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字幕組"},{"start":1867.128,"end":1874.112,"text":"中央銀行股息紅利繳固部分．二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案．行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳固部分．二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案．"},{"start":1895.043,"end":1904.468,"text":"二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於中央銀行含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠。宣導完畢。好,謝謝。我們現在先介紹在場的委員。林登虎委員。好,謝謝。是,謝謝喔。那我們再介紹議會的官員。中央銀行楊金龍總裁。"},{"start":1926.598,"end":1945.842,"text":"我們的業務局潘局長花型局我們的鄧局長外匯局我們蔡局長國庫局我們賀局長金融業務檢察處我們的潘處長經濟研究處吳處長秘書處梁處長會計處郭處長"},{"start":1957.003,"end":1968.607,"text":"資訊處李處長人事室張主任華盧室吳主任中央印製廠林總經理團銀號中央造幣廠葉廠長接著我們介紹財政部莊部長"},{"start":1981.425,"end":1983.246,"text":"金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭主委國際業務處賴處長銀行局莊局長"},{"start":2009.861,"end":2033.924,"text":"政見期貨局張局長保險局王局長檢察局童局長臺灣政見交易所我們的林修敏林董事長李總經理歡迎那我們櫃買中心我們簡立中董事長"},{"start":2036.877,"end":2041.822,"text":"行政院主計處我們主計總處公務預算處專門委員李專門委員還基金預算處黃專門委員"},{"start":2055.802,"end":2056.142,"text":"中央銀行"},{"start":2083.374,"end":2112.734,"text":"股息、紅利、腳庫的部分：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案護屬單位預算營業部門：營業部：部分有關中央銀行含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠的預算案：那預算的部分我們就是請答：那我們現在先請中央銀行楊總裁進行專題及預算案的內容報告"},{"start":2124.543,"end":2131.909,"text":"主席、各位委員、各位女士、先生、大家早。"},{"start":2133.303,"end":2155.99,"text":"今天曾邀來貴委員會報告本行的部分總共有三個部分第一個部分是美國新任總統的貿易政策對台灣經濟與金融穩定之可能影響與對策專題報告第二部分是114年度中央政府總預算行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳戶部分"},{"start":2156.61,"end":2164,"text":"第三部分是114年度中央銀行含中央印製造幣廠、中央印製廠業務計畫及營業預算報告第一部分專題報告"},{"start":2174.084,"end":2187.697,"text":"我們的第一部分是回顧川普總統首次任期之貿易政策及其對台灣之影響那麼這個報告都有事先給各位委員所以請參考那請翻開第4頁"},{"start":2192.495,"end":2217.657,"text":"2018年以來美中爭端持續提高各國貿易成本不利全球經貿發展為政府順勢推動投資台灣三大方案具成效廠商擴大在台投資使得轉單效應底下的部分全球貿易需求下降的衝擊此外COVID-19疫情帶來遠距商機以及AI等新興科技應用熱絡"},{"start":2218.658,"end":2231.828,"text":"高科技業者持續在臺擴展高階製程及增產高負價價值產品使得臺灣整體外貿表現及經濟成長及物價的控制都優於亞洲鄰國"},{"start":2237.625,"end":2264.643,"text":"第六、另外2018年6月以來卦吾山說美中貿易衝突升溫以及朱多飛預期事件接連發生迄今新台幣表現相當穩定,臺股亦表現亮麗這個請各位參考第二部分八美國新任總統的貿易政策對台灣經濟與金融穩定之可能影響與對策"},{"start":2266.164,"end":2280.93,"text":"一、美中競爭態勢不變川普新貿易政策恐擴大台灣全球貿易衝突與科技競爭由於關稅政策外溢的影響最大"},{"start":2283.501,"end":2302.656,"text":"請關開第10頁第一是國際貿易基金IMF他的一個預測我們可以看到就是說如果說美國對包含中國大陸在內的所有貿易對手國可增10%的關稅的話那麼"},{"start":2306.999,"end":2318.845,"text":"這個整個全球的經濟的影響在第一年2025年它會下降0.3%2026年是負的0.5%2027年是負的0.6%那同時美國華府的那個PIE它也有估測如果說對中國大陸加徵60%的關稅的話那對整個中國大陸的影響跟美國的影響這個請各位參考"},{"start":2335.634,"end":2361.24,"text":"第11月隨市場對川普新政策的預期：近期全球金融市場大幅的波動請各位參考特別是12月的表3跟表4對我們的匯率跟我們的股市的影響三、美國未來採行新貿易政策可能透過多重管道來影響台灣的經濟金融前景"},{"start":2362.801,"end":2379.018,"text":"第一個是全球經濟成長動能會趨緩、全球通膨趨深的影響第二個是中國大陸經濟動能的弱化的影響還有第三是美國貨幣政策不確定性的影響請翻開第14頁"},{"start":2381.781,"end":2398.259,"text":"那麼四、美國新貿易政策的左向將影響台灣經濟成長動能本行將持續關注美國重大政策的施行足跡來調整經濟成長與同盤展望並採取妥適的貨幣政策來因應第15頁五、"},{"start":2399.5,"end":2422.222,"text":"美中貿易爭端以後臺灣對美國的貿易順差大幅擴增就臺灣兩項貿易指標已觸及美國財政部的匯率政策報告檢視標準的因應這一個在17月這邊我們在掛無二我們有本行對美國匯率政策報告的一個對策請各位參考第18月6"},{"start":2423.263,"end":2450.336,"text":"美國新貿易政策具高度不確定性可能加劇國內金融市場的波動本行會妥適採行金融市場穩定措施來維持國內的匯市的穩定第二個部分是我們114年度中央政府總預算案行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳戶的部分本行在114年度預算繳交國庫關係紅利"},{"start":2452.017,"end":2472.063,"text":"全數列為行政院歲入預算即新台幣兩千億兩千九百一四萬兩千元較一百一十三年度預算繳戶數增加兩百零八萬兩千元請翻開二十頁第三個部分是一百一十四年度中央銀行業務計劃及營業預算報告有關我們的業務的計劃的重點請各位參考"},{"start":2481.964,"end":2483.927,"text":"二、23月3、114年度營業預算編列的情形．請各位寬開25頁二、營業收支及營餘"},{"start":2493.817,"end":2502.539,"text":"一、營業總收入本行含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠114年度預算營業總收入為新台幣4261億7779萬6千元較上年度預算數增加136億6673萬1千元增加率為3.31%"},{"start":2515.962,"end":2525.284,"text":"瓜吳二、營業總支出本行含中央造幣廠跟硬市場114年度預算營業總支出為新台幣2,508億5,779萬4千元較上年度總預算數增加136億5,219萬1千元增加率為5.76%年度營餘瓜吳三"},{"start":2542.947,"end":2549.254,"text":"以上營業總收入高抵以後114年度預算營業為新台幣1753億2000元除提存法定公積350億9086萬元以外"},{"start":2560.645,"end":2567.447,"text":"於數年同以前年度累計營餘598億元共計2千億2914萬2千元稀數繳交國庫關係紅利以上報告敬請各位委員會室指教謝謝好謝謝楊總裁接著我們請財政部財政部部長報告"},{"start":2588.686,"end":2598.874,"text":"主席、各位委員先進大家好今天貴委員會安排就美國新任總統的貿易政策對台經濟以及金融穩定的可能影響與對策進行專題報告以及檢要報告如下進行指教"},{"start":2604.218,"end":2628.925,"text":"一、美國新任總統選舉的主張主要還是要看具體政策的方向評估對我國經濟和金融的影響那新任總統在選舉期間所提出的課徵基本關稅以及進一步提高不公平貿易國家的關稅稅率等需視其在2025年的1月20日就職後相關經貿政策如何落實以及推動的期程而且"},{"start":2629.665,"end":2646.586,"text":"我本部也會持續的關注美國最新情勢的進展並事實評估對我國經濟以及金融影響採取因應的措施近年在全球供應鏈的重整、台商回流以及人工智慧應用商機的新起向我國外貿市場結構已經有所轉變"},{"start":2648.909,"end":2673.771,"text":"對美國出口占總出口的比重持續升高對中國大陸以及香港則呈現下滑國內主要廠商也積極的對外投資擴大供應鏈的涵蓋面提高應對地緣政治情勢變化的彈性以及空間第二個我們會持續推動相關的措施來促進我國經濟穩定的成長我國是一個出口導向的國家深受全球經濟情勢變動的影響"},{"start":2676.873,"end":2682.416,"text":"為了促進經濟穩定成長提升企業的競爭力並且優化經貿環境本部會持續推動相關的措施如下首先是在提供企業租稅優惠的方面為了優化產業的結構以及協助企業升級轉型本部與目的事業主管機關在產業創新條例等法規就資金面、人才面以及技術面"},{"start":2700.447,"end":2717.457,"text":"提供多項的功能別租稅優惠比如說研發支出的投資抵減為分配盈餘進行實質投資免加增5%的銀索稅另外提供智慧機械還有5G系統還有資通安全投資的抵減前瞻創新研發的投資抵減以及先進製程設備投資抵減租稅的優惠"},{"start":2724.201,"end":2751.579,"text":"目的都是在強化我國關鍵的產業核心地位那麼提升我國的產業競爭的優勢第二個在引導資金投入公共建設方面行政院成立了院級跨部會投資建設推動平臺透過促餐的機制以創新促餐提案方式來積極引導資金投入我們的公共建設讓資金運用更具有彈性那公共建設的推動更為快速來續擊我國經濟成長的能量"},{"start":2755.302,"end":2767.517,"text":"第三、我們在持續推動洽簽臺美避免雙重課稅協定方面：臺美簽署避免雙重課稅協定：可以降低雙方企業在對方國從事經貿活動的營業成本：創造更多的投資以及貿易的機會"},{"start":2772.142,"end":2789.45,"text":"那麼雙方財政部將於近期就台美租稅協定的相關議題展開討論以確認互惠減免稅的待遇那本部和外交部等會持續和美國行政部門以及國會合作解決台美雙重課稅問題第四個在提供優質通關環境方面我們推動海關數位轉型及規劃新一代的通關系統服務架構來建構一個"},{"start":2799.715,"end":2821.494,"text":"的通關環境提供出口貨物便捷通關服務降低貿易成本以利跨國貿易的發展強化我國經貿的競爭力第五個在強化公股金融機構的營運任性方面面對國際金融市場不確定性還有地緣政治的風險本部會督導公股金融事業拓展"},{"start":2821.834,"end":2839.282,"text":"和新業務的動能支持實體經濟發展的資金需求優化多元獲利的引擎並落實風險控管以強化營運的韌性以及提升經營的中效本部將會持續的關注美國經貿政策的動向以及全球經濟趨勢的變化"},{"start":2841.743,"end":2861.999,"text":"審慎的評估對美國經濟以及金融的影響事實和經濟部國家發展委員會等相關部會提出因應的措施來促進國家經濟以及金融穩定的發展以上敬請各位委員會與指教謝謝好謝謝謝謝莊部長接著我們請金管會彭主委進行專題報告"},{"start":2868.038,"end":2883.059,"text":"主席、各位委員、媒體先敬大家早陳貴文會邀請今晚會就美國新任總統的貿易政策對台灣經濟與金融穩定之可能影響與對策進行專題報告美國新總統將於明年1月20日宣誓就職"},{"start":2884.441,"end":2902.888,"text":"中官本次的競選政見主張美國優先,強調保護美國製造業預計將加徵關稅並吸引製造業及資金回流美國然各項政策的落實情形仍有待持續的關注依華爾街日報及金融時報的分析美國的減稅政策將有助於美國經濟成長與美國股市"},{"start":2905.669,"end":2919.88,"text":"而主張對貿易夥伴普遍徵收10%關稅．及對中國大陸課徵60%關稅．雖可以推升美國經濟成長但可能促使通膨升溫．預期美國可能維持高利率．美元亦可能走強"},{"start":2921.121,"end":2938.751,"text":"二、三、我國資本市場的現況與因應：台股自而棄11月12日止上漲28.17,漲幅均高於亞洲各股市：台股表現相對穩健,成交亦持續活絡：台股日均量為5576億與112年同期相較,成長55.95%本益比為22.27,現金殖利率為2.38%"},{"start":2949.878,"end":2966.072,"text":"台灣資本市場與國際連結度日增美國新政策可能造成台股短期的震盪但中長期台股表現仍將回歸基本面我國上市櫃公司截至10月底累積營收35兆較去年同期成長11.92顯見我國產業具有競爭力及韌性"},{"start":2971.705,"end":2996.407,"text":"為因應美國產業政策的變動近年來尚是為公司以採行產地移轉、調整海外佈局以降低對公司營運之影響此外金管會將密切掌握國際金融市場發展狀況及重大金融事件金管會將適時召集證交所等周邊單位召開股期式會議研商與必要時採取相對穩定股期式措施"},{"start":2997.817,"end":3019.163,"text":"銀行業部分：我國銀行業目前資本氏族利益流動性良好：預放比率僅0.15%：背底呆帳覆蓋率高達896%：截至本年第二季平均資本氏族利益達14.79%：具備良好風險承受能力：目前國營在美國設有三家子公司"},{"start":3022.385,"end":3048.498,"text":"有3家子銀行、1家子公司、25家分行及3家辦事處國營對美國的總曝險為3.67兆元美國政府若擴大減稅政策短期將增加全球及企業海外台商赴美投資意願銀行業者可適時擇優拓展業務而加徵關稅可能驅動台商調整全球投資佈局銀行業可協助客戶調整佈局但銀行業需面臨通膨期高利率期間更久之挑戰"},{"start":3050.171,"end":3065.818,"text":"金管會將適時地管控國內金融業者以穩定金融市場加強風險管理工作強化韌性並隨時與相關部會密切聯繫並要求銀行總行由專責單位負責海外分支機構之整體營運管理建立適當風險慰納及風險辨識機制納入內控內基制度落實執行強化監督與管理"},{"start":3071.201,"end":3075.945,"text":"保險業部分保險業稅前於截至9月底為3161億元受險業較去年同期成長68.2%產險則為成長78.2整體而言整個產業具有相當金融韌性6月底我國受險業平均的資本失足率為318%產險業為481%淨值比受險為7.97%產險業為27.77%"},{"start":3100.8,"end":3129.07,"text":"我國保險業投資雖以債券為主但多以持有到期採攤消耗成本評價較不受利率變動評價的影響且升息有助於受險新資金資投資獲益但美國政府公債發行增加可能造成整體債券市場殖利率上升引發債券價格下跌如美元而維持強勢對我國受險業雖然有利但可能促使外匯避險成本提高"},{"start":3130.404,"end":3150.174,"text":"保險法目前已就保險業從事國外投資,定有明確之規定。經管會將定期匯總國外投資之情形進行動態監理及採行事實之相關措施。美元升值雖然促使避險成本提高﹐但配合剛實施的外匯價格準備金制度﹐可以讓受險業更有彈性的避險方式。"},{"start":3151.263,"end":3180.024,"text":"金管會將持續注意美國新政策對金融市場的影響．積極推動資本市場的發展與深化市場的發展與創新我國為IOSCO以及IIS正式會員與巴塞爾銀行監理委員會也密切聯繫未來將持續加強跨境金融監理合作維護金融市場穩定並持續與財政部、中央銀行及相關部會聯繫適時採取因應措施共同合作維持金融穩定與秩序以上報告敬請各位委員指教謝謝"},{"start":3181.351,"end":3201.522,"text":"好,謝謝彭主委,我們再補充介紹那個現場我們的吳秉瑞委員好,我們現在開始進入詢答,先做以下的宣告每一位出席的委員花言的時間是8分鐘,必要的時候得延長2分鐘每一位列席的委員花言的時間是5分鐘"},{"start":3204.312,"end":3224.41,"text":"近近上午10點截止花園的登記現在依序登記的順序請登記第一位林德虎委員質詢謝謝,謝謝主席是不是請楊總裁好,請楊總裁"},{"start":3236.337,"end":3252.133,"text":"總裁您好我想美國大選結束那川普大選總統後的整個世界的局勢尤其是美中台三方的關係是不是會發生有別於拜登在任時的狀態會不會對台灣的整個經濟金融有影響"},{"start":3255.777,"end":3274.299,"text":"我想有幾個問題來請教總裁美國大選川普勝選那參眾兩院的席次啊極有可能是共和黨完全執政那我請問你認為美台之間的整個財經政策會不會有所變化"},{"start":3277.016,"end":3289.219,"text":"我想就是川普的一個經濟政策還有就是拜登的他們是不太一樣的因為川普都是強調美國優先不過台灣在整個的我們一直都認為就是說美國兩黨現在對台灣對中國大陸的態度都是一致的"},{"start":3304.093,"end":3315.407,"text":"那對台灣當然稍微有一點不一樣不過我個人也覺得差異不會是非常大所以說你認為變化不大是嗎是應該是那要是有變化的話你認為對我們會有什麼衝擊我想這個"},{"start":3323.075,"end":3338.969,"text":"我只能就經濟方面、金融方面來講那至於就是說國防外交這個不是我對啦當然不是啦主要是金融那經濟、金融方面剛剛我們的報告也有講到就是說對全球來講呢它會有衝擊所以說你認為"},{"start":3341.952,"end":3352.684,"text":"這個對我們來講那現在來我所以呢我們在這個來我們齁我們在第一部分我們這個報告的第一部分就講到齁就是說美中貿易衝突之後我們台灣的一個情況"},{"start":3356.328,"end":3362.853,"text":"那我們發現事實上我們台灣反而當然也不是說純粹是美中貿易衝突啦中間還有就是那個COVID-19、俄烏戰爭這些事件的一個影響不過呢我們的第一部分的分析呢就要告訴大家就是說事實上呢美中貿易衝突之後啊台灣反而是好的我們的經濟成長我們的物價的控制還有就是我們的貿易都表現得非常的好所以說你認為說"},{"start":3385.334,"end":3393.618,"text":"一樣應該是這個變化不大衝擊不大所以呢我們在後面我們也分析嘛就是說他對全球的影響對中國大陸影響美國那個貨幣政策的影響這些呢都是要觀察但是呢我們也不能說"},{"start":3401.261,"end":3408.191,"text":"第一部分美中貿易衝突的第一個part就是說我們台灣是很好但是我們也沒有說說我們的第二部分呢就是川普的2.0呢就我們也是會跟以前一樣我們也沒有這麼說只是說那個是做參考"},{"start":3417.765,"end":3433.144,"text":"不過呢後面的這個呢我們就必須要非常小心包括我們的貨幣政策要怎麼來因應對於就是說這個匯率報告我們要怎麼來因應還有就是說我們在外匯市場的外匯政策我們要怎麼來因應我們都有在報告裡面都有詳細的說明"},{"start":3434.065,"end":3440.073,"text":"去年2023年國際經濟與金融趨勢論壇你曾表示說美中爭端使台灣對美國貿易順差擴大台灣應持續關注相關發展並避免成為美國貿易制裁的對象"},{"start":3453.29,"end":3481.749,"text":"那如果以川普在美國大選時他的宣誓高關稅的政見那我請問總裁川普的立場會不會增加台灣被美國制裁的機率呢我個人覺得就是說我們的晶片就是說我們的這個資通訊的這個產品它是很特殊的它是一個戰略的物資"},{"start":3482.849,"end":3508.261,"text":"那這個呢是就是說如果說從美台的之間的一個貿易來看的話呢事實上呢是我們我們這兩個國家的一個合作呢是兩益的是是是是很好的因為說實在的他是他是設計我們是製造而且我們的這個製造呢又是非常先非常先進的是他需要我們的產品"},{"start":3509.221,"end":3513.082,"text":"但是他講話不是這樣講啊他認為說我們是偷的啊這個可能是他的一個策略啦萬一台灣被制裁政府跟民間你認為我們應該怎麼去應付我想要說制裁我們也不至於吧不至於我們跟美國財政部的一個談判的諮商"},{"start":3535.527,"end":3546.733,"text":"事實上他們也了解我們台灣對它的順差這個是因為是美國需要的不是因為就是說我們的價格很低不是因為這個晶片這個資通訊它這個是一個戰略的物資"},{"start":3553.198,"end":3568.212,"text":"總裁美國大選期間川普曾經提出對盟友和競爭對手課徵高關稅昨天本席也詢問過財政部莊部長有沒有評估過川普高關稅的政策對國內的影響"},{"start":3570.194,"end":3586.942,"text":"那莊部長這個說會密切觀察那我請問總裁萬一川普鐵了心竹取高關稅的高牆你認為對全世界有什麼影響我想這個所以我覺得那個莊部長他講的沒有錯因為基本上就是說"},{"start":3595.396,"end":3607.244,"text":"美國的他這個川普他要他要就任他的這個他的政見的實施的時點這是第一個他的時點是是什麼時候他的規模是什麼時候規模有多大到目前為止都不曉得"},{"start":3612.568,"end":3612.608,"text":"但是齁"},{"start":3633.114,"end":3652.962,"text":"但是我們每季都是會更新它總裁因為政府應該要未來要如何去因應未雨綢繆而且未來要怎麼去協助我們國內產業跟民生經濟我認為那是政府的責任應該你要讓很多企業界瞭解因為它的變數"},{"start":3654.342,"end":3680.709,"text":"真的是不可預測總裁媒體報導針對美國大選後的局勢有學者研判川普會追求公平貿易但公平標準是由美國來定義以下有幾個問題我來請教總裁按照財政部9月出口的統計5乘5以上國內出口佔比都是在美國跟中國兩國"},{"start":3682.91,"end":3705.206,"text":"學者看法表示川普式的公平貿易我請問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那個委員我把我的報告跟各位來看一下事實上你看看我們的第12頁我們第12頁就是說在那個時候就是說在選舉之前那時候就開始盛行9月底的時候就開始盛行說Trump的交易那個時候美元就開始在搶了"},{"start":5564.626,"end":5570.768,"text":"每年就是開始在搶了你看看從那個時候到9月就預測川普會當選喔欸那個時候是預測川普會當選喔9月中間是有說可能是民主黨會當選啊沒有沒有沒有我跟委員報告事實上呢9月底之後呢一般來講市場都會覺得是川普會贏"},{"start":5585.214,"end":5608.815,"text":"但是呢到11月初的時候呢具體的政策有什麼要影響我們講具體講你預測的final好不好到11月初的時候呢他那個時候呢民調才會覺得就是說哈里斯跟這個川普呢兩個是幾股相當我不跟你談事後分析啦我是談你預測結果未來是啦未來的是到目前我們在看呢你看看"},{"start":5609.776,"end":5634.166,"text":"美元呢,可能還是會搶的還是會搶,好,謝謝那這樣子你就有清楚的預測美元會搶嗎然後你這樣匯率,你現在情勢會怎麼樣嘛對不對所以我是覺得你預測時不多但是呢有一個更少的是你的第二部分的報告你的第二部分報告這個整個有關於腳褲的部分居然只有三行不到這個部分我更加concern的部分"},{"start":5635.286,"end":5657.719,"text":"過往我們每年繳獲利益的部分大概是1800到2000的部分那一般影響說因為我們壓低雙率的結果會影響到物價跟房價有這種說法你承不承認沒關係當然我們再來做討論那重點其實是你這樣的情況底下讓整個央行繳戶佔財政收入的比例非常高甚至整個比例甚至高達一成"},{"start":5658.559,"end":5685.606,"text":"整個國家的腳褲比例超過一成沒有沒有超過一成沒有待會讓你澄清待會讓你澄清第二個呢是國營事業裡頭的大概八到九成我先問第一個問題是說如果是這樣子的話過往我們央行資產在委外操作的部分大概140到150億這個比重大概2.7%我簡單的講這個部分呢在委外的部分達標只有三年啦有兩年比自鈔還好而已啦也就是說基本上都輸給通膨啦"},{"start":5687.566,"end":5707.692,"text":"那這個部分你是不是要做一個調整一來呢有沒有可能把這個腳褲的比例來限縮來變成加碼來作為這個資金的上的操作或者呢把這個委外到錯的部分呢加碼成為自操有沒有這個可能性啊用這個部分來增加盈餘啊事實上委員我告訴你事實上呢我們這個調整我們這個二點幾"},{"start":5715.156,"end":5729.174,"text":"幾%這是我們經過調整以後的一個比例事實上我們是每年都是動態調整的所以就是說我們大概是這樣子如果說他的績效不好的時候我們就把他踢出去"},{"start":5729.815,"end":5738.842,"text":"我們加入那個就是說那個他的績效那你乾脆自鈔就好你自鈔反而比較好啊那當然啊所以你會發現就是說事實上我就是請你說你乾脆自鈔就好啦我剛剛問題點就是請你自鈔就好啦自鈔比例提高就好啦第一個我們對我們給外面來操作的時候有一個好處第一個呢第一個他提供我們很很有價值的訊息我說把外委外的部分比例減少自鈔的比例提高啦外面的已經是減少啦"},{"start":5758.697,"end":5762.621,"text":"我們已經是減少了我們已經是減少了我們已經是減少了我們已經是減少了我們已經是減少了我們已經是減少了"},{"start":5781.8,"end":5799.912,"text":"這個跳過這樣跳過接下來的部分一個部分你現階段的部分如果說按照你這個比例的話大概是大概8.85%剛剛說一成不到一成但是畢竟是日本國家的大概19倍之多也是美國的好幾倍"},{"start":5800.992,"end":5817.86,"text":"這比重這麼高的情況底下他有換算出一個公司是國外的利率乘以外匯存底然後加上定存單的利率加上央行的這個發行量定存單的發行量這四個人在做操作那前面的部分國外利率沒有辦法但是後面的部分就會有關係"},{"start":5819.581,"end":5835.049,"text":"那導致於呢變成你的整個政策呢會有這種為了達成這個營餘目標的達標而逐反到來推向說你來把這個雙綠政策的一個做調整有沒有可能這樣子我也藉這個機會來跟委員報告"},{"start":5838.725,"end":5842.288,"text":"絕對不會我用一個很簡單的數據來跟委員報告我們是不是請翻開第7頁第7頁呢,你可以看看他說我們故意壓低雙綠來達到我們營業的目標"},{"start":5860.487,"end":5871.598,"text":"那好我們來看看在第7月這邊從川普的美中貿易衝突到現在到11月11號你來看看我們新台幣是貶了7.17%"},{"start":5874.605,"end":5878.25,"text":"歐元7.89%人民幣11.09%澳洲幣是貶了12.5%如果說我們藉著貶值來達到盈餘的腳庫的話"},{"start":5892.55,"end":5908.868,"text":"那像韓國、日元、澳幣、人民幣他們都有很多的外匯存比啊那他貶得比我們多那是不是合理懷疑就是說他們比我們更操縱這個匯率來達成他的繳戶數目所以應該他要繳戶更多對啊那我們繳戶已經是從哪來啊"},{"start":5910.289,"end":5918.816,"text":"那當然是我們主要的還是我們很保守的去因為是美元的利率比我們台灣的利率高所以說還是賺到利差的關係嘛主要是賺利差嘛接下來剛剛提到所謂的減少發行定存單現在就有一個問題點了"},{"start":5926.582,"end":5948.589,"text":"減少問題單最近的整個8、9月呢減少定存單就少了大概是4千億的這種算法年初的時候8兆那現在剩下7兆2那這種情況底下就有一種狀況因為減少定存單市場的油資就會更多嘛比如說被懷疑說你一手呢在緊縮資金你在提準一手呢你又在放寬資金"},{"start":5950.649,"end":5961.233,"text":"兩手策略總裁會不會這樣子我來跟委員報告來請他的分析完全錯誤完全錯誤完全錯誤請說請說就讓你有說的機會嘛對對對那為什麼呢第一個第一個為什麼存單會下降你看我們存款準備率我們不是提了4碼嗎他就被我們抽了多少抽了6250億"},{"start":5978.88,"end":5989.618,"text":"是這樣的關係喔對啊這是第一個第二個呢他說說我們故意壓低利率是不是好那我給各位給委員第六頁第六頁"},{"start":5990.762,"end":6001.75,"text":"第六頁你看看我們台灣的通膨跟美國的通膨你看美國的通膨是126跟那個2017年來比較它是成長了26.3%24%英國26點歐元是21點幾南韓是11點你不要講那麼多總裁年金保有資訊是因為當行記者會再開了意思是什麼"},{"start":6016.201,"end":6033.311,"text":"意思就是說因為我們的物價低,比較低相對啦以後有類似的報導就麻煩你及時呈現嘛那當然我的利益就會比較低啊好,最後一個問題留給那個彭金龍、彭主委好了啦你回去休息啊,你也要補充說明在你之前要開記者會啊"},{"start":6034.332,"end":6038.294,"text":"三大融資公司之前有統計大概有將近兩千億是來自於公股銀行跟一般的銀行的資金"},{"start":6053.24,"end":6079.607,"text":"為什麼我會問這個問題呢就是因為我們72條之二有一些信用管制之後沒有資金的來源然後現在很多人很多中小建商就跑到去找這個融資公司可是問題是融資公司的部分呢他基本上當初給融資公司放款給融資公司主要是做期待的部分不過是生產工具有時候是汽車跟機具等等結果融資公司現在很聰明底下又成立了所謂的這些投資公司"},{"start":6081.047,"end":6101.999,"text":"然後他左手跟公股銀行跟一般銀行拿到2%的這個利息成本外面放呆的成本你知道高達多少嗎高達12到14%啊也就是簡單的講他轉手套利高達10%以上啊那個主委你有沒有知道這種現象這個齁 這個我們都有掌握啦因為剛剛有掌握 所以有這種現象"},{"start":6103.059,"end":6119.192,"text":"對,我們現在也有在關切這個會不會有,因為我們七二之二實際上是有關注那個流動性還有就是我們不要過度集中在那邊,如果透過一般的企業融資還是流入到不動產的話,我想這個東西我們應該要同時來看,因為從風險的角度是一樣的"},{"start":6120.433,"end":6137.189,"text":"沒有,還有公平爭議嘛你這個根本是監理套利嘛對不對你這個沒有監理到的然後你監理銀行銀行不能貸的結果融資公司貸那融資公司貸不但是讓房地產的政策形成破口二來呢它又形成套利的現象這種情況底下你要怎麼進行"},{"start":6137.99,"end":6165.399,"text":"要不要要求銀行去進行所謂的貸貨管理如果萬一有違反事實的話應該把款項收回你應該有類似這樣的政策主張嘛不是嗎這跟委員報告這我們正在進行中正在進行當中那你不透露一點進行到什麼情況底下什麼時候要對外講這個外面傳得沸沸揚揚欸雖然融資套利可以高達10%這融資公司已經被想成薯條三兄弟了這已經不是三兄弟根本是三土匪嘛"},{"start":6166.979,"end":6182.303,"text":"三兄弟當很久,現在是真正的形式是土匪嘛我們也在積極的採取一些動作,比如說我們上次也在文匯報告過,我們先採用金融消保法先來納管"},{"start":6184.124,"end":6210.886,"text":"我先講現在小寶寶那個歐尼維那之前的其他的消費正義行為我現在說的這個東西影響到整個房地產的政策影響到總體信用管制也影響到公平正義也影響到那些中小建商的權益吧是這些我們都已經有關你給我一個時間點你什麼時候要處理我們現在處理中了處理中我在跟委員在做那個說明要多久我想應該是"},{"start":6214.773,"end":6227.981,"text":"他一個月之內給委員完整的報告跟說明好,謝謝,謝謝委員好,謝謝郭國文委員齁處理那個土匪的事情齁其實也是要快齁那接著我們請李燕秀委員質詢"},{"start":6236.025,"end":6236.305,"text":"請央行楊總裁"},{"start":6253.402,"end":6277.89,"text":"好 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以不能預測不容易預測這本身就是一個uncertainty就金融市場來講的話Uncertainty它就是一個大問題所以就會覺得這是一個挑戰對於總裁來講"},{"start":7101.075,"end":7119.97,"text":"央行的挑戰在哪裡?那當然啊就是說我們央行的挑戰也就是說外匯市場它本身它就是一個很大的挑戰因為capital 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對不對那麼在川普上來之後那麼我們的通貨膨脹率有沒有可能"},{"start":8035.529,"end":8047.455,"text":"又比較難控制因為最近最近台幣爆量貶值嘛今天已經我不曉得今天是多少32點幾差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多"},{"start":8050.997,"end":8075.73,"text":"那所以臺幣貶值還有全球包含因為最重要是Fed如果他也沒有繼續的降息然後事實上美國的通貨膨脹再起所以對台灣的通貨膨脹影響是什麼總裁我跟委員報告事實上我們台灣的通膨不是說美國的通膨我們一定是通膨不見得"},{"start":8077.13,"end":8092.623,"text":"臺灣的通膨主要是那個製造物包括汽油啦、農產品啦這些的就是供給面的這些那你看看我就說所以呢川普一上來的因為川普有一個政策呢對於這個"},{"start":8094.324,"end":8094.404,"text":"希望國外多買"},{"start":8117.406,"end":8120.288,"text":"所以實有的價格你看看這個期貨掉到40塊這對我們是比較好可是總裁我要問你因為你說要增加對美國的採購那當然軍需品"},{"start":8134.339,"end":8160.441,"text":"這一塊這個已經是毋庸置疑的現在傳出一種說法因為呢我們的能源就是我們像我們天然氣主要的進口的地方是來自印尼嘛亞洲地區因為比較便宜因為他中資要從用船運過來但是呢我們現在有一個壓力就是美國也希望台灣多買美國的能源天然氣那會不會也造成這樣的一個成本跟價格的上漲"},{"start":8161.682,"end":8182.167,"text":"所以總裁也建議說我們多多跟美國採購啊所以在這樣的狀況之下有沒有可能推升包含這個能源的價格成本事實上我們就是說那個成本也不是說距離的長它的成本就高了"},{"start":8183.387,"end":8196.115,"text":"要看他的efficiency他生產的那個efficiency那以美國來講的話他在這一方面他是非常的有效率的所以就是說即使是美國的距離比我們長跟印尼來擺比較"},{"start":8200.117,"end":8216.165,"text":"但是呢,它的貨運,它的貨運的,如果說它的貨運呢,這個比較傳奇,比較密集,成本比較低的話,那也不見得啊。好,所以總裁,所以你也可以同意我們能源的採購可以從亞洲地區移轉到從美國採購。那當然,我現在呢,我的意思說,不是說可以移轉,那當然這個是經濟部要做的啦。"},{"start":8225.65,"end":8233.636,"text":"因為要大量採購買那小咪咪東西沒有用啦是的 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對那對不起時間暫停一下我請我們財政部長"},{"start":8253.497,"end":8255.298,"text":"首先暫停我們請財政部長這怎麼回事就要請教您了剛才總裁說最多是3.08明年但是我們的稅入我們稅入明年編的很多成長率高達19.28%"},{"start":8282.256,"end":8301.622,"text":"如果明年經濟成長率其實主計數也大概差不多3.2左右江航預估3.08就是3%多一點點但是我們可以增加到19.28這樣的一個歲入會不會有點變成不可能的任務"},{"start":8303.854,"end":8319.7,"text":"跟委員報告我們在編稅入預算的時候稅客收入預算的時候其實我們參考的項目很多當然經濟成長率是一個因素還有包含其他民間的消費以及稅制的調整都是包含在內的"},{"start":8321.401,"end":8325.482,"text":"可是那個時候也沒有這麼高的預期我要講的是因為明年度的我們的稅出膨脹非常高那當然你同樣的也把稅入調得很高這個稅入的基礎啊"},{"start":8337.006,"end":8357.023,"text":"其實真的我們一般稅入基礎要考慮到未來的經濟成長率其實在明年包含剛才總裁特別提到他都非常擔心明年其實很多事情都不確定那我們現在的出口很好我們現在出口都還是紅字但是能不能繼續紅字其實有很多專家學者已經開始在擔心了"},{"start":8357.663,"end":8358.944,"text":"所以當然對我們來講稅入我沒有辦法砍你嘛但是我是提醒你我們現在編高達19.28%年增率的一個稅入事實上是非常有高風險的"},{"start":8372.952,"end":8400.692,"text":"也就是說你為了要讓稅出得以支撐所以我稅入也編那麼多我們在編稅入的時候完全就我們的稅我們就在稅客收入的部分就稅的專業的部分是來做估算我們並沒有去估他的稅出會是多少來回頭考慮我們的稅客收入因為今年喔因為這兩年啊而且有些稅他是會有遞延效果的比如說營所稅、中所稅他是看今年的情形會在明年來反映的"},{"start":8401.392,"end":8416.024,"text":"對阿但是今年也不過4點多而已好我要講就是說其實你歲入我們在審查的時候我是不會砍你歲入嘛你要變那麼高就變那麼高但是呢我提醒你要達到19.8將近20%的成長率其實是非常困難的啦好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王宏文委員謝謝王部長接下來我們請我們賴惠委員"},{"start":8432.215,"end":8434.242,"text":"謝謝主席我們請那個楊總裁請楊總裁"},{"start":8443.033,"end":8467.478,"text":"總裁我想就針對的就是這個川普即將在明年的1月20號重新回到美國來那就是擔任美國的總統那你知道這個這一次就是在美國的憲法裡頭那個總統的任期的一個規定川普未來是不是可以再進行年任還是就是說他這一屆就是四年"},{"start":8469.782,"end":8485.381,"text":"好像大家都認為就是說大概他這一任做完就結束了因為他的年齡的限制那他們的憲法是不是可以再持續下去這個我不曉得啦"},{"start":8485.942,"end":8506.364,"text":"他不能再連任下去了就是這四年這個一個政治的狂人再加上一個馬斯克你知道馬斯克他即將擔任在美國政府裡頭他有一個部門這個部長叫做政府效率部"},{"start":8507.324,"end":8532.573,"text":"政府效力部這個政府效力部做什麼事你知道嗎是總裁這個政府那個這個效力部他是講說這個這個部會就是將整個聯邦政府進行全面的財務跟績效的一個審計並且就重大的改革他將提出建議就是對重大的改革提出建議是是是一個狂人跟一個笑的"},{"start":8534.233,"end":8551.973,"text":"你有沒有想到就是說在未來的這個4年那我們台灣即將處在一個什麼樣的一個位置面對的這個美國一個瘋狂的一個川普那跟一個馬斯克"},{"start":8554.014,"end":8568.775,"text":"總裁講一講你的想法我的想法還是一貫的就是說他川普的他雖然他有這樣的一個政見已經出台了但是呢他是很不容易去預測他"},{"start":8570.197,"end":8598.636,"text":"他的那個手段或策略這些所以就是說在川普的任內是有高度的不確定性是有高度的不確定性你也就是說你自己也講得很清楚你即將面對新的一個挑戰這新的一個挑戰其實他充滿了不確定性那我們從就是在上週台晶宴他發布的最新的一個景氣的展望跟經濟的一個臆測"},{"start":8600.337,"end":8614.746,"text":"即使它推估今年的經濟成長率上修到4.03那明年它是就是等於是下降下降到3.15那你剛才講了你就是預估GDP是3.08這些數字對不對"},{"start":8619.349,"end":8634.104,"text":"這些所以我才會講所以我們在報告裡面我們會再講就是說因為有三大挑戰那這個三大挑戰一定會衝擊到台灣的經濟貿易所以我們的對策是現在我們應該我們還是維持我們的預測"},{"start":8640.33,"end":8659.608,"text":"但是呢我們在12月的時候明年的3月的時候明年的6月的時候呢我們大概都會做一些的調整好那你也一直就是在做滾動式的調整那你就是一直就是在面對的一個川普"},{"start":8661.63,"end":8678.498,"text":"不確定性那他的供需的一個決定那是不是就是說會影響到就是說他當初在他川普競選總統的那個經貿的一個相關的一個政見這個是在你的那個就是報告裡頭也特別提出來"},{"start":8679.298,"end":8694.479,"text":"不管是貿易政策它就是降稅嘛那財政的一個政策就是減稅嘛那移民政策它就是黃賭嘛就是驅趕嘛那農業政策好這裡頭這是央行整理的"},{"start":8695.12,"end":8714.822,"text":"那好你現在講到就是說你持續的觀察國際的一個經濟的一個情勢就是說持續的追蹤跟關注可是顯然這個講的非常的空洞欸喔喔喔不是這個空洞呢是比較能夠接受的為什麼我還是在強調它是不確定性"},{"start":8715.262,"end":8740.839,"text":"他是不確定：對對因為齁如果我們當然我們也可以就說他的scenario事實上我們我跟委員報告我還本身也有scenario的分析只是說我們那個scenario的分析scenario的分析就是說各種情況的分析那這各種情況的分析喔這個這個不是那只是能夠內參是啦是總裁不能就說我們就公開就說我們很多的委員"},{"start":8742.5,"end":8764.976,"text":"李卓人,他其實關心的就是說你的態度還有就是說川普他喊出來的這個關稅的一個問題是我們大家擔心的他喊到了60%這個60%的話就是他把關稅提高到60%其實就是講的很簡單就是我讓你做生意啊他是已經不讓你做生意了"},{"start":8765.336,"end":8777.945,"text":"那像這樣子這麼瘋狂的一個調整他的整個美國的一個經濟的政策的話事實上就是說我們大家都擔心擔心這一個震盪是不是對國內的經濟會產生很大的一個影響"},{"start":8781.908,"end":8796.242,"text":"這是我們比較擔心的甚至就是說其實就在之前拜登上台了以後過去的這一個四年中美的貿易戰雖然持續在進行可是這個是我們可以預估的"},{"start":8796.863,"end":8801.889,"text":"我們可以依估的那我們台灣的經濟其實也表現了非常的亮眼我們的出口的一個經濟還有就是說通盤還有新台幣的一個那個漲幅都是穩定的好台股也是好的"},{"start":8812.581,"end":8829.513,"text":"那在未來的4年你剛才講了很多很多那我們其實也都知道啦也都知道那我們在從國發會的一個經濟研究的期刊裡頭去特別看到了就是說他有研究到中美的那個貿易戰"},{"start":8830.754,"end":8840.839,"text":"對於就是我們未來的一個經濟影響的一個分析跟評估包括就是說他的負面衝擊他講到他說少賺了新台幣大概226億那我們賣到美國的這個正面效應我們是賺了73億可是這一來一去我們的淨損我們還是缺了153億"},{"start":8856.986,"end":8869.723,"text":"可是在這裡頭這一個研究期刊裡頭我們看到了就是說我們對東協的增加的出口他其實是沒有把它算進去了那所以這個也是要提醒就是說"},{"start":8871.257,"end":8897.102,"text":"在未來那個東協的一個增加也是我們非常重要的一個參考的參考的一個那個那個就是標一個標的那美國跟中國一直就是我國出口的前兩大市場尤其是美中台三方那個緊密的這個產業供應鏈跟三角的貿易關係那美中的貿易摩擦勢必就是會影響到我們會影響到我們"},{"start":8900.663,"end":8921.609,"text":"所以就是說剛才特別就是賴斯堡委員有跟你提到了就是說我們的金市採購那算不算在我們的這個美中貿易裡頭算在美中的貿易裡頭那軟體呢其實有時候硬體那個軟體是比硬體來得還多的那軟體是不是也算軟體應該是屬於服務項目啦"},{"start":8924.11,"end":8945.895,"text":"那服務項目的話因為服務的項目按照到我在推論我不是啊我還是必須要再去make sure一下我的推論就是說既然硬體的商品他有列入的話那這個服務的商品呢也應該要放入因為呢他在跟我們講就是說我們最大的順差多少那軟體也是要放進去應該要放進去的那總裁再提醒你"},{"start":8952.017,"end":8971.603,"text":"最近的美債率一直在上升就是說它的價值變高了那應該是一起美國的關稅它會造成通膨那就是我們那個就是央行跟金融業有大量的一個美債那我在這裡請教就是說那個總裁對於這個台灣的金融系統一定會造成很大的一個影響那你書面的報告給我好不好"},{"start":8981.966,"end":8981.986,"text":"時間暫停"},{"start":8999.131,"end":9020.268,"text":"市長,我針對的就是說雙11這個中國電商在台灣做了很大的一個廣告然後也做了很大的一個促銷就是中國的一個電商那剛才事前我有跟你請教了幾個議題顯然你認為這一個問題影響對國內的影響是不大的如果我們用美國的這一個就是"},{"start":9028.654,"end":9052.683,"text":"一天是那個800塊的美元那就是說他們其實在民主黨裡頭也有議員提到了就是小兒的那個豁免錢的一個濫用那他們希望去修正就是小兒的包裹的一個標準那你在那裡講到了就是說我們一年有就是半年就是有6次嘛那我們是就是一次是2000塊"},{"start":9055.005,"end":9079.566,"text":"這個就是影響台灣的百工百業差異不大你是不是這樣的一個態度呢跟委員報告這個低價免稅的這種貨品這是FCO的相關的一個規定就世界貿易組織當然我知道那是不是有一些比較積極的一個做法因為這個實在是影響影響那個我們台灣的一個產業不管是"},{"start":9080.126,"end":9080.867,"text":"為什麼?因為就是拼不過這個電商"},{"start":9095.919,"end":9117.299,"text":"那如果我們還存在的一個寬容的態度的話這個對我們台灣的一個產業是沒有達到一個保護的能量那我在這裡請教你你一天海關一天有多少包裹到台灣那其中有多少包裹是小件的包裹"},{"start":9118.339,"end":9125.168,"text":"我跟委員報告大概快遞貨物的話一天的量大概16萬到17萬對16萬到17萬是那所謂的低價免稅2000塊以下大概是將近會佔9成左右"},{"start":9133.319,"end":9155.35,"text":"響鈴響鈴響鈴響鈴"},{"start":9155.73,"end":9183.418,"text":"當然 這個標示準嗎?聽說很多報關是亂寫一通那你有沒有就是說試著去改善他這個這樣的一個機制那我們知道就是說他其實這個不管是對我們百工百業的一個照顧還有最主要就是說對消費者消費者也是一個服務聽說他退會是非常困難的"},{"start":9184.418,"end":9185.118,"text":"接下來我們請羅明財委員發言"},{"start":9209.932,"end":9218.42,"text":"主席各位出列習慣的主席可請央行楊總裁我們請央行楊總裁楊總裁你好今天會閃閃發光兩位金龍同列一旁希望還有加上財政部的努力可以力抗"},{"start":9234.824,"end":9253.208,"text":"美國即將在未來這幾年內一波又一波的關稅的壓力以及經濟市場的競爭那個總裁請問現在的台灣我們外匯存底是多少金額我們大概是5700多億這10年來不斷的成長"},{"start":9257.699,"end":9280.236,"text":"最近一兩年成長的比較少比較少一點,但趨勢是這樣上來的當然啦,我們慢慢要增加不過很可惜的兩個事情第一個就是本席在十年前建議大量買進黃金每樣子在一千大概三百塊的時候沒有買"},{"start":9281.297,"end":9302.45,"text":"第二個事情比較遺憾的就是我在也是同樣這個地方質詢的時候我說那總裁你可不可以參考一下買入一些虛擬貨幣、比特幣、比特幣那時候不到美金6000塊啊總裁你知道現在黃金一樣是多少"},{"start":9305.164,"end":9318.794,"text":"黃金一樣大概是2700億左右2000多了,2500喔對這個成長了很多另外一個虛擬貨幣這個比特幣現在一枚比特幣多少錢是"},{"start":9320.914,"end":9325.578,"text":"昨天8萬多美金有下來當然有可能會上去為什麼現在比特幣他的交易那麼樣的熱絡然後這個趨勢是不斷的往上甚至美國的一些報導裡面他們還說有可能比特幣一枚會漲到大概30萬"},{"start":9348.039,"end":9356.087,"text":"不過委員你這樣講我看的訊息呢他是說大概是15萬啦不管是15萬不管是30萬那我當初講的是6千塊啊6千塊如果漲到15萬的話哇"},{"start":9366.556,"end":9369.44,"text":"好大的一個差距耶不過我想我也藉這個機會我藉這個機會我來就是說對於委員的高見"},{"start":9379.353,"end":9394.264,"text":"預測的能力我也非常非常的佩服真的嗎是的沒有錯我非常佩服佩服沒有用就是我建議的其實你只要卓宇參考你不要買多嘛買個100億接下來你再買200億委員這個對央行來講都是"},{"start":9404.952,"end":9423.73,"text":"九牛一毛阿是是不過齁我說我對委員很佩服這是一回事啦沒有不敢沒有那中央銀行是不是要我更佩服你中央銀行是不是要involve在這一方面呢又是另外一回事啦是好佩服你的意思呢也不是說我們就一定要這樣子做是那當然啦我們必須要承認委員是押對保了"},{"start":9427.614,"end":9434.447,"text":"沒有沒有,總裁我更佩服你不是壓對保啦因為在這個年初的時候那個"},{"start":9436.941,"end":9444.387,"text":"麥克哈布比那時候就來台灣跟我一個朋友Dr."},{"start":9444.387,"end":9462.621,"text":"King他請他來台灣有多次的交流我們那時候就請他分析一下當然因為他女兒是阿肯色州的州長過去在川普的很核心所以當然他是分析了很多當然是支持"},{"start":9465.728,"end":9484.883,"text":"川普一定會當選所以當然都會有兩面也許賀錦麗當選事實上我們就應該要建立一個沙盤推演A當選是怎麼樣B當選是怎麼樣我們看到川普當選了以後就是他大力推動了虛擬貨幣不斷的上漲"},{"start":9488.906,"end":9508.237,"text":"跟那個Mask一樣他手上也持有很多的虛擬貨幣所以這個影響到台灣的未來從台灣看世界我們可以發現新加坡的人均GDP這15年來這一路的成長台灣有成長但是"},{"start":9509.544,"end":9518.594,"text":"這個差距越來越大面對未來新的挑戰本席想請教一下總裁對於這些虛擬貨幣的一些資產以及"},{"start":9523.089,"end":9542.577,"text":"金管會我們也是金融彭主委推動了整個亞太的一個資產管理中心至少一個目標嘛其中的這一環就是虛擬資產的處理這個你不可以去逃避的嘛那請問央行的態度是怎麼樣"},{"start":9543.737,"end":9566.132,"text":"我覺得就是說據我了解就是說今晚會的態度他要對於虛擬貨幣開始要監管而且他有他的步驟步驟會不會太慢應該也不會啦應該也不會川普已經選上了你不要等他4年任期到了以後他要監管的意思也就是說他會注意到這一塊的一個發展"},{"start":9566.932,"end":9570.056,"text":"當然從經理的立場來看的話要讓他發展就是說正常的發展當然是要監管所以我覺得監管會在這一方面他是踏出了一個非常正確的一步我們希望這個步伐可以跟得上國際的潮流"},{"start":9588.535,"end":9608.544,"text":"總裁,你這樣講起來的話,就是你會站比較正面的態度,重新來思考比特幣在台灣的交易嗎?我想呢,既然他就說是要監管他的話呢,只要就說,第一個,他的交易呢,不要就說是洗錢啊"},{"start":9610.685,"end":9617.033,"text":"還有就是說洗錢防治對就是說洗錢的這些必須要注意還有就是說它是一個"},{"start":9618.655,"end":9621.617,"text":"美國能做我們要與時俱進美國能做我們要趕快要做他一定有他的戰略考量有他未來性的一個思考所以希望這一塊的話央行可以採取比較"},{"start":9645.873,"end":9667.841,"text":"開闊的心胸,比如說我請教一個,那外匯存底,裡面有沒有人民幣?我們人民幣也有一部分。你都有可以人民幣,你為什麼不可以有比特幣?人民幣跟比特幣那是不能相提並論的。那你知道,中台,你知道美國政府啊,他們國家國庫裡面有沒有比特幣?"},{"start":9668.936,"end":9675.061,"text":"沒有,應該是有,有我告訴你,它那個有是它沒收的啦,它是沒收的或是什麼的海關那些是沒收的啦,那不是說它的外圍存底去投資這個比特幣,不是我在想的,應該不是那表示它財產裡面有比特幣,如果不是資產的話,它就不會列在上面"},{"start":9693.316,"end":9702.287,"text":"因為他是資產所以他變成是美國政府的一個資產嘛我想那個是很小一部分另外啦這就"},{"start":9703.672,"end":9727.17,"text":"想的一個問題就是現在中國大陸對美國他持有多少美國的公債他也持了不少啊幾兆據我了解3.6兆他也是在日本之後的樣子日本持有很多啊日本持有很多所以他是我現在不能很確定以前"},{"start":9727.85,"end":9745.031,"text":"俄羅斯有沒有持有美國的公債應該有吧國債有啦好像一兆多吧我不曉得你知道那個俄烏戰爭的以後那俄羅斯對美國的這個國債的部分是不是就一筆勾銷了"},{"start":9747.749,"end":9753.494,"text":"他的資產在國外的資產就被凍結了那美國不是專辦了嗎?你打個帳就凍結,欠的錢就不要還了啊那他會不會為了美國的利益考量你大陸趕快打啊,台灣趕快打啊打完,那我們買的美國的債券"},{"start":9769.705,"end":9779.958,"text":"那我們是不是全部又一筆勾銷了?有沒有這個可能啊?為什麼誰說不會?基於什麼的理由?那為什麼俄羅斯會?萬一會的話怎麼辦?"},{"start":9788.568,"end":9791.73,"text":"萬一會的話?你覺得不會啊?那為什麼俄羅斯會?為什麼俄羅斯會?當然不能類比啊可是這個例子就是說他已經會了啊"},{"start":9805.296,"end":9818.132,"text":"那為什麼台灣就一定不會?不過你說美國因為委員就也知道就是說我們握有美國的債券蠻大的啦那你說他會來凍結我們的那個握有的那個我覺得是不可能的"},{"start":9823.479,"end":9830.826,"text":"那總裁你認識那個川普總統嗎當然我認識他他不認識我啦問題就是你認識他你不知道他在想什麼啊我也講過啊他要做什麼他明天也不會跟你講啊"},{"start":9838.813,"end":9851.325,"text":"所以現在我們最重要的就是保持自我的彈性不要完全百分之百受制於人是不是總裁對不對我們希望可以彈性多一點針對不確定性就是要彈性所以我們需要的就是"},{"start":9860.854,"end":9863.415,"text":"臺電因為虧損要撥補到一千億那大家我問起來朝野很多委員大家都反對"},{"start":9888.08,"end":9904.428,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":9904.908,"end":9918.742,"text":"去年央行提交國庫那個交了多少我們也是去年是我們今年是2000億去年去年是1850億的所以央行比較會賺1800億或1850億1800億的樣子我忘了那其他地方不行就拜託央行了"},{"start":9925.268,"end":9926.449,"text":"主席有請財政部莊部長好請財政部"},{"start":9958.636,"end":9981.685,"text":"委員好部長好美國總統大選由川普再度來當選總統由於過去川普一向反全球化主張貿易保護主義勢必對未來4年臺美雙方貿易的往來會有一些變數我國在拜登就任的期間跟美國有簽訂一項21世紀臺美貿易倡議"},{"start":9986.167,"end":10006.625,"text":"那臺美21世紀貿易倡議首批協定包括關務貿易便捷化那良好法制作業服務業國內規章反貪腐中小企業等那相關議題凸顯保護這個雙方的這個保障中小企業那希望能夠加強雙邊發展有意"},{"start":10009.247,"end":10027.876,"text":"出口到美國的企業、航商、貨運、中小、服務業等出口業等大有幫助請教部長川普再度當選之後台灣方面有什麼應對的方式可以繼續推動這個倡議第二個就是說首批協定是先就較為單純的項目來做討論"},{"start":10031.277,"end":10046.405,"text":"第二階段彈劾會聚焦彈劾聚焦的農業勞動還有環境方面的問題更是需要密集的去討論那我要強調是說臺美長期以來已建立許多合作的關係那包括"},{"start":10048.687,"end":10076.318,"text":"臺美貿易倡議、談判、EP、EPPD、TT、IC等本席希望這些努力都可以延續讓雙方繼續進行建設性的溝通深化貿易關係臺美21世紀貿易倡議要花更多的心思跟川普政府來做溝通推動臺美經貿合作邁向新高度這部分是不是請部長稍微說明一下"},{"start":10077.469,"end":10079.671,"text":"謝謝委員對於臺美21世紀的貿易倡議這個事情是由行政院的經貿辦公室在主責推動那這個倡議裡面跟財政部有關的就是貿易便捷化裡面有關通關的一個優化"},{"start":10094.807,"end":10103.71,"text":"那對於通關的部分包含法制面也好程序面也好我們的關務署大致上都已經完成所有的前置作業跟準備作業這個部分那對於川普總統就任以後我們的相關的因應的方式在我們今天的報告有提到我們是多面向的來做推動然後讓我們的"},{"start":10115.835,"end":10143.686,"text":"國內產業也好還有我們的行政部門也好都可以做一個更好的一些調整那比如說在我們通關的部分剛剛委員提到我們優質我們的通關環境比如我們讓我們的通關能夠數位化然後出口貨物更便捷通關我想這個對貿易來說都是好的那另外我們的報告裡面也有提到對於台美ADTA的一個簽署的部分我們也一直在和外交部以及駐美代表處也是和美國的行政部門以及國會"},{"start":10144.606,"end":10165.918,"text":"在合作努力的一個推動我想這個洽簽假設能夠完成所有的一個程序以後對台美雙方的一個投資也好貿易也好以及雙邊的一些業者的以及個人的營運對來說都是一個友善的一個環境投資環境那對我們台美之間的合作都是有非常大的一些幫助的"},{"start":10166.158,"end":10188.565,"text":"好,部長我再請教關稅就是最好的武器啦那尤其如果川普堅持運用保護主義那對世界其他國家對美國粗糙的國家包括台灣那課徵更多的關稅我們要如何去因應他反全球化主張貿易保護然後呢對"},{"start":10190.225,"end":10208.586,"text":"他的政見要對提高10%提高60%什麼這一大堆是說說而已嗎還是說我們要怎麼因應現在假設關稅提高的話那對於整個對台灣的產業要到美國出口的這些造成很大的危害要如何因應"},{"start":10210.178,"end":10221.921,"text":"謝謝委員對於川普在競選期間所提出的一個政見那要到他1月20正式就任以後然後他怎麼樣落實他的政見以及規模到多大以及時程上什麼時候來推動我想這個東西我們都會持續密切的觀察而且對我們國內來說其實行政院也會將來會組成專案小組大家會各部會一起來討論來做怎麼樣好的一個因應"},{"start":10238.585,"end":10250.946,"text":"這不是單一部會,單一部會就可以去做的一些事情他在競選的時候也多次提到要跟台灣收保護費台灣要美國保護就要付錢"},{"start":10251.809,"end":10276.4,"text":"那他認為說台灣國防預算應該提高到生產毛耳的10%兩兆六千億我知道很多人都有意見兩兆六千億這到底是誇張的言事、誇視還是親在公共的反正他上一任4年的總統他很多事情也是沒有履行嘛講話也做不高嘛那所以但是他這麼要求那我們應該要怎麼因應"},{"start":10277.629,"end":10296.211,"text":"這個部分我想國防部他也會去思考這個部分如果以GDP的一個10%來看就是剛剛委員所達到要兩兆多那以前目前來說我們的稅出規模其實還沒有辦法去因應這一個部分那真的還是要等到川普就任以後怎麼樣去把他的相關的政見"},{"start":10297.453,"end":10319.169,"text":"真正的落實以及它的規模到什麼程度因為我們看川普在執政過去在執政他堅持的美國優先還有經濟民族主義的延續那已經很多次用強硬的手段來對爭取他美國的利益對於這個北約的成員國要求的這些支出還有對於亞洲的盟國日本韓國等對於他們駐軍的費用"},{"start":10321.15,"end":10342.392,"text":"這些東西等於是說我們我想也台灣也不可能就能夠逃過這一劫我想要說告訴請部長對於未來台灣在國防在任何各方面對於美國的一個政策的變動一定要嚴加的注意"},{"start":10345.614,"end":10370.825,"text":"這個部分在全球化的時代下臺灣面對的不是只有貿易跟經濟的壓力處於兩岸美中強國之間那我們要地緣政治的一種挑戰要怎麼樣的來洞察雙方的關係的變化我們不要我們不要怎麼洞察罵點在這邊打這邊斬所以我們要自己要聰明一點好不好部長是的委員說得很適"},{"start":10372.685,"end":10378.73,"text":"謝謝,謝謝部長請回座,那我再請主席,請金管會彭主委好,彭主委"},{"start":10383.246,"end":10410.486,"text":"主委好主委好主委剛剛延續剛剛那個我們民財委員說的這個比特幣現在是如日中天持續的飆漲尤其這個川普在競選時承諾要建立比特幣的戰備儲蓄然後還要指派青睞數位資產的這些監管主管那要把美國打造成一個數位資產的一個產業中心那在川普的勝選帶動之下比特幣的行情現在"},{"start":10411.847,"end":10428.654,"text":"不知道長成什麼樣那當比特幣價格不斷的上升更多的資金可能會湧入這個虛擬的一個貨幣市場來吸引投資者把資本流入那對於我們相對來講資產有限的"},{"start":10431.493,"end":10432.354,"text":"二、審查中華民國11年度中華民國11年度中華民國11年度"},{"start":10447.35,"end":10469.245,"text":"因此我認為說我們之前不斷的每一次的質詢當中我都有跟主委提到虛擬貨幣專法設立的速度還有我們的進程應該要加快雖然你這個工會已經有這個推動資歷規範但是還是稍嫌不足啦這個進度還是緩慢這是我們這個非常關心的議題"},{"start":10470.166,"end":10491.036,"text":"那無論是資本流動、金融穩定、監管體系、貨幣競爭還是這個網路安全虛擬貨幣市場的快速成長跟美國的支持都可能影響我國經濟跟金融的穩定那監管會是不是時刻都注意到市場的走向以應對這樣潛在的危險有沒有"},{"start":10491.616,"end":10515.138,"text":"是 謝委員喔 那個剛剛委員講的確實就是我們關注的啊剛剛委員也提到就是說我們對於虛擬幣的變化成熟這幾天的變化就可以看得出來像這類的投資工具的話波動非常的大會隨著消息面這樣的波動這也是我們在監管這個市場的時候我們按照我們的步驟其實我們並沒有慢相較於其他的國家我們並沒有慢"},{"start":10515.839,"end":10542.079,"text":"像比如說我們今年大概我們現在公布的那個虛擬資產幾個業態還有打炸的專法裡面就先把業態先把公布出來我們也承諾就是明年的6月會把我們的這個專法送進行政院就是因為這個這個是我們在台灣是全新的東西所以我們要必須非常謹慎但是我們也要看到觀察全球的發展的步伐就像我們在剛剛也開放了我們ETF的那個"},{"start":10542.759,"end":10566.635,"text":"所以比特幣的ETF其實也是在做一個試水溫的動作我想這部分全世界都在觀察那我們也是要比較穩健的來做這件事情那我們速度的部分應該是不會慢的好 這個主委要時刻注意齁是這個要來管控這個虛擬市場的走向喔因為時間有限那 這個好 以上齁 謝謝謝謝 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他的一個因為他可能覺得聯準會都不聽他的利率都是聯準會在決定基本上我總覺得就是說美國聯準會他的一個獨立性他一直以來從前面一直到現在他的獨立性都非常強的"},{"start":11616.211,"end":11621.449,"text":"特別是川普本身他就是學法律的"},{"start":11622.35,"end":11645.245,"text":"所以他也不會理他所以同樣的央行在台灣的立場也一樣維持我們的獨立性維持我們對於匯率跟相關台灣經濟穩定的力量是那中央銀行呢他我們是有對於貨幣信用跟這個匯率他的這個一個我們希望不管未來的狀況怎麼樣央行跟金管會都做好準備這個會是"},{"start":11647.466,"end":11648.107,"text":"是,請財政部部長"},{"start":11680.552,"end":11695.298,"text":"委員好部長一樣剛剛我們也聽到前面大家擔心的所以中華民國中央政府的總預算明年我們的預計是收歲入部分有達到3.1兆然後比113年增加了將近15%對吧"},{"start":11698.17,"end":11721.896,"text":"對這個是總於整體稅率的部分所以我比較好奇的是我們到底基於什麼理由認為我們的稅率可以暴增到這麼高你的計算方式跟你們的預估的來源是什麼委員報告這裡面我們的稅率會增加15%裡面最主要是稅客收入是成長19%這最主要是稅客收入稅客收入超增今年超增了"},{"start":11722.076,"end":11722.857,"text":"所以我們以後都會在這個3.1兆之上嗎?"},{"start":11737.19,"end":11738.891,"text":"一百一十年其實經濟很好一百一十年其實經濟很好一百一十年其實經濟很好"},{"start":11753.2,"end":11766.67,"text":"一年的成長率有6.6%一百一十二年再能夠好就是因為一百一十年好所以現在就是我們今年好像沒有預計的那麼好但是你可以預計到高達15.7%我們是覺得蠻勇敢的"},{"start":11770.433,"end":11796,"text":"但是你覺得做不做得到?裡面主要增加的比較多的是銀索稅的部分因為今年11、3年的我們的銀索稅跟1、2年的預算比是相當好是衰退的因為1、2年的出口不好所以盈利事業的獲利並不是很好所以我們在11、3年在銀索稅的部分交1、2年的預算數是減增的是減增的是負數的"},{"start":11797.48,"end":11820.908,"text":"因為對我們來說我們希望這麼預估有兩個理由第一個你當然是根據你們的推估但是我不希望是因為新政府上任所以他沒有用沒有所謂的前瞻預算等特別預算然後在預算裡面用這樣的方式暴增來增加你們本來想要做的事情可能更多了但是沒有辦法用特別預算然後匡列在公務預算裡面"},{"start":11821.348,"end":11850.911,"text":"不是的,我們在稅客收入的編列上我們是有專案小組在還有籌組那個專家學者一起來參加來討論按照各個稅務的特性來做籌編的所以我想重點是希望今年的榮景可以持續的延續然後也可以達到我們稅出稅入平衡那最重要的是我們還是希望中央跟地方的財政要好好的溝通分配這個超徵應該是全民共享而不是只有單單的中央政府"},{"start":11851.671,"end":11865.844,"text":"經濟的成長是很重要的事,謝謝。好,那就麻煩,超增的部分麻煩還是給我們今年的相關的數字,好嗎?今年的執行的狀況。對,今年的退步到年底可能會超過預算數的部分。好,那就麻煩部長提供,謝謝。謝謝委員,謝謝。好,謝謝珊珊。接下來我們請吳麗華委員執行"},{"start":11872.658,"end":11901.305,"text":"主席在這裡跟大家做一個報告中午我們不休息那就是維持開會12點我們開放就是在會場用餐謝謝吳麗花謝謝主席有請金管會主委及央行總裁央行總裁金管會彭主委大家午安今天財委會特別安排"},{"start":11902.557,"end":11922.934,"text":"美國新任總統的貿易政策對台灣可能的影響以及對策的專報那最主要是因為我們也看到川普一當選緊接著上場的就是聯合國第29屆的氣候大會COP 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央行請問總裁你不認同他的看法那我請教你你的第4你的9月19號10月19號9月19第7波這個那個信用管制措施以後有看到房價有降嗎"},{"start":12835.828,"end":12837.209,"text":"但是問題是在於報告委員但是問題是就是說那個時候房價一直在上漲對不對所以我們的道德稅5跟第7波的時候最重要的是要扭轉它的一個"},{"start":12851.817,"end":12853.799,"text":"因為你的策略是不是用得不夠啊這樣"},{"start":12868.978,"end":12887.89,"text":"我總覺得就是說你不是說你的政策下去他的房價就馬上下來那不可能的你預計什麼時候會有一個結果大概讓百姓覺得說房價總算比較接近到好像的確有點下跌百姓比較有點負擔的錢我跟委員報告齁"},{"start":12889.231,"end":12898.317,"text":"對先,好,這個怎麼回事,講到房價就開始有噪音了,等一下我,小三等一下,請那個看一下那個什麼,請等一下,什麼問題勒?房價是關鍵字是嗎?"},{"start":12921.083,"end":12926.296,"text":"因為收音的時候可能會有會把這些收下來就不清楚了"},{"start":12935.167,"end":12957.081,"text":"所以,楊總裁所以我知道你的意思你當然希望是可能比較像一種軟著陸的方式嘛就不要說一下子往下但是這個政策如果沒有成效的話我們事實上業界的或是普遍在產業界來看的話他會覺得說也許太低廉的資金取得的成本也是造成這個這個房價推升的一個因素這也是央行這個我們前院長那個陳聰所說的嘛這個是有什麼問題呢"},{"start":12968.698,"end":12983.548,"text":"我跟委員報告9月19現在還沒兩個月了沒關係選擇性金融管制下去了以後呢你看看它的整個的一個就是說是要房價上漲因為9月19到現在還沒兩個月嘛那我們現在應該是在比如說一季的時間9月19到大概比如說三個月"},{"start":12991.494,"end":12994.536,"text":"我們有道德說服請他們一個一年之內要做一個調整"},{"start":13013.909,"end":13032.811,"text":"不要把資源太集中在房地產這是第一個那這個呢他就必須要調整這個是第一個第二個呢我們做這樣的一個第七波下去的時候確實啊確實能夠讓第一個他的道德說服他的執行能夠落實"},{"start":13033.892,"end":13060.616,"text":"我會想像到12月1屆的時候你要提一個大概有個報告出來來看是什麼結果主席為什麼時間倒數從一分鐘開始算應該是兩分鐘還沒有啊你的時間還有我剛剛OK好那來再請問這個沒關係你再講一下好了沒關係請再說一下就是說我說這個9月19開始嘛那現在你是希望說現在已經先暫停了大家覺得房價會上漲的迷思了嘛你覺得有達到這個效果"},{"start":13061.576,"end":13084.892,"text":"問題房價有沒有下跌我跟委員報告我現在就是說現在我如果說看網路來看的話他們的分析我不曉得是不是對啦他們認為就是說現在是已經停止在那邊但是呢他的價格的調整呢他說恐怕要到明年中"},{"start":13085.819,"end":13109.88,"text":"明年中才有辦法就是說慢慢的調整下來那這個我們也是希望我們是這樣子的這個是我們的希望我想請問另外一個問題這個20元硬幣流通我想請教在場的各位有誰除了中央硬幣廠的話誰看過20元的硬幣我不是請教你啦我剛有拿到這個有看過的請舉手"},{"start":13111.874,"end":13135.475,"text":"一位?那邊是中央銀行啊?那邊是財政部的是嗎?哪個部會的?央行的是嗎?央行的!所以20元硬幣只在央行內部流通嗎?除了央行以外,這還有誰看過?一、二、三...除了央行以外,他不能都沒看過20元的硬幣啊?主席有看過嗎?沒看過,我也沒看過齁那我想說這個,這個應該是真的吧?這個貨幣是真的嗎?"},{"start":13138.678,"end":13140.379,"text":"現在詐騙很多嘛,現在如果店家收到這個不會覺得這是詐騙嗎?"},{"start":13157.967,"end":13159.268,"text":"我跟委員報告就是說全世界呢"},{"start":13183.118,"end":13204.594,"text":"的二字坨的貨幣呢流通都不是很好對那我們為什麼要繼續發行現在又走上電子知識指代啊這個就是說你看日本也是一樣的那個倫敦也是一樣的都已經知道其他各國都發行了但是他不能就說他的流通少那你就不發行那為什麼要發行流通少為什麼要發行發行給大家收藏嗎因為要給人家選擇啊"},{"start":13208.837,"end":13228.273,"text":"選擇 因為大家都不用啊那也不是說不用那只是流透 發行來讓大家典藏發行來在央行內部流透央行多用20元我是問你政策啦我對硬幣廠你還要繼續發行嗎繼續發行那你要更多的宣導不然大家以為是假的好不好很漂亮但以為是假的這個跟電子支付實在有點背道而馳"},{"start":13236.699,"end":13238.82,"text":"麻煩有請金管會的主委政交所董事長政交所董事長"},{"start":13266.21,"end":13266.394,"text":"委員好"},{"start":13273.725,"end":13296.305,"text":"兩位好上市櫃公司的公司治理我相信是一個非常重要的事項不管是主委還是董事長對於上市櫃公司做好公司治理保障投資大眾的權益資訊的透明、公開這些都是ABC不用多說了我們在公司治理的時候遇到特定有政治背景的人標準會改變嗎?"},{"start":13298.908,"end":13323.322,"text":"報告委員這個規定就是規定應該不會改變應該不會改變嘛那我們具體啊來看一下有一家上市公司啊他的策略長4月16號辭去職務依照規定要不要發重訊這個要很熟啦金管會的主委這裡面我們重訊有一定的規定啦這部分的話應該是所以要不要發重訊"},{"start":13325.935,"end":13350.691,"text":"來,我秀給你看啦台灣證券交易所股份有限公司對有家證券上市公司重大訊息查證及公開處理程序策略長人事變動要不要發重訊?要嘛?對吧?是的那如果沒有發重訊要不要處罰?要要嘛?那我問題就來囉郭志輝辭職喔他一開始沒有發重訊喔"},{"start":13355.868,"end":13359.337,"text":"被人家檢舉到5月才補發政交署有處罰嗎?從業公司的因為有人跟我具名檢舉啦"},{"start":13367.213,"end":13391.699,"text":"他們跟政交所檢舉啊結果政交所回給他們的函看不下去啊我們一件事情一件事情來啊剛已經建立了嘛要發重訊嘛沒有發該處罰嘛那請問罰了什麼來請說明報告委員齁那通常我們來講的話第一次的話我們都是會發文去警告所以這個有發文警告叫他以後不可以這樣了有對第二個"},{"start":13396.392,"end":13422.99,"text":"我先講之前我還在財政委員會的時候我非常注意這種事情像已經釀成大風暴的盧新碧案當初該公告的東西一拖拉鼓沒有公告當初證交所一開始也是放水但我在財政委員會質詢了以後那個時候證交所董事長是施俊錡他該處理就處理了"},{"start":13424.025,"end":13448.377,"text":"我希望政交所標準要一致啊是好第二個你說這個第一次不要罰我們給他警告就好了跟郭志輝個人沒有關係不是因為他出任了經濟部部長不敢罰你們都是按照標準雖然他的公司沒有依照規定發重訊但是第一次只警告不處罰好來第二個他辭職以前"},{"start":13453.459,"end":13470.385,"text":"他的持股轉量事後要不要申報報告要要嘛對他有申報嗎他有申報嗎欸我是不是容我們查一下再"},{"start":13471.769,"end":13487.962,"text":"你們的資訊掌握很差啊我有再說一次啊已經有人檢舉到你們證交所檢舉到你們證交所啊你們扭曲規定跟人家擦肢抹粉啊說他已經辭職了啦他4月辭職啦所以5月不用申報"},{"start":13489.953,"end":13510.424,"text":"來看一下政交法25條的規定看一下你們對於上市公司內部人持股權交易問答及宣傳我在月中解認次月要不要依照政交法25條規定辦理事後申報要還是不要要要嘛對阿如果沒有申報怎麼辦要出發怎麼發"},{"start":13517.574,"end":13524.096,"text":"哇你政交法實在不熟來來來看一下看一下看一下政交法178條違反25條的規定24萬元以上485萬元以下的罰款可以了嘛這個就沒有什麼啊他是第一次所以就放掉"},{"start":13538.669,"end":13560.856,"text":"這個就是要依法處罰嘛你說你不了解狀況沒有關係我給你時間回去了解我給你時間回去了解但請一併處理說為什麼已經有人去檢舉了你們證交所隨便發一個函給人家打發掉說他已經解認了啦所以不用申報"},{"start":13562.401,"end":13582.758,"text":"阿政交法25條依照你們跟所有上市櫃公司重要的董總上課規定的內容這就是你們政交所印的宣傳集阿阿奇怪了怎麼遇到特定公司的時候該處罰沒有罰還用公文幫人家擦脂抹粉這樣對嗎"},{"start":13584.441,"end":13608.064,"text":"報告委員,這件事情等我回去查以後馬上跟委員...查清楚齁!證交所該處理處理第二件事情當初是誰這樣回函的?讓我們的投資大眾檢舉以後心寒啦我們的金管會我們的證交所是遇到有特定政治背景的人整個骨頭都軟喔"},{"start":13609.468,"end":13625.579,"text":"一個禮拜之內一個禮拜之內回復可以嗎可以好謝謝黃國昌委員那請證交所那個快速那個回應那個黃國昌委員的一個質疑那接著請黃曼凱委員發言主席謝謝麻煩請我們央行總裁央行總裁"},{"start":13643.984,"end":13660.94,"text":"黃委員早上午到現在本席也特別鉅細迷離看了一下你今天的一個報告其中召委的這個題目也講到是說川普總統的一個部分我想先肯定一下就是說你們有把第一任川普總統的"},{"start":13662.918,"end":13692.013,"text":"政策、方向以及面臨到的問題跟現在第二任有可能的一個狀況來做一個彙整這本席予以肯定為什麼因為畢竟雖然大家在講是說這個難以預測可是總是他已經當過一任的總統嘛那既然已經當過一任的美國總統的話他確實他第一任不管他的方向、做法以及策略跟第二任可能有規則可循不過我想在舊教裡面"},{"start":13692.833,"end":13707.445,"text":"比較重要的地方在於是 你的第16頁喔未來觸及台灣﹐ 觸及美方的前兩項檢視標準被列為觀察名單成常態主要是講是說因為2018年開始美中兩大強權﹐所以造成說台灣對於美國的貿易順差持續的擴大"},{"start":13714.086,"end":13724.174,"text":"2018年到現在之後,到底擴大到多少的一個程度?對,所以呢,所以我們這個圖啊,也有秀出了就往上升嘛,是不是?對,往上升,從109億到633億,這個就是"},{"start":13730.759,"end":13758.02,"text":"因為他這個不是只有商品而已還有包括服務商品服務兩樣那其中我特別看到是說你的第一個兩項檢視標準那有一個5的一個備註小字啊下面就講說三項檢視標準裡面第一對美商品跟服務貿易順差於150億美金是不是150億是多出來還是從以前到現在可能我們就有這樣的一個"},{"start":13759.26,"end":13787.068,"text":"我們以前是沒有150億所以以前就是說所以你看從2018年以後我們就慢慢的一直增加到633億所以以前是沒有那現在是越來越來越來所以就是說這一項所以這150億是從什麼時候開始增加他在上一次幾年的時候他就開始因為這是你的報告啊你的報告2015年的時候他就提出就是說要150億"},{"start":13788.688,"end":13817.788,"text":"2015年就提出要150億對好然後一直到現在所以說150億是美方那邊有提出的一個數字對是不是是沒有錯好那您看第17頁是台灣你的第三點台灣縮小對美國貿易順差的建議做法對這是您具體建議的央行總裁具體建議我們政府可能要怎麼做是擴大對美的採購能源對農產品跟軍品來縮小對美的貿易順差對是沒有錯"},{"start":13818.948,"end":13843.257,"text":"好150億這個數字有沒有覺得很耳熟蛤?很耳熟阿最近好像在哪裡有聽過150億這個數字前兩天三大報頭版頭有沒有看到是三大報頭版頭寫什麼寫說民進黨政府有可能要跟美國提出軍品的採購清單是150億美金阿"},{"start":13849.278,"end":13867.558,"text":"約合台幣5000億左右然後其中裡面包括F35包括愛國者飛彈等等大家那個時候覺得好奇啊這怎麼新聞怎麼來的外媒先講是說外媒先報導但之後第二天三大報頭版頭都一樣處理我們第一次看到三大報頭版頭針對一個外媒報導"},{"start":13870.981,"end":13886.825,"text":"總統府否認說沒有這個事情沒有放話國防部部長也來立法院否認說沒有這個事情甚至國防部部長講說國防部沒有所謂的採購清單但是總裁我覺得你好像比較是一個講實話的人"},{"start":13888.866,"end":13904.508,"text":"因為就你來講美國服務貿易順差達150億美元然後你們建議要對美國縮小貿易順差的建議做法就是採購美國的能源、農產品或是軍品怎麼那麼巧"},{"start":13905.849,"end":13925.198,"text":"川普當選不到一個禮拜馬上我們偉大的政府就放消息說要採購150億美元的軍品但是怎樣對美國交代真的是還沒有人家還沒有上任但是交保護費我們已經想著要把白花花的鈔票要奉上了是不是"},{"start":13925.898,"end":13933.14,"text":"數字怎麼會那麼剛好我也覺得很納悶我們的逆差150億馬上我們要補一個150億希望我們能夠採購150億而且當時我也講如果說我們一講說150億的話那會不會也讓美國或是我們在國防部我還是再一次強調軍品採購的部分如果說是我們需要的武器我們一定大力支持"},{"start":13954.645,"end":13974.49,"text":"我們也希望中華民國有建軍有捍衛自主的能力但是如果說我們自己就先底牌講說我們準備了150要去購買武器的話那未來在溝通談判的當中美方軍品採購是美國的賣方市場不是買方市場所以未來在軍品採購的時候會不會增加我們談判的難度"},{"start":13975.591,"end":13987.31,"text":"這邊是說有可能他會以150億往上起算底價就150億因為他是要說你已經你們三大報都已經講了台灣已經準備150億要來買武器啊所以未來他可能開價160、170億"},{"start":13992.605,"end":14007.494,"text":"總裁,你的建議欸所以感覺起來是政府部沒有聽到你的建議沒有,不是你建議縮小美國順差的建議做法就是要採購軍品然後又看到了美國對我們的這個有150億美元"},{"start":14012.213,"end":14025.556,"text":"然後我們現在被列為觀察名單是就是因為有這150億這個可能是巧合啦謝謝洪孟楷委員總裁是不是補書面的資料給洪孟楷委員好嗎我不知道總裁可以給我什麼樣的書面資料是給我們的採購清單證實這個總裁應該是不能辦法對因為是超過時間的我一數啦朝委站起來我尊重"},{"start":14041.839,"end":14063.135,"text":"我意思是說其實我相信你這一個報告是合理客觀的數據那如果說是這樣的話政府部門真的要做什麼事情應該要讓國人知道國人有知的權利今天如果真的是川普政府他上任他真的要求提出什麼樣要求國人也應該知道"},{"start":14064.176,"end":14064.876,"text":"接著請羅廷偉委員質詢"},{"start":14095.742,"end":14096.564,"text":"好,謝謝趙偉,請讓楊總裁是,總裁"},{"start":14106.188,"end":14125.379,"text":"總裁好,川普明年1月20日才正式上台,現在全世界都在密切關切他的口口聲聲所提到的過去種種經貿政治措施會不會實施。我想本席想請問在座還有楊總裁,是不是已經開始沙盤推演川普正當對年關前的各行各業影響的因應措施?"},{"start":14125.999,"end":14127.5,"text":"楊總裁,請問一下未來台幣會升值嗎?估計升多少?"},{"start":14151.135,"end":14153.437,"text":"1985年1月20雷根第二任任期開始的半年多同年9月在G7會議上簽訂的影響到今天都還沒有完全消失的廣場協議"},{"start":14171.155,"end":14196.275,"text":"二零二五年的川普剛好是40年後就要效法他所崇拜的雷根展開一系列的經貿、金融甚至是國安種種都比雷根可能更猛的一個措施尤其川普比雷根我覺得是更性急啦那本席想請教楊總裁很怪台幣的匯率對美的貿易順差絕對是重頭戲我想剛剛很多的委員都在關心這件事情不知40年前廣場協議簽訂時楊總裁正在英國伯明罕大學攻讀"},{"start":14200.498,"end":14216.071,"text":"博士學位40年後主掌台灣的央行是不是有所認知跟妥善的準備我想就是說委員談到這個我覺得委員對以前的國際的經貿你也蠻注意的事實上沒有錯那個時候是1985年的時候是廣場協議讓美元貶值那是那時候的時空跟現在的時空我總覺得好像不大一樣"},{"start":14230.302,"end":14252.023,"text":"不太一樣但又有點相似我想馬克吐温說歷史不會重演但會常常押韻相隔剛好40年後明天川普很有可能就推出廣場協議2.0到時台幣匯率一定會大幅升值對美貿易貨差順差這個一定會被川普團隊要求去做改善所以我想40年後從博明喊"},{"start":14252.663,"end":14271.708,"text":"到這個羅斯福路一段二號的楊總裁到底有沒有什麼定國安邦的政策我想就是說委員我今天我才會想到就是說委員提出這個廣場協議讓我回想到那個時候的時空背景不過我本身我還是非常謝謝委員的提醒"},{"start":14272.284,"end":14275.228,"text":"那這個呢至於他會不會就是說第二個會有廣場協議的2.0這個我們要密切注意第二個呢對我們的這個新台幣的匯率呢我們也會非常注意那至於就是說會有怎麼樣的impact我現在也沒辦法來跟委員報告"},{"start":14289.144,"end":14318.303,"text":"好當然但是我們希望能夠提前準備一定要去預想一下第二任的川普第二任他只做到第二任大家都知道會不會有雷厲風行我們不能夠預測但是我們可以想像有可能所以我們當然要去準備嘛那當然要借重您的專長我們希望能夠預先去想到任何的可能性好不好9月19日兩週前要宣布啊梁總裁2018年2月25日上任以來第七波"},{"start":14319.023,"end":14334.518,"text":"打房政策大家都說楊總裁第7波打房是2010年央行開始以來最嚴厲的一次請問楊總裁在這次第7波最嚴厲的打房措施你認為有效能夠把房價打下來嗎?如果有效什麼時候能夠看到效果?"},{"start":14335.134,"end":14336.395,"text":"我想我們當時我們推出第7波的那個我在我們的業務報告你們上一次我來財委會報告我也講到就是說我們有三個目的第一個目的就是說"},{"start":14350.828,"end":14352.269,"text":"二、審查中華民國114年度中華民國114年度中華民國114年度中華民國114年度"},{"start":14372.8,"end":14384.685,"text":"會讓就是說第一次購買房屋的人呢比較容易拿到資金這是第二個第三個目的呢就是說要讓你的房價的一個預期心理呢能夠還轉回來那"},{"start":14386.886,"end":14388.907,"text":"那現在我總覺得到目前為止我們評估的結果我們這三個目的好像到目前為止是有達到這個目的看起來有脈絡但是我還是要提醒彭總裁從2010年開始打房總共4波"},{"start":14403.353,"end":14412.839,"text":"到了2016年看到一些效果開始有點鬆綁結果房價指數又立刻竄升短短3到4年大概2019到2020房價指數超過2014的最高峰上次彭總裁歷經6年打房而楊總裁從2020到現在打房到今天也是快滿了4年不過楊總裁已發動了7波彭總裁只有4波"},{"start":14427.887,"end":14444.294,"text":"所以我希望這個部分還是要稍微提醒你我們希望能夠趕快看到效果全國人民都在期待總裁您是重擔責任那我們也希望你能夠發揮到所有國人所期待的一些效果謝謝你的鼓勵謝謝評委接著請楊瓊英委員諮詢"},{"start":14457.286,"end":14459.412,"text":"謝謝主席首先邀請楊總裁是,請楊總裁"},{"start":14468.227,"end":14494.666,"text":"韓委員早不早了吳安辛苦你了總裁大家都非常的關心川普當選後呢那麼強勢的美元會再現但是似乎整個國際訊息萬變雖然大家這麼看但是我個人認為也不盡然會如此因為波動會很大"},{"start":14495.486,"end":14498.609,"text":"如果以波動大來註解應該會呈現但是到底會強勢不強勢我個人認為還有待觀察我真的今天是能夠跟楊總裁有相同的同感所以我們就實際來討論"},{"start":14518.046,"end":14521.367,"text":"所以新台幣到目前為止連兩天來貶但是我們這一周也在測試32.5的卡關保衛戰這個機會所以近期這個熱錢如海嘯般的瘋狂的匯出那我們又是海島型的國家又是一個出口型的國家"},{"start":14543.815,"end":14564.728,"text":"一旦匯率過度的波動它等於我們台灣經濟整個金融的穩定度是非常的挑戰所以總裁在你的專業領域裡頭你要怎麼樣具體去維護好我們的外匯市場的這個秩序來避免整個市場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的看法還是你已經跟政府討論過沒有,我們...因為一般我們聽到這個會覺得有點本末倒置啦通常我們買東西是有需求才會買嘛沒有是為了要平衡順差才去買的嘛你這樣等於是不是有亂花錢,這樣子的建議你覺得適當嗎"},{"start":15467.728,"end":15485.894,"text":"不過我想就是說第一個我們台灣我們的進口就是大概就進口譬如像說是能源這個是我們的進口這本來就有在做嘛這個是市場機制嘛現在就是有需要就去買但這個總裁的意思是說我們為了要平衡"},{"start":15486.894,"end":15506.144,"text":"貿易的順差逆差所以我們要特別去加大去跟他買那這中間可能就會買到一些我們現在可能不需要的東西有可能啦有可能那所以因為總裁您是這個在我們金融界講話一言九鼎你這樣講話今天整個媒體都震動了到底要買什麼應該評估說到底哪一些東西是應該買然後沒有去買的我們可以建議可以買這些我覺得這樣子的發言可能比較"},{"start":15513.588,"end":15539.159,"text":"我想委員講的也沒有錯不過我們只是說拋出這個議題而已我們也沒有就是說政府非這樣子不可不是啦因為你也是政府代表嘛你不能說我拋出一下政府討論看看然後如果沒有就沒這回事這也蠻奇怪的第二個你說鼓勵那個台積電到美國去投資然後這個也是平衡貿易順差密差方法但是你知不知道2022年張忠謀講一句話他說在"},{"start":15543.122,"end":15550.836,"text":"在美國,台積電在美國投資是貴且浪費你不知道你有沒有站在台積電的角度去思考這個問題不過你現在就是說台積電還是去啦"},{"start":15555.901,"end":15579.213,"text":"台積電還是去啦去美國啦你是說誇增加嘛現在是說為了要去平衡貿易順差逆差增加投資嘛不過我也沒有說台積電要增加投資啦因為你講說台積電赴美投資現在問題是說要平衡順差逆差所以你講一些解方其中包括去對美的採購以及台積電赴美投資是在這個前提之下去講這些議題嗎我只會說我們的廠商"},{"start":15580.874,"end":15581.334,"text":"請財政部部長、莊部長"},{"start":15612.947,"end":15634.94,"text":"部長請教一下因為我們今年預估也會超增4000億的稅但昨天聽說你講說是不會還稅於民會拿去還債對吧沒有還稅於民這個規劃那我們會減少舉債我想請教一下為什麼前幾年有超增都可以還稅於民只有今天不可以今年不可以差別在哪沒有前幾年只有前年有啊112年的時候因為111"},{"start":15636.761,"end":15639.944,"text":"一年那個時候歷經這個疫情的一個影響然後我們經濟成長得不錯所以把經濟成長的果實以全民共識沒有啦部長今年的經濟成長跟之前一定也是差不多所以才會超震那麼多歲嘛"},{"start":15653.583,"end":15675.355,"text":"跟委員報告 那個時候歷經的我還是說是那一年的關係是疫情的關係所以才還稅於民是疫情的關係那時候疫情的時候全民其實有部分的產業受到一些衝擊但是我們因為防疫所以你還稅於民的目的是為了要刺激產業應該不是吧 那個時候你們當時的行政院長不是這樣子講的喔"},{"start":15677.412,"end":15687.436,"text":"當初講吧就是說因為經濟有成長所以要講這個果實去跟大家分享沒有去扯到什麼產業受到衝擊這些喔所以同樣的條件整個是在疫後經濟的一個那個整體計畫裡面的一項嘛那是一個疫後經濟的一個我們有一個整體計畫裡面的一項就是對全民共享這個普發性"},{"start":15699.14,"end":15718.611,"text":"應該我覺得那時候不是你講的這樣那時候說還稅於民是因為要把經濟的成長跟全民分享而且這本來就是超真的這本來就是超真的嘛那如果說按照你講的都不用還稅於民的話那你每一年通通都試算錯誤就好了啊然後每一年都超真啊超真就被你們政府決定怎麼用就怎麼用啊"},{"start":15720.192,"end":15734.118,"text":"因為你已經連續好幾年都超真的所以你認為說因為你預估跟你預估的時收跟你預估的有落差嘛那你們預估每一年都差到那麼幾千億你覺得是正常狀況嗎"},{"start":15735.098,"end":15755.235,"text":"跟委員報告在國際間的文書差百分之十以內是絕對的一斤兩然後在十到二十趴之間是一斤兩所以你覺得很正常就對我不能說很正常但是我們在估計的方式我們更可以運動所以你覺得所以明年可能所以未來每一年都有可能會超增因為部長認為說在國際上都是正常現象我想委員不要這樣子"},{"start":15757.037,"end":15777.473,"text":"你的態度就這樣嘛。理論上來講,如果部長你認為超徵有問題的話,你就會說好我們可能會經濟或是哪一個部分造成我們超徵,我們去調整。但你不是嘛。你講的就是說國際都這樣啊。所以你理所當然啊。那你如果理所當然的話,那你明年後年、大後年通通都會超徵啊。不是嗎?那你剛剛就說國際都這樣嘛。這個都有直播的,大家都有看到嘛。"},{"start":15783.177,"end":15783.818,"text":"但部長的態度大家都看到了啦"},{"start":15808.553,"end":15829.29,"text":"就是這樣子啦 超徵4000億都是國際上都是正常狀況所以外界也不要批評財政部財政部已經做得很好了就是這種態度大家都看到部長找時間跟葉委員做溝通好不好謝謝葉言之委員那接著鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在"},{"start":15832.012,"end":15856.893,"text":"吳思瑤委員吳思瑤、吳思瑤不在吐泉吉委員吐泉吉、吐泉吉不在蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉不在邱志偉、邱志偉、邱志偉不在黃建豪、黃建豪、黃建豪不在陳冠廷、陳冠廷、陳冠廷委員不在何新淳、何新淳、何新淳委員不在羅志強、羅志強、羅志強委員不在"},{"start":15859.375,"end":15862.181,"text":"張祺凱、張祺凱、張祺凱我言不在王世堅、王世堅、王世堅我言不在"},{"start":15867.369,"end":15889.329,"text":"今天登記花園的委員均已詢答完畢那本次的會議做如下的一個結議報告跟說明跟詢答完畢二委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會在一周內以書面答覆委員另外要求期限者"},{"start":15890.249,"end":15898.858,"text":"從其所定委員王世堅、何新淳、邱志偉首提的書面執行列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆"},{"start":15904.793,"end":15932.363,"text":"第三、中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案：行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利腳庫的部分：及中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案：附屬單位預算營業部分有關中央銀行含中央造幣廠、中央印製廠預算案均令則其繼續審查"},{"start":15935.083,"end":15961.948,"text":"本日會議委員另有相關的預算提案請移請移11月20號星期三中午12點以前競送財政委員會議事人員收件本次的會議議程已進行完畢倘若有不在場的委員補題書面的執行一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理散會"},{"start":15966.817,"end":15968.08,"text":"暫時暫時"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}