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支持。謝謝。謝謝鄭部長的口頭報告。現在我們進行綜合詢答。每位初席委員質詢10分鐘,必要時延長2分鐘。列席委員質詢時間為5分鐘,登記截止時間為上午10點30分。"},{"start":3153.411,"end":3168.342,"text":"委員如有臨時提案請於上午10點30分前提出並與本會委員范雲質詢結束後進行臨時提案處理處理提案時若提案委員及聯署委員均不在場原例不予處理"},{"start":3169.322,"end":3182.67,"text":"因為今天來的校長比較多要讓大家來自全國各地不會太晚回去我們今天中午就不休息12點半的時候會發便當給大家但是我們10點50分的時候會給大家15分鐘的時間休息因為這邊的洗手間不夠所以我們平常只有5分鐘今天給大家15分鐘的時間休息先跟大家預告一下"},{"start":3197.518,"end":3202.941,"text":"那現在我們就請發言登記第一位的洪孟楷委員質詢好主席謝謝麻煩請鄭部長好有請鄭部長"},{"start":3223.666,"end":3246.467,"text":"在部長上來的同時部長好也跟我們所有全國令人尊敬的大學校長再一次致意我想高等教育需要我們大家一起努力推動那部長過去也是我們中山大學的校長所以一定更感受剛剛本席特別聆聽了部長的這個口頭報告裡面洋洋沙沙講了很多但是部長"},{"start":3247.208,"end":3273.882,"text":"那麼多的大學校長坐在這邊前天我們看到我們臺大校長也帶頭呼籲說應該要推動高教前瞻計畫因為過去這幾年我們偉大的政府告訴我們是說我們的經濟表現如何的亮眼所以可以舉債可以做建設那一樣啊對於高等教育的部分本席也期待我們所有校長聚集在一堂都很想要拼都很想要打拼一班市委"},{"start":3275.493,"end":3301.187,"text":"現在高等教育的前瞻計畫的部分教育部有聽到這樣的訴求嗎?有的,這兩天媒體確實有報導這個部長,會不會因為你是校長的身份跟你是部長的身份你的答案會不一樣?如果今天您也是坐在這邊的校長其中一員的話你支不支持高教前瞻計畫?高等教育"},{"start":3302.793,"end":3327.937,"text":"人才的培育確實是我們國家發展非常重要的一環臺灣的一個人我們沒有天然資源我們靠的就是人才培育所以在這個經會的許可我們當然是全力來支持高等教育的一個發展不管在科研的一個能量的提升包括在人才培育上我想我們都會全力來支持"},{"start":3328.417,"end":3337.806,"text":"全力支持但我看你們的回答不是這樣你們的回答是說今年已經編了1200億了所以意思就是說已經很多了"},{"start":3338.697,"end":3349.042,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":3359.688,"end":3384.918,"text":"最基本的電費過去幾年電費漲了多少很多的校長都反映啊人事費用因為配合調薪所以要針對我們的教職員補薪調薪7乘5電費高漲經常性的支出越來越不夠用如果說連學校給系所的補助行政經費都已經在減縮的話那我們又怎麼樣能夠期待我們所有的校長能夠不用煩惱這一切"},{"start":3386.559,"end":3408.915,"text":"而好好的專心來拚人才的培育所以我們現在講的是說有沒有另外的計畫除了你現在的1300億有沒有能不能提出另外的計畫部長有沒有這個決心跟魄力能夠跟行政院爭取也許不是今年但明年能不能出來跟委員報告我會努力的因為我是感同身受的但是跟委員報告"},{"start":3411.377,"end":3428.905,"text":"教育部這些年來在整體的一個預算教育部的一個補助是從70、大概75億左右增加到將近80億也就是說它是逐年增加如果以這一個來講因為陳校長剛好在媒體裡面特別提到"},{"start":3430.045,"end":3440.891,"text":"舉例東北大學東北大學每年都有100億日幣補助我想如果以教育部的75到80億大概簡單乘以3倍我相信我們至少也有250億到將近300億這樣的補助給台大我想台大是一個非常優秀是台灣的一個標竿"},{"start":3453.058,"end":3477.034,"text":"大學我們會全力來支持他但是怎麼樣讓科研的能量在國際化的一些這間努力我相信我們都可以一起來共同努力那麼教育部部長你剛剛講了有講的沒講我真的很懷疑說如果你今天還是大學校長的議員的時候你能不能認同現在鄭部長講的話來部長我請教雖然排名"},{"start":3478.188,"end":3496.537,"text":"他不是絕對可是他還是有參考指標2024年世界五百大大學排名臺灣有多少個大學進入選在QS裡邊我們是臺大臺大有進百大那五百大不會不知道吧"},{"start":3497.642,"end":3507.21,"text":"五百大我們基本上大概有這個七所大學是部長我覺得這是很基本的問題耶我本來以為你會秒答"},{"start":3508.988,"end":3531.88,"text":"那如果說五百大裡面我還是再次強調排名不是一切因為我們有很多不同的大學有不同的特色他是沒有辦法量化的但實際上他也是一個全球的指標全球一千九百多所大學裡面五百大前五百大大學臺灣七所嘛我們的排名也是逐漸一直說實在話客觀的事實確實一直在後退啊"},{"start":3532.745,"end":3559.953,"text":"那我現在在講的是說所以所有的大學校長大家都希望能夠做事結果柴米油鹽醬煮茶要讓大家花心神花精力的去跟人家募款去找校友贊助去成立校友會選校友會會長我想很多校長心有戚戚焉吧為什麼阿就是因為沒告知阿拜託校友大家來到校廳阿那但是我們現在講了那麼多結果部長你講的我覺得"},{"start":3561.293,"end":3586.165,"text":"說實在不是一個具體的回答我們會跟委員報告我們會努力來爭取經費但是我也真的因為我本身曾經在高等教育非常長的時間所以會不會明年提出前瞻計畫還是不要用前瞻計畫用另外高教什麼計畫還是怎麼樣你能夠承諾現在1300億你能夠爭取到多少多增加一倍不然我提官走人行不行"},{"start":3590.199,"end":3609.356,"text":"公務員報告這一個職務對我來講不重要我是真的來自於一種對臺灣這個土地的情感在人才培育我們看到部長,我們都對臺灣很愛所以我才會站在這裡你如果說沒有辦法拿烏紗帽來堵住的話那我再請教一個比較簡單具體的電費調漲"},{"start":3612.546,"end":3635.594,"text":"現在大家都講說明年不知道會不會漲啊我們也講說民進黨錯誤的能源政策你放著火力發電燃煤全開燃氣全開然後結果成本一直增高那受苦受傷受害的就是全民啊那尤其是大學啊那我只是請教明年假設電費要漲教育部能不能現在承諾所有大學明年漲多少我補多少"},{"start":3636.885,"end":3660.877,"text":"確實我們現在跟委員報告我們114年我們就編了59億用來補貼你現在明年編的錢其實如果說明年只要再漲你現在明年編的錢是因為因應今年已經漲了那我現在講說如果說假設明年再漲的話不管漲多少你能不能就承諾不會讓校長們為難我就是明年會漲"},{"start":3662.398,"end":3686.391,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":3686.751,"end":3707.408,"text":"這個我們除了編列59億的補差額以外,如果再有漲,那麼臺電會自行吸收,這是我們在114年時臺電沒有自行吸收,臺電他就是轉嫁到時候不會,部長我還有很多問題啊,今天那麼多校長來,大家就要看到一個有肩膀有脖子的部長,大家就要看到一個瞭解校長身陷的部長"},{"start":3709.91,"end":3727.402,"text":"您是從大學校長出身所以我相信你應該最了解大學校長心聲我其實是不是容委員給我多一點時間我想我們補貼我們一定支持大學一定支持大學所以承諾明年動場明年只要調漲的部分店價我們會補助我們會來協助"},{"start":3730.003,"end":3751.94,"text":"協助還是補助?我們會補助感謝委員對大學的支持部長我還有其他問題那我請台大、成大跟陽明大學附設醫院的院長一起上來一下好不好那時間是不是可以稍微暫停一下請這三位的校長出列一下院長三位院長醫學院的三位院長來時間還是稍微暫停一下吧還是等一下"},{"start":3759.275,"end":3760.135,"text":"主席主席主席主席主席"},{"start":3783.303,"end":3796.182,"text":"現在網路上傳出撥撥醫師的爭議其中所有Google一查還說什麼可以查到900多位撥撥醫師的名單當然昨天衛福部長馬上就去做"},{"start":3797.113,"end":3822.706,"text":"一個澄清但是很多人看完那個記者會之後覺得說有澄清跟沒澄清好像不一樣那我們現在真的想請教本身想了解說院長們對於博博醫師的看法有兩種聲音一種博博醫師他們確實在這個學歷取得的過程裡面沒有台灣那麼的嚴謹但是他們畢竟也經過我們的國考而且如果說真的能夠進入到我們的醫療體系的話相信也有這樣的一個醫療專業"},{"start":3823.886,"end":3841.979,"text":"另外一種真的會對於是說波波醫師名單流傳好像造成汙名化然後讓大家去漏收甚至本市也看到這個名單因為你只要一查波波醫師名單就出來了也有幾位醫師有任職是在我們這個醫院裡面來院長是不是可以說明一下"},{"start":3842.659,"end":3870.6,"text":"好 那我來簡單說明一下那臺大醫院就那900多個名單查是沒有任何一個事在你沒有查 查過有查過 我們全部都查過雖然網路上說有兩位我們也特別就那兩位請他認為是在婦產部跟PCY我們都查過也沒有那為什麼臺大醫院沒有因為其實我們過去在院長室會議的時候就已經有做過決議就是我們假如是波蘭奇的"},{"start":3872.362,"end":3898.544,"text":"醫師就申請住院醫師或是實習我們就不予考慮了不予考慮的原因是因為那時候認為其實醫師的養成比較重要的倒不是只有上課或是比較重要的是實習那我們是據我們所知這些波蘭籍的醫師是沒有在地實習因為語言文化的關係也很難他們只有見習"},{"start":3899.244,"end":3914.839,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":3915.74,"end":3942.555,"text":"其實波蘭好像因為進入歐盟所以就不需要就被認為是先進國家所以就不需要經過一個學歷認證我們其實還有一個學歷認證那我自己在裡面也參與過學歷那個非常的嚴謹大概通過力不到就是各位數字的percentage但是假如直接就是我們認為譬如說像美國、歐盟或是像紐澳這些先進國家或日本"},{"start":3943.235,"end":3964.954,"text":"這些我們可以直接認證他的醫學系的學歷就只要參加我們的國考那國考通過也是有醫師執照所以臺灣的醫療水準一直被我們感到驕傲因為真的是名列前茅那但是現在有這樣的一個學歷採證的爭議尤其這個禮拜說也有本土的醫師要上街抗議"},{"start":3966.515,"end":3983.305,"text":"院長我想請教就這樣第一線來講會不會認為是不要造成民眾的一個恐慌或者是對立有什麼樣衛福部是不是應該也應該跳出來講講話還是衛福部現在做的你認為是說可以化解國人對於我們醫療的水準的一個疑慮嗎"},{"start":3984.724,"end":3986.045,"text":"國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機"},{"start":4014.324,"end":4028.015,"text":"教育我們是給予肯定但是但是他們確實真的少了這一塊就是臨床經驗因為語言文化大家也可以想他一定是見習怎麼可能有辦法實習"},{"start":4030.237,"end":4049.854,"text":"院長那我最後只有一 稍微站起來醫師的爭議是一個部分那另外一個部分我也再提一下因為畢竟過去到現在也有幾個委員都有關心我們教育部旗下醫院的加班申請其實會讓基層同仁會覺得說不合理包括說之前最多只能用最小單位是半小時"},{"start":4050.731,"end":4075.811,"text":"那我知道說你們現在在114年開始已經有要求是說要改每分鐘計算對不對可是我只提一個因為你現在的預算書明年針對人事的部分其實是沒有編足的所以換言之如果說真的用爐石能夠發放的話你現在預算看起來是不夠之硬喔那這樣子會不會讓外界覺得是說你這是"},{"start":4078.374,"end":4092.356,"text":"發放加班費是玩假的因為醫護人員剛剛我們在提到醫療是我們的專業名列前茅但是很大一個部分也是醫護人員大家都一起努力所以說才能達到這個成果所以我只講確認一下"},{"start":4093.376,"end":4121.437,"text":"明年不會因為說有預算不足而要求員工報加班費的時候暗示說經費不足要他們重新思考提報?不會有出現這樣的狀況吧?我們假如真的有編不足基本上我們是贊成用分鐘來計算所以我們也在整個包括我們的電腦系統跟這個資訊系統都已經改了當然這些改要一點時間不過我們預定實施是明年1月開始"},{"start":4122.438,"end":4123.659,"text":"臺大醫院院長發言臺大醫院院長發言臺大醫院院長發言"},{"start":4140.555,"end":4156.18,"text":"陽明交通大學要一併辦理,謝謝好,謝謝,我們一起努力,再次感謝那侯孟楷委員請回,那部長請回,那三位院長也請回,謝謝那我們下一位質詢是葛如君,葛如君委員謝謝主席,有請教育部政要部長"},{"start":4169.957,"end":4171.357,"text":"有請鄭部長部長早我想一樣向所有的校長還有先進前輩致意我曾經讀過三間學校也在兩間以上的學校教課也非常高興有這麼多人一起為教育努力部長您的責任很重"},{"start":4194.824,"end":4214.09,"text":"那首先我先提兩個今天大家熱議的議題首先我過去多次關注雙語政策一直提到AI時代現在所有的手機AI的服務都可以做到同步翻譯未來還會更好但我們的教育政策卻為了配合過去的前行政院長"},{"start":4216.396,"end":4226.138,"text":"頭影片好像有點問題這個AI已經很進步了但我們在播放頭影片有時候偶爾還是會遇到一些困難時間麻煩幫我暫停一下這是技術上的問題不是我們的問題謝謝好謝謝麻煩繼續待會再補我個幾秒謝謝那我想這個配合這個雙語政策變成教育現場有一些亂象那很多的學科其實會變成反而學不好"},{"start":4244.982,"end":4259.388,"text":"現在有消息指出,教育部願意迷途知返,重善如流,重新調整雙語政策想請教一下部長,因為在座大家都很關心,接下來到底要怎麼辦?想向您確認,接下來除了英語課以外,其他課程都不用採取英語授課?"},{"start":4260.979,"end":4263.36,"text":"中小學英語課是的但是跟委員報告就不能這樣簡化來這樣說我們希望國中小他是能夠從日常生活裡邊他能夠開始從最簡單的自我介紹"},{"start":4280.726,"end":4300.331,"text":"到這個學校到社區導覽十一住行等等的接下來麻煩教育部要提出比較完整的配套因為現在你們新聞的說法是交給第一線的學校決定可是您現在又站在這裡說有完整的這個做法不能一刀切那到底是該怎麼做希望我可以提出完整的說明我們屆時現在我請這個我們這個國教署等於說6年分兩個階段每一個階段有3年然後有一些具體的一些做法"},{"start":4310.253,"end":4324.141,"text":"相關配套措施什麼時候進行調整部長可不可以給一個明確的期程因為我們現在很多不管是大專院校還是中小學都還有雙語的預算啊是期程什麼時候會提出明確的調整措施配套措施"},{"start":4325.393,"end":4336.484,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":4351.273,"end":4369.757,"text":"我還是要這麼說的感謝這個農業部他關心我們學童的這一些對我們也非常感謝感謝地方在這個部分的一些政策的協助請說到底接下來配上有問題的學校如何處理部長跟農業部可不可以研議一週內給出完整的做法我們待會還有很多議題要討論這一個部分"},{"start":4375.553,"end":4402.568,"text":"這個農業部他在11月底他會有一個整個政策上所以是11月底以前是是是會有一個完成的說法是嗎會開會會協調那再麻煩我們會持續追蹤那部長我想今天是教育部114年的預算詢答想先跟您分享我們的高教領頭羊我們臺灣大學即將在2028年邁向百年孝慶我也非常恭喜那我們陳校長也特別提出呼籲在近幾年的榮景之下"},{"start":4403.348,"end":4420.997,"text":"其實我們也應該要有更多的基礎建設更多的前瞻包含像日本的大學有每年100億日元的補助或者其他世界級的大學也都持續的在往前更加的推動但近來我們面臨人事費的增長甚至電價還有可能調整"},{"start":4424.238,"end":4442.634,"text":"非常難做一些相關經費的一些因應那非常多的大專院校也都積極呼籲,包含本席是不是可以再為高教請命,站在教育部的立場剛剛我們洪孟凱委員也說了可不可以再向行政院爭取高教前瞻基礎建設的經費,或用其他的方式剛剛他是說兩倍"},{"start":4443.835,"end":4460.04,"text":"那我想還提出了這個烏紗帽的請求我是不是請您再強化一下您的意願跟這個積極態度感謝委員對高等教育人才培育的一個關心其實事實上我跟委員還有我們所有的大學校長的心情是一樣的"},{"start":4460.74,"end":4479.646,"text":"所以我們在高教生跟今年我們就增加了跟去年比我們增加了20億所以我想這個部分我們怎麼樣持續的對高等教育資源給予更寬裕的一個機會讓他們有一個更大的一個對未來的想像的發展我想還是遠遠不足啦接下來可能還有很多費用要調整嘛"},{"start":4480.606,"end":4502.513,"text":"所以這個所有的價格都在上漲,所以麻煩您再積極爭取那同時這個非常多的校長包含我們臺大陳校長也在現場包含本席也都提到說其實現在的人才培育應該要有一個跨部會的小組從這個人才培育我們只是舉AI為例好了"},{"start":4502.873,"end":4531.113,"text":"教育部、國科會、經濟部、國發會、速發部之間其實就有很多橫向的溝通可以做得更好更何況整體的人才培育所以我想請教部長臺灣未來如果要跟其他人競爭我們的人才培育的中長期的規劃甚至未來幾十年甚至百年的大計這是最重要的請教部長能不能向行政院爭取成立一個跨部會的人才培育小組讓大學可以有一個直接和各部會直接溝通的平台"},{"start":4531.573,"end":4536.32,"text":"最重要的是這個平台應該要讓各大學可以參與部長可不可以承諾"},{"start":4538.269,"end":4565.661,"text":"謝謝跟委員報告我們目前行政內部事實上在以國發會啟動本來我們在人才培育裡邊在人力的義孤他就有一個跨部會的一個所以現在全臺灣未來的人才是國發會在管不是教育部在管嗎我們當然也參與接下來這個平台到底要是誰我們現在一問了這個跨部會平台大家會在踢教育部踢國發會國發會踢國科會國科會又踢給辦公室到底是誰教育部長您能不能"},{"start":4566.061,"end":4593.855,"text":"感謝委員的一個提醒委員當然也是一種方式就是說在人才培育我們有更積極的成立一個那不然我們這麼多大學校長在這裡聽您說話幹嘛呢我們請國發會來就好啦人才培育嘛謝謝委員謝謝委員提醒我想我們可以更細膩的針對這個人才來組成這個小組我們來努力教育部可不可以直接啦我想教育部很重要希望可以跟行政院爭取那同時我們談到人才培育"},{"start":4594.835,"end":4623.262,"text":"其實我們也看到一些亂象其實我非常多次的質詢也都提起現在的這個多元入學很可能被坊間稱作多錢入學學習歷程檔案一個單一PTF只能上傳4M影片只能傳幾秒鐘就算了我們這個持續追蹤但是還是希望可以提高但是現在的問題是什麼有貧富不均的問題我們一再的詢問坊間一再的提醒教育部一再的說沒有但是怎麼樣"},{"start":4624.042,"end":4646.136,"text":"所有的課程都還在銷售甚至還有雙11特價蝦皮上面的所有的東西還賣出什麼?有的賣出10萬份有的賣出4.7萬份還評價很高五星好評到底有多少學生都用這些所謂的銷售的這種方式付費的方式來做多錢入學"},{"start":4646.516,"end":4674.234,"text":"那沒有錢的學生是不是不公平老師有沒有辦法去分辨出這些付費的服務這種做法難道是教育部想要的嗎同時啦我想接下來我們還有很多同學的這些資料很可能是用AI產生的AI也可能要付錢AI做出來的東西老師目前也沒有工具可以評斷接下來排山倒海而來的這些資料有的是付錢的有的是AI做的到底我們應該要怎麼做"},{"start":4674.554,"end":4699.574,"text":"無獨有偶近年來我們還推動了什麼呢?APCS的徵選有越來越多的名額要採用這個徵選的方式雖然報名考試的費用是教育部來支持的但是補習班如雨後春筍出來我想我們剛剛列了一系列的問題其實都在講我們的教育的方針跟政策不能變成多錢入學"},{"start":4700.174,"end":4709.059,"text":"有錢的人就可以入學部長面對多元入學變成多錢入學教育商品化我們一定要打擊這樣的現象教育部有沒有探討背後的原因"},{"start":4710.493,"end":4733.464,"text":"感謝委員的指導確實我想教育多元化我們就希望肯定人他就是有個別差異所以才希望他在生涯的發展金錢的個別差異嗎?能力的個別差異嗎?所以能力比較差的就要去補習嗎?就要付錢所以我們多元的入學管道本來就是因應學生希望他能夠適性能夠一個發展更好的發展"},{"start":4736.465,"end":4748.073,"text":"所以剛才委員所提的當然不是教育部所樂意看到的那我們也知道民間的業者有時候他當然在招生的一個手法或者從利潤上的一個考量"},{"start":4767.025,"end":4786.529,"text":"進一步的研議可以提供給本席有專家也提出善用AI工具當然有壞的就是他可能會偽造是自己做的但也有好的提升他的能力那我想請教一下部長您知道114學年度在中小學的階段一共編列多少預算來推動數位平權"},{"start":4792.813,"end":4797.215,"text":"跟委員報告在這個數位評審的這個部分數位學習的精進方案有27億27億除以200再來"},{"start":4805.325,"end":4821.554,"text":"在47之外有將近2億,然後還有一個BYOD的...沒關係,我們算過了啦,每一個中小學生平均起來大概就是3塊錢那一個月呢,其實就是幾十塊錢,跟這個我們營養午餐比起來相差18倍"},{"start":4827.217,"end":4853.349,"text":"這些錢可能要存一年才能買一個月的CHAT GPT的費用我想CHAT GPT一個月要20塊美金教育部如果真的有心要推動數位平權、AI平權要讓不只是中小學的學生我們的大專院校的電腦教室我們的高等教育的這些同學都應該要有能力來使用這些服務完全看不出來教育部推動這些數位平權的決心這部分教育部長可不可以承諾來檢討一下"},{"start":4855.489,"end":4868.24,"text":"我想我們確實一直在努力因為以實際性剛才委員事實上在這個CHAT GPT這個OpenAI確實在整個學習跟教學上影響是很深遠的我們講的是數位平權的預算好不好再麻煩再討論一下"},{"start":4871.883,"end":4886.153,"text":"那接下來其實還有很大的問題是我們的數位素養啦恭喜啦我們的運算思維全球第一但是我們的資訊素養現在是排名第四但是加起來75%的人都只有基本的能力是什麼呢我用一張圖來表示"},{"start":4887.694,"end":4910.56,"text":"所有的這些學生所有的這些年輕人在沒有好的資訊素養教育情況之下變得很會吃不會挑這其實不是我們要看到的年輕人在數位世界裡的能力在各國包含美國歐洲日本都開始持續加強定義我們的數位素養而且應該要持續的來幫助他們否則就會遇到一些很不好的現象"},{"start":4911.64,"end":4934.35,"text":"這個是近期發生的一個悲劇有一個14歲的年輕人接下來非常多的人都在用AI結果沉迷AI聊天最後輕生到底我們台灣的學生不管是高等教育的不管是中小學生使用AI的比率使用的方法使用的是付費還免費教育部有沒有進行調查"},{"start":4935.287,"end":4957.482,"text":"首先謝謝委員我還是要先感謝我們全國的中小學老師讓我們的學生能夠在國際的評比在這個面對問題他的一個邏輯思考分析問題他能夠在世界這個排名第一那另外他的科技的一個素養事實上也明面堅保辨別真假的素養我想"},{"start":4959.143,"end":4986.008,"text":"這個不管怎麼樣它是一個國際評比然後它對台灣的一個教育我們八年級的學生我想這個部分還是要真的要肯定我們老師的用心肯定嘛但是剛才委員所提的這個AI確實國外有許多的研究證據包括在今年裡面美國有一本書的我剛剛不好意思部長我打斷您齁因為這個主席先站起來我問的是台灣台灣的AI工具使用的比率跟現狀"},{"start":4996.126,"end":5008.952,"text":"教育部的學習平台上面我們有的AI工具每一天的10月份的話上課平均大概是3.3萬名學生那其他的部分我們沒有做一個全面的調查"},{"start":5009.572,"end":5027.013,"text":"在這裡具體向教育部提出兩點要求第一請教育部參考國外對數位素養的研究尤其是這些真假資訊的吸收跟辨別的能力參考他們的定義兩個月內來調整我們的數位教學指引中小學數位教學指引跟數位素養有關的定義"},{"start":5027.574,"end":5055.813,"text":"第二請教育部研議定期針對各個教育階段的學生進行AI工具使用情形的調查研議結果希望一個月內與書面回覆本席以上兩點部長可不可以承諾謝謝委員的關心確實因為AI所以我們在8月開學前就有一個數位指引給家長、給校長、給老師使用的狀況而且不是只是使用你們提供的工具不要活在平行時光"},{"start":5058.114,"end":5068.6,"text":"我相信所有的校長都非常關心,希望知道這個事,主席也會很想知道,麻煩部長再來更進一步的報告,這個了解跟我們報告,謝謝主席"},{"start":5090.127,"end":5103.543,"text":"教育部政醫藥部長、清華大學高委員校長、陽明交大林齊鴻校長、中央大學周景陽校長、政治大學林以蔡燕校長、海洋大學許泰文校長、北科大王錫福校長"},{"start":5110.373,"end":5130.003,"text":"能不能按照我剛才的順序來排列好不好第一位我們就先請清大、陽明交大、中大、海大、北科大、政大我們按照由右到左好不好這樣我比較能夠知道是哪一位校長不好意思清大對我們從右到左林校長"},{"start":5135.159,"end":5135.68,"text":"政務司司長"},{"start":5150.057,"end":5166.103,"text":"那我先講我想以上真的各位校長大家辛苦了那今天從很多地方大家都要趕到這裡來但是一年一次今天也非常的重要那以上幾位校長因為今天有幾件事情要跟大家做一個釐清的了解那我想這個我們在108年109年的時候我們桃園市跟以上幾個學校簽了很多的MOU"},{"start":5172.085,"end":5197.546,"text":"那當時我們桃園市的市民其實知道這個消息以後其實非常的欣喜非常的期盼不管是要來桃園設校要來桃園做教育園區要來桃園做醫療專區那桃園市民真的是歡欣鼓舞不過108年109年的時候很密集的跟以上各校簽了MOU我想請教一下先以清華大學來做代表那校長清華大學校長"},{"start":5204.843,"end":5221.579,"text":"當時這個MOU是市府主動找你們的還是你們學校提計畫的?當時這個方案,首先主席跟……直接回答就好這個方案是市政府跟清華大學一同……好,市府找你們的嘛,那中央大學?"},{"start":5224.344,"end":5237.258,"text":"市長請問是市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?市府先表達意願讓我們也覺得合理好 那陽明交大市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?我想是兩邊大概誰先?"},{"start":5238.732,"end":5260.71,"text":"因為是前任 我不太曉得誰先你不太清楚 其實我相信今天任何一個計畫一個位置接下來我們還是要了解之前的計畫好 那我想一樣現在請教一下我們清華大學校長那既然是市府主動的當時我們接到這個邀請的時候我們有沒有評估我們的可行性有沒有評估自身的實力有沒有評估過自己的財力等一下各校長我想都是一樣的問題校長"},{"start":5262.491,"end":5288.1,"text":"對,當然這個清華大學面對這個那麼大的這個……評估過可行性嗎?可行嗎?而且有在學校……校長,可行嗎?是可行的。可行的,好。那自己的實力在清華大學的部分的話,這個實力上面我們可以做到嗎?是的。可以做到,好。我們的財力可以應援嗎?財力那當然需要多方面的合作。好,來,那個中央大學。"},{"start":5289.878,"end":5290.098,"text":"財力財力"},{"start":5310.7,"end":5338.895,"text":"我想您應該也都非常支持我們這個國立大學到任何一個地方做這個校務的擴展或者是對當地有所貢獻我相信站在教育的大家長您一定是同意的嘛 對嘛好 那我們看到這個跟我們唐人市政府簽的MOU我們今天大家來看一下我們清華大學簽的MOU108年4月那當然後來過期了我們簽的是醫療暨教育研發園區的合作的一個意向書"},{"start":5339.995,"end":5364.674,"text":"陽明交通大學附設桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區合作意向書中央大學附設巴德智慧健康創新園區合作意向書以上三個學校都在做醫療的部分我第一個來講我們清華大學我想校長可能稍微聽一下當初您既然說以上幾個學校都說我們可行性"},{"start":5365.014,"end":5367.997,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":5385.544,"end":5396.959,"text":"為什麼其實我們過去這個兩年一直對因為校長我可能不想聽那個什麼我們已經很努力啊我們都在努力中啊我只是想知道為什麼好 校長我想我們看到這個MOU啊跳票是事實嗎"},{"start":5401.624,"end":5403.705,"text":"新華大學桃園附設醫院的這件事情看來我們自己沒辦法做所以我們跟高一大合作當時啊"},{"start":5424.031,"end":5429.816,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":5446.752,"end":5468.381,"text":"在歷次的會議當中跟桃園市政府說清楚那硬是要在7月底把這個土地撥用把它做完成我覺得站在桃園市民的立場來看就有一點點土地被詐騙了那當然我想我們還是要想出一些解套的辦法所以以上我想請教您高一大跟我們合作的這個案子現在還有機會嗎"},{"start":5470.042,"end":5491.897,"text":"簡單回答我們現在正在協商,我們希望會有一個很妥善的...你有沒有把握高一檔還會再回頭,有沒有?這個是對方需要去...機會有多大?這個很難說,因為我不代表高一檔好,校長,如果我們今天都已經在這裡了,這個MU又給你重簽了你都還很難說,我告訴你啦,這一個恐怕是一個破局了您心裡也非常有數啦,那當然"},{"start":5494.719,"end":5519.339,"text":"以這個陽明交通大學也一樣我想也是到目前為止因為校長您說這個您不了解這是前朝的今天我就真的不知道怎麼問您了不過我還是建議校長就是以後校務我覺得前後任校長交接我們還是必須交接清楚當然這個我是說你剛剛特別問說誰先開始的這個當然要知道那校長我想這樣子我想這個陽明交通大學目前也沒有具體的進展對嗎"},{"start":5520.74,"end":5546.038,"text":"我們這邊剛開始不是要設醫療園區是做一個智慧醫療的研發而你們的MOU簽的就是這個桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區意向書啊怎麼不是做醫療園區呢?中間有幾次的一些修正我們總共教育部開了6次會議跟桃園市政府也開了8次會議目前有具體的計畫跟進度嗎?"},{"start":5547.939,"end":5553.593,"text":"目前有目前有不過我想他現在目前也是處於一個雙方還在這個溝通的當中嘛對嗎"},{"start":5556.906,"end":5586.074,"text":"主要是希望我們做的事情要符合桃園市政府的需要然後政府改建之後有一些不同的想法校長我認為我們非常歡迎也期待這個MOU可以落實下來但是桃園市政府也有一些想法比如說因為陽明交通大學其實是非常優秀的國立大學如果能夠來桃園除了MOU裡面的內容之外假設還可以做一些實驗教育等等我希望校長跟納入去考量"},{"start":5587.274,"end":5614.064,"text":"中央大學簽MOU桃園市巴德智慧健康創新園區看起來也是要做相關的醫療、醫院等等不過本身了解中央大學並沒有醫學系、醫學院相關的系所所以當時來簽MOU到底為什麼校長認為有可行性?"},{"start":5614.844,"end":5630.218,"text":"我們覺得先做醫院再做醫學系是比較可行的策略先做醫院喔?所以你有做醫院的實力嗎?我們透過BOT跟其他的你現在要跟誰合作?因為現在還沒有成局沒有嘛對不對MOU過了沒有?"},{"start":5631.067,"end":5660.576,"text":"MOU我們本來進行到一半已經在招商可是新的政府有他新的看法他覺得要改改制成市立醫院這個事情對我不是這樣子喔校長這個講我覺得講事情要按照會議講清楚喔這個是呢我們在MOU的過程當中期限內其實你們沒有叫計劃在走那所以呢你們沒有辦法去完成本來MOU裡面大家約定的事項所以桃園市政府才幫你做一些調整以便我們可以繼續下去嘛那我想喔"},{"start":5661.396,"end":5684.69,"text":"這個調整是這樣的今天既然不管是清華大學或者中央大學以及我們陽明交大要做的都是醫療相關的可是現在看起來自己根本沒有錢嘛要土地的時候大家非常積極要蓋的時候大家現在都沒有錢我想這個經費的來源我想本席看看有沒有說錯第一個我想校務基金第二個募款請問一下校長現在在這個備詢台上有沒有第三個經費來源我們就是用BOT"},{"start":5689.193,"end":5698.96,"text":"用BOT要找對象嘛當然是用BOT你要有對象啊是不是因為要有其他配合的程序才能找我想再請教一下海洋大學"},{"start":5701.189,"end":5721.102,"text":"海洋大學看起來是跟桃園市政府這個BOT最有進展的一個學校但是呢我想請教一下校長海洋大學其實在這個進展之前我們的地無償撥用給你們那其實這是無償撥用嘛然後你在這當中你有沒有把這個土地租給別人獲利六千萬有沒有這個事只要告訴我有跟沒有有有好部長鄭部長"},{"start":5730.417,"end":5736.825,"text":"當時桃園市政府有來函請教你來告訴您海洋大學有這樣的狀況您怎麼回覆的?您怎麼回覆的?部長?部長如果不知道就告訴我不知道"},{"start":5745.934,"end":5774.56,"text":"對不起我這個信息沒有掌握沒關係好當時您回覆的意思是說這是國立已經是國立大學校產了 無不妥大概是這個意思但是部長我今天要告訴您也告訴海大校長其實今天即便是國產署有時候要撥這個土地無償給某機關使用絕對不可以盈利你怎麼可以在這個空就是你在進行計劃的中間的空窗期把這塊土地拿去盈利呢而且還可以獲益六千萬呢"},{"start":5775.76,"end":5796.111,"text":"部長這是可以的嗎?是不是請這個許校長再補充說我跟委員檢調報告一下這個山階在施工啊近身的這些沙子他沒有辦法交通的關係所以海大是幫他這個忙並沒有盈利我們沒有盈利的這個行為"},{"start":5797.119,"end":5810.837,"text":"沒有營利的新聞有沒有6千萬的收入有6千萬收入那我們有跟市長經過三次會議用在我們還是投資在桃園找教館的我想那個校長啊"},{"start":5812.119,"end":5840.855,"text":"就是如果你有收入有盈利這件事情那你用在哪裡我們那是另外再談但是這個行為是可不可以的我希望教育部會後來給我們一個說明跟解釋清楚好不好那另外我想那個北科大的部分呢現在都照這個期程在進行不過還有很多需要跟我們這個波地機關桃園市政府還需要協議的地方我想今天在這裡本席重申一次國立大學要來到桃園市包括今天政大也在這裡"},{"start":5842.095,"end":5847.319,"text":"政大的部分還沒有談到土地的撥用但是我們也很歡迎政大能夠來桃園開班、設校我想桃園市政府會給予全力的支持也是我們全桃園市市民的期待不過我們希望"},{"start":5860.149,"end":5873.838,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國"},{"start":5885.265,"end":5900.401,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":5900.621,"end":5901.121,"text":"教育部教育部"},{"start":5928.618,"end":5957.107,"text":"如果今天這六個國立大學還是沒有辦法去執行我們的相關計畫那要收回這個土地我們按照要點做教育部的態度是什麼?謝謝委員關心這個大學的發展我非常同意也非常認可當縣市地方的發展大學的能量能夠協助城市的發展這應該是肯定的但是如果大學在整個評估上土地上他真的沒有辦法"},{"start":5958.007,"end":5986.206,"text":"這一個土地我是支持應該地方政府要收回因為這一個東西我們怎麼樣讓整個資源能夠更完整的一個來來這一個規劃配合城市發展我想這是我是好謝謝校長的支持啦最後我想這六個國立大學桃園市政府本席我們都非常願意協助你們那用什麼的方式把各位留在桃園讓我們桃園也可以來分享我們國立大學的專業跟光彩好不好"},{"start":5987.284,"end":5997.769,"text":"以上謝謝部長請回還有校長們請回謝謝萬美玲委員的質詢再來我們請陳培宇委員質詢校長們辛苦了好謝謝主席那有請教育部鄭部長有請鄭部長"},{"start":6020.871,"end":6043.35,"text":"主席好還有委員好是部長早安很多的題目我今天就抓幾個我覺得是我們在看教育部新年度的預算的時候我們覺得比較有疑義的地方第一個是關於家庭教育的部分部長你應該記得我從總質詢的時候就開始一直談家庭教育我們來看一下下一頁我們幫教育部快速算了一下目前的編列是比去年多了278億"},{"start":6045.091,"end":6070.908,"text":"那可是在終身教育的部分只編了80億按照教育部如果書面資料的說明你們說比去年多了8.7%那可是呢整體的教育部的經費我必須要說只編了80億它的困境是什麼呢是終身教育原本在教育部的理解跟我們一般人的理解當中它應該是涵蓋學生離開校園一直到生命結束應該都是屬於終身教育的部分"},{"start":6071.508,"end":6085.636,"text":"在往下看,如果是這樣算,我們來看你們目前的編法呢,終身教育大部分的錢都被放在圖書館、博物館、社教機構等相關管社上,實體投資在教育上面的經費只有13.8,"},{"start":6087.757,"end":6105.98,"text":"其中家庭教育相關的經費只有3億一點點等於教育部明年要放在家庭教育的預算只佔整體教育經費不到千分之一可是不論是全教總、老師團體們或者是其實很多家長也已經提出訴求"},{"start":6106.801,"end":6129.449,"text":"家庭教育必須教育部要承擔起責任所以如果來看現在教育部用來推行家庭教育的預算再把各縣市政府的補助扣掉其實留在中央只剩下6000多萬而這6000多萬是我們整體教育部要以中央的角度去支持家庭教育的部分部長你覺得這樣可以嗎這是一個問題很大的問題"},{"start":6131.932,"end":6160.558,"text":"是在家庭教育這個確實是我們整個學校教育能夠順利推展的穩定力量那我想這一個部分如果經費上他的一個所需我們會內部來自己看怎麼樣來協助我覺得非常多年以來整個國家都認為生養小孩的責任在家庭在父母親但是我們也知道這幾年來其實已經很多的家長提出他們的困境提出他們的需求但是我們政府有沒有聽到他們正在求救"},{"start":6161.959,"end":6170.871,"text":"教育部不可以再用過往的觀念認為小孩生了是家庭自己的責任是爸媽自己的責任我們從昨天在勞動部那邊我們一直在跟勞動部談彈性的放假彈性的工時讓家長更多彈性可以照顧小孩"},{"start":6177.66,"end":6201.258,"text":"我認為回到教育部這邊我們家庭教育的預算實在是不能再這樣編下去當然立法委員沒有職權去擴張這個預算但是我們必須要積極的要求教育部必須要再更積極我認為這個相關的演繹必須要繼續那我們來看從家庭教育預算不足衍生另外一個荒謬的問題這是這兩天我們才收到的一個陳情在六都"},{"start":6201.758,"end":6211.241,"text":"某一個縣市推過度性教育措施事辦計劃,請學校輔導人員、本市學輔資中心的專任輔導人員持續輔導諮商工作,還叫這些人去做家庭輔導工作,強化家長瓜胡主要照顧者的親職教養能力。"},{"start":6227.165,"end":6228.646,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":6257.265,"end":6267.788,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬"},{"start":6279.572,"end":6298.319,"text":"發現家庭教育很重要會因著發現學府資中心的工作量人太多而要求學府資中心的人繼續去強化家庭教育但那本來應該是縣市政府有家庭教育中心本來就已經有拿走了錢拿走了預算但是家庭教育中心該做的事情不做推給學府資中心再再顯示家庭教育的困境不是嗎部長"},{"start":6299.499,"end":6314.369,"text":"我完全同意因為各地方縣市政府本來都有家庭教育中心所以我不知道是縣市政府誤會了學輔資中心的功能還是放任家庭教育中心該作為而沒有作為然後甚至這個事情最後要來我要來到這邊跟教育部討論"},{"start":6316.05,"end":6317.612,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機"},{"start":6333.246,"end":6357.399,"text":"家庭教育的需求出現了而家庭教育中心承接不住而在中央的終身教育司又沒有意識到自己在這件事情上有監督的責任有編列預算的責任甚至我們還提到教育部的人告訴我們就是沒有錢啊沒有錢就不能做啊那如果是這樣是不是我們乾脆就放棄家庭教育這一塊我們就正式的對外宣告家庭教育不再是我們教育部的責任我認為這一定不是部長您的想法"},{"start":6357.659,"end":6374.349,"text":"公務員報告確實我進來的時候也看到了這個家庭教育中心的功能應該怎麼樣來更積極來推動各項的一些親子之間的許多的一些發展性的一些功能所以我其實在這個部分我還特別拜託我們這個市長"},{"start":6376.59,"end":6398.972,"text":"一定在這個部份在未來要有更積極的一些看起來今年的預算我還是看不出積極的作為部長我們後續會再來討論我一定會在這個部份有一個更積極的一些好謝謝部長非常正面的承諾所以你看到這個困境所以我希望可以在兩個月內提供相關的書面報告給予整體的教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有委員都會關心家庭教育好來下一個"},{"start":6400.073,"end":6419.826,"text":"閱讀的事情我已經跟部長也談過很多次了我現在先回頭看二到六歲因為現在是屬於教育部主管二到六歲其實是在高等認知功能系統的關鍵期不管是他們的閱讀、數學運算、邏輯思考在二到六歲這個階段快速的發展如果我們回到所謂的幼兒園階段到底孩子們可以有什麼呢我們現在看下一頁"},{"start":6420.646,"end":6439.851,"text":"目前我們來看預算因為今天要談預算我們來看在教育部的預算0到2歲有所謂嬰幼兒閱讀禮帶大概花了300萬是由國台圖來執行或者是在2到6歲我們其實沒有看到2到6歲我們看不到國教署也沒有任何的態度可是6到7歲我們知道你們有了新生閱讀禮帶有充實國民中小學圖書計畫在國教法通過的時候我們有了3億但我要先說我覺得這還是太少"},{"start":6445.512,"end":6469.694,"text":"接下來閱推計畫有7500萬還有長書人員專案的預算是在地方政府可是整體的預算我們來看在閱讀其實路外教育部真的很少很少我一再一再一再的拜託部長部長你一定有清楚喔面對3C的困境我們除了增加校內的遊戲場我們增加多元課程的可能我們回到家庭教育但是如何把閱讀作為一種學習方法"},{"start":6470.394,"end":6483.042,"text":"協助現在數位時代的小孩我覺得已經是刻不容緩的任務所以我要再次提出閱讀資源的匱乏這件事情跟整體教育部在這件事情沒有認知到這是自己現在應該做的事情我覺得這是最大的問題那我們來看下一頁"},{"start":6485.663,"end":6504.933,"text":"目前我們找到幼兒園分班基本設施標準裡面我們看到了很棒有寢室、遊戲空間、儲藏空間、配散室、觀察室、資源回收區、生態教學園區其他有利教學活動室空間可是我們沒有談到讀書室其實我們在中小學是有讀書室的甚至教育部過往每年都有花所謂社區、圖書館的概念去"},{"start":6507.174,"end":6521.873,"text":"改善學校裡面的圖書館可是我們在幼兒園的部分完全沒有如果我們認為閱讀是從小就要培養起的一個學習方法甚至是面對3C時代的焦慮那我認為我們要從幼兒園就開始所以我也會積極提出下一頁"},{"start":6522.534,"end":6541.988,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6542.408,"end":6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院這個調查報告我也建議你們團隊有時間這個報告應該把它看完其實監委有給我們建議啦因為這個也不是教育部教育部一個單位我看也沒辦法處理這是一個地方政府都沒辦法負擔的這個責任所以呢監委給我們建議說請教育部"},{"start":12624.025,"end":12637.07,"text":"及文化部,因為我們文化部本來就有修復歷屆文資的計劃補助,不管是私有、民間或是公有的都有在補助。台大過去有一案是文化部補助,但是只有一案,顯然不夠。那內政部呢?"},{"start":12639.471,"end":12666.761,"text":"也有相關的一些法規例如說現在文資可能文資法也有融轉等等所以我希望教育部是可以找文化部跟內政部一起來討論不只是台大其他的大學都有相關的負擔我們不要把這個修房子整修的這個負擔通通讓學校自己來承擔它有很多校務要去經營能不能教育部來協助找文化部、內政部一起來研討在審查預算之前給我一個初步對於法規的盤點"},{"start":12668.563,"end":12689.479,"text":"謝謝委員關心這個具有歷史性的這些文化資產我想以我們目前確實在大學端的這些文化資產的文化部他定有辦法但是我們不逃避責任因為在我過去擔任校長的時候確實我也整修過跟文化部所以我們教育部也可以先來賭注"},{"start":12690.74,"end":12710.071,"text":"教育部這邊我們未來我們來看學校端我們跟地方政府跟文化部還有學校我們共同來合作來保留補助是一定要的但是你還有相關的法律工具所以我看你們要總體有一個計畫出來不要說再發生像曹永和故居我個人是非常心痛"},{"start":12711.391,"end":12728.08,"text":"因為你少了前面的調查研究工作所以你送到文字會的時候當然它的歷史意義還沒有被呈現出來好那就希望我們接下來要跨部會來協助學校接下來我要請臺大醫院的院長吳明賢院長是副校長嗎也請留步"},{"start":12736.786,"end":12758,"text":"好這個部長我要關心的是在我的選區喔臺大醫院有北戶分院就在內江街跟康定路口那首先我要非常感謝因為在疫情的時候我整個區域內能夠收治確診同時又需要洗腎患者的就只有我們北戶分院我非常的感謝你們救了我們很多民眾的"},{"start":12758.24,"end":12760.181,"text":"主題是希望我們要把老年醫療跟長期照護可以合一一條龍,養護結合"},{"start":12774.989,"end":12798.206,"text":"院長我現在要關心的是你計劃核定的沒有因為我每天經過民眾都在忙啊你們就在我們社區旁邊你們現在這個本戶要先送計劃給臺大醫院嘛臺大醫院要送計劃給臺大臺灣大學嘛臺灣大學要送計劃給教育部嘛如果說未來需要國發會公建的補助的話還要再送給國發會嘛你們現在到底進度到哪裡了"},{"start":12799.486,"end":12828.255,"text":"謝謝委員關心這個事情因為臺灣已經早就是超高齡社會那20%超過20%是65歲以上的人口那在北部因為我們注意到萬華區其實超過25%所以我們很早就要建構一個老人醫學跟長照的一個一條龍的整合型特別是為什麼在北部他需要蓋第二道因為我們發現我們北部的護理支架"},{"start":12829.235,"end":12848.962,"text":"等候6個月所以我們已經這個計劃已經送到行政院那整個計劃還沒有完全回來不過其實我們希望國發會可以以前可以補足30%因為據說據說我現在拿到的是說只補23%但是我們醫院這個整個計劃是17.7億醫院本身會出"},{"start":12858.025,"end":12882.301,"text":"總願會贊助9.9億元北戶婚宴本身會籌資2.49億所以希望政府可以給我們補助30%這個計畫的總經費是17.7億那院長你們家分院可以自己籌到幾成我們自己籌7成你們籌7成啊好這個計畫已經送到教育部來了嘛是不是已經從臺南大學已經送到我們教育部了好那請這個請部長"},{"start":12888.286,"end":12903.646,"text":"我希望這個臺大醫院的北戶分醫院對我們社區以及對我們臺北市整體的老年醫院來講非常重要關鍵據我所知過去這個公文光跑就跑了快半年所以我要拜託你們這個案子我們來大力支持可不可以"},{"start":12905.597,"end":12925.886,"text":"報告委員這個部分我們會協助臺大北戶分院來做一些詳細的規劃因為他們在中間的過程當中確實有經費的一些調整跟一些因應誤調的部分有做一些修正那這個部分我們會後續會來協助跟支持好感謝謝謝主席各位請回部長校長請回謝謝吳佩儀委員的質詢我們再來請黃建豪委員質詢"},{"start":12941.789,"end":12943.11,"text":"五四要委員質詢完之後我們處理臨時提案"},{"start":12953.188,"end":12975.904,"text":"委員好部長好部長這個今天有這麼多的專家學者大學的校長在這邊那當然首先還是要了解一下我國的高校的問題我是外委會的所以時間比較少所以很快速的跟部長討論一下我想從這個數據上來看不管是教育部的數據還是我們審計部的這個決算報告也好臺灣大專校院的平均的每個學生的分攤經費"},{"start":12977.345,"end":12996.69,"text":"國立大學平均大約30萬、私立大學平均大約17萬多、全國平均22萬即便是臺大已經是全臺灣最好的學校他理論是平均每個學生的平均分配經費也只有64萬相比於其他鄰國不管是亞洲各國還是歐洲各國甚至香港、美國等等的我想"},{"start":12997.31,"end":13004.892,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":13020.256,"end":13047.648,"text":"那到底這問題出在哪裡?還有一個問題是說這個經費少之外經費跟別國比起來相對比較少之外還有教學現場很多老師會有一個問題是他除了教學之外他的研究還有很多競爭型計畫他必須花很多心思在競爭期在教育部推出的各種短期計畫裡面這件事我想也影響了學生的受教學所以問一下部長新上任之後到目前這個問題有沒有辦法解決或未來有什麼樣的想法?部長"},{"start":13048.984,"end":13077.483,"text":"謝謝委員關心高等教育的教育品質包括它的資源那其實我我想委員也非常清楚臺灣的高等教育在過去這一個的經費我們當然有一套的一個公務預算上的一個計算方式那隨著學校後來的一個發展譬如說像臺城青膠政大這些都有非常好的品牌他們在產業企業民間的一個支持捐款來自於"},{"start":13078.323,"end":13086.667,"text":"學生、校友的一些亮麗的表現我想他們的資源相對是豐富的但是如果我們再看這樣一個經費上來看我們考慮到這個這個幣值在當地的消費指數來看其實我們會看到"},{"start":13094.491,"end":13097.612,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機"},{"start":13115.299,"end":13138.797,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":13139.037,"end":13164.354,"text":"進入到這一個世界的百大理念大學我要問的是說教育部的經費那經費你們未來會提高呢還是說變成像比如說台積、張誠這些學校他們去靠部門的方式以今年我們明年的意義是我們就比今年多了59億那這59億裡面包含高教深耕這個多了20億"},{"start":13165.495,"end":13182.903,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學校院校務基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":13184.184,"end":13184.564,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":13205.857,"end":13217.45,"text":"那他等於他的研究的這個計畫也好或他在教學的品質也好可能有所下降我不知道說這件事情教育部在政策上有沒有需要調整還是你們要繼續延續目前的這個對大學的補助計畫的方式"},{"start":13217.967,"end":13218.107,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":13243.68,"end":13257.592,"text":"具體建議是說希望我們第一線的教授不要花這麼多時間在爭取所謂競爭型計畫而是教育部能夠給他們比較穩定的常態型的補助常態型的預算有沒有可能這樣做"},{"start":13258.312,"end":13286.558,"text":"跟委員報告因為以大學教授來講他個人的計畫基本上是在國科會但是以教育部來講我們比較少個人我們大概都是從學校學校裡邊爭取到的經費他回到學校裡邊怎麼樣落實這一個他們對這個研究計畫的一些想像然後怎麼樣能夠扎實的去執行我想這我們利用這個機會還是要拜託我們大學校長我們一起來努力好 部長謝謝"},{"start":13289.387,"end":13290.288,"text":"部長、司長請回謝謝黃建豪委員的質詢再來我們請吳思瑤委員質詢"},{"start":13304.373,"end":13305.335,"text":"委員好"},{"start":13325.309,"end":13351.006,"text":"我今天是要來搶救教育預算的當然我想今天也有一些委員提到財政收支劃分法如果粗糙的被修過了那麼未來就是受中央肥地方那教育預算會成為重災戶才化法如果被二修了教育預算成為重災戶我一定要"},{"start":13351.866,"end":13378.6,"text":"透過直播把這個訴求讓全臺灣關心教育的朋友一起來關注今天有很多在野黨的委員在場一手討預算要跟部長爭取預算但是一手卻忘了他們正在從中央把珍貴的教育預算給挖走了下一頁才化法如果"},{"start":13380.158,"end":13388.322,"text":"帶走了6612億那麼中央就剩下可用的財源是1157億這幾天國人都看到了下一頁"},{"start":13394.113,"end":13415.144,"text":"我過去長期在教育文化領域我就以高教跟國教我這幾天辦公室都在統計喔如果才化法6612億從中央的可用財源來挪移了那麼高教的青年預算可用的財源會大失血"},{"start":13416.423,"end":13445.409,"text":"初估至少影響1,292.7億這個數字早算到半枚了而且這是吳思堯辦公室自己算的我請高教司長提供給我一個更完整的資訊譬如說補助國立大專校院校務基金及附屬醫院教學委管工程設備540億可能就沒有辦法再支應了"},{"start":13446.169,"end":13472.058,"text":"又譬如說大家現在都享受到政府的福利減免大專學生的學雜費而且補助私校健全發展395億也會斷吹了又包括高教生耕我剛剛聽到國民黨的委員要爭取還請部長堵上烏紗帽一定要爭取高教前瞻的經費那麼請在野黨的委員懸崖勒馬"},{"start":13475.879,"end":13498.685,"text":"如果才化法修惡、惡修了高教生耕計劃第二期200.5億就不見了更不要說提升高教人才斷層提升教研人員的待遇計劃將近50億所以總體來講高教青年可用的預算"},{"start":13499.585,"end":13514.693,"text":"就會可能被搬走了1292.7億現在的計劃沒有辦法永續執行這是高教但是我請高教師給我一個更完整的統計OK嗎好下一頁"},{"start":13516.031,"end":13531.9,"text":"國教的部分我謝謝彭署長因為這兩天剛好跟他有另外的會議我們剛好一起討論到如果才化法修正了未來影響中央可用裁員在國教的部分至少會影響938.2億"},{"start":13536.212,"end":13560.28,"text":"部長您聽好喔!包括小子化2到6歲的幼兒照顧與教護688.8億可能就斷吹了!又包括現在教育文化委員會包括過去我們一直努力在推的學生輔導法現在要即將好不容易朝野同意通過協商很快可以在院會二三讀"},{"start":13562.14,"end":13574.647,"text":"當朝也都在爭取學生輔導法要擴建我們地方政府協助他們來增設專輔教師、輔資中心還有專輔人員的人事費教育部編了32.6億"},{"start":13577.629,"end":13606.038,"text":"如果修法大家都說要修學生輔導法可是另外一邊才化法又被修惡了那麼這一筆32.6億要協助地方專輔教師的經費就沒有了所以在國教的部分受影響跟衝擊的會有938.2億彭處長我的整理應當是正確的吧是的是好下一頁因為內容很多我沒有辦法來細項講但我必須凸顯"},{"start":13607.884,"end":13636.766,"text":"教育是重災戶本期長期以來協助投入爭取的青年租金補貼363億包括內政部335億是內政部來擴大這些社會青年但是在教育部門我們上會期努力爭取今年度上路的大專校院的校內住宿補貼28億就受影響了在下一頁我很快的收束新宿舍運動在場所有的校長大家久過來"},{"start":13638.007,"end":13662.119,"text":"新宿舍運動第一期50億第二期33億如果財源被搬走了恐怕也沒有辦法永續請大家還沒爭取的趕快來爭取現在政府編列的是第一期50億跟第二期的33億謹慎的可能未來會斷垂下一頁很快的跟大家報告國立大學"},{"start":13663.82,"end":13687.312,"text":"參與率有31校通過率有67.7沒有申請的臺北體育運動大學許校長請加油臺東大學鄭校長請加油臺北教育大學程校長請加油包括暫停中的有彰化師範臺北大學跟體育大學如果學校遇見問題教育部專案來協助在下一頁"},{"start":13688.592,"end":13699.2,"text":"繼職的部分更要教育部來全力幫忙目前沒有申請的臺灣科技大學嚴校長請加油湖北科技大學張校長你們撤案了請加油澎湖科技大學黃校長臺北商業大學任校長臺東專科學校王校長"},{"start":13707.466,"end":13734.311,"text":"台南護理專科學校黃校長請加油然後臺北科技大學我們已經協調好了王校長我們終於可以在地案了換言之如果各校我相信大家想推遇到困難請教育部專案來協助好我的時間到了我今天提的資料提的訊息請大家一起搶救珍貴的教育預算新宿舍運動83億未來可能沒有了大家趕快來爭取好"},{"start":13736.407,"end":13736.427,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":13749.522,"end":13767.871,"text":"有鑒於桃園市因人口快速成長導致醫療及教育資源不均多所國立大學包括清華大學、中央大學、陽明教育、政治大學、北科技大學、台灣海洋大學等校108年起及陸續規劃於桃園市設立醫院醫療園區或教育中心分校等"},{"start":13768.711,"end":13786.327,"text":"並和原市政府簽訂合作意向書MU,民眾應且期盼。原市政府已配合變更度式計劃及無償提供土地,為期金5年有餘,除其成人檔更未有具體進度,甚至透過合作意向書期限。"},{"start":13787.628,"end":13814.634,"text":"還傳出計劃申辯嚴重傷害桃園市民情感,尤其青華大學、中央大學及陽明交道原計劃與桃園設置醫院及醫療園區既已取得移撥土地,若無法以原計劃完成,則應與桃園市政府合作設置市立醫院為依。也要求上述六間國立大學一個月內具體回覆前階計劃之最終定案,及預定辦理其成。"},{"start":13815.254,"end":13834.136,"text":"提案人外美齡、人屬人格、無菌、羅庭瑞、宣洋病因為這個臨時提案教育部這邊已經同意,部長要表達什麼嗎?請我們這六所學校校長表達一下有沒有其他是不是能夠"},{"start":13835.557,"end":13856.313,"text":"就是清大、中央大、陽明交大、政治大學、臺北科技大學、臺灣海洋大學對不起主席我可以再說明嗎?這樣子的話可能他們的東西上來會更精準一點好不好?那我想跟這個部長還有我們的上述國立大學這六所大學喔那剛剛因為我在這個質詢的時候也講得很清楚喔"},{"start":13857.033,"end":13871.34,"text":"但是這中間還有很多的細節跟問題今天因為時間關係沒有辦法講述完成但是我相信這六所國立大學都知道這裡面有一些問題在所以我是希望這個月具體回覆的內容"},{"start":13872.32,"end":13885.931,"text":"我覺得不可以太空泛那要能夠具體為什麼?因為這個具體有助於這六所學校能夠確立在我們桃園市MOU的落實執行所以這也是給雙方彼此一個機會你們趕快去檢視然後把這個計畫寫出來"},{"start":13889.674,"end":13904.788,"text":"也便於與桃園市政府來做一個合作,讓教育委員會委員能夠清楚知道。所以這一個月內,把MOU現在沒有辦法達成原來共識的地方,要能夠詳述清楚,讓一個月之內把它提出來。以上,謝謝。請問剛剛這六所學校的校長有沒有什麼意見要表達的?"},{"start":13913.795,"end":13914.276,"text":"教育部保證"},{"start":13922.875,"end":13935.066,"text":"可以嗎?我看我們六所學校校長都點頭,所以我們就配合辦理。謝謝委員。好,那就照案通過。各提案如果有委員補簽,請議事員詳細登載在議事錄,可以到前面補簽。接著我們就繼續進行質詢。我們請林德福委員質詢。"},{"start":13955.225,"end":13955.886,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":13980.905,"end":13995.897,"text":"部長才昨天報告的那年年超徵結果他把超徵的錢拿去哪裡給台電錯誤的政策比貪污100倍可怕所以說我們現在回歸正道這是25年從來沒有修過的"},{"start":13999.019,"end":14025.038,"text":"因為才化法本來就要修而且中央現在拿多少72%地方28%現在分配到64很公平很客觀而且教育的預算都有編列不要用今天各大校長來用這樣來拗這樣來騙我跟大家報告我們希望整個國家就是均衡的發展"},{"start":14025.658,"end":14051.568,"text":"你各縣市都一樣這些年來因為我是資深的委員他把很多錢給台南給高雄去治水你看高雄淹水淹得多嚴重我跟大家報告啦問題一羅光啦我們希望就是各地方能夠均衡的發展所以說我們今天一定要講話不能讓你說用今天所有校長都來然後來硬拗來騙這些校長"},{"start":14053.829,"end":14069.614,"text":"而且你每一年的教育預算都有編列今年超徵4千億這幾年加起來超徵最少有兩兆但是他補助台電補助多少你們去給他查看看一個錯誤政策比貪污100倍可怕來 鄭部長你請上來好 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主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":16617.439,"end":16640.045,"text":"方式不一所以我也非常的希望既然有良好的政策你應該去討論怎麼樣的一個基礎概念再由學校再行因應不一樣的面向來申請這樣子才是真正的來落實貧窮月經真正的幫助需要的人嘛對不對預算才不會亂花嘛謝謝委員"},{"start":16641.265,"end":16658.87,"text":"謝謝我是認為有精進的方案委員的這一個提醒對我們在推動這一個友善的生理用品我想那是有幫助的好那你把你精進方案跟你的預算執行的成效順便再給本席我們一起加油好嗎謝謝部長、署長請、司長請回謝謝楊瓊英委員的質詢我們再來請吳春辰委員質詢"},{"start":16679.23,"end":16707.497,"text":"有請鄭部長還有張亮次長有請鄭部長跟張亮次長委員好部長好張亮次長好今天在座有47位大學校長每一位大學校長都是我非常尊敬的人但是在這裡我要特別彰顯"},{"start":16709.768,"end":16735.747,"text":"教育部長、次長在教壇上面就是教壇盟主,對不對?不敢盟主?怎麼會不敢?今天都是...沒有,我們是合作夥伴合作夥伴沒有沒有沒有所以今天我在這裡也另外要彰顯因為我是教育文委員會的委員我在這裡也要彰顯一點就是說部長、教育部長在到立法院來是很受尊重的"},{"start":16738.102,"end":16762.056,"text":"而且我們要討論的是有層次的問題行政立法是可以合作無間是一個進步的國家團隊所以以下我想要跟大家討論的也跟在座的大學校長有關的也就是少子女化的大學困境有何解方"},{"start":16765.171,"end":16783.242,"text":"上一次10月16號我提出的這個質詢後來被修理得很慘我提出這個表來說學生越來越少那預算越來越多我們從93年教育預算是1367億到113年是3390億增加了2000億但是我們的學生人數呢從93年的505萬"},{"start":16794.409,"end":16820.988,"text":"到113年的404萬減少了100萬人那為什麼預算越來越多那個講的就是說大家就說這個委員太俗氣了教育是崇高的事業怎麼可以從這種算錢的問題來這一個所以呢應該沒有這樣的一個意思沒有這樣的意思那是不是請部長解釋這是什麼狀況"},{"start":16823.953,"end":16846.698,"text":"我想當然這個少子化學生人數確實是減少那物價指數當然有一些這個也有部分的增加但是就陳儒委員今天關心的大學怎麼樣永續發展從終身學習的一個概念讓大學有一個更更好的一些這個發展我想"},{"start":16847.618,"end":16871.672,"text":"這也是政府基本上的一個態度我們希望他能夠在教育品質隨著這個經費在我們的這個整個總體的一個這個經濟裡邊我們能夠有更多的一些資源來挹注這個大學今天新聞當中很被重視的就是川普宣布要成立政府效率部"},{"start":16872.552,"end":16900.291,"text":"然後指派由馬斯克還有拉瑪斯瓦米兩位企業家來率領領導政府的效率部他們認為政府要解構官僚體系消除凡文怒節、尊潔浪費支出、重整聯邦機構這一個部長覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也需要來一個效率部"},{"start":16902.801,"end":16906.523,"text":"政府的效率這是每一個國家都會追求的。"},{"start":16917.15,"end":16933.023,"text":"絕對是大大的支持在國會當中對於教育很多但是呢我們這個的效率是不是能夠更加的精實更加的精進包括很多大學看起來財務還是虧損狀態還是國立的所以這一個還是要有企業家精神"},{"start":16943.012,"end":16945.675,"text":"還是我們教育應該有經濟的地方還是很多啦"},{"start":16949.127,"end":16973.747,"text":"然後這裡來講就是說這一直我在立法院提倡的叫壯士代這個是國發會的資料我們1970年代的時候人口是長金字塔的樣子年齡中位數是19歲也就是說一半的人在19歲以下到2040年我們的年齡中位數是52歲"},{"start":16976.39,"end":16992.179,"text":"從19歲到變成52歲這是一個社會結構最基本的東西那在各位跟教育絕對有非常密切的關係那不曉得大家有沒有注意到整個教育體系所以現在因為"},{"start":16993.28,"end":17008.937,"text":"大家都還是停留在1970年代的思維金字塔認為年輕人孩子很多所以才會造成現在大學的困境從這個表當中國畫會的推估今年我們的大學人口還有87萬到2040年會剩下67萬"},{"start":17013.26,"end":17028.489,"text":"如果到了2070年如果低推過來獎會剩下31萬幾乎剩下三分之一那我不曉得所謂的學校的一個計畫有沒有把這個變數納進來整個教育的一個"},{"start":17034.312,"end":17061.101,"text":"那部長你剛來的時候所以我也給你加油我們鄭部長第一個有提悟到這個問題因為針對少子化所以大學要敞開大門大學不是只有18歲來念的我們應該是全年齡都可以來念的部長一開始我記得對委員提出第三人生大學這個壯世代也非常的佩服但是包括那個林青霞"},{"start":17063.082,"end":17074.133,"text":"說他在電影裡面經常演大學生,但是他最大遺憾就是沒進大學現在我們60歲,平均60歲退休,60歲已經將近600萬人"},{"start":17076.747,"end":17094.985,"text":"這些人大概只有10%人經過大學,因為以前大學門檻很高,很難進去。所以這些人叫圓夢嘛,他們想進大學。那這是不是很好,這些人掌握壯士代55歲以上,掌握台灣三分之二的財富。"},{"start":17096.326,"end":17123.731,"text":"然後呢他們很想進大學這是我對委員配伍的地方因為他確實是一個很好的想法如果企業家來講早就想到這個也符合我們終身學習的一個政策另外這個是解決少子化的問題我們未來因為高齡化這叫扶養比高齡化高齡化被扶養的當分子然後工作人口當分母"},{"start":17124.631,"end":17149.057,"text":"因為高齡化所以分子越來越大因為少子化分母越來越小目前是3.6比1啦3.6個人撫養一個到2041年變2比1到2057年變1比1年輕人就被壓垮了啦那怎麼解決撞世代的方法就是把分子撞起來拉下來當分母嘛分母就很強壯那怎麼撞起來就是要進大學啊"},{"start":17150.336,"end":17165.176,"text":"他們到60歲現在醫學很發達還有30年健康認證不要把他們變成是一個被撫養的人而是能夠投入社會積極貢獻所以第三認證大學對他們來講非常的重要是嗎?部長同意"},{"start":17165.737,"end":17184.768,"text":"我剛才特別提到說對委員我進來聽到委員的一些對整個人的生涯的發展包括大學如何去拓展這個結合終身學習有更多的一些人能夠進入到大學資源那麼豐富我們應該能夠善加應用"},{"start":17185.188,"end":17205.7,"text":"那個部長這一份是6月3號的時候發給我的文你就是說你就任之後發給我的第一份文就是撞世代第三屆人生教育機制的研議情形的一個計畫有回報來所以表示很積極剛上任就有積極的回應那我們看這回應當中"},{"start":17206.981,"end":17222.352,"text":"有提出了短期會有做第三人生大學的一個核心課程的研磨的計畫中期就是要開始有一個試辦計畫長期要把第三人生大學跟學位來銜接當時過來的這一份計畫書是這樣寫"},{"start":17227.529,"end":17253.651,"text":"那所以在座給各位大學校長了解教育部現在是要推動這個東西嗎?是嗎?是我們可以跟各大學而且經過後來的公聽會教育部也有參與也經對於方法在研究就從學士學位的學程專班或者是多元專長的學位學程專班看起來內容都已經有對事辦計畫有具體的進度了"},{"start":17260.395,"end":17273.7,"text":"事實上有很多學校包括華藩大學、包括公共大學都已經響應想要來做第三人生大學而且正式在招生執行所以這個事辦計畫"},{"start":17277.253,"end":17294.488,"text":"目前進行狀況怎麼樣?可不可以請部長來跟大家講一下?是不是陳這一個師長?包委員,大概這示範計畫我們現在已經研擬了相對多一句接下來就會跟學校來做溝通預計年底就會來完成這個示範計畫明年會來對外說明,謝謝"},{"start":17299.119,"end":17311.992,"text":"明年1月份可以推動事辦,但是外面都不太了解,是不是教育部可以多多倡導一下?我們來倡導"},{"start":17316.027,"end":17329.714,"text":"那接下來就是說這個事辦之後是不是開放全國大專業校來廣泛的建立第三人生大學目前看原來的長城計劃有這一個"},{"start":17333.916,"end":17351.982,"text":"長期規劃我們事實上確實是這樣想法我一直認為我們大學能不能永續發展能不能發展出特色有許多的學校你真的不要再設想你的大一新生是18歲你不要再去搶18歲然後我們大學在30歲以後事實上我們"},{"start":17352.782,"end":17360.95,"text":"台灣現在目前的教育的一個現況人才培育的一個現況大部分都是大學畢業或者研究所畢業他們投入職場"},{"start":17362.567,"end":17390.32,"text":"當他重新回到大學他可能因為產業人這個能力上的需求可能因為生涯發展上的改變可能因為修器上的一些需要以大學現在的提供的這個課程跟施施的能量他事實上是可以更海納百川讓30歲以後的人不管他進來臨床整護或者進來休學我想許多的那個可能正是我們教育部目前內部在規劃的"},{"start":17391.88,"end":17417.688,"text":"這個就是我最後這個等於部長在我們各大學五菱盟主不是五菱盟主教壇盟主跟各大學校長做的承諾也就是說我們要來推動而且從明年第一季開始試辦而且接下來要鼓勵全國的大專院校來推動第三人生大學那大學會變得更精彩"},{"start":17418.588,"end":17430.073,"text":"會變得更充實善用高齡他們的智力開發他們的產能所以謝謝部長謝謝委員部長、次長等請回謝謝吳春城委員的質詢再來我們請羅志強委員質詢主席有請部長有請鄭部長"},{"start":17455.029,"end":17473.4,"text":"委員好部長好國立臺北科技大學打算要建一個環校步道它要想要讓學生還有周邊的民眾有一個運動休憩的空間如果落成了我有榮幸邀請部長去北科大環校跑一圈嗎"},{"start":17475.292,"end":17484.602,"text":"呃...我很想跑但是因為...確實我自己...呃...這一個...來你走路一圈也可以啦欸...那...那...也沒問題那...好...您答應了嘛...好...沒問題啊...但前提是他要蓋的成啦...是...他要蓋的成"},{"start":17489.413,"end":175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謝謝部長、署長、院長請回謝謝林月琴委員的質詢再來我們請羅廷偉委員質詢"},{"start":18325.712,"end":18342.982,"text":"好 謝謝昭偉 有請部長好 有請鄭部長順便有請幾位學校的校長喔臺大校長、成大校長中興大校長好 請校長移動一下齊藝科大校長臺中科大校長好 校長們請 辛苦了"},{"start":18344.141,"end":18373.624,"text":"好請校長先站一下喔不好意思喔委員好好部長好10月16日喔我有一個問題呢一個月前喔我有問這個部長啊詢問重啟學生啊我們的陸森來台的事情一個月過後我想先詢問一下這一個陸森來台的證件啊我想這個是賴清德總統當時有說的對吧是那您個人支持陸森來台嗎是當時我上任的時候事實上也對媒體有表達你支持欸好我們請台大的校長"},{"start":18375.083,"end":18387.074,"text":"校長您支持嗎委員好我支持謝謝好陳大校長我支持國家的政策好新大的校長謝謝委員好我們也支持好我們臺中科大委員好我們支持好我們請議謝謝"},{"start":18395.998,"end":18425.065,"text":"主持人好謝謝謝謝大家的表態因為這個關係我想再請問一下部長請問一下你的相關的回覆本席還沒有收到目前一個月過去了請問還要多久會給本席非常抱歉這一個看起來這一個是我們的一個疏漏我們分個月前你有答應我還記得嗎是還記得嗎還是你忘了真的太多事情我想我們業務單位這裡邊主管單位我們來你不要到時候真的當"},{"start":18425.985,"end":18430.669,"text":"體育部部長我還要去那邊找你昨天的執行我們看到這個臺灣隊這個贏了韓國真的非常興奮我們一起來努力重啟陸生是賴清德總統的一個政見在座各校校長"},{"start":18442.338,"end":18463.798,"text":"也都歡迎陸生所以我們是在幫賴清德總統爭取他的政見能夠落實那我想現行主要是透過陸聯會的機制開放陸生來台但因為兩岸關係的一個惡化陸方也對賴清德總統的一些言論不滿那都是兩岸政治的一個問題我們不談我們對於教育政策我們在乎的是教育以及學校的一個經營"},{"start":18465.299,"end":18489.137,"text":"非要透過陸聯會這唯一的管道嗎?教育部有沒有更積極的作為?這個部分有沒有其他限制性的一個法規一個方向來做思考?跟委員報告我們過去確實他的一個兩岸的一個學衛生他確實是透過陸聯會但是我們也主動在這個南台科大是我們的一個PO辦公室嘛那在整個主動聯絡裡邊確實對方都沒有回覆"},{"start":18493.12,"end":18512.674,"text":"所以我說一定要有其他的作為嗎?對不對?難道你要在這邊直接宣布賴總統的政見破功無法達成嗎?但是目前兩岸的這些各大學短期的一些交流,它事實上還是有的好,但是我們希望各個學校現在急迫為什麼需要入生,您應該最清楚吧?"},{"start":18513.783,"end":18531.277,"text":"因為掃紙化的關係而又招生不易的關係離共兩岸有更多的彼此的更希望教育的交流一個理解理解這個差異然後能夠彼此有一個更好的一個互動我想這是也是我們在人才培育上我想本席要提到的為什麼我們積極的在探討這個政見"},{"start":18532.278,"end":18554.83,"text":"一方面希望能夠落實一方面其實我們收到很多大學端學校有可能跟我們陳情關於所謂的陸聯會目前斷絕消息我們該有什麼樣的方式能夠讓陸生再來台我想很多學校都很期待我希望部長這個部分能夠積極的想辦法可以嗎我們來努力好謝謝我先請台大跟成大的校長先回座好不好"},{"start":18556.186,"end":18581.077,"text":"好謝謝喔那部長我另外再跟你請教一下喔部長本席一直在關心一間政府機構的公告辦理約聘人員的職缺案子喔想跟你請教一下喔該公告之徵才所需的條件資格阿內容寫著包含國內外醫藥民生生命科學等領域相關科系學士以上學歷等本席一直很好奇喔有聽過醫藥衛生或者是醫藥"},{"start":18582.778,"end":18606.132,"text":"衛生但就是沒有聽過醫藥、民生本席也於11月12日8時發文給教育部詢問但今天遇到部長我想說用問的比較快因為您本身也是承認中山大學的一個校長您有聽過中山大學自己本身也有醫學院、理學院、社科院海洋科學院等學院非常完整但是部長請問一下醫藥、民生"},{"start":18608.473,"end":18613.925,"text":"究竟表示具備何等領域的何等科系畢業之學士才符合公告的一個標準?"},{"start":18615.26,"end":18642.159,"text":"醫藥名聲醫藥基本上就是大概很清楚就是醫學相關跟藥醫藥很清楚名聲呢名聲呢名聲大概是比較是來自一個生活上的許多的包含生活科學等等的這些生活科學我覺得他的範疇有點廣法律序算不算名聲這要看怎麼聽民法算不算名聲"},{"start":18643.666,"end":18670.626,"text":"民法是經濟系算不算民生廣義的來講當然也可以買賣東西算不算民生所以我越講越覺得很奇怪喔如果部長醫藥民生民生就是民生學院畢業科系就算的話那同樣邏輯賴清德總統是醫學院的物理治療學系那麼他直接可以去考醫生了啊為什麼要去念學士後醫學系難道他是傻子嗎"},{"start":18671.94,"end":18691.567,"text":"我想對於現在的徵才我們一直在講衛福部也被我一直在糾正寫清楚說明白你們到底需要什麼樣的人才不要任何的模糊空間我們不希望透過這些模糊空間開放了一些模糊空間的人來能夠錄取這個部分我想我表達的夠清楚吧是"},{"start":18694.212,"end":18716.438,"text":"我本席沒有要特意要針對誰只是想請問科系要納入什麼樣的學院到底有沒有什麼標準不然社工系看起來也像社會科學系啊科學院呢對不對怎麼會納民生學院所以部長這很重要因為政府機關公告辦理的約聘用人員的一個職缺就以學院區分而不是科系屬性教育部如果沒有律定清楚人事會亂"},{"start":18718.365,"end":18739.314,"text":"我想在許多的徵才裡面當然他有一些主修或者專長上的概念但是大概有時候會有比較模糊的這個比較寬廣的一個定義上在人才的一個recruit的過程裡面我想他其實大概希望說如果有真的有跨領域的"},{"start":18740.575,"end":18745.418,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":18770.615,"end":18784.263,"text":"部長,部長沒有,我是要跟你講話部長,您知道我是什麼學校畢業的嗎?不好意思我中興大學畢業的,校友我也是勤益科大畢業的,台中科大沒考上"},{"start":18785.199,"end":18790.382,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管474年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機"},{"start":18804.707,"end":18827.862,"text":"中興大學想要爭取學士後護理系這沒有累過的啦都是我自己去調查了解的啦那我想這個AI生成室的一個實驗所以及校園食農教育的實踐基地以及我一直在跟你講老舊校舍的改善我想這個部分部長希望上述的計畫可以多多幫忙那後續勤益科大、台中科大"},{"start":18828.88,"end":18857.093,"text":"我也會持續來努力跟你追蹤但是要跟您報告一下因為我是本委啦齁那又是這三所有淵源是那我希望說部長能夠多幫我們照顧一下尤其現在我要跟你談討的就是學師後護理系剛剛陳昭之委員也有提到我們在早上也有開記者會為護理人員發聲護理人力已經吃緊了許多的醫院都關床中興大學有心要辦這個學師後護理系應該給予大力的一個支持可以認同嗎"},{"start":18858.473,"end":18887.273,"text":"我想確實我們現在在現場裡面第一線這個護理人員確實是有一些人力上的一些需求但是我們整個培育的過程目前所培育的等於說量是夠但是因為他留下來在醫療院所相關的一些工作的一個服務他真的是大概只剩下一半所以變成我們在人才培育的總體量"},{"start":18888.954,"end":18913.305,"text":"所以我們只好另外一種方法就是加大加多人數繼續培養更多的人嗎?好不好當然我知道現在就是培養歸培養投入職場歸投入職場那另外就是說在可能也要拜託這個中興大學在專業審查裡面所有他的proposal他也要有一套這你放心這個我們中興大學有品質的我們會處理好但是請你多照顧齁"},{"start":18914.205,"end":18933.895,"text":"但我想中興大學的農學院也很有名現任農業部長陳俊濟部長也都是中興寶寶從大學到博班都中興我想今天要盡一份心力校園實農教育的實踐基地也希望部裡能夠給予一個協助就我好像片面也了解好像是卓榮泰院長也是中興大學的"},{"start":18934.773,"end":18948.952,"text":"中興確實培養非常多的這個優秀人才對所以這個部分為台中我們最重要的幾位科大來發聲台中科大、新義科大、中興大學來為您拜託一下好嗎好我們請三位校長請回座謝謝"},{"start":18951.633,"end":18973.099,"text":"好那再來呢我想跟你探討部長去年年底新北市有發生這個校園割喉案教育部2月5日公告修正學校訂定教師輔導與管教學生的辦法注意事項就其中放寬了校安的檢查限制明確規範收書包原則及流程想和你探討看看部長請你看一下這張圖片"},{"start":18974.839,"end":18986.279,"text":"這是今年一到六月的校安通報以及去年同期關於暴力事件偏差行為所做的一個相關數量來做一個量化我們可以看到這些數量的一個比照"},{"start":18987.543,"end":19009.689,"text":"您先過目一下根據數據顯示從大學到國小暴力事件及偏差行為通報數量有顯著的增長而兒少事件通報也同樣增長甚至在幼兒園的數據也高於去年同期那當然我記得部長有曾經說過當然就是說我們把這個黑數給發掘也是其中之一我們讚賞"},{"start":19010.549,"end":19028.047,"text":"但是我們還是要從這一個數據裡面去做一個探討它的確是增長的一個狀況不管是不是有黑素的一個存在但是這樣子你覺得是否認同這反映出校園安全的問題有一點感覺到敏感度越來日漸嚴重您說呢"},{"start":19028.834,"end":19028.954,"text":"教育部長"},{"start":19049.94,"end":19068.148,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":19068.148,"end":19094.311,"text":"另外還有一個數據請你看看現行的校安通報的事件類表屬性及名稱的一覽表其實在這裡面其實也並沒有明確規定收出違禁品必須通報這些數據的上升不是統計的一個偏差而是具體事件的一個反應我想這些問題我們都希望點出校園的安全我們都重視我相信你也重視但是問題就是它逐漸的嚴重我們該怎麼去做防範"},{"start":19096.092,"end":19104.279,"text":"本席提出兩點建議因為時間有限簡化校安檢查的一個流程我希望這個部分你們能夠重視,您覺得呢?"},{"start":19105.528,"end":19132.097,"text":"當然那目前我們有看到還有一個問題就是加強教師的一個培訓建議教育部加強對教師的一個校安處理能力的一個培訓能夠有更多的資源明確的指導確保教師在面對校園突發狀況的時候有足夠的權限以及專業的知識我想這兩個點希望你能夠帶回去做建議確實老師的真能怎麼樣讓他能夠協助這個學校的校安"},{"start":19133.217,"end":19156.897,"text":"有一個更好的友善環境這事實上是我們一直在努力當然做得不夠我們再來看我們一起加油但是看到這些暴力事件的數量增加都感到非常的沉重我是三個孩子的爸爸這些數字的背後都是一個又一個受到傷害的學生這些孩子都是每一個家長的寶貝希望教育部能夠重視這些問題我們一起給孩子更好的未來好嗎這應該這也是我們的責任好謝謝"},{"start":19160.233,"end":19163.335,"text":"謝謝羅庭薇委員的質詢再來我們請伍麗華委員質詢謝謝主席有請部長有請鄭部長"},{"start":19193.925,"end":19194.185,"text":"委員會議員委員會議員"},{"start":19213.246,"end":19226.913,"text":"護導原住民學生的生活學業促進校園的友善所以鼓勵設置原住民族學生資源中心我們都說那個叫做原資中心那麼開設以來呢其實從一開始"},{"start":19229.434,"end":19254.382,"text":"只有原民會提供的開辦費30萬後來教育部很用心在我們多方的質詢跟要求關心之下在109年有增加了專任人力一名那個時候是45萬到了112年更好了每增加200名原民學生再增加一個專任人力這時候是一名50萬"},{"start":19256.282,"end":19283.309,"text":"現在又又更好了因為明年每增加100名的原民學生會再可以增加一名專任人力而且提高到65萬那為什麼我要這樣子問其實這幾年我們常常可以接到很多關於大學原資中心的陳情有一點點違背他原來的設立目的因為是為了要促進"},{"start":19284.469,"end":19298.884,"text":"委員會主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主管194年度教育部主"},{"start":19299.525,"end":19322.275,"text":"一百九十五名的專任人力有百分之六十五他的薪資拿到的是在三萬六以下我們來細看因為我想要所資但是教育部告訴我沒有做這方面的資料所以助理自己一間一間去問以中區的九間學校調查我們可以看到"},{"start":19323.228,"end":19343.891,"text":"有一個領31K的他還要負責原專班的所有事務有一個領29K的他還要做僑生的相關業務以及課外組的交辦事項有一個是碩士他領35K他還要去做園民會的計畫的一些申請"},{"start":19344.932,"end":19351.561,"text":"教育部主管47、審查114年度教育部主管47、審查114年度教育部主管47、審查114年度教育部主管47、審查114年度教育部主管47、審查114年度教育部主管47、審查114年度"},{"start":19361.255,"end":19374.479,"text":"另外他們的業務很繁雜即便申請能力達標我們有問學校為什麼不願意徵聘因為他說我們不確定到底教育部會不會核定給我所以他們也不敢來徵聘來編列"},{"start":19376.34,"end":19376.74,"text":"教育部所屬機教育部所屬機"},{"start":19392.828,"end":19411.057,"text":"我知道我們的原資中心有分全國四區那區的原資中心他到底扮演什麼角色可以協助教育部我想這個部分可能我們還要再來精進所以我希望呢一週內可以來辦公室跟我一起來演商感效的方案部長可以嗎"},{"start":19413.718,"end":19422.122,"text":"謝謝委員關心我們原住民學生的一些發展跟受教的潛力我們希望一次次的檢討可以邁向更好我們教育部都會積極地按照規定來補助"},{"start":19429.585,"end":19446.361,"text":"好 謝謝部長勇於認識 見急履急那麼我第二個部分我也要談的就是失陪的部分我們都在抱怨教育部這個我們的這個看不見的民族教育開缺還有好辛苦的原住民公費生為什麼"},{"start":19447.802,"end":19468.017,"text":"因為教育部112到114我們有一個叫做原住民族教育去做完備師資培育跟聘用但是部長我跟您說從108推動以來已經出現了第一批的畢業生而且有兩位他是通過了高級認證但是有什麼用沒有缺"},{"start":19468.797,"end":19493.119,"text":"然後呢這些原住民公費生很難他除了跟一般的學校一樣他要通過教檢他的學科能力要精熟他也要有英語能力的測驗通過他必須要通過足語中高級而且他要加修12學分的民族教育次專長所以部長你有沒有聽過原住民公費生他其實折損率很高啊"},{"start":19493.86,"end":19498.183,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":19515.233,"end":19529.738,"text":"理念規定的原住民的失資源額沒有辦法能夠通過法定的比率所以108年的時候有大修過那大修他說10年後要達成的目標我先跟部長講目前看起來也是達不到為什麼"},{"start":19531.258,"end":19552.38,"text":"如果我們的原住民及師資換算出來應該要有1800位但是我們目前只有900多位還缺800多位那目前呢我們的師培公費生如果全部順利畢業有330位還是大大的短缺更何況是這些國高中他要分科來聘更加的困難"},{"start":19553.101,"end":19577.5,"text":"所以這些主語專任教師也根本找不到缺還要涉及到縣市開缺所以我想這個部分因為時間的關係我們不能夠讓這些原住民的師資生他有什麼未來可以相信他好難畢業他畢了業找不到缺所以我覺得這個部分我們要好好的來檢討所以部長我是希望說也可以一併的來辦公室我們來討論好不好"},{"start":19578.641,"end":19578.781,"text":"主席"},{"start":19595.55,"end":19621.037,"text":"嚴柱銘議員是不是只有在校生的一個培育方式還是用線上用許多的方式其他的方式包含那個標準我們是我也已經我們這個責成我們這一個業務單位也排好這一個跟嚴明會主委能夠有一個面對面的一個希望對嚴柱銘的一個教育在這邊能夠有一個更精進的一些作法"},{"start":19621.417,"end":19632.505,"text":"部長您已經有看到所以我希望能夠好好的坐下來談把這些問題改善那最後給我30秒我30秒我請台大校長10秒鐘台大校長請陳文章校長10秒10秒我就講一句話一句話回答好嗎校長您好您認得照片上這些人嗎"},{"start":19650.464,"end":19654.669,"text":"不認得,但是看過照片,謝謝好,我跟您說這張照片"},{"start":19655.931,"end":19683.152,"text":"恰恰是去年的今天滿一週年那我今天終於在質詢台上看到您了但是他們也很想看到您那我想這個部分山水有相逢那他們都很期待跟您後會有期是不是可以一週內到我的辦公室可以啦那事後跟委員口頭或書面說明好嗎我是希望到本席辦公室我們可以準備書面說明跟委員報告謝謝"},{"start":19683.812,"end":19688.993,"text":"請到本席的辦公室時間到了時間到了好謝謝部長部長請回校長謝謝主席謝謝吳麗華委員的質詢再來我們請葉元芝委員質詢有請鄭部長"},{"start":19717.054,"end":19736.067,"text":"部長好,剛剛有看到台大校長有呼籲說我們要增加高教經費本席也是非常支持那看到部長講說明年會高教增加59億那高教升更增加20億那我是建議啦,看看那個有關於大學社會責任實踐計畫能不能也增加預算"},{"start":19736.687,"end":19761.354,"text":"因為我覺得這樣的一個計畫其實對於減少學用落差是很有幫助的實際上配合高齡社會的來臨有些學校如果跟社區結合辦一些活躍老化的計畫其實不僅是可以讓學生學以致用更可以讓我們社區得到學校的協助因為畢竟大學的主要存在任務除了教學研究之外還有社區服務嘛那部長願意朝這個方向嗎"},{"start":19762.472,"end":19783.033,"text":"教育部主管114年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部主管117年度教育部"},{"start":19784.073,"end":19784.193,"text":"農業部總會講這樣的話"},{"start":19814.953,"end":19843.26,"text":"實際上是保酒爐不夠嘛他當初發包的時候來投標廠商能夠供給的量就只有六成所以我們新北市現在還少大概60萬瓶那你當務之急你應該要補足這個量啊怎麼會對外說我就不勉強學校喝了還有這樣子喔那你當初你農業部教育部就不要宣傳班班有鮮奶嘛我已經講過了啊不要好像口號喊得很高直接當做不到你就喊說兩班喝一瓶鮮奶就好了嘛"},{"start":19845.165,"end":19861.726,"text":"因為部長你願意,不是你去跟農業部溝通一下,因為現在很多家長在等啊,想說不是想說一個學期有44瓶,一個禮拜2瓶嗎?然後現在因為沒量,所以說我就不勉強你們喝了,不是不勉強人家喝,是人家喝不到啊,部長你有瞭解這個狀況嗎?"},{"start":19864.614,"end":19892.547,"text":"跟委員報告確實這個農業部在這個月底他會有一個你跟農業部講說請他趕快再找廠商來投標是你不是說因為不夠了講這種話都欺騙大家家長都生氣了我想應該農業部他就是農業部就這樣講的嘛農業部不會欺騙但是就是欺騙啦這一個廠商在整個供給量我跟你講慢慢有先男一團亂農業部當初這樣隨便喊出來"},{"start":19893.711,"end":19909.665,"text":"教育部跟教育單位在那邊收爛攤子我還有聽說有老師叫家長帶一個麻布袋來說一次把44瓶奶領回家還有看到那包酒奶拿回家不是小朋友在喝是家長在喝都有啦"},{"start":19910.385,"end":19922.604,"text":"但是你當初喊這個口號你就要達成你不能說對不起我做不到我就不勉強你得了便宜還賣乖喔做不到還把事情把責任推給家長喔都是不好意思都是我勉強你們喝我現在不勉強你了這是什麼態度啊部長"},{"start":19927.309,"end":19935.712,"text":"政策是良善希望能夠對付的能不能跟農業部長溝通一下可不可以你去找他講叫他不要隨便講這種話家長都生氣了第三個議題"},{"start":19945.555,"end":19969.042,"text":"那個有關於代理老師職前研資的計算因為大法官已經說違憲了嘛憲法法庭已經代理老師已經勝訴了但是這個事情已經隔了很久了已經非常久了那有很多代理老師在問我啊說說那現在進度怎麼樣實際上縣市政府還是並沒有把他的職前研資納入計算啊現在教育部的進度如何"},{"start":19972.028,"end":19993.708,"text":"確實這個有關代理老師的這些年資的計算我們現在地方政府也正在激起的這個不是地方政府啦教育部你現在怎麼做嘛我想這裡邊有許多的這個老師的一個聘用是來自於地方的沒有沒有沒有你現在大法官是說請教育部在一年內修法嘛對吧你有看他的那個訴訟的主文嗎有嗎"},{"start":19995.389,"end":20020.664,"text":"修法是因為包含緣何事在地方。第二個就是說當然泰里老師是地方單位在沒錯啊問題是你是中央主管機關啊你要有個態度你要找大家來溝通啊你現在進度怎麼樣嗎是不是能夠詳細請這個彭署長是謝謝委員就如您最後一句話我們很快會召集地方政府在12月中在11月底12月中之間一定會召集11月底12月中會召集所以還沒召集喔"},{"start":20021.164,"end":20041.046,"text":"我們已經做過幕僚作業了現在是要正式會議你們不是民進黨最尊重大法官嗎?怎麼大法官做決議都好像慢半拍沒有最尊重法律所以大概已經在尊重那請問一下部長有沒有算過各縣市甚至全國如果把代理教師的職前年資納入計算的話要增加多少支出有計算過嗎?"},{"start":20044.315,"end":20057.446,"text":"你知道為什麼會增加支出嗎?因為你如果把這些年資納入計算的話有時候他累積到一定的年限他要跳級嘛所以他薪酬會變高嘛那所以要增加支出嘛你有算過總共需要多少錢嗎?有算過嗎?"},{"start":20059.155,"end":20079.369,"text":"各位報告因為它會涉及到每一年老師禁用就是剛才那個維銘所提的我都知道這些我都知道了我問你有沒有計算過因為是八月份的事情當年度禁用的大概四到六億間四到六億間四億到六億間對不對確定喔我跟你講新北市"},{"start":20086.291,"end":20103.275,"text":"如果要把帶給教師的職錢年資記錄的話一年要兩億元啊一年要兩億啊我不知道你這四到六億是金錢因為我沒有去全國調查但西北市是兩億那這個其實對地方財政是一個很也是一個很大的負擔嘛那現在民進黨也不願意修財化法嘛"},{"start":20104.522,"end":20127.805,"text":"所以我是希望教育部第一個你可以考慮這筆預算應該是中央來編列去補助地方因為上一次代理教師本來是薪水是算10個月後來算到一年的時候中央只有補助第一年的一半所以後來每一年地方政府都要自己去自籌這個財源其實真的對於地方政府的財源也是造成負擔"},{"start":20129.859,"end":20138.338,"text":"教育部是可以補助地方嗎?例如說新北市2億,剛剛署長講說全國是4到6億那教育部有考慮要補助嗎?"},{"start":20139.978,"end":20166.635,"text":"跟我們報告確實這個教師的顏額是由地方來控管那我們在地方不是吧你那個時候你代理教師的你說從薪資從10個月到12個月當時教育部就有補助嘛只是我們當然覺得不夠你只有補助一年第一年的一半而已嘛那現在就問你說之前年資紀錄這全國4到6億那當然希望教育部可以編列預算來補助地方政府嘛因為財務法你也不讓他過啊"},{"start":20167.731,"end":20188.457,"text":"委員剛剛所提到大禮老師全年研資那個第一年因為之前研資啊剛剛您提到的那個第一次有補全月的全月全年的那個是因為第一年還沒編所以我們就補第二年以後從那裏一般性補助接著回到這個案子這個案子因為是有緣額如果非屬他們緣額是屬於計劃性的我們歷來都會有分工"},{"start":20189.197,"end":20195.221,"text":"原額本來就有正式原額的經費,本來就可以支援與代理老師的所有費用,至於屬於計畫性教育部補助的部分,我們會來處理"},{"start":20206.717,"end":20235.565,"text":"你就針對我的問題回答不要繞圈圈啦所以剛剛跟委員報告的是增加的4到6億這教育部有沒有要編預算就是補助地方政府還是說叫地方政府自籌裁員就這麼簡單的問題不要繞圈圈所以簡單的回答就是說屬於他的原額的部分他自己有經費非屬他原額屬於外加計劃性由中央補助的部分你會計劃性的你會給然後一般的但問題是你4到6億裡面多少是計劃性原額多少是一般性原額這個是會不會跟"},{"start":20235.965,"end":20260.214,"text":"委員再切清楚跟您說明我是覺得你第一年起碼你要補助人家啦好不好你研議一下好不好各位委員報告因為當時您寄到的那個12個月的另一個是當年度決定所以有半年的經費他們沒有所以來協助這個事情在憲法法庭確定之後馬上給人家去給啦所以小編114的時候地方政府已經要準備了因為教育部是最高的教育單位啦"},{"start":20261.072,"end":20280.81,"text":"那這部分我覺得你對老師好一點雖然是地方政府負責的但你對老師好一點我覺得對全國教育都有幫助啦好不好不要分那麼清楚啦你演繹一下你演繹一下然後再來跟那個我剛剛那個問題再請教一下所以什麼時候代理老師可以領到可以把他的職前年資納入基金最快什麼時候"},{"start":20281.633,"end":20307.261,"text":"按照憲法法庭的要求就是114學年114學年對,它是一年嘛對,114,最快114學年就可以納入最慢最慢,那最快勒?這個跟地方政府在一起在研究但是最慢一定在憲法法庭要求的一年內一定要處理完齁,那是憲法法庭嘛我如果你說你站在教育機關你的態度嘛不要跟我繞圈圈啦一個目標啦,最快多少?"},{"start":20308.402,"end":20332.724,"text":"人家現在都在等了嘛剛剛會涉及到有一些還要會商的因素我今天如果沒有問的話我們都不知道你有找地方來會商啊所以12月中以前8月份的時候那個道法官的判決出來了你到現在你到11月底才要去找人家那你就慢慢拖就好了嘛已經諮詢過了現在就是正式的會議所以什麼時候12月中以前我最快好累喔最快什麼時候"},{"start":20334.165,"end":20348.102,"text":"最快這個可能還要跟地方政府一起會商,尊重他們尊重地方政府,你沒有目標就對了最慢一定在114年我當然知道啊,不然你就違憲了嘛我先講是最快了,謝謝部長再請教一下,我來問一個體育的問題"},{"start":20352.304,"end":20373.432,"text":"我們有一個足球的六年的計劃嘛當初六年計劃編列多少?43億嘛是不是?是是嗎?是43億然後當 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