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Kacaw委員：這個跟總預算沒有關係，主計長。"],["陳主計長淑姿：是，追加預算看要追加哪些項目，然後要做彙整。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：很清楚的部分……"],["陳主計長淑姿：彙整之後再確認追加預算的時程，因為項目的多寡會影響到作業時間，所以等於說如果將來追加預算……"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：兩回事，你可以分兩次，這是兩回事。第一個，113年11月7日卓院長承諾禁伐補償要追加預算，你不要跟別的扯在一起，好不好？趕快送來，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭委員，主計處趕快按照立法院的決議做。","接著請許宇甄委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":376,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-20-15","speakers":["賴士葆","吳秉叡","鍾佳濱","李坤城","林德福","陳玉珍","黃珊珊","王鴻薇","賴惠員","郭國文","李彥秀","顏寬恒","王世堅","黃國昌","羅明才","鄭天財Sra 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