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你們去強制執行的時候最近一次去執行無乃人的錢執行的結果325548那感覺好像是強制執行不到財產但問題是很奇怪啊按照我們大家所得到的資訊台堂的前董事長無乃人過得很好啊"},{"start":3016.622,"end":3021.944,"text":"可以去club搖宇宙大爆炸啊出入都有車子啊然後一天到晚可以去豪華的餐廳然後沒有錢可以賠你們台堂真的有認真追償嗎?"},{"start":3037.939,"end":3060.52,"text":"這是提這個案子最主要的理由因為從上一屆的國會就委員開始在追嘛我知道那時候陳家華委員就不斷在追這個案子阿但你們強制執行出來的結果現在到底還有多少錢沒有賠阿接下來打算要怎麼辦拿債權憑證掛在台糖公司的牆壁上面當紀念品嗎"},{"start":3066.153,"end":3076.83,"text":"謝謝黃國昌總召發言,接著蔡易瑜書記長麻煩請台灣糖業公司劉代理董事長回應我們黃總召的發言因為另外一位廖先生還不在,請"},{"start":3078.187,"end":3091.799,"text":"委員長、各位委員,台中公司做一個說明,有關黃委員所提的,我們台中公司在109年申請強制執行,然後在112年,台中地方法院有發給債權憑證,總共的賠償金額是1億1796萬,如果加計歷期到目前為止是1億2300萬,"},{"start":3100.687,"end":3125.666,"text":"到目前為止已經有執行的財務人的收藏所得大概是3973萬大概是佔比差不多四分之一那剩下的部分那其中那個3973萬的部分其中涉及到吳謙董事長的部分是有746萬7千餘元那剩下的那個大概還有剩下大概8千萬元的這個"},{"start":3127.788,"end":3128.308,"text":"臺灣公司臺灣公司"},{"start":3156.016,"end":3157.837,"text":"針對廖先祥委員這個案子,今年編的預算是高達4513萬"},{"start":3182.486,"end":3191.012,"text":"昨年的決算數只有941萬3千元,為什麼增加的幅度會那麼多,增編了3千5百多萬,實際上支出有那麼多嗎?"},{"start":3196.648,"end":3196.868,"text":"同意檢列一百萬"},{"start":3222.568,"end":3227.952,"text":"前面的部分是因為原來預估113年度會有一些這個相關的訴訟的一個法律事務費用那特別是針對農業工程規劃設計的這個還有灌溉排農路設施還有整地的這些規劃費用那這部分是有這個金額會比較大一些"},{"start":3247.084,"end":3272.462,"text":"謝謝劉代理總長說明 請蔡議員 蘇議長請發言針對這個提案五的部分那我想剛剛台談也有做出說明基本上這幾年他們是有持續在做強制執行那強制執行基本上就是訴訟程序的一個最後一環嘛那他有持續在做的話那應該不應該把強制執行的結果當作現在我們要去凍結他預算的一個理由謝謝蔡議長 黃國昌總長請二次發言請"},{"start":3277.325,"end":3296.203,"text":"為什麼會提凍結預算?就是我們認為台湯根本沒有認真去進行強制執行嗎?你有認真進行強制執行,沒有認真進行強制執行,對於結果當然會有差別啊。然後你消極的沒有去進行,又掛一張債權憑證,那是全體納稅人的錢欸。你們有向執行法院申請命債務人報告財產狀態嗎?"},{"start":3302.19,"end":3322.628,"text":"在務人民有履行之義務故不履行,在強制執行法上面的效果,有向執行法院要求申請嗎?過得那麼奢靡的生活,欠國家的錢不還,臺堂真的有認真的在追討,我就是認為臺堂沒有認真的在追討,所以才會提這個凍結案,這個案子,臺灣民眾黨黨團堅持,"},{"start":3336.247,"end":3352.952,"text":"這先保留嘛好那我們先保留我們進入第一回頭我們再來解釋我們先進入第2個案改組決議請問各位黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見沒有意見好我們通過第7案我們改組決議請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見好我們通過第8案測案第9案請問一下改組決議各位黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見"},{"start":3365.02,"end":3392.578,"text":"沒有好我們通過第十案改組決議請問各位黨的幹部有沒有寶貴意見沒有好通過組決議第十一案國民黨團謝依鳳請問各位有沒有寶貴意見暫通過第十二案謝依鳳委員所提有沒有寶貴意見沒有好謝謝我們通過第十三案各位有沒有寶貴意見沒有好謝謝通過第十四案"},{"start":3394.15,"end":3397.133,"text":"這案因為在我的選區齁那當時確實這一個港前農場這裡要出租給這個光電業那造成地方民眾的抗議那我記得我"},{"start":3422.04,"end":3422.34,"text":"各位黨內幹部"},{"start":3448.854,"end":3464.011,"text":"第17案沒有其他報告意見報告院長這個是台灣民眾黨黨團提的案子嘛那台堂願意在這邊表示這個態度我覺得也很好但也很簡單我們只要他三個月提書面報告而已嘛沒有強人所難啊"},{"start":3465.052,"end":3468.033,"text":"謝謝通過第18案主席有沒有意見?沒有意見好通過請問第19案各黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見?"},{"start":3494.286,"end":3507.254,"text":"沒有好通過我們現在全部我們進入保留回頭第四案第五案我們休息三分鐘"},{"start":3599.807,"end":3625.496,"text":"好謝謝各位黨團幹部重新開會現在針對台堂我們第四案第五案我們保留其餘就照剛才所審查的通過那接下來我們進入台灣中郵謝謝我們台堂的劉代理董事長謝謝請回好我們中郵的第二十案並委員會決議請問各位黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見"},{"start":3629.616,"end":3630.056,"text":"21.改組決議22.改組決議23.改組決議24.改組決議25.改組決議26.改組決議27.改組決議28.改組決議"},{"start":3658.8,"end":3669.153,"text":"我們簡列三千萬,國民黨黨團所提出,請問各位有沒有寶貴意見?好,請蔡易瑜蘇理長請發言"},{"start":3672.298,"end":3672.738,"text":"我們請國民黨團王宏威請發言"},{"start":3704.07,"end":3704.57,"text":"我們麻煩請中郵的方董事長請說明"},{"start":3732.143,"end":3757.609,"text":"是,就是我們同意簡列三千萬,原因就是說接下來請黃國昌總統請發言那個上面啊,你們編列的是九億六千三百四十萬嘛對吧我請教一下,到目前為止已經實現了有多少"},{"start":3758.706,"end":3779.747,"text":"我們截至10月份,10月份已經執行了7.46億,所以編了9億6千3百萬,執行到現在執行了7億4千萬,所以還有2億多,到年底你們覺得你們可以執行到多少?我們到年底預定執行9億3千萬左右,"},{"start":3782.172,"end":3797.719,"text":"會執行9億3千萬所以提案委員也很貼心嘛他精準的算到你們編了9億6千萬然後會執行到9億3千萬所以幫你們刪除3千萬提高你們的"},{"start":3799.107,"end":3825.86,"text":"的預算實現率是這樣嗎?不是,就是原委員提案是3減6千萬那我們跟委員溝通希望說不要3減那麼多按照我們預估的執行情形來3減我們同意這樣子好謝謝,大家也謝謝忠祐的說明我們27案就我們就同意減3千萬,好通過好28案,請問各位"},{"start":3827.244,"end":3832.588,"text":"黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見?沒有我們通過改組決議第29案改組決議有沒有寶貴意見?沒有我們通過第30案改組決議有沒有意見?沒有我們通過第31案改簡列3億5千萬請問各黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見要"},{"start":3846.649,"end":3850.391,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3875.882,"end":3881.927,"text":"營業成本探勘費用我們編列了46億108年到111年最高決算數為11億近4年決算數實現率最高35%我們只簡列3億5000萬這可能太少不過沒有關係我們在這裡啊"},{"start":3904.889,"end":3905.77,"text":"因為在國外的探勘我們探勘活動或者是權益的併購那個"},{"start":3934.053,"end":3934.133,"text":"請問董事長"},{"start":3964.724,"end":3982.93,"text":"你們在對國外的探勘還是交易前後大概要花多少時間對一個個案的討論到所有資料的收集到最後能夠簽約能夠完成前後要花多少時間"},{"start":3985.581,"end":4013.193,"text":"每個礦區的情況不自相同不過流程都是一樣的也就是說有這麼一個機會之後我們必須跟他索取當地的一個已經存在的地質狀況的資料包括政策的資料包括礦區地底下的一些相關的資料拿回來以後我們要去做一些研判來研判這個油氣的運償量的估算"},{"start":4014.053,"end":4014.613,"text":"既然從頭到尾一年的時間算起來"},{"start":4044.6,"end":4069.351,"text":"這個中油的國際談判能力已經很強了包括選案包括過程的討論到最後確認一年的時間算是非常非常快了民間企業大概沒有像你們這樣的一個進度跟水準那既然是一年可以經過相當的討論那為什麼這麼急著要跟立法院要預算啊你們這個過程隨時可以來談嘛"},{"start":4073.188,"end":4101.911,"text":"但是你們連續不能長此以往從108年到現在不能把立法院不斷地給你們做空白授權所以啊 董事長本席建議你要從實編列不要這樣的空白授權服編尤其空白授權我們是完全不能同意跟接受所以所以在這裡啊我們再請這個"},{"start":4103.786,"end":4109.495,"text":"中遊在今年的12月底把今年確切的執行數發給各黨團"},{"start":4113.291,"end":4139.008,"text":"因為明年的部分我們還有很多預算在看114年度的部分我們可能會按照你比較實際執行的狀況再做最後的決定好不好那這個部分國民黨一向很善良之前那個3億5千萬但是以後這種空白授權的事情不要習慣性的向立法院來做這麼大的一個空白授權好不好"},{"start":4139.909,"end":4141.39,"text":"謝謝院長我只有一個簡單的問題編了46億1897萬到目前為止執行了多少預計到年底會執行多少"},{"start":4171.445,"end":4171.987,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":4175.174,"end":4192.197,"text":"那麼我想兩個問題做個答覆首先對於這個預算動資率的情形那剛剛沒有錯但是在預算執行的部分我剛剛提到就是說其實每年的狀況不太一樣那麼以112年就是去年來講我們編的預算數是34.49億那麼實際112年執行數是38.25億"},{"start":4202.719,"end":4227.658,"text":"也就是說實際執行的情形在各年度的狀況不一所以它的執行率有可能會超過有可能會低這沒有錯那麼對於這個今年今年的部分我們預估會執行到44.62億大概以上兩個問題做說明不好意思喔我剛剛前面還有個問題就可能麻煩董事長那個"},{"start":4229.059,"end":4248.52,"text":"我剛剛說到現在執行多少?預計到12月底執行多少?那麼到10月份,10月份已經執行了20.12億所以等一下在接下來的11跟12月會再執行23億,您的意思是這樣嗎?是是是"},{"start":4252.529,"end":4271.005,"text":"各位黨團幹部還有沒有其他寶貴意見那剛才傅坤祺總召所提出來麻煩請忠祐到時候來配合辦理一個書面報告好不好好那我們第31案我們就檢列3億5千萬我們通過第32案主決議各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過第33、34、35我們是3案並案來處理"},{"start":4276.529,"end":4288.457,"text":"33改組決議,34檢列3000萬元,35案檢列2000萬元,請問各黨團幹部有沒有意見?沒有意見,好我們謝謝通過,我們進入第36案,我們檢列1⁄10,請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見?沒有啊,請張旗改完發言,請吳氏和幹長請準備"},{"start":4302.465,"end":4329.986,"text":"這筆預算非常重要是關係到我們三接的天然氣那這個我在兩個月前開了記者會揭露說這個工程有嚴重的問題特別是它的輸氣管品質有問題這牽扯到公共安全而且它的承包商全台灣最大的承包商中頂它不只材料有問題"},{"start":4331.001,"end":4357.39,"text":"他還假造了假報告那我開記者會的當天中友就發了聲明發了新聞稿說會改進啊隔一個禮拜我質詢了說質詢了經濟部長跟中友的董事長跟總經理你說你們會改啊那你們讓我辦公室已經來了三次了我的要求很簡單我是贊成三接要如期趕快要完工的"},{"start":4358.479,"end":4383.157,"text":"明年三年要完工,要不然台灣天然氣會斷氣。那我要求,可是有兩個地方一定要做,你公共安全一定要做到嘛。你們本來跟我講說你要一公里一公里那個慢慢改,我說不行,要全體去改,要不然更危險嘛,對不對。你們中友答應我的喔,你們說要改,對不對。所以第一個要改,第二個你要追究責任,我說你把報告拿過來,很清楚跟我交代。欸,過了兩個月了,到現在沒有欸。"},{"start":4384.537,"end":4403.153,"text":"你們一直找人來都空手到啊,出一支嘴公公的,連報告到現在都沒有到啊所以我提案,第一個,這36案跟43案是一起的這邊先簡略了十分之一的這個預算,43案要3減2億現在如果解決方案,有解決方案不是沒有啊"},{"start":4404.344,"end":4419.063,"text":"盡快這個禮拜內把第一個到底詳細的改善你進度到什麼地方了第二個你責任到底追到哪裡你現在不能只有祭典啊你這個廠商的責任追到哪裡如果這個可以做到的話我們再來看這個預算要怎麼處理好不好"},{"start":4424.713,"end":4447.062,"text":"有關這個三階保冷材的部分呢那麼公司這邊已經確定了要求承攬商不合格的材料就是要拆除重換我想這是承攬商來講他也同意這樣一個原則往這個方向去做處理首先跟委員做這個報告那另外就對於36案的部分"},{"start":4448.302,"end":4464.133,"text":"36萬的部分,這項費用的編列跟三接沒有關係這項費用的編列是使用在我們總公司的用人費用以及這個大樓的維運所需要的相關支出所使用那編列的預算是16.88億"},{"start":4466.494,"end":4471.621,"text":"我們到10月份來講已經動資了14.25億也就是說這些數目16.88億都會全數的資用所以如果刪除的話我們認為是不符合實際建議不要刪除這項費用"},{"start":4486.544,"end":4488.625,"text":"謝謝方董事長說明剛剛張啟凱委員提的資料到時候您再給張啟凱委員辦公室好嗎?好接下來請吳思瑤幹事長請發言"},{"start":4508.565,"end":4531.899,"text":"因為這個案子36案是要檢列十分之一的營業費用那43案是相關的是具體針對固定資產建設的費用檢列2億那事實上再看看齊凱委員民眾黨也有在55案主決議也有做具體的要求所以我是希望把它聚焦就是該是這個三接而且是保冷財的採購"},{"start":4532.739,"end":4533.1,"text":"本身沒有那麼直接啦"},{"start":4548.181,"end":4553.482,"text":"所以是不是可以請齊改委員同意因為36案營業費用是比較不相關那您剛剛所說的43案還有你們主決於55案請他就先保留等到他們的資料提供給您我們後續再來處理但是36案我想替他們來爭取一下因為畢竟項目不同營業就是可能會誤殺不同的項目誤殺無辜"},{"start":4573.507,"end":4573.787,"text":"案相關事宜"},{"start":4603.827,"end":4604.128,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":4619.053,"end":4621.213,"text":"40、41、42都是針對固定資產投資計畫所提議的都是相類似我是建議說這三個案子是不是一起"},{"start":4646.798,"end":4648.739,"text":"做一個合併的考慮"},{"start":4672.278,"end":4673.058,"text":"那個40案的部分請教一下眾友你們編列的預算是528億4993萬對不對?"},{"start":4697.939,"end":4702.402,"text":"到目前為止執行多少?預定到年底執行多少?"},{"start":4711.747,"end":4729.856,"text":"我目前手頭上,我們到10月份已經執行了412億,那麼預定到年底可以執行大約470億左右,差不多也就是10%的範圍內。"},{"start":4732.702,"end":4741.941,"text":"所以就等於是這個提案要簡略的跟你們實際上面執行多了10%出來,完美的幫你們把那多的10%給刪掉了嗎?"},{"start":4744.322,"end":4772.736,"text":"這個部分我可以做個說明我想各位也了解中央公司在目前的狀態下財務狀況並不好負債比到10月來講我們到達93%因此在公司來講執行今年的預算也都採取緊縮的政策也就是說公立資產的投入也會做一些先後順序的"},{"start":4774.009,"end":4783.464,"text":"牌比,對於可以暫時不做的就先不做,因此在固定資產投資方面,執行數上來講,會有一些沒有執行的地方"},{"start":4791.894,"end":4817.548,"text":"那謝謝方董事長說明那各位幹部我們就40案跟41案我們並案簡列10%42案主決議我們就通過現在43案保留43案保留我們回頭再來討論第44案改為主決議大家有沒有寶貴意見沒有意見好我們通過第45案主決議大家有沒有意見"},{"start":4818.871,"end":4821.114,"text":"46.文字修正組決議47.文字修正組決議48.文字修正組決議49.文字修正組決議"},{"start":4831.448,"end":4845.258,"text":"各位有沒有意見?請吳思瑤幹事長請發言施久案因為委員的主決議裡頭是有要求你們寬列114年的預算那對於這樣的主決議因為這是涉及你們的預算的權利這個部分有辦法來執行嗎?請中遊請說明"},{"start":4854.945,"end":4874.099,"text":"這案是針對我們在南部新建一個大樓,那我們也是要把它加速進行,因此在預算上的部分我們也是朝這個方向去寬列。寬列但是要核實啊?是,是,是。好,OK。好,謝謝吳斯亞剛才,謝謝鐘友。好,大家有沒有其他的寶貴的意見?"},{"start":4876.049,"end":4876.109,"text":"主決議主決議"},{"start":4904.144,"end":4929.066,"text":"沒有通過第52案主決議,大家有沒有意見?沒有通過第53案,有沒有意見?沒有意見,通過第54主決議,有沒有意見?沒有,通過第55案主決議,有沒有意見?沒有,我們就通過第56案文字修正主決議,大家有沒有寶貴意見?沒有意見,通過第57案主決議,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":4931.629,"end":4946.165,"text":"第58、59、60策案中油36、43我們保留謝謝中油公司接下來我們請台灣電力公司"},{"start":4968.031,"end":4991.273,"text":"謝謝台電曾董事長各位黨團幹部第61案測案第62案檢列50%請從台電請有沒有曾董事長意見要表示一下跟院長報告跟委員報告就是說我們這一筆預算原來的預算提送額度是1500萬"},{"start":4992.774,"end":5021.193,"text":"那我們依照執行的比例到目前為止我們大概執行的量大概已經到了三千五、三千六百萬預計到年底要支出這麼多錢那如果要減去百分之五十可能是真的沒辦法做到在實際的狀況之下我們請庭安委員、黃國昌總召請發言沒有啊前面我已經說過了嘛這個預算本來早就該省了嘛那沒有省嘛"},{"start":5022.165,"end":5024.566,"text":"預計到年底全年預計大概3500到3600萬"},{"start":5051.107,"end":5053.17,"text":"上位預計不會執行到大概我們就執行到八成左右"},{"start":5066.656,"end":5091.009,"text":"我們講具體的數字啦,董事長請你可以聽得懂我現在在釋放的善意啦我們現在是這樣子講,因為我現在要預估到年底,所以我估計起來大概3500到3600,還沒執行大概是900到1000所以大概是3500嘛,對不對?差不多所以簡略意義千萬可以你說今年嗎?對阿今年阿"},{"start":5093.735,"end":5121.412,"text":"不是啊,我董事長我是就事論事在跟你討論啊我必須要讓大家聽得懂我們為什麼提這個案子嘛這個案子我也在經濟委員會我直接提出質詢嘛台電公司有營運上面的困難經費拮据大家都了解嘛但我們立委在立法院裡面監督預算執行我也要問錢花到哪裡去嘛"},{"start":5124.313,"end":5144.233,"text":"結果你們花的錢給特定的綠色媒體人去做那些什麼有的沒有的廣告我看了以後就很火啊我們台電很有錢啊這種錢都花得下去"},{"start":5145.973,"end":5169.413,"text":"所以我才會要求要減劣50%啊那剛剛你說 你們現在已經花多少了我聽了我老實講 我們大家也很無奈嘛預算沒有省 沒有過 你們錢在花 根本沒有差嘛我剛請董事長聽得出我的善意是說我知道你也很無奈 憋了4500萬"},{"start":5172.129,"end":5194.061,"text":"現在我就跟你說你到年底預計總共會花多少錢嘛所以嘛你說三千五那我現在就講嘛那就我願意把它改列減列一千萬解決你的問題嘛那個委員這樣子好不好我可不可以就是減列的留一點點空間"},{"start":5197.247,"end":5197.747,"text":"黃國昌委員的意思是說他從簡列50到"},{"start":5221.732,"end":5222.052,"text":"李慧琼議員"},{"start":5245.071,"end":5257.428,"text":"七百萬,五百萬,七百萬可以嗎?我們具體的希望是讓大家能夠,也能夠運作好,這是民進黨團的意見不好意思喔,你們是不好意思這是我的案子"},{"start":5260.12,"end":5262.101,"text":"我希望事情能夠很圓滿的"},{"start":5287.771,"end":5300.056,"text":"我們就預估,明確的預估是3600萬,執行大概到這邊,那如果留200萬的一些餘裕給我們,因為最後結算有關,如果3700萬可不可以?"},{"start":5302.83,"end":5319.159,"text":"院長我可以說話了嗎?好,謝謝曾董事長,現在請黃國昌董事長請不好意思喔,請你們現在已經執行的每一筆的費用以及預估你接下來要花的費用一筆一筆清楚地列出來,送到黨團來,我們看完以後再決定,這個案子就先保留"},{"start":5320.118,"end":5344.389,"text":"好謝謝我們第62案保留我們第63案測案第64案已經改組決議我們通過謝謝第65案改組決議溝通後現在已經發下去了改組決議大家沒有意見有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過第66案改組決議有沒有意見沒有意見通過第67案改組決議有沒有意見沒有意見好謝謝第68"},{"start":5348.413,"end":5354.836,"text":"報告院長,就是說這中間有幾個已經全部都改成主領域,只有68,就是68跟74是謝榮介委員所提的"},{"start":5378.919,"end":5383.721,"text":"因為已經剩下一個月了,因為凍結10%,是不是能夠讓我們提書面報告說明?因為台電現在的虧損已經造成全國的各個產業的疑病的恐慌"},{"start":5407.122,"end":5425.473,"text":"所以這個是一個很嚴肅的問題那今天要我們說變成一個凍結我們很難接受那如果這個案子台電還有想法沒有關係我們這個案子先保留好不好我們先保留那各黨的幹部我們就把他保留好嗎我們再回頭再來檢討那69案改組決議案70案改組決議71改組決議72改組決議73改文字"},{"start":5434.908,"end":5435.169,"text":"74案改組決議"},{"start":5455.483,"end":5473.391,"text":"建議文字那說明一下74案的狀況跟前面68案的狀況是雷同的案子好那曾董事長我們就保留因為金額太大下面75案測案76到82我們可以併案討論76案是簡列250億元曾董事長可不可以請表達一下"},{"start":5481.431,"end":5483.012,"text":"要減少火力發電特別是燒煤是國家既定的政策"},{"start":5504.113,"end":5528.958,"text":"那你們現在燒煤越燒越多阿連那個賣了電廠都要去買了電阿我們這是一個很清楚為了人民的健康不要再用廢機發電那減劣的比例不高阿這200這個錢只有算下來250億大概只有5%嘛你再執行那個鄭董事長你這個執行應該還是有很大的空間對不對你為了人民的健康我跟委員報告的是有一些空間阿但是你要減劣250億就是其實"},{"start":5531.96,"end":5555.198,"text":"國民黨都要凍結10%去了報告委員長,這些相關的火力發電費用76萬、79萬這些,包含減劣的,是不是都能夠得到委員的同意,能夠共同一次減劣,減劣一個額度?比方說如果張其凱委員說250億,那今天王輝委員也在,那這一邊的是不是能夠就是併在裡面一氣,減250億?"},{"start":5558.476,"end":5559.077,"text":"報告主席"},{"start":5580.002,"end":5600.39,"text":"因為這個是同樣一個項目,都是在火力發電的費用,那我也同意76到82並一案來做一個統一的簡列,只是就我還是想要替台電來捍衛一下預算,你們因為看起來250億是一個非常高額的數字,"},{"start":5602.082,"end":5613.158,"text":"就你們再審視一下yes or no因為就我審議的我以前在教育文化委員會這五千萬我們都痛得要死齁這兩百五十億這樣簡列下去可以嗎"},{"start":5615.073,"end":5634.274,"text":"委員我跟委員報告一下就是狀況是這樣子就是其實這裡面有一部分咱們煤的費用是我們的同仁基本上是透過現貨價格如果有下降我們就會去搶現貨搶回來的一些預算準結那今年其實包括整個煤的價格的下降都有在"},{"start":5635.094,"end":5646.622,"text":"委員提到的狀況是這樣,因為這顯得不是量是價,價確實是單價有下降,所以幾位委員提到的簡略我們說現在我們做得到"},{"start":5647.79,"end":5649.732,"text":"其實這個就會跟前面68案的謝榮介委員動14%是一樣的事"},{"start":5672.057,"end":5672.237,"text":"剪列250億元"},{"start":5700.953,"end":5704.214,"text":"我們767780病案共檢列250億科目銷售成本火力發電費用"},{"start":5723.612,"end":5752.567,"text":"我們第77案改組決議,各位黨黨幹部有意見嗎?沒有,好,通過。第78案改組決議,有沒有意見?沒有意見,通過。第81案改組決議,大家有意見嗎?沒有,好,謝謝。第82案改組決議,有意見嗎?沒有,好,謝謝。請吳世瑤要幹什麼?就是說,因為我看了提案,確實76到82大家同意用一個數字來剪裂250億,但如果看前面的68跟74是指同樣的事情嘛。"},{"start":5755.435,"end":5755.956,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":5767.418,"end":5768.659,"text":"發言委員．完整會議"},{"start":5786.755,"end":5790.656,"text":"我們就先這樣保留,其他通過了就通過,簡列250億我們先通過一步一步來,第83案、第84案、第85案可以我們一併來討論請83案簡列5000萬,請問各位黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見?台電有沒有需要補充?"},{"start":5810.207,"end":5838.153,"text":"84案檢列5000萬85案檢列100萬請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見要表達沒有意見 台電這邊有沒有來一下意見就我的理解這跟上面那個不是一樣嗎它只是編在不同項目可是是同樣一個我認為應該是250億就是到底到第幾頁其實到85是不是都是同樣的"},{"start":5840.322,"end":5844.392,"text":"我們請他們說明不是編不一樣的項目但是只是同樣的事情"},{"start":5848.221,"end":5870.299,"text":"有一些些許的不一樣,因為預算整理的方式,我們可以拿一個副表給各位委員做參考,我沒有把數字狀的圖全部做出來,有一點點劣序不一樣,不過報告各位委員,838485是同一件事,同一件事我們是可以同意減列五千萬,"},{"start":5872.725,"end":5894.489,"text":"各位黨團幹部,台聯同意簡列五千萬,沒有意見,我們簡列五千萬通過。我們進入八十六案以改組決議,我們通過。八七、八八、八九,我們八十七案改組決議,八十八案簡列五千萬,八十九案簡列一百萬,各位黨團幹部要不要什麼意見表達一下?"},{"start":5897.159,"end":5902.067,"text":"是不是8889是來說明一下,是同樣一個專業服務費?是的,它都是同樣一個專業服務費那我支持民眾黨的提案"},{"start":5913.21,"end":5916.072,"text":"請問各位黨團幹部有沒有其他寶貴意見?請問現在你們執行,你們編列是8億3400多萬,你們現在執行的金額是多少?"},{"start":5934.161,"end":5957.188,"text":"我們到10月份為止目前執行的金額是確實不是很高因為它那個就是需量反應付費的部分那因為大院委員其實一直有要求台電在這一個部分要遵節支出我們今年也有照做到一部分的遵節支出的工作對但是這一個事情會隨著整個用電需求的波動會有不一樣的執行狀況出來"},{"start":5960.1,"end":5978.612,"text":"那我們今年編的是8.35億,但是實際狀況執行沒有用到這麼多。那如果減劣,其實這一個部分,因為它是營業型的預算,它不是公務預算。所以坦白講,它會跟著市場在跑的,才不會是一個非常明確的事。那再以今年來講,要減100萬,減幾百萬大概都是,對我們來講影響都是同樣的。"},{"start":5985.424,"end":5986.465,"text":"市長,因為一個問題"},{"start":6007.728,"end":6031.155,"text":"拜託一下我們節省時間請有問必答因為你到底一整圈還是沒有回答那資金數到十月底到底是多少錢兩億那你變八億數在三五千你就一口就同意就好可是今年絕對用不到嘛不就解決了嗎因為經濟部長在他必須表情上有點困難的樣子人同此心好不好我們878"},{"start":6032.896,"end":6049.269,"text":"八七、八八、八十八、八十九兩案並案我們就減列五千萬,他們現在才只贏兩億多,總共變成八億多,好,沒有意見我們就通過八七改組決議,好現在進入九十案改組決議,沒意見,好通過九一、九二並案討論,我們現在"},{"start":6053.155,"end":6066.343,"text":"國民黨團體剪列1億2千萬,臺灣民眾黨團剪列100萬,請問各位黨員有沒有什麼寶貴意見?我們今年的狀況執行的結果大概是4到5億元,所以如果是減掉5千萬之類的我們是可以,這裡1億2千萬"},{"start":6082.012,"end":6110.893,"text":"現在可以執行對還剩五億啊好OK那現在執行才五億列了九億多那我們就減列一億兩千萬各位黨黨幹部好謝謝我們通過接下來九十三案改組決議有沒有意見沒有意見通過九十四案改組決議有沒有意見沒有意見通過九十五案改組決議有沒有意見通過沒有通過九十六案有沒有意見沒有通過九十七案改組決議有沒有意見沒有九十八案組決議有文字修正大家有沒有寶貴意見"},{"start":6113.044,"end":6113.944,"text":"102案主決有沒有意見103案有沒有意見"},{"start":6135.856,"end":6140.378,"text":"主席可不可以提出一下請一個人來唸好不好,我越唸聲音越小104案主席有沒有意見"},{"start":6150.99,"end":6176.273,"text":"一百零五萬主席的文字修正沒意見報告委員長一百零五萬就是我們有跟黃建豪委員討論過但他有一個文字上面會造成歧異想要在這邊跟委員報告確認台電公司的意思是針對未來台中火力發電廠新建一座燃氣機組要拆兩座燃煤機組我們會承諾要做報告給大院"},{"start":6177.165,"end":6178.566,"text":"曾董事長意思就是說把承諾兩個字改為檢討"},{"start":6200.682,"end":6202.143,"text":"我們同仁去溝通,我們同仁來告訴我說,我們是要承諾寫報告"},{"start":6219.394,"end":6219.454,"text":"主席"},{"start":6234.376,"end":6250.561,"text":"105 案保留,第106 案主決於文職修正,大家有沒有意見?沒有意見,我們通過107,文職修正主決於有沒有意見?沒有意見,通過108,主決於有沒有意見?沒有意見,通過109,主決於有沒有意見?沒有意見,通過110,主決於有沒有意見?沒有意見,通過110,主決於有沒有意見?"},{"start":6255.435,"end":6258.757,"text":"黃國昌總召欣然接受3個月好嗎?好謝謝我們就修正通過那進到114主協議大家有沒有保過意見?"},{"start":6282.77,"end":6310.149,"text":"通過115文字修正主決議大家有沒有寶貴意見?沒有通過116主決議有沒有意見?沒有通過117文字修正的主決議有沒有意見?沒有118主決議有沒有意見?沒有通過119主決議有沒有意見?通過120文字修正主決議有沒有意見?沒有通過121文字修正主決議有沒有意見?沒有通過謝謝122文字修正有沒有意見?"},{"start":6311.996,"end":6314.898,"text":"我們接下來請自來水公司休息三分鐘"},{"start":6341.953,"end":6344.255,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6367.685,"end":6368.785,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6393.67,"end":6394.59,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6414.276,"end":6415.056,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6442.825,"end":6443.725,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6465.988,"end":6466.689,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6490.094,"end":6490.815,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6509.177,"end":6511.058,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6527.773,"end":6531.074,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6555.758,"end":6555.778,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":6584.175,"end":6586.156,"text":"黨政軍,我給你共庭。黨政軍,我給你共庭。"},{"start":6607.485,"end":6612.109,"text":"以後就沒有投票權就好了?對,對,對,它是做了一些的,然後委員長覺得他們投資的金額什麼都有限"},{"start":6628.901,"end":6640.695,"text":"為什麼要審訊?不要啦,所以你都沒有搞懂我的意思。因為它是上市上位公司,你隨便你買。"},{"start":6642.287,"end":6658.394,"text":"但是你買的股權都沒有投票權,就是不得監禁你的金錢是這樣,不是你寫什麼再回到限制又是老套了,你為什麼可以買1%為什麼不能買10%?我的邏輯還是對,你要照我講的對,不要每次都在想你的"},{"start":6670.083,"end":6675.788,"text":"這個問題搞了15年,他們都沒有搞短。我跟你講啊,為什麼我們現在協會全部人都"},{"start":6677.27,"end":6698.423,"text":"都拍手什麼富邦什麼臺克拉球真的要拍手你要聽懂我在講什麼國家去限制幾趴幾趴的幾趴我們現在放分到幾趴你要問為什麼你提什麼從0趴變5趴8趴10趴喔8趴就解決富邦的問題大家都知道嘛那為什麼是8趴以後你的1趴你講什麼你還是沒有聽懂我在講什麼"},{"start":6701.425,"end":6724.775,"text":"這些都是上市上櫃公司 誰都可以買 我管你什麼黨政區什麼單位你都可以買所以才不會蔡豪那種買一張就讓大家開會無效 對不對因為這些都是公開發行上市上櫃公司 誰都可以買世大基金也可以買 誰都可以買 但是你買的人是屬於黨政區系列的"},{"start":7197.867,"end":7220.353,"text":"來 謝謝謝謝各位黨團幹部因為我們剛才黨團之間協調一些重要事情所以時間耽擱了幾分鐘敬請大家見諒我們接下來我們請自來水公司的李董事長熱情歡迎你請坐好我們現在謝謝進到自來水126案改組決議有沒有意見沒意見通過127改組決議沒意見通過128改組決議沒意見129改組決議"},{"start":7226.567,"end":7228.748,"text":"每件通過131案該組決議每件通過132案該組決議每件通過133案該組決議每件通過134案該組決議"},{"start":7240.492,"end":7240.892,"text":"我們這邊是同意"},{"start":7263.786,"end":7263.966,"text":"主席"},{"start":7288.644,"end":7298.807,"text":"謝謝自來水公司理事長 謝謝你最輕鬆保持一個 微笑一個接下來我們換組一下 好 謝謝大家"},{"start":7315.669,"end":7317.556,"text":"主席"},{"start":7345.851,"end":7347.292,"text":"臺灣金控 林董事長"},{"start":7363.695,"end":7364.235,"text":"第二案 改組決議"},{"start":7388.41,"end":7394.314,"text":"如果沒有意見我們就通過第三案改組決議第四案改組決議第五案主決議有沒有意見各位"},{"start":7398.78,"end":7399.18,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":7423.678,"end":7426.219,"text":"中央銀紙廠組決議第十四案"},{"start":7444.991,"end":7445.411,"text":"臺銀人壽保險公司"},{"start":7483.661,"end":7500.215,"text":"第二十案我們改組決議各位沒意見沒意見好通過謝謝好微笑離開謝謝接下來台銀綜合證券股份有限公司列席代表徐董事長熱情歡迎您請坐"},{"start":7503.905,"end":7522.083,"text":"第二十一案改組決議有沒有意見 沒意見通過 謝謝第二十二案有沒有意見 沒意見改組決議通過第二十三案有沒有意見 沒有意見 非常好通過 謝謝微笑離開 謝謝接下來台灣土地銀行"},{"start":7525.428,"end":7536.57,"text":"董事長歡迎您請坐24案該組決議有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過25案文字修正我們凍結100萬然後文字修正請問各位黨團有沒有寶貴意見詢問一下這個針對25案是不是不要提書面"},{"start":7555.592,"end":7555.712,"text":"主席"},{"start":7588.035,"end":7591.043,"text":"您就用最右邊麥克風,別客氣請坐請直接按發言"},{"start":7594.716,"end":7619.975,"text":"是,這個科目最主要是用我們的車輛的燃油匯跟車輛的油資的部分那以目前來講我們112年的話執行率大概81%點多那如果說是委員原來的提案是凍結100萬然後一個月後提書面報告的話其實我們也可以執行"},{"start":7621.288,"end":7621.368,"text":"凍結100萬提書面報告"},{"start":7644.316,"end":7669.298,"text":"謝謝,我們第25案,我們凍結100萬,其餘就提書面報告,OK?好,謝謝那委員請把麥克風壓掉,好,謝謝第26案,各位黨團幹部有沒有意見?沒有意見,我們就照案通過第27案,主決議有沒有意見?沒意見,通過第28案,主決議有沒有意見?沒意見第29案,主決議文字修正有沒有意見?"},{"start":7671.394,"end":7689.188,"text":"沒有意見,好,謝謝臺灣土地銀行,何董事長微笑離開,謝謝我們接下來中國輸出入銀行,我們歡迎代理事主席,好,謝謝請坐我們第30案改組決議,請問各位有沒有意見"},{"start":7691.229,"end":7712.343,"text":"沒有意見,好,通過謝謝輸出銀行,謝謝,請微笑離開,椅子都還沒坐熱,請離開接下來,臺灣煙酒公司湯董事長,請坐第31案,該組決議,大家有沒有意見沒意見,通過,33案該組決議好,通過,33案該組決議通過,34案該組決議通過,35案該組決議好,通過,36案該組決議"},{"start":7720.626,"end":7724.208,"text":"通過 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議 改組決議"},{"start":7749.621,"end":7752.923,"text":"文字修正第47案第48案第49案第50案51案文字修正52案"},{"start":7768.527,"end":7768.807,"text":"財政部印刷廠"},{"start":7798.03,"end":7822.944,"text":"對不起請上主席喝口茶我們第57案改組決議大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過第63案我們改組決議大家有沒有寶貴意見沒有意見我們通過第58案我們改組決議有沒有意見沒有意見通過59案有沒有意見沒有意見謝謝60案測案61案改組決議大家有沒有意見"},{"start":7828.488,"end":7830.71,"text":"以往附屬單位預算的協商順序為通案再到營業再到非營業基金財政部莊部長今天也親自來"},{"start":7853.647,"end":7882.593,"text":"現在只有一件,就是中央政府債務基金那只有這一案,請問各黨團幹部我們是不是容許我們來先審查一下只有這一案,好嗎?好,謝謝大家中央政府債務基金我們只有一案在各位的手上已經改為主決議請大家看一下有沒有意見請大家看一下"},{"start":7885.118,"end":7890.282,"text":"對,已經改為主決議了,沒有意見,好,莊部長,開心,謝謝,微笑離開,謝謝莊部長。我們接下來換場,我們請金管會。"},{"start":7919.712,"end":7947.688,"text":"熱情歡迎我們中央金管會的彭主委請坐請坐我們中央只有一個中央存款保險股份有限公司黃董事長也來啦謝謝熱情歡迎您請問第68案已經改為主決議請問各黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見我們就通過69案主決議文字修正各位有沒有寶貴意見沒有好通過第70案主決議各位有沒有意見"},{"start":7948.971,"end":7956.86,"text":"沒有意見,好謝謝好,彭主委微笑離開,謝謝好,接下來我們換交通國營事業"},{"start":7993.401,"end":8008.772,"text":"熱情歡迎交通部陳部長熱情歡迎您請坐其他所有交通部列席官員請跟大家擺手一下我們接下來首先請中華郵政王董事長熱情歡迎"},{"start":8012.557,"end":8039.879,"text":"我們中華郵政第一案改增列三百萬元請問各位黨團幹部有沒有任何寶貴意見沒有意見我們通過第二案改增列三百萬元大家有沒有寶貴意見有意見好通過第三件改組決議有沒有意見沒有通過第四案改組決議好通過第五案改組決議通過第六案改減列五百萬大家有沒有寶貴意見"},{"start":8041.92,"end":8042.18,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":8069.583,"end":8079.455,"text":"通過第15案改文字修正主決,有沒有意見?通過第16案改文字修正主決,有沒有意見?通過第17案改文字修正主決,有沒有意見?"},{"start":8081.069,"end":8100.047,"text":"通過第18案主決議 文子修正有沒有意見 沒意見 通過第19案主決議有沒有意見 沒意見 通過好 謝謝中華郵政王董事長 請微笑離開 謝謝接下來台灣鐵路股份衍生公司請杜董事長 歡迎您請坐"},{"start":8104.257,"end":8129.779,"text":"針對臺灣鐵路公司第二十案改組決議有沒有意見?沒有通過二十一案改組決議有沒有意見?通過二十二案改組決議有沒有意見?通過二十三案改組決議?通過二十四案改組決議?通過二十五案改組決議?通過二十六案改組決議?通過二十七案減列兩百萬元請問有沒有寶貴意見?沒有意見好通過二十八案"},{"start":8132.441,"end":8139.285,"text":"該組決議沒意見,沒意見通過。29案該組決議沒意見,通過。30案該組決議,通過。31案該組決議,通過。32案該組決議,通過。33案該組決議,通過。34案該組決議,通過。35案該組決議,沒意見。36案該組決議,通過。37案該組決議,通過。38案該組決議,通過。39案該組決議,"},{"start":8160.74,"end":8175.133,"text":"事實案主決議事實案文字修正主決議通過事實案主決議事實案主決議包主席事實案案是不是請示那個總召這邊能不能幫我們改成書面報告"},{"start":8184.791,"end":8204.792,"text":"黃總召欣然接受我們就改為書面報告事宜事案有沒有意見事宜事案一樣是不是能夠幫我們改成書面報告對不起事宜事案這個沒辦法答應那就遵照辦理就請台灣鐵路公司遵照辦理謝謝我們主決一通過"},{"start":8208.137,"end":8208.577,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":8229.707,"end":8247.772,"text":"第47案 港灣收入改組決議 沒意見 通過第48案 撤案第49案 檢列500萬元 請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒意見 通過第50案 組決議 大家有沒有意見沒意見 通過第51案 也沒意見沒意見 通過第52案 也沒意見通過第53案 也沒意見 檢列凍結2000萬元 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他做不出來嘛我相信楊董事長非常的清楚啊"},{"start":8752.991,"end":8775.396,"text":"這個到底是怎麼回事啊這不是用書面報告就可以處理啊這個一定要請他們來進行專案報告好,第75案凍結5%各位黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見沒有意見,好我們第75案我們就凍結5%剩下我們就來提專案報告好,謝謝第76案凍結1000萬元各位黨團幹部有沒有意見"},{"start":8782.841,"end":8783.061,"text":"好 謝謝董事長微笑離開"},{"start":8813.5,"end":8833.099,"text":"好,謝謝交通部陳部長,謝謝阿,主席長謝謝,跟大家各位黨員幹部報告一下,通案及營業部分我們現在已經過了300案,我們從下午3點出席到現在,那目前保留有台塘兩案,中油兩案,台電四案共8案,"},{"start":8834.07,"end":8834.39,"text":"明天下午2點半繼續開會"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}