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，以法庭直播違憲而去提起憲法訴訟，被提名人認為憲法法庭是否應接受亦或駁回？法庭直播是否有違憲可能？以前檢察官與前刑事政策主管機關高階事務官之立場，法庭直播是否是一適當政策？","我國歷經第六次修憲後，再次修憲難度已增加至幾乎不可能，使大法官解釋憲法成為憲法回應時代變遷，從而確保民眾的憲法權利之重要途徑。望被提名人未來就任大法官後認真懇切，以專業造福我國。"],["主席：再接下來是今天登記第7號的吳宗憲委員，請詢問。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":466,"meet_id":"全院委員會-11-3-4","speakers":["韓國瑜","吳宗憲","麥玉珍","賴瑞隆","翁曉玲","賴惠員","陳菁徽","何欣純","黃珊珊","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳素月","林倩綺","鍾佳濱","徐欣瑩","張雅琳","蘇清泉","林憶君","林楚茵","陳永康","王美惠"],"page_start":365,"meetingDate":["2025-07-10"],"gazette_id":"1146501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146501_00006","1146501_00007","1146501_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第4次全院委員會會議紀錄","content":"總統咨，為司法院大法官含院長、副院長，現有缺額7名，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規\n定，提名蔡秋明、蘇素娥、蕭文生、鄭純惠、林麗瑩、陳慈陽、詹鎮榮7位為司法院大法官，並\n以蔡秋明為院長、蘇素娥為副院長，咨請同意案","agenda_id":"1146501_00004"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}