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目標三個月搞定可以嗎我們希望能夠另外其實大家對加拿大的擔心是因為裡面可以放大麻的萃取物一堆什麼之類的有獨架什麼之類的你在這裡是不是可以承諾"},{"start":451.378,"end":458.063,"text":"衛福部站在保障國人的健康大麻絕對不可老化可以嗎"},{"start":460.133,"end":483.09,"text":"大麻到目前為止也是未來也都不會有開放的這種絕對不會因為法務部的次長公開承諾大麻絕對不合法法務部也不同意開放法務部就不開放大麻大麻在台灣這個地方不可以合法電子煙"},{"start":486.718,"end":508.063,"text":"也是不能喝嘛 是不是是的好 這兩個好 第二個問題我想請教這個AIT不僅僅關心我們的什麼急救保啦還關心我們的血袋不夠啊說我們的血袋啊 裝血那個袋子啊那有什麼了不起台灣沒有做 都是靠進口的部長 你在說什麼為什麼"},{"start":510.303,"end":530.158,"text":"為什麼這個血袋你自己拿著做啊?你要怎麼做?我想賴昭偉是算醫療中的很了解醫療的委員啦齁我說實在我也不清楚為什麼當時為什麼血袋都不能做?可能因為他透視的技術或者是說做這個是過去怎麼樣目前我們要做的就是血袋我們要國產"},{"start":539.878,"end":552.164,"text":"這是在做的方向,是不是我們那個食藥署食藥署來,食藥署署長副署長賴委員報告,目前雪袋的部分已經有一家國產業者在上個月底跟我們申請產業登記什麼時候可以開始生產"},{"start":553.78,"end":577.668,"text":"我們儘速審查 因為之前我們已經有跟他做過相關的 順利的話順利的話應該下半年就可以拿到許可證就可以開始有產品出來供應國內醫療院所使用這個實在丟臉啦 我們現在等於是台灣雲霧要快打上的樣子 然後都是AIT給我們指指點點我們的這個醫療準備 他說我們的這個急難包也是他來給我們講"},{"start":580.069,"end":591.696,"text":"請問你,如果打仗,血漿夠不夠?部長,血漿夠不夠?血漿夠不夠?當然,血漿方面我們會不會,如果是全血就不敢講,血漿我們已經儲備了相當的一個量多長?血漿多少?"},{"start":605.472,"end":614.277,"text":"我們把這個數字了解以後再報給委員會相關的消煙料呢主要打仗用的最常用的當然是止痛藥消煙料這個"},{"start":617.996,"end":636.169,"text":"我相信這個我們衛福部有一個韌性的計畫因為這個是有他就要有一個重要的韌性的我們醫事室報告一下好不好醫事室下面的人拜託像周偉報告我們對於這個戰略的本來就有準備十萬人份的外傷的相關的藥品這個是過往就已經準備了有沒有規劃地下醫院"},{"start":649.42,"end":667.034,"text":"這個部分也跟周委做一個報告事實上這個我們也在準備我們現在的公立醫院如果有新建的這個建築物我們都要求在地下應該要有準備這個醫療的空間所以只要有新蓋的都要要求地下化是不是我們現在的公立醫院我們都有要求"},{"start":667.614,"end":694.713,"text":"好 最後一個 來部長 大家很關心的題目中融第一季斷頭3億 第二季斷頭5億外務部規定每一季不可以比去年多因為你們為了要那個點數好看北農6月初已經達到了同去年同一季的100%之後啊 這都是做功德啦"},{"start":695.686,"end":713.784,"text":"事實上對醫務人員就是減薪啊這個事情啊這個部長啊 你是表面好看 哇0.9 0.95對賴總統有交代 可是對醫務人員變相都減薪耶現在總統沒錢總統就最好的例子 不用也是啊"},{"start":714.898,"end":723.103,"text":"只要跟稍微簡單報告 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