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現在剩一個到兩個啦 據點啦剩一個到兩個了那你這樣已經不服防衛的需求了吧對不起你的我能夠"},{"start":908.188,"end":936.998,"text":"能夠做一個觀光在戰時的時候這些據點也不會荒廢嘛是不是部隊進入據點馬上就可以作戰啦這對軍方來講也是好事啊你們不能夠從觀光的這個方向去考慮這個問題嗎是不是一旦他們攻打過來南竿北竿有兵力能夠支援高登嗎也支援不了啊也支援不了啊那你不如開放觀光是不是老百姓在有觀光客在那個島上"},{"start":938.117,"end":965.492,"text":"他們解放軍也不會輕易的發射火箭或是發射砲彈來打嘛是不是現在都是用火箭啦我剛才講的兩次動大砲,155加砲因為莊田的速度還有目前衛星的監測這種的火力都已經慢慢要淘汰了所以當然希望你們在防衛任性的部分對馬祖的部署希望能夠加強而且要注意好不好部長"},{"start":966.516,"end":988.19,"text":"那個當然今天最重要的還是一個是飛機啦,經濟能夠支援我們還有這個大大腦開放的問題,好不好還有這個靶場的問題,希望部長能夠用心回去的時候能夠幫我們想一想辦法能夠做一些改善跟解決,部長可以嗎?我會請他們來進行研議再去跟我報告這樣好,謝謝部長"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}