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GDP來去做一個計算可能是要連中時期大樂透才有辦法中獎的一個機率怎麼會突然發生在這單一事件上面而禮拜三第一時間不管是部長還沒有出來說明或是次長的說明都是讓國人感到不清不楚沒有釐清真相我想重點在於是"},{"start":2160.313,"end":2176.715,"text":"透過每一次辦的活動照理講應該是要幫政府加分應該是要讓人民能夠更信賴政府但沒想到透過這樣的一個事件之後可能國人會更加的不相信而如果說真的讓國人不相信的話那我請教"},{"start":2177.536,"end":2203.51,"text":"當政府口口聲聲信誓旦旦講說要打詐騙防詐騙要做打擊詐騙的一個主要的一個推手的時候我們國人又怎麼能夠信賴也無怪乎今天等一下我們也會做明年預算的一個討論而明年預算討論有非常大的一個成長都是在打詐的一個經費裡面請卓院長正視這件事情請財政部門好好向國人說明清楚政府不能帶頭當詐騙集團謝謝"},{"start":2211.089,"end":2214.513,"text":"謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言。接下來請登記第三位,林佩祥委員發言。"},{"start":2229.417,"end":2255.926,"text":"主席、各位同仁環保是我們全球的共識但是我認為我們中央政府似乎做得還不夠應該要主動採取行動而不是一昧的去遵守過去的法規不管是節能減碳也好還是在防止海上污染有關海事方面也好前天10月30號在野柳的玉州霍倫擱淺"},{"start":2257.233,"end":2280.208,"text":"那這件事情讓我們本席覺得很納悶的是玉州貨輪在10月14號進基隆港的時候就已經撞倒一個橋式起重機那要再離開的時候又特地提早離開導致它在野柳外海擱淺那我必須想請問說現在整個清理的狀況是如何是否有漏油污染的情況而"},{"start":2282.65,"end":2300.403,"text":"傳東是否有務實的做出所謂的P&I也就是有保所謂的傳東責任險如果有的話請問他到底是到底保了多少百分比的責任險這些都是很重要的因為這些會直接關係到後面海上污染的費用承擔"},{"start":2301.923,"end":2323.26,"text":"而最後最重要的是否後面有書面承諾來善盡後續的責任。如果有或是沒有,我都建議留置目前的船長跟輪機長來協助調查,因為船長既然已經棄船來求得生存的時候,那或許他也會採取不負責任的態度。"},{"start":2323.82,"end":2350.92,"text":"而過去在今年在本席查的資料之中就已經有高達8艘以上的貨輪、郵輪因為颱風的原因而沒有停泊在港裡面不管是KEDA、紅聖88號、SOFIA、ARIANA、BASIA、ALANO、濟南、Dolphin這8艘船包括我們剛剛談的玉洲全部都是特別在颱風來臨之前提早離港"},{"start":2352.181,"end":2379.44,"text":"那本席就非常好奇為什麼明知道颱風來的時候還要特別提早離港呢這值得我們交通部來展開全面的調查而且我也想請問這些已經擱淺的船是否都有保有所謂的船東責任險也就是國際公約所規定的P&I如果說有的話到底他是多少百分比如果百分比太低的話誰來負責他們所造成的海上污染舉例"},{"start":2380.121,"end":2380.342,"text":"KETA"},{"start":2383.571,"end":2411.229,"text":"今年8月的時候曾經把32個貨櫃因為擱淺原因而倒置海中導致大幅度的污染在臺南外海而包括不管是蚵仔還是其他的海鮮作物大幅度的污染那請問誰來負責後面的責任?另外一邊是臺東的Sofia也是遇到一樣的問題那甚至沒有簽PNI所以在這邊本席見請行政院好好調查"},{"start":2416.267,"end":2437.997,"text":"謝謝林佩祥委員接下來請登記第4號吳宗憲委員發言謝謝主席"},{"start":2439.315,"end":2462.845,"text":"我今天要討論思考的是一個非常嚴重的事情也就是說這次大法官真的捅了一個大樓子了這些沒有實務經驗的大法官今天真的給社會製造非常大的問題自從9月憲法法庭對於死刑判決憲判出來之後我真的很煩惱因為他們製造了一個問題就是這些死刑犯可能很快就會回歸到社會"},{"start":2463.545,"end":2490.543,"text":"以下我說四個分別的可能性這四個個別都會造成死刑犯會放回回歸社會第一個無法可以羈押因為這些死刑犯其實他們在監獄裡面關了非常久他們回歸到普通法院審理非常上述成功之後回到普通法院審理他們都是用無罪推定所以這些人會被認定是無罪之人"},{"start":2491.303,"end":2510.106,"text":"那他們你要羈押他根本不符合我國現行的羈押要件我再次說明大法官搞不清楚羈押要件是什麼他們根本不符合我國刑事訴訟法目前的羈押要件所以有非常多人可能在回歸到普通法案審理的時候就放出來"},{"start":2511.158,"end":2523.974,"text":"二、即便進入到審理之後﹐羈押期間也只有15個月﹐即使法官敢違法裁定羈押﹐結果也只有15個月可以押﹐這個審得完嗎?"},{"start":2526.192,"end":2550.92,"text":"一個這麼重大的案子只有15個月審理得完嗎?更何況大法官要求都要送精神鑑定一次鑑定、兩次鑑定鑑定到底行為時有沒有精神狀況問題、審理時有沒有有沒有執行時候有沒有精神狀況問題全部都要請問15個月來得及嗎?再來現行的羈押假釋我們適用的是"},{"start":2552.915,"end":2557.636,"text":"只要關15年就可以申請假釋因為是以行為時的羈押"},{"start":2559.195,"end":2559.875,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":2583.866,"end":2611.24,"text":"他們雖然沒有辦法依照現行法折抵刑期但是一定會有非常多的人權團體出來要求既然限制了自由就應該可以折抵刑期也就是說這些死刑犯回到法院審理之後將來如果判無期徒刑幾乎馬上就可以申請假釋出來我想這段時間兩個月了我一直問法務部司法院要怎麼解決這個問題但是到現在完全都沒有聽到任何解決的方式"},{"start":2612.02,"end":2632.263,"text":"大法官讓死刑無法實行讓國會無法監督請大家以蒼生為念救救這個社會不要再這樣下去了謝謝謝謝吳宗憲委員的發言接下來請登記第5號麥玉珍委員發言"},{"start":2647.691,"end":2659.264,"text":"主席好,各位親愛的家人,大家早安。現在臺灣正在面臨依托米子新型合成藥物的嚴峻挑戰。這種物質被稱為僵屍藥物"},{"start":2663.929,"end":2687.337,"text":"通過在醫院當作麻醉劑但是現在已經進入到我們的身邊主要是通過電子煙對公共安全造成嚴重的風險只要少量吸入伊伊托米子就會引起嚴重的副作用會出現無法控制"},{"start":2687.977,"end":2689.699,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．第11屆第2會期第7次會議"},{"start":2712.303,"end":2728.331,"text":"卻以還需要召集專家審議為由才可以定定預值標準根本是草菅人命不知民間疾苦這個標準一天不定出來"},{"start":2729.424,"end":2746.476,"text":"這些吸毒的駕駛犯罪者就一天不會減少,更不會得到懲罰。我們已經看到有兩位優秀的警察同仁被毒蟲衝撞性質,從今年至10月為止,"},{"start":2753.115,"end":2771.33,"text":"行事局已經查獲了稀釋這個毒品的毒價案已經超過200多件這凸顯了立即採選行動的必要性呼應法務部及衛福部"},{"start":2772.988,"end":2788.116,"text":"衛生服務部負起責任,不要再讓我們國民活在恐慌中,也不要讓我們優秀的警員犧牲了,捍衛我們國民安全,重視嚴謹生命。謝謝大家。"},{"start":2799.161,"end":2801.353,"text":"登記國是論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢。"},{"start":5393.752,"end":5410.754,"text":"報告委員會,我們現在開始開會。請秘書長報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員57人,已足法定人數。我們現在開會進行報告四下。請秘書長宣讀第二會期第6次會議意思錄。"},{"start":5413.16,"end":5440.098,"text":"宣讀立法院第11屆第2會期第6次會議．事由．時間,中華民國113年10月25日上午9時至9時93分,10時至11時37分,10月29日上午9時至12時12分,下午2時30分至5時21分,地點、本院議場、出席委員、蔡委員、議員等113年列席官員,行政院院長卓榮泰,主席院長韓國瑜,報告事項,第一案宣讀編院第11屆第2會期第5次會議．事由．"},{"start":5442.299,"end":5459.507,"text":"決定、確定、第二次、二十、二十三、二十四、二十六次、三十三、三十五次、四十六次、四十八次、五十三、五十五、五十六、五十八次、六十四、六十六次、九十六、九十八次、二十五案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會第21、22、23、34、47、54、57案"},{"start":5463.949,"end":5483.335,"text":"均決定經獲得與相關提案並且協商。第六事務案決定退為程序委員會重新提出。第97案決定並114年度中央政府總預算案處理。第46至255案為交易及無鬧委員會等所提出報告案質詢事項。"},{"start":5485.407,"end":5510.761,"text":"假行政院檔案部分基建與本院委員執行部分事件,討論事項第一案決議,會議案不通過,第二案決議修正通過,第三至五案均決議交互等同協商,第六、七案均決議協商後再行處理,第八、九案決議另定其處理,行政院院長提出賴清德政府能源配備,"},{"start":5511.641,"end":5529.911,"text":"及電價政策專案報告並答覆質詢。決定一、將各委員發言紀錄及書面答覆含送行政院。請就位答覆部分一、書面答覆。二、已提出書面質詢。三、未登載公報則一律補刊。其他事項一、13年10月"},{"start":5531.812,"end":5554.153,"text":"二十四日朝野黨團協商時結論事項。二、本次會議事自曾報告事項、質詢事項、針對討論事項,照台灣民眾黨團及國民黨黨團提議通過,其予以均照原編擬議程草案處理。三、國民黨黨團提議抽出經報讀事案,均予以通過宣讀完畢。"},{"start":5555.339,"end":5579.523,"text":"報告委員會針對第二會期第6次會議一、四、六並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處。我們現在作以下決定。第二會期第6次會議一、四、六。確定。請宣讀第二案。第二案。本院委員王宏偉等隨選人離去。再生能源發展條例第三條條文修正草案請審議案。程序委員會見。擬請委員會加入基建委員會審查。宣讀完畢。務以通過下一案。"},{"start":5580.168,"end":5604.105,"text":"第三案、本院委員李昆澤等30人凝聚、個人資料保護法第12條及第19條條文修正常案請審議案。程序委員會見、逆境委員會交、經濟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。五一通過下議案。第四案、本院委員李昆澤等25人凝聚、鐵路法第56條至5條文修正常案請審議案。程序委員會見、逆境委員會交、交通委員會審查。宣讀完畢。五一通過下議案。"},{"start":5604.805,"end":5627.374,"text":"五、本院委員李昆澤等25人凝聚立法院組織法第5條條文修正裁判請選一案。陳修仁會見,您請用回交司法及法制委員會審查。宣讀完畢五、本院委員李昆澤等26人凝聚立法院組織法第19條條文修正裁判請選一案。陳修仁會見,您請用回交司法及法制委員會審查。宣讀完畢五、本院委員李昆澤等26人凝聚立法院組織法第19條條文修正裁判請選一案。陳修仁會見,您請用回交司法及法制委員會審查。宣讀完畢五、本院委"},{"start":5628.354,"end":5654.111,"text":"第7案）本院委員李昆澤等26人理據職業安全衛生法第39條及第49條條文修正常案請審議案。陳修緣會見議員會交社會福利及外商環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下議案。第8案）本院委員徐富奎等17人理據教育基本法第2條條文修正常案請審議案。陳修緣會見議員會交教育及文化委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通告下議案。"},{"start":5654.511,"end":5677.516,"text":"第9案、本院委員徐富奎等17人離聚、行政院組織法第3條條文修正常勤水銀案、程序委員會間、理情會教育司法及法治委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無疑通過下案。第10案、本院委員徐富奎等17人離聚、運動部組織法常勤水銀案、程序委員會間、理情會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯務委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無疑通過下案。"},{"start":5677.896,"end":5700.801,"text":"第11案本院委員凌岳勤等19人離去青年基本法草案請審議案陳旭元會監、聶勤會教教育及網絡委員會審查宣傳完畢。無疑通過下一案第12案本院委員凌岳勤等19人離去社會救助法不翻條文修正草案請審議案陳旭元會監、聶勤會教社會福利及生活經文會審查宣傳完畢。無疑通過下一案"},{"start":5701.221,"end":5710.21,"text":"第13案本院委員陳廷飛等16人離聚,促進優勝畜牧學生養殖推動條例草案新審議案。陳訓委員會見,您請回交經濟委員會審查。宣傳完畢。第14案本院委員陳廷飛等16人離聚,新經濟移民法草案新審議案。"},{"start":5718.738,"end":5719.119,"text":"衛通過下案衛通過下案"},{"start":5737.58,"end":5746.269,"text":"第16案）本議務委員陳立飛等16人理據《刑事訴訟法》第449條及第451條之一條維修正常案請選案。陳選委員會間,您請會交司法及法律委員會審查。宣傳完畢。委員通過下案。"},{"start":5753.956,"end":5777.639,"text":"第17案）北郵委員羅志祥等18日凝聚毒品危害防治條例部分條文修正草菁水銀案）前續委員會見議請會交司法及法治委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異通過下議案。第18案）北郵委員羅志祥等16日凝聚國家通訊傳播委員會主政法第16條條文修正草菁水銀案）前續委員會見議請會交司法及法治交通兩委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":5778.26,"end":5792.135,"text":"報告院會報告事項第18案,現有國民黨黨團提禁副二讀與相關提案並案協商。請問院會有無異議、滅議本案禁副二讀與相關提案禁副協商。下一案"},{"start":5792.83,"end":5816.457,"text":"第19案（本委員羅志祥等17人離去,陰害防治法第26條條文修正草情水案,程序委員會見,你請回交省衛福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣言完畢。二、本委員楊耀等25人離去,臺灣地區大陸地區人民關係條例第80條之一條文修正草情水案,程序委員會見,你請回交內政委員會審查。宣言完畢。"},{"start":5817.777,"end":5842.434,"text":"第二十一案本院委員陽躍等二十四人離聚社會救世法第十六條條文修正草原清水一案陳修園會見你請回交社會福利及或相關禁聞會審查。宣布完畢。第二十二案本院委員陽躍等二十五人離聚勞工保險條例第六十六條及第六十九條條文修正草原清水一案陳修園會見你請回交社會福利及或相關禁聞會審查。宣布完畢。"},{"start":5843.695,"end":5869.95,"text":"第二十三案本委員、楊耀等二十四人離聚老人福利法第43條及第44條維修正常勞勤水恩財修委員會見理事院會長、社會福利及優先環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第二十四案本委員、楊耀等二十五人離聚就業保險法第14條條維修正常勞勤水恩財修委員會見理事院會長、社會福利及優先環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。二、通過下議案"},{"start":5870.51,"end":5895.632,"text":"二十五案本院委員羅美玲等18人已據《娛樂稅法部分條文修正草案情緒》一案陳旭榮會見年金匯交財政委員會審查。宣言完畢二十六案本院委員羅美玲等18人已據《中央廣播電台設置條例第3條、第4條及第19條條文修正草案情緒》一案陳旭榮會見年金匯交司法及法治教育及文化聯委委員會審查。宣言完畢二十六案"},{"start":5897.013,"end":5914.964,"text":"第二十七案本院委員羅美玲等18人離去就業服務法第51條條維修正常勤稅案陳旭榮會見你請獲交身為副理政環境委員會審查。宣傳完畢第二十八案本院委員陳素月等19人離去使用排照稅法第29條第30條及第31條條維修正常勤稅案"},{"start":5918.406,"end":5919.847,"text":"衡議通過下言衡議通過下言衡議通過下言"},{"start":5946.897,"end":5969.646,"text":"第三十一案本院委員李博毅等16人理據威脅統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修憲草案請選一案。陳秀榮會見您請回交內政委員會審查。宣言完畢。第二、三十二案本院委員李博毅等16人理據個人資料保護法第十二條及第十九條條文修憲草案請選一案。陳秀榮會見您請回交經濟委員會審查。宣言完畢。"},{"start":5973.948,"end":5997.271,"text":"第三十三案本院委員李柏毅等16人離聚植物品種及種苗法第53條之一條文修正常案情緒因案。陳詢問會見你請回交經濟委員會審查。宣布完畢。第二、第三十四案本院委員李柏毅等16人離聚娛樂稅法部分條文修正常案情緒因案。陳詢問會見你請回交財政委員會審查。宣布完畢。第二、第三十四案"},{"start":5998.012,"end":6014.107,"text":"第三十五案本院委員李柏毅等16人離聚、菸酒稅法部分條維修正常請選一案。陳詢問會見,你請回交財政委員會審查。宣言完畢。衛議通過下議案第三十六案本院委員蔡其雙等18人離聚、陳彥聰新調累計10條之一及第72條條維修正常請選一案。陳詢問會見,你請回交經濟財政委員會審查。"},{"start":6021.033,"end":6047.783,"text":"宣讀完畢。衛通過下一案。第37案。本院委員徐志傑等22任理據《刑事訴訟法》第441條條無修正、草原清水案、陳旭文會見、李景輝交、司法及法制委員會審查。宣讀完畢。衛通過下一案。第38案。本院委員陳俊宇等29任理據《民法》第1085條條無修正、草原清水案、陳旭文會見、李景輝交、司法及法制委員會審查。宣讀完畢。衛通過下一案。"},{"start":6048.143,"end":6072.573,"text":"第三十九案本院委員陳俊宇的二十八任理據行政法第九條條文修正財文請水銀案陳俊宇委員會見立行會交司法及法支援會審查。宣告完畢。五一通過效應案第四十案本院委員陳俊宇的二十九任理據國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正財文請水銀案陳俊宇委員會見立行會交社會福利及多項環境委員會審查。宣告完畢。五一通過效應案"},{"start":6073.033,"end":6096.63,"text":"第41案）北域委員馬文君等19人離聚公路法第39條之一條文修正策募情緒因案。程序委員會見,引請會交交通委員會審查。宣言完畢。無語通過下議案。第42案）北域委員馬文君等20人離聚社會救助法第11條條文修正策募情緒因案。程序委員會見,引請會交社會福利基金會上環境委員會審查。宣言完畢。無語通過下議案。"},{"start":6097.55,"end":6120.512,"text":"第43案本院委員陳昌明的17年年居所得稅法第17條條文修慎詳請水恩。陳修恩會見您請回交財政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第44案本院委員陳昌明的17年年居教育經費編列與管理法第3條條文修慎詳請水恩。陳修恩會見您請回交教育及文化委員會審查。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":6121.673,"end":6136.118,"text":"第45案）本院委員陳少明的學財委員連續《老年農民福利建設條例》第2條及第4條條文修正財運侵水銀案陳迅榮會見以及將社會福利及衛生環境、經濟、內政三元會審查。宣告完畢。"},{"start":6137.458,"end":6166.903,"text":"第46案本用委員牛雪婷等17人聆聚住宅法增列第21條之一條文草案請水銀案陳旭文會監理行會交內政委員會審查宣傳完畢第47案本用委員牛雪婷等16人聆聚訴願法部分條文修正草案請水銀案陳旭文會監理行會交司法及法制委員會審查宣傳完畢第48案本用委員王玉明等21人聆聚教保服務人員條例部分條文修正草案請水銀案"},{"start":6167.483,"end":6169.125,"text":"無異通告下議案無異通告下議案"},{"start":6187.245,"end":6212.069,"text":"第50案本議務委員王玉明等22人理據《兒童及少年福利與權益保障法》第69條談文修正採完請選議案。前續委員會見。您請回交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查。宣言完畢。無異通過下一案。第51案本議務委員王玉明等24人理據《兒童多育服務法》採完請選議案。前續委員會見。您請回交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查。宣言完畢。無異通過下一案。"},{"start":6212.449,"end":6222.362,"text":"第52案本院委員賴會員等17人聯聚使用《牌照稅法》第29條、第30條及第31條條無修憲草原侵稅一案。陳訓委員會間,立即會交財政委員會審查、宣傳幣。第53案本院委員賴會員等18人聯聚"},{"start":6229.952,"end":6258.519,"text":"五、稅條例第12條條文修正草案請選一案。陳修仁會見,您請回交財政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。五、議通過下一案。第54案。本議員和那會員等17人等據土地稅法第54條條文修正草案請選一案。陳修仁會見,您請回交財政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。五、議通過下一案。第55案。本議員和那會員等16人等據菸酒稅法部分條文修正草案請選一案。陳修仁會見,您請回交財政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":6259.119,"end":6261.1,"text":"五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案"},{"start":6282.228,"end":6283.629,"text":"五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案"},{"start":6307.529,"end":6333.139,"text":"第60案本院委員邱毅英等16人理據《老人福利法》部分條文修正草案請審議案。陳修援會監理行會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣言迴避。第61案本院委員沈伯陽等20人理據《國際安全法》第3條、第8條及第18條條文修正草案請審議案。陳修援會監理行會交內政委員會審查。宣言迴避。第62案本院委員范雲等16人理據"},{"start":6334.079,"end":6350.495,"text":"大學法第7條條文修正草棋選案、財經委員會見、聯席委員會交、教育及文化委員會審查。宣告完畢。五、議通過下議案。第63案、本議委員範疑等16分理據、運動部主事法草棋選案、財經委員會見、聯席委員會交、司法及法治教育及文化兩委員會審查。"},{"start":6352.141,"end":6377.887,"text":"無異議通過下一案。第64案本議委員分與等16人以廢紙、教育部、體育署、組織法請選一案。陳旭榮會見。你請回交司法及法制、教育及文化兩委員會審查。宣傳完畢。無異議通過下一案。第65案本議委員外美0等17人已居、教師待遇條例第13條條無修正常請選一案。陳旭榮會見。你請回交司法及法制、教育及文化兩委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":6378.507,"end":6380.309,"text":"五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案"},{"start":6406.833,"end":6429.396,"text":"第68案）本委員、郭育晴等17人聯聚不亦一致保存條例草案情緒因案）程序委員會見年輕會教教育界文化聯盟會審查）宣言完畢。第69案）本委員、郭育晴等17人聯聚國家語言研究發展中心設置條例草案情緒因案）程序委員會見年輕會教司法及法治教育界文化聯盟會審查）宣言完畢。"},{"start":6430.057,"end":6431.658,"text":"五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案"},{"start":6454.716,"end":6474.569,"text":"第72案）本委員廖先祥等18年年居性別平等工作法部分條文修正草原清水一案）程序委員會見擬請委員會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查）宣言完畢第73案）本委員林思明等21年年居住宅法部分條文修正草原清水一案）程序委員會見擬請委員會交內政委員會審查）宣言完畢"},{"start":6477.935,"end":6479.656,"text":"五、通過下議案五、通過下議案五、通過下議案"},{"start":6504.469,"end":6528.981,"text":"第76案）本院委員張雅琳的23任理據《重視法第14條及第15條條文修正財務情緒一案》陳勛文會監、李秦輝教教育及文化委員會審查、宣傳並。無疑通過下一案。第77案）本院委員張雅琳的23任理據《性別平等教育法第29條條文修正財務情緒一案》陳勛文會監、李秦輝教教育及文化委員會審查、宣傳並。無疑通過下一案。"},{"start":6529.361,"end":6553.492,"text":"第78案）本院委員張雅琳的23人理據《教育人員任用條例》第31條條文修正財務情緒一案。財經委員會見,理情會教司法及法治,教育及文化聯盟委員會審查。宣言完畢。無疑通過下言。第79案）本院委員林依菁的18人理據《正當安全和立法》修正財務情緒一案。財經委員會見,理情會教交通委員會審查。宣言完畢。無疑通過下言。"},{"start":6553.832,"end":6578.103,"text":"第81案本院委員吳佩儀等21人聯聚、行政院組織法第3條條文修正常勤稅一案。陳旭榮會見你請會交司法及法政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。第81案本院委員吳佩儀等21人聯聚、中央行政機關組織基準法第29條及第39條條文修正常勤稅一案。陳旭榮會見你請會交司法及法政委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":6579.364,"end":6604.037,"text":"第82案本院委員吳佩儀等21人聯聚教育部組織法第2條、第5條及第9條條務修正裁判請選一案。採訪委員會見,您請回交司法、企劃之、教育及文化聯盟委員會審查。宣傳完畢。第83案本院委員吳佩儀等21人聯聚運動部組織法裁判請選一案。採訪委員會見,您請回交司法、企劃之、教育及文化聯盟委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":6605.898,"end":6628.745,"text":"第84案本院委員吳佩儀等21人理據,運動部全民運動署組織法草案請選一案,程序運動會見,您請回交司法啟發制教育界文化聯盟委員會審查,宣讀外幣。第85案本院委員吳佩儀等21人理據,國家運動產業發展中心順勢條例草案請選一案,程序運動會見,您請回交司法啟發制教育界文化聯盟委員會審查,"},{"start":6629.785,"end":6630.846,"text":"無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案無疑通過下議案"},{"start":6658.507,"end":6659.688,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":6680.123,"end":6708.509,"text":"臣徐委員會見、臣行會交、社會福利、習慣環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無疑通過下一案。第九十案本委員、楊崇英等30億人理據紀念日及節日實施條例草案清水案。臣徐委員會見、臣行會交、內政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無疑通過下一案。第九十一案本委員、鄭天才等18人理據國家語言研究發展中心設施條例草案清水案。臣徐委員會見、臣行會交、司法企劃者、教育界文化聯盟委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無疑通過下一案。"},{"start":6708.809,"end":6728.044,"text":"第92案本院委員正念財等時期人領據原住民族基本法第18條條文修正常行水銀案。程序委員會見。你請回交內政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第93案本院委員正念財等時期人領據原住民保留地進方補償條例第3條條文修正常行水銀案。"},{"start":6728.744,"end":6755.542,"text":"陳修緣會計人、理行會教、內政、經濟兩委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無疑通過下言。第94案本院委員外媒領導17人領據《高級中南教育法》第32條條文修正財務請水恩。陳修緣會計人、理行會教、教育及文化委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無疑通過下言。第95案本院委員外媒領導17人領據《教師待遇條例》第20條條文修正財務請水恩。陳修緣會計人、理行會教、司法企劃制、教育及文化兩委員會審查。"},{"start":6756.523,"end":6758.164,"text":"御議通過下一案御議通過下一案御議通過下一案"},{"start":6785.06,"end":6787.021,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":6811.272,"end":6829.543,"text":"第一版案本院委員徐宇珍等19人聆聚。今天日期節日是18。草案請水印案。陳秀榮會見。你請回交內政委員會審查。宣言完畢。第一零一案本院委員王定宇等16人聆聚。臺灣地區大陸地區人民關係條例第9條之3條文修正草案請水印案。"},{"start":6834.407,"end":6856.124,"text":"第一零二案本議員王定宇等16日臨去臺灣地區W地區人民關係條例第21條條無修正裁判請選一案。陳修永會見,你請回交內政委員會審查。宣言完畢第一零三案本議員王定宇等16日臨去國家安全法第2條及第7條條無修正裁判請選一案。陳修永會見,你請回交內政委員會審查。"},{"start":6857.085,"end":6859.306,"text":"五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案"},{"start":6881.678,"end":6907.886,"text":"第106案本月緣和新春的23年年居陳彥壽新條例第10條之一條文修正草原清水案陳勛榮會見你請回交經濟財政委員會審查。宣布完畢。無異通過下議案第107案本月緣和新春的23年年居國民體育法增訂第15條之一第17條之一及第18條之一條文草原清水案陳勛榮會見你請回交教育系文化委員會審查。宣布完畢。無異通過下議案"},{"start":6908.266,"end":6919.558,"text":"第108案本院委員領域僅有19人聆聚。國家運動訓練中心設置條例修正草原清水案。程序委員會監理及委員會教育司法、計法、聚焦、文化、聯合委員會審查。宣傳完畢。"},{"start":6921.604,"end":6947.143,"text":"第109案本院委員領域僅等19人已廢置,將予部庭署《組織法》請選一案。才需委員會間聯席會教司法及法制教育及文化聯委會審查,宣布完畢。無疑通過下議案第110案本院委員領域僅等19人已拒,將予部組織法第2條、第5條及第9條條文修認償請選一案。才需委員會間聯席會教司法及法制教育及文化聯委會審查,宣布完畢。無疑通過下議案"},{"start":6947.463,"end":6969.677,"text":"第一一一案本院委員另一進的19人聯聚運動部組織法草原清水一案採訊委員會見理行會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查宣言完畢第一一二案本院委員另一進的19人聯聚國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草原清水一案採訊委員會見理行會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會審查宣言完畢第一一二案本院委員另一進的19人聯聚國家運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正草原清水一案採訊委員會見理行會教育司法及法治教育及文化聯盟委員會"},{"start":6972.439,"end":6994.779,"text":"一、三、本委員、林益錦等19人聚、運動部全民運動署組織法草案請選一案。陳秀榮會見、林行會教、司法及法制教育及文化聯委員會審查。宣告完畢。一、四、本委員、林益錦等19人聚、國家運動產業發展中心設施條例草案請選一案。陳秀榮會見、林行會教、司法及法制教育及文化聯委員會審查。"},{"start":6995.74,"end":7015.292,"text":"無異議通過下言。第115案本院委員另一行等學習委員等連續《行政院組織法》第3條條文修憲草案請選案。請求委員會見,您請加入司法計畫中研會審查。無異議通過下言。第116案本院委員另一行等學習委員等連續《中央行政機關組織基準法》第29條及第39條條文修憲草案請選案。"},{"start":7018.454,"end":7034.28,"text":"財修委員會監、聯席委員會教育司法及法治委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第117案本院委員陳培宇等18案連續政府採訪法第94條條文修正常情緒案財修委員會監、聯席委員會教育交通委員會審查。宣讀完畢。第118案本院委員陳培宇等18案連續"},{"start":7038.522,"end":7059.514,"text":"大眾運輸工具、播音、語言、平等保障法第4條及第6條條文修正、財務情緒案、財修委員會間、理情會教、消動委員會審查。宣告完畢。第一、一、九案本議員陳培宇等18日連續民法第1085條條文修正、財務情緒案、財修委員會間、理情會教、司法及法律委員會審查。宣告完畢。"},{"start":7060.755,"end":7082.592,"text":"第一、二、零案。本議會委員陳培宇在18日連續不議移植保存條例草案請水恩。前續委員會見。您請回交交給王化委員會審查。宣言完畢。第一、二、一案。本議會委員陳培宇在18日連續威權同志實行國家不法行為被害者權利回復條例部分條文修正草案請水恩。前續委員會見。您請回交內政委員會審查。宣言完畢。"},{"start":7085.774,"end":7107.327,"text":"第一、二、三案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚道路交通管理處發條例第78條及第84條條務修正草原侵水案採訊委員會見立行會交交通委員會審查。宣告完畢第一、二、三案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚動物保護法部份條務修正草原侵水案採訊委員會見立行會交經濟委員會審查。宣告完畢"},{"start":7110.129,"end":7133.901,"text":"第一二四案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚軍工教育委員待遇調整條例草案請審議案查詢委員會見你請回交司法及法徵委員會審查宣讀完畢第一二五案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團你稱為前提之公職委員選舉報名法第62條條目修正草案案查詢委員會見你請回同意撤回宣讀完畢第一二五案"},{"start":7134.361,"end":7156.869,"text":"第126案 行政委員請選以運動部組織法層案、運動部全民運動署組織法層案、國鄉運動產業發展中心設置條例層案、國鄉運動訓練中心設置條例修正層案、國鄉運動科學中心設置條例部分條文修正層案及教育部組織法第二條、第五條及第九條條文修正層案案。陳修永會見 聯席委員會教育司法及法治教育檢劃 聯委員會審查"},{"start":7158.951,"end":7172.006,"text":"無異議通過下議案。第一、二、其二,行政院和計學院行政院組織法第3條條文修正草案案,財政委員會見,您請會交司法及法徵委員會審查。無異議通過下議案。第一、二、八,行政院和計學院獲稅條例第12條條文修正草案案,財政委員會見,您請會交財政委員會審查。"},{"start":7178.573,"end":7178.853,"text":"無異議通過下議案"},{"start":7199.476,"end":7218.022,"text":"11月1日星期五及11月5日星期二,邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告《114年度宣戰計畫》、《114年度中央政府總預算案》及《中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案》編製經過並備質詢。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7222.003,"end":7245.578,"text":"第一三零案,國防部捍衛該部所屬113年度預算、營建工程科目所需設備及投資,申請動執第一預備經濟新台幣5億元,驗金,行政院主席總署同意備案,採訊委員會見,立行會教外交及國防委員會,宣讀完畢。五一通過效應案第一三一案,內政部捍衛修任替代議員提前退役辦法第二條討論,採訊委員會見,立行會教內政委員會,宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7249.827,"end":7257.439,"text":"報議會第131案現有臺灣民眾黨黨團體改交審查本案交內政委員會審查下一案"},{"start":7262.591,"end":7263.251,"text":"五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案五、議通過下議案"},{"start":7280.302,"end":7281.683,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":7307.826,"end":7320.749,"text":"三、農業部海維修政、農業部農田水利署、苗栗管理署、農田水利事事辦委、財修委員會及理行會及經濟委員會宣告完畢。三、農業部海維修政、動物財業管理辦法、財修委員會及理行會及經濟委員會宣告完畢。三、農業部海維修政、漁會選舉報名辦法第11條條文。"},{"start":7331.152,"end":7332.534,"text":"無異通告下言無異通告下言"},{"start":7350.934,"end":7351.374,"text":"無異議通過下議案"},{"start":7372.361,"end":7393.004,"text":"第一四一案,農業部新進步援助民主委員會海維修政,特定水土保持區一定規模以上之地貿改變認定辦法第二大桃園,財修委員會屆年期會教經濟內政兩委員會,宣讀外幣。第一四二案,經濟部海維修政在大陸地區從事投資或技術合作審查原則第4點及第5點規定,"},{"start":7394.125,"end":7394.465,"text":"無異通過下言無異通過下言"},{"start":7413.311,"end":7432.971,"text":"第一、四、四、五、二、基礎監督管理委員會、中央銀行還未修正、國際保險業務分公司管理辦法部分條文、程序委員會件、理情會教、財政委員會宣讀完畢。第一、四、五、二、基礎監督管理委員會還未修正、保險、經濟人管理規則部分條文等四項法規、程序委員會件、理情會教、財政委員會宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7435.453,"end":7457.941,"text":"第一四、六、二、金融監督管理委員會、航運修正、金融機構、辦理、受贈、居民、政務者、延遲、補貼、分房、部分條文、成熟委員會、接年齡請回交財政委員會。宣讀完畢。第一四、七、二、金融監督管理委員會、航運修正、公開發行公司年報、英行記載事項、準則、部分條文、成熟委員會、接年齡請回交財政委員會。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7459.341,"end":7482.835,"text":"第一四八日﹐文化部行為修正﹐文化部表揚出資講述文化藝術工作者及事業辦法第七條之一條文﹐陳修永會見﹐您請回交教育及文化委員會﹐宣讀完畢。第一四九日﹐文化部行為廢止國立臺灣歷史博物院圖書式資料復印收費標準﹐陳修永會見﹐您請回交教育及文化委員會﹐宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7484.136,"end":7504.015,"text":"第1502 文化部海運修正經營獎獎勵辦法部分條文陳修仁會見年輕會教教育及文化委員會宣傳完畢。無異通過下議案第151案 教育部海運修正基優運動選手就業輔導辦法第二條及第三條條文陳修仁會見年輕會教教育及文化委員會宣傳完畢。無異通過下議案"},{"start":7504.415,"end":7529.745,"text":"第152案,舊域部海維修正全國中等學校運動會舉辦準則。陳修援會見立行會教教育及文化委員會。宣布完畢。第153案,舊域部海維修正參加國際數理學科奧林匹亞競賽及國際科學展覽成績優良學生升學優待班法部門條文。陳修援會見立行會教教育及文化委員會。宣布完畢。"},{"start":7530.345,"end":7542.576,"text":"第一、五、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、"},{"start":7546.519,"end":7561.433,"text":"第15案、交通部海外廢止、受莫拉克颱風災害影響發生因緣擴大之觀光產業疏通辦法及受花蓮震災影響之旅宿業融資協助辦法、財修委員會建立行會交交通委員會。宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7562.694,"end":7591.992,"text":"第一、五、六案。交通部罕為廢止日月潭國家及風景特定區禁止、散置、操作、遙控、無人機設銷、程序委員會及聯邦交通委員會。宣讀完畢。第一、五、七案。交通部罕為本月制定國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司宣誓條例通過附帶權益、解送國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司一百二十三年度營運安全計畫。程序委員會及聯邦交通司法執行委員會。宣讀完畢。第一、五、六案。"},{"start":7592.512,"end":7612.526,"text":"第一、五、八、二、交通部內政部海外修正、登陸交通標誌、標線、號誌、設施、規則、部分條文、程序委員會見、理情會教、交通部內政、兩委員會、宣讀完畢。第一、五、九、二、交通部海外修正、交通部民用航空局編製表、程序委員會見、理情會教、司法啟發制、交通、兩委員會、宣讀完畢。"},{"start":7613.146,"end":7616.148,"text":"五、一通過下一案五、一通過下一案五、一通過下一案"},{"start":7640.787,"end":7668.52,"text":"第一六二案交通部海域修正交通部中央氣象署氣象預報中心編製表及交通部中央氣象署地震測報中心編製表柴修永會見以及回交司法及法治交通兩委員會宣讀完畢。衛議通過報告委員會第163案至214案請依序宣讀其中第167171至175案國民黨黨團提議改交審查第164"},{"start":7669.725,"end":7669.848,"text":"一、六"},{"start":7670.828,"end":7680.215,"text":"167、170、178、179、181至184、186、192至195、199、200、201、208至210案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查。宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘議案均照程序委員會意見通過請問院會有無異議"},{"start":7701.38,"end":7718.835,"text":"沒有異議,我們宣讀之後通過,請宣讀。第163案及第167案內宣部,第168案及第169案海洋委員會,第170案原住民族委員會,第17案外交部,第172案及第175案國防部,第176案及第177案國區退出與關閉"},{"start":7721.22,"end":7722.561,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":7746.818,"end":7772.84,"text":"第二領清案數位發展部．第二領辦案考試院秘書長．第二領九案及第二領零案防務部．第二領一案具體二領一三案衛生福利部．涵為各年度相關預算等預算決議．分別檢送相關報告。第二領一四案本院財政委員會涵送．中華民國一百十四年度中央政府總預算案．附屬單位預算及總計表、營業及分業部分．審查日程及審查分配表．"},{"start":7773.58,"end":7794.223,"text":"陳修永委員你請會議並《114年度中央政府總預算案》處理宣讀完畢報言會第215案以下請一併宣讀宣讀之後除第217至219案同意展延審查期限之外其餘個案均准予被查請宣讀"},{"start":7795.051,"end":7814.03,"text":"第二、一、五案為本院教育及文化委員會函為院會教部審查行政法人國家運動訓練中心一百十三年度預算決議等案一頁審查完均均準與通知第二、一、六案為本院內政委員會函為院會教部審查相關行政命令以與法庭轉延審查及審查期限"},{"start":7814.631,"end":7843.079,"text":"第二宜清案至第二宜九案為本院經濟內政、外交及國防、財政、司法及法律、社會福利及外商環境委會函為院會教務審查相關審查命令,均已於立法院質詢行事法第60條鎖定審查期限。質詢事項講行政院答覆部分,前紀委函送本院中委員嘉賓等鎖定質詢之書面答覆共事件。以本院委員質詢部分、本院羅委員志強等向行政院提出質詢共發見,"},{"start":7844.039,"end":7844.339,"text":"宣讀完畢"},{"start":7875.589,"end":7887.399,"text":"韓院長、江副院長、各位委員先進、大家好。盟大院安排報告114年度中央政府總預算案編制情形"},{"start":7889.013,"end":7917.771,"text":"並備質詢深感責任重大也非常的榮幸過去8年以來在全國人民及產業界共同的努力之下我國平均經濟成長率高達3.14%為亞洲四小龍之首同時也帶動政府稅收穩定的增加中央政府總預算執行結果自106年度起連續7年稅入稅出皆有剩餘"},{"start":7918.531,"end":7945.953,"text":"甚至連續6年勝於超過千億顯示政府財政體質改善更能推動許多福國利民的政策明年度中央政府總預算案也是在橫出國內外經濟情勢堅固未來施政重點與國家發展需要並恪守公共債務法及財政紀律法等規範之下省慎的編酬"},{"start":7946.823,"end":7966.358,"text":"有三項的重點一是稅入成長高於稅出成長率二是兼顧財政穩定第三是累計債務餘額比率下降有三項的特點稅入成長率15.7%高於稅出成長率的9.8%而且稅入稅出剩餘209億元"},{"start":7975.718,"end":7999.183,"text":"這是自109年度開始到現在編列平衡預算後再次在總預算案中產生剩餘。預估到明年底,中央政府累積未償債務餘額佔前三年度明目國內生產毛額GDP平均數比例為28.6%,較今年會減少1.1個百分點。"},{"start":8004.98,"end":8022.052,"text":"更能維持國家財政的健全跟韌性以下僅就三大面向向大會報告一是國內外經濟情勢及展望根據標普全球8月的預測今年經濟成長率為2.7%略低於去年的2.8%明年我們預測全年全球的經濟成長率也會到達2.7%"},{"start":8035.014,"end":8047.804,"text":"那麼就國內的經濟情勢而言在外銷方面隨人工智慧及高效能運算等新興科技運用加速的拓展商品出口成長可期"},{"start":8048.809,"end":8072.757,"text":"在內需方面,國內就業市場穩健,薪資提升,增加可支配的所得,股市熱絡益助財富效果,民間消費可放穩定的成長。在投資方面,半導體AI的商機,終端產品需求回溫,擴充先進製程以及高階封測的產能,"},{"start":8074.008,"end":8100.553,"text":"再加上近期多家國際大廠相繼宣布加碼投資台灣設立研發中心、資料中心等等均有利於擴增國內的產能形成投資與經濟成長的正向循環所以預期明年我國經濟成長將持續穩健的成長。第二個面向在114年度中央政府總預算編製的原則"},{"start":8103.496,"end":8119.857,"text":"第一優先我們要落實國家希望工程八大施政目標推動照顧和發展雙軸並進等等重大的政策為妥善運用有效的資源明年度總預算案的編制有幾項的原則"},{"start":8120.778,"end":8136.631,"text":"第一是政府稅出應衡量稅入負擔的能力與整體可用資源務實籌措相關債務的控管應依公共債務法及財政紀律法規定辦理。第二各機關"},{"start":8138.001,"end":8161.815,"text":"需本於靈基預算精神籌編並建立資源分配之競爭評比機制以提升整體資源使用的效益。第三、政府公共投資應兼顧地區的均衡發展。第四、考量人口年齡結構的變動以兼顧社會公平正義、權利義務對等及政府財政負擔等原則。"},{"start":8162.996,"end":8184.297,"text":"五、政府預算籌編過程中應融入淨零排放相關觀念,就促進淨零排放目標之效果及計畫,要優先編列預算辦理。三、明年度中央政府總預算編制重點"},{"start":8186.394,"end":8195.339,"text":"明年度總預算循上述的幾項編制的原則,審慎的檢討後編定稅入編列3兆1534億元,較本年度增加15.7%稅出編列3兆1325億元,較本年度增加9.8%稅入稅出相抵剩餘209億元"},{"start":8215.287,"end":8219.83,"text":"支應債務返本1415億元後,尚需融資調度1206億元,以舉借債務706億元以及移用以前年度剩餘500億元於米平。"},{"start":8235.946,"end":8254.804,"text":"明年度稅出編制有以下十大項重點第一是在擴大公共建設投資均衡區域基礎建設向下為完善國家基礎建設創造在地希望編列公共建設計畫經費2644億元"},{"start":8258.627,"end":8264.615,"text":"若加計前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算以及並計營業與非營業特種基金整體規模達到6483億元,增加11.7%。"},{"start":8275.353,"end":8278.255,"text":"第二、在壯大經濟產業實力、鞏固國家關鍵優勢的向下,為站穩全球供應鏈關鍵的地位,壯大臺灣經濟與產業的實力,編列推動五大信貸產業的經費達222億元,增加40%。"},{"start":8295.984,"end":8309.835,"text":"第三、在厚植整體國防力量深化國際合作的向下為強韌整體防衛能力維護國家安全和平國防部主管預算編列4760億元若加計新式戰機採購及海空戰力提升計畫採購特別預算"},{"start":8319.116,"end":8340.25,"text":"並併記非營業特種基金整體規模達到6470億元上升7.1%在外交的向下為鞏固與邦交國的夥伴關係深化與理念相近國家的實質合作外交部主管預算編列320億元也增加了2.7%"},{"start":8342.81,"end":8366.786,"text":"第四在強化友善教育環境培植科研跨領域的能力向下為營造友善學習環境造就多元產業的人才教育部主管向下教育經費編列3,558億元若加計中央對地方政府一般教育補助款659億元以及前瞻"},{"start":8368.497,"end":8374.46,"text":"的預算合計編列4254億元,增加8.2%。另外,在為培植科技跨域能力,驅動產業創新升級,編列科技發展計畫經費1466億元,若加計前瞻並計國防科技經費以及營業與非營業基金,"},{"start":8394.758,"end":8411.108,"text":"整體規模達到1965億元。五、在優化全齡照顧體系建築幸福美滿生活的向下為減輕家庭育兒的負擔增進生養環境的品質編列0到6歲國家一起養2.0經費1082億元"},{"start":8416.055,"end":8423.559,"text":"若加計前瞻以及非營業特種基金合計達到1177億元,也增加4.6%。另外,強化長照服務資源,建築樂活高齡的社會,編列了長照服務經費926億元,也增加了5.8%。"},{"start":8439.995,"end":8461.506,"text":"六、在完備社會安全網絡守護安心公益家園向下,為使社會安全網絡更加完備,編列強化社會安全網第二期計畫經費75億元,也增加19.3%。另外加強社會治安維護守護安心公益家園,編列治安維護經費1469億元。"},{"start":8465.848,"end":8471.052,"text":"若加計前瞻以及前營業與非營業特種基金合計編列1486億元也增加11.6%"},{"start":8477.867,"end":8497.76,"text":"第七向下是提升醫療服務品質邁向健康臺灣願景為擴大醫療投資打造健康臺灣總而我們再新增了有健保財務協力方案336億元以及健康臺灣深耕計畫相關的措施60億元"},{"start":8500.422,"end":8507.79,"text":"另外為國家癌症防治相關預算也編列了136億元這一項增加幅度高達225%"},{"start":8511.445,"end":8540.954,"text":"第八在落實淨零轉型建構韌性永續國土的向下為促進國家永續發展達成2050淨零排放目標編列相關預算364億元若加計前瞻以及營業與非營業特種基金合計編列1160億元也增加了21.6%第九在文化支出的預算部分"},{"start":8542.148,"end":8560.744,"text":"一百一十四年度稅數編列四百三十七億元那麼加計前瞻以及聯同非營業基金非營業特種基金合併編列五百六十六億元也增加了百分之九點五第十項在充裕地方財政量能"},{"start":8561.826,"end":8563.207,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":8579.963,"end":8602.859,"text":"加計中央統籌分配稅款及計畫型補助款的並算整體中央對地方政府財源挹注合計高達1兆151億元較本年度相較會增加13.5%以上是總預算編列的10項重點之後對"},{"start":8608.905,"end":8637.121,"text":"目前有幾項大院所在討論或社會關注的三項議題也分別提出說明第一項關於原住民保留地淨法補償的方案原住民族委員會明年度編列預算124億元已經比現在增加了13億高於中央政府總預算稅出稅率的成長幅度其中"},{"start":8638.923,"end":8665.195,"text":"編列進法補償28億元,較113年度的預算也增加了7億元,比例是34%。在基於立法、行政、平衡及相互的尊重,期盼兩院共同遵守憲法第70條的憲政原理精神以及預算法第90條原則規定及必要的程序,依此"},{"start":8665.942,"end":8692.595,"text":"作為預算審查共同而且唯一的原則,我們共同來延長妥適的解方。朝野政黨如果獲得以上的共識,114年度進法補償經費,行政院當可考量,以適當之方式尋求資金來源予以支應。第二,在健保點子方面,為全力改善健保財務狀況,並提升整體醫療品質,"},{"start":8696.581,"end":8723.287,"text":"明年度已增加預注健保基金336億元其中包括原屬於健保總額支出項目一列公務預算負擔的180億元其中包括癌症新藥專款50億輪值夜班護理人員獎金40億以及三班護病比獎勵金25億另外為增預健保基金收入有155億元"},{"start":8725.475,"end":8739.459,"text":"那麼行政院已核定114年度健保醫療給給付的給付費用的成長率最高可以到達5.5%估計健保總額可增加531億元如連同上開的一列公務預算負擔的181億元健保總額合共可以實質增加712億元"},{"start":8752.881,"end":8776.39,"text":"那麼在健保給付我們是採取總額的制度健保點值上涉及實際醫療服務量能等不可控的因素政府會朝向更高點值來努力不過未來仍需透過落實分級醫療及膚食查核、審核、健保支出等配套機制以逐步達到穩定醫療服務點值之目標"},{"start":8777.864,"end":8805.367,"text":"至於在公糧收購的方面,國際上僅剩我國仍具有稻米收購的措施,且為唯一保價收購之農產品。黨將公糧收購價格提增5元,恐造成各面向的廣泛影響。未來每年公糧收購經費規模將達到178億元,也就是每年至少會增加90億。"},{"start":8808.536,"end":8829.446,"text":"農民種稻的誘因會提升,會導致稻米的產銷失衡,也使得民糧的糧價會下跌,影響70%未繳公糧的農民的權益,以及近年來我們積極輔導轉作的政策的效益。所以農業部省政的評估,"},{"start":8831.439,"end":8858.392,"text":"並且跟產業界溝通之後提出了一級二轉3加3的策略估計推行3年之後產地幹股市場價格預計每公斤可以提升3元所需的經費也必須要有16.5億這個都已經納編到我們的預算案中其相較提高公糧收購5元方能達到真正提升"},{"start":8859.386,"end":8884.751,"text":"整體稻農的收益,調整稻米產量的結構,農業能夠得到永續的發展,確保糧食安全自主的目標。以上僅就114年度中央政府總預算的編制重點綜合的說明,隨同預算案送請大院審議的附屬單位預算案編列情形及稅務部分將由"},{"start":8886.175,"end":8909.59,"text":"主計總處陳主計長、財政部莊部長另作詳細的說明。近來我國財政表現接連獲得國際組織高度的肯定我國財政穩健管理以及堅實的財政韌性。行政院為實現代總統創新繁榮、公義永續、民主和平、台灣的國政願景"},{"start":8911.056,"end":8935.384,"text":"國家正處於重要的發展階段,誠摯希望朝野能以人民為第一優先。自盼各位委員先進鼎力相支持,早日通過總預算案,讓攸關全體人民扶植的各項施政得以順利進行。其次,就中央政府前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算提出報告,"},{"start":8937.859,"end":8963.735,"text":"為奠定產業轉型及國家長遠發展所需的前瞻基礎建設,發揮了公共支出的提振景氣,帶動內需的乘數效果,並整均衡區域的發展。大院在2017年7月5日三讀通過《前瞻基礎建設特別條例》,其中第7條規定,中央政府依本條例支應前瞻基礎建設計畫以4年為期,"},{"start":8967.717,"end":8993.911,"text":"預算上限為4200億元期滿後連續預算之期程經大院同意後已不超過前期預算之規模跟期程為之並以特別預算方式編列分期辦理預算籌編以及審議所以感謝大院從2017年的8月開始通過了第一期、第二期、第三期及第四期總共7697億元的特別預算"},{"start":8997.745,"end":9027.174,"text":"其中這四期的執行率分別為92.3、91.7、94.9以及98.1,執行率都相當的高。那麼前瞻基礎建設推動以來,各縣市首長以及各級民意代表均極為重視,並廣為民眾所期待,積極爭取各項建設。執行式契金也展現了多面向的具體成果,產生扶國利民的效益。"},{"start":9029.025,"end":9050.8,"text":"經行政院審慎評估後,據予提出第5期特別預算案。本次提出的第5期特別預算,稅出共編列703億元,全數以舉債致印,其成是在2025年。各項預算概述如下。一、軌道建設編列57億元。"},{"start":9053.095,"end":9077.873,"text":"水環境建設編列218億元。綠能建設編列32億元。數位轉建設編列124億元。城鄉建設編列221億元。因應少子化友善育兒空間建設編列5億元。食品安全建設編列13億元。人才培育促進就業建設編列33億元。"},{"start":9081.209,"end":9106.009,"text":"以上僅就前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算編列重點綜合的說明有關本特別預算的編製過程以及內容概要由主計總署陳主計長在座詳細的報告財源籌措的部分請財政部莊部長報告至於計畫審議及執行部分由國家發展委員會劉主任委員報告"},{"start":9107.301,"end":9131.877,"text":"感謝各位委員過去對於前瞻基礎建設從第1、2、3、4期特別預算的支持。前瞻基礎建設是為加速推動國家未來發展所需的重大政策,除了振興經濟、創造就業機會以外,也可以促進產業的轉型,提升國家競爭力,讓國人享有更好的生活品質。"},{"start":9132.967,"end":9155.907,"text":"期盼各位委員先進能夠大力的支持,早日通過本項特別預算案,使這些有助於國家長遠發展的計畫能夠順利落實推動。謝謝各位委員先進,請大家勇於支持。謝謝。謝謝卓院長的報告。接下來請主計總署陳主計長報告。"},{"start":9169.341,"end":9184.056,"text":"韓院長、江副院長、各位委員先進、大家好。114年度中央政府總預算案的編製概況和主要重點,左院長已經做了說明,現在請就左邊經過和主要內容進一步提出報告。"},{"start":9185.798,"end":9199.919,"text":"114年度中央總預算的籌編根據實施中程計畫預算作業制度,行政院在今年4月合併中央各主管機關114年稅出的一個概算額度,請各機關配合"},{"start":9200.459,"end":9216.388,"text":"政府當前施政的一個重點需要落實臨機預算的精神本開源節流先減法後加法的一個原則將原有的計畫預算全數歸零重新檢討並按本院施政的主著規劃預算的一個裁員"},{"start":9217.389,"end":9243.197,"text":"那配合當前重大施政所需的經費應該優先在本院核定的稅數概算額度內來編列那新政府上任以後為了使總統的政見安心政府的施政主軸具體反映在預算上那行政院也喊請各級主管機關重新檢討他的施政計畫並配合新內閣團隊的一個政策方向概算內容報院來審議"},{"start":9244.477,"end":9262.4,"text":"各主管機關概算,大概是在6月下旬來報院。那經行政院組成年度計畫及預算審核會議延長,妥適來配置有效的一個預算資源,籌備114年中央總預算案,在預算法定期限於8月30送請大院來審議。"},{"start":9264.332,"end":9274.562,"text":"那稅入114年中央總預算案的一個內容稅入稅出差短和融資調度情形那主要是稅入編列3兆1534億元比113年度增加4282億約15.7那稅出編制3兆1325億元"},{"start":9286.434,"end":9307.107,"text":"一百一十三年度增加兩千八百零六約增加九點八稅率稅數相抵剩餘是兩百零九那支應債務還本一千四百一十五億元以後還必須融資調度一千兩百零六億那與幾屆債務七百零六億和已用以前年度稅金剩餘五百億元予以彌平"},{"start":9308.347,"end":9311.591,"text":"稅入來源別的一個編列情形請詳閱第9頁表2114年度稅入編列3兆1534其中稅客收入編列2兆7741佔稅入88%"},{"start":9324.926,"end":9327.087,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":9352.14,"end":9359.084,"text":"在稅出正式別的部分﹐可以請參閱第10頁的表3。114年有編列稅出3兆1325億,各項正式別支出是以社會福利支出編列8311億元,佔26.5居首位。"},{"start":9370.811,"end":9378.754,"text":"教育、文化、教育、科學、文化支出編列6,050億元暫19.3居第2,經濟發展支出編列5,386億元暫17.2居第3,國防支出編列4,674億元暫14.9居第4,如果以稅出增列2,806億元來分析,其中經濟發展支出增加1,109億元,"},{"start":9397.402,"end":9423.156,"text":"主要是增列增波住宅基金、新辦社會住宅、還有中央管流域整體改善和調適計畫等。教育科學文化支出增加561億元,主要是增加科學研究計畫、教育設施補助和新增學校用電、優惠及電匠、動長X2等經費。社會福利支出增加413億元,"},{"start":9424.717,"end":9440.456,"text":"主要是新增健保財務協助方案等經費那國防支出增加410億元主要是增列高高空無人機系統與他系統等防衛系統和攻擊無人機揮彈系統的軍事投資等經費"},{"start":9442.759,"end":9459.264,"text":"那在機關別的編列情形的部分可以詳閱第11頁到22頁的表示那總共呢各主管機關以國防部主管編列4760億元占15.2G首位衛生福利主管編列3702億元占11.8G第二位教育部主管編列3623億元占11.6G第三位勞動部主管編列2929億占9.3G第四位那"},{"start":9472.688,"end":9487.956,"text":"再來就是針對總預算案附屬單位預算內容來做說明那總預算案附屬單位總共有120個單位總收入7兆2595億元總支出呢6兆9848億元淨利2447億元那營運繳酷2270億元那整個一個詳細的編列情形如下第一個是營業基金那這個詳第23頁的表5"},{"start":9501.102,"end":9501.743,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":9508.558,"end":9510.179,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":9535.13,"end":9555.422,"text":"減少32億元,主要是中環郵政公司減少31億元所致。固定資產投資4185億元,比去年增加224億元,主要是臺灣電力公司為穩定供電和臺灣綜合公司推動天然氣輸出相關的一個計畫,增加投資所致。"},{"start":9557.093,"end":9557.393,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":9576.445,"end":9596.291,"text":"銀建建設基金由短促156億元轉為剩餘31億元及核能化電後端營運基金剩餘增加141億元所致剩餘繳酷57億元比去年減少268億元主要是行政院國家發展基金減少所致固定資產投資1828億元比去年"},{"start":9600.632,"end":9618.12,"text":"增加340億元,主要是交通作業基金增加279億元和國軍營設及設施改善基金增加67億元所致。那114年主要投資項目包括交通建設、港灣開發、科學園區開發及教學醫療設施等。"},{"start":9619.284,"end":9631.907,"text":"那以上114年度中央總預算案是為落實財政紀律並配合當前施政重點省政安排安排編程稅率成長15.7%高於稅出成長率9.8%稅率稅出剩餘209億元是從109年度編列平衡預算後再次與總預算案產生剩餘年同特別預算整體稅率稅出差短控管債1789億元"},{"start":9647.971,"end":9649.492,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":9671.221,"end":9697.28,"text":"預估114年度中央政府累計未償債務餘額占前三年明目GDP平均比例為28.6也符合公債法規定不超過40.6%的一個限制比113年度減少1.1個百分點敬請各位委員女士鼎力支持使得政府各項施政能夠順利推動祝福大家健康快樂萬事足謝謝那接下來我又針對"},{"start":9703.21,"end":9721.358,"text":"中央前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算的一個編製經過和內容概要報告如下為根據辦理前瞻基礎建設國家發展委員會國家科學和技術委員會會統相關機關就各部會按計畫期程所提的經會"},{"start":9723.039,"end":9738.811,"text":"需求進行先期作業審查之預計先期作業審查結果編據完成前瞻基礎建設第5期特別預算案實施期程是114年度那8月30我們送請大院來審議那所要內容如下"},{"start":9739.571,"end":9762.422,"text":"一、稅數編列703億,那之分別按機關別和正式別來折要說明如下。機關別編列情形,以詳第5頁到第10頁的一個副表。經濟部主管編列207億,包括加速辦理縣市管河川排水和海岸、防霧之防洪、綜合治理工程等。"},{"start":9763.718,"end":9777.796,"text":"還有包括臺南山上淨水場系統改善計畫還有開發在地型產業園區石門水庫阿敏抹平防禦隧道工程計畫等交通部主管編列145億元包括改善停車場"},{"start":9779.677,"end":9806.706,"text":"改善停車問題計畫、提升道路品質計畫、臺南市鐵路地下化計畫、觀光前瞻建設計畫、臺北都會區大眾捷運系統萬大綜合樹林線規劃報告及周邊土地開發的計畫等。內內政部主管編列127億元包括辦理直轄市和縣市道路網等公共環境改善、下水道和都市排水改善、還有改善地方政府行政中心等"},{"start":9808.486,"end":9823.436,"text":"數位發展部主管編列48億元,包括補助5G網路建設計畫、政府基層和數位韌性強化計畫、引領中小微企業數位轉型攻略計畫、強化偏鄉地區行動網路"},{"start":9825.417,"end":9827.838,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":9854.645,"end":9871.819,"text":"教育部主管編列41億元,包括2030雙語証冊計畫,加速提升學生孕育能力,提升公共圖書館建築物耐震能力,臺灣學術服務網路韌性強化,雲端服務品質提升及學術"},{"start":9872.94,"end":9873.541,"text":"主管編列17元"},{"start":9889.148,"end":9903.143,"text":"十七議員包括提升公共服務網、網路傳輸效率、雲端服務品質及建置公共服務內容、傳遞網路、還有A4代半導體前瞻半導體和量子技術研究計畫等。"},{"start":9905.621,"end":9919.84,"text":"文化部主管編列14億元包括文化生活圈建設計畫、補助地方建設、辦理藝文、場館、危險建築、建築物耐震補強工程等。正式別編列請請經濟發展支出"},{"start":9920.481,"end":9920.621,"text":"以上中央"},{"start":9950.113,"end":9972.422,"text":"政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算是為加速推動國家重大基礎建設,敬請各位委員、女士先生會議指教並鼎力支持,並祝福大家萬事如意,健康快樂。謝謝。好,謝謝陳主計長的報告。接下來我們請財政部莊部長報告。"},{"start":9984.008,"end":10002.737,"text":"主席、各位委員先進、大家好。財政部緊就114年度中央政府總預算案以及前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案有關收入的編列情形報告。為使政務順利的推動,本部積極籌措114年度的中央政府總預算案的裁員,稅務編列3兆1500億元。"},{"start":10005.578,"end":10006.779,"text":"三兆1534億元比113年度預算數增加4282億元"},{"start":10021.033,"end":10021.413,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":10044.258,"end":10047.782,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":10063.7,"end":10085.94,"text":"一百一十三年度的預算數增加一百二十九億元成長八百分之八點六主要是因為經濟成長帶動進口成長在非稅客收入的部分編列三千七百九十四億元佔稅入的百分之十二交一百一十三年度預算減少了三百一十八億元負成長百分之七點七"},{"start":10086.921,"end":10091.606,"text":"他包括了營業盈餘及事業收入編列2558億元,比113年度的預算數減少311億元,成長數是負成長10.8%,主要是中華郵政公司盈餘繳庫減少31億元。"},{"start":10106.36,"end":10120.317,"text":"行政院的國發基金減少繳庫284億元、陽明海運公司的現金鼓勵減少19億元另外,鐵道發展基金增加繳庫20億元以及本部主管的投資事業"},{"start":10121.923,"end":10132.556,"text":"以及中國鋼鐵公司分別增加現金鼓勵6億元以及2億元等增減負底。第二個在財產收入的部分我們編列297億元比113年度減少18億元負成長"},{"start":10139.583,"end":10158.447,"text":"5.9%主要是簡列了本部國有非公用土地的售價收入也還有撥補國軍引改基金國有土地的作價收入以及其他機關收入增加等增減附底的結果第三個在規費以及罰賠款以及其他收入的部分編列939億元較113年度的預算數增加11億元成長1.3%主要是交通部的規費收入增加所致"},{"start":10167.088,"end":10176.353,"text":"在融資規劃的部分114年度中央政府總預算稅入稅出剩餘209億元支應債務還本1415億元上需融資調度1206億那麼規劃一用以前年度的稅計剩餘500億元以及舉債706億元來支應"},{"start":10188.679,"end":10197.43,"text":"二、中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算案根據前瞻特別條例的規定前瞻基礎建設計畫前4年的預算上限是4200億元得以舉借債務的方式辦理期滿後後續預算及期成"},{"start":10205.82,"end":10218.133,"text":"經大院同意後以不超過前期預算規模及期程為之為了各項建設計畫的推動得以順利銜接大院也同意辦理後期4200億元的建設預算籌編並繼第一期到第4期特別預算稅出合計共編列了7697億元"},{"start":10227.043,"end":10247.49,"text":"為了根據推動前瞻基礎建設計畫根據上述的規定編列第5期的特別預算案實施其成為114年度稅出編列703億元規劃以舉債之意第三個部分要報告的是債務控管在債務存量的部分截至113年10月底中央政府長期債務餘額實際數是5,878億"},{"start":10253.204,"end":10266.767,"text":"實際的債務比例是26%至於114年底長期債務的餘額預算數是根據公共債務法的規定按照112年底中央政府長期債務餘額的實際數5兆8188億元連同歷年特別預算融資調度的保留數2397億元再加上113年度跟114年度預計的債務止借數扣除我們的債務償還數後"},{"start":10281.771,"end":10299.625,"text":"預估到114年底至中央政府長期債務的餘額是6兆8098億元那在這裡我要特別說明的是由於113年度我們的總預算稅務執行良好原編列的舉借數全數沒有舉借所以屆時114年底的長期債務餘額的預算數也將隨之減少"},{"start":10305.71,"end":10312.295,"text":"縱使依照6兆8098億元的債務餘額預算數來計算債務比率是28.6%也是低於《公共債務法》所規定的債務存量上限40.6%而且也較113年底的預算數的債務比率減少了1.1個百分點"},{"start":10326.867,"end":10344.956,"text":"二、財務流量部分前瞻及戰機及海空等特別條例都有規定排除單一年度財務流量和管制至於議後特別條例則沒有規定排除所以114年度的法定財務流量比率依總預算案"},{"start":10345.777,"end":10346.898,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":10360.453,"end":10387.419,"text":"二、各特別條例施行期間的債務流量。前瞻、戰機以及海空等特別條例雖然有規定排除單一年度債務流量的管制,但是仍然有規定施行期間的舉債額度合計數不可以超過該期間稅出總額合計數的15%。經計算到114年度,各特別預算舉在均符合施行期間債務流量的規定。"},{"start":10388.599,"end":10403.85,"text":"今年政府施政得當,帶動經濟成長,總預算稅入稅出的規模隨之成長。114年度總預算案的稅入成長率大於稅出的成長率,稅入稅出剩餘209億元。債務的舉借部分並計總預算案及各個特別預算案的舉借數。"},{"start":10409.913,"end":10432.284,"text":"預估114年底債務比例為28.6%,據債務存量40.6%的上限,還有12個百分點,所以財政穩健而且具有韌性。未來,本部仍將協同各部會根據落實《開源節流並課尊預算法》、《財政紀律法》及《公共債務法》等規定管控債務兼顧財政的穩健以及經濟的發展。"},{"start":10435.566,"end":10439.17,"text":"以上報告敬請各位委員會與指教、鼎力支持。謝謝。"},{"start":10461.317,"end":10487.875,"text":"韓院長、江副院長、各位委員先進大家好。感謝大院今日安排中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算編製過程之報告,敬請支持。政府於106年時因應重要國家發展政策與民眾需求,以及兼顧國內外新產業新技術新生活趨勢所需關鍵需求,並兼顧生態環境有序於發展,"},{"start":10488.675,"end":10516.557,"text":"而編列了前瞻基礎建設計畫前瞻計畫的實施也讓台灣過去面對兩次大旱得以安然度過也在今年的風災也可以看到在防水上面得到災害減少的效果因此前瞻建設強化了我國重要基礎建設並促進了區域均衡的發展也提升了國人的生活品質以及強化國土韌性的成效奠定了經濟成長的基礎"},{"start":10518.683,"end":10539.664,"text":"透過前瞻計畫也滿足了人民地方產業實質建設需求,帶動民間投資與經濟成長,不論是在軌道、水環境、綠能、數位、城鄉等建設,甚至因應少子女化、食品安全以及人才培育等方面都展現了很好的建設成果。"},{"start":10541.089,"end":10558.138,"text":"前瞻計畫已經超過了7年。這7年第一期到第4期我們編列的預算是7697億元。本次向大院提送的前瞻基礎計畫第5期特別預算約703億,將延續過去前瞻基礎建設的效果,持續投資未來。在編製的過程,"},{"start":10565.683,"end":10593.051,"text":"中我們優先納入了地方的需求以及淨零轉型計畫。前瞻計畫第5期特別預算除了延續有助於均衡區域發展、強化偏鄉等建設計畫外,針對地方政府殷切需求以及計畫成效顯著的部分,我們都有持續的支持,以及對於數位產業的發展、AI、資安等五大信賴產業的發展也都將持續推動。"},{"start":10594.484,"end":10605.596,"text":"其中這個部分編列最多的是城鄉、水環境以及數位三大建設另外因應2050年淨零轉型本次意在前瞻計畫第5期匡列了31.57億推動相關計畫"},{"start":10610.742,"end":10611.783,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":10640.849,"end":10655.138,"text":"國家科技技術發展委員會會依據特別條例規定分別就公共建設以及科技發展計畫分別辦理前瞻計畫第5期先期計畫作業審核、滾動調整、檢討各項114年度經費需求。對於公共建設的部分"},{"start":10661.801,"end":10683.796,"text":"我們在6月6日之前含請了各單位能夠去盤點跟推動計畫的需求預算書呈報本會並於6月14日前出合各計畫經費需求並排列優先順序並於6月24日完成主案審查並完成複審作業"},{"start":10685.472,"end":10703.256,"text":"同時於6月26日召開跨部會審查會議,邀集財政部、主計總處、行政院公共工程委員會等機關就複審結果進行主案延長審議,並於7月18日將審議結果提報國家發展委員會第121次委員會會議,審議通過之後於7月19日呈報行政院。"},{"start":10713.803,"end":10739.064,"text":"對於科技發展計畫預先作業的部分說明如下。國科會於5月底以前請各機關提送計畫,並於6月起針對機關提送之計畫啟動書面及會議審查作業,其中邀集了審查委員、主計處、財政部、數位發展部等單位進行討論跟審議。"},{"start":10742.011,"end":10749.479,"text":"並於7月17日提送國家科學及技術委員會第11次委員會議討論。討論之後將結果於8月14日呈報行政院。後續"},{"start":10758.177,"end":10773.051,"text":"行政院由主計總處會籍本會及國科會先期作業審議結果編據完成前瞻計畫第5期特別預算。行政院於8月22日第3917次院會通過。"},{"start":10774.636,"end":10782.682,"text":"合列前瞻預算第5期特別預算703億包括軌道建設56.64億水環境建設217.97億綠能建設31.57億數位建設123.91億城鄉建設221.46億因應少子化友善育兒空間4.72億食品安全與建設"},{"start":10801.914,"end":10805.157,"text":"本會為前瞻計畫之主管機關並應專案列管考核計畫之執行,並本院依照計畫性質分由"},{"start":10824.127,"end":10844.722,"text":"公共建設委員會以及國科會分別針對工程以及科技相關的預算進行觀考再由本會統籌專案列管以掌握執行的情形。前瞻預算第4期特別預算截至今年9月整體的執行率達到96.92"},{"start":10847.387,"end":10859.333,"text":"為了增進民眾對前瞻計畫的了解,行政院予予全球資訊網建置的前瞻基礎建設專區主動公開訊息,提供民眾及各單位的查詢與參考。"},{"start":10861.465,"end":10888.04,"text":"本會議建置了前瞻計畫施政亮點資訊網提供查詢,針對重要的建設以及亮點建設,提供各種計畫的詳細內容,從期程、說明、效益、經費等均可公開查詢。前瞻計畫推動基金整體計畫涵蓋了經濟、社會、環境層面,逐漸充實了我國產業未來所需基礎建設方面都有實質的幫助。"},{"start":10889.437,"end":10917.263,"text":"包括推動安康輕軌、淡海輕軌、花東雙軌、南回鐵路電氣化等建設都有幫助政府也透過了前瞻預算完成了長期想做未完成的事情例如搬搬遊冷器、公共托育設施、銀華健身紀錄部、學校校園社區改造同時也協助偏鄉建置5G基地台也推動了公有危險建築的補強"},{"start":10918.943,"end":10919.784,"text":"由於前瞻基礎建設屬於連續性計畫"},{"start":10943.68,"end":10973.103,"text":"明年為前瞻計畫最後一年為立前瞻計畫各項基礎建設能夠質詢完成第5期特別編略預算急需在這個會期通過。懇請大院各位委員予以支持以立前瞻計畫能夠持續推動以上報告進行指教並祝各位委員先進身體健康平安如意謝謝大家好謝謝劉主任委員報告好"},{"start":10974.332,"end":10978.793,"text":"報告委員會我們現在休息10分鐘,休息之後我們進行質詢,現在休息"},{"start":11575.034,"end":11586.423,"text":"現在我們繼續開會進行委員質詢。每位委員質詢,詢答時間不得超過15分鐘。輪到質詢的委員,如果不在場,視同放棄。首先,我們請吳思瑤委員質詢。麻煩請卓院長備詢。"},{"start":11607.898,"end":11632.245,"text":"委員長、大師兄、所有的內閣同仁,大家辛苦了。我今天的破題非常清楚,憲法跟預算都無分顏色。無論是藍、是白或是綠,都要客尊憲法。也不論是行政或是立法部門,都同樣要善盡憲法的忠誠義務。"},{"start":11633.965,"end":11634.565,"text":"我首先先表達我的遺憾"},{"start":11664.229,"end":11690.381,"text":"那我常常有個說法現在台灣的政治環境非常的險惡戰場就在立法院這個中國的統戰至高要點再再的點出要用台灣的民主破壞台灣的民主所以我形容它是形同一場隱形的民主政變院長你同意我的觀點嗎"},{"start":11693.085,"end":11714.684,"text":"臺灣是一個民主深化的國家那我們民主可以經由人民的力量來改變那如果用其他非法的行為我想國人是無法接受的是,我們擁有無限強大的隱形席次就是我們的名氣可用了下一頁我所謂的民主政變"},{"start":11715.99,"end":11736.648,"text":"就像無把利刃,刀刀劍鼓刺向臺灣的心臟。第一,擴權。上個會期的國會擴權法案已經證明立法院不應當站在憲法的對立面,大法官的視線已經做出了終極的裁判。"},{"start":11737.749,"end":11765.1,"text":"擴全之後呢又要搶錢這個會期就是我們面臨的譬如才化法的修正案譬如上個會期已經提出富坤級委員的三大前坑法案乃至於原住民的委員或是離島選區的委員分別提出了法案要新設基金這都可能來破壞國家的財政紀律摧毀國家預算的制度這是搶錢"},{"start":11766.661,"end":11781.517,"text":"第三把利刃就是要沒收民權二修選罷法增加罷免的難度向人民珍貴的憲法賦權開刀然後呢摧毀憲法"},{"start":11783.715,"end":11801.774,"text":"在野黨搶修憲法訴訟法我非常遺憾的說似乎在野黨的委員是違憲上癮再一次要提出以修法來取代修憲憲訴法將可能癱瘓我們憲法法庭的運作"},{"start":11802.555,"end":11830.312,"text":"所以從擴權、搶錢、沒收民權乃至於摧毀憲法而現在您站在這裡的此時此刻我們共同要解決的是另外一把大的利刃也就是中國習近平已經想方設法的來下達命令要摧毀賴清德政府可能擁有的執政成績他的方法就是來杯葛總預算"},{"start":11831.613,"end":11832.733,"text":"謝謝委員的提醒憲法是國家的根本大法"},{"start":11849.281,"end":11875.121,"text":"法律更是國人唯一遵守的依據如果都能在這樣的理念之下這個政府的運作就會順暢兩院的關係就會在憲法的架構下互相的平衡也互相的尊重我想人民樂見的應該是這樣子對外可以伸展國家的主權對內可以透過很多福國利民的法案來增進人民的福利這才是未來國家該走的路"},{"start":11875.728,"end":11877.368,"text":"我的辦公室是個聯合國"},{"start":11902.145,"end":11918.614,"text":"每年都有很多從國際讀書回來的學生要在我辦公室實習那我辦公室更是跨族群譬如說我辦公室有客家的年輕幕僚有原住民的年輕幕僚還有新住民的年輕幕僚"},{"start":11919.895,"end":11920.415,"text":"你可以考我的發音喔"},{"start":11945.154,"end":11953.681,"text":"政府總預算案,莫分身無,希望恰恰審查,恰恰通過。您聽得懂我的客家話嗎?"},{"start":11960.862,"end":11982.439,"text":"這是我們四線腔的客語客語這一次如果我們的預算沒有通過客庄地方創生13.5億就受影響了這是客家青年的期盼下一頁我要用原住民族的語言而且非常少見的鄒族語來表達原民朋友的心聲"},{"start":11985.333,"end":11987.136,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":12003.216,"end":12016.486,"text":"這是鄒族語我努力了成立100分謝謝這也是原民的青年我們看到原民的青年最近在串聯他們不希望部分在野的委員拿原住民族進法補償的預算來作為"},{"start":12020.353,"end":12039.223,"text":"政治的犧牲品原民的年輕朋友也在反省也在抵抗同樣的原鄉產業發展如果預算沒有通過一樣十多億沒有辦法支應來再來我要用新著名語我辦公室的同仁來自於越南"},{"start":12054.183,"end":12068.596,"text":"這是越南話新住民的朋友如果總預算沒有通過新住民族的教育預算不管是子女或者是新住民都會受到影響所以我要再次強調"},{"start":12070.333,"end":12092.464,"text":"不分族群都應當受惠於政府總預算讓他們的生活進步都能夠來予以實踐下一頁今天是司堯就任立委這一屆274天我也替您算過了是您就任這個內閣院長165天您還記得您的誓詞嗎宣誓的誓詞"},{"start":12100.252,"end":12120.802,"text":"下一頁我們同樣的不管是立委或是行政院長於是以制成客尊憲法於是以制成客尊國家法令所以無論行政、立法都要客尊憲法我們不期待所有的"},{"start":12122.503,"end":12150.621,"text":"政治工作者宣誓的時候說一套而實際的作為又是另一套如為誓言願受最嚴厲之制裁民意會制裁剛剛院長說得非常好這一頁呢是我上一次在質詢審計部審計部部長我就以這一張這是國家完整的預算制度No one is outsider沒人例外"},{"start":12151.802,"end":12172.972,"text":"預算編轉是行政權,審議預算是立法權,而預算執行是行政權,後端的監督預算的執行是審計權。相關的適用法規,預算法、會計法、決算法、審計法、公庫法、財政紀律法、公債法乃至於憲法。"},{"start":12173.792,"end":12189.867,"text":"所以這就是我們的忠誠義務不是嗎?下一頁但我非常遺憾喔在野黨的委員那一天9月20在這裡是先提案退回總預算案當時是沒有載明理由的"},{"start":12190.983,"end":12191.303,"text":"下一頁。他們"},{"start":12211.758,"end":12226.369,"text":"先退回表決然後才提出相關退回預算的理由而且每一個理由我不想在這裡贅述因為剛剛您都在您清楚的預算報告裡頭回應了這些"},{"start":12227.67,"end":12250.22,"text":"黨預算的理由完全不正當或者是說您也看到了在野黨的委員對於預算編列的一些建議您也提出了解方就在您剛剛報告的文件裡但是藍白的委員不願意來傾聽而這幾點退回預算的理由真的是我懷疑就是國民黨黨團的助理幕僚寫的"},{"start":12251.84,"end":12255.824,"text":"無論如何,我們今天可以報告,我在這裡請求韓國瑜院長,"},{"start":12273.278,"end":12292.235,"text":"總預算只推進了二分之一步,這是很罕見的。過去協商獲得共識來排定總預算審查的期程,它必然是尋答完畢,交付委員會審查,各黨同意,不得異議。"},{"start":12294.005,"end":12308.252,"text":"也就是不提復議我那天在第三次的朝野協商含院長您主持的我把這樣子的過去的慣例向您請求向您呼籲向您提出但是被院長無視"},{"start":12310.25,"end":12329.25,"text":"但我們尊重朝野協商的結論但是我請求就如同我剛剛用客家語用鄒族語用越南語來表達這片土地上不分族群的國人期待總預算不能只進二分之一步我們要進入審查的階段專業來對決"},{"start":12331.753,"end":12360.299,"text":"如果在野黨的委員針對各項預算有疑義回到各該委員會去好好行使審查權我再次懇求韓院長下週二也在這裡卓院長報告完畢之後能不能夠順利復為我希望韓院長能夠一事中立莫忘世間苦人多這是您的名言我想我們持續努力好嗎卓院長"},{"start":12361.079,"end":12375.409,"text":"當然我們必須要更加的努力讓大院的委員能夠了解總預算編列的精神跟他未來執行的結果以及不執行的效果。好,不執行會有什麼效果嗎?會有什麼負面的惡果呢?"},{"start":12376.542,"end":12401.463,"text":"如果總預算不審查、不通過,包括新興計畫、延續性項目新增以及前瞻5期,總共影響了5,299億。下一頁。針對新興新增計畫有2,528億,就包括軍公教的3%調薪,包括癌症新藥的支付,包括我們護理的三班制的加擠,"},{"start":12402.324,"end":12408.923,"text":"包括我們潛艦國造國防預算如果國防預算沒有辦法通過誰最高興中國最高興"},{"start":12409.963,"end":12431.401,"text":"就是新增計畫,延續性項目新增的項目也有2067億,為丁為黨就包括治水預算159億,包括0到6歲國家一起養新增41億,包括要強化我們的AI產業,中小企業還有五大信賴產業加起來有146億,當然包括前瞻5期703億。換言之下一頁,"},{"start":12438.627,"end":12466.514,"text":"二十六億的進法補償來擋三兆的總預算用五萬元民的利益來擋下二三五零萬的全民的福祉他顯不合理尤其這一頁您已經說到大家都會背了憲法七十條預算法九十一條財政紀律法第五條第七條還有財政收支劃分法三十八之一條來下一頁下一頁"},{"start":12467.745,"end":12476.978,"text":"不論誰執政都要克遵憲法這個是國民黨執政國民黨國會多數國民黨的大法官"},{"start":12479.079,"end":12502.587,"text":"任命之下做出來的兩個憲法的裁判是自264號跟是自391號都告訴我們立法委員不能為增加預算之支出因為他會破壞財政紀律會破壞憲法的權利分立原則這就是您說的只此一例否則二例一開後患無窮"},{"start":12503.82,"end":12530.158,"text":"我們後續在針對總預算的審查期間,針對幾個在野黨委員所提出來的方案,我相信我們做好準備,總能夠...謝謝吳斯堯委員的質詢,謝謝卓院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第二號,傅坤祺委員質詢。"},{"start":12569.626,"end":12593.019,"text":"主席請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢副委員好院長好昨天康瑞颱風啊造成台灣非常重大的這樣一個災情請院長先看一下"},{"start":12599.027,"end":12623.527,"text":"這個在花蓮的新城鄉轉播車也在那裡好像碰到龍捲風一樣這個圍牆全垮連這個水泥車也翻倒了這真的是好像一場戰爭過度"},{"start":12625.508,"end":12626.969,"text":"來看一下這個我們的北迴鐵路北迴鐵路"},{"start":12657.554,"end":12671.748,"text":"這個何仁崇德阿來下一張何仁崇德這個又斷掉了齁那這台西一線阿整個邊坡都崩掉了這個院長請教一下什麼時間來勘災阿"},{"start":12674.264,"end":12694.159,"text":"好,報告委員,我們一樣關心整個颱風來臨,尤其花東地區,所以昨天在應變中心,總統也在第一時間跟徐縣長在內的幾位地方首長都通過電話,非常感謝他們,我想這個只要交通,我知道有些路段好像2號會通,"},{"start":12695.666,"end":12698.308,"text":"法律不執行,決議未遵守法律不執行,決議未遵守"},{"start":12726.037,"end":12751.917,"text":"這三件包括禁法補償包括工糧收購還有健保點值這已經通過的法律跟通過的主決議院長到現在還不執行我們真的很詫異我們先看一下這個禁法補償我請問一下院長禁法補償這個案子"},{"start":12754.96,"end":12781.805,"text":"通過的版本是哪一個黨提案的?請院長回答本席的問題嘛今天我們不要用話術很務實討論一下嘛是哪一個黨提的建法補償有民進黨委員提案不是有民進黨委員提案是民進黨委員提案民進黨的三長也有簽字提案"},{"start":12784.246,"end":12808.044,"text":"那這是一個法律案在立法院正式通過那行政院不執行是看不起原住民是嗎委員這樣的指控我們無法銷售那不是看不起原住民那就是欺負原住民是嗎我一再提出預算法91條的程序委員也應該非常清楚這個提案有沒有跟行政院徵詢有沒有跟行政院徵詢過有沒有指明彌補資金之來源"},{"start":12813.946,"end":12840.66,"text":"這是不是一個通過的法律案?總統府有沒有公告?有沒有?總統府有公告。好,然後你不執行。接下來我們再看一下這個公糧收購。委員不能放著法律的規定不講,只講說執不執行的問題。這個法律沒有依照合法的程序制定之後,我們當然要提出我們的救濟方式。有沒有合法程序,你可以做程序的救濟。請問你有沒有提復議?"},{"start":12842.197,"end":12843.698,"text":"十三年沒有調整請問一下農藥"},{"start":12871.243,"end":12883.708,"text":"肥料、工資、央苗通通漲價。十三年不漲,公糧收入只多了五塊錢。請問一下,這個院長,你為什麼又不執行?"},{"start":12893.766,"end":12921.699,"text":"對於這個主決議我們相當慎重地檢討我們也提出了一些看法未來如果照這樣的主決議每年會增加90億元以上的支出那麼同時更嚴重的是未來整個產銷秩序會失衡這是過去歷次以來提高之後所產生的狀況目前這種狀況還是存在的所以農業部提出了一級二轉三加三的方式希望用這個來增加農民的權利"},{"start":12922.526,"end":12934.481,"text":"院會表決的時候提出相關的看法呢?當時也沒有提出來好再來看健保點值健保點值0.95元0.95元"},{"start":12938.639,"end":12965.34,"text":"這是讓您瞧不起原住民欺負原住民瞧不起農民欺負農民現在這不是醫護的問題而已是全國人民健康的醫療品質是不是能夠提升我們沒有瞧不起任何的族群但是請委員要尊重行政院的憲法職權我們看一下健保點子上一頁這一頁"},{"start":12967.507,"end":12995.714,"text":"請問一下執政黨柯建民坑走莊有沒有簽字請問一下執政黨的三長有沒有簽字我們會尊重主決議的這個精神但是我們會有實誠性執政預算的執行全黨上下都共同背書行政院不執行好我們再看看賴清德怎麼講"},{"start":13009.508,"end":13025.976,"text":"前進基隆造勢賴清德喊話開專家會議改革健保給付制度也提出平均健保點值1.1元的目標讓醫界辛苦不在北溪市事隔一天重生絕對和醫界站在同一線我當然知道醫界目前面臨許多問題"},{"start":13027.318,"end":13043.594,"text":"那我是最有誠意也最了解一屆最有能力解決這些問題的人好,最有誠意最有能力解決問題的人我們正在解決民進黨全黨出來背書我們正在解決原來選舉是一件事情執政又是一件事情"},{"start":13044.318,"end":13064.407,"text":"我們正在解決可以前後不一樣我們已經讓人民了解合作的健保總額超過712億這個難道不是在解決嗎這三項法律案跟權益案會增加行政院什麼樣的財政負擔有怎麼樣自然來情請告訴本席"},{"start":13066.138,"end":13078.888,"text":"公糧收購剛剛說過了每年會增加約91億元以上的負擔另外在健保的給付上面我們今年就在明年的預算我們已經包括總額的給付編列了712億的支出對那麼公糧的在進法補償這一項下它不是金額大小之問題"},{"start":13088.976,"end":13111.715,"text":"他不是金額多少是問題他是原則性守不守法的問題任何的不守法一毛錢都不應該不是來這裡吵架 本席在跟你講道理三項總共820幾億我們看一下 110年度中央總預算多編了4282億稅入"},{"start":13116.926,"end":13143.769,"text":"四千兩百多億的增加稅入立法院透過了八百多億你不執行我們都有增加稅數的名誉這三年超收了多少錢這三年不多你們從人民的口袋裡面超收了一兆三千四百二十四億區區八百多億關係全國人民的健康"},{"start":13145.353,"end":13145.973,"text":"過去幾年沒有還財於民嗎?"},{"start":13173.154,"end":13201.522,"text":"人民都有享受到這個經濟成長的果實委員不要這樣偏頗的概念造成錯誤的印象我來告訴你什麼叫財政紀律民國94年立法院的文書請你看清楚民進黨柯建民、趙詠卿、陳景俊、賴清德將老農年金從4000塊提升到5000塊"},{"start":13203.2,"end":13208.045,"text":"一百年九月又是老農年金六千塊增加到七千塊"},{"start":13225.302,"end":13246.992,"text":"柯建民、蔡煌狼、翁金珠提案剛剛賴清德提案現在翁金珠提案增加130多億行政院吳敦義院長馬上3個月之內照辦那個時候是有調整的機制的"},{"start":13248.451,"end":13269.263,"text":"馬上照辦通過委員你都用以偏蓋弦的方式在這裡提出質詢是極端不負責任的民國90年基隆河整治條例三讀通過當時的院長張俊雄馬上來執行95年1月13號什麼水庫整治條例當時的謝長廷院長你的師父"},{"start":13278.59,"end":13294.769,"text":"馬上來進行本期是告訴你以古見今過去所有民進黨自體的提案增加預算的法律提案行政院都有執行都有經過法律的程序"},{"start":13297.15,"end":13298.831,"text":"從陳水扁時代蔡英文時代到現在總共11位行政院長有兩個人做過兩次"},{"start":13326.372,"end":13355.624,"text":"總共9位我不禁很好奇人民腦袋裡大概還記不記得這些人但是唯一記得的一件事情他曾經做過什麼福國利民的事立任的院長、行政院長都尊重立法院但是唯有你卓院長對立法院通過的事務"},{"start":13356.448,"end":13382.026,"text":"完全不執行本席也再告訴你總預算在立法院這位程序委員會總共有前後有6位行政院院長任內包括連戰先生兩次唐飛先生一次陳忠先生一次賴清德先生一次到您總共是6次基本上這些案子大家都有朝野協商來解決"},{"start":13383.667,"end":13403.399,"text":"現在已經6、7個禮拜行政院長兩手一攤我就是瞧不起全國人民你怎麼樣選舉我承諾的是一場誤會選完你奈我何委員你講這種話委員這樣的言論我想連韓院長都無法接受啊你怎麼樣濫用預算我們看一下台電這光光單單這兩三年"},{"start":13414.059,"end":13436.049,"text":"已經撥補了五千億五千億本期現在告訴你能源政策怎麼解決只要不要官商勾結任何問題都可以解決郭部長可以上來一下沒有其他兩位請下去本期要特別請教一下我們的能源政策我們看一下全部的匱限圖匱限圖跟實際發電的光電"},{"start":13443.593,"end":13471.923,"text":"總共申請了6萬6千多枚總共落實執行了3千4百枚百分之五今天就是台電跟能源局的人謀不章把所有國家英辦事項你可以用所有的國有地來發電政府自己來做但你不要透過這些蟑螂民進黨的派系去綁這些"},{"start":13473.103,"end":13474.844,"text":"好,謝謝富坤請委員的質詢。謝謝卓院長、各位部會首長的備詢。"},{"start":13501.997,"end":13505.601,"text":"上午的質詢到此為止。報告委員會我們下午2點30分繼續開會進行質詢。現在休息。"},{"start":21685.024,"end":21713.269,"text":"發言會現在繼續開會。請陳委員召之質詢。謝謝主席。有請卓院長、主計長跟衛福部邱部長。"},{"start":21714.426,"end":21718.05,"text":"主委員長、主計長、衛務部、邱部長請備詢。"},{"start":21733.154,"end":21761.593,"text":"三位首長好那今年初公布了醫院評鑑的結果臺北慈濟雙核醫院還有臺大新竹分院三家醫院升格為醫學中心創下臺灣醫學中心最高的這個紀錄那雖然三位首長當時不在職但我還是要請問卓院長院長您知道這件事的影響嗎我知道三家醫院升格為醫學中心我們的醫學中心總共會增加到22所"},{"start":21763.6,"end":21767.355,"text":"據您了解這個對分歧醫療是好事還是壞事?"},{"start":21769.807,"end":21797.899,"text":"也許對整個醫療的服務量能來看是有所升級但是我們一向在推分級的醫療的制度等等來看它或許有它另外一個影響也不一定院長我很高興說我上次在總質詢的時候您主動有提到事實上根據醫療網的這個計畫臺灣應該是兩百萬人口一家醫學中心好那我們考慮到新竹一日人口從這個新竹臺北深閣這個"},{"start":21799.48,"end":21801.202,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":21823.594,"end":21843.652,"text":"衛福部根本就是帶頭破壞分級醫療制度所以10月27號監察院通過了對衛福部的糾正案監察院指出衛福部無視作業程序規定進行增額評定臺北區醫學中心已經傷害醫院評鑑公信力請問院長你知道這是誰的決策嗎?"},{"start":21846.58,"end":21869.57,"text":"他經過評鑑小組共同決定那未來會不會應該已經會成立一個評鑑小組的改革的機制改革的小組甚至將來是不是要演繹提升整個評鑑的基準讓這個評審能夠更精確院長請您看一下頭影片你能不能幫我指出薛前部長、陳時中前部長跟王必勝前次長這三個人的共同點"},{"start":21871.636,"end":21876.544,"text":"院長,太明顯了啦,整個議界都心知肚明,他們都來自同一所學校。"},{"start":21886.707,"end":21914.935,"text":"早在醫院評鑑之前醫界就盛傳說萬芳醫院會從醫學中心降為準醫學中心那臺北慈濟會取代它成為醫學中心然後莫名其妙的過去都是年底公布啊但是最近是一直到今年大選後才公布那最後臺北慈濟如外傳的它升為醫學中心那原本要降為準醫學中心的這個萬芳醫院卻維持住了醫學中心"},{"start":21915.655,"end":21936.053,"text":"然後很意料很意外的雙核醫院竟然成為醫學中心然後增加了臺大新竹為醫學中心這當作一個陪襯跟一個掩護看到這個結果整個醫界都跳腳了醫務管理學會弘理市長他質疑這個做法究竟是誰受益"},{"start":21937.438,"end":21953.059,"text":"我當時有質詢薛前部長是否專門為某個門系來護航他回答我說這是臆測之詞我現在想問院長薛前部長這樣算不算圖利罪圖利自己的學校算不算圖利罪"},{"start":21954.37,"end":21975.664,"text":"圖利罪要有更明確的事證那他們這個背景相同背景相同他破壞了這個規範把這個當時改變遊戲規則我今天不在這邊多說時間也改變遊戲規則也改變這個是不是要立刻收押進建啊圖利罪耶既然捐財案都提出糾正案了那衛福部誰該負責院長衛福部誰該負責這個整個"},{"start":21981.791,"end":21999.851,"text":"總不能說他們兩個都卸任嗎?這個不用說明,邱部長當時也不在職,我們都很清楚這件事發生了,發生切實。所以說主計長我想請問你,當一家醫院升格為醫學中心,您認為他這樣子會增加您收益有多少?主計長你有資料嗎?"},{"start":22001.544,"end":22001.604,"text":"主席"},{"start":22017.525,"end":22026.811,"text":"報告委員,這個因為是今年才開始實行,所以我想我們會統計他對財務的衝擊,以及我們統計民眾的就醫的狀況的變化。請問院長下次評鑑的時候可不可以回歸到醫療網計畫?是不是要回歸到200萬,如果台灣應該只有2400萬人口,200萬大概12家左右,大家來競爭嘛,不是這樣無限制一直增加啊?"},{"start":22045.74,"end":22065.849,"text":"議長這樣可以嗎?不僅跟委員報告,我們也應該趁這個機會向國人跟整個醫界說明可以嗎?下一次評鑑的時候,回歸醫療網計畫在進行評鑑的時候,務必要重新調整這一次外界的意見那麼它已經有改革小組,已經有提高標準等等要回歸到專業,更有公信力我聽到你的承諾,謝謝你因為醫界跟民間對這個決定都憂心忡忡"},{"start":22069.631,"end":22085.868,"text":"社區醫院協會主理市長指出,這樣反而會造成民眾後診時間變長,醫院往返的路程變遠,家屬也需要多陪同等等,反而使民眾就醫的成本增加。醫改會也說,有半數的醫學中心都在雙北地區,區域正義何在?"},{"start":22090.709,"end":22099.662,"text":"那衛福部考慮過民眾就醫負擔的衝擊嗎?以及醫療資源分布均的影響嗎?我可不可以請院長回答?衛福部有考慮這些事嗎?這些事重要嗎?"},{"start":22100.985,"end":22117.954,"text":"剛剛委員所說那幾項都應該是我們在推行醫療服務整個量能讓它均衡化的過程當中重要的幾項我要告訴院長的是當時衛福部說新北區增加兩家醫學中心健保醫療費用推估支出月1億6千萬點對財務健保影響很低"},{"start":22121.414,"end":22137.964,"text":"我覺得很誇張耶!原來一億六千萬點對外服務是小錢耶!外服務如此信口開河一億六千萬點就這樣撒出去然後回頭告訴立法院跟議界朋友說明年我們努力努力讓點值提升到0.95我們能接受嗎?"},{"start":22139.892,"end":22162.241,"text":"我希望衛部這種講法他應該要重新的在思考我們考量的不是金額支出的多少而已而是這整個制度改變之後增加之後對民眾是不是有好的醫療服務而且整個醫療水準是不是有提升我剛剛提的數字我想邱部長都有數那我就讓院長也知道院長我在台大醫院服務了10年有一位教授朋友他定期會給我一些這個從"},{"start":22163.781,"end":22164.942,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":22188.103,"end":22203.257,"text":"那很奇妙的每次醫院評鑑的時候這些病人跟病床又會消失掉因為我們誰都知道把病床放在大廳不合格不管是隱私、感染、不符合病床的標準這個都是不合格但是它是常態"},{"start":22205.529,"end":22219.31,"text":"院長我明白齁臺大醫院或一些醫學中心是國人心目中的神醫院啊大家看病都往這裡跑但也不能這樣放任啊你不能把這個理所當然的完全不思改善啊部長怎麼辦"},{"start":22220.68,"end":22242.076,"text":"報告委員們非常重視這個問題,像這個是臺大醫院的,其實臺大醫院的院長跟我澄清,就是說常常都是在禮拜一的時候,特別因為又要等開刀,部長都沒有藉口,這是長期的,但是禮拜二就會疏散了,"},{"start":22242.916,"end":22270.994,"text":"所以有時候不是每一天都這樣子但是整個有各個醫學中心發生這種情況的我們都有去瞭解去解決困難144都很清楚144都很清楚好我們看健保法第62在協商的時候邱副長您親手寫下這個主決議嘛就是努力在明年6月達到這個平均點1.0.95元那在委員會協商的時候部長跟健保組首長都說出了這個需要700億"},{"start":22273.632,"end":22298.27,"text":"而且還說如果點值是億的話需要一千億後來林靜瑜次長也是這樣說0.95需要700億那700億這個數字在當時在場人都記憶猶新我相信當天緊盯國會頻道的所有一屆朋友也都聽到了我想請問主計長就你所知衛福部這個有把這個保障點值0.95的700億編到預算書裡嗎有嗎"},{"start":22302.438,"end":22322.552,"text":"主計長你有嗎?因為我找不到請教你這個專家你有找到嗎?報告委員我們今年在那個投注在健保的部分金額是336億可是本身在因為健保現在是總額制嘛那我們在總額在增加5%點多的時候那也是增加了"},{"start":22323.112,"end":22344.558,"text":"主計長我還是請你幫忙搞清楚包括剛剛一個醫院能夠升格為醫學中心到底年收益增加多少我根本看不到前預算在哪裡衛福部講不清楚結果用了下面這張圖來搪塞我們你看下面這張圖院長部長衛福部一直對外說今年以高推估5.5%計算加上行政院挹注的主計長講的336億元東湊西湊就有700億"},{"start":22349.76,"end":22370.315,"text":"東湊西湊我認為這個七百億需要釐清一下我們來看這個圖上的這個健保財務協助方案休會期間我跟陳菊惠文舉辦了一個百億癌藥基金會那為止都非常熟悉喔也非常關心癌症必有權益今年2024年健保署放在新藥新特載暫時性的支付的這個全年經費是24億元"},{"start":22372.637,"end":22374.858,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":22393.628,"end":22416.26,"text":"原有的戰時性支付原有的癌症基金都一定會保留原來在總額裡面的這個是比較深刻、深要戰時性的支付我要部長確定喔因為如果你把它挪移了或歸零你這個50億就不是真的我們一年花在癌症的1200億你對外宣稱撥50億"},{"start":22420.902,"end":22436.867,"text":"你不要把今年的東西刪掉,挪移這個是因為我們政府體諒到有一些新要,它可能還在Category 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有的國人"},{"start":23303.642,"end":23328.957,"text":"其實風災過後應該是會應該是要到這個災區去看一看我們明天就會去看那現在很多軍公教的朋友說那明年加薪3%怎麼辦很多里長遇到我們那現在就說這個1.5個月年終會議應該怎麼辦我們一起努力啦還是可以在必要的時間之前完成這個所有相關的程序我們一起努力雖然這個院長是樂觀主義者沒有辦法"},{"start":23329.977,"end":23352.441,"text":"但是如果你要想到這個最壞的結果,如果下禮拜二這個總預算諮詢結束之後,在野黨仍然杯葛總預算,不讓總預算復違的話,那行政院要怎麼因應呢?我們就只能就剛剛委員前一題所提到的,在法律的規定底下,就一些必要的支出,法律的支出來做執行。"},{"start":23353.149,"end":23362.351,"text":"其他所有的就暫時要等到大院審議完成之後那日期我們現在無法在這裡做預測但我還是希望能夠盡快在法定期間"},{"start":23363.422,"end":23386.198,"text":"我是希望能夠通過那我也希望在野黨不要在中央在立法院黨預算然後回到地方之後就說我今天在這個立法院在哪個部會爭取了什麼預算回去這是矛盾的嘛那這個當然院長是很樂觀院長也希望說在下禮拜二之後"},{"start":23387.143,"end":23400.559,"text":"預算能夠順利的復尾但是呢還是要想到一個最壞的一個情況報告委員我們現在比較擔心的是我們針對大家爭議的幾項事情我們一直針對問題提出方法但是"},{"start":23401.967,"end":23420.744,"text":"有部分的委員所看到的就只是問題而沒有詳細看我們的方法所以一直認為是有問題而無方法這個是造成錯誤的解讀非常的不好因為我看到早上國民黨的這個總召對你拍桌子我在想說這樣子拍桌子拍了6下拍下去這禮拜二還有機會再復委嗎有啦"},{"start":23424.947,"end":23445.114,"text":"還是有信心?還是抱著希望?只能抱著樂觀的信心這是為大家要做更多的事情,把必要的事情做好其實齁,台灣的今年經濟成長是真的很不錯齁我看今天報紙還寫GDP的成長今年有可能破四然後呢,我也看到了這一個財政部的資料齁"},{"start":23446.058,"end":23463.108,"text":"今年一到九月中央政府的付稅的這個徵收的情況呢其實大部分都達標甚至還超過綜合所得稅、遺產稅、這個證券交易稅、期貨交易稅這些前九個月我們的稅率已經超過全年的預算數了"},{"start":23463.948,"end":23488.223,"text":"所以沒有意外的話,前9月的這個超收的比例來推估,今年大概這個稅收啦,這個負稅的收入大概可以超過預算的2500億,那請問一下院長,這個要怎麼去做運用?這個預估的事情啦,我們當然期待...因為到9月啦,其實部長在這邊,這個大概我推估的應該不會太離譜吧?"},{"start":23490.289,"end":23495.094,"text":"是,跟委員說明今年的113年的稅務實徵實際收入數已經達成全年預算數的90%那在稅客收入的部分"},{"start":23501.041,"end":23517.934,"text":"是達成全年的預算數的92%那我們會認為說今年的稅客收入會達成預算數沒有問題但是會超過預算數多少那我們認為要到11月中比較精確因為10月的時候還有一個盈利事業的站腳稅款會進來那會在10月份陸續進來那11月中會比較確定"},{"start":23522.077,"end":23522.457,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":23548.468,"end":23558.23,"text":"稅客收入也增加了大概20%增加了大概4600億左右那財政部為什麼從過去的保守會變成現在比較熱觀的底氣在哪裡"},{"start":23559.356,"end":23587.23,"text":"跟委員報告對於稅收的估測我們從112年開我們就開始設立了一個估測專案小組也就是說對阿沒有我是說你增加了稅客增加了20%喔對那這個部分有幾個增加的比較多第一個就是營所稅因為就營利事業在113年的那個好的一個獲利成績會在114年呈現所以113年他們的獲利比112年來得好所以營所稅有增加中所稅的部分是因為有調薪"},{"start":23598.473,"end":23614.52,"text":"好,謝謝李委員好,謝謝卓院長下一位下一位請林思明委員質詢"},{"start":23629.517,"end":23635.688,"text":"好,謝謝主席,請我們院長、行政院長來,左院長請背詢"},{"start":23644.733,"end":23663.255,"text":"委員長,我想還是針對今天的主題我想這一檔針對總預算的這個編製的最主要今天把總預算一直沒有辦法進到這個委員會來審查我想我們提出非常明確的一個三個主張"},{"start":23664.773,"end":23693.205,"text":"那我想從早上到現在我對於行政院就這三個主張並沒有很明確的回答所以我還是一一的來這個很理性很誠懇的來就教院長院長我想我們先談這個進法補償條例這個條例在今年的6月4號三讀通過然後在6月24號賴清德總統也公布施行"},{"start":23694.581,"end":23717.129,"text":"這個法案也是由貴黨的吳立華、陳穎委員他們來提出也有這個民進黨的委員將近30位來連署通過。第6條就明定把我們的進法補償金從114年起從原本的3萬元增加到6萬元"},{"start":23718.533,"end":23737.777,"text":"但是我們看行政院這次送來的114年度的總預算書裡面對於這個原民會的預算只編列了4萬元就禁法補償金你從原本的3萬增加到4萬而沒有編足到6萬我想請問院長原因是什麼"},{"start":23738.496,"end":23752.845,"text":"好,謝謝委員有機會再次的說明我很清楚整個修法的過程它變成一個修法的法律之後它效率如何我很清楚但是我要請委員看一下我們在今天早上的報告裡面我特別提到"},{"start":23753.886,"end":23777.282,"text":"要課分憲法70條跟預算法91條尤其是預算法91條他說增加稅數的時候要徵詢行政院並且要指出米平資金的來源我想徵詢行政院跟資金來源這兩項在當初立法的時候是否有所忽略我們共同來檢討一下但是如果這個變成現在的狀況"},{"start":23779.764,"end":23805.818,"text":"如果大家往後還是在這個憲法的精神跟預算法、財政紀律法規定底下那今年明年的預算我們想辦法來尋找資金的來源但這個原則要先確立起來委員長您這意思我想您也講過很多次了你一直認為說這次的這個法案的整個通過你認為違反憲法70條或者是該提到的預算法91條就在整個立法的過程中好像行政院都沒有參與"},{"start":23807.159,"end":23810.89,"text":"但是院長您這種說法我想我們沒有辦法接受"},{"start":23811.926,"end":23838.011,"text":"我想不管是憲法70條講的跟我們這一所謂預算案不能增加支出跟這一次通過的法律案今天早上傅昆齊總召也提出過去我們在立法院很多的法案裡面提到如果有關於相關預算要增加的話那麼行政院會盡量的來跟立法部門來溝通然後來這個達到法案需求的一個預算數這是第一點"},{"start":23839.071,"end":23847.259,"text":"第二點如果講預算法裡面說要跟行政院來這個徵詢行政院的意見這個部分我要告訴院長"},{"start":23849.857,"end":23869.369,"text":"陳穎委員或吳立華委員表示在整個立法過程中,包括我們原民會主委也在這裡,都告訴我們的原民他們都有跟行政院做非常多次的溝通,所以他們才會把這個數字提高到6萬元。"},{"start":23870.49,"end":23891.627,"text":"所以今天法案通過了行政院、縣財才告訴我們說當初你的立法非常草率啊,行政院不知道啊我沒有用草率兩個字,我說我們來檢討這個過程是不是有所疏忽,我沒有用草率兩個字所以這個就造成一個,我們會這個,原民會覺得說,或者我們的全國人民會覺得"},{"start":23897.054,"end":23917.841,"text":"所以您要在這個整個立法的過程中您就要講清楚說明白嘛我們曾經表示過我再請教你一件事情大家一直在談的這一次你編4萬元是OK所以你在預算書編了28億1600多萬"},{"start":23921.345,"end":23923.978,"text":"但是為什麼編6萬元就不行呢?"},{"start":23925.862,"end":23951.997,"text":"我們在協商之前我們表示過如果從3萬調整到4萬那行政院可以同意一起來尋找所以委員91條預算法91條它還有一個行為就是要指明彌補資金之來源那在這個修法的過程當中完全沒有說那這增加的預算來源從何而來從來沒有指出我一直剛才跟你講說希望你很誠懇的告訴我們社會大眾"},{"start":23952.677,"end":23961.107,"text":"因為你說編4萬可以而且你甚至說現在把法案通過這部法案未來你不排除這個4限編4萬不叫違憲編6萬叫違憲這個邏輯在哪裡我想我們真的"},{"start":23968.677,"end":23971.098,"text":"陳銀委員或吳立華委員或貴黨委員都很清楚地告訴我們"},{"start":23994.656,"end":24018.435,"text":"他是有跟行政院溝通的他有跟原民會溝通因為當時的爭議大概就是4萬塊你剛提到的但是最後溝通的結果行政院並沒有反對提高到6萬這個說法不對我並沒有責怪任何委員我只是溝通過程我們的意見沒有被充分的尊重只能這麼說你沒有被尊重你這樣說那這個法案已經三讀通過了"},{"start":24019.434,"end":24034.37,"text":"也三讀通過了請問您還是堅持己見嗎?現在我們的方式是那未來大院在進行相關的修法或預算的時候是不是會依照憲法跟預算法的規定?講的我們都尊重"},{"start":24035.11,"end":24052.649,"text":"但是我現在說當初在立法的過程中已經造成了這樣子三讀通過法律已經是這樣一個法案但是院長您還不願意依照我們立法院三讀通過的法律來去依法行政編列相關預算?行政院代頭違法嗎?"},{"start":24056.053,"end":24085.029,"text":"我早上報告講得非常清楚只要兩院未來在憲法跟預算法的精神底下互相尊重我們來想辦法找出資金的來源來處理嘛我早上也都講得非常清楚您所謂的要找出一個共同延伸妥適的解方啊你的解方是什麼就是第一個我們之間兩院之間要客尊憲法跟預算法的規定互相尊重"},{"start":24086.431,"end":24111.021,"text":"行政院尊重立法院的審查權這不是說白話嗎?院長?沒有沒有沒有,這次就沒有我們不會尊重嗎?你尊重我,我尊重你我們本來就是站在互相尊重的立場行政院尊重立法院的審議立法院尊重行政院的預算權如果草野 行政院還要立法,行政院把立法院當作你的立法局嗎?委員你有沒有繼續看一下,如果草野可以獲得這樣的共識"},{"start":24112.455,"end":24113.416,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":24127.701,"end":24152.467,"text":"你希望找共識嗎?好,那您的...我們可以來就明年度的淨法補償那兩萬塊錢我們來尋找適當的資金來源來支應沒錯,我也想聽到你講這句話早上就寫了啊那你所謂的適當的來源的你是從什麼科目裡面去支應這兩萬元那這個我希望朝委之間還有共識我們一定會找出一個方法的今天我在這問你你今天還要找共識現在你就可以直接回答啦因為我們如果說"},{"start":24157.015,"end":24177.111,"text":"所以是這三個方案如果有更好的方法我們也願意討論我想大家對於綜合發展基金裡面去做編列大家很有意見更何況立法院在2017年的時候就通過組決議希望不要再從綜合這個範疇裡面去編這個預算所以"},{"start":24182.295,"end":24182.495,"text":"我的...我的..."},{"start":24212.09,"end":24239.599,"text":"議員長﹖"},{"start":24239.679,"end":24240.16,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":24259.739,"end":24280.708,"text":"那行政院也積極的來跟我們立法院來溝通做出善意的回應但是現在以您現在的做法我們立法院或者我們在野黨團感受不到您的善意您一直堅持說大家要取得共識但共識是什麼我想我們要的共識就是說您很明確告訴"},{"start":24281.772,"end":24287.334,"text":"我剛剛已經跟委員講過如果朝野有這種共識而且對於我們用二倍金或是用追加預算也都能夠取得共識的話那我們就朝這個方向走"},{"start":24308.942,"end":24330.277,"text":"這個絕對沒有問題啊但是第一個前提一定要完成啊將來就是在憲法跟預算法的精神底下你不要預設錢這沒有什麼這個前提我覺得不成立因為本來就是這樣本來就是要遵守憲法的規定本來就是要遵守預算法的規定原來就沒有啊原來這一次我們認為有所欠缺你認為沒有我認為有好那我們把它補起來以後不會有這種現象"},{"start":24335.06,"end":24336.782,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":24360.522,"end":24373.993,"text":"是在二倍金或者追加預算的方式我們來做討論因為委員在黨團也是重要的幹部您的一席話是應該代表國民黨黨團的意見這部分我們可以來取得共識是否委員的一席話代表國民黨黨團的意見接下來這個院長我要問你有關於這個我們公糧收購的這個部分我先問你那個健保點子好了我想健保點子"},{"start":24387.455,"end":24406.823,"text":"那裡總統在競選的時候公開承諾就是他必須要把健保點值從0.9塊朝向1.1塊邁進讓一屆對健保點值的改革充滿期待但是我們立法院順應這次順應一屆來提出相關的修法"},{"start":24408.203,"end":24424.812,"text":"那除了說讓醫療品質更好也是間接維護了我們全民的健康至少我們認為健保點子要保一但是我想我們在這次修法的過程中衛福部對於這個能不能達到一他一直有意見"},{"start":24425.592,"end":24452.361,"text":"所以我們在協商過程中才這個退而求其次那麼經過三檔的大家的一個協商就認為說希望能夠在這個明年6月30號達到0.95這樣的一個目標要達到這個目標要大概一年要這個700億700億左右但是我們就是在這一次的預算書裡面我們看不到這700億編補在我們的總預算書裡面"},{"start":24456.147,"end":24484.364,"text":"所以到底說衛福部或者行政院你所謂的要達到0.95的這樣子的一個值啊你到底你要如何做你要如何做院長你今天的當然您今天的報告裡面講得非常的清楚就是說你總共可能未來總共加起來大概有712億大概712億這樣的一個預算來去做一個補充的話可以讓明年的健保點值可以達到0.95"},{"start":24485.885,"end":24503.282,"text":"我這個解讀有沒有錯誤?712億是我們明年關於預註健保財務以及從公務預算移出的這個部分加起來我們會達到以及這個健保總額增加提高到5.5%的這個算起來會有大概712億是直接在健保的相關預算裡面"},{"start":24509.287,"end":24523.511,"text":"所以你不是把它編在總預算書直接把它譯註到建保裡面部分是部分是 增加好像是200多億嘛 對不對181億 建保用公務預算你們是補181億嘛那改善建保的有336億是"},{"start":24529.292,"end":24531.873,"text":"民進黨最後一秒我希望說你用這個方式來做編制"},{"start":24564.099,"end":24578.611,"text":"好,謝謝林委員謝謝卓院長報告委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽喜的是新北市新莊高中的同學我們在此歡迎他們大立法院參訪"},{"start":24581.621,"end":24607.835,"text":"下一位請林國成委員質詢好,謝謝主席請卓院長請卓院長備詢我們農業部陳部長農業部陳部長請備詢"},{"start":24617.889,"end":24644.624,"text":"好 院長辛苦了昨天慷慨颱風我看全國農民啊災損一定很嚴重那因為今天啊院長還有部長在我們本院那當然初步啊底下一定會回報我要請教我們陳部長"},{"start":24646.338,"end":24668.474,"text":"到底初步的回報有沒有跟卓院長報告的我跟委員報告就是今天早上就是我們的同仁分了兵分了好幾路特別在花東的地區本身他普遍性的災害是相當嚴重的然後在漁業的部分的漁港的部分的一些漁法"},{"start":24669.395,"end":24669.916,"text":"其實坦白講"},{"start":24695.714,"end":24721.461,"text":"我對於你從頭到現在為止本席對於你在整個為人處事執政方面我還是高度肯定但是有一個問題其實我每當看到我們立法院民進黨同事一直在指責這些預算就是國中兩黨在作祟"},{"start":24725.933,"end":24750.296,"text":"我要跟你講一個問題他是退回城市委員會還有空間並非退到行政院去奇怪了呢那現在為什麼都要指責我們反對黨在阻擋這些預算呢就像今天院長你來到這裡很好啊該罵你的人就罵"},{"start":24751.573,"end":24770.716,"text":"不該罵你的人就像我就不會罵你啊我認為這是好的開始也要謝謝我們立法院韓院長跟我們江院長他的努力三黨最後做四度的退讓由你來先做報告最後再來做決定"},{"start":24771.477,"end":24772.898,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":24796.161,"end":24804.621,"text":"勸我們院長有時候你拋開政黨拋開其他的思考邏輯是可以解決的"},{"start":24805.816,"end":24827.948,"text":"因為我看陳主計長也到我們黨團去做說明第一,原住民的建華補償他有替代方案雖然不能馬上解決但是最後還是會解決嘛這是一個方法另外,點值的問題建保的點值我在想"},{"start":24829.79,"end":24849.191,"text":"這個邱部長也講得很清楚雖不滿意但最起碼是有動作的是有方法的只有什麼立法院做一個退讓的一步你可以來做編列預算的報告那這些如何解決其實院長"},{"start":24849.972,"end":24878.084,"text":"我為什麼從黨團開會跟我自己本身對於這件事情我都講一句話或許是因為我們這個三個法律案通過不管是主決議不管是法律案都一樣三黨都是有共識的這沒有說三黨是哪一個沒有意見但是有一點我曾經就偷偷的告訴我們黨團"},{"start":24879.949,"end":24900.687,"text":"人家行政院編列在先,我們法案通過在後。這個部分就是卓院長的、議師的一線之隔,也就是你的認定。如果把這個理由講出來,一定有我告訴你啦,你不分明喔。"},{"start":24902.185,"end":24931.32,"text":"不是像你想的這樣不是像民進黨到現在為止委員我都一直保證非常樂觀的如果每個委員先進都像委員這樣的想法那國家就可以成功了啦所以燕子啊當然有少部分但是他的堅持是堅持華麗那你的堅持說沒有告知其實不需要我不是堅持沒有告知我是說未來在立法的過程當中一定要履行這樣的程序"},{"start":24932.02,"end":24959.878,"text":"要徵詢、要指出來源否則今年可能二十幾億、未來可能更多錢那行政院的預算權將會破壞無疑我也不見得說立法院、大院一定會這樣子但是我們如果能夠依此建立一個模式法律、憲法之下的模式讓未來的兩院有更好的互動基礎我想這個都是往成功的路上走你這個堅持我也不反對但是立法院還是有立法院的立場"},{"start":24960.678,"end":24967.99,"text":"如果各退讓一步就會像今天你可以上台啦所以我特別要呼籲我們院長我認識的卓榮泰院長"},{"start":24971.786,"end":24991.065,"text":"我希望像過去一樣是能很會協調事情是以柔克剛的施政方式可是我看起來現在不是啊所以院長我真的啦滿期待過去的卓榮泰是現在的行政院長的卓榮泰的處事風格"},{"start":24991.445,"end":25012.006,"text":"所以在這裡原則性的問題可以討論但不能破壞討論出一個方式以後大家照這個原則來走我想我們的立場都可以互相調整這個可以實體下協調啦實體下協調立法院有立法院的立場立法院在立法的時候沒有什麼處處要先跟照會行政院沒有那回事啦"},{"start":25012.426,"end":25039.087,"text":"要不要編是你行政院所以院長我不會跟你吵架91條規定就是這樣子預算法他規定是這樣沒有先詐會只是經會的來源我們要附帶去提醒但是不要忘了這些東西爭這個沒有意思因為到最後還是要解決所以院長我還是建議你們立法院有立法院的立場到現在為止我有時候聽不下去到現在為止"},{"start":25039.727,"end":25059.619,"text":"五十一個民進黨議員從來沒有跟我們溝通過任何事啊沒有啊只有陳主計長有來溝通我們聽了陳主計長在拜訪我也在啊你看看我跟他怎麼講我說把他講清楚這樣有時候我們雖然只有8票但是是關鍵的8票我們也知道怎麼處理"},{"start":25060.359,"end":25085.451,"text":"所以那天我們就談得很好啊因為只要有方法解決可以解決的方法不要堅持只見我相信任何事情因為卓院長也是在為臺灣人民做事立法院也是在替臺灣人民來做事所以說實在目標一致只是在形式上認知有所差距可是最後是可以解決啦"},{"start":25087.992,"end":25092.858,"text":"我主題就很簡單我拉回來 一定 吃米要知道米嫌 農民的痛苦一定要知道陳部長 你是 院長他是"},{"start":25106.638,"end":25126.329,"text":"主管所有政策的指導,但是在執行的話,陳部長,我說實在,我不知道到現在為了這個事情,人家健保點數也有替代方案,人家原住民的淨化補償也有替代方案,你的替代方案是什麼?"},{"start":25127.631,"end":25144.663,"text":"我跟委員報告齁其實在主決議裡面一個非常重要的共同目標就是要確保農民的所得嘛這個精神是在的那我們提出來了一個一級二轉三加三的方案就是透過產地價的提高才確保所有的農民的你如果再說到這個我就覺得說你這些噱頭我都贊成這個絕對不是噱頭"},{"start":25153.069,"end":25163.464,"text":"可是你看不出對這個事情有幫助啊來我只有問你一個問題來我們這個公娘說過其目的是什麼你告訴我"},{"start":25164.963,"end":25183.27,"text":"公糧開始收購的時候是要去鼓勵農民去種植水稻因為當時的時候糧食是不夠的是來接下來呢為什麼要補助為什麼要收購沒有那現在目前本身我們的供需裡面每一年多了20萬公噸"},{"start":25184.878,"end":25206.228,"text":"那公糧制度還是在那邊我跟妳講,吃米要知道米價農民13年來在這個部分從10塊錢慢慢慢慢調,已經13年沒有調來,我跟妳講當初為什麼要收購這個公糧第一是戰備準備量"},{"start":25209.151,"end":25217.018,"text":"這第一第二保證農民他有一定的這些收入照顧農民"},{"start":25220.957,"end":25241.511,"text":"我跟委員報告齁公糧的一個收購只是在確保農民收益的一部分那最重要的是我們每一年針對稻農的投入大概有153億然後如果說加上現有的公糧收購已經244億我跟妳講啦"},{"start":25244.793,"end":25261.386,"text":"其實針對這個問題我相信我們卓院長我跟你講沒錯現在算起來你們算起來要九十幾億事實上算起來只有六十幾億啦我坦白跟你講這個部分啦即使農民真的是苦哈哈十三年來他沒有賺錢"},{"start":25265.149,"end":25294.012,"text":"我跟你們講沙頭生意有人做啦虧錢生意沒有人做農民啊是因為沒有辦法他是農民他的思考邏輯就是說我正中啊我正中啊他不是我跟你講這個我是農家主帝我很會做的公糧的問題我坦白跟你講我坦白跟你講大量種植絕對不可能因為無利口徒農民只是那溫三寶"},{"start":25295.282,"end":25297.485,"text":"這兩個政策是矛盾的那我只提供一個數據委員報告"},{"start":25315.967,"end":25335.247,"text":"十三年來公糧沒有提高但是這幾年來透過我們的相關的倒做試選山產地價格提高了大概一百塊換算成公斤的話是每一公斤也差不多提高了三塊換句話說我不需要提高公糧的價格我只要提高產地價格還是能夠確保農民的收益"},{"start":25336.848,"end":25357.226,"text":"這是你的促銷嘛跟你的政策是有衝突的嘛你跟我談這個什麼一級二轉三加三那是促銷嘛幫農民促銷是你的責任這不是促銷這是一個產業結構的一個調整什麼不是促銷呢我跟你講公糧收購是政策"},{"start":25357.978,"end":25358.499,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":25378.962,"end":25379.403,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":25394.292,"end":25409.51,"text":"坦白講 你要叫他大量去種那個公糧啊 他不會 為什麼 你們在一集二轉 三加三 你們既然有這麼好的價錢 我幹嘛要交給你公糧 不會 所以"},{"start":25409.83,"end":25425.866,"text":"委員一句話他會吸引一些原來交過民糧的這個農民會把他的道具送到公糧收購因為民糧跟公糧現在有差距那是賣不出去的時候那民糧他的這個品牌長年推動的優良的品牌就會受到傷害價格就會波動一定"},{"start":25428.248,"end":25444.796,"text":"農業部說沒有做事對他們不公平確確實實不管是三毫米啊什麼什麼米啊確實就有做促銷但是我不希望部長的觀念你的促銷把政策現在公良收購是政策"},{"start":25445.407,"end":25457.902,"text":"如果你認為政策不好那你就不要做那不要做你要過渡期阿三年五年我就不收了阿但是我提醒你這是戰備的存量"},{"start":25459.156,"end":25474.708,"text":"這不是我收來只有顧農民說比較好聽的是在顧農民是在想我們戰備糧如果不充足也不行啊我跟委員報告喔您講得非常好就是說我們的很多工糧一部分是做戰備糧"},{"start":25475.569,"end":25493.361,"text":"那以現在我們的庫存法定的是3個月可是現在我們的庫存平均供糧大概有7個月到9個月然後再加上民糧的話可以維持至少14個月所以至少可以維持14個月我告訴你啦,柏定,我不想跟你扮啦你有資料你就說我這個政策要取消"},{"start":25495.604,"end":25519.178,"text":"你還沒有取消以前現在是政策你很簡單你該補的就補那怎麼樣去補我同意卓院長所講的以柔克剛的施政方式大家談清楚大家了解大家共同為我們的農民去做這些最好的Ending這才是好不能像這樣啦不定 我跟你講"},{"start":25523.265,"end":25523.285,"text":"好"},{"start":25552.884,"end":25573.133,"text":"二、謝謝林委員、謝謝卓院長。八月會現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是來自台北市南港高中的170位同學。我們在此歡迎他們。下一位請陳冠廷委員質詢。"},{"start":25584.895,"end":25587.49,"text":"麻煩請主席請院長請卓院長備詢"},{"start":25598.792,"end":25616.994,"text":"委員好 非常好 剛才我在看我們的總預算的相關的報告書那我看到我們的明年的稅數預算已經增加到3兆1000多億那比起去年來講增加是2800多億那我同時也看到我們的債務比例大概是28%"},{"start":25619.449,"end":25634.248,"text":"28%在我們的GDP這樣子說起來的話其實比許多先進國家來比是非常少的不管是對日本甚至是對現在的中國來講以這樣子的經濟表現那是全民的努力跟行政團隊的努力"},{"start":25635.008,"end":25659.708,"text":"我們也希望全民的經濟成果全民共享所以均衡台灣賴清德總統不斷地在強調這個概念就是希望說包含資源的分配上面包含首都的減壓方面包含預算的分配上面都能夠讓所有的縣市都能夠一起成長然後一起分享所以前瞻基礎的計畫我必須講這8年前這幾年來其實是"},{"start":25663.991,"end":25681.263,"text":"不管是在水環境的建設來去增強我們的防洪韌性或者是在軌道建設在我們民雄的鐵路高架化那都是徹底的改變我們的地形地貌讓我們的國家甚至是一些中南部地區能夠得到未來成長的這個基礎"},{"start":25683.41,"end":25706.452,"text":"那還有這種道路品質、校舍的這些協助社區、公共據點、服務的整備我相信在蔡英文總統的時期到現在已經奠定了非常好的基礎來去完成未來賴總統這個均衡台灣的願景那我必須要再次強調前瞻基礎建設對我們嘉義甚至是對中南部的雲嘉南、高高屏地區"},{"start":25707.253,"end":25736.042,"text":"那是非常大的幫助所以我們看到了加一整體的進化改變這一點我們必須要給予這個肯定那這兩個多月來我們臺灣已經遇到幾個重大的天災事變那包含兩個重大的颱風還有我們加一的中普大地震那我剛剛看到我們的資料顯示我們2023年、2024年還有即將審查的2025年的中央總預算那主計總署有編列的災害準備金"},{"start":25736.803,"end":25751.47,"text":"那分別是46億決算數是46億跟20億去年的預算數還有今年準備要編列的是50億我們看到是有所提升但是根據這個國際災害資料庫裡面顯示說2023年的重大災害是366件已經經濟屬實是1598億左右的美金"},{"start":25761.795,"end":25762.335,"text":"當然天然災害是一個"},{"start":25782.185,"end":25806.562,"text":"非常不可預測的行為他可能造成的這個任何傷害尤其是明年度我們在現在都很難去預測我們只能準備一個我們認為在依照目前國家財政的能力上面可以支應而且他又必須符合財政紀律他又不能會大幅的增加我們的債務餘額同時他又可以在執行的時候我們有足夠的執行力可以執行下去"},{"start":25807.022,"end":25807.483,"text":"謝謝院長,因為我必須提到,可能過去4、5年、5、6年"},{"start":25823.285,"end":25823.565,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":25853.032,"end":25878.413,"text":"院長應該知道阿里山但是可能不知道阿里山周遭的幾個鄉鎮包含中埔鄉、梅山鄉、竹崎鄉、阿里山其實都算是翻路鄉都是大阿里山的一個門戶那我們是認為說過去在這幾年自從我們爭取到這個太平雲梯的風景區之後那有觀光客的倍增其實不只是倍增是數以倍增不知道是幾倍的狀況不斷的在提升"},{"start":25879.073,"end":25907.06,"text":"那在雲梯、吊橋、然後其他的交通設施其實已經慢慢的不服使用為什麼這麼說?因為旅客已經超過他原本設計的預期所以在地方上面有很多人反應那希望說未來可以建置梅山纜車的概念那這個纜車它能夠帶動的不僅僅是梅山鄉而已包含鄰近的阿里山、大阿里山的山區都可以因為這一個景區的設置來增強它的觀光量能"},{"start":25907.6,"end":25927.143,"text":"那不管是生態永續因為我們知道說用纜車的話比起大量的遊覽車然後跟大量的私家轎車上去它的對環境的影響度會較低所以這個部分不知道院長怎麼看因為這個規劃上面其實今年8月我們有召開公聽會"},{"start":25928.044,"end":25955.1,"text":"那目前已經由阿里山風景區管理處來去爭取說在梅山周遭的環境整備計畫來去辦理那我們的這個纜車的路線規劃上面那我們是希望說從舊的梅山國小到望峰斷崖到太平雲梯遊客服務中心共5公里那5公里的話我們認為是應該在這個可行性上面趕快進行評估這個部分院長怎麼看"},{"start":25955.677,"end":25973.305,"text":"好謝謝委員在開米颱風之後我也搭阿里山的火車就去到被大樹攔阻的地方火車不能再前進當時我就想說跟這個工程人員表示如果競速修好我還是希望能夠有一天很順暢因為這到底是台灣非常重要的觀光景點"},{"start":25973.985,"end":25974.325,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":26004.105,"end":26005.045,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":26032.151,"end":26048.999,"text":"這個部分我想院長應該知道說中部產業園區它的這個開發的概念我簡單講一下它的園區大概是67公頃那它的容許的產業類別是電子零組件的製造業跟機械設備、汽車、飲料、食品等等"},{"start":26049.699,"end":26075.121,"text":"那我想請教一下這個嘉義中埔跟水上園區的合訂開發計畫那跟這個農產品加工跟倉儲為主另外有比例比較低的電子零組件製造業那有很多我們在地的鄉親他可能已經不是我的選區我選區是中埔鄉還有水上鄉的鄉親他們共同的反映他是一個整個生活圈他們希望說能夠有高科技產業的上游的生產業可以加入來去增加這個我們的就業人口"},{"start":26075.481,"end":26084.595,"text":"院長,我希望把這個心聲傳給你,是不是也可以請我們的相關主管、行政機關來一起協助,來去把這個地方的比例看看可不可以來去促成。"},{"start":26085.213,"end":26110.315,"text":"好的委員我們現在有個構想想把台灣分成6個區域治理的計畫那其中雲加南這個部分我們會有一個整體的區域性的這個治理計畫那逐步的來實施那您說的剛剛說的這個中埔的科技園區如果它能夠更健全在這個整個區域計畫當中成為重要的一環我想我們是非常樂意把它列為一個重要的參考大家一同來討論"},{"start":26110.936,"end":26124.174,"text":"那第二個部分就是我們也是在8月份的時候我有召開這個相關的單位到實地去勘察那我們看到說園區內的製紅紙的設置那是有地方的代表都在反映說可不可以服"},{"start":26125.134,"end":26145.835,"text":"有沒有能夠符合就是洪水來襲的滯洪效果還是有疑慮這是第一點那第二部分就是園區的交通運輸大型車輛是不是要另闢道路或者是道路後寬還沒有還沒有會有的主管機關的回補所以這個部分是不是可以請這個相關部門也是請院長來去督促一下因為這個對我們中埔水上他等於是"},{"start":26146.832,"end":26169.191,"text":"跨整個嘉義縣的山海兩個重要鄉鎮是不是可以請他們來去敦促他們一下?好的,我們在其他縣市志宏池也有相當成功的範例那但是在一般的都會區跟山區是不是在功能上會相同強度會一致我想其實需要經過專家跟工程的規劃我們再來想想如何來幫山區做好這個工作"},{"start":26169.451,"end":26181.956,"text":"好 謝謝謝謝院長院長接下來可能跟這個經濟部比較有關係那他是跟地樂開發前幾天我們有去應該說我啦我有去這個諮詢郭部長那來提問說關於台灣地樂開發的潛能"},{"start":26186.658,"end":26208.254,"text":"那我知道我們現在中研院的研究團隊跟中油技術開發團隊已經在宜蘭園山有開發說第一口深層地熱探測井那傳出來的好消息那包含這個說前幾天部長也有說他這個地熱的潛能加起來可以達24到36MW可以足夠非常多的家庭用電"},{"start":26209.275,"end":26236.522,"text":"那我看資料顯示說我們臺電2023年的全國總發電量是2821億度那低熱發電的容量因素最少50%的前提下一年可以生產逾1752億度所以說未來如果臺灣的低熱能夠再增加這個第二景的話對於我們的再生能源特別是一些我們重大的產業臺積電等等必須需要用綠色能源的話那是有很大的這個幫助可是目前我們政府原先預估"},{"start":26237.062,"end":26239.183,"text":"報告委員,我想我們會來修正這樣的一個計畫因為這個地熱目前在圓山所開的這個一號井"},{"start":26266.26,"end":26293.303,"text":"他是一個探勘的一個景不是真正的當然不是說真正的他有機會我們希望因為驗證這個中央研究院的這個技術他只是一個在探勘那個整個的地層的狀況那應該可以加速我們認知這個景值不值得再開這個如果一旦成功的話"},{"start":26294.042,"end":26317.357,"text":"我們會快速的在全省值得開發的地方去做所以現在我們沒有那麼這個確確的這個把握可以把數字寫得非常的精準所以我想這個在大院這裡我們只能把我們比較保守的數字那個保守的數字大概就是淺層的地熱那個1000公尺的這個地熱"},{"start":26321.913,"end":26340.455,"text":"如果要像我們這一次在那邊測試的這個4000到6000公尺的地震,坦白講這個在世界上面還算是這個比較新的這個技術,所以我們必須要去觀察。如果這個技術能夠成功,對台灣來講是一個非常棒的一個成就。"},{"start":26341.158,"end":26363.191,"text":"那部長我看說去年的我們探勘的範圍從東部擴展到西部包含谷關、東埔、關子嶺、寶萊等地他們是屬於淺層還是深層的?淺層的所以這樣子看起來從東到西、從北到南都有很大的可能性我們可以這樣講嗎?大概我們可以這樣觀察就是如果有溫泉的地方大概都是淺層的"},{"start":26365.986,"end":26370.833,"text":"對 但是我們現在要挖更深一點到4000到6000的話這是一個新的技術"},{"start":26372.143,"end":26399.317,"text":"這個技術所以我們現在就是如果能夠成功的因為你知道嘛這個就是說在貪鑽這都是成本啦齁那當我們挖到4000公尺它的成本是很高的結果它那個水下來水出來是不夠熱不能夠為你做地熱的這個發電所用的話那這個整個的成本就變成沉沒成本所以對我們來講我們希望它的成本能夠"},{"start":26400.353,"end":26425.17,"text":"因為這個目前以全美國的資料來看大概我們現在開發的成本大概要14塊錢一度電要14塊錢但是如果我們非常精準的去開發的話那麼它有機會讓我們進到我們可以接受的成本大概要多少錢這個我想目前只能預估而已"},{"start":26425.745,"end":26449.319,"text":"好,謝謝部長,因為第二畢竟它是可以24小時做一個很穩定的基載電源,不因為氣候所影響,如果說探勘成功,有效率的運用的話,那我們是可以把再生能源跟科技重鎮的台灣兩立的,這不是互相矛盾互相衝突的,所以我為什麼不但在強調這件事情是因為"},{"start":26450.539,"end":26475.568,"text":"其實這幾年來不管是太陽能或者是風電那它有它的重要的地位但是還是有一個不能作為基載能源的一個挑戰那所以多元的再生能源多元的綠色能源也是一個確保我們能源穩定的一個非常重要的一個目的那接下來最後跟外交部比較有關聯那是針對台灣跟印度的這個執行的部分"},{"start":26476.584,"end":26495.76,"text":"那這一次我們最近印度的排燈節剛結束那我們可以知道說我們台灣跟印度之間不管是在印太戰略或者是在產業投資上面這幾年是有非常大的幅度的產生那為了因應未來台印之間不管是進出口投資是不是要盡快的來討論復航的計畫吳釗燮在2024年1月22日在國慶的酒會上面有說期待出城"},{"start":26525.714,"end":26541.802,"text":"謝謝陳委員謝謝卓院長保安院會現在在一場二樓旁聽喜的是來自南港高中的第二批同學我們也歡迎他們來立法院參訪接下來請洪孟凱委員質詢"},{"start":26561.892,"end":26565.676,"text":"主席謝謝,麻煩請卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢法務委員好好,院長我想在這一次今天針對114年度中央政府總預算案的一個報告我們過去這兩個多月以來其實也都一直強調一個概念"},{"start":26587.031,"end":26607.009,"text":"政府的總預算只要是依法編列我們馬上立即做實質的審查因為立法院就要做實質的審查才能夠幫人民把官盒包幫人民把納稅錢該用則用該審則審但如果說違法漏編該編的沒有編應該要編的沒有編的話那就是政府部門的怠惰阿"},{"start":26607.769,"end":26608.59,"text":"坦白的說,任何國家政務的推動"},{"start":26630.049,"end":26654.466,"text":"有不順暢的時候,執政黨的責任在人民看起來是比較大的。這也因為這個樣子,行政院必須負起更多的責任。是,其實也不需要行政院負起更多的責任啊。我們兩院各自責任各自負責啊。但今天本席就拿出來依法編列立即審查。請教,到目前為止沒有依法編列的到底是行政部門還是立法部門?"},{"start":26655.578,"end":26671.085,"text":"我當然清楚禁法補償這個法律是修法完成過了是你也很清楚但是我要跟委員報告跟提醒的是我們認為在過程當中有若干的疏忽若干疏忽那時候有沒有提出復議"},{"start":26672.441,"end":26674.323,"text":"所以依法的部分到底這個法是誰沒有依法?"},{"start":26692.981,"end":26716.984,"text":"主委院長可不可以向國人負責任的說明到底現在行政院站在這邊誇誇其實是有立場還是沒立場我認為在預算法91條等相關條文當中他沒有履行對行政院的徵詢也沒有明確指出彌補資金之來源那這兩項未來任何的法律都要履行這樣的程序院長我們先不用講未來阿"},{"start":26717.705,"end":26731.351,"text":"其實歷史是一再重演的我們先看一下在這一次立法院爭議的時候行政院跟立法院爭議的時候行政院只強調一個立委不能增加預算是不是來我們來看一下"},{"start":26732.745,"end":26733.725,"text":"歷史是不斷重演的"},{"start":26758.257,"end":26779.063,"text":"那時候民進黨團有沒有試著要退回總預算?不讓總預算復違?有啊!2008年民進黨團你退回總預算但是因為人數不夠所以被否決了可是當時他們怎麼做?民進黨團提案要求退回要求行政院重新編列後再送立法院審議"},{"start":26780.697,"end":26810.055,"text":"院長有沒有覺得很即視感前一個例子來再來第三個因為行政院合力的那樣的做法編組的預算沒有整理來院長有沒有比退回總預算更激烈的做法有喔因為我們現在強調的是你只要立法編列我們是在解決問題還是在分析討論我們今天重點要的是解決明年度中央政府預算的問題啊我們已經提出了方法很不敢把問題聽完是不是我們已經提出了方法你提出了什麼樣的方法"},{"start":26810.495,"end":26833.579,"text":"你除了一直要求是說讓我們持續的進入審查以外你沒有任何的方法今天早上的報告清清楚楚你沒有提出任何方法來告訴我進法補償條例你們要怎麼編列是不是依法編列我說只要雙方行政立法兩院遵守法律的規定那我們就可以在這個審查的唯一原則底下研究出妥適的方法"},{"start":26834.039,"end":26854.167,"text":"那只要大家有這個共識我們的方法就只有這三樣你也清楚的現在是行政部門沒有依法編列並不是立法部門沒有依法審查為什麼連這樣子清楚明白的道理我說實在話昨天有媒體朋友在講是說愛新德總統都到救災指揮中心都已經針對了各縣市政府"},{"start":26855.049,"end":26883.714,"text":"都已經給予鼓勵而不像上一次一樣用電的用質疑的很多媒體也在講是說連賴清德總統也在轉彎也在改人設了那我們現在要問的是過去我們認為是調和鼎賴的大師兄怎麼突然變成是一個違法不約編列的大魔王法律原則沒有法律原則沒有法律原則就是依法行政依法編列來我們再看一下有沒有依照預算法91條等相關規定的經常辦理呢沒有啊"},{"start":26884.554,"end":26887.617,"text":"當時是行政院的發言人當時遇到行政立法也針對預算的問題行政院發言人怎麼講"},{"start":26912.608,"end":26938.846,"text":"在野黨要求把相關的預算編入年度預算結果行政院發言人卓龍泰就講是說我們行政院已經依照在野黨要求給編列了這就是行政院回應在野黨的主張2005年的行政院發言人卓龍泰可以接受在野黨要求編入預算的主張說這是行政院回應在野黨2024年的行政院長卓龍泰沒有辦法"},{"start":26939.724,"end":26942.446,"text":"你反而一直在強調是你到底有沒有依法編列沒有"},{"start":26969.784,"end":26970.144,"text":"我請問委員,我請問委員"},{"start":26985.814,"end":26986.154,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":27013.106,"end":27026.819,"text":"本席至始至終啊本席至始至終其實就強調我們要立即審查我們要逐條逐條來審因為明年的預算院長你主政之下明年的預算跟以往最大不同是什麼"},{"start":27028.134,"end":27029.095,"text":"二十六點五億元是什麼概念?"},{"start":27050.003,"end":27079.013,"text":"是這一次我們大家在討論的進法補償條例只有14億你用宣傳費用就高達26.5億比這一次的進法補償條例還多了10億那是所有部會如果我說各部會做得好那是所有部會 講實在話大家就自然人民有感那為什麼你要拿人民的錢來洗人民的腦呢立政部、外交部該做的事項我們在歷次的說明都說得很清楚委員都只記得問題而忘記了答案我請教一下"},{"start":27080.404,"end":27088.29,"text":"你26.5億元裡面所有部會有超過億元的有多少部會?"},{"start":27089.551,"end":27115.304,"text":"你總共有6個部會是你都非常了解我們多出了那麼多的一個宣傳費用為什麼要這樣做我說實在的話如果說你做得好的話人民才會有改如果做不好你只想要特定的拿去給對面媒體的話人民當然沒有辦法接受"},{"start":27116.465,"end":27133.856,"text":"再來,你剛剛提到內政部提高了2.3億元,主要是用在打詐對不對?上午的國是論壇我也特別說了,說政府部門不要帶頭當詐騙集團。請教,你今天我也注意到你跟財政部長,得一位之隔啊。"},{"start":27134.674,"end":27162.305,"text":"財政部長有沒有跟你報告到底這個禮拜讓國人紛紛擾擾的中獎門到底是什麼原因他已經有初步的掌握而且我們要求大院委員會也要求他一個禮拜之內要提出完整的說明所以現在什麼原因就目前的狀況大家會覺得說這件事情那麼離譜是因為財政部門國稅部門就是知足必教的單位到目前為止還沒有告訴國人答案喔他今天已經有初步的掌握那未來一周內他必須完整的報告部長什麼原因"},{"start":27163.165,"end":27163.786,"text":"什麼時候會報告"},{"start":27184.366,"end":27207.058,"text":"一週以內,今天已經禮拜五了,禮拜二發生的事情,所以下禮拜一或二就一定會報告,是不是?還要拖那麼久嗎?你多拖一天其實就對於政府部門的不信任就會增加。剛剛院長一直強調,我增加的預算都是要打造都是要什麼,都是好像很冠冕堂皇的理由。但我呼籲啊,我也提醒啊,真的是善意的提醒啊。"},{"start":27207.478,"end":27227.72,"text":"如果說財政部門、國稅單位這種那麼嚴謹、支柱必較、人民漏報一塊錢、漏報一百塊都要支柱必較的單位都可以用這樣子讓國人看到重複重獎重複不可能的機率的時候發生一次的粗暴事件比政府編一百億的打債預算效果還要強烈"},{"start":27228.852,"end":27256.019,"text":"報告委員這件事情查出的結果無論如何查出的責任無論如何我們要求行政院我們要求財政部一定要徹底的檢討防範無論查出的結果是如何我們要徹底的檢討當然其實院長連發聲都不應該發聲連發聲都不應該發聲來最後113年的年度預算我想幾個部分很重要其中針對觀光的部分院長"},{"start":27256.707,"end":27266.916,"text":"知道今天今年度我們的觀光來台觀光人次已經下修的目標最新目標是多少您知道嗎?從1000萬下修到750萬750萬當初一開始2024年開頭的時候喊出多少目標?我們說要倍增1200萬1200萬1000萬到現在750萬今年度我們用在觀光的預算有多少錢?"},{"start":27282.623,"end":27304.103,"text":"報告委員那個目標的部分今年度我們用在觀光的預算有多少錢?我們應該是有70幾億70億明年我們要用在觀光的項目上有多少錢?也應該是差不多79億換言之院長人民的納稅錢民脂民膏70億不是700萬不是7000萬是70億"},{"start":27306.877,"end":27321.311,"text":"七十億的目標、七十億的經費花了更不用講說這其實是延續性的計畫四年延續性計畫今年七十億、明年七十九億但今年繳出的成績單卻是倒退到十二年前的來台觀光旅次"},{"start":27322.145,"end":27347.318,"text":"院長可以接受嗎?我不敢太規則於國際因素但確實國際是有因素但重要的是我們國內受到這麼多次天然災害的影響許多國際著名的景點都遭受到嚴重的破壞日本旅客創新高日本旅客創新高日本沒有地震嗎?韓國沒有天災嗎?泰國沒有天災嗎?我的意思是說院長你可以接受嗎?"},{"start":27348.79,"end":27349.911,"text":"院長,再一個數字啊,您看一下下一張"},{"start":27366.206,"end":27392.031,"text":"我們的觀光佔GDP其實是一直在倒退還有更重要的是南部鄉親跟北部鄉親觀光客人數減少其實受損最大的是南部的鄉親因為南部的鄉親是沒有觀光人口的這比例是下降的北部相對來講都還持平因為很多背包客有很多這些要利用大台北地區的這個交通運輸系統北部相對比較不受影響"},{"start":27393.277,"end":27414.722,"text":"最後,院長我提出來這個觀光也請您一定要放在心上那還有另外一個部分就是能源議題能源議題在這禮拜二你也接受我們的質詢我再來跟您請教一下幾個部分我們現在台灣到跟其他國家確實有背道而馳你看到"},{"start":27415.731,"end":27438.063,"text":"我們的用發電、用化石原料、化石能源的是高達84%,這是去年的表格。今年因為核三廠一號機、二號機現在稅收的情況下,這個比例只有往上增。而其他國家,不管是全球是60%,歐盟只有32%,美國也差不多60%,我們跟世界是越來越遠、越來越擴大。"},{"start":27439.497,"end":27463.599,"text":"再來看一下當全世界都把不管是核能、生物質、水力、太陽能、風電全都變成是clean power也就是所謂的潔淨能源的時候我們卻忽略掉潔淨能源還有院長你有講到未來核能重啓的部分是要有共識是要有這個核廢料的一個影響那目前看起來是沒有是不是目前"},{"start":27465.031,"end":27469.794,"text":"何能的安全問題跟核廢的處理在社會上還是討論該條件?他必須在明年的5月17號依法就必須重新"},{"start":27509.825,"end":27510.205,"text":"好,謝謝洪委員"},{"start":27513.103,"end":27530.903,"text":"好,謝謝左院長。發言會,現在一場二樓旁聽席,除了南港高中的同學,還有台北商業大學的同學,我們都歡迎他們到立法院參訪。發言會,休息10分鐘,休息之後繼續進行質詢,現在休息。"},{"start":28217.598,"end":28245.725,"text":"發言會現在繼續開會,請張委員、雅琳質詢。謝謝主席,有請院長。好,請卓院長備詢。"},{"start":28256.531,"end":28283,"text":"委員長好114年度中央政府總預算案稅出3兆1325億元如果我們從正式別來看不佳績特別預算及基金社福支出其實來到了8310億元然後教育科學文化支出也達到了6050億元經濟發展支出達到了5386億元國防支出達到了4674億元那同時我們的運動部明年要成立也先編列了相關的經費93億元0到6歲國家養"},{"start":28286.721,"end":28308.051,"text":"總預算也破千億元其實我們從這個預算可以看到就是國家就像院長今天早上說的國家正處於重要的發展的階段我還是這邊要呼籲我們的朝野可以一起來以人民為優先一起來通過這個總預算案來照顧我們全體人民的福祉可以順利的推展這邊是想要先謝謝院長的努力"},{"start":28308.751,"end":28333.106,"text":"謝謝委員因為國人的努力跟產業的發展我們才有能力在這種稅數的狀況底下編這樣的稅數那我們會花在最需要的地方當然我希望在大院審查了之後也能夠用大院各位委員的意見經驗告訴我們用適度的調整讓我們能夠執行上更順暢這我表示非常的感謝對那接下來我想要跟院長來討論一個比較特別的預算就是兒少預算就是說在1989年"},{"start":28337.061,"end":28358.105,"text":"1989年11月20號的時候聯合國通過兒童權利公約要求各國要擔負兒童的權利跟責任所以呢他就應該要像其他的年齡族群能夠去為了保障他能夠訴說自己的想望跟需求啊所以其實我們在第8條裡面有去規定說各級政府機關執行公約保障各項兒童及少年權利所需要的經費應該要以財政狀況優先編列並且逐年實施"},{"start":28363.885,"end":28379.989,"text":"那額上預算其實相關是涵蓋了像是政策、措施、計劃之公務、基金及特別預算但是我看了這三年來我們的各級政府的預算包含了中央政府跟地方政府我們的預算總預算從2021年的5062億元逐年提高到2023年的5417億元總共增加了355億元"},{"start":28390.811,"end":28412.078,"text":"不過我們再來看看跟OECD的國家相比,OECD的總支出其實各國都會略有,因為體制上面會略有差異。不過以今年數據來說,各國的占比,OECD的國家占比是到6%,那您知道,院長您知道我們台灣兒少的占比,占GDP的多少嗎?"},{"start":28413.649,"end":28435.342,"text":"如果照這樣的數字算起來,應該是2,百分之2左右吧。哦,院長數學非常好耶。就是沒錯,我們可以看到我們的GDP佔比大概只有2%。那院長再想請教您喔,您認為我們跟其他OECD國家相比,為什麼我們的比例人家是6%,而我們卻是2%?這個差異之大的原因是什麼?"},{"start":28436.477,"end":28453.383,"text":"這個也是我覺得我們要迎頭趕上的台灣要成為一個更文明的國家我們對扶老吸幼的政策還要更落實徹底不過我們在每個兒少一個人能夠分配的金額來講預算來講是有約略的增加的那以後我們會持續的努力"},{"start":28454.019,"end":28470.202,"text":"我想就是說這個部分我不知道可不可以要求就是院長責成衛福部來做一個好好的研議到底我們在哪個領域上面跟OECD國家相比來說是有一些落差呢那這樣子未來我們在編列相關的預算的時候才能夠確實的去符合我們OECD國家的一個水平"},{"start":28470.916,"end":28493.95,"text":"好的,我們現在在相關的福利、保護以及教育跟發展這個方面我們都有所增加那是不是要增加其他更重要的款項目或者在四個項目當中我們更有能力以後考量我們財政的能力要做適度增加我會請衛福部把它列為很重要的一個考量的依據跟方向那跟委員也請教更多的專業意見"},{"start":28494.841,"end":28514.122,"text":"好我想這個因為其實我們都有做一些相關的研究啦衛福部過去都有做那我希望說我們跟OECD國家的相比這個差異點還是要持續的去做下去好那再來就是說其實在統計資料因為剛剛院長其實也有提到就是說我們在跟我們的預算好像是逐年有在增加在各個面向上面但是我們來看一下我們在這個"},{"start":28515.84,"end":28530.251,"text":"這是衛福部之前在1、2年的時候這是台灣大學中國信託慈善基金會他們在1、2年做的一些相關的研究他們其實有發現我們這6項權益低於OECD第一個就是低種生育率、低出生"},{"start":28531.171,"end":28533.992,"text":"同時我們也有看見說雖然我們的預算112年的總預算跟前一年相比"},{"start":28555.319,"end":28584.375,"text":"提升了20%但是我們的兒少預算只有提升了8%而我們的兒少人口是15%我們的兒少預算也只有8%所以這代表是說我們雖然在一些相關的領域我們是有編列了相關的預算但如果我們仔細的看下去我們仔細的看下去我們從2023年跟2017年來相比我們的兒幼兒0到6歲的幼兒我們的預算成長了6倍"},{"start":28586.021,"end":28614.457,"text":"六倍可是我們的少年預算呢卻減少了3000這就是剛剛說院長有提到說我們有增加但是我們增加的似乎有點傾斜我們在幼兒的部分的確是增加了很多相關的福利而我也認為這很重要但我也認為青少年的福利也應該要持續的來去增加因為青少年在我們的社會裡面可以說是弱勢中的弱勢他們在城市裡的空間"},{"start":28617.003,"end":28630.794,"text":"發言的機會相對來說都是缺乏的那在2022年的兒少權利的公約國際審查他們其實有提到一個很重要的關鍵就是他們關鍵到我們台灣的高自殺率青少年的自殺率"},{"start":28632.039,"end":28648.295,"text":"他們有提到就是說可能家庭的部分我們家庭的壓力也很大然後我們的休憩時間跟空間都不足所以我只是在想就是說我們任務我想請教院長我們在少年的這一塊預算我們還有沒有一些可以努力的地方"},{"start":28649.462,"end":28675.26,"text":"謝謝我的提醒回想起來我們的政策從0到2歲的專班0到6歲的國家一起養以及到高職的免學費到大學的這個私立大學的補助等等我們都有一些新增的或是繼續執行的一些政策倒是在義務教育這個部分我們除了現在的義務教育之外好像比較少去做這個地方的琢磨我認為這個地方可能就是"},{"start":28676.201,"end":28690.008,"text":"會不會就是反映在剛剛委員所說的狀況那以後我想我們會有比較周圍的考量把它補足起來好那院長我想要給個建議就是說因為其實休憩的空間還是蠻重要的啦所以我只是在希望說"},{"start":28691.269,"end":28716.759,"text":"院長呢是不是可以邀請大家一起來去思考像是新興的運動空間啦、圖書館的少年友善規劃或者是說公共事務參與的培力等等或是他們喜歡的排演場、排練場等等的喔是不是可以邀請我們的教育部、內政部以及我們的文化部大家一起來努力呢在這個領域上面好的謝謝委員提醒教育部或是衛部有重要的意見或政策我們以後都跟委員來報告我們一起來討論"},{"start":28718.46,"end":28745.843,"text":"因為我希望就是說因為這是每個人投分到的這個千元數12到18歲這一塊的確是持續的在下降的那再來就是說我們現在剛剛其實我感覺院長真的對我們這個兒少的相關的政策其實也非常的熟悉我們在兒少權力公約裡面的預算說明裡面預算可以分為幾個項目就像剛剛上面講的發展、福利、健康教育、保護等等的那我想請院長再來猜猜看"},{"start":28746.644,"end":28755.031,"text":"我們在哪一個項目的預算佔比,歷年來的平均是最高的?最高的?對教育吧教育答對了"},{"start":28757.728,"end":28786.4,"text":"好對是教育那其次就是我們的福利啦健康發展等等的那這三年來我看到就行政院有配合這個少子化對策啊前瞻計畫建設因應少子化建設啊強化社會安全網第二期計畫及地方政府國民教育業務及人力我們的福利類其實增加了282億教育類增加了34億健康增加了25億保護類增加了7億但是發展類雖然也有增加"},{"start":28787.04,"end":28788.662,"text":"但僅增加6億元。"},{"start":28793.345,"end":28819.485,"text":"在這整個類別裡面我們在發展的這個領域是相對的弱勢是相對的少的而發展的類別呢其實就是促進了我們的兒少的參與權、表意權、修憩權、遊戲權以及相關的文化權質之下發展那在我們自己的這個衛福部列舉的項目啦其實是包含了像是兒童權利相關訓練宣導啦兒童及少年福利"},{"start":28820.566,"end":28836,"text":"福利服務、文化休閒娛樂設施、活動、青少年就職訓練、媒體分級管理等等等等,看起來有好多的項目,但是我們實際上去看預算的時候,我們發現主要的編列在於文化部的這三項,文化部一項、原住民委員會兩項,"},{"start":28837.561,"end":28853.87,"text":"其他是在地方的就是共和遊戲場、兒童遊戲場的新建或改善新少年的就業輔導與職業訓練還有一些文化活動所以我自己會在看這件事情的時候我會覺得我們對於發展預算項目類別似乎想像有限"},{"start":28855.287,"end":28882.565,"text":"想像非常的線索但我也想要跟部長還有院長們來院長來談一件事情我們最近這幾年其實我們回到剛剛講的高自殺率的青少年的高自殺率的這個問題或是我們講的兒童的近視率過胖率這體重還有這些憂鬱症等等的這些身心的問題其實我自己在想我們是不是可以更早的早期來去投入更多的資源來幫助他們好好的發展"},{"start":28883.846,"end":28908.044,"text":"因為這絕對比我們後面投入資源去做健康的支出會來得更有效我想大家都知道一句話嘛預防勝於治療所以我只是在想說我們是不是可以在這個領域上面如何的去促進我們的兒少有更多的參與跟表益、遊戲、休憩等等的權利如果以我們現在的預算項目我們是不是還有改善的空間呢"},{"start":28908.704,"end":28935.469,"text":"是的,剛剛委員提出有六項比較重要的項目我現在回憶起來當中我們可能只對第二項那個低出生體重那個議題討論的比較少其他五項我們從人口政策從教育各方面我們都有約了討論那以後我們會把它做一個更有系統的規劃那另外就是在年齡層以及這種發展策略項目的一些不夠均衡的部分我們也一併把它做為重要的檢討"},{"start":28936.24,"end":28960.241,"text":"我想因為發展的預算真的跟其他相比來說是非常非常少但是發展其實是可以幫助一個孩子長得更好更健康那我想也是為國家可以所用的人才都是在發展這個領域所以我還是希望就是未來我們可以有更多的想像在預算編列的時候可以去促進我們的兒少的遊戲權那其實我有發現就是我們公園修繕"},{"start":28961.857,"end":28987.834,"text":"的一個10億元的經費其實已經編列以及執行完畢了那從明年開始之後我們工人就會面臨無費用可用的一個狀態所以希望院長可以來研議是不是請內政部來攜手地方政府一起來努力呢好的我會請內政部注意這個狀況謝謝謝謝院長那其實院長我想問一個問題就是從現在我們看的數據都是113年比112年或是都看過去的數據"},{"start":28989.468,"end":29016.329,"text":"市長你會不會覺得很奇怪為什麼我都是拿113年來比為什麼我不是拿114年來比呢你知道原因是什麼嗎114年的預算你我共同還在努力中我們雖然我們共同還在努力中還有一個很重要的關鍵是我們現行的兒少預算是採取事後調查回填製的所以並不是在預算編列時的時候就會去匯編所以我們現在很難去看到一個兒少的整齊的預算以114年來說我是看不到的"},{"start":29017.771,"end":29029.072,"text":"所以我們其實是非常難的去即時掌握額上預算的一個編列的情況也很難很難事先去知道說我們有沒有要調整的地方所以我這邊想要"},{"start":29031.273,"end":29058.172,"text":"是否可以請院長責成我們相關的政委來去針對我們的兒少預算重新來盤點各項保障兒童及少年權利所需要的費用來統籌規劃一個兒少預算整合平台集中散落在各部會的相關數據這樣子我們才能夠去確實的去追蹤各項相關的進度這部分是不是可以請院長來幫我們責成政委呢或者是衛福部"},{"start":29059.229,"end":29068.104,"text":"好,衛福部當然要負責政策跟執行那我們會請政委也並來協同協助衛福部共同來制定一個比較周圍的規劃跟制度出來"},{"start":29068.84,"end":29095.825,"text":"我希望是說我們可以在預算會編的時候就有一些彙整讓我們更清楚的知道到底哪裡還有不足那在未來的時候我們還可以在當年的時候怎麼去調整而不是等到事後了整個年度都結束了我們才能夠知道當時發生了什麼事情我想這對於兒童的照顧跟我們要相關的一些政策要執行的話都會有更好的掌握我想兒童是未來的主人翁"},{"start":29096.685,"end":29097.546,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":29115.916,"end":29126.698,"text":"但是我現在的要求是希望可以會編起來因為我們會編起來才能夠去追蹤現在的進度是執行到哪裡可是我們如果都是整年結束了之後那一年其實已經來不及了所以我希望的是我們可以提前先會編起來"},{"start":29142.662,"end":29142.922,"text":"謝謝張委員謝謝卓院長"},{"start":29169.727,"end":29184.34,"text":"下一位請張家俊委員質詢主席我想請卓院長請卓院長備詢院長好"},{"start":29193.414,"end":29221.124,"text":"張委員好我今天其實提早到這個議場來聽整個質詢那我想要呼應一下林國成委員的發言本席其實是非常敬佩卓院長的做人處事非常有原則但是也能夠用溝通來完成很多目標那也期待說這次的總預算也可以在卓院長的努力之下順利的通過那院長我想首先請問你我們今年的國防預算是多少"},{"start":29222.303,"end":29228.764,"text":"國防預算我們現在有6千多億6千4百7十億那這筆錢重不重要"},{"start":29229.517,"end":29231.058,"text":"現在總預算卡住了,請問院長您知道卡住的點在哪裡嗎?"},{"start":29256.529,"end":29271.114,"text":"如果討論比較多的當然就是禁法補償、公糧收購以及健保點子的問題就是這三個點那這三個點我相信院長也非常重視想要極力的突破那朝野都努力想要讓總預算通過"},{"start":29271.974,"end":29289.649,"text":"唯獨農業部好像毫不在乎總預算到底通不通過對於提高公糧收購價格每公斤5塊毫無作為而且感覺它是事不關己的感覺院長這是您同意的嗎"},{"start":29290.66,"end":29309.681,"text":"我非常謝謝委員跟幾位委員不一樣是你有聽到我們在努力的答案所以我們現在可能要加強跟委員說明的就是公糧補助的這個議題我們如何來解決那農業部提出的一級二轉三加三那這個制度到底行的如何效果如何請部長來說明一下"},{"start":29309.941,"end":29325.213,"text":"委員長他講之前我先來講一下一級二轉三加三這幾個政策是行之有年如果他有用他跑十年前就有用了他現在用一個新的瓶子裝舊的酒然後來騙院長來騙院長說對農業不夠認識我覺得說"},{"start":29334.329,"end":29347.859,"text":"我跟委員報告部長您是用什麼心態在當任這個部長你完全沒有把農民的死活看在眼裡嘛你把農民當作你的實驗品嘛你當農事所的所長做久了你就喜歡做實驗嘛我跟委員報告"},{"start":29351.182,"end":29370.201,"text":"一分鐘跟你回覆我們100年本身如果看產地價格我沒有提高工糧價格你會不會有一種感覺農業部不願意提高工糧收購每公斤5元是在推卸責任不願意顧農民的生計因為工糧收進來是農業部要負責農業部要管"},{"start":29371.823,"end":29391.85,"text":"他一切都想要把責任推給民糧我覺得這是不適當的我跟委員報告齁整個稻米本身繳民糧是70%市長我請你看一下我請你看一下這個影片我請你看一下這個影片民生人齁台大廚正常行駛在辦公啊"},{"start":29394.036,"end":29395.277,"text":"您知道這是誰做的嗎?"},{"start":29415.585,"end":29434.845,"text":"這個影片是13年前民進黨黨中央做的。這現在在說的是誰啊?說的就是陳部長你。說的就是你。你完全沒有把農民的死活看在眼裡。一百年提高了3塊錢以後,我們都沒有提高供糧價格,但是我們現在透過我們的政策提高了3塊。院長看完這個影片你會不會覺得這對於農民的心聲很寫實?"},{"start":29439.429,"end":29464.382,"text":"所以這十幾年來我們對於農民的權利包括老農的津貼等等我們都有十足的經驗但是公糧收購已經13年沒有調漲了為了陳部長每一次對我的回答我還特別去查了非常多的資料他一直想要把這個責任丟給民糧我想要請問一下陳部長這個公糧收購價格制度您是不認同"},{"start":29465.592,"end":29482.042,"text":"我想公糧收購有它的一個歷史背景。當初公糧收購是因為當時需要擴大稻米的種植面積,所以用公糧保養收購的方式。因為那個時候是需要稻米的,但是現在稻米已經超過了百分之二十分。"},{"start":29484.683,"end":29511.012,"text":"對,但是現在戰備存糧,我們公糧加民糧大概有14個月。意思是說,我們現在派系不需要戰備存糧了,那我們花那麼多錢買武器是為什麼?我們的軍隊買那麼多的武器,到時候沒有飯吃,誰有力氣打仗?我們的稻米本身法定的3個月,可是我們現在公糧加民糧有14個月。你接著看,你覺得14個月就夠了是不是?你接著看基本工資調漲了多少?59.89%"},{"start":29514.266,"end":29541.793,"text":"然後動作成本提高了20、將近30%這個是錯的喔!成本的話只有出到百分之十一問三不止我問你說人工多少我問你說一盤羊苗多少你身為農業部長都回答不出來我跟你講現在目前的成本只有百分之十、六百分之三十不要再告訴我我說什麼農民是你們心中最軟的一塊的確是最軟的一塊啦就是你"},{"start":29544.523,"end":29544.763,"text":"農業部部長"},{"start":29555.795,"end":29583.269,"text":"封災是封災,公糧收購是公糧收購,目前陳俊濟部長他的心態他就只想照顧大農,他不想照顧老農,不想照顧小農,不想照顧輕農,他就想要做他的集團產區,一起二管三加三,就是在鼓勵集團產區,你是老農,你是輕農,你是小農與合力,是小農一起合作的。"},{"start":29583.809,"end":29588.232,"text":"我只跟委員報告齁,所有的……我現在就問你啦,我問你,我問你,陳部長,你想不想這次總預算通過?"},{"start":29612.762,"end":29618.969,"text":"我告訴你一件事情,我們在很多討論政策的時候,部長經常提到,我們這個政策如果要執行,對小農會產生好或不好的討論。"},{"start":29633.365,"end":29649.593,"text":"我告訴你,所有的青農都來立法院門口抗議了。你若不接受,他們就到農業部去抗議了。只有你坐在冷氣房裡面一直在想一級二轉三加三。全國的農民都在想說工廠收購價格為什麼立法院決議通過,行政院不變。院長,這個鍋你要幫他背嗎?我告訴部長說,兩者是可以並行的。一級二轉三加三,你就做嘛。"},{"start":29660.598,"end":29676.915,"text":"你為什麼公糧收購價格你沒辦法提高五塊你提高兩塊你提高三塊你並行下去做看能不能一邊照顧農民一邊完成你的理想這是可以並行的嘛我跟委員報告公糧的一個制度我們會隨時的滾動檢討但是以現在的難...什麼滾動檢討你就是拒絕討論嘛"},{"start":29681.963,"end":29710.958,"text":"你就是為了你一個人所有國家總預算卡住了我想討論是你怎麼討論你現在跟我討論啊可以理性的討論齁我告訴你他給了非常多錯誤的資料他說只有三分之一可以繳公糧我告訴你量的確是三分之一但是每一個農民都有繳交公糧的資格這是農民生活的最後一道防線"},{"start":29711.838,"end":29712.198,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":29732.632,"end":29745.104,"text":"反而在民間反對的聲浪有多少你知道嗎有多少農民說哇 這個部長怎麼這麼理想哇都沒有想過說我們能不能活下去如果沒有農民你要憑什麼談農業我們已經開了100場那100場裡面"},{"start":29749.067,"end":29753.13,"text":"一百場去說服大家說公糧收購價格不要提高你為什麼不一百場去教他們其他轉做其他的作物呢?就是因為他們需要公糧收購你要花一百場的錢這些錢然後去說服他們說不要提高"},{"start":29766.497,"end":29766.918,"text":"兩點跟委員報告 第一個"},{"start":29782.074,"end":29805.462,"text":"榮業部有提出歷年來在公糧調整的時候往後的兩三年都會造成股價的波動那我希望明年他們用比較精準的方式來穩定股價這個是他們的理由我告訴你股價波動最嚴重的那一年是哪一年就是你們之前的那個部長他不限而收購他不限而收購才是真正造成股價波動的原因"},{"start":29808.283,"end":29832.835,"text":"明年我會請農業部用更精準的方式來嚴防股價波動的機制再提出一個新的解決辦法我真心建議您接受這個討論就是雙軌並行我相信農民會非常感謝行政院我第二個答案就是說我非常,行政院非常重視這個立法院的主決議這個主決議讓我們有重新檢討政策的方向所以明年我會請農業部就現在的機制"},{"start":29835.296,"end":29848.69,"text":"那穩定股價的作用來做這個事情。一年啦,現在的路啊,不要再等這麼多年啦。我跟你說,很多農民沒辦法再繞幾年啦。光連續這三個颱風,連續三個颱風,種下去就又倒了,種下去又倒了。這一次的颱風能不能加碼補助?"},{"start":29850.066,"end":29873.865,"text":"我想現在目前的到座的天災的部分大概是用我們的保險的部分但是保險我們也在討論今天晚上就會討論是不是能夠加碼?是不是能夠加碼?因為三次耶!他不是說一次他種下去馬上又吹到種下去馬上又吹到要收成之前又吹到當時在同一個產績以現在的規定我們不能調整但是我們會在年底的時候做一併的一個檢討以後去調整"},{"start":29874.986,"end":29891.881,"text":"我現在在地方聽到的農業部現在變成農業阻礙部就是在阻礙農業發展各項都是農業部的規定我再講一點沒有人想要當烏鴉每個人都想當喜鵲啊本市也想當喜鵲啊為什麼我要當烏鴉"},{"start":29893.442,"end":29906.113,"text":"我想要問一下院長,您知道日本現在最大的危機是什麼嗎?日本現在是陷入米荒,超市一個人只能限購一袋,白米漲幅60%,院長知道嗎?應該也會是季節性或結構性的關係,因為季節應該會解決"},{"start":29913.499,"end":29941.682,"text":"根據日本農林水產省的前官員分析這就是日本政府長期以來政策失誤包括說日本就是廢除了這個公糧保駕收購的制度26年前1988年開始停止這就是造成日本米荒的原因之一所以呢日本壯大的人不斷減少稻米產量也一直在降低這跟部長想做的一模一樣嘛"},{"start":29942.242,"end":29943.804,"text":"維持必要的農產這個是台灣必要的命脈我們不能減少農業的發展"},{"start":29957.962,"end":29974.335,"text":"同樣的思維、同樣的政策,日本就在發生米災給你看了。部長,你能夠負擔得起這個責任嗎?沒有,我跟委員報告,日本的案例是在10月底因為他們的季節的一個交替上一個短暫的缺口。院長,你知道現在的我們台灣的糧食自給率是幾%嗎?30.7%"},{"start":29976.096,"end":29978.917,"text":"我當然希望我們100年都不要遇到戰爭啊!我們100年都不要遇到戰爭啊!"},{"start":30004.002,"end":30006.103,"text":"但如果不信我們遇到戰爭怎麼辦?我們如果大家都餓肚子沒飯吃的時候,你負擔得起嗎?是吧,所以本席認為農業部現在為了提高,為了反對提高公糧收購價格,已經陷入了不理性的狀態。"},{"start":30026.141,"end":30046.179,"text":"一下子說公糧收購價格提高只是照顧部分的稻農全體稻農都有資格可以參加這個計畫好嗎?一下子說公糧收購價格收的米都是不好的米本席告訴你這個是你的政令宣導10年前就已經限定說只有28個優良米的這個品項這個品種才可以交公糧收購"},{"start":30053.066,"end":30059.164,"text":"結果部長一直在無名化公糧收購制度我想要跟院長講"},{"start":30061.209,"end":30083.776,"text":"就算沒有辦法提高部長也不應該汙名化這個制度因為這個公糧收購制度呢是農業部50年來行之有年的制度如果你覺得不好你把它廢除啊你有這個尬子把它廢除嗎我跟委員報告齁公糧的制度我們會滾動的去檢討那在現階段裡面現在就你考慮了總預算你要怎麼檢討你要檢討現在就檢討"},{"start":30089.428,"end":30092.41,"text":"不要因為你一個人一意孤行!"},{"start":30113.983,"end":30139.234,"text":"謝謝張委員也謝謝卓院長報告院會現在在議場二樓的貴賓是由王正旭委員所邀請的德國聯邦議會的議員烏爾曼醫師還有我們德國在台協會的朋友們我們在此歡迎你們參訪下一位我們請陳培宇委員質詢"},{"start":30147.096,"end":30147.357,"text":"主席"},{"start":30160.186,"end":30176.327,"text":"陳委員好院長午安那院長我想跟你討論一下這兩天颱風我相信院長都非常關心各地的災情在今年9月的時候呢這個惠德隧道院長你有去考察你還記得嗎而且我知道其實院長從上任以來因為0403花蓮正災"},{"start":30178.249,"end":30200.981,"text":"委員長,你不只去考察交通,你還去各個面向去認識花蓮,包含地方創生、青年創業,還有教育文化,還有非常多基礎建設的工作。我在這裡要代表花蓮的鄉親感謝院長。但是我也想要跟院長澄清在昨天的颱風,我們來看一下花蓮發生了什麼事情。就是您曾經去過的惠德隧道口,在這一次的"},{"start":30202.442,"end":30228.717,"text":"臺風又變成這個狀態目前在我剛上臺前我看到最新的新聞臺鐵公路路段是說會希望可以在明天中午以前搶通那我非常感謝行政院還有臺鐵還有公路局一路以來的幫忙但是我想我們還是要必須沉重的呼籲跟面對到底花蓮的交通在這個議題上我們行政院還有什麼樣的方法可以讓花蓮的鄉親真的覺得行政院是有在積極照顧花東的鄉親"},{"start":30230.014,"end":30246.708,"text":"交通的部分等下請部長來聲明我先向委員報告這次的颱風兩次到應變中心我兩次都特別提醒劉世芳部長指揮官對於花東的這個交通一定要促請地方政府跟我們工程單位"},{"start":30247.475,"end":30248.076,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":30265.595,"end":30266.116,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":30283.596,"end":30306.798,"text":"兩千平方米的這個砂石土石流下來那我們正在努力當中大概明天中午就可以清運完成不過因為公路跟鐵路在蘇花這一段確實是中斷的所以我們在今天早上就已經啟動了這個輸運的計畫所以我們今天在下午的這個4點半已經偵派了一班的這個班機用空運的方式來增加這個空運的輸運量"},{"start":30307.679,"end":30311.661,"text":"一般可以在400多個人,這個部分也已經啟動。另外陸運的部分,因為我們這一次除了颱風之外,昨天晚上凌晨大概12點多,"},{"start":30331.392,"end":30358.807,"text":"在台東跟花蓮的那一段也因為地震我們的鐵軌有一些錯斷或者是有些變形這個部分我們也去巡軌過了所以會中斷一段時間大概在今天的下午差不多6點可以完成在完成之前我們今天早上也啟動輸運計畫也就是說這一段的鐵軌雖然往南不能通但是我們用公路的方式來接駁從花蓮接駁到玉里"},{"start":30359.347,"end":30387.632,"text":"讓他們可以在讓旅客跟這個鄉親可以在御里搭火車在走南回到西部這個部分也已經啟動那另外也跟委員報告我們的蘇花的鐵路雖然是中斷的本來跟我們說明天的中午希望能夠明天的早上希望能夠搶通但有個好消息剛剛台鐵給我跟我說這個同仁非常的努力在今天下午的4點半在蘇花的這一段的台鐵的鐵路已經搶通了已經搶通了"},{"start":30388.012,"end":30403.446,"text":"那公路的部分就像委員您這個照片的部分在明天的中午也會搶通也就是說我們在整體輸運的部分在這次的颱風其實都已經啟動了所以如果我們花蓮的鄉親要到西部來我們現在都有很多的方案可以協助"},{"start":30404.284,"end":30432.873,"text":"看起來部長您非常的清楚的回應喔所以我要再一次以花蓮鄉親的身份謝謝部長可是我要提醒部長我剛聽到台鐵的同仁積極搶通他們應該會有適當的加班費或是相當的福利政策吧因為呦屢次只要有相關的風災或是震災其實第一線基層的工作人員真的都非常辛苦這部分我就快速請部長呃承諾也會對基線的呃第一線的工作同仁做出呃相對應的福利回饋"},{"start":30433.573,"end":30436.074,"text":"那不過聽起來花蓮每次遇到災情就得這樣做,但是未來交通部有沒有什麼任何新的規劃來回應鄉親們對於交通的需求?"},{"start":30454.239,"end":30471.51,"text":"報告委員從2016年民進黨執政一直到現在我們已經執行完成還有就是未來正在執行的當中我們總共投入了3745億的這個交通預算在整個花東地區那當然我們整個國家的政策在花東地區的這個輸運來講的話主要是以鐵路為主"},{"start":30473.951,"end":30474.231,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間"},{"start":30490.971,"end":30508.729,"text":"比較重要的是院長所去看的這個鐵軌的這個雙軌跟電氣化的部分除此之外還有就是我們花東縱谷的這個安全景觀大道的這個拓寬計畫總共300多億我們正在執行當中還有就是花蓮的鄉親非常關注蘇花這個路廊要更安全"},{"start":30509.229,"end":30536.155,"text":"我們有一個這個蘇花的這個安全道路提升計畫也就是蘇花安那這個部分也得到了行政院的這個原則上的同意原則上的支持那這個部分交通部明年也有一個新的計畫總共提撥了五千多萬要做一個前置的作業那現在是因為預算還沒有過不然這個部分應該總共會有一千億左右的這個預算如果可以通過預算的話我們明年就可以開始來動"},{"start":30537.588,"end":30563.716,"text":"下一張同一篇也就是說就算在不是民進黨執政的縣市尤其在花蓮長年以來如果我沒有記錯的話我的小孩現在18歲將近20多年其實都不是民進黨執政但是我們依然花了非常多的預算包含來年你們還要規劃有前島計畫還有花東的300多億這個部分我們希望預算過關之後我們可以一起為花蓮的鄉親努力也要拜託部長跟院長好嗎"},{"start":30564.836,"end":30581.455,"text":"委員報告,行政院一向不會以政黨的執政來作為施政的優先順序。花東地區當然這次颱風、受災情形嚴重,但明天我如果天候允許,我克服總統困難,我明天應該要到蘭嶼跟綠島去。"},{"start":30583.015,"end":30607.191,"text":"好 謝謝院長那我相信早上有其他多位也在關心這個問題但是我們看見院長跟部長的誠意我們期待後續的建設可以讓花蓮的鄉親真的覺得不分黨派我們都被照顧到了好再次謝謝部長謝謝那接下來呢我想跟院長討論關於我們一直在關心的家庭教育的部分我們在教育部的預算書裡面呢看到終身教育呢整體占了"},{"start":30608.112,"end":30632.646,"text":"整個教育部的預算裡面2.2%也就是80億那我要先感謝教育部在今年的預算比起去年的預算還多了278億也就是說我們台灣對於教育是重視的可是在終身教育這一塊我想要跟院長如實的報告目前我們在第一線所遇到的困境那這個困境我覺得我們需要非常非常多的討論我們來看一下下一頁"},{"start":30633.386,"end":30650.784,"text":"在教育部的預算書裡面呢在我左手邊列的這一些全部都是教育部的終身教育重大施政經費必須要去顧及的項目包含國家圖書館這些管社可是光是這些卡了終身教育的經費很多很多很多當然這些管也很重要"},{"start":30651.184,"end":30669.177,"text":"可是實際上用在實施家庭教育不管是相關人員培訓相關教材相關課程卻只佔了少少的3.8億可是3.8億還要扣掉補助給地方政府的家庭教育中心也就是我們本部在中央"},{"start":30669.737,"end":30691.56,"text":"可用的家庭教育預算其實只剩下五、六千萬我這樣的計算應該是正確的我想要跟部長也跟院長報告來下一頁我們在家庭教育法裡面看到中央必須有所阻責而且做的事情非常非常多我就不一再贅述甚至我們因為家庭教育法我們還有正式編制的家庭教育中心"},{"start":30693.421,"end":30710.988,"text":"家庭教育到底為什麼重要?其實今年全教總也有在呼籲,非常多校園事件家長必須擔負起責任,但我必須要幫家長跟院長還有部長澄清。在這個世代,可能很多人當了爸爸媽媽都還沒有辦法意識到自己是需要學習家庭教育的。"},{"start":30711.368,"end":30725.656,"text":"但如果我們台灣明明有了家庭教育法也有了家庭教育中心為什麼我們沒有辦法積極的提供給爸爸媽媽更多協助如果爸爸媽媽長好了其實孩子們就好了我相信院長跟部長你們自己身為父親一定都很有感覺"},{"start":30726.596,"end":30747.355,"text":"下一頁我在非常多次的質詢或者是在委員會的討論其實我都花了很多力氣包含不要打小孩的正向教養包含我們很在意的親子共讀之前也跟院長討論了用閱讀對抗3C或是良好的親子互動或是性別平權各式各樣的家長服務一直都是我很在意的議題而這些其實都是家庭教育的氛圍"},{"start":30747.975,"end":30774.984,"text":"需要用中央家庭教育的經費或者是教育部補助給各個地方縣市的家庭教育中心他們在辦的課程必須要想辦法去完成這些我所說的還有更多我還來不及提出來的所以我想要請教部長後院長當我們制定了家庭教育法而且我們在22個縣市都有家庭教育中心他們也確實拿到了教育部的補助但是看起來近年來很多人在呼籲"},{"start":30775.782,"end":30798.471,"text":"家庭教育中心或是家庭教育法或者是教育部到底要怎麼樣支持家長完整的學會一個好的家庭教育讓他們協助他們的孩子走進校園或者是面對更多身心健康的議題情緒的困擾3C的議題的時候心裡面會有所本部長謝謝委員關心確實家庭的功能如果能夠發揮"},{"start":30800.148,"end":30822.578,"text":"我相信每一個家庭他會有一個非常健康非常幸福的發展包含他的小孩青少年的一個發展我想這都是一個非常重要的支持力量那就家庭教育這個部分就教育部的一個的立場來看我們怎麼樣透過教育部跟地方這個教育局處來合作我想這是"},{"start":30824.213,"end":30841.893,"text":"責無旁貸的因為我們很清楚各個家庭各個地方縣市的一個家庭他事實上都是在各個縣市的一個所有的一個居民那我們怎麼樣結合地方包括這一個地方的許多的社區資源"},{"start":30843.018,"end":30858.964,"text":"我其實也跟委員報告就像我們最近一直在鼓吹我事實上也一直在談的一個那個SEL我們有許多的民間的團體我們學校怎麼樣這個透過這個家庭教育中心教育基礎透過家庭教育中心"},{"start":30859.224,"end":30859.804,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":30881.049,"end":30882.09,"text":"我相信這都是我們現在在未來即將要在各地方縣市交易局"},{"start":30897.288,"end":30924.157,"text":"局處裡邊透過家庭教育中心裡邊來更積極來推動的我們也希望以家庭為中心來跟學校合作跟社區的一個能量然後希望能夠提供給青少年有一個更好的一個學習的一個成長的一個空間包含剛才委員所提的這個3C的一個使用我們也希望在未來的一個家庭教育裡邊有越來越多的一些科學研究的證據裡邊"},{"start":30925.337,"end":30950.858,"text":"怎麼讓我們的年輕世代的這些這個家庭能夠理解到這個山西的使用對小孩子他可能造成更多的一些負面的情緒緊張壓力焦慮等等憂鬱這些的一個影響所以我想這個都是我們整體在未來我們希望已經都折騰我們這一個不僅是這一個國教署"},{"start":30951.451,"end":30952.612,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":30968.157,"end":30984.789,"text":"家庭教育的一個功能的展現跟一個發展的一個空間謝謝部長我時間有限但是我還是留了很多時間讓部長回應我發現部長你開始知道了很多第一線我們在教育現場基層所遇到的問題而那可能原本是您在大學的領域所不熟悉的"},{"start":30985.149,"end":31012.12,"text":"所以我非常感謝部長從你剛剛講了非常多細的事情包括你都還講出SEL了所以我非常期待在後續很多跟第一線教師第一線家長或者甚至跟孩子們的合作當中我們真的可以看到教育部願意在家庭教育這件事情以國家的高度以行政院的高度給予家長們支持跟協助讓更多家長知道我生了小孩我怎麼養小孩因為這才有可能"},{"start":31012.6,"end":31013.341,"text":"父母跟子女要共同成長"},{"start":31041.141,"end":31046.024,"text":"我剩5秒鐘也就是說家庭教育的事情是國家的事情他不再只是以往我們認為是每一個爸媽的事情再次強調是國家"},{"start":31066.677,"end":31094.624,"text":"好 謝謝陳委員下一位我們請林德福委員質詢謝謝大會主席江屋院長是不是來請這個行政院卓院長請卓院長備詢"},{"start":31103.735,"end":31123.894,"text":"林委員好委員長你好我請教因為美國這個職棒大聯盟這個知名的球星這個大谷祥平他的50轟跟50道的紀錄之第50號全壘打的球這個由臺灣公司以1.4億"},{"start":31125.652,"end":31127.033,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":31143.69,"end":31157.551,"text":"本席認為有助促進整個臺灣棒球發展也能吸引外國觀光客來臺灣本席希望財政部跟交通部能協助"},{"start":31159.153,"end":31159.433,"text":"主席"},{"start":31178.667,"end":31201.298,"text":"非常謝謝委員提到這個重點重大的國際賽事甚至包括奧運或是世界盃足球賽都會帶來該城市該國家一個很大的一個觀光產業那臺灣我們未來在運動部的投射過程當中運動產業是一個裡面重要的精神跟支柱希望以後會結合所有的產業界用更科技的方式"},{"start":31201.818,"end":31207.645,"text":"讓我們的運動能夠形成一個全民可以參與的產業甚至因為舉辦以台灣為元素的國際大賽帶動整個運動賽事以及觀光產業的結合"},{"start":31213.203,"end":31233.737,"text":"我希望說一定要有這種想法因為我們的講出來觀光人數進來的這個一年一年減少今年只剩700多萬那當然我們是希望說能夠往上提升那你就是只要在各種賽事甚至於也可以增加我們很多運動的人口等等"},{"start":31234.497,"end":31253.869,"text":"我們都要去規劃尤其在整個行政院的團隊裡面在這方面要去重視另外我再請教卓院長因為像美國總統候選人川普日前他表示說臺灣偷走美國晶片的產業揚言要對臺灣晶片課徵關稅"},{"start":31258.593,"end":31271.392,"text":"外界認為,如果川普當選,將會對美國科技類股的股價產生影響,台股與美股有高度連動。"},{"start":31274.515,"end":31296.162,"text":"臺股目前漲勢又以科技類股居多本席提醒行政院要密切注意美國大選對尤其是勞退基金、勞保基金衝擊的影響也要請問何部長,像勞退基金、勞保基金目前的整個績效如何?"},{"start":31297.602,"end":31298.142,"text":"院長,你有什麼看法?"},{"start":31320.776,"end":31321.697,"text":"主委長,你有什麼看法?"},{"start":31350.863,"end":31367.171,"text":"跟委員報告三點。第一個,我們的晶圓代工產業是因為台灣有優秀的勞工人力以及我們的產業鏈,形成了一個台灣非常領先的產業。第二個,我們這個全世界的供應鏈,台灣的重要地位,我們日益增加。"},{"start":31371.495,"end":31386.773,"text":"三、台美關係是長年來往良性發展而且是快速的穩定當中。所以未來美國透過民主大選產生出來的民主政府跟台美關係持續強化應該是沒有問題的。當然我們會加強努力。"},{"start":31387.153,"end":31411.096,"text":"那要是說他一直說要我們收我們的保護費啊甚至於說我們的臺灣晶片的整個課徵未來在關稅方面他給你拉拉的很高我們會說你臺灣是全力在保護我們自己我們自己保護我們自己我們負國際的責任我們也肩負區域安全跟穩定的責任我想這個全世界對臺灣都是認定肯定的那個卓院長"},{"start":31411.756,"end":31432.466,"text":"像勞保潛藏的負債會隨著人口老化、人口紅利的消失等等因素逐年來擴大那勞保潛藏的負債其實已經達到11.8兆元那請問勞動部何部長最新勞保財務精算報告何時會對外公布"},{"start":31433.446,"end":31447.337,"text":"委員是指最新一期的嗎?對明年初我們會公布明年初會公布?對本期是希望卓院長、行政院何時能夠提出勞保年金的改革的一個方案讓外界一起討論否則這個"},{"start":31450.52,"end":31451.101,"text":"因為你現在負債那麼高"},{"start":31466.46,"end":31474.564,"text":"委員長,那個,跟委員報告,我們114年度的預算已經編了1300億的撥補預算,進貴院,那我們期待貴院能趕快將總預算的審議過程完成,這就是,委員,撥補也是改革的一環,撥補也是改革的一環,"},{"start":31493.013,"end":31493.653,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":31514.042,"end":31520.746,"text":"何部長期限給我,那時候每年就是編這樣來補,補典就好了這個齁,何部長你也做過,做過那個,他們那個主任齁我相信你很清楚啦,這個就是迴避就是駝鳥我認為要面對現實,針對問題,探討問題,怎麼去解決問題,那個才是正道"},{"start":31539.378,"end":31556.964,"text":"請委員理解我們先明年的預算我們先用這樣的方式來處理我們知道未來它可能產生現在我們預測跟預測不到的各種狀況所以我們會假設各種情況再做進步的這個處理那提出一個可久可大可長可久的方式來解決這個剛剛何部長講的那個我都聽不下去啦那是鴕鳥啦"},{"start":31562.006,"end":31568.089,"text":"長期的規劃院一定會負起這樣的責任我跟行政官員來互動我要求的都是針對問題我不會給你戴帽子但是我們要解決問題這才是正道那個我再請教那個卓院長因為捷運建設"},{"start":31586.857,"end":31606.884,"text":"通常都需要10年以上的籌建。國會還特別製作過一個圖卡說明一條決運從規劃完工整個要多少時間。那我就舉例,像雙河有一條決運萬大線第一期114年交通部就編列預算"},{"start":31608.044,"end":31630.823,"text":"那這個當然編列11億那目前進度來到76.2%預計在2026年可以完工推動地方交通建設本席認為這是不分黨派的那地方中央都要支持那未來整個萬大縣萬大中和縣第一期完工後再確保民眾搭乘安全"},{"start":31631.824,"end":31642.673,"text":"的前提下,本席是希望交通部能承諾要加速旅刊作業,排除政治考量及早核准營運的通車。"},{"start":31649.724,"end":31679.504,"text":"因為這個不要拖拉那本席也關心這個中和光武線上次本席也問過這個陳部長那因為雙核地區的鄉親講實在話他們也甚至於民意代表都不分黨派大家都支持因為那裡天天塞車很嚴重而且這一條線要是說真的有開始運作的話未來對整個大巨蛋那裡的人潮可以發揮分流的效果"},{"start":31679.684,"end":31680.484,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":31702.865,"end":31722.75,"text":"重大的交通建設包括軌道建設跟國家的發展息息相關現在台灣各縣市都還有陸續相當多的連續性的軌道建設在施工當中所以國發會會從國家發展的眼光來看每個均衡台灣的重大交通建設部長也支持而且上次"},{"start":31723.91,"end":31749.45,"text":"這個也在我那裡開過卸貸會他們都同意包括雙北的這個捷運局包括我們交通部都支持而且那裡大家當天都有簽名現在就是說他的可行性研究因為可行性研究沒有多少錢可行性研究我們在等臺北市政府他們的整體入網的整個規劃的預算出來之後我們會來支持但是他目前規劃還沒有出來大概"},{"start":31750.01,"end":31773.144,"text":"一百一十四年的部分他籌劃好了給我們我們就會來協助我希望這個事情能夠積極的推這個預算過來我們也都會盡量配合另外我再請教經濟部郭部長也請你過來好不好因為郭部長說水價沒有調漲的計畫那我請問左院長這個承諾有效期到底有多久"},{"start":31774.686,"end":31800.366,"text":"水的價錢 水價其實台灣的水價也大家外界一直有討論那我們在節約用水的情況底下我們第一個是鼓勵大家能夠節約第二個要請大家珍惜水源台灣開發水非常的不易那現在長期以來我們水價的偏低這也是一個事實那如果能夠用更好的宣導方式來告訴水價這樣的水就全世界來看我們是非常便宜的"},{"start":31800.526,"end":31801.386,"text":"水價不調漲是四年有效還是一年有效?"},{"start":31818.619,"end":31840.606,"text":"當然我們也希望說要有深度的絕約的這個絕能的計畫本期也希望行政院能夠推動一些省水產品能夠做一些補助這個運用部分耗水費收入來補助民眾更換這個省水的洗衣機、省水的馬桶這個節水能夠減碳一舉兩得"},{"start":31845.407,"end":31866.718,"text":"那我請問卓院長114年是否有相關省水補助的計畫來幫助民眾汰換這些耗水的產品有沒有我們會在這一次的這個深度節能的這個計畫裡面把這些耗能的設備能夠更新那這個部分是我在計畫裡面有在計畫裡面就是有補助"},{"start":31870.64,"end":31893.658,"text":"因為有補助才有誘因嘛你沒有補助他一樣耗那麼多的水你要是有補助他可能就有誘因像其他其實有很多其他的產品政府認為說那個可以節能就可以有補助那補助就有誘因他就長期下來就可以節很多的水"},{"start":31894.719,"end":31907.647,"text":"我們會把委員這個寶貴意見帶回去再來深度研究一下應該是可以做的該做則做其實那個不必拖啦因為這個對整體來講這個是這個比較長遠的一個做法"},{"start":31911.394,"end":31924.169,"text":"二、本期注意到水資源作業基金今年113年的編列耗水會有5億元收入但到114年的時候卻只剩3億6千多萬元換句話說少了1億4千多萬"},{"start":31929.52,"end":31935.505,"text":"現在有一些就是科技業因為我們現在這個水然後我們有海水氹化"},{"start":31958.484,"end":31962.065,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":31988.593,"end":31989.193,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":32029.244,"end":32057.429,"text":"好謝謝林德浦委員下一位我們請王正旭委員質詢"},{"start":32090.454,"end":32096.396,"text":"謝謝主席。我們有請卓院長及衛福部邱部長。卓院長、邱部長請備選。今天要來請教"},{"start":32115.885,"end":32116.725,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":32144.887,"end":32167.995,"text":"主決議的內容就是希望在明年的6月30日以前我們這個醫院服務的點值要到達1.095元這樣的一個成效那這一部分不知道目前包括卓院長還有部長努力的成果做了哪一些的努力那進度可不可以再次跟國人做個報告"},{"start":32169.346,"end":32188.045,"text":"好 謝謝委員大院的主決議對行政院來講都是非常的重視的也是讓我們有一個改革目標的一個衝勁我們希望往這個目標能夠全力的來達成但過程當中經過什麼樣的途徑用什麼樣的時程甚至要用什麼樣的經費預算來達成就要由我們的"},{"start":32189.386,"end":32208.339,"text":"主管部會來做詳細的規劃那這個怎麼情境我想明年的預算我們已經呈現出一部分往這個目標走的相關的預算那到底他執行的效率如何到明年的6月30號會到達什麼程度我想請衛生部來做一個說明但是很多都是現在的預估"},{"start":32210.502,"end":32225.192,"text":"謝謝委員 歡迎我想委員是專家我們在過去當然就是都有補點子的機制所以也曾經在112年、113年政府撥補到健保基金240億以及去年的200億那這個都是在COVID以後因為"},{"start":32236.977,"end":32251.776,"text":"因為那個病人增加增加了很多醫療援手的負擔所以就有補點值讓他到一定的程度我想這個部分是過去的努力我想未來我們也會關心"},{"start":32253.069,"end":32278.657,"text":"那在114年度在健康台灣願景之下其實有分了三個部分來成長第一個就是由我們的一個藝助健保的一個財務的一個協助方案這個大概有336億那當然另外特別是在那個深耕計畫的一個60億這個是就是您"},{"start":32280.959,"end":32309.591,"text":"就是您王委員現在提的這個部分如何來留下人才留好的人才在醫療體系怎麼優化他們的工作環境還有整個醫療環境最重要是讓人民的醫療品質得到最提升然後健保能夠永續的一個深耕計畫這個也是創醫療界可以說是臺灣的醫療史裡面第一次非常重要的一個一個計畫那另外就是在"},{"start":32310.191,"end":32337.5,"text":"行政院也非常支持我們的總額這個部分我想這個部分是大家都很清楚總額過去的成長都很少超過都是4點多比較多今年我們的高推估到達5點多所以在低推估就已經多了大概有可能有300多億那高推估又多了100多億所以在這個部分就可能有多500總額大概可以多到500"},{"start":32339.224,"end":32342.386,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":32355.603,"end":32370.174,"text":"很多都是健康台灣的努力讓我們醫療院所的同仁更能夠為人民來做更多的事情那個我們不把他加入在這個健保裡面所以181億加530億所以大概明年健保的總額就可以增加712億那當然這個部分如果要談到點子我們當然強調的"},{"start":32381.923,"end":32407.567,"text":"更重要是它的怎麼去發揮這個健保的價值這個部分是我們一直以過去所堅持的那當然點子我們也要關心這個部分也要看也要到各因為另外也要做好管理在各區裡面我們都有自治性的管理那像台北區在過去基層真的是比較比較弱一點那這個部分都是因為有"},{"start":32408.592,"end":32409.293,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":32423.922,"end":32425.703,"text":"我大概有這樣的論意"},{"start":32446.454,"end":32466.677,"text":"院長早上的報告讓我們知道在明年的總額實質上會增加712億希望能夠達標至少一點可以維持0.95元我們也知道臺灣的健保制度一直受到全球的推崇對於民眾的這些"},{"start":32467.498,"end":32468.159,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":32490.681,"end":32518.007,"text":"會看到一些需要在解決的問題包括在一屆很擔心如果說我們的點子無法維持好的點子的話那導致經營的困難所以很希望透過各方面的努力來保障點子希望有更好的這個營運上面包括照顧民眾的健康可以有更好的量能不管是研究或者是服務或者是教育的部分都能夠達到好的量能"},{"start":32518.387,"end":32518.907,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":32543.985,"end":32545.226,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":32563.001,"end":32590.772,"text":"相關的這些醫事方面的機構還有政府都必須要有共同的來針對於未來的變化還要再加強這一部分我們就麻煩院長跟部長持續來努力當然我們期待民眾端就能夠盡量的去讓這個醫療資源的利用可以更為依照民眾的需求來處理那對於醫療服務提供者我們也期待能夠有好的一些同儕的管理"},{"start":32591.212,"end":32592.372,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":32607.608,"end":32627.411,"text":"當然部長其實也提到另外一個重點因為我們現在全國是分成六區那這個六區的過程裡面就會有一些區域上的一些問題產生就變成說不同的分區點子公平性的問題會衝擊蠻大的我們可以看到一個數據就是今年第一季"},{"start":32629.161,"end":32656.815,"text":"有關於這個我們的健保分區可以看到臺北分區還有北區還有中區點子就因為可能是COVID以後的一些影響或者是天候的影響造成這個點子非常非常的不理想甚至會低到這個平均點子在0.85以下那這部分不知道院長或部長可以做哪一些的努力或者是來怎麼樣來改變這個"},{"start":32659.212,"end":32675.679,"text":"因為分區造成了一些影響,院長不曉得有沒有想法?有關於今年度算出來的確是有幾個區,它是比較偏低"},{"start":32676.707,"end":32697.469,"text":"尤其是三個區,那台北區大概是最嚴重,一直都是這樣子。那我們也依照去年的一個補值的狀況,我們也文健保署也簽了一個補點值的方案,那因為那個部分可以動用,我們現在去年有200億到"},{"start":32699.071,"end":32701.333,"text":"按照以前我們大家討論的一個方式"},{"start":32715.868,"end":32716.508,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":32732.619,"end":32734.14,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議"},{"start":32756.158,"end":32762.591,"text":"一點0.9的這個狀況底下一定要往上拉高沒有達到的我們要靠整個制度的檢討來將它補足"},{"start":32764.562,"end":32792.643,"text":"明年我們如果能到朝0.95這個目標來前進這個是我們共同的努力方向那當然我們也知道說除了維持點子以外其實有一些是要優先來處理包括集中南韓還有偏向跟兒童醫療的部分那這部分應該院長跟部長都會同意吧就是說我們在保障點子的同時這其實都有都已經有保障那我們會特別注意到他實際上他付出"},{"start":32793.283,"end":32795.525,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。．完整會議二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":32816.88,"end":32843.356,"text":"因為專家的意見其實也告訴我們說我們不是在追求保障點子而已其實我們也需要有更多的多元的改革方案來讓我們的健保可以永續那講到這個健保財務多元的微調方案其實包括部分負擔的薪資上入一年來可以看到有非常好的成果那這部分我們期待未來能夠再根據這個未來有關於部分負擔的差異化的"},{"start":32844.318,"end":32845.238,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":32861.885,"end":32886.621,"text":"謝謝,我想分級醫療是世界的潮流臺灣其實從民國75年的醫療網開始就是在建立一個很好的各地方的分級醫療到現在但是因為後來意願實在是一直強大起來所以分級醫療在推的成果的確是需要再加把勁這當中當然要配合財務的"},{"start":32889.69,"end":32891.091,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":32919.912,"end":32944.565,"text":"跟全國的民眾講基層的醫師臺灣的基層醫師都是非常優秀的而且都能夠做你全能的照顧他可以從篩檢從你的疾病的篩檢就可以在你最方便的方式到達甚至你的老人家的一個在家照顧安老善終這整個基層醫師系統下可以做很多的事情而且很有品質"},{"start":32945.895,"end":32956.641,"text":"如果在配合分級醫療這樣的話我如果全國的民眾能夠都能瞭解這樣的一個方式這樣的一個體系大家來配合我相信我們會變成很有效率的一個醫療體系"},{"start":32957.847,"end":32984.295,"text":"那針對這個健保法的部分的修正包括適度調高補充保費還有提高這個扣稅的上限也希望院長到時候能夠支持是不是來往這邊修法那另外有關於這個商保合作健保的部分我們很期待經過這個國會院一年的努力討論以後其實也希望能夠有健保協同商保這個第二層政策保險的部分"},{"start":32985.925,"end":33006.282,"text":"目前下禮拜二就會有一個結案報告這個主持人盧教授很希望有機會再跟院長做一個比較全面的相關的報告不知道院長有沒有機會來接受這樣的報告的這種研議的機會好謝謝委員我們跟衛福部都會很審慎來因應這個修法的相關"},{"start":33017.78,"end":33023.985,"text":"謝謝王委員謝謝卓院長下一位請鄭天才委員質詢主席"},{"start":33046.499,"end":33047.6,"text":"因為康瑞颱風造成臺灣地區很多災情"},{"start":33072.335,"end":33100.631,"text":"那花蓮臺東這個災情也是非常的嚴重這個很像花蓮的吉安鄉還有這個相關的這些無論是房子或是道路還有農損還有這個以臺東縣那個黃建斌委員特別請我來跟院長還有跟相關的部會當然未來相關部會也都會很辛苦的來去協助這些災"},{"start":33101.738,"end":33103.239,"text":"二、這個就是也是包括有農損也有"},{"start":33128.973,"end":33148.84,"text":"好,我們現在就談今天的總預算了這個因為涉及到很多的部會那我們就請這個行政院主計長主計總署主計長來代表各部會請各部會首長能夠也能夠這個好好的了解一下"},{"start":33150.748,"end":33175.149,"text":"中央政府總預算案這個說明裡面特別提到114年度原住民主相關經費合計377.3億看起來這個數字非常非常的大但是我們看這個前瞻基礎建設就不用換不用不用好前瞻基礎建設這個703億5萬元"},{"start":33179.451,"end":33207.571,"text":"那原住民的部分6億6億4940萬佔百分之0.09其中6億多媒體宣傳就1600萬佔了百分之2.5真的是太多了這個延命會要檢討好西胖的原住民主預算我來做一個讓"},{"start":33209.502,"end":33235.692,"text":"院長、讓主計長、讓各部會首長能夠了解。寫了這麼多,159.46億。然後我們看這個公路系統新建、國家風景期、農田水利,還有整體性赤山防災等等,都不應該列為原住民主義算。幾個例子。"},{"start":33238.446,"end":33261.254,"text":"臺九縣花東縱谷公路安全景觀大道其中臺九縣從花蓮的木瓜溪一直到臺東跟花蓮的縣界一百一十四年度編列以二十二億四千四百五十萬元說明你們寫得很清楚錢數"},{"start":33266.075,"end":33268.117,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":33294.912,"end":33318.879,"text":"花東縱谷安全景觀大道臺東段的部分從花蓮的縣界一直到臺東市的綠色隧道全數114年度7億9千4百萬這些道路不是只有原住民在走我們還是算少生活圈道路也是一樣"},{"start":33320.064,"end":33348.103,"text":"前述預計8億8千7百72萬8千元省道,省道也是一樣剛才那個臺九縣那個也是省道了這另外一個省道改善計畫原住民族地區10億億5千5百44萬8千元都不應該列為原住民族的預算速發公路安前景觀大道這個院長期了兩次"},{"start":33355.424,"end":33364.752,"text":"一百一十四年到一百二十三年度,總共一千零五十六億。那就一百一十四年度來講,五千兩百三十萬元。錢數啊,錢數。"},{"start":33369.52,"end":33378.303,"text":"所以這個部分都不應該所以這個部分幾例子一樣省道的養護這些20億8259萬6千元這個水庫及水區而且是國有林國有林治理5億9400萬六月延遲民主預算"},{"start":33396.898,"end":33425.558,"text":"農田水利快意整合,農地重化,還有農田水利事業。經濟部的中央管的留意,整體改善計畫5億,農田水利事業6億多,農村再生,山村綠色。二點,只要是再研製民族地區都列入,前瞻基礎建設提升道路品質,"},{"start":33426.294,"end":33453.268,"text":"提升到交通部、內政部、農業部、國有林的治理、經濟部、縣市管河川,還有數位發展部,強化偏鄉,偏鄉不是只有原住民,偏鄉第7,內政部有定義,原住民是其中一部分而已。所以,這樣的一個預算,我要特別建議,"},{"start":33454.788,"end":33483.428,"text":"如果真的要算的話就是各部會誤以為了誤以為原住民族第7都是原住民不是啊以花蓮市來講它是原住民族第7啊原住民是1%而已啊以花蓮市來講所以這個部分是這樣那應該要怎麼樣真的要算的話那就要以原住民族基本法"},{"start":33484.224,"end":33508.93,"text":"第二條,部落,部落有定義,這個是經中央原子民主機關核定的部落,它有定義,部落,所以真的要去算的話不是要以原子民主地區,應該要以部落或是家父或是個人,當然就不好算了,所以就不要算了。"},{"start":33509.795,"end":33510.736,"text":"委員剛剛提出了很多"},{"start":33528.206,"end":33528.326,"text":"我給你看啊"},{"start":33558.167,"end":33586.923,"text":"這是114到123啊,整個是一千多億啦但是114年度是列了五千多萬這五千多萬也不應該列入,為什麼?抒發公路、抒發案、抒發...那是整體的一個交通建設不能全部都,不是只有原住民在走所以這個部分是一個需要去...我的建議就是以後就不要列了"},{"start":33589.117,"end":33614.939,"text":"請主計長說明一下文字的記載跟統計出來的統計的標準到底是一個什麼樣的依據過去是怎麼處理那現在怎麼處理是我們一般都是以那個整個整體經費然後大概裡面他會談到就是說哪一些區域是屬於原住民的一個部落的一個部分他這個會特別備註而已啦好那個那個院長、主計長還有各部會首長"},{"start":33616.584,"end":33638.512,"text":"真的要算的話就以部落、家戶或個人,然後呢,真正要去解決的,院長,真正要解決的是這些,平均收入原住民與非原住民的平均收入的差距這個落差,怎麼樣去縮短預算的編列,政策的執行推動,"},{"start":33639.773,"end":33640.694,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":33660.715,"end":33688.144,"text":"原住民的相關的生活就是靠教育但是這個出債協力越來越大就是要去解決這些問題住宅自由率落差10%所以預算的編列要因縮減沿岸的生活落差的差距剛剛有講了沒有講到自來水普及率相關的這些"},{"start":33689.624,"end":33716.955,"text":"應該是往這個方向去努力這個部分未來應該合適的來編列接下來原住民主懇求行政院卑微的懇求行政院依法行政依法編組預算我們看這個這是列壇的照片列壇非原住民的土地蓋大飯店"},{"start":33717.932,"end":33744.859,"text":"原住民的土地在上游,強制造林,禁止砍伐。我以這個為例。事實上,讓院長知道,臺灣省政府民國82年就開始禁伐補償。他說用要點,當初多少?每公頃2萬塊,到明年是已經32年了。32年的物價指數各方面來算,"},{"start":33747.47,"end":33772.808,"text":"6萬塊不算高好113年6月4號韓院長組織朝野協商的時候行政院各相關的部會在場的都沒有一個不會說可不可以先提高到4萬塊沒有預算那個議事記錄都很清楚既然修正了原住民保育地信法補償條例第6條"},{"start":33775.393,"end":33803.122,"text":"六月四日三讀通過,行政院為一憲法體複一。我也謝謝過院長,對不對?你沒有體複一,就是竊認無自愛難行。愛總統六月二十四日公布,院長你也附屬了,你的名字、大名也在這裡,也附屬了。所以,預算的編列就應該編組,但是呢,從公布預算28億,然後"},{"start":33805.404,"end":33809.607,"text":"二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。二、上午9時為國是論壇時間。"},{"start":33835.543,"end":33857.488,"text":"保護區、水源特定區、國家公園的區域都不是我們以森林法來講禁止砍伐的請求補償,就是要補償所以原住民族基本法21條規定限制原住民使用他的土地的時候應由該主管機關來做補償"},{"start":33861.061,"end":33888.917,"text":"是誰來補償啊?就是生意法的主管機關,水土保持法的主管機關啊。所以,你現在主管機關都是農業部啊。對不對?一生意法、延期法,應該有農業部支應這個預算啊,現在放在延民會,然後又把它列在這個,又把它列在延民會的。就院長或是主計長就說,讓延民會的預算成長太多,"},{"start":33890.688,"end":33912.002,"text":"一法就應該一法一延期法延期法原住民族基本法就我們原住民族園是我們的憲法就應該要由各部會由各部會來編類但是所以這個部分一法也不應該用什麼基金為什麼呢因為延期法18條規定"},{"start":33913.639,"end":33939.976,"text":"發基金是作為經濟發展業務﹖作為經濟貸款﹖很多年輕人要貸款﹖更需要﹖所以預算書也規定﹖是預算法第4條第1項、第2款、第4目﹖凡付出人可收回﹖進房補償﹖付出去收不回來﹖所以,綜合發展基金不可以使用。立法一樣做過決議﹖"},{"start":33942.423,"end":33963.505,"text":"做過決議第9屆的時候,民進黨是絕對多數也同意進法補償不能用基金,因為它是違反預算法。所以我跟委員報告,我剛剛委員所說的,我是建議委員不用、不必用卑微跟懇求四個字,我們只要互相尊重。那麼在憲法跟法律的底下,大家協商出一個"},{"start":33967.995,"end":33984.452,"text":"三、四、五、六、七、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、一、二、三、四、十、"},{"start":33985.653,"end":34010.259,"text":"一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八、七、八"},{"start":34014.11,"end":34032.624,"text":"好,謝謝政委員。報告院會本日排定質詢的委員均已詢答完畢。謝謝左院長及相關部會首長列席答詢。11月5日星期二上午9時繼續開會,進行預算報告之質詢。現在休息。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}