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謝謝好 那個柯政委員說用麥克風"},{"start":2635.382,"end":2662.444,"text":"不好意思這樣講反而更confused105年到現在也不過才幾年的時間然後超過一千萬以上馬上要報廢然後你反而引起我們的好奇就一千萬以上的儀器然後使用率不是那麼樣它是因為太舊還是因為什麼樣的方式因為有更新的儀器而且它已經舊了有更新更好的技術出來了那這一台我有去看它是在我們的核心設施核心設施有更好的儀器真的"},{"start":2663.174,"end":2688.366,"text":"那你終於以後買一期我們是不是要合理的懷疑在七年八年不到的時間一千萬的部分再有更新的部分那這個地方馬上就不能夠使用這樣是不是讓我們來說的話是不是對於這個預算上面來說反而是更需要被嚴格的監督的因為馬上就被replace了嘛對不對馬上就被replace而且一千萬以上的一期馬上就被replace不到十年時間被replace這個東西對我們來說這個效益上反而是更應該被"},{"start":2689.934,"end":2713.477,"text":"我們有很多先進的儀器事實上是每兩三年就有更新。我可以補充一下嗎?好,那個萬美玲委員先補充,待會副院長再發言。我想其實剛剛這個在說明前的時候我就想要再提一點就是說現在我們看到這個使用率低那我們就在想怎麼樣去突破低這件事情比如說廣泛的讓大家來使用"},{"start":2713.797,"end":2728.814,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":2728.894,"end":2728.974,"text":"陳秀寶委員要發言"},{"start":2753.402,"end":2754.103,"text":"葛如君委員要發言"},{"start":2774.067,"end":2800.183,"text":"我們都知道台積電為什麼有這麼強大的領先能力是因為他們早期就碰下決心去預購未來的系統跟設備那如果我們每一年在購買設備的時候都是購買當年的設備而不是預購下一個世代的設備很可能就會有這個問題等到你買了預算編列買完拿到了其實新的設備已經出來了所以才會有這種研究人員可能會覺得你這個已經"},{"start":2800.763,"end":2800.783,"text":"好。"},{"start":2829.468,"end":2858.56,"text":"這個我也幫中研講一下話我跟中研工作過他們連一部電腦都管制得非常嚴格我當年換工作到台大的時候因為還沒有到那個是6年還怎麼報廢期大概我用了4年我想說這是我個人電腦嘛還簽了一個借據跟中研院社會所借據我才能帶走因為過兩年就要報銷了所以其實他們連桌椅設備都管控得嚴格因為我們現在看的是總體你知道嗎那副院長是不是說明一下"},{"start":2860.685,"end":2887.962,"text":"副院長周美銀剛剛非常謝謝各位委員的提出的這些意見那我跟各位委員稍微簡單報告一下那什麼時候報費每一個儀器都有它的使用期限買來的時候就定在規定在上面對那我們絕對不會在那個之前那一定在那之後然後還撐了一陣子以後那如果說它的量測的那個data"},{"start":2888.622,"end":2888.743,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":2903.464,"end":2903.504,"text":"議員：一、繼續審查"},{"start":2926.863,"end":2943.372,"text":"在實現到以後就會報廢。關於使用率的問題因為研究性的這個儀器可能它在某一個那個整個研究過程中在某一個階段它要來做這些測量"},{"start":2949.774,"end":2961.839,"text":"議員提到說使用率不是完全的一個看它的這個就是說是不是用到這個機器的要看我們的研究成果因為看使用率其實很不太"},{"start":2963.019,"end":2984.457,"text":"奇怪,像我們的投影機使用率是非常高可是冷氣機如果你看它的使用率它是必要的它使用率不是那麼高因為每年在某段時間我們不需要那研究上也有這樣子的情形我們在某個階段會需要用某個機器做這些那個那每個階段一步一步下來它有不同的機器"},{"start":2985.157,"end":2985.317,"text":"陳秀寶委員可以用麥克風"},{"start":2998.643,"end":3028.131,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":3029.232,"end":3053.407,"text":"不好意思,我最後還是要發言,對不起副院長你的回應實在是讓我更confused你不能拿我們這種千萬以上的儀器來跟這個投影機跟這個冷氣機來做對比這個每一筆都是我們立法委員認為中研院非常有必要的我剛剛看了這個01級委員裡面三台未達10%,一台沒有使用我可不可以問一下這一台沒有使用大概是耗費多少?千萬以上是多少錢?"},{"start":3054.668,"end":3055.549,"text":"一千一百萬左右"},{"start":3070.583,"end":3097.764,"text":"那是很就是舊代的新聞他不是買了都沒用對不起可能我剛剛沒有這是去年的使用率因為有新一代的前面大概每年如果我可以提供委員從買來一直到他被淘汰我不能說淘汰就有新的取代他之前的使用率對不起8年嗎還是105年到現在嗎對這個有時候我必須要講我們這些儀器有時候像軍備的競賽"},{"start":3101.331,"end":3122.121,"text":"有新的有更好的技術出來的時候我們我要說的就是如果我們沒有跟上我們沒有這種儀器可以做我們就會跟不上別人的那個說明大概已經差不多委員都了解了那是不是這個部分如果沒有委員要發言的話因為剛剛柯正委員是說凍結100萬那林議員已經改組決議了我們是不是整個統統100萬這整個部分那個萬美玲委員是不是OK"},{"start":3133.468,"end":3160.504,"text":"他不是說做軍備競賽啦他舉例啦這個可能下次不要用軍備舉例啦大家覺得比較敏感就是輸人不輸器材嘛這個意思誰是這個動100萬所以這邊柯真委員這個是設備及投資這邊動100萬我們是算整個統統還是這一齊就是這個設備我們討論都整個一起整個統統100萬好不好"},{"start":3163.613,"end":3181,"text":"萬美玲委員OK嗎?我原則上我同意但是我想可不可以啊剛才本席有提了一個就是說我們要去訂定一個啦有沒有辦法很細的這個細則出來但至少要有一個訂定一個不管是像剛才葛如君委員說的我們比較遠的計畫應該要買什麼或進程的我們什麼該買不該買我覺得我們要訂定一個計畫出來"},{"start":3186.442,"end":3207.466,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":3209.322,"end":3221.432,"text":"剛剛那個議事員釐清一下,我們是二到七統統一百萬,那因為第一項是整個中央研究院改組決議是不是,外邁林可以改組決議第一項,那我們是不是就第一項改組決議,林議員改組決議,然後二到七這個統統一百萬,好嗎?"},{"start":3227.017,"end":3229.72,"text":"第1目一般行政第14案第8案到第14案有沒有哪位委員發言陳秀寶委員先然後再柯志恩委員"},{"start":3243.318,"end":3260.944,"text":"謝謝主席我這邊提的案子是第10案那我提的凍結數是500萬這個部分是我們一般行政向下人員維持的部分一邊列預算有3億300多萬那是包含我們中研院人員的維持及基本行政的工作維持相關的經費"},{"start":3263.706,"end":3277.222,"text":"中央研究院有來說明這個部分人事費是何時編列但是這個真的有一些這個薪資結構是不合理我還是要提一下一般行政的業務御用人員是43人"},{"start":3279.404,"end":3284.63,"text":"在一般學術研究及評議的業務費用,業用人員是707人,勞務承攬是104人。在研究計畫裡面,業用人員是2989人,勞務承攬是462人。"},{"start":3295.722,"end":3323.97,"text":"而且還有一點我發現說你們的超時加班以及未休假獎金非常的高所以在你們整個的這個工作的這個時數或者說我們在這個有沒有讓我們的員工有沒有讓我們的相關的這些人員感覺到說在工作上的這個壓力或者這個時數你們有這樣子的工作時數你們編列這樣的薪資我不是有意見我意思就是說為什麼會這麼多是不是我們在整個的"},{"start":3324.77,"end":3337.858,"text":"議員．﹖"},{"start":3338.662,"end":3366.757,"text":"我們這個這個約聘僱的人員30人他們的這個薪資有2000多萬那工讀生兩人呢跟這個就有1000多1000萬所以這個部分是不是我們本身的這個薪資結構這樣是不是合理的我想請你們是不是可以等一下說明一下好那個柯之恩然後待會羅廷偉然後再來那個吳佩奕"},{"start":3368.069,"end":3371.675,"text":"第9、11案中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":3380.942,"end":3400.36,"text":"那114年你又比112年又多變了3043萬所以呢從前年的決算來看明年似乎也不需要這麼樣多的錢了所以就看你比前後比對那後來當然有周圓圓的同仁過來溝通啊那我們當然也考量到部分經費涉及到人事的薪資我想你知道我們是最不想動人事薪資的"},{"start":3401.101,"end":3414.933,"text":"因為我想大家都非常的辛苦所以我覺得這個第9案我可以把它改成組決議這個沒有問題但第11案我還是要特別講一下因為你是有關於基本的行政工作的維持那我們知道綜藝院每年都會編預算來辦理你們區總變電站還有區變電站的這個高壓設備的公共設施嘛這不是問題嘛 對不對綜藝院每年都有那我也知道各機關現在都喜歡來拼這個節電"},{"start":3426.423,"end":3453.017,"text":"然後總統呢我也不曉得在國家氣候變遷委員會的時候大家應該都還記得吧他把中研院納入第一階段公部門的節電目標不曉得你們做得太好還是做得不好就被總統給點名然後中研院雖然有解釋他們在節電你們雖然也解釋做了很多的一個努力但是會議上有人建議中研院要來帶頭做我不曉得是誰要害你們真的沒有不曉得哪個單位要看中研院不順眼你看立法院都對你們這麼好就叫你們要來帶頭來做"},{"start":3454.398,"end":3471.264,"text":"那既然你們已經變為各單位的一個標竿各位各單位的標竿那我就還是需要凍結一下希望你們提供具體且有效的節電措施那我本來是凍結500我現在把它縮短把它改凍結凍結100萬可不可以因為你們還50萬我的助理為什麼把你要500萬變成50萬這個我要問一下你們這個人太會講話了好啦50萬的這個部分因為你們還是要提出一個說明好不好"},{"start":3487.289,"end":3495.705,"text":"剛剛第9案改成主決議,第11案改成凍結50萬,那我們是不是再來是羅廷薇委員發言,等一下吳佩穎"},{"start":3498.193,"end":3522.973,"text":"謝謝昭偉我想這個我是第八案齁那目前我這邊是凍結一百萬或者是三列一百萬那我想這個我們發現啦這個違反多起的那個勞動相關法規的事情啦好那我希望說眾議院呢在對這個部分應該要給予一個解釋齁對於勞動法規極為不熟悉我想要了解幾個事項"},{"start":3524.776,"end":3527.131,"text":"中央研究院的勞工跟公務人員的比例是多少?"},{"start":3528.286,"end":3556.186,"text":"這個部分我希望能夠待會回答我一下然後勞動權益高漲為什麼會違反勞動勞權我覺得這個是很嚴重的一個事情那這個部分我們非常的嚴重看待所以我希望中央院這個部分待會能夠說明那這幾年有沒有違反勞動法規裁罰的金額有沒有記錄這些相關的一些裁罰金額跟記錄是不是可以提供資料給我們那我個人認為人事制在這個部分呢督導不周"},{"start":3557.106,"end":3580.94,"text":"所以這個我希望院長這個能夠嚴正的開單這件事情所以我在這邊提出第8案謝謝好謝謝羅廷偉委員再來吳佩儀委員發言下一個萬美玲我的提案是第14案那這一案的這個年度預算是3960萬9千元那我提出是希望凍結數我本來是寫20萬但是我助理改成10萬"},{"start":3582.2,"end":3608.284,"text":"那這一案其實是鼓勵性質因為院長知道我一直在質詢的時候就很關注我們的研發能量要提升這個計畫其中有培育人才、後職研究人力那因為我看你們過去五年今年以前過去五年的人數是有下降的但確實我看了你們今年的表現這個博士後跟碩博士生人數都有增加那我主要我有意見的部分是"},{"start":3608.644,"end":3631.506,"text":"您們明年的目標只算有提升提升到270人但我覺得這太保守了因為你今年後來博士後來有申請有287人所以我其實是希望說這個計畫我們未來你要再去把它擴大然後去把它預算再去做調整所以我是鼓勵性質啦是凍結10萬那我也希望跟主席建議因為我看有"},{"start":3631.866,"end":3634.447,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":3660.219,"end":3660.379,"text":"議員８立法院議員"},{"start":3684.162,"end":3705.612,"text":"但是呢本辦在看這個預算的時候我們看到在20案的地方其實他也是有一個宿舍的這個費用而且那個宿舍是不是好像還高達了3000萬左右所以我在想如果前面有宿舍後面有宿舍至少有重複編列那所以當然我覺得前面就是我提案就是先凍結10%等到看中央院來做一個說明"},{"start":3707.813,"end":3736.519,"text":"謝謝萬美林委員那這一幕還有沒有人要發言的那沒有的話我也講一下我的第13案那這個是關於就是眾議院我們發現眾議院目前的倫理規約跟性騷擾的處理流程裡面有一個漏洞就是關於那個權勢性騷擾到底是適用倫理規範還是適用你們的性騷擾防治措施跟申訴懲處的處理要點那希望你們可以進一步釐清那還有"},{"start":3737.399,"end":3759.552,"text":"相關的委員會應該要有一定的性別比例,達三分之一。已經跟你們溝通過,你們表達就是會在明年1月31日前提出書面報告,所以這個我可以改成主決議。以上說明。那我們是不是就請眾議院針對這個第一幕大家的要求回應一下。"},{"start":3764.264,"end":3783.518,"text":"委員好,我是人事室主任周佩芳。那就剛剛的幾個問題先跟各位委員說明。首先是我們中研院的人事費,尤其是一般行政裡面的人員維持費的部分,這個部分主要是運本部的"},{"start":3784.699,"end":3810.239,"text":"而編制內人員的人事費用那剛剛委員有提到說為什麼往年還有節餘那今年有特別多那主要原因是因為我們今年成立了南院服務處所以我們向行政院請證了多了12個元額所以今年會增加那我們在編列人事費的時候向來都是核實編列"},{"start":3810.919,"end":3834.856,"text":"那今年增加是因為增加了這12個元額所以人事費的部分會增加那過去因為人事費有時候會有一些進進出出那我們盡量就是算得盡量精準那有時候往年就會就是在人員進進出出的情況下有時候"},{"start":3835.777,"end":3851.725,"text":"以往年度就會稍微有一點點節育那因為人事費是沒有辦法留用的但我們還是會盡量精準的計算何時來編列那有關委員關注說我們加班費對於員工的"},{"start":3853.813,"end":3876.93,"text":"壓力公時是不是有特別就是有沒有關注到員工的工作壓力的部分剛剛委員提到我們的加班費編列是不是有特別多的部分那我跟委員報告這個部分其實沒有像委員在提案裡面提到的這個部分加班費我們去計算這個部分"},{"start":3877.29,"end":3902.722,"text":"因為他還要計算那個未休假加班費然後在扣掉之後平均一個人每個月的加班費大概是2000多那一個月頂多就是幾個小時到10個小時左右那相就是以各機關的狀況來講這個部分其實應該是不算太多那工讀生兩個人我們是編列一"},{"start":3904.086,"end":3929.177,"text":"一百萬左右那一百萬扣掉那個勞健保啊或是年終工作獎金那些有的沒有的那剩下來平均一個人大概是三萬塊左右三萬塊現在基本工資也已經將近三萬塊了所以這個部分也應該也算是核實編列那這個部分應該都是大家可以接受的範圍之內"},{"start":3932.878,"end":3951.405,"text":"嗯那另一個問題是那個羅委員提到的我們違反勞動法規的部分那我跟委員報告我們的公務人員編制內公務人員大概有全院大概是有"},{"start":3952.305,"end":3966.381,"text":"三百多個人三百多個人那我們是用勞基法的專任的人員的部分大概是四千多人但是我們還有其他一些兼任的人員兼任的人員"},{"start":3967.082,"end":3994.411,"text":"那全院工作的人員大概有8000多人所以我們全院適用勞基法每年進進出出大概徵才廣告我們每年就會有上千則所以其實我們本院是非常遵守法令的那在適用勞基法的徵才公告我們都會非常去注意那委員提到說我們有沒有被裁罰報告委員我們"},{"start":3995.932,"end":4020.092,"text":"說沒有被裁罰那是騙人的一定會有但是今年其實被裁罰的金額是不高的那有一些也還在訴願中但我們謝謝委員指導將來我們也還是會繼續去改進然後督促各單位繼續去就是把徵裁公告還有適用各種勞基法的規定繼續來精進那謝謝委員指導"},{"start":4023.752,"end":4041.001,"text":"而另外就是范雲委員提到的那個全市性騷擾的部分我們在倫理規約的那個規定裡面如果是一般違反倫理規約的部分我們會送倫理委員會去處理但是倫理"},{"start":4042.482,"end":4066.88,"text":"委員會他的作業要點裡面他有規定說如果是其他法令另有規定者他就依其他法令的規定所以如果是涉及性騷擾的案件我們依照性騷擾的要點就會送到性騷擾的申訴委員會去處理那性騷擾處理就是在委員會處理的時候他也會依照各類人員的規定"},{"start":4069.983,"end":4073.787,"text":"科珍委員先我想問一下我剛剛只是要釐清一下你剛剛的加班費只是針對你們中研院的行政人員嗎?"},{"start":4089.623,"end":4107.098,"text":"是,行政委員的加班費兩千多萬。好,那目前為止這個加班部分跟補修的部分你們是分開來做處理嗎?因為目前有非常多學術單位因為翻不出錢來,他們都用補修來代替加班費。所以中原有加班費已經算是很不錯了,對不起。這已經算是很不錯,在全國來說都算是很不錯了。所以你們跟補修來說是分開來做一個處理嗎?"},{"start":4112.483,"end":4114.605,"text":"我現在真的覺得中研院真的是一個很有善的工作環境好不好跟其他學術單位比起來你們算是非常好了"},{"start":4133.4,"end":4154.049,"text":"那個再來先秀寶委員先然後再萬美玲委員對不起但是因為阿我剛剛提的案子他們沒有回答那我不曉得是不是因為無法回答如果無法回答這就按照這樣來刪除好不好那我們請秀寶委員講完之後等一下再請中醫院這邊一起回應萬美玲委員的好不好剛剛你們秀寶委員是要回應剛剛中醫院的回應嗎"},{"start":4156.59,"end":4176.923,"text":"萬委員剛提到的是第12案那裡面也牽涉到第20案有關於房屋養護的費用是宿舍的部分有沒有重複的編列其實第12案裡面的宿舍是因為這個預算書格式限制我們寫單項就是宿舍的維護費用大概格式比較難寫說它裡面的細項因為它養護的部分有很多只是排水"},{"start":4177.483,"end":4178.464,"text":"二十頁的部分還包括了"},{"start":4204.171,"end":4208.552,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":4226.418,"end":4253.197,"text":"其實本席剛剛問的已經講過了養護隨著我們的建築物越來年限越久本來就會增加其實不必在這裡去講什麼窗台啦什麼的我們今天的問題就是在於本辦發現我們在宿舍的部分前面跟後面有重複編列但是第一個在上一段的時候其實並沒有回答這一段呢又沒有回答到重點我是覺得中研院如果是用這樣的態度來面對這個預算的答詢可能不夠嚴謹好不好好"},{"start":4255.519,"end":4257.22,"text":"中央院的招待所是用來做什麼的?"},{"start":4272.731,"end":4273.632,"text":"可以說明一下嗎?"},{"start":4273.632,"end":4288.574,"text":"是是就是學人訪問學人來這邊臺灣住的時候或是各個地方來臺北就短期的訪問啦你那個招待所那個分起來很像就是短期的宿舍是的不是對是短期的宿舍不要用招待所大家會誤會喔"},{"start":4289.5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那這一幕還有沒有人要發言的 這個題目 那我也補充一下喔 就是剛剛那個助言這邊回應我已經改成主約的部分 也跟我這邊收到的訊息不一樣 因為你們11月25號會議協商說會回去修正"},{"start":4488.591,"end":4515.018,"text":"只是剛剛的報告去說沒有修正的必要都沒問題所以是不是有點誤會因為我的部分還有說要提及文理委員會的性別比例那至少一定要修改嘛那你剛說權勢性騷就會直接歸性騷那因為你權勢就是霸凌這一類又是歸倫理這個規約還是能夠稍微的明文化會不會一點會不會更好要不然大家看到不知道是哪一種"},{"start":4516.63,"end":4541.572,"text":"報告委員,那個我們性騷擾申訴委員會他的性別比例是女性至少要二分之一以上那委員如果還有其他修正的必要我們也會回去修改有的是寫倫理委員會三分之一那是要修嘛那你剛剛報告說沒有修改的必要喔我聽到了所以大家要跟我們辦公室談得要一致啊"},{"start":4542.172,"end":4566.21,"text":"因為委員都有資料在身上好 那如果沒有其他的意見我們這個是第9、第10、第13案已經改成主決議那我們是不是就一起凍結因為剛剛有有100、有50、有20那是不是折衷部院長講一下這邊凍50可以嗎"},{"start":4568.482,"end":4568.982,"text":"羅廷偉委員有意見,您表達一下。"},{"start":4586.235,"end":4609.484,"text":"主席既然我是寫100當然尊重主席主席說50可是我覺得這個書面報告就可以解凍由於形式我想這個應該是不會是形式你到時候可以來反對說他們沒有做好這個不是形式我們解凍案都是要大家同意所以到時候書面報告寫不好的話您可以來反對解凍我還是希望能夠專案報告"},{"start":4611.185,"end":4639.76,"text":"專案報告對我這邊有寫我的第8案是這邊寫的前面幾位是表達不需要啦好不好因為我聽到的多數的意見覺得不需要專案報告那個柯中委員要院長馬上遞麥克風給柯委員欸沒有沒有因為前面幾位的表情看起來都覺得還沒有到要那個那個叫什麼專案報告柯委員你要救他是嗎不是因為那個因為羅委員非常的認真又是年輕的委員通常在中研院這個部分"},{"start":4640.18,"end":4642.242,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":4669.384,"end":4694.958,"text":"請他退回去或如何的來做一個處理要專案報告後面還有一些細項可以專案報告不好意思羅廷偉委員如果大家都很有共鳴的話一定都會很同意要專案報告當然啦但是我要顯現告訴院長我非常重視這件事情違反勞動法規這可以說明中央院單位就是學有專精我們都可以認同但是對勞動法規相當的極為不熟悉你們這裡一定要再加強我一定會再追這件事情"},{"start":4695.618,"end":4707.714,"text":"也是啦,因為過去都有一些小型的勞動爭議嘛,那現在大家越來越重視勞動權益,要好好的回應喔。回應不好我們可能不讓你們解凍喔。如果回應不好我看你們來我辦公室上課好了。"},{"start":4709.858,"end":4734.335,"text":"那第一幕謝謝羅廷瑋委員那我們就一起那個併動50萬那我們現在進入第二幕書面報告後解凍那第二幕一般學術研究及評議從15案到第58案那個陳培委員先然後等一下張雅琳委員然後郭育晴然後陳秀寶林依謹然後柯志恩"},{"start":4736.469,"end":4737.472,"text":"還有吳佩奕吳春成"},{"start":4742.93,"end":4767.716,"text":"好主席點名完了謝謝主席那我的部分是第26編號26還有編號44我要先說就是非常感謝中研院在我們去年質詢關於兒童科普日的部分馬上就在去年就先舉辦今年繼續舉辦可是我們後來才知道原來科普教育的推廣不是中央研究院的法定任務"},{"start":4768.636,"end":4781.901,"text":"所以等於是中央研究院在做社會責任這個部分我要先給中央研究院院長還有連續這兩年所有的行政同仁還有相關支持這些活動的老師們謝謝你們"},{"start":4784.022,"end":4805.529,"text":"在做非法定任務的事情但是對我們來說我們認為科普教育的推廣由中研院推出有其必要性喔那所以我還是希望可以繼續監督中研院在做這件事情所以我們去了解相關預算結構之後我們知道目前是由各院所發出構想再由秘書處協助會診然後用秘書處的經費來支應那我自己兩年都參加我必須要說活動越來越豐富"},{"start":4811.391,"end":4812.952,"text":"議員：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":4829.888,"end":4853.292,"text":"成立專責單位那當然上次在質詢的時候院長你有說你們會回去規劃因為這確實需要時間還有相關的人力資源的配置但我必須要說如果他變成一個是秘書處因為剛剛委員們都在講勞動法規的部分很重要但是如果因為我們要求的科普教育然後院裡面也有老師做得很開心但最後變成違反勞動法規這也不是我們的本意"},{"start":4853.872,"end":4871.777,"text":"所以就要拜託中研院這邊研究有沒有機會成立專責單位他就有專門的預算可以來處理這件事情讓這件事情真的可以長長久久下去這是二十六那44的部分喔這邊中研院我們提到的是人文社會科學博士生經、獎學金我們知道中研院今年有開辦"},{"start":4872.777,"end":4901.957,"text":"希望刺激更多人文社會領域的學生有更多未來的想像那我們繼續想要拜託中研院研議未來我國人文領域研究發展的方向跟規劃希望中研院可以用林投揚的角色給予國內的學術單位一個刺激跟鼓勵那畢竟面對理工傾斜這個狀況我知道我相信很多人都覺得越來越嚴重但是我們到底有沒有什麼方法來協助台灣的人文社會科學系或者是藝術人文學系都有機會還是可以平衡的發展"},{"start":4902.737,"end":4923.914,"text":"那至於預算處理的部分我想就尊重主席待會一併的討論跟決定但是我的提案說明就是以上說明謝謝好謝謝陳培委員喔因為剛剛大家舉手的我們記錄意識來不及記錄我先確認一下再來順序是不是張雅玲、陳秀寶、吳佩奕、郭育晴、林依謹啊?你是先者"},{"start":4926.915,"end":4931.439,"text":"張雅玲、郭育晴、陳秀寶、林怡瑾、吳佩奕、柯之恩、葉元芝、吳春成"},{"start":4945.302,"end":4945.982,"text":"江雅琳委員第15案人才培育計畫"},{"start":4967.452,"end":4980.001,"text":"就是在我們延攬資深學員的子計畫來說我們目標是定10個可是我們只有達到3個那到底是為什麼我上面有看到原因跟我的說明是說因為個人家庭因素可能會影響他的遷移意願"},{"start":4981.479,"end":5002.016,"text":"但是我想可能還有薪資或者是說一些移民的就業金卡的一些相關規定導致了他們不願意來我覺得這些都應該要更詳盡的去了解之後提供給我們的相關單位讓他們去在就業金卡的一些調整上面可以去因應我們才有可能去延攬到這些資深學人那再來就是說"},{"start":5003.217,"end":5025.537,"text":"我們對於一些就是國際研究生學成我們是有在增加那我覺得我現在看到就是說都是一個量化的數據就是說我們有增加可是目標到底是多少其實我看不出來所以我還是希望說因為我們有一個目標你才能知道你要怎麼努力的去達成那到底我們離目標多遠這個我也希望待會可以做個清楚的說明"},{"start":5026.533,"end":5026.553,"text":"第24會議"},{"start":5041.994,"end":5069.456,"text":"第24案那第24案裡面呢就是我們最主要是針對我們中研講堂跟科普講座那因為今年中研講堂只辦了一座那說明是說因為可能有辦這些南部院區開放的活動但是我覺得這個部分呢因為中研講堂的形式我覺得它還是對於它是更深入的我覺得它其實還是蠻有辦的一個必要性所以我希望還是可以持續的來增加那再來是第25案"},{"start":5073.888,"end":5092.643,"text":"第25案呢就是針對於兒童科普日喔那兒童科普日之前我在質詢的時候就有提到說我們12歲以下的小孩然後兒童填寫的問卷實在是太複雜了喔那你們自己也有自己也有說這個當時也有回復說這個內容其實對小朋友來說其實非常難判斷的"},{"start":5093.463,"end":5094.043,"text":"第二十九案"},{"start":5120.68,"end":5138.466,"text":"第29案呢其實是在講實驗室的一個職安檢查那雖然我希望是說目前我們有做一些詳盡的實驗室的檢查那也應該有一些違規類型因為連續幾年下我們應該可以做一些違規類型的大數據分析更了解他們的分類"},{"start":5139.386,"end":5161.349,"text":"好那這個才能夠去對應我們做的演習好職安演習是不是能夠去處理我們面對到這些狀況的時候可以確保我們所有實驗室的工作人員的安全那第二再來是第46案好那第46案的話因為其實剛剛前面已經有做一些詳盡的說明所以這部分我不堅持"},{"start":5163.831,"end":5188.46,"text":"第48案是針對AI工具在台灣文化、歷史分析等人為領域的應用與研究。人文科學是在AI的一個非常重要的角色。它其實是引領了整個AI前進的方向,確保它在研究前進的時候還是有符合一些道德跟倫理的規範。"},{"start":5189.58,"end":5213.459,"text":"所以我在這個部分我只有看到你們告訴我說有一些領域有收到多少的申請書但是我覺得更重要的是這個定期成果的檢討機制是很重要的因為AI的變化實在是太快了我們應該要有一個定期的檢討我們才能知道我們是不是有跟上潮流這個部分是在你們給我說明的上面我是沒有看見的"},{"start":5215.765,"end":5215.966,"text":"第55案有關於"},{"start":5221.414,"end":5249.613,"text":"管控去碳置氫機組與發電機組建置進度我其實當時的提案裡面還有說要確保測試階段可獲得充分且準確之檢探實測數據但是你們給我的報告只有進度我還是看不到檢探實測數據我覺得這才是最重要的一個部分就是我覺得都是進度的控管我覺得我的提案裡面一直在強調我們進度的控管以及檢討可是我覺得這個是我們目前我還沒有看到中研院詳細的說明"},{"start":5251.014,"end":5267.383,"text":"最後一個是第66案就是針對南部縣區我們要如何吸引人才過去因為現在我們可能在餐飲、休閒、住宿等等今天先講第二幕就好這個預算的凍結還是變成主決到時候我們就最後一起討論謝謝好 謝謝張雅玲委員現在我們請郭育晴委員發言"},{"start":5278.956,"end":5294.463,"text":"好,那我的部分是16案、21案、23案、30案還有40案。好,那我先就這個第16案呢,那我要提就是有鑑於其實之前在我們的中央醫院其實有這個41歲的這個研究員他親生"},{"start":5298.024,"end":5300.847,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":5314.16,"end":5334.195,"text":"但是我們看到其實在這個心靈補給站的專區其實它的更新速度第一它非常的慢今年大概只發了三篇文章都已經到了年底了那這個部分我可能覺得還是要再改進那第21案的部分當然有講到就是說我們的這個中研講堂的部分"},{"start":5335.476,"end":5337.458,"text":"二十三案的部分就是我們講到這個兒童科普日"},{"start":5353.472,"end":5376.777,"text":"剛剛裴宇有特別提到其實這個是要給我們專業院一個肯定這是非法定的一個任務但是我連公車廣告上面都有看到兒童科普日的這個宣傳那我想就是向下扎根也是我們的目標所以這個部分如果要改成主決議其實我也沒有特別的堅持但是希望能夠再針對比方說4到6歲的部分我們可能還有一些更階段性的一些進程"},{"start":5378.971,"end":5399.631,"text":"第30案就是言之有物的一個部分剛剛一直在講說我們的這個科普教育要向下扎根那我想不管是各個學校的一個推廣或相關單位對於所謂的科普的一些不管是書籍也好或者是文章也好甚至有一些這個電子報或者電子的期刊也好我們怎麼樣來增加更多人"},{"start":5400.071,"end":5400.551,"text":"第40案研覽資深學人"},{"start":5427.512,"end":5428.252,"text":"議員﹚完整會議議員﹚完整會議"},{"start":5454.548,"end":5454.769,"text":"陳秀寶委員"},{"start":5468.923,"end":5489.684,"text":"在這一幕裡面我的案子有五個案子分別是22案然後41案、49案、51案以及56案那我先從22案的部分這部分是在學術研究與人才的培育的向下就是行政"},{"start":5490.885,"end":5504.06,"text":"工作的維持那這個部分呢比去比今年的預算呢增加了3億多主要說是說增加在資訊操作維護及資料硬體的這個設備"},{"start":5506.342,"end":5510.524,"text":"中研院這邊有來說明說要滿足學術研究的高速運算我們這些相關的設備是應該要擴充的那的確就是說AI的技術帶動我們科技的浪潮我們相關的這些設備必須要來擴充才能滿足我們研究的需求"},{"start":5522.91,"end":5537.005,"text":"所以這個部分我可以改成主決議我支持你們的預算但是我還是要提醒說中研院近年也遭受大量這些高強度的資安攻擊所以你們在這個部分一定要就是依我們資安法的規定來做好相關的資安的防護"},{"start":5539.209,"end":5555.834,"text":"第41案是辦理人才培育及延攬計劃與國內大學合作培育國際研究生計劃及博士後研究學者培育計劃及延攬資深學員看辦費。但這個成效"},{"start":5560.731,"end":5588.864,"text":"你們也沒有去說明說這個成效跟你們預期做的這個目標那研覽資深人質計畫呢主要是用在學者到中研院任職的時候協助他建立這個研究所所需要的這個設備跟團隊那你們這邊有說明說面對人才市場這個激烈的競爭那就是我們資深的優秀的學者招募不容易所以說才會實質的這個應聘人數是落後的那另外呢博士後的研究學者培育計畫實際上錄取人數也遠低"},{"start":5590.425,"end":5591.907,"text":"總統計劃有9位委員提動節,有2位委員提檢列。"},{"start":5610.467,"end":5612.869,"text":"第49案是學術研究人才培育上下關於"},{"start":5628.75,"end":5636.994,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":5653.541,"end":5653.681,"text":"第51案"},{"start":5681.041,"end":5709.867,"text":"是關於我們這個中研學者計劃我們這個編列了很多的這些預算來供申請人來執行研究計劃但是我們並沒有定一個具體的成果跟量化的目標你們僅以一個說期待我們期待提升我國這個研究的學員的水準啊這種其實很模糊你們也沒有自己自己本身為自己定的這樣子成果的這個量化目標其實很難去說"},{"start":5710.607,"end":5710.747,"text":"閱讀委員會的報告"},{"start":5740.887,"end":5741.027,"text":"第56案"},{"start":5760.818,"end":5765.18,"text":"天然氣驅殘燃氫計劃系統建置。你們在112年有成功地穿接15000瓦的小型商用發電機組。也希望說在4年期中能夠在實際的場域建設測試的機組,將我們整個技術能夠實際來應用。"},{"start":5784.95,"end":5810.58,"text":"但是這個建制其實你們這個建制其實有關後續的我們場域實際的實際的這個發電是不是可以規劃這個進度來測試那你們目前在你們的預算裡面編列你們聘僱的助理人員20人及老健保這個相關的費用2000多萬而且這個跟你們的基礎設備費是沒有關係的就是不是在這個裡面的明細"},{"start":5812.2,"end":5813.34,"text":"謝謝秀寶委員再來我們請林益菁委員"},{"start":5843.613,"end":5867.208,"text":"謝謝主席我的案子是第43案這是討論國際研究生學程我想中研院常年辦理國際研究生學程TIGP 援攬了很多國內外具有潛力的優秀學生來到中研院我們也希望藉由此來培養優秀的學者或是未來國家的學術領導"},{"start":5869.25,"end":5891.489,"text":"我覺得這很肯定這樣的學生計畫那這個計畫申請的人數也越來越多近6年的申請都破了千人可是本席有注意到說這個學生從2002年開辦至今除了前5年的報道率維持在70%、80%左右那其他是很多的年度的報道率都約落在60%"},{"start":5892.89,"end":5915.2,"text":"那2023的報道率也僅有67%那我的提案當然是希望說能改善這個招生的相關的作為那增加被錄取學生來實際報到就讀的意願也希望說可以維持這個報道率維持在75%以上那中研院來跟本辦說明的時候有提到說今年的報道率有來到80%了"},{"start":5917.361,"end":5917.461,"text":"吳佩儀委員"},{"start":5935.18,"end":5960.883,"text":"我的提案的一個28案主要是我看到我們在明年度的預算當中一般事務費、房屋建築養護費、設施及機械設備養護費這一個比去年、今年度我增加了是將近一倍啦但是因為之前我在預算書裡面沒有看到詳細的說明那中央又後來有來提供說明我看了一下主要就是有關於我們有一些專利的維護費"},{"start":5962.344,"end":5963.505,"text":"議員提出的動結數是150萬……"},{"start":5987.889,"end":6004.488,"text":"這個請中委員提供報告之後使得動之再來第35案主要關心的是我們中研院我們有現在是24個研究所跟這個研究中心那其中每一年度我們總務處都有就環安"},{"start":6006.149,"end":6032.404,"text":"來進行這個訪試那目前看起來112年度的缺失項目比111年度是有下降一些從6成降到4成但是呢目前我們訪試的297間研究室裡面仍然是有133間是有缺失的這已經將近是三分之一所以我認為這個絕對是要來強化改善而且速度要再加快那這個"},{"start":6034.525,"end":6059.699,"text":"等會可能要再進行說明那再來是58案是有關於我們中研院的淨零科技研發計畫那這個計畫我基本上就是非常的支持那希望我們後續的這個進行要能夠確實這樣所以這一案我是提議我就要改成主決議文所以等會也再跟主席進行討論好謝謝"},{"start":6061.776,"end":6088.187,"text":"好,謝謝吳佩儀委員。再來我們請柯志文委員發言。好,我現在是提出第42案跟第57案。那第42案我想剛剛非常多委員非常的關切。大家還是在討論到底有沒有辦法留得住人才。那這是我在執行的時候已經就教育院長了,特別是以TIGP為例。你要吸引國際人才,結果今年相關的人才畢業後留在台灣大概就只有22人,比往年都還要差了。"},{"start":6089.487,"end":6107.556,"text":"議案成效我自己在學術界我很清楚就國科會教育部同步都推動類似的補助的這個影響變成國內的學術單位都彼此在相互的互打互想人才所以我認為相關部會說實在這個是這個當然不能全部都歸於這個中研院但是我還是認為應該做一些"},{"start":6108.797,"end":6137.312,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":6137.392,"end":6164.241,"text":"那你要來進行這樣的投資還是要受到法規的一個限制而且這也是要牽涉到經濟部的一個權責所以我覺得這個部分鼓勵中研院能夠進一步的研議然後法規的鬆綁的問題所以我同意把它改成組決議因為如果只是凍結我覺得對這個計劃方案一點幫助都沒有就改成組決議遮成一種期待吧好謝謝柯志恩委員再來我們請葉元芝委員發言葉元芝委員發言完之後我們先休息10分鐘"},{"start":6169.382,"end":6185.252,"text":"我這邊三期案有關於人才培育及延攬計畫中要延攬資深的學術人才的這個部分但因為那個中研院他有給我們一個初步的說明但那個初步的說明我覺得過於抽象比如說他講說有的是為什麼會招攬"},{"start":6187.073,"end":6214.155,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":6214.855,"end":6234.34,"text":"因為這個執行的狀況實在是不好啦所以我們可以就是從檢列100萬到檢列50萬那凍結部分是希望說可以針對問題提出一個比較具體的解除的方案告訴大家說到底要怎麼執行執行率才能達成你們的目標好不好希望就是給我們的報告可以再具體一點謝謝"},{"start":6238.706,"end":6248.016,"text":"議員發言完畢,我們先休息10分鐘,待會休息完就吳春成委員先發言,然後再羅廷偉、萬美玲、葛如軍,然後就請中業院回應。"},{"start":6269.16,"end":6269.741,"text":"議員﹚發言人"},{"start":6288.672,"end":6299.816,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":6320.404,"end":6330.194,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":7119.823,"end":7139.875,"text":"好那我們會繼續喔那因為范委員有一些事情會延遲一些些所以有本席先來代主席一下那我們再來就來請吳春城委員發言好謝謝主席那個台灣民眾黨啊主張理性物質科學所以我們對學術"},{"start":7141.829,"end":7166.77,"text":"是非常尊重的所以對於其他的像一般行政的預算甚至招待所、卡拉OK我們都沒意見但是呢我們有意見的是我的案子在45案跟那個31案當中主要的想要表示的是"},{"start":7168.971,"end":7191.886,"text":"中央研究院是做國家最高的智庫。現在呢,我要想當胡適之在當中央研究院的時候,中央研究院代表的是什麼?代表的是我們學術的獨立、自由、人文精神,是嗎?"},{"start":7193.612,"end":7214.668,"text":"不只是一個工作單位不只是一個上班那你跟一般大學有何差異他是一座燈塔他是一座燈塔包括他引領社會的運動社會的運動然後呢做一些理性"},{"start":7216.223,"end":7242.852,"text":"不要讓我們的學術界成為一個我上禮拜在審查考試院的公聽會的時候就講現在公務人員最大的問題就叫平庸之惡我們很容易淪以平庸配合體制作為一個體制當中的響應者中央研究院存在的目的就是要抵抗這個東西因為我們一般人太容易這樣了"},{"start":7244.775,"end":7257.907,"text":"在我們的政府單位在我們的學術單位中央研究院應該要去堅持這個啦那所以呢我在這裡第45案當中主要談的是"},{"start":7259.454,"end":7274.602,"text":"我們現在整個的學校研究單位都是重理科輕人文甚至就是說這一個"},{"start":7276.212,"end":7298.21,"text":"所以在這裡我要提出的就是目前我們中央研究院對人文上面的一個重視也社會科學人文的部分也都不足所以希望能夠在這一方面來補足另外在31案"},{"start":7300.293,"end":7312.203,"text":"三十一案裡面我剛才提到了中央研究院要成為一個社會的領頭羊胡適之推動了很多的社會的運動新文化運動還有整個的"},{"start":7316.306,"end":7342.755,"text":"一些堅持的立場那我一直在推動的就是高齡社會我已經在諮詢講過很多次超高齡社會來臨台灣未來30年最重要的就是人口的天翻地覆最影響的層面遍及的所有的部分不管教育、經濟甚至國防每一個"},{"start":7343.973,"end":7367.118,"text":"每一個社會福利這都是非常極大的衝擊而中央研究院竟然在這方面的研究負之缺乳負之缺乳我上次諮詢院長說我們中央研究院這一方面的人才不足缺乏研究人口學缺乏研究這一方面到底未來高齡社會我經常在談高齡社會"},{"start":7370.953,"end":7394.373,"text":"到底是一個悲慘世界還是一個美麗新世界如果你認為它是悲慘世界你就會提出悲慘的處方目前我們都是這樣子衛福部在提了啦每一個在提了說這個要破產那個快要結束了所以都在急救都在把高零社會當作一個已經快要斷氣的一個運用方案"},{"start":7395.273,"end":7413.223,"text":"那就提出這樣子啊。為什麼?因為他們沒有高上層的思維。他們只有方案直接的處方的處理。處方監。中央研究院就是架構這個啊。如果你把它認為它是一個美麗新世界,你提出的處方就不一樣。"},{"start":7415.017,"end":7433.407,"text":"未來人口一半都超過60歲高齡那樣是一個什麼社會那樣的社會形態的政治經濟社會文化到底應該長什麼樣子這不就是一個非常大的學術主題嗎就中央研究院完全負之缺乳台灣這個問題不是說沒關係啊全世界沒有人在做啊"},{"start":7434.232,"end":7456.425,"text":"台灣這問題是全世界最嚴重我們跑在全世界的第一名就像昨天的棒球不要小看台灣覺得我們都是永遠尾隨人家的我們還是可以得冠軍的我們還是可以第一名的我們中央醫院也可以稱為世界學術的領先的殿堂就是你要不要你要做一些你的問題的研究這屬於我們自己的問題"},{"start":7457.265,"end":7468.74,"text":"所以我在這裡也希望大家的支持我先包括這個就科普啦如果這個沒有相關做的這一句話我要凍結五百萬請大家的支持謝謝謝謝吳春城委員再我們請羅廷瑋委員發言"},{"start":7478.609,"end":7502.142,"text":"好 謝謝謝謝主席我想大家都很討論這幾個項目齁那我自己對於這個這次的學術研究人才培育齁編列46億點2000多萬的這一筆費用齁那個天然氣去碳燃金我想跟院長也有在討論過齁那混金發電這個部分呢我們還是希望齁淨寧碳排我們大家都非常的期待"},{"start":7502.842,"end":7518.988,"text":"在這一次我想在我們的質詢當中院長也有跟我表示天然氣機組仍是有空污的當然我們因為近期有中火的一個因素有6個燃氣機組跟燃煤機組變相擴敞"},{"start":7523.189,"end":7546.974,"text":"我們希望還是能夠爭取天然氣去碳燃金這個特別的一個技術能夠在台中我想這個本試驗計畫未納入到中火為實驗場域想再問一下這個院長有沒有考慮台中在這邊設置那有沒有相關的一個計畫是不是在這個部分上能夠給我一個回應我想這邊先凍結200萬也希望能夠得到一個善意的回應為台中來爭取"},{"start":7548.174,"end":7554.539,"text":"那我想因為這個新的技術齁那我覺得這個是我們很期待的一件事情好院長謝謝羅廷威委員齁再來請萬美玲委員"},{"start":7564.209,"end":7579.119,"text":"謝謝主席我這邊有四個案子第一個是第20案第20案其實剛才有說明過對於這個宿舍的部分剛剛有做了一個解釋剛剛副院長私底下也有再跟我提過我想這個部分我可以接受不過呢"},{"start":7580.02,"end":7607.978,"text":"我覺得我們還是看一下因為這個在基本行政工作維持費11億那真的是有做了一個很大幅的成長當然這個成長不管是在資訊房屋養護或者設備等等可是好像還是沒有辦法詳細的知道為什麼做這麼大幅的成長所以來做預算說明的時候其實本席當時是有講說那我們就是動3000萬然後給你們自己去調整那大概這個等一下說明完以後我們可以看看怎麼來處理"},{"start":7609.319,"end":7618.866,"text":"二十七案做預算說明的時候有講得比較清楚我想這個就改組決議有沒有意見我們看一下三十八案"},{"start":7620.444,"end":7644.174,"text":"三十八案的部分這個是在這個預算的向下總共有六個子計畫那這個子計畫我們可以看一下我也把這個表有列出來但是呢我們發現在一百一十二年的時候我們只有人文講座這一個計畫有達到我們自己這個預設的標準值那剩下的五項計畫都沒有那來到一百一十三年就算到七月看起來"},{"start":7644.614,"end":7644.754,"text":"第54宗案"},{"start":7666.451,"end":7675.322,"text":"午時四案的時候其實本期在質詢的時候有提過那現在我們因為要跟台電有一個合作的一個計劃不過這個計劃四年的計劃經費其實達到十億那目前看起來其實即便是本期質詢完以後我們這個詳細的那個內容"},{"start":7684.674,"end":7685.915,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算"},{"start":7701.442,"end":7722.228,"text":"好 謝謝萬美玲委員再來葛如軍委員發言好 謝謝先回應一下剛剛張雅玲委員有提到AI的計畫我其實也是echo這個金國先生曾經講過這個有些事情今天不做明天就會後悔我們在預算的安排上面"},{"start":7723.008,"end":7739.411,"text":"請問不要是今天不做今天會後悔的事要去安排今天不做今天不排明天會後悔的事情所以我想這個我們來echo一下那我今天提的是這個案53其實這個去但然清剛剛柯委員跟羅委員也都有提到"},{"start":7740.012,"end":7756.128,"text":"但這個案子其實很可能就是今天不做明天可能也不會後悔的事其實我們第53案是我們這個去代燃金發電系統的研發經費那我本席認為由於我國目前的非核家園的政策目標一直還未正式的改變"},{"start":7757.329,"end":7780.289,"text":"隨著河山廠有可能要除役當然我們是以一個嚴議的態度但是如果真的除役了我們將可能會面臨缺電的危機當然每一種新興發電的方式的研發只要符合國情我們都認為值得嘗試接下來有幾個地方可能還是要請待會院長有機會的話可以來回應首先就是假設去代燃輕發電研發成功有真的要作為我國主要的發電方式嗎?"},{"start":7781.67,"end":7785.052,"text":"如果不能,那到底要把它做成幾層?"},{"start":7785.052,"end":7787.634,"text":"不然聽起來它好像很fancy可是它真的適合台灣的國情嗎?"},{"start":7789.875,"end":7813.228,"text":"因為這個去氮燃金我們的理解是它需要的天然氣的量其實是比過去的方法要來得更高的因為它的發電的效率它的這個轉換率其實會因為它把它變成固體碳它有可能需要更多的天然氣所以它的去氮燃金的發電成本很可能會是目前發電成本的兩倍這個有符合我們的國情嗎另外前面也提到我們的天然氣高達99%是進口的"},{"start":7816.61,"end":7821.116,"text":"目前為了運輸大量的天然氣規劃了三階、四階還有五階、六階才夠用對我們海岸線的天然地形的破壞、沿岸海洋生態的破壞其實會讓人擔憂的那我們中研院如果只是作為測試只是作為技術的研發又沒有要實際的來採型"},{"start":7834.974,"end":7854.155,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":7854.275,"end":7876.343,"text":"但是聚氮燃氣的發電技術其實要產生是會固體的碳它不能算作綠能它只能結成潔淨能源所以對於緩解我們的綠能缺乏的問題也沒有幫助那當然本席最擔心的問題還有可能跟地緣的這個狀態有關說呢一旦這個近期有這個消息指出"},{"start":7876.983,"end":7905.929,"text":"一旦共軍真的包圍台灣美國可能要到第四周才有可能馳援那根據之前經濟部長前經濟部長王美花的說法台灣天然氣的存量可能只有11天那如果天然氣的補給船沒有辦法來的話你去探燃清你需要的天然氣又比以前更高你發電的成本也更高那你需求更高那你可能你的儲備量可能只剩下更少啊那中研院其實還有很多其他的專案可能有太陽能有海洋能可能還有地熱"},{"start":7907.129,"end":7933.75,"text":"那是不是乾脆就整理一下我們這個真的是適合我們的國情的嗎我們其實真的是希望呼籲謹慎能源的研發資源啦這個做最有效率的配置那所以呢我覺得所有的研發做新能源我們都支持但是呢一定要先講求不傷身體再來講求功效所以預算的部分我是希望能夠與部分凍結以上謝謝"},{"start":7935.63,"end":7938.734,"text":"謝謝盧君委員再來洪孟楷委員請發言盧君委員先講不傷身體再講到功效還以為是來到慰安慰勇會不過確實啦每一個委員在這一個科目裡面"},{"start":7958.075,"end":7976.393,"text":"主要都是這個人才培育及相關的學術研究的部分那本席這邊有提兩個案一個是33案一個是39案我想之前雖然中研院這邊有跟本席這邊來溝通過可是我還是要再一次呼應一下尤其是第39案我覺得"},{"start":7977.694,"end":7992.802,"text":"看一下38案萬美齡委員這邊有列出來的這表喔其實也是預算中心之前所編列那其實我想也可能要請我們中研院這邊再回應一下在資深學人的部分112年目標值是10"},{"start":7995.003,"end":8011.133,"text":"那113年目標值也是10,114年目標值也是10可是實際的達成的狀況其實是沒有達到這樣的狀況那是不是有檢討的一個必要而不是每一次都是照本宣科來編列那博士後研究學者培育計畫100,112年93"},{"start":8015.526,"end":8036.466,"text":"一百一三年也是一百但只有七十九一百一四年又再一百我們想說人才培育我們絕對不會反對我們要凍結預算也是希望能夠push跟金淨中研院能夠做到達成屬於自己的目標你有一些目標是有實際達到超前的那你要再"},{"start":8037.312,"end":8062.739,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":8062.839,"end":8062.939,"text":"以上,謝謝"},{"start":8084.526,"end":8102.046,"text":"謝謝黃孟楷委員那海毛委員要針對這一幕發言那如果沒有我就快速講我的兩個我的第18案跟第19案18案關於中央研究院院士行為準則裡面的增訂我們蠻肯定的但是並沒有"},{"start":8102.346,"end":8128.814,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":8129.134,"end":8146.966,"text":"第19案是因為中研有非常多的數位資料庫跟平台譬如說數位文化中心因為有學者反應希望這些資料庫能夠整合我們經過了解之後覺得中研院也應該要率先做整合而且未來"},{"start":8148.007,"end":8148.167,"text":"吳佩儀委員要補充"},{"start":8176.074,"end":8192.772,"text":"我想要補充一下就是呼應剛剛吳春晨委員31案的提案就是中研院的研資有物科普平台我也是很支持說應該要加強讓壯士代族群能夠來閱讀不過我跨了一下因為你們的受眾設定是國高中生以上"},{"start":8193.412,"end":8215.801,"text":"目前最主要在閱讀的族群是45到54歲所以其實可能國高中生這其他族群的這個閱讀的加強怎麼樣的這個通路管道我覺得也可以來持續的加強另外是無障礙閱讀界面這個對長輩來說也是非常重要所以明年是否有相關的計畫來去把它提升這一點"},{"start":8216.201,"end":8216.421,"text":"中央委員"},{"start":8237.472,"end":8260.829,"text":"秘書處處長曾國祥首先先針對陳培宇委員關於科普活動的主責單位那麼經過上次質詢之後呢院長回去已經立即責陳秘書處進行進步的規劃秘書處目前根據我們自己內部的組織業務能力正在做調配那麼我們一定會往這個方向努力一定會去彰顯這個科普活動的重要性透過我們組織的重新架構"},{"start":8262.43,"end":8278.376,"text":"關於張雅玲委員特別謝謝委員蓋斯底下的兩個指示首先第一個中央獎堂原來的設定確實就有考量到教育資源的平等以及是為了高中生為主所以這個活動我們不但會繼續辦然後會把它辦得更好更精"},{"start":8279.857,"end":8295.547,"text":"關於兒童的問卷問題確實我們現在的問卷主要是針對父母然而兒童是主體設計兒童問卷這是一個專業我們已經跟人事中心的調查研究中心有一個討論我們下一次開始會特別針對兒童的議題來設計一套回饋的機制"},{"start":8299.79,"end":8322.677,"text":"接下來關於郭育琴委員的這個三個指示那我大概也是簡短回答首先關於中央講堂我剛才提過因為他不會流於形式我們會持續的去精進那麼至於加強4到6歲的兒童科普活動我們也會遵照辦理那麼事實上我們現在已經有大概125場的活動是親子互動的那我們會持續往這方面繼續的努力"},{"start":8323.537,"end":8344.864,"text":"再來言之有物事實上我們除了人文跟生命科學之外我們今年也剛剛出版了這個我們這個這個這個數理組的專書而且是取了一個很棒的書名叫做格物窮理那這個書剛剛出來那預計在下禮拜以前應該也都可以把這個書呢樣書送到各位委員的辦公室"},{"start":8346.241,"end":8374.659,"text":"再來吳泉委員的兩個指教大概這樣非常謝謝你提到就我完全同意你就是說你贏了這個鄂蘭的平庸的邪惡那你也提到現在很多人都只是在體制內做一個聽話的這個這個這個小螺絲釘那我們一定會秉持胡適之先生的精神就是說在未來的科普教育上一定會更去加強整個社會的自由的精神以及批判反思的這樣的一個態度那麼除此之外更重要當然這跟這個吳佩儀委員也提到了就確實"},{"start":8375.62,"end":8397.094,"text":"我們現在科普活動比較沒有去著重在55歲以上的壯世代那麼一方面在網路的無障礙方面我們一定會持續的努力二方面我們也會針對壯世代更重視的議題包括比如說很重要的數位落差那根據這些議題我們會設計更好的科普活動以及強化我們的科普的宣傳的管道"},{"start":8397.894,"end":8421.306,"text":"最後主席所提到的院士行為準則如同主席所提到的因為上次諮詢之後我們已經針對五個民主國家的科學院的如果有違反行為準則的相關處理機制進行討論我們會在12月30日以前提出報告那麼以上的案子非常謝謝如果委員同意的話建請委員同意我們改成主決議以上謝謝"},{"start":8426.716,"end":8446.681,"text":"總務處處長報告針對張雅玲委員跟吳佩儀委員剛剛提到有關於中研院的實驗室訪視的部分兩個部分一部分吳委員提到的是缺失比例的部分那我們認為計算上面可能用缺失的項目去處理總檢查的項目得到的數字可能會比較更為真實更合理這樣除起來的話112年的缺失應該是2.78"},{"start":8449.562,"end":8478.095,"text":"我們113年今年已經做了我們的缺失大概只有2.58%這些缺失項目都是一個禮拜內就全部改善的部分都還算是算是比較好我們還是會持續的去精進那張委員提到說這些缺失應該把它分類我們會把它分類而且我們每年會在我們的環安衛委員會裡面大會裡面做報告向全院所有中心的代表做說明交流讓大家知道缺失如何改善這有關於實驗室訪試的部分向兩位委員報告"},{"start":8480.477,"end":8499.034,"text":"萬委員提到的部分是我們11億的經費裡面有成長那裡面特別您剛剛提到的是這裡面成長的經費有兩個部分一部分是資訊的軟硬體的部分另外一部分是房屋修繕跟設備機器的部分有關於房屋跟設備機器的部分"},{"start":8500.115,"end":8506.723,"text":"這個大部分都是一次性修繕我們在113年是編了的費用是比較低114年總共編了2億那比113年多了8000多萬那主要是幾個部分第一個"},{"start":8514.773,"end":8515.033,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":8544.95,"end":8567.919,"text":"委員好 我是資訊服務處陳林志處長我想針對剛剛陳秀寶委員還有萬美玲委員提到的有關資訊轉硬體的部分這部分確實我們是針對現在AI運算的大量的需求因為這兩年變化非常的快我們盤點院內目前相關的這些相關硬體可能沒辦法去支援全院的這種AI的轉型"},{"start":8569.019,"end":8593.473,"text":"⋯⋯"},{"start":8595.723,"end":8613.079,"text":"委員好,國際處報告。那我想針對兩個方向跟各位委員說明。第一個是跟所有跟學生相關的這個人才培育的方案。那這邊有陳亞林委員的15案、陳秀寶委員的41案、柯昇委員42案、林一吉委員43案。"},{"start":8614.66,"end":8631.736,"text":"還有萬美林委員的38案那我想就一併來說明那中央院的這個學生的人才培育總共有三大項一個是國際研究生那另外一個是與國內大學合辦的國內博士班學生的培育那第三個是我們今年新增的"},{"start":8632.697,"end":8633.978,"text":"章亞林委員有提到我們的目標值是什麼?我們現在目標值是140位。"},{"start":8652.995,"end":8672.791,"text":"那這個主要是受限於我們的國際研究生的宿舍我們目前的這棟宿舍它能夠容納的學生的人數應該是140位那這個不只是預算上的限制還有硬體上的限制所以我們會朝這個目標值來前進那過去幾年平均每年都是收120位左右所以我們還有一些空間我們就會往140人前進"},{"start":8674.792,"end":8697.548,"text":"好幾位委員都提到今年的成效比較卓著的原因是什麼我想最主要應該就是我們獎學金的加碼方案因為今年院長提出這樣子的方案所以我們立即就讓博士生他在每個月領到的錢可以在第二年提升六千從第三年開始到他第五年結束每個月提升一萬六"},{"start":8698.368,"end":8724.56,"text":"所以這個顯然是非常明確的增加我們在國際研究生的報名人數今年我們有2400多人來報名跟去年1600多人比起來已經有顯著的增加所以這個我們會持續來推動各位委員也有關心到我們如何留住人才現在有幾個方案第一個是我們除了把人才留在學界之外我們也開始讓他們銜接到台灣的業界"},{"start":8726.56,"end":8750.225,"text":"現在業界需求的人才也非常地多我們也開始來做一些跟業界之間的對接另外就是跟國發會一起來推動這個就業金卡的宣導尤其是國際生他們現在對就業金卡的了解還不是非常多我們今年也請國發會的同仁來院內跟國際生來宣導這樣的事情這一點我們會持續推動"},{"start":8754.322,"end":8769.899,"text":"萬委員有提到其中有一個成效不是非常理想的就是跟國內大學合辦的這個本國級的學生的培育計畫那這一邊我想現在碰到的問題也是我們跟業界的對接還不是做得非常理想"},{"start":8770.9,"end":8785.569,"text":"學生對於他未來下一步要怎麼走,我們還沒有做非常好的宣導,所以這一點我們會持續來精進,盡量能夠讓一些在我們這邊念完博士的學生他可以銜接到業界去工作,這個我們明年會強化這個計畫。"},{"start":8790.111,"end":8815.012,"text":"吳春成委員有特別提到人文社會博士生的培育計畫今年我們開始這個新案已經招了16名精英博士生進來明年我們還會持續去各大學推動讓更多學生知道有這個方案持續來申請我們會再盡量增加在審查上面跟招生之間的橫平性"},{"start":8817.974,"end":8837.155,"text":"所以這是跟人才培育相關的一些回應。外媒委員還有提到第20案,其實第20案的修繕牽涉到的是TIGP,就是國際研究生的宿舍。我們的確是有編了一個3000萬一次性的修繕,那個主要是因為這棟樓已經20年。"},{"start":8838.736,"end":8864.643,"text":"外牆現在有些剝落的情況所以必須要有這筆經費來維護它的外牆那每年有150萬的內部的修繕經費那這個就是例行性要整理一些內部的這種漏水啊這一些東西所以我想這兩筆經費應該是沒有重複編列那在這邊跟委員說明那我想我先說明到這邊那還有另外一案是顧議員特別提到的關懷中心第16案"},{"start":8865.703,"end":8892.954,"text":"第16案的回應現在是這樣子就是我們關懷中心有三位專職的行李師還有三位特約行李師那他們每年負責的諮商個案其實大概都超過1300件所以過去的確人力上面是蠻緊縮的那跟委員討論的時候其實有特別提醒到我們會增加人員的編制所以現在已經在招募一位社工師那應該這個禮拜五我們就會面試"},{"start":8894.395,"end":8894.415,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":8921.342,"end":8938.675,"text":"學術處,我來補充一下人才培育研覽計畫裡面第一個先跟大家報告一下博士後研究學者培育計畫我們每年定大概都是定100人左右但是事實上中研院裡面的博士研究的學者大概每年有700多人"},{"start":8939.434,"end":8956.788,"text":"那在這個計畫呢是一個比較特別我們是主要是挑選比較優秀的然後給他們特殊的一個title那並不是說我們沒有在培養我們事實上每年大概有700多位只是這個向下的我們是第100位不是大家來都有"},{"start":8957.689,"end":8977.26,"text":"再來跟大家說明一下這個延攬資深學人。這個主要我們真的是用來延攬大部分都是所長跟我們資深的特聘研究員。這些人如果延攬到了之後,他們的薪水就會到各所中心去變成人事費,就不會用到這筆錢了。"},{"start":8981.422,"end":9002.296,"text":"這筆經費主要是用來支援這些所長們回來以後他們要設立他們的實驗室他們要開展新的所務等等相關需要使用的經費是在這裡跟大家說明一下然後剛剛張委員有提到還有各位有提到跟AI相關的倫理道德規範等等"},{"start":9003.317,"end":9027.194,"text":"我們院裡面現在成立了一個AI的這個推動辦公室那裡面有一個AI風險小組那這個風險小組呢我們有開會在討論在將來這些AI的計畫不管是個別的計畫或者是院裡面推動的我們都會做一些倫理道德規範的這些討論然後將來可能會設置一些規範"},{"start":9034.376,"end":9049.797,"text":"我們明年,我們現在正在摳一個AI在人物與自然科學相關的一個計畫,這些計畫將來我們也是每年會請這些拿到計畫的研究員提出報告,我們也會在他們的報告裡面做審視。"},{"start":9051.559,"end":9078.03,"text":"然後有委員提到有關中研學者的部分那去年是我們辦的第一屆今年是第二屆那因為這些中研學者我們是希望鼓勵臺灣的中生代的研究員所以我們老師們我們設的目標是他不能超過55歲他不能超過55歲然後我們是開放給全國大專院校那去年呢"},{"start":9079.91,"end":9107.997,"text":"院外的總共有4位獲選為中研學者然後每年給他大概有足夠的經費然後可以維持5年那所以這個我們沒有寫一開始沒有寫很明確的這個標準說怎麼審核因為不同領域的可能審核的標準會不一樣那也是等到今年以後往年我們每年都會請他們寫他們的進度報告那我們也要從裡面來看看"},{"start":9109.357,"end":9129.272,"text":"我們大概沒辦法寫說他每年要發表什麼樣的paper等等但是我們會以因為這個我們每年就只有選3到5名那所以標準是很高那這些院裡面會找院內外的學術專家形成這個審查的小組來做這個規範這樣子以上說明"},{"start":9134.13,"end":9154.004,"text":"不好意思,科委員我剛要補充一下那個42案的回應,就是科委員有提到我們現在有眾議院的這個獎學金加碼計畫,有國科會的、有教育部的,那事實上這三項計畫支持的學生是不同屬性的學生,所以其實目前並沒有跌穿價物的情況。"},{"start":9154.984,"end":9176.81,"text":"因為中央研究院的經費其實不可能支持到在大學就讀的學生所以在大學就讀的博士生他們原則上就會去申請國科會或者是教育部的錢那我們這邊如果拿到中央研究院的經費的話他們就不會再去擠壓到國科會跟教育部的錢所以我們在區分上面是有一開始就明確的設計好那這點請委員放心"},{"start":9179.707,"end":9208.058,"text":"好 那針對 你們還有 眾議院還沒講完是吧對 還沒有主席 各位委員我是環變中心永續中心陳玉高我來特別為了這個剛才幾位委員垂詢的天然氣 氣氛燃氣的這個百萬瓦級的基礎建置的這個案子 總共有10案這個案子行政院對項目已經核定過了所以我們現在編列預算正在審議中所以在我們的預算書裡面那它的"},{"start":9209.719,"end":9213.501,"text":"臺電負責發電機的部分,我們負責去碳燃氣的前面的機組的部分大概簡單跟大家報告是這樣的一個情況"},{"start":9237.073,"end":9255.606,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":9256.026,"end":9260.51,"text":"議員：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":9270.937,"end":9296.997,"text":"另外設備呢一億六千萬是因為除了我們自己有七八項的設備包括電漿電源供應器火炬系統集團設備增壓設備這幾大項我們需要自行研製需要逐項去採購設備然後彼此之間還有很多的不確定性在裡面所以還沒有很細的細節而且還因為採購的關係我們還可能還"},{"start":9300.379,"end":9324.509,"text":"不容易告訴大家現在廠商是哪一家但是呢事實上有八九項已經都編列在預算書裡面了這個今年的預算是這樣那又有委員問說我們跟台電的這個分配是如何TOTAL齊成四年十億綜藝院呢是用四億來研發我們的去碳燃氣的機組那台電呢是用六億去購置一個5.4MW的這個"},{"start":9328.891,"end":9344.125,"text":"燃氣發電機組然後他在做介面設施我們再把它配合起來這個是total期程是4年那第一年呢台電還不需要經費所以在編列的時候呢今年編的2億呢都是眾議院來開發我們區攤燃金機組來使用的"},{"start":9351.751,"end":9363.237,"text":"閣委員非常關心這些他成功的會是會供應我國有多少的這個電力那是不是會造成天然氣會要更多"},{"start":9364.398,"end":9391.38,"text":"我們反過來思考我國現在這麼多選項全部加起來其實還蠻勉強的那每一個選項在眾議院的政策建議書的角度裡面都希望不要放棄而且我們不可以預期的是未來10年20年的科技是不是可以幫我們做得更好這一部分眾議院希望說在每一個項目上都能夠現在就開始投入"},{"start":9391.96,"end":9401.069,"text":"既然要現在開始投入呢院長特別指示不是只有學界自己做所以我們每一個項目呢都跟業界一起"},{"start":9403.362,"end":9423.497,"text":"一起合作所以像這個去碳燃氣這個案子特別是跟台電就直接簽了MOU從小型的到中型的到大型的現階段這個機組其實是中型的5.4M 其實大家知道在台電的燃氣機組在廠房裡面都是500M"},{"start":9424.258,"end":9426.941,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":9436.926,"end":9457.017,"text":"到中火到這個通宵都已經考慮過了我們希望在他們換新機組的時候我們可以把我們的機組再放到100倍直接進去那為什麼這一次呢臺電選擇是是直接在興達因為興達有一個系統呢是他去年做好的就是混金系統"},{"start":9457.637,"end":9457.757,"text":"另外﹐"},{"start":9483.413,"end":9494.066,"text":"張委員問到說檢探的數據很抱歉我們沒有寫得太詳細我可以這邊簡單的說一下假如說我們現在所有的燃氣機組到了10%的混氣發電的話我們大概可以減少15個百萬噸的"},{"start":9501.073,"end":9518.698,"text":"二氧化碳排放,每年排放286,也就是差不多10%,如果是20%的話就會到30%,但是這個需要中型的完成之後,到大型再去部件的時候才會有這個數據出來,現階段還只是在技術開發的階段。"},{"start":9527.308,"end":9551.179,"text":"繼轉是不是直接給台電這個是現在的技術台電還不能直接用所以我們需要一起來合作開發到比較大型的機組所以將來這個技術會是台電跟中央醫院共同擁有那至於怎麼分配那將來我們做到一個程度之後呢月底的製裁處會跟台電來談這件事情我們就會比較明確的再來跟委員報告"},{"start":9552.92,"end":9573.319,"text":"還有科委問到法規我們也有一個計畫專門在研議說這個技術在佈建的過程中間到底會有碰到一些什麼樣的法規的困難那我們也列出了一些現階段我們知道的這個我們會把它寫在報告裡面我想就報告到這邊 謝謝"},{"start":9574.895,"end":9599.657,"text":"好 謝謝中研院各單位就是非常清楚的報告那有柯之恩跟張雅玲委員要補充一下不好意思大家報告非常的清楚但是國際社會還是沒有辦法幫我解決我的疑問我覺得你用書面的方法特別是你提出的這個報告我是以TIGP為例你還是沒有辦法解釋為什麼我們留台的人數跟過去幾年來說是比較少的"},{"start":9602.159,"end":9618.985,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":9618.985,"end":9621.547,"text":"我相信如果任何的博士生當然都會到中研院可是你也會擠壓了其他"},{"start":9644.621,"end":9673.172,"text":"教育部是最在這裡面所提出來的部分其實是最跟綜藝運比起來畢竟你們有一個很好的研究的團隊所以我還是要反駁其實它還是有互相焊隔的那這個部分裡面因為我們時間太多了是不是可以請事後到我辦公室或者是用書面的方法來呈現這個部分我是剛剛從你的解釋當中並沒有讓我覺得可以說服我的好不好這部分就書面後續書面再跟科委員說明那張雅琳委員"},{"start":9675.978,"end":9701.388,"text":"好,我想要針對研覽資深學員的部分喔,因為剛剛講說是那個定,我覺得我們最大的癥結點跟紅委員都在講,你定10個可是你諮詢率只有到3個,那這個問題到底是什麼?好,因為你每年都定10個嘛,剛剛我只有聽到你說什麼這是所長的緣額,可是你每年都是要招10個嗎?這是我的最大的疑問。第二個就是說,我們的就業金卡剛剛是說因為學生都不是很了解啊,說沒有請國發會啊,子學來去做宣導。"},{"start":9702.108,"end":9715.261,"text":"那我就想要了解那是不是可以定期的去追蹤我們宣導之後到底有多少人來申請有多少人成功那我們才知道是不是我們現在這個就業基金卡根本沒有吸引力好嗎?謝謝"},{"start":9718.164,"end":9744.533,"text":"還有吳佩儀委員我的提案58案感謝剛剛我們這個環境保健中心陳主任詳細的說明那去年泰蘭青是我們國家非常重大的中研院跟台電合作的計畫那原先因為你們在說明當中說行政院還在做審議階段剛剛陳主任是說已經合定通過了所以我要把我的這個凍結案就是改為主決議文"},{"start":9746.013,"end":9769.094,"text":"然後要非常的支持你們因為我想所有的研究發展這個沒有說一開始就保證百分之百跟棒球比賽一樣啦勝利不可能一開始保證百分之百但是一定要投入投入我們才有可能成功所以請你們也要好好加油務必要努力達到我們的目標謝謝OK我問一下剛剛佩玉委員講的是28案還是58案要改成主決議58是嗎?好謝謝"},{"start":9771.978,"end":9775.659,"text":"那再來黑盟委員要那個回第二輪那個羅廷文委員"},{"start":9781.394,"end":9802.435,"text":"好,謝謝您的回應,但是坦白講我覺得各位委員所提到的這個部分的疑慮跟擔憂我們也可以一起納入,不是說我們不支持計畫,我們會支持計畫但是這些疑慮我們也希望在未來這個計畫在推廣當中是不是一定要考量到相關的一些疑慮能不能去做一個解釋,或者是讓我們能夠去有具體的一個配套方案"},{"start":9803.215,"end":9821.074,"text":"我還是要跟院長再一次請託因為我覺得你是整個行政院甚至是總統直屬他的大腦你給總統能源政策的一些建議他可能會更願意去傾聽我在這次的諮詢當中我發現你是一個很務實的"},{"start":9824.497,"end":9846.397,"text":"我還是要再次的拜託不管是放大剛剛說的幾倍那既然去碳燃金能夠比天然氣這個部分來的直接燃燒可能會所排放的這個空污更少或者是相關的這些計畫我們既然要支持的話是不是在未來現在看到新達已經有這樣子的試驗它是中小型的嘛對不對"},{"start":9847.958,"end":9870.856,"text":"中火現在已經在做燃氣機組的一個部件二期的一個部件已經開始了那這些部件是持續的在有這個工程是不是能夠把一些燃氣機組換成去碳燃金我覺得這個部分是不是能夠去做一個研議既然已經要做燃氣機組了然後能夠用到這個去碳燃金的機組來取代天然氣的機組"},{"start":9871.817,"end":9871.877,"text":"議員：一、繼續審查"},{"start":9893.268,"end":9906.596,"text":"議員﹚"},{"start":9907.94,"end":9929.188,"text":"謝謝羅庭薇委員還有沒有人 萬美玲委員我簡單補充一下那個二十案因為剛才二十案有做的一個說明那個說明是在提說我們有編列了三千萬在這個宿舍的部分我們要做一個外牆的維修因為其實也年老失修了不過因為在今年度我們知道有編了一千八百萬"},{"start":9930.288,"end":9955.501,"text":"那這1800萬呢我剛去跟這個副院長瞭解一下我們也已經就是相關的案子也都發報出去了在執行中但是一直沒有辦法跟我講說那這個1800萬我們在今年度是要做整個外牆維修的多少趴那如果說今年已經是完成了百分之百那這3000萬當然就不用再編了所以呢這個數據只不能出來喔那我想說我們不可能有一棟建築物在那的地方每一年我們都要編3000萬3000萬這樣一直去做一個維修"},{"start":9957.882,"end":9975.08,"text":"因為這一筆經費無關乎研發、人事、人才培育等等所以我覺得應該要說明白就在這一點我想我還是堅持先把這3000萬做凍結那我們可以做說明以後那我們在說明完畢以後要解凍我們再來使用 以上"},{"start":9976.636,"end":10002.985,"text":"好 那個剛剛有些委員的詢問應該你們可以事後就是書面或者是直接說明喔那如果沒有一定要現在說明的話我們就直接討論因為這個節目已經講很久了齁討論那個凍結好嗎因為剛剛大家都有提到對減少空啊各方面啊就是對綜藝院期待很深喔所以我們是不是少動一點跟外美領委員你是要針對那個還是希望凍結3000萬我們還是整個並動好嗎"},{"start":10005.926,"end":10008.347,"text":"是不是...因為我們都是一起整目並動啦是不是我們整個"},{"start":10031.432,"end":10052.592,"text":"三千會不會太多了?因為其他很多是兩百、一百五十之類的。我想主席我表達一下。其實我們在動的時候其實不是多跟少,而是要有充分的理由,我們才來動。因為動的目的是什麼?是要讓這個預算執行是更有效率,因為這是人民的納稅錢嘛。所以我覺得如果說清楚的話,其實沒有三根洞的必要,但是就是能不能說明白。"},{"start":10053.353,"end":10071.816,"text":"那這樣子是不是一千萬就好啊?因為這個反正一千跟三千都...院長說一百萬,但是這樣大家可能不...那再說明一下好不好?我相信不只我不清楚,應該大家聽了都不太清楚嘛"},{"start":10072.456,"end":10099.4,"text":"國際生研究宿舍這是整棟四個面整棟一起辦的這個招標案這個招標案發包就是4800萬發包就是這個4800萬讓他做兩年但是第二年的預算一定要經過立法院通過才能夠付給他所以他不是一年一年一年的編是一個包案已經標出去的4800萬所以我們會後當然是可以跟委員來報告所以希望這種支持他是一個標案已經是標出去的案子是以上"},{"start":10100.987,"end":10113.207,"text":"我想他說明得蠻清楚,那是不是五百萬,雖然院長希望一百萬。可是我希望台中控務界透過他們的尖端研究,就是說我們就..."},{"start":10114.451,"end":10137.181,"text":"一定啊,一定,好,那個科學委員不是,我們可不可以提出一個,因為我們這邊這個目是叫一般學術研究跟評議啊但是萬美玲所提的這是比較屬於基本行政的這個維護費我覺得跟這個整目,如果說從不從整目來動,其實會引發非常多的一個爭議好像我們教育文化委員會對於這個所謂學術跟這個評鑑我個人覺得他們會整目來去看的話,是否在這個"},{"start":10138.622,"end":10165.251,"text":"這一幕當中可以在學術交流部分我們動個100因為我當初有提出來然後在萬委員的這一塊當中基本行政工這個部分當中特別來不管是500或是1000這樣把它做一個區隔倒可不用一定要整幕來動這樣否則大家要背負的你看這個大廈幕可是裡面卻是一個在宿舍的外牆這個部分裡面是有一些區隔的所以說是不是可以在這一幕當中分了兩大部分一個是在學術的部分我們動個100"},{"start":10166.491,"end":10180.112,"text":"然後在其他的這個行政的基本工作裡面動個一千或者是就尊重提出委員我覺得這樣比較清楚因為它真的是兩塊不同的領域我覺得這樣比較清楚可是因為我們之前都是整幕整幕等一下會不會每個委員都說他那一刻要單獨提出來動"},{"start":10183.215,"end":10204.227,"text":"我複印一下,我覺得科研委員剛剛講的其實很正確因為這是完全兩塊不同的科目那如果其實在學術的部分我們就微微動這一百我覺得OK但是我剛剛提的這個部分的話其實跟剛剛後面的學術研究是沒有關係的我覺得也不要讓大家產生一些誤解"},{"start":10205.087,"end":10219.06,"text":"我想為了節省時間跟維持慣例我們還是就整目動一千萬反正他那個也是放在這裡頭嘛院長覺得怎麼樣好不好整目一千就全部一起因為我們都是整目過去都整目整目動對對不起我們想要第10屆我們第9屆的時候沒有這個問題所以這個第9屆沒有這個問題我當召委沒有這個問題啊"},{"start":10230.95,"end":10234.773,"text":"但是我們過去第10屆都是整戶整戶一起動嗎?對於所有的委員來說所承受的壓力會比較少因為你基本行政工作跟這個學術這個基本上這個是差蠻多的"},{"start":10249.108,"end":10273.992,"text":"主席不然這樣好不好我覺得這樣好不好我提一個建議啦因為我們剛剛說整目動一千萬嘛但是事實上我們剛剛前面有提到說學術研究學術研究的部分是一百萬那其實我們總共也只差一百萬所以我覺得把它分開來我覺得對於我們所有的委員在這個審查預算上會比較清楚我們動的是什麼我是擔心等一下每一幕都要這樣有人要堅持特別的理由的話我們這個整個處理會變得非常的複雜"},{"start":10277.353,"end":10301.109,"text":"因為如果林一金委員跟秀寶委員,記得我們過去這四年都是整目一起併嘛,不單獨討論個別的。否則每個委員都要強調自己的案子的重要性。這個我告訴你,我覺得整目來動其實會造成更多的紛擾。以教育部來說的話,你把這個所謂的什麼都放在一起,我個人覺得這還是要分開。我提議不然我們整目一起動五百萬好不好?那個院長你覺得?朝委"},{"start":10306.154,"end":10334.919,"text":"現在是第11屆啦這第10屆有第10屆的做法第9屆有第9屆的做法第10屆有第11屆的做法我覺得都要尊重委員那還有我們開宗明義就強調就像我的提案中研院有先跟我溝通我也認為說有一些我可以改成主決議但是實際上現在大家討論的就是人才培育的部分我們凍結並不是不支持人才培育是要求是落實預算的執行"},{"start":10335.839,"end":10344.983,"text":"所以,如果說你說要整目動的話,不好意思,這一個目有多大呢?74億6千多萬。那我們現在討論100萬、200萬,連不要說1%啊,連0.1%都不到。"},{"start":10353.277,"end":10368.252,"text":"所以我比較支持是我們個別委員我自己的提案不一定堅持因為我已經有一些提案我可以接受這個解釋可是我們有一些委員提案如果說他是要有個別的一個項目部分我覺得召委應該要尊重啦"},{"start":10368.812,"end":10368.932,"text":"吳培宇委員"},{"start":10396.078,"end":10416.81,"text":"所以我是認為其實這兩岸都是學術交流研究因為我們這一個宿舍是國際研究生宿舍就是我們希望可以吸引國際的人才來到台灣然後跟我們有研究方面的交流相關所以我不認為說你說他只是宿舍那就是分開是行政費其實這兩等都是叫做我們的人才培育計畫好那個林議員有沒有話發言對"},{"start":10425.947,"end":10440.947,"text":" ﹏﹏"},{"start":10443.429,"end":10468.127,"text":"議員提出的預算提案都要來做討論那可能我們今天的討論可能就還要再好幾個小時所以我還是建議說用每一幕讓大家發言之後然後用筒動的方式那當然這個中央也可以自行去做一些調整那所以可能會比較OK啦我覺得這是對世界的掌握也可能比較精準以上"},{"start":10469.847,"end":10495.398,"text":"好,那這個院長要表達意見嗎?尊重尊重齁那整目的話因為剛剛我們說五百萬有人覺得萬美齡會員覺得整目院長希望五百萬啦不然這樣子啦就是說今天我還是覺得在這個部分其實沒有錯因為上一屆我們一樣都在教育文化委員會"},{"start":10496.398,"end":10512.925,"text":"整目的用意是因為整目整目其實預算的類型是類似的所以我們都用整目來看然後充分討論所以上一天是這樣沒有錯但是剛好這個比較特別一點因為在學術研究上面其實我們大概沒有太大的意見我們都是盡量給予支持"},{"start":10513.285,"end":10531.886,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":10532.383,"end":10558.41,"text":"但是我是覺得要分開還是要分開因為我們剛剛說因為我們這個慣例好不容易過去四年大家覺得這樣處理很效率美國人也不用去爭論說哪一個案要不要去弄那因為這樣子我們未來不只是中研院還有教育部還有故宮還有就是文化部的那美國人都要去爭議說他自己的案子我是覺得我們就一起那我們就尊重主席我在因為我們有會議"},{"start":10559.15,"end":10560.471,"text":"學人交流宿舍相關?放在器材下嗎?"},{"start":10581.165,"end":10598.83,"text":"但是因為這是放在學術交流我們是不是就一起因為我們這個都是逐字稿的是不是就一起那個中一千萬院長你就同意吧要不然我們再下來會很難處理等一下委員爭取說他個別的東西要分開處理的話因為你有會議記錄大家都會聽啊有逐字稿就知道他是針對這個部分"},{"start":10610.942,"end":10627.628,"text":"院長覺得OK嗎?主席剛剛院長都說尊重了嘛那我現在主席提議就我們整幕就動一千萬因為剛剛外媒聯緣需要分開九百一百我覺得乾脆還是我們整幕一起反正知道是各個委員的考量不一樣好嗎?"},{"start":10630.78,"end":10655.095,"text":"我看好幾位委員那個我想我們是作為新的立法委員那當然有人說慣例啦我們都尊重慣例但是目前委員我們看到萬美林委員跟柯委員對對也是一千但是我們分開嘛但是我想萬美林委員跟柯委員有說到分開我們等一下就很難處理因為剛剛其他委員都沒有去堅持自己的好張雅琳委員要發言她沒發言過我們給她講"},{"start":10656.533,"end":10662.435,"text":"吳佩儀委員原則上我們都是尊重委員的提案但是這個我真的我想要堅持是因為我不認為說在學術研究你硬體軟體拆開"},{"start":10684.241,"end":10706.754,"text":"就像我們在討論大學裡面要提升教學品質宿舍的品質要提升軟硬體它是整體研究培育人才的一部分所以我是不認同把它拆開因為我們要提供好的環境才會吸引優秀的人才來到台灣我們彼此互相切磋學術才會來提升這都是人才培育的一部分所以我還是想要堅持應該是不能拆開來看"},{"start":10710.436,"end":10735.186,"text":"那個我們議事員建議一個處理方式啊就是動一千萬裡面註明說含學術研究一百萬但我們還是整目動這樣大家看得懂了好嗎我們就這樣一個折衷吧這樣我們就不用浪費時間我們就繼續下去就是整體還是整目一起我們待會還是整目一起討論但是我們現在這樣清楚講還是整目一起動就不要破壞這個討論房子"},{"start":10738.747,"end":10765.939,"text":"不會啊,因為等一下有別的委員要提出要針對個案動很忙。謝謝竹蜜喔,那竹蜜剛剛提出來的是顯然她同意嘛,就是說我們是分開只是變但書,但如果我們同意這個方向事實上柯委員剛剛提的是更清楚的。不是,她的意思是說整幕還是動一千,但是著名就是學術交流是一百萬。沒關係啦,我想竹蜜還是會接這個,我覺得竹蜜只是提議啦,但是還是要我們所有的委員在審議算是為主體。"},{"start":10769.519,"end":10769.639,"text":"吳佩儀委員發言"},{"start":10793.971,"end":10813.741,"text":"我都不曉得為什麼就叫開一個例子基本上以前在你如果要講過去的話我覺得以前的話你每一個目下面的不同的一個這個向度來去做大家更很清楚哪一個地方是被動哪一個地方是被刪大家反而更清楚我覺得這是一個小事啦但是也不是說軟硬體要如何我只是不不"},{"start":10814.261,"end":10814.281,"text":"委員會議長"},{"start":10834.787,"end":10862.381,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":10863.522,"end":10881.837,"text":"羅廷威委員要再發言嗎?我建議就是依照議事員這個建議然後我們就繼續往下走好不好?剛剛議事員的建議我們整目動1000萬然後做明就是裡面學術交流是動100萬"},{"start":10884.602,"end":10912.338,"text":"議長你很有經驗主席我們還是先休息大家討論一下那我們休息那個五分鐘大家討論一下先補充一下我覺得啦其實我們現在在審啦其實我們的預算的編列就是款、項、目、節那其實我們剛剛講的這些都是應該是同一節的所以是同一節的它只是說用途不同那你把它放在一起那你把它註明就是說你這一千裡面有一百是什麼有九百是什麼那其實它是同一節裡面的預算只是用途不同而已啊"},{"start":10914.336,"end":10917.523,"text":"主席才是我們休息五分鐘,五分鐘後再繼續討論。"},{"start":10930.14,"end":10930.461,"text":"主席"},{"start":10952.537,"end":10952.977,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":10965.905,"end":10966.445,"text":"一旦動…一旦動…動…動…動…動…動…動…動…動…動…動…動…動…"},{"start":10994.684,"end":11013.746,"text":"議員．﹖"},{"start":11013.866,"end":11018.71,"text":"關於其他部分,我們不希望這個學術部門給大家配到的問題來,這個學術部門一百萬是反而在學術部門給拿得到的問題來嗎?"},{"start":11031.98,"end":11051.698,"text":"外媒的委員是針對這種制度還是針對這種制度?你本來說我們卡在這個地方對著我們好像全部...你本來讓我們背上了我們動其他學術的這樣一個領域。好,我只是想問一下,這次議員有建議說...啊你這次議員建議的不是跟我當初的那種不一樣嗎?你以前在第9屆這是在過,你當然知道我們那時候的說法,你說這個不一樣。"},{"start":11054.98,"end":11066.203,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":11079.998,"end":11090.445,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案"},{"start":11109.497,"end":11127.5,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":11127.82,"end":11128.16,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":11151.823,"end":11157.09,"text":"一百的部分是整部分,那九千九百的部分是整部分。"},{"start":11169.164,"end":11169.464,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":11187.595,"end":11194.942,"text":"這個反而比較清楚啊。我們第九屆的時候還比較清楚,好不好?不反,這樣子比較清楚。學術研究我們都已經審嘛。學術研究你這樣一動牌是讓我們覺得。所以這個就重新不能讓他們去打嗎?"},{"start":11213.391,"end":11214.792,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":11247.176,"end":11262.176,"text":"議員．﹏"},{"start":11263.637,"end":11271.164,"text":"全部全部的工程?一個工程案的全部?可以啦,可以啦,沒問題沒問題,我們現在只要拿麥克風OK,沒問題啊。小的事情。"},{"start":11288.557,"end":11298.761,"text":"二十案動九百 萬委員 二十案動九百其他動一百這樣可以嗎?可以啊 一百就是這樣子啊這是很明確的把它標示出來二十案動九百"},{"start":11301.842,"end":11307.588,"text":"對,但是我們也沒辦法保證,就這樣打保證,沒辦法保證說一定會成功在南京,所以現在已經曉得太多了,我已經知道不曉得了。對,"},{"start":11326.306,"end":11327.447,"text":"我們找到解方了啦"},{"start":11348.308,"end":11376.162,"text":"那個我們繼續開會喔那我想我們這個部分就從20到33案動900萬其他動100萬好嗎這樣就維持萬美林委員維持我們認為比較有效率處方式那也完成萬美林針對那個基本行政工作維持費好不好當然都是以上都是書面報告之後才解凍"},{"start":11377.449,"end":11379.71,"text":"那我再來把主決議說面報告後才能解凍。好,就是您說的。院長是不是先回應我一下17案?"},{"start":11404.121,"end":11427.954,"text":"關於說羅委員要提說要向這個政府爭取在中火做用巨蛋燃氣那我們當然會極力爭取除了中火之外我們更希望在全國各地的所有的天然氣場都將來都有機會能夠做到用巨蛋燃氣當然要看說我們的研發是否順利但是我們會朝這個方向努力"},{"start":11428.795,"end":11448.112,"text":"我稍微提醒一下我不是說在增加機組了因為6加6已經很多了是說從原本的這個6部燃氣機組裡面是不是捨去掉換成你們的去碳燃金這部分來做一個研議不要再增加了就是在原本的量去做一個更換去研究一下可行性這樣子好這個可行性我們會研究"},{"start":11453.05,"end":11464.815,"text":"修正一下是20到28案動900萬其他100萬那以下我把主決議已經改主決議的念一下請大家聽一下第18案第19案22案23案26案27案44案49案51案57案58案改成主決議以上有沒有漏掉"},{"start":11478.916,"end":11479.176,"text":"第3幕59-65案"},{"start":11500.242,"end":11518.939,"text":"59案第65案有沒有哪一位委員要發言很快好那個柯之恩羅廷偉好很快因為我第61案好像跟剛剛范委員裡面第18、19其實還蠻雷同的就是有關於這個中研院他上架繁體中文的這個語言模型嘛那我知道上次我在質詢的時候已經特別提過了"},{"start":11519.6,"end":11542.442,"text":"你們因為有出現中國式的回答已經把它下架了然後中研院也成立了AI風險研究小組那目前也有不少的這個大型的語言模型的開發計畫我還是要強調了因為政府應該投注更多的資源在這個繁體的中文資料庫的一個建構啦我覺得這會比你現在打造一個最會講台灣語言的模型更具有長期的一個效應"},{"start":11543.323,"end":11543.483,"text":"羅丁威委員"},{"start":11564.131,"end":11589.75,"text":"我是第62萬那其實這個東西跟第8案有點就是相似啦那我沒有這麼的一定要我可以把它改成說是主決議但最主要我要講的是說這筆錢不是針對老師是針對這個人士那我想還是希望有一個具體的因為已經違反這個就業服務法所以我們希望後面要怎麼去改進希望能夠給我們一個更明確的一個具體作為謝謝"},{"start":11591.69,"end":11592.671,"text":"第3幕 第4幕"},{"start":11618.752,"end":11632.73,"text":"改組決議的案有61案、62案。好。那我們進入第4幕。林益錦委員、然後陳秀寶委員、郭育晴委員、柯志恩委員、張雅琳委員。張雅琳委員。"},{"start":11638.442,"end":11655.154,"text":"好 謝謝主席第四幕我有三個案子因為是南部院區那我分別來講一下首先是70案70案這案就是說我非常關心我們的硬體設施設備"},{"start":11656.615,"end":11672.701,"text":"南部園區現在研究三樓的三棟都已經完工可是有部分的研究大樓的空間還沒有進駐使用像是第一棟的研究大樓可使用的這個坪數還有五層還沒有用那第三棟的研究大樓的B棟的一、二樓是要招商使用那規劃是要做生活機能、餐廳等等"},{"start":11677.363,"end":11678.944,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算"},{"start":11706.903,"end":11708.004,"text":"：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":11730.984,"end":11745.761,"text":"第76案第76案我上次質詢的時候有提到就是我比較關心就是所謂我們南部院區這個開放跟兒童科普日因為我們南部開放是"},{"start":11746.281,"end":11747.362,"text":"：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":11764.135,"end":11786.88,"text":"三十五場其實第一次舉辦來看這樣是很不錯可是如果我們跟北部動輒上百場的規模相比當然還有一些差距那另外我就提到說就是兒童科普日期待說南部是不是還也可以來辦相關的活動可以比照北部有一樣的兒童科普日未來再來就是說也期待說我們"},{"start":11788.456,"end":11788.516,"text":"議員．一、繼續審查"},{"start":11806.954,"end":11830.111,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":11830.111,"end":11848.599,"text":"所以這個部分 這個提案其實是可以改成主決議那來做一個建議那另外第77案就是說我身為台南的委員我還是非常的關注中研院南部院區的工程進度那除了這個就是量子的科技"},{"start":11849.159,"end":11850.1,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":11868.8,"end":11872.041,"text":"：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":11896.101,"end":11898.683,"text":"謝謝林議員我確認一下你是70、76、77都是改組決議嗎好 謝謝那再來陳秀寶委員請發言好 謝謝主席在這一幕南部縣區的部分我的案子是兩個案子73案以及第80案那73案其實剛剛我已經委員所關心的這個南部縣區的這個縣區維護及興建工程這期間因為"},{"start":11922.499,"end":11944.808,"text":"次次的流標之後我們有修正應該是有檢証就刪除一些相關的預算之後我們修正計劃因為這樣子說我們工程就往後延了嘛期程本來是到116年延到117年那終於也是在22號就已經舉行凍土儀式那其實我提這個案子本來預計的凍結數是1000萬"},{"start":11948.109,"end":11960.135,"text":"是希望說督促我們我們要來對這個南部邊區的這個工程必須要有更積極的態度然後你們應該要就是在整個的監督的這個"},{"start":11962.09,"end":11962.15,"text":"關於關鍵議題研究"},{"start":11991.178,"end":11993.22,"text":"除了助理人員工讀生薪資以外,一期設備及搬運費高達800多萬元,還有乾式稀釋能動機兩台的費用高達1億2千多萬元。"},{"start":12007.452,"end":12008.693,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":12035.17,"end":12055.858,"text":"關於這個人員的編制其實我會比較關心就是說看起來薪資這麼高的部分裡面是因為說他是合理的薪資待遇還是我剛剛一直在關心的是不是有超時假班還是有什麼在工作上的壓力這個部分我會希望說我們是一個好的勞動條件因為我們本來要招募人才就已經很不容易了"},{"start":12055.998,"end":12082.961,"text":"⋯⋯"},{"start":12084.431,"end":12106.152,"text":"好,謝謝秀寶委員,那再來請郭育琴委員,等一下柯志恩委員好,那這個部分我是那個第68案那南部園區其實發展量子科技跟新建實驗大樓的規劃那我們知道其實從110年7月或行政院同意之後其實我們在112年的8月30有公開的一個月欄"},{"start":12109.155,"end":12131.698,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":12131.718,"end":12131.738,"text":"委員會長"},{"start":12157.17,"end":12160.971,"text":"謝謝郭育琴委員再來我們請柯志恩委員發言下一個張雅琳委員葛如君委員先發言等一下張雅琳再來柯志恩、羅廷偉、洪孟凱"},{"start":12183.497,"end":12209.104,"text":"好,謝謝主席,謝謝柯志文委員那第4幕的部分呢71跟78案我們就支持併案那第81案呢我們是支持組決議啦那剛剛第3幕的有一個地方第64案呢關於中研院歐美索的業務費我們當然也是支持併案到改為組決議但是有一些地方我們不好意思就想要說明一下"},{"start":12210.445,"end":12237.188,"text":"這個中英歐美所的業務費在質詢的時候我們之前有提過這個美國肖像的調查研究問卷設計其實是稍微不太符合研究方法論的要求比如說第13題有提到美國總統公開承諾保衛台灣對於未來美國台灣出兵幫助台灣的可能性減少還是增加或者第20題中國大陸近來派軍機軍艦繞行台灣空域對於中國大陸未來攻打台灣的可能性是增加還是減少"},{"start":12237.648,"end":12250.431,"text":"他甚至在問問題的時候減少增加或增加減少他還會刻意的有點去做一點安排這種有點引導性的問題在這整份問卷裡面反覆出現有可能會影響民眾的選擇這樣問卷做出來的研究可能會正確性會受到大家的質疑甚至中議院最後還開了記者會"},{"start":12256.773,"end":12272.549,"text":"所以這份問卷沒有設計題組來鑒別相關的瞭解程度對於美國政治的瞭解程度所以問到的人很可能根本不知道川普是誰這是哪一個政黨的候選人也不知道他對台灣的政策是什麼就直接在第24題問說假設川普勝選成為美國總統且中國大陸攻打台灣直接的假設"},{"start":12278.134,"end":12304.797,"text":"說你認為美國出兵幫助台灣的可能性是減少還是增加同樣的問題也沒有去假設當時民主黨的候選人拜登如果當選的話會怎麼樣所以這個外界其實有懷疑的所以為什麼我們很在意這個議題是因為之前院長有表達支持這個學術的自主但是研究要應該有一定的科學性如果我們研究沒有科學性我們不管在討論什麼樣預算的時候都會有影響跟疑慮"},{"start":12305.658,"end":12334.737,"text":"我們在預算溝通的時候有把疑慮直接反映給歐美索的黃副所長在場所有來溝通的中研院的老師也親眼看過這份問卷確實認為內容不妥會後我們也收到歐美索的回覆表示將會把這個研究聯同問卷一起送交外審外審的結果再由所內所召開的審查委員會做成通過或不通過的決議如果不通過就不會再補助該研究案在此還是要請問中研院假設外審的結果審查委員的意見是負面大於正面"},{"start":12335.237,"end":12353.902,"text":"有沒有可能審查委員會忽視外審的結果還是會給予通過審查委員會做成決議的依據是什麼那更重要的是要如何避免未來有帶有這樣特定立場的研究以中央院的名義來發表那預算的部分我們理解就是剛剛已經有同意就是說"},{"start":12355.743,"end":12370.472,"text":"但本案後續處理的結果我們跟歐美所的鄧所長有達成共識就是說包括外審以及院內學術審查的結果中央院必須在2月底以前以書面方式回覆本辦公室也謝謝主席讓我們可以做一些這個說明謝謝"},{"start":12372.176,"end":12394.386,"text":"好,那個第三幕就再補一下32案、50案、64案照列喔,那我們就不再回去討論,那書面報告的話就回去,就各自去書面報告。那第四幕我們,還有陳培委員26案跟27案齁,是併在一起。好,那再來我們請那個柯之恩委員,欸不是柯之恩委員,對不起張雅琳委員先齁。抱歉抱歉,那個張雅琳委員。"},{"start":12400.543,"end":12426.453,"text":"好,我的案是第66案那主要是因為希望南部院區增加吸引力增加誘因讓人才可以過去我們也了解說現在就是進駐的人員不夠多所以其實很難吸引到我們的廠商來進駐但是還是希望中央研院可以積極來努力那另外一個部分就是休閒的設施因為它都是這麼高壓的研究有沒有一些相關的休閒設施的規劃可以幫助大家減壓那這一個案"},{"start":12429.214,"end":12447.936,"text":"這個案我不堅持,所以我可以改成主決議,謝謝。好,謝謝張雅琳委員。再來柯志恩委員發言。是,我那個第74跟75案,其他幾位委員都已經關切過了就有關實驗大樓新建的問題,包括流標,包括進度,包括量子科技研究基地,大家都已經看過了。"},{"start":12448.336,"end":12449.316,"text":" ﹝中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":12477.025,"end":12501.717,"text":"我是69案吼,那我這沒有這麼堅持啦,我可以改組決議。謝謝。好,那我是67案吼,我想67案的部分還是一樣,就是說現在大家都希望是說能夠趕快進駐研究空間,那但是到目前為止還沒有,我想還是要請院長這邊來做一個說明,那另外就是"},{"start":12503.177,"end":12520.209,"text":"之前我們這個同仁還來跟本席這邊來溝通的時候還有講是說現在媒合這個什麼這個外送平台啊還是什麼這個在做我心裡在想這個真的不需要中研院來做啦一般的民眾他們就說我們的研究人自己就會去按了"},{"start":12520.829,"end":12545.268,"text":"所以我們還是強調的是說怎麼樣能夠發揮我們南部縣區的一個效能以及讓大家都能夠滿足最基本的十一住行你才有可能讓這個我們同仁能夠在這邊比較無後顧之憂啦這一點是不是說明一下好不好謝謝好謝謝洪孟楷委員那針對第四幕如果沒有委員要發言的話我們就請中研院一起回應好那個哪一位回應"},{"start":12552.743,"end":12572.626,"text":"檢要回應阿對 謝謝委員那有關於這個工程的部分是沒有問題但是整個生活機能跟服務設施運動設施和洪委員剛剛提到的部分我們這個地區的狀況確實是還沒有那麼完善我們會積極加強努力的去提升我們這個環境讓我們的研究人員跟研究量能在這邊能夠好好發揮以上"},{"start":12575.161,"end":12577.464,"text":"主決意都遵照辦理"},{"start":12591.288,"end":12610.225,"text":"我們先處理那個凍結的部分,那我們整個就凍,因為剛剛有委員好像講的都是100萬,整個並凍100萬第4幕,好嗎?書面報告後解凍,書面規劃報告後解凍。那主決的部分我念一下,大家看有沒有漏掉的。66案、69案、70案、73案、76案、77案、80案改組決議。"},{"start":12618.752,"end":12632.508,"text":"其實沒有。其實沒有。其實沒有。有漏掉嗎?81也是主決議。來,教委6767也是改主決議是吧?好,67案。68也改主決議,再加67跟68。"},{"start":12633.969,"end":12659.969,"text":"但是 抱歉 趙薇 如果說這樣的話真的 因為剛院長講說 盡力啊 快速啊 大力啊時程表要規劃 規劃表是不是 因為我們要求說改主角 但是一個月內 那個規劃表要出來一個月內書面報告規劃表給他們好不好就是說 你的期程到底 因為我們很多委員級都講 生活機能 運動設施我想 這一些部分就不是說 我們這希望能夠促進那個地方 完整"},{"start":12660.469,"end":12661.49,"text":"第4幕處理完畢我們現在進入第5幕在第7頁大家看一下第5幕下一個就是主決議"},{"start":12690.711,"end":12719.403,"text":"好 那個科研委員先還有哪位委員要發言的好 洪孟楷委員好 那個我提案是84案跟89案不過中原有來溝通過畢竟我們84案是針對這個有關於新型疾病的這樣子的開發計案那我們希望中原能夠加速這個成果的計轉這很重要那因為來溝通過所以我也相信就是說因為目前計畫正在努力商品化所以我同意改成主決議但是還是希望中原盡快來落實"},{"start":12720.583,"end":12744.499,"text":"那89案是有關於生技研究的園區課金問題那我有特別提出來有些時候是要提供給這個食藥署作為辦公廳這個社長達4年被質疑如果廠商要進駐的話會被影響不過尊嚴願意來溝通那有解釋會再擴增你們這個優秀廠商來進駐的彈性的空間所以這案這個84跟89我也同意把它改為組決議"},{"start":12747.254,"end":12772.651,"text":"好 謝謝科智恩委員再來洪孟楷委員好 感謝我的是83案83案這邊我也希望是說能夠有加速計轉的一個商品化不過另外我也同意就是說因為之前中研院這邊有來跟溝通也是講說有些時候我們真的有這個技術但不一定它市場上有這樣的一個需求所以你說有沒有辦法很如實的來商品化這不一定"},{"start":12775.753,"end":12802.711,"text":"拜託我這個案子可以改成主決議,但我也拜託未來我們的研究發展上面還是以這個比較這個大眾的一個部分的需求部分來做一個研究發展的一個方向。我想不管是過去的COVID或者是說相關的一個疫苗研究等等的,我們可以支持中研院的一個研究,但我們也希望是真的能夠把它的學以致用能落實到我們的一個日常。以上謝謝。"},{"start":12803.672,"end":12804.713,"text":"蘿婷薇委員發言"},{"start":12824.378,"end":12848.22,"text":"好,82案也改成主決議那如果沒有委員要發言的話我們第5幕就照列那我們現在進入改成主決議的有83、84、89跟8282、83、84、89改成主決議好88案也改成主決議還有沒有漏掉哪一個案子"},{"start":12849.502,"end":12870.275,"text":"好 對 那個條列齁 大家等一下可以來前面查一下這邊都有記錄好不好 如果擔心自己漏掉的話 因為剛剛我都有宣讀 好 那個 好 剛剛有講過了齁 對 前面剛剛那個第三幕的3、2、50、64也是改決議 88也改組決議 好 那如果這邊都沒有問題的話 我們就進入組決議"},{"start":12878.464,"end":12903.18,"text":"主決議第90案陳培宇委員的遭案辦理。91案陳培宇委員遭案辦理。92案遵照辦理。93案羅廷瑞委員的修正文字後遵照辦理。94案林建啟委員的遵照辦理。95林建啟委員的修正文字後遭案辦理。就是遭案通過。遭案辦理。"},{"start":12905.823,"end":12926.693,"text":"96 業源支委員修正通過97 業源支委員修正通過98 萬美林委員修正通過99 萬美林委員修正通過100 萬美林委員修正通過101 陳秀寶委員修正通過102 張雅琳委員修正通過103 張雅琳委員遵照辦理"},{"start":12927.913,"end":12947.266,"text":"104張雅玲的遵照辦理105張雅玲已經撤案106張雅玲遵照辦理107張雅玲修正通過108吳春成遵照辦理109吳春成遵照辦理105吳春成修正通過115春成遵照辦理120怡錦遵照辦理1130怡錦遵照辦理"},{"start":12957.533,"end":12984.775,"text":"好 那這個預算案剛剛改組決議的是有第一案、第二案、第九案、第十案、十三、十八、十九、二二、二三、二七、三二、四九、五十、五一、五七、五八、六一、六二改稱組決議應該都沒有意義沒有意見我們就通過好那我們現在進入基金大家加油基金應該很快"},{"start":12986.803,"end":13005.936,"text":"請大家拿出另外一本基金沒有多少就兩頁對不對我們就一起討論好了好不好基金就一起好那個柯之恩、張雅玲、陳秀寶、郭育晴領一頂"},{"start":13008.083,"end":13017.547,"text":"好了大家時間通常是在吃飯之前我媽媽說吃飯之前不要給人家講太多話好不好各位所以呢我就把可以變成主角因為中研都來溝通過所以我的第6案簡單的來講我覺得因為我自己個人"},{"start":13024.149,"end":13036.904,"text":"覺得因為是針對中研院在建構固體資產的部分包括這些電腦設備等等之類的使用執行率都比較偏低嘛只有四到六成所以呢每年都要辦理預算保留而且你在112年度的預算保留達到五億六千"},{"start":13041.088,"end":13065.583,"text":"所以說相關的計畫保留超過8年非常的不合理啦真的是不合理所以溝通之後呢我考量到中研院有必要的構制所謂同意改列就是說第6案凍結100萬好不好希望中研院能夠提出相關改善的這個部分那第9案呢因為他的成果保護然後維護這個這個所謂的專利的維護次數希望能夠有所提升然後我也"},{"start":13066.583,"end":13067.603,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關於你們對於"},{"start":13093.328,"end":13093.668,"text":"總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":13111.215,"end":13112.815,"text":"第16案的部分我還是認為需要做一些的凍結因為你們是你們的合併頂尖特殊人才的計畫是要來共併"},{"start":13140.202,"end":13144.687,"text":"國內外的這個頂尖學者啊但這些年執行都還是一樣都是執行成效不是太好啊你看你們這個數據會說話嗎108到112執行率只有110只有111年可以達到54其他都低於五成啊"},{"start":13154.718,"end":13172.381,"text":"議員．﹏"},{"start":13173.022,"end":13199.644,"text":"檢討辦理相關的計劃的必要性那最後在21案裡面進行排放大家其實給予很大的一個期待但是呢說實在的113年9月抵制你們的質詢率真的是只有26.06這之前我有質疑過那你們有解釋有關於儀器採購組裝需要評估測試要花時間溝通所以也承諾年底現在已經11月了要年底前改善所以我也同意21案也改成組決議"},{"start":13200.965,"end":13227.192,"text":"所以就只有兩案是希望能夠凍結一百萬來希望能夠得到更清楚的一個規劃計劃好不好?好 謝謝柯志恩委員再我們請張雅玲委員發言等一下陳秀寶、郭育晴、林井、羅廷瑋好 那我的提案是第12案跟第17案那第12案也是就是說我們在這個提升學術研究品質及學術競爭力方面113年度截至6月底前"},{"start":13228.152,"end":13243.413,"text":"其開集專書論文發表僅達730篇,距離年度目標2230篇,相差甚遠。那你們給我的回覆是說,因為如果只有用1113年到6月底的數字來看的話,可能評估是有"},{"start":13243.573,"end":13246.715,"text":"第17屆基金附屬單位預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案有關中央政府總預算案"},{"start":13266.51,"end":13267.151,"text":"閱议委員會提供參考及監督"},{"start":13288.341,"end":13288.662,"text":"陳秀寶委員陳秀寶委員"},{"start":13304.992,"end":13307.034,"text":"預算其實是年年增加了從110年的110億、111年變成114億、112年變成129億、113年是變成134億到明年的預算是變143億"},{"start":13319.711,"end":13338.198,"text":"當然我提這個案子也不是要苛求中研院雖然中研院我們的這些相關的研究是偏向比較基礎的科研並不是說研發出來就可以馬上進行授權但是我們的經費年年增加但是權益金我們卻沒有覺得說我們應該要這樣子來增加所以就覺得有點交代不太過去"},{"start":13340.459,"end":13364.097,"text":"科研的成果如果當下沒有授權但是其實我們應該沒幾年應該去檢視專利如果有適合推廣及授權的尤其是像生醫呀醫藥這個部分的生技部分的如果有這樣的研究成果就是應該要推出去來增加我們權利金的收入所以說我會在這個部分我提示要增列兩百萬好 謝謝秀寶委員再來我們請郭育琴委員好 這個部分我的"},{"start":13370.134,"end":13389.715,"text":"提案是31還有18那我主要針對這個第三我想這個中國對我們這個文攻武嚇其實已經不是一天兩天的事情了那尤其是我們在這個附中其實不管是中國還是港澳的部分其實大家都要小心那個風險的部分"},{"start":13391.996,"end":13412.541,"text":"第三案的部分就是我們看到我們在大陸旅費的部分就是其他的地方其實都是有銳減或者是持平但大陸旅費的部分我們特別提高到518%那就我剛剛所說的其實我比較擔心的就是他們對於我們一些科研人才的一個挖角"},{"start":13413.021,"end":13436.478,"text":"或者是要竊取一些核心的這個資料或者是一些技術其實這個部分我們是相對的來講要更加的嚴格跟小心那我只是不曉得說為什麼這個地方特別提列就是高於其他的部分高達了518%那我想這個部分可能我還是有一些小小的意見是不是要做這個凍結那等一下可以請大家就是再提供給我"},{"start":13437.098,"end":13453.026,"text":"第11案的部分,因為上次有特別來我辦公室有做說明,那這個部分其實我還是可以支持,就是變成主決議的部分。那第18的部分就是在中央委員會我們在101年有設置這個生物資料庫。"},{"start":13453.866,"end":13454.026,"text":"謝謝主席"},{"start":13482.263,"end":13490.889,"text":"我針對的我這個案第4案針對的就是中國的也是中國的旅費的問題喔那我想因為"},{"start":13492.182,"end":13513.44,"text":"因為明年度最主要是明年度的預算的旅運費比今年度的預算增幅是超過50%那特別是中國的這個旅運費是比今年度的預算成長了5倍多可是本席可以理解說因為這個COVID-19的疫情趨緩那各國的學術交流次數大增喔"},{"start":13513.92,"end":13535.763,"text":"可是若依據這個附屬單位預算共同項目編列作業規範特別收入基金的國外旅費及中國旅費以不超過前一年度的預算為原則當然中研院有說明說是因為疫情的時候編的實在是太少所以明年度的預算是回到疫情前的規模"},{"start":13536.684,"end":13537.425,"text":"謝謝林一金委員 再請羅廷薇委員發言"},{"start":13557.947,"end":13582.389,"text":"好,謝謝主席。我是第7、15、23我沒有很堅持可以改成主決議但是我,因為眾議院有來跟我說明那剛剛院長也非常有誠意那我們在這個科研基金對於淨泥碳排這個部分我們都寄予眾望但我雖然改成主決議我還是要再次提醒眾議院 112年度的預算執行率89.37%"},{"start":13584.571,"end":13613.304,"text":"當然度預算未全數執行完畢那現在113年到9月執行數又佔預算數的比率僅只有26.06%我覺得執行的狀況欠佳換言之這個釋出緊急需要補辦預算卻又沒用完而保留我們會有所疑慮所以才會提出這樣子的一個案子還是事後希望大家還是要稍微在這個部分要有一個確切的一個具體作為讓我們能夠安心所以我目前先改成主決議但後續我會持續追蹤謝謝"},{"start":13615.213,"end":13616.153,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":13631.78,"end":13650.193,"text":"學術書簽就剛委員提的第一個張委員提到有關論文書今年我們現在提供給委員的是730篇那我跟委員稍微報告一下去年在這個6月底的時候我們的調查是860篇那到了年底我們總共有2100多篇"},{"start":13651.614,"end":13673.061,"text":"那所以我們覺得今年我們應該到最後應該也會達到2000片作用所以就這點先跟委員做個說明然後那個大陸旅費呢主要是因為前兩年的112年、113年因為疫情的原因所以都減劣了它事實上都變得比較少112年我們只變了86萬但是我們決算數是511萬"},{"start":13678.792,"end":13701.932,"text":"所以然後當然我們也會注意剛剛這個委員提到的說去中國大陸的這些安全那我們也一直在強調大家不管個人的安全資料的安全還有資安方面我們也會提醒我們的研究院如果有需要去中國大陸的時候包括港澳地區我們會提醒大家以上"},{"start":13705.132,"end":13705.833,"text":"張雅琳委員發言"},{"start":13722.495,"end":13741.332,"text":"老師,我覺得那個...剛剛講那個學術論文齁,剛剛講說去年跟去年同期相比嘛,我們今年跟去年是差不多嘛齁,但我想我們畢竟是中央研究院啦,我們用詞應該還是要科學精準啦,不是我覺得這樣子。所以我覺得是不是有,我們已經有一些統計數字可以看到預估值,我們今年年底會跟..."},{"start":13743.033,"end":13743.393,"text":"中央委員說明一下"},{"start":13759.498,"end":13759.518,"text":"楊懷毅議員"},{"start":13773.848,"end":13773.948,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":13790.951,"end":13795.257,"text":"國際的大的生技廠商或者產業要投入最大的困難是在於現在使用的這個環境以及使用的模式可能有一些需要突破的地方"},{"start":13809.694,"end":13828.172,"text":"不過現在已經有露出曙光可以去突破這個使用的環境與使用的模式未來可能可以在院的這個幫助之下逐漸擴大這個廠商尤其是國際的大廠的合作及投入再次跟委員報告謝謝好謝謝說明喔那還有某委員要提問的"},{"start":13830.323,"end":13855.173,"text":"如果沒有的話那我們針對基金的部分我們是不是基金來源的這個部分陳秀寶委員的增列兩百萬有沒有人異議沒有的話就通過那基金用途的部分我們是不是整體並動一百萬有沒有委員兩百萬那這樣兩百萬好嗎院長覺得OK嗎並動兩百萬"},{"start":13861.192,"end":13864.874,"text":"第9案、第11案、第7案、第14案、第15案、第21案、第23案已經改組決議。剛剛87案有一個是病案處理,也一起說明一下。"},{"start":13889.868,"end":13898.832,"text":"這邊有沒有問題?針對基金的改組決議,沒有問題喔。那前面有一些改組決議的喔,我這邊也一起念一下。66、67、68、69、73、76、777、80、81、82、83、84、88、89都改成組決議。這是補充、補前面的。"},{"start":13912.163,"end":13912.323,"text":"拜訪委員"},{"start":13936.561,"end":13940.827,"text":"是我們做完的第一個工作"},{"start":13942.798,"end":13946.661,"text":"這是我們教文第一個預算來吧來吧來吧各位來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來"},{"start":13972.719,"end":13973.92,"text":"一、二、三。"},{"start":13998.507,"end":13999.948,"text":"感謝大家。"},{"start":14022.862,"end":14042.854,"text":"我跟妳說妳那個木跟砍對對否則的話否則到時候否則到時候對否則的話到我若是堅持這部分對不起啊總理到文化部就給妳沒砍沒木沒下我最好不要這樣子而且而且大家也不會這樣子大家也不會太堅持啦教文很好講的"},{"start":14043.695,"end":14044.956,"text":"委員會主席、委員會主席、委員會主席、"},{"start":14071.513,"end":14074.335,"text":"三十二號這邊要宣告一下,是要一個月內,然後議事也有說嗎?"},{"start":14097.969,"end":14100.291,"text":"稍早給委員簽名。稍早給委員簽名就要2300元。"},{"start":14117.762,"end":14119.344,"text":"二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查二、繼續審查"},{"start":14140.526,"end":14141.807,"text":"請委員跟院長請就座"},{"start":14167.81,"end":14196.317,"text":"好那個大家待會再問院長我們要宣布那個請委員就座我們需要兩位委員感恩謝謝秀寶委員跟易經委員好謝謝院長我們那個就座處理一下好那我們繼續開會喔我們宣告一下基金改組決議的部分有第7案第9案11案14案15案21案23案然後剛才有32案的時間點是改一個月也宣告一下"},{"start":14197.81,"end":14211.235,"text":"今天的審查結果免於重複宣讀在不影響文藝前提下授權議事人員依114年度中央政府總預算案審查報告與黨團協商之範例整理列入記錄"},{"start":14212.695,"end":14232.588,"text":"關於114年度中央研究院預算案做如下決議一、114年度中央政府總預算案有關中央研究院單位預算案、中央研究院科學研究基金附屬單位預算案全部審查完畢對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分"},{"start":14233.689,"end":14244.968,"text":"請相關機關競訴與書面答覆報告委員會今天議程處理完畢現在休息謝謝各位謝謝大家辛苦了大家可以回南港了回哪裡了"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}