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topic那換成日本版本月主題商品變了那我們再來看法文版也是一樣本月主題商品都是這一些再來看韓文版也是這樣子"},{"start":2645.765,"end":2670.064,"text":"那我們就拉回來我這日本朋友就問我就說奇怪中文版英文版來我們看一下中文版首頁中文版月刊這一些典藏佛經正知道了英文版也是一樣典藏佛經那我們看日文版片蛋糕是日本人比較愛吃蛋糕還是故宮覺得說日本人"},{"start":2671.215,"end":2700.332,"text":"消費力而且這個蛋糕喔我們再點進去他不能訂他說貨到才會通知你所以他是一個沒有上架的商品跟委員報告的確故宮的網站在即時性我們在即時性上面是有改進的空間的確對但是怎麼會有差別待遇因為日本朋友問我我真的第一時間回答不出來我就說我來了解一下我也實際去操作這個是我早上請同仁在操作的畫面"},{"start":2701.403,"end":2721.917,"text":"所以部長欸院長我今天提出來只是講是說當網站沒有那麼的螺絲沒有那麼酸緊精緻度連這個部分都會有出錯的時候我們真的很難是說你之後接下來數位前瞻還有第5期希望要再編2700萬我們該不該支持因為那個數位網站的話我們是我要幫你這個部分的話我們會會會所以這是廠商的責任我們的責任"},{"start":2730.595,"end":2731.436,"text":"我覺得你這樣解釋越糟喔請謹慎"},{"start":2746.545,"end":2766.394,"text":"因為這樣意思日本的遊客就覺得是說我們怎樣日本人比較不愛文物愛吃愛蛋糕所以你給中文版你給英文版你給法文版都是我們故宮的文物然後結果到給日本的時候你這樣有沒有歧視的意味啊是日本朋友問我所以說我在講是說我要來了解"},{"start":2767.054,"end":2786.748,"text":"所以我覺得沒有解釋還好我就說姑且啊這可能是程式錯誤廠商沒有更正趕快更正我們輸了但如果說你講是說這是刻意為之這樣就不對囉對故宮的輸了我就是往這樣這不是刻意為之吧對沒有我們不是刻意為之來謝謝院長那趕快改進好不好是來院長另外部分其實比較重要是明年是故宮百年"},{"start":2787.248,"end":2815.803,"text":"那我們也知道是說我們有文物百選及其故事要到捷克首展我先簡單說明一下捷克它其實是一個重要的國家第一它是歐洲國家歐盟國家第二1000萬的人口但是它的觀光旅次有多少在去年2200萬它的觀光旅客是它本國人口的兩倍那換言之很多歐洲歐美旅客會喜歡選擇捷克去觀光啊"},{"start":2816.583,"end":2841.532,"text":"我們的這個百年的這個競選展目前我們要前往明年9月到12月對不對我覺得這是一個重要大事因為翠玉白菜清明上河圖這些重要文物也都會前往嘛那我們現在是不是聽說因為之前他們的眾議院以及參議院院長也都有來我們的中華民國來訪問那我們現在是不是有計劃也要邀請我們的立法院院長或副院長前往"},{"start":2842.445,"end":2870.316,"text":"昨天我有跟捷克在台的代表見面他說據他了解的話就是捷方已經邀請韓國瑜院長就是說他們已經表達這樣的一個...捷方邀請韓國瑜院長我覺得這很有意義喔因為他有可能就變成是韓國瑜院長因為到目前為止他上任都還沒有出國訪問嘛那當然有沒有可能變成是明年不一定但至少以韓國瑜院長的高度還有就是捷克現在相對跟我們中華民國的關係良好"},{"start":2870.896,"end":2882.008,"text":"有沒有可能韓國瑜院長也到他們的國會去做一個演講因為他的參議院議長或是眾議院議長來也都有演講嘛是不是我們也是共同努力啊那還有"},{"start":2888.174,"end":2913.996,"text":"因為我們的文物翠玉白菜清明上河圖這個東西我們一講連國人可能都不一定有親眼看過那這個一講大家都知道的我相信歐美的人士也都很清楚這個文物的價值所以這是不是應該要利用這個機會把國際的民生或者是說讓觀光相關的人士也都一起去參觀所以這是不是應該不只是故宮單打獨鬥"},{"start":2915.417,"end":2936.994,"text":"觀光部．交通部觀光署．外交部是不是一起過來努力?院長您覺得呢?哪一位政委?使者政委這邊使者政委 我們前文化部長對對對那他已經有在做規劃了是不是?他有在跟故宮 要故宮去報告 所以我們會去處理 會去規劃他什麼時候要故宮報告?"},{"start":2942.735,"end":2959.973,"text":"我們議會院長已經第一次報告過了但是只是報告那個展覽的內容對 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frequency的ID這個區塊在各個層面跟各個區塊裡面的一個進度那也請故宮會後我會跟你們所知也就是說目前你們在這個區塊大概做到一個什麼樣子的進度那工程的部分我想剛才我們"},{"start":4144.336,"end":4144.837,"text":"謝謝林倩琦委員接下來我們有請陳培鈺委員"},{"start":4172.227,"end":4174.127,"text":"好謝謝主席那有請院長好我們有請院長好院長早安我們有很多問題想跟你討論來下一頁在今年的3月7號當時故宮的業務報告裡面我就跟院長討論了關於兒童暨青年事務推動諮詢會的進度當時院長你笑了"},{"start":4199.032,"end":4220.325,"text":"當時我提醒院長只有研究生跟大學生其實代表性不足而且兒少的聲音不應該只有研究生跟大學生我們目前在最近度我們看到增加兩名高中生這個部分我要先給予肯定可是詳細的細節我想要再跟院長多加討論我想問一下目前這些學生代表所產生的方法是什麼"},{"start":4220.905,"end":4225.636,"text":"那還有就是他們開會的頻率還有就是他們可以參與到什麼樣層級的會議參與到什麼樣層級的討論這個部分我想要請院長說明一下"},{"start":4232.301,"end":4256.186,"text":"當然就是執行會的話是一個例會那例會的話討論的話就是對故宮的一些建議那當然就是說我們也有辦理因為不是只有這樣的一個活動而是我們有青少年大使有校園大使那這些培訓活動的話他們會回到學校裡面去辦一些活動那相關的資料的話我想我們可以送給委員這邊"},{"start":4259.473,"end":4284.41,"text":"親資會跟校園大使基本上是兩回事喔因為親資會原本的設定是希望故宮的很多事情如果他的牽扯層面是跟更多社會大眾有關我們可以透過親資會去聽到這些兒少代表的聲音跟透過你們的培力工作方或是透過相關演習進入校園推廣故宮的藝文活動這是兩回事我要問的是親資會組成方法招募的方法還有目前開會的狀況"},{"start":4287.492,"end":4289.783,"text":"還是我們請你們的同仁回答好了好不好"},{"start":4291.179,"end":4316.835,"text":"跟委員說一個說明親子會的部分的委員的部分因為有很多的一些青少年的部分從兒童因為北院的部分從兒少兒童的部分開始就有做不同的一些教育推廣活動所以在這個期間的部分有很多的名單的部分那我們會請我們展幅處的同仁這邊做一些推薦的部分他如果說相對的對於這一些藝文的部分有一些"},{"start":4317.375,"end":4329.342,"text":"而吸引力的部分他們就會列入這個名單裡面來進行那所以我們也會按照這樣的方式去處理這個部分的學生的參與的部分這個是甄選的方法那他們開會的頻率跟開會的內容跟成績可以到什麼樣的成績開會的頻率的話原則上我們是一年兩次可是我們的開會的頻率會依照我們的需求的部分會不斷的一個滾動式的修正"},{"start":4343.811,"end":4359.361,"text":"從3月到現在目前你們給我們的名單上這9名同學已經開過會了嗎他們已經開過第一次的會議然後另外的話我們有關一些展覽的部分或者是教育推廣的活動有關於青少年的部分我們都會邀請他們來參與那他們的部分會依照他們實際喜愛的狀況跟他們的出勤的有需求的部分他們會來參與的部分有時候會來看展覽有時候會參與教育推廣活動"},{"start":4368.907,"end":4391.886,"text":"你又岔題了啦 你又岔題 我要問的是親子會 你們不要一直扯到活動因為看起來你們對親子會的認定跟這個定位還是搞不清楚推廣活動是另外一回事 但是親子會如何從他們參與你們的活動提供給你們在策展方面的意見 在企劃方面的意見因為從前面好幾位委員都問到故宮參觀的人次一直都沒有上升 而且相關的狀況越來越不好"},{"start":4392.566,"end":4409.236,"text":"如果兒少確實是一個我們未來要服務的重點對象那請聽他們的聲音看見他們的需求或是理解他們對故宮的想像因為完全是不同世代我相信他們親自會所能夠提出來的聲音跟代表性絕對可以讓你們作為參考甚至我剛聽到你們說選出來的方法是透過已經來參加故宮活動的兒少裡面然後你們同仁去看記得不錯記得不錯然後就問他有沒有意願這個我覺得聽起來有點"},{"start":4420.203,"end":4443.095,"text":"怪怪的我不知道你自己感覺如何為什麼會說怪怪的你覺得呢跟委員做一個說明這個第4屆的部分其實他們已經參加過會議了親資會的部分他已經召開過會議了那我們也是希望能藉由不同的推廣活動讓他們更加的了解還是沒有回答我的問題可是今天主席絕對不會給我們超時那我要講我要講我之前主席不好意思"},{"start":4443.855,"end":4458.241,"text":"之前我一直跟院長討論親子會它的重點意義是什麼看起來故宮還是沒有記得我再念一次CRC的兒少表意權裡面提到兒少擁有就影響其本身之所有事物可以自由表達他的意見的權利"},{"start":4459.581,"end":4474.039,"text":"當然這並不是只是單純的讓兒少參與而已更重要的是要讓不同年齡層不同境遇的兒少都能夠以適當的形式表達自己的意見同時政府機關人員也都應該要認真對待並積極的予以聆聽"},{"start":4478.695,"end":4506.89,"text":"這個是我要主張的我跟委員報告因為我們談論說那個到底什麼層級的話基本上來講的話親自會開會的時候院長跟兩位副院長跟相關的所有的那個主管都在場關鍵不是等一下等一下院長你又搞錯我的意思關鍵不是誰跟他們開會而是他們到底可以對故宮裡面什麼樣的事情表達他們的看法跟想像他們對故宮的所有事情的話我們都盡量要求他們可以提供他們自己的看法"},{"start":4507.31,"end":4530.109,"text":"但是你還是沒有回答我例如說他們已經開過一次會他們講了什麼或者是你們規劃他們要做什麼事情我花了快6分鐘的時間讓故宮可以好好回答這個問題我還有別的題目但是我相信在場人應該都聽得出來我所主張的兒少表意權而且這不是我主張這是聯合國台灣兒童人權公約國內法制化之後我們台灣所有主管機關都必須要積極面對的問題"},{"start":4532.651,"end":4550.876,"text":"但是我一直在說我們把兒少邀請進故宮的委員會諮詢委員會有一個很重要的關鍵就是假設未來的觀眾群就是他們而他們現在如果沒有機會透過各種管道認識故宮那我們如何能夠期待故宮未來參觀的人次能夠逐漸提升"},{"start":4551.616,"end":4576.401,"text":"那我都不要去談少子化的議題我要講的是我認為故宮在這件事情上的態度真的是相對消極那不管是一年兩次會三次會四次會或者是開會的成績甚至招募的方法我覺得剛剛讓故宮這樣回答我聽起來都還有全面檢討的可能性也要拜託院長跟相關的幕僚要積極檢討我可以進入下一題嗎那這個部分我會持續追蹤好謝謝院長接下來我要談故宮的競爭力我們來看一下相關數字"},{"start":4581.192,"end":4601.067,"text":"把故宮的南院跟北院加起來都還輸台灣其他前三名的博物館那更不要講在疫情後所有的相關博物館的人數都上升我之前就已經跟院長舉過一個例子當時我就已經預告說齊美博物館他們即將舉行的那個拉斐爾道範古的這個展"},{"start":4602.028,"end":4615.412,"text":"一定會帶動非常多人潮因為光是網路上的賣票就已經不得了了後來我們實際去把相關數字調出來從5月開始他們從每個月4月的3萬多4萬多從5月開始一策展到13萬6月15萬7月16萬8月來到19萬"},{"start":4619.654,"end":4634.984,"text":"我認為故宮應該有更強的策展能力我當然知道故宮現在研究的量能或者是相關的經費跟預算可能都有一些不足的部分但是故宮企劃的能力應該可以更強這個部分院長你怎麼看"},{"start":4636.487,"end":4658.56,"text":"基本上來講的話我自己個人覺得故宮這兩年來的展覽辦得非常好那當然就是沒有錯就是說一個焦點的展覽的話可以吸引到更多的群眾譬如說像那個齊美的話是有跟英國National Gallery那高美館的話是有跟TED就是說有一個國外的重要展覽的話基本上來講對國內的感知是有一些新的"},{"start":4662.282,"end":4686.034,"text":"你們自己已經測了一個大美不言然後也謝謝故宮的導覽帶我們去看了我們來看大美不言下一頁故宮這個大展院長你認為它完全符合你剛剛講的國際重要企劃策展而且呢這個展我們去看了我們發現例如說以這張照片這個是在講書證我們發現不是只有法國來的書證其實還有故宮自己典藏的"},{"start":4686.474,"end":4703.228,"text":"那兩邊做了很好的呼應跟契合我個人認為這個展不僅光線設計好展示櫃設計的也好中外文物相互呼應古今展品對照但是我們後來聽了故宮的同仁跟我們分享這裡面有非常多法國人的idea在裡頭那我覺得有這樣的交流合作真的很好"},{"start":4704.309,"end":4727.299,"text":"院長如同你剛剛說的如果有主題有國際的量能進來我們可以吸引到更多的人那院長你自己期待這個大美不言可以為故宮帶來什麼樣的注意在人次參觀人次上參觀人數上面的話其實在故宮少有排隊的人潮除了翠白菜肉形石的話這個展覽是排隊的要抽那個號碼牌"},{"start":4729.88,"end":4753.009,"text":"我覺得這個部分要給同仁鼓勵好不好院長你要不要公開給你的同仁在這個議題上的努力這個企劃上的努力當然我剛剛已經一直講過了就是這兩年的話這兩年當然是我認後認前的話我不敢批評這兩年的話災難真的做得很好同仁在策展方面非常用心那如果他們策展很用心可是人次卻起不來會不會是我們相關宣傳有一些困境需要共同去面對"},{"start":4754.331,"end":4754.371,"text":"對﹖我們﹖我們﹖"},{"start":4772.937,"end":4774.618,"text":"謝謝主席有請蕭院長有請蕭院長"},{"start":4806.038,"end":4814.222,"text":"國際觀光客來到故宮我們其實除了有助於台灣的這個旅遊經濟的觀光效益之外其實也要讓世界看到台灣對文化資產的維護跟保存彰顯我國的文化軟實力"},{"start":4830.53,"end":4851.405,"text":"所以任何故宮所管理的文物不管是管藏或者是寄存我們同樣都要愛護跟重視它在人類文明史上的價值那文物的價值是一回事那我國中央部會公開向人民負責的態度又是一回事在民主法治的台灣兩者互相獨立而且一樣重要"},{"start":4855.147,"end":4880.146,"text":"這個會期是預算會期所以我要請蕭院長待會你務必要拿回負責任的態度面對納稅人說清楚故宮跟既存的私人文物特別是超過半世紀紙幣一甲子的板橋林家雙方故宮跟板橋林家雙方到底是有什麼樣的權利跟義務首先請院長看這張表"},{"start":4881.347,"end":4898.186,"text":"為什麼所有來故宮寄存的文物就板橋林家的待遇最優惠寄存期滿還有緩衝期緩衝期滿了還要請全民掏腰包幫他們看管文物都不用像中華電信依據新制的作業要點來洽談續存的合約"},{"start":4900.729,"end":4929.418,"text":"人家清水皇家喔就連要捐贈文物給故宮都要得依新制的作業要點來辦理審查所以現在故宮之所以好不容易擁有一個相對完善合理的所謂的文物寄存的新制度就是在吳密茶院長的任內推動改革的結果改革的核心是什麼改革的核心就是這個寄存制度應該是國家協助私人保護這個文物的制度"},{"start":4929.858,"end":4952.624,"text":"那當私人文物依照文化資產保存法指定為國寶或者是重要文物那它卻無力保存的時候那國家有義務來提供庫房資源來協助那板橋0加906件文物裡頭每一件都是依照文化資產保存法指定的國寶或重要文物嗎"},{"start":4953.404,"end":4968.66,"text":"議員．"},{"start":4968.76,"end":4986.288,"text":"我們的故宮那所謂的這個不管是費用問題或怎麼樣問題這個合理性在哪裡讓我們繼續來探討那如果板橋林家不需要用遵守所謂的新制這個產品徵集作業要點的規範那全國人民到底要負擔多少"},{"start":4987.048,"end":4987.088,"text":"委員會議員委員會"},{"start":5003.786,"end":5028.499,"text":"新制規定計存者應該依據文物計存審查後訂出來的保險價值購買藝術品的中和保險而且故宮是要列為所謂的共同被保險人那院長不用遵守新制的板橋0加906件文物又任何一件出狀況那是不是要叫全民買單以上問院長你幫我回答一下"},{"start":5029.766,"end":5040.554,"text":"板橋林家這個寄存案當然沒有錯他很特殊特殊的原因就是因為他是故宮最早的一個寄存案然後歷經的幾任的院長那當初他們在寄存的時候他們是兼了100萬元100萬元的話那時候我記得我那時候等一下我會跟你探討這個100萬你先說為什麼他不遵守新制他為什麼不遵守新制啊"},{"start":5055.225,"end":5068.345,"text":"那為什麼其他的我說像清水皇家也好中華電信也好要繼續在故宮寄存但都有依照我們所謂的新的規定辦法來重新簽約那為什麼板橋林家不用"},{"start":5070.473,"end":5087.345,"text":"原來最早原始寄存者的話他是一個人但是一個人的話他原來是希望這個文物永久留在故宮所以他還有一個但書就是說如果以後故宮文物返還大陸的話他的東西還是要留在台灣"},{"start":5088.346,"end":5097.909,"text":"所以基本上來講的話他是以一種所謂的捐贈的心態去那現在可以辦理捐贈現在的話就是因為一家現在一個代表人變成6個代表人"},{"start":5108.133,"end":5116.339,"text":"我們有在想辦法因為未來的故宮寄存的概念的話是以捐贈為原則我知道可是因為六個代表的話沒有辦法有一致的意見"},{"start":5126.814,"end":5150.684,"text":"這個你要處理啊不能因為這樣子我們有在處理我們有在處理好那你剛剛提到一百萬板橋這個謎樣的一百萬現在支息後變成一百一十八萬這個用途是什麼這等一下我們再來探討可是你看這個投影片上我們看臺北車站的置物櫃就好一個小時二十塊來計算如果民眾把私人物品寄放在這裡一年大約20萬就可以買一棟房子"},{"start":5152.145,"end":5154.608,"text":"你不要說那個時候嘛可是現在還是100萬啊現在還是100萬啊知喜後現在是118萬啊當初的100萬現在有增值嗎我們現在還是拿到現鈔是100萬啊119萬多"},{"start":5167.523,"end":5173.908,"text":"我跟你說119萬對啊現在的119萬可以幹嘛跟委員報告跟委員報告那個經費的話我們是拿在文路修復拿來做一些一些情況之後他自行累積的還是超過那個錢我就說嘛這個如果我們跟全民的納稅人去交代都交代不過去啦你看嘛我就說跟台北車站的置物櫃來比就好如果用這樣子來算啦你的118萬"},{"start":5193.562,"end":5221.142,"text":"計存了55年從1969年我出生那一年開始計存到現在我們等於一年平均只付了差不多兩萬元所以我覺得這個其實等於是我們故宮的庫房比臺北車站的置物櫃還便宜跟委員報告文物的價值並不是說用這個來算因為這些文物的價值不是用這個來算可是我們故宮的庫房包括我們的濕度我們的整個那個要花多少錢來算"},{"start":5222.483,"end":5222.724,"text":"要花多少來建置﹖"},{"start":5233.612,"end":5250.896,"text":"那好那為什麼說剛剛我就說100萬這個為什麼是那麼謎一樣因為他真的用途不明你們跟我的說明也都今天倒倒今年2月故宮送交立法院的書面報告是寫說板橋林家放在故宮的100萬是專門用來維護他們的寄存的私人文物是這樣講"},{"start":5255.077,"end":5270.866,"text":"今年5月您和我本辦的文件跟說這一百萬是故宮列於專戶存放一直用來收購文物用途未任意動之那所以未來將來也不會隨著板橋鄰家如果他們要取回這個私人文物會一併領回對吧"},{"start":5273.349,"end":5281.051,"text":"亂七八糟你講話你以為說這是要來維護他們的私人文物真的要說這個東西我不會聽到那個100萬的話我的水電我的空調費用的話是一個批次算的我不太可能去跟那個什麼台電說裡面的話大概2萬塊我用這筆來出所以他大概是一個水庫的概念你的回答再再證明了再再證明了我們幾乎是無常在保存板橋林家的文物"},{"start":5302.421,"end":5309.424,"text":"的私人文物那你拿所謂的那所謂的100萬請故宮當管家是這個對價關係嗎還是說我們純然就是所謂的無償無償來保管所以我覺得這個其實你因為無償對價關係對價關係的話基本上是這樣因為原來的記償的時候並沒有這些規定但是"},{"start":5329.873,"end":5335.94,"text":"規定是之後的但是要與時俱進嘛與時俱進是一種講法另外的話法律不溯及既往那當然也是另外一種不溯及既往阿人家其他其他的我說什麼清水皇家中華電信他也過去就拿清楚阿反正你對於板橋林家的特殊這個部分我一定追究到底你要給我說明清楚"},{"start":5350.916,"end":5378.998,"text":"因為在這批展覽這批東西的話在故宮展覽有展覽的近百次所以基本上來講的話歷次的展覽都會拿出來展所以並不是說那一切要依法治走依法治走嘛依照所謂的文物保存文物資產保存條例來認定說它是國寶或是古物對不對?是不是?他是不是真的不懂怎麼有辦法他也沒有規定說一定是國寶或重要古物才能寄存其實也沒有"},{"start":5379.478,"end":5396.268,"text":"現在新法是這樣你要看清楚喔新法沒有他只是講文化資產價值他沒有講對文化資產價值阿對文化資產價值阿就依照這個文化資產保存法來認定文化價值阿有國保有重要古物有一般古物基本上來講的話他就算進了故宮一般古物的話他也具有文資價值"},{"start":5397.694,"end":5424.908,"text":"院長私人文物進來寄存這個程序我覺得明明有更好更完備的所謂的藏品徵集作業要點可以依循我覺得你就偏偏要開後門採取所謂不存在毫無章法的所謂的救治反正時間的關係對於板橋私人文物寄存的正當性您今天的回答還是說不出一個所以然所以我覺得這個部分再請用書面跟本席說清楚"},{"start":5426.929,"end":5436.814,"text":"也要跟全院的委員交代清楚。對。好,謝謝林英錦委員。接下來我們有請陳秀寶委員。謝主席,請蕭院長。有請蕭院長。"},{"start":5449.452,"end":5467.141,"text":"委員長 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實我們如果有可能融入的話我們會融入在展覽那另外的話推廣教育活動或是推廣教育的展示這個部分的話我們來研究謝謝謝謝謝謝院長那最後就是故宮南院的規劃問題現在故宮南院的總面積是70公頃包含博物區大概是20公頃園區50公頃"},{"start":11293.443,"end":11315.088,"text":"總地板是38333平方公尺就算加上國保文物修復展示館22641平方公尺也才6萬多平方公尺只佔博物館區的20公頃的小部分院長北部的院區大約是21公頃但是總樓地板面積就有58000看看北院就會知道說南院的非常空曠這是不合理的規劃所以"},{"start":11316.488,"end":11332.733,"text":"我還是希望院長能夠思考一下故宮南院未來整個園區的規劃增加更多的展場跟典藏空間讓故宮南院可以成為中南部的真正意義的大型博物館好不好OK我們努力因為這會牽涉到一個參觀的因素的問題謝謝陳冠廷委員的質詢那今天院長先請回"},{"start":11343.08,"end":11372.159,"text":"好我們今天登記質詢的委員都已經發言完畢另有吳春城委員提出書面的質詢那關於今天會議做成一個如下的決定報告及詢答完畢委員所提書面質詢或相關資料列入記錄並刊登公報對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分請相關機關盡速以書面答覆報告委員會今天議程處理完畢現在散會謝謝各位"},{"start":11373.08,"end":11396.613,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":11408.302,"end":11425.998,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":11463.576,"end":11463.596,"text":"來過了。"},{"start":11476.669,"end":11478.414,"text":"委員會委員會"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}