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Kacaw委員：今天的主題是針對臺灣世界遺產潛力點推動現況，還有申登世界遺產相關的專題報告。我們看保護世界文化和自然遺產公約，很明確列了文化和自然遺產的定義，今天你們報告的「附錄一、18處臺灣世界遺產潛力點」，總共列了18個，像馬祖戰地文化、淡水紅毛城，還有臺鐵舊山線、樂生療養院、烏山頭水庫、金門戰地文化、澎湖等，也有提到大屯山，像臺東的卑南遺址、蘭嶼聚落、排灣族及魯凱族石板屋，這些都有列，包括太魯閣國家公園，基本上你們跟剛剛講的「保護世界文化和自然遺產公約」都有密切符合嗎？"],["李次長靜慧：對，我們就是依照不論是文化遺產或是自然遺產，它都有一些準則，這些準則裡面，我們有一個分數評分加總。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我的建議啦，因為希望能夠申登，雖然我們還不是會員。不是會員可以申登嗎？不行。但是我們要做到可以申登、要符合申登，而且能夠被申登，有相關這些遺產的話，你再爭取才有更好的理由，所以這部分我希望往這個方向去。"],["李次長靜慧：是的，我們會依照這個標準。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：因為我目前初步這樣看，這個都要做，沒有錯，但是會不會是最近幾十年的事情？很多都是最近幾十年的，所以這個部分是我們需要去思考的。何況我們要去連結的話，臺灣就原住民南島語系的民族而言，美國的專家都說南島語系民族的發源地是在臺灣，如果我們能夠去連結這部分，是不是在論述各方面爭取的理由和機會會更多？所以我們儘量、儘可能跟南島語系這個部分，都要做，沒有錯啦，你們列了這18處也要做，但是要能夠更強化，就是去做跟南島民族有關的這些遺址或是這些遺產，去把它連結，可能會更有論述的基礎，好不好？我做這樣的建議。"],["李次長靜慧：我們會注意來努力。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，談到原住民族，像花蓮的崇德遺址就是很重要的，像在花蓮壽豐鄉的水璉遺址跟靜浦那些都有關聯。事實上，如果列出花蓮的考古遺址，這都是民間做的，有一部分相關，過去的文建會、文化部也都有支持，這裡面光花蓮就這麼多，還有臺東，所以這部分需要文化部來勉勵，也希望文化部能夠加油。","有關文化資產保存法第三條特別提到文化資產，列了好幾項，另外就是文化資產保存法第十三條，我在當第8屆立委時，也特別增加了原住民的條文：「原住民族文化資產所涉以下事項，其處理辦法由中央主管機關會同中央原住民族主管機關定之」，有列了這些規定，所以後來這個辦法也訂了，111年是修正，之前更早，這個修正不過是一些比較細微的部分，很重要。對於在106年之後執行的狀況和一些成果，可以提出書面報告嗎？"],["李次長靜慧：好，可以，我們在兩個月內跟委員提一個報告。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：請提出書面成果資料給本席。這個部分是我們要繼續努力的地方，這是讓文化部能夠有更好的一個方向，以上，謝謝。"],["李次長靜慧：謝謝委員，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝鄭天財委員，次長請回。","我們接下來請張啓楷委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":132,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-15","speakers":["林宜瑾","柯志恩","劉書彬","葛如鈞","吳沛憶","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","張雅琳","范雲","林沛祥","徐富癸","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","萬美玲","吳思瑤","李坤城","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","張啓楷","陳培瑜","林月琴","羅廷瑋","陳冠廷","葉元之","謝龍介","林倩綺"],"page_start":59,"meetingDate":["2025-06-05"],"gazette_id":"1145701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145701_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部次長李靜慧列席，就「臺灣世界遺產潛力點推動現況，暨欲求申登世界遺產必先完善\n我國潛力點保存」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1145701_00002"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}