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剛才我沒有聽到你唸的。 我們是建議因為凍結5000萬對我們整個業務的執行其實會有很大影響所以請委員這邊幫忙是不是可以改凍300萬"},{"start":2146.815,"end":2168.272,"text":"那因為裡面提到有委員關切有三個一個是就是境外的汙染然後第二個是怎麼樣國際合作去加強那第三個是民眾的感受性怎麼樣去調整指標那更委員報告這個過去的空氣品質AQI當然預警是用那個湊28小時然後"},{"start":2171.534,"end":2198.208,"text":"二、其實也是比較長時間但是現在我們已經改成部長上任以後我們其實在事業已經調成小時的AQI那另外呢因為空氣品質標準做調整那明年一月開始大氣師也會對AQI做調整所以這個在疫警上面就會更進一步那另外呢因為我們有開發一個APP環境機制通那民眾只要訂閱"},{"start":2199.329,"end":2212.961,"text":"不是啦,你講的都不是我們講的重點,我們講的重點是說因為你113到116年度的這個空污防治方案裡面,裡面有寫嘛你們已經把境外傳輸因素列入可容許變化範圍或排除計算了那這樣子的話"},{"start":2215.242,"end":2219.784,"text":"當境外高濃度的污染物移入造成空氣品質無法達標時你們的PM2.5平均濃度得將其列入可容許變化範圍那臭氧8小時紅色井"},{"start":2230.009,"end":2251.294,"text":"事景的這個事景戰日數則可將其排除計算嘛那我們的意思是說欸你就覺得這境外的又不是我們本土的也非我們所能控制的所以就把它排除計算了看起來好像是數字很好看可是呢跟我們實體呼吸我們的感受是不一樣的對啦那我們的意思是說這樣子也不是辦法嘛那在"},{"start":2254.655,"end":2278.08,"text":"最近的這個境外的輸入而且冬天可能會越來越嚴重春天也是這種狀況裡面我們到底要怎麼做才能夠去應變然後怎麼做才能夠你要跨境汙染的這個防治要怎麼做這樣子然後人民的實際的感受跟你的空氣品質的評估指標要怎麼樣才能夠match在一起"},{"start":2280.701,"end":2300.483,"text":" 是這樣子的啦。 跟委員報告,因為這是大計師。 跟委員報告,我補充說明一下。第一個,境外跟不是境外,這個我們在統計的時候,最終統計的時候全部會算出來。 算出來會特別註明說哪幾天是因為什麼樣的原因造成空氣品質不良。"},{"start":2300.543,"end":2323.855,"text":"那你們就可以把它不列入計算了啊沒有沒有沒有這兩個數字都會同時出現比方講今年是超標比方講說5%但是其中有幾次是因為什麼原因造成我們用這種方式來描述不會說把它抹掉以後就不見這第一件事你們應該是說今年超標是幾日啊那某幾日是不列入因為境外的濃度比較高你應該是我講的這種不是你講的這種啊就整個統計的結果我們就中時呈現多少就是多少"},{"start":2329.318,"end":2343.707,"text":"然後去解釋分析就是說這幾次是什麼原因造成的。 你呦,你呈現的是排除計算的啦。 不是不是不是。 但你會說明說,你可能會說明說這個我排除計算有幾天啦。 是。 這個林委員讓部長解釋一下。 好啦。 報委員齁報委員那個因為我年輕的時候在學校的時候專門算這個齁就是說他們假設環境部如果說這個有一個沙塵暴或是境外嚴重危險之間來。 對我知道。"},{"start":2352.113,"end":2366.838,"text":"然後他們就會送到我們專家審議啊我們就會用一些統計的方法濾掉這個就是境外的這個要統計啊其實一年只有幾天而已所以那多少對啦那我們講的是說濾掉這件事情跟人民實際呼吸感受不一樣不一致你在統計上你們統計的數字是為了呈現我們大氣的空氣品質嘛可是跟我們真實的呼吸的感受是不一樣因為你們呈現的數字是濾掉的"},{"start":2379.383,"end":2402.923,"text":"把境外移入的是濾掉的?幫委員,那個沒有,就呈現的AQI是沒有濾掉的。好啦,沒關係啦。可是最後統計的年報是把它濾掉的。好啦,沒關係啦。我的意思是說,你們還是要去提出一些因應境外污染物的這個移入的時候具體的應變措施,甚至要提出國際合作的機制。然後,對啦,就是這樣子。那因為你們這個變革"},{"start":2406.105,"end":2406.526,"text":"這是基金嘛齁?"},{"start":2428.064,"end":2432.249,"text":"兩億四嘛兩億四兩億四才凍結三百萬我們在助力也太誇張了吧兩億四最沒辦法凍結五百萬"},{"start":2443.549,"end":2452.978,"text":"基金跟公務預算不太一樣,基金的解凍到年底凍500就等於3500的那個概念基金會滾存啊,凍500、3500跟公務預算差很多那個當年度的工作沒辦法執行我們這個計畫是多少錢啊?"},{"start":2465.558,"end":2477.873,"text":"兩億四欸我在兩億四裡面動又不是只有在你指定的那個裡面兩億四你說動500會沒有辦法做我真的懷疑你們執行率有高達100%嗎"},{"start":2482.129,"end":2505.959,"text":"還是請委員能夠幫忙因為這個是整個監測站網的操作為務費用是由金字市這邊在執行大部分其實都是去維持測站的運轉包括相關的來來維持測站的運轉這些多少總的你們一年花多少錢因為我們裡面"},{"start":2512.782,"end":2515.193,"text":"這麼簡單的問題你還要講的公安叫好早"},{"start":2516.474,"end":2521.658,"text":"光維護費其實就要到1.6億那包括譬如說這個因為法規規定每3天採樣一次2.5次跟空檸檬標準是用人工採樣那這個一點就要6千多萬那因為包括在"},{"start":2542.717,"end":2543.418,"text":"第6案就是凍結500萬第7案"},{"start":2567.35,"end":2575.633,"text":"議員提案針對公衛車站濃度變化12年升高的問題。議員提案針對公衛車站濃度變化12年升高的問題。議員提案針對公衛車站濃度變化12年升高的問題。議員提案針對公衛車站濃度變化12年升高的問題。議員提案針對公衛車站濃度變化12年升高的問題。議員提案針對公衛車站濃度變化12年升高的問題。"},{"start":2590.599,"end":2600.469,"text":"少一點,原先跟辦公室這邊提議兩個一個,因為總共網友提三案都是類似的案子,能不能7011合併來處理,那總共凍結500萬。"},{"start":2608.732,"end":2633.426,"text":"好 這個我講一下我提的七十一十二其實都是跟空氣污染防治非常相關的第七案是有關於你整個這個工業區喔他的系選服為例這個不降反升喔那這代表我們在防治上面是沒有成效的減量上面也沒有成效所以這個部分呢這個我要凍結一千萬喔就是"},{"start":2633.986,"end":2636.329,"text":"二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人11月27日及28日二天一次會議"},{"start":2650.566,"end":2655.289,"text":"二、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人1、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等"},{"start":2673.942,"end":2674.602,"text":"第12案是嘉義縣的部分嘉義縣他的那個"},{"start":2701.135,"end":2701.495,"text":"二天一次會計劃"},{"start":2713.263,"end":2730.417,"text":"報告委員這樣我再重新說明一下因為111年的話主要是一個是疫情一個是降雨天數比較多所以它相對是11年非常低所以112年就很為難那根本報告就113年其實濃度已經降下來然後到比方講嘉峪縣關於嘉峪縣在113年統一到10月底"},{"start":2734.02,"end":2754.267,"text":"這是14.5已經很明顯的下降比去年的時期已經很明顯的下降所以這部分真的就整個大環境因為每一年的氣候條件真的影響很大我們減量我們還是持續在減但是PM的東西跟下不下雨跟擴散條件好不好這個不是說全部推給老天而是說他本來就年跟年之間有一個不規則的這個變動存在"},{"start":2755.988,"end":2784.773,"text":"那這樣子表示你們工作任務的挑戰就更大你們要去就是說天候的因素加進來之後你們的目標還是應該要讓它下降你懂我意思嗎所以表示你們要更用力去做啊針對可降低的可減少的就應該去做嘛但是現在我們也明顯看到嘛其實整體台灣我們的能源政策也是有問題嘛我們燒天然氣燒煤寧可這樣子燒然後核電就是它可以降低這一些污染物"},{"start":2785.473,"end":2788.516,"text":"二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部"},{"start":2806.495,"end":2814.045,"text":"要求你們要提出更具體的感想出來我們那個科目往上提好不好因為那個動態氣象很難處理好 合併凍結1000萬好 謝謝凍1000萬啊"},{"start":2826.005,"end":2846.778,"text":"所以是7、11、12嗎?所以合併,3案合併。好,那就第7案、第11案、第12案合併凍結1000萬。好,第8案。那科目?科目執行調整。科目執行調整。好,謝謝委員,謝謝。"},{"start":2853.623,"end":2878.567,"text":"第8案是陳昭日委員提案的主要是針對開發行為空氣網絡排放增量抵換原則的一個提議當然這邊是不是可以建議改動金額再往下降提說明報告另外一個就是對於抵換的原則我們6個月之內可以提出審議規範就把它正式法制化來處理這樣子齁但這個"},{"start":2883.462,"end":2893.566,"text":"公務抵換那個當然你要照過去離島啦這個跨區根本沒有辦法解決離島已經刪掉了但是今年幫幫抵換量就高達4365對跟我們報告因為這個原則是提供給審查委員評審委員去參考的他並沒有強制規定說要委員一定要這樣去依照這樣的原則來處理就是說如果"},{"start":2909.753,"end":2912.415,"text":"一派要我們法制化一派叫人不要法制化所以我們在推這個過程其實也有一些環境資源是不一致的"},{"start":2934.275,"end":2955.623,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":2955.623,"end":2974.309,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":2974.389,"end":2974.509,"text":"議員提供的資料"},{"start":2993.391,"end":2995.314,"text":"二、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度二天一次會"},{"start":3011.674,"end":3036.567,"text":"這次主要就是說因為大家看到施工階段因為它的那個營建的那個影響非常大所以很多委員說那你施工期間要額外的抵換就施工造成了污染所以這個洗草界呢只限定在施工的階段可以抵換不是平常營運的階段因為營運階段排放的跟工程的那個影響是不一樣目前好像施工前的抵換依據"},{"start":3037.947,"end":3055.624,"text":"就是施工施工中施工造成的污染才能夠用洗掃接那你這樣施法有沒有違反母法啊沒有沒有母法已經刪除掉洗掃接底換不是那不是母法這只是一個技術規範的概念而已這就是為什麼要談"},{"start":3056.425,"end":3081.834,"text":" ﹏﹏﹏﹏"},{"start":3083.386,"end":3105.424,"text":"要提出專案報告要不要提書案報告提書案報告並經同意那我們那時候討論是簡略的部分就沒有了但是那個凍結的部分就是這個報告那個報告出來之後凍結真的太多了因為基金解凍的那個過程比較冗長要不然我們這個也是凍一千萬"},{"start":3108.306,"end":3130.752,"text":"因為其實抵換我質詢了很多次因為抵換過去是真的很大的爭議我們這個其實那個是一個原則性的有點開後門沒有沒有沒有絕對不是這個意思因為這個是不是因為20%動下去的話我們那個分支機會沒辦法動了是不是就是動整個大整個往車幕往上提要動一千萬"},{"start":3131.152,"end":3139.053,"text":" ﹏﹏"},{"start":3139.91,"end":3164.246,"text":"法治化的版本嗎?過去沒法則啊!沒法則啊!本來就沒有法則那個要審查是回到環境影響評估去審我們這個只是一個遊戲規則就是說如果你有進了增量出來你必須要把舊的排放抵換下來才可以允許他是一個原則性的那個他現在要法治化了嗎?所以我們要到那個審議規範裡面讓他比較正式一點我們現在是一個處理原則那我們提到審議規範"},{"start":3170.33,"end":3189.123,"text":"所以你們同意說6個月內向立法院會提出刑訴草案是行政院版本嗎在第9案 這不是預告這不是行政院版本法治的流程不是這樣走這個審議的技術規劃我們可以先預告預告我知道有一定的程序但願意往法治化的方向走嗎對對對對可以可以沒問題那這個要寫在"},{"start":3191.84,"end":3203.854,"text":"我們就把它 我們文字把它做修正然後那個凍結數真的那個20個%太多了五百萬齁喔喔 差這麼多就兩個案 兩個案各五百齁"},{"start":3206.803,"end":3233.879,"text":"好了,那個簡略拿掉,你說但是我們要看到你非常具體的那個中央報告法治化是我們的精神文字給我們這邊再過目如何處理特定地區的嚴重空污這個部分也要寫在裡面這一個書面報告好不好,必要我們到委員辦公室這邊再進去說明書面報告並經同意後,然後兩邊先各動500好不好,連兩個案啊"},{"start":3237.416,"end":3246.903,"text":"那你法制化的部分也要寫在這個報告裡面喔?本來如果你不允諾法制化我就直接送協商喔?因為我們沒有法制化我們就被審議規範才能懲罰嘛在這個前提下齁那會議記錄就是在"},{"start":3255.29,"end":3277.564,"text":"法制化的草案寫在裡面然後然後發案的精神其實在解決特定地區的這個特定地區的嚴重空污看怎麼處理過去用兩個做個兩個做個連結文字修正行為人過目一下說ok我是就以不刪減然後改動500的這個方式來處理一個案各500"},{"start":3279.735,"end":3282.736,"text":"第8案動500萬第9案動500萬還要提書面報告第10案是劉建國委員提案"},{"start":3312.957,"end":3322.719,"text":"有簽嗎?沒有齁?好,那第10案保留,第11案?好,那11、12齁,剛剛就是凍結一千萬,第12案也是凍結一千萬,第13案?這已經簽名"},{"start":3334.448,"end":3336.229,"text":"第13案凍結300萬,第14案保留,第15案也保留。第16案陳靜威委員有跟他溝通改為主決議,陳委員已經簽名了。"},{"start":3359.929,"end":3385.221,"text":"第16案改組決議第17案。 17案呈以委員這邊呢我們是建議他改組決議那文字也進行修正有增加請加強資源回收宣導及落實全國清潔隊員教育訓練那委員這邊也簽名了。 好呃第17案改組決議第18案那18案這邊呃劉委員這邊呃他是要現場溝通不過那第18案保留第19案"},{"start":3388.115,"end":3395.78,"text":"第二十九案保留二十案二十案這邊也要委員這邊呢我們是建議改凍結兩百萬元可避案那委員這邊已經簽名了"},{"start":3397.455,"end":3423.106,"text":"二十案凍結兩百萬二十一案二十一案是王委員這邊那我們就跟王委員溝通那是建議他凍結五百萬那委員這邊希望委員支持好要凍結五百萬因為你們那個執行率都太低是要加強改善那我們這個一二年有逐月檢討已經有提升到八十幾了好凍結五百萬謝謝二十一案凍結五百萬"},{"start":3428.444,"end":3442.44,"text":"二十二案二十二案是陳昭芝委員這邊就是關心SRF那委員這邊是就是要凍結我們百分之二十那我們是建議委員這邊可不可以讓我們就是改客戶那凍結五百萬元陳委員"},{"start":3446.82,"end":3447.4,"text":"公務及基金預算"},{"start":3462.605,"end":3462.965,"text":"二、繼續審查環境部"},{"start":3486.224,"end":3510.761,"text":"檢略了是可是因為二十分之一的經費蠻高的那你是三個月內向我們提出來會會會在會跟委員提出來現場查刊頻率據是不是可以在幾個條件的話現場查刊的頻率以及具體數專案檢討那是檢討報告好那是不是可以呃改為書面報告"},{"start":3514.015,"end":3515.996,"text":"第二十二案就是凍結五百萬然後提書面報告"},{"start":3535.013,"end":3546.082,"text":"科目自行調整22案凍結500萬提書面報告科目自行調整23案23案23案陳委員已簽名改以檢列50萬科目調整可併案23案檢列50萬科目自行調整24案24案楊耀委員已簽名檢列50萬可併案"},{"start":3564.352,"end":3580.988,"text":"二十四案檢列五十萬可併案二十五案二十五案留委員好像還沒有到現場二十五案保留二十六案二十六案是王玉民委員所提的王委員我們是建議改組決議不行這個就檢列一百萬凍結五百好了"},{"start":3590.974,"end":3592.117,"text":"委員這個我們有"},{"start":3595.185,"end":3624.289,"text":"很關心這個他其實限制使用地區他是很久以來來源不明汙染源不明的部分那這個部分在去年有38案現在已經撿到29案所以我們很積極在處理這一塊是不是也有撿了大概9萬平方公尺的面積是不是委員給我們支持持續去做土屋的這個整治跟我們的資料怎麼不一樣"},{"start":3625.43,"end":3629.154,"text":"在溝通的過程裡面有說明我們這個資料是不是馬上提供給委員做參考"},{"start":3645.98,"end":3656.008,"text":"這一個是長期以來對於土屋不明的來源的部分我這一案先保留一下26案保留27案27案是陳委員陳昭之委員這裡那是這個我們建議改動100萬書面報告陳委員"},{"start":3673.155,"end":3686.722,"text":"改動20%本來是1000多萬你們現在建議多少錢我們建議改動27案是改動100萬書面報告"},{"start":3694.461,"end":3712.252,"text":"包委員這是那個球場的球場案件對球場案件是這個績效也是不錯的績效目前績效的球場案件你們做到什麼程度他球場案件是是長期以來那個"},{"start":3713.735,"end":3739.389,"text":"找不到就是他不明嘛齁啊我們去查那查了結果我們有查出有67件那目前有41件已經追回來26件齁還在跟行為人求償當中就大概七成七成有求償對對大概六七成左右啊這個我們持續來來來來努力啦啊這這是長期的工作嘿"},{"start":3740.974,"end":3750.564,"text":"那10%好嗎?你們現在還有差做得到將近七成嘛六成多嘛完成六七成完成六成多是不是委員我們建議是凍結100凍結多少?凍結100"},{"start":3757.17,"end":3773.456,"text":"你這個需要6個月內嗎?6個月內才寫得出這個中案檢討報告嗎?這個是過去你做的部分嘛。 那未來要怎麼做?我們一個月內提出。 等滿久的。 一個月內提出好不好?書面報告。 一個月內提出暫時先凍結100萬。 凍結100萬。好謝謝。 第27案凍結100萬那提書面報告。 第28案"},{"start":3783.309,"end":3809.751,"text":"二十八案也是陳委員我們也是建議凍結一百萬我們一個月內提書面報告以簽名這個委員以簽名第二十八案凍結一百萬第二十九案楊耀偉委員以簽名改組決議第二十九案改組決議三十案"},{"start":3813.634,"end":3817.435,"text":"提案委員以簽名改凍結100萬,專案報告改書面報告。提案委員現在沒有在會場,請保留。提案委員以簽名改凍結100萬。"},{"start":3840.223,"end":3865.229,"text":"三十三案是我們王委員提案,那這個我們經溝通之後我們是建議改凍結一百萬,會不會可調整?好,那個三十三案改凍結一百萬可以,剛剛的二十六案也要凍結一百萬因為我再了解一下那個資訊還是覺得你們還是應該要改善二十六案那個主席,就是我剛剛保留的直接凍結一百萬"},{"start":3868.83,"end":3887.066,"text":"是那26案是不是再說明一下好跟委員報告齁那個26案這個是限制使用地區這一個齁資料我們提供了沒有還沒齁我們立即提供阿是不是我們那個也請委員齁這一個"},{"start":3891.017,"end":3904.3,"text":"這個是要凍結100萬好,那我們遵照原的意見好,那剛剛第26案凍結100萬齁那呃再來是33案也是凍結100萬好,34案呃34案呃跟委員辦公室說明改凍結100萬然後專案報告改書面報告那委員已簽名好,34案呃凍結100萬改書面報告35案"},{"start":3920.512,"end":3927.662,"text":"三十五案是劉建國委員提案那要簡略我們目前委員還沒簽名好那三十五案保留三十六案"},{"start":3930.882,"end":3954.923,"text":"關於環境基金編列的有6,059,000元在非農地雜草管理這一塊那似乎在我們的建構安全任期計畫裡面細項沒有把它寫出來其實第一個就是這筆錢就是在我們大計畫裡面所提到的環境保護基金裡面應該要去執行的所以是在我們那個每一年1.1億裡面"},{"start":3957.004,"end":3972.06,"text":"但是那個在抱怨計畫的這個行政要求的是這個只要把工作的大象講出來要因為是我們自己基金支出所以在基金預算的時候再去寫清楚所以就是說他是計畫裡面有"},{"start":3973.081,"end":3994.884,"text":"但是支出是在這個我們的基金預算裡面第二個就是另外這一筆錢跟委員報告就是說609000其實我們從107年開始這個都是補助地方政府不多啦齁一個先是大概二十三十這樣子那這樣沿路這樣做下來其實他有他的一定的績效是不是建議我們可不可以我們來"},{"start":3996.986,"end":4004.413,"text":"呃提報呃就是來組決議讓我們來把提交一個報告來給委員因為這個錢是補助地方政府的"},{"start":4004.915,"end":4032.571,"text":"你這個錢你說是補助地方政府但是你們在名目上面列的是放在國家安全化學韌性是永續計畫對因為那個計畫當時院友要求我們基金要相對的編列一些錢但是呢這個錢呢他只要是我們欸這樣就很奇怪啦就是說行政院是一個不合理的要求那你們這筆錢本來就是例行性要給地方的補助環境教育的基金然後這樣子"},{"start":4034.352,"end":4053.372,"text":"其實他們其實是對我們好啦就是說這樣他也算啦也就是我不用再另外再找一筆錢那這樣子就是整體政府對外在講的這個就是有問題啊不會不會因為我們那個計畫其實像這一期是114開始嘛對其實前一期有個五年計畫那個時候也就這樣做了就是我們補助地方政府這筆107就開始了"},{"start":4055.414,"end":4081.553,"text":"所以在前一期的計劃裡面 所以是口號喊得很好聽但其實根本就是原來就你們在做的事不是的從107的前一期的計劃就已經納在裡面了這一期只是在延續下來這樣而已對啊我的意思就是說你剛剛跟我講的是這一筆605萬原來就是環境教育基金在補助地方政府在做環境教育的事情我們當時運用這個部分對那現在為了配合國家的國家安全"},{"start":4083.034,"end":4109.396,"text":"這個整體的計劃你們又把它放到這個計劃裡面當時是比較分散嘛後來就把它整體把這個有關的項目就把它放在一起這樣展現整個那個整個那個施政上的一個項目還有這個實際的一個效果這樣子就不會再分散出去因為非農藥照管理主要是避免那個除草劑去運用所以就是這樣那這跟國家安全也有關喔"},{"start":4110.777,"end":4111.618,"text":"這是政府積極在推動國家"},{"start":4132.392,"end":4153.641,"text":"其實我們當時提的時候跟這個沒有關係啦對那你們還灌了國家兩個字大家都覺得是國防部的相關機構沒有所以這個以後我們再檢討一下這個這個名稱你們是為了交報告所以必須這樣子也沒有啦當時我們是想說因為韌性社會是一個很大家比較容易了解的啦"},{"start":4154.241,"end":4154.641,"text":"國際化學報告"},{"start":4167.052,"end":4167.072,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":4198.385,"end":4223.704,"text":"36案改組決議37案是陳金輝委員提案改凍結100萬元科目調整為因應氣候變天計劃然後兩個月內提書面報告委員已簽名37案凍結100萬那科目自行調整那提書面報告38案是楊武耀委員提案改凍結100萬元科目調整然後委員已簽名"},{"start":4225.405,"end":4243.993,"text":"三十八案凍結一百萬科目調整三十九案三十九案是劉建國委員提案那委員還沒有簽名三十九案保留四十案四十案是王育明委員提案那我們是建議是不是可以改凍結一百萬元然後科目調整好凍結一百萬"},{"start":4245.954,"end":4265.384,"text":"四十案凍結一百萬科目執行調整四十一案是楊耀委員提案那已經跟委員討論改為主決議那委員已簽名四十一案改主決議四十二案是王育明委員提案那我們是建議改凍結一百萬元但委員還沒有簽名"},{"start":4266.765,"end":4288.683,"text":"這個是有關於溫室氣體的排放量未達標你們也受到監察院的糾正那這個其實也是現在應該是你們的重點所以你們推動減量我覺得這個成效還是不如預期所以是要督促你們要這個部分其實應該要做更多所以這個部分凍結數應該要比較高凍結300萬"},{"start":4293.615,"end":4301.681,"text":"因為委員我們那個氣候變遷這個是目前最高是100啦啊如果如果200可以嗎或者是"},{"start":4306.499,"end":4308.8,"text":"四十二案凍結三百萬科目自行調整四十三案是楊耀委員提案改為主決議委員已簽名"},{"start":4330.153,"end":4349.008,"text":"44案是劉建國委員提案改動節建議改動節100萬但委員還沒有簽名。好44案保留45案。44萬委員已簽名有修正文字提交書面報告。"},{"start":4350.492,"end":4354.316,"text":"所以已經簽了?"},{"start":4354.316,"end":4358.94,"text":"45萬文字修正然後提書面報告。接下來我們要開始審"},{"start":4364.813,"end":4388.842,"text":"對、對、對。進行審查環境部函送環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案主案討論總共有委員提案5案那每案先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見第一案第一案是曾經會等委員提出的那經溝通改為主決議"},{"start":4392.516,"end":4420.721,"text":"以簽名已經簽名好第一案改組決議第二案第二案也是曾經會等委員提出來的經溝通以後也改組決議第二案改組也已經簽名了好第二案改組決議好那接下來是財團法人環境與發展基金會的第一案這邊跟委員報告五案都已經委員都已經簽名都是改組決議"},{"start":4421.997,"end":4423.478,"text":"喔全部都改組決議了齁?"},{"start":4423.478,"end":4450.898,"text":"是。 好。 好那還沒有收到簽名喔。 有嗎?如果有委員有簽名同意的話就先送過來。 因為剛剛才跟委員溝通。 就是第5案那個不動產的是沒有。"},{"start":4452.746,"end":4464.837,"text":"財團法人環境與發展基金會的第一案現在是改組決議了嗎?對,然後以簽名。好,那第二案呢?也是改組決議以簽名。剛剛不是說,有沒有?"},{"start":4479.537,"end":4490.95,"text":"有沒有簽?沒有這個是陳金輝委員的對現在是財團法人不是啦剛剛是那個財團法人環境"},{"start":4496.152,"end":4496.872,"text":"第二案保留"},{"start":4523.294,"end":4551.283,"text":"第2保留再來財團法人環境權保障基金會改組決議委員一簽名好那這個改組決議接下來好那現在我們就昨天公務預算保留於第二輪的提案繼續審查那美岸還是先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見"},{"start":4552.739,"end":4553.4,"text":"公務預算保留的部份"},{"start":4587.234,"end":4587.775,"text":"第三案改組決議第七案改組決議"},{"start":4600.621,"end":4626.532,"text":"第7案是成員委員的提案委員已經簽名同意改簡列10萬元動50萬兩個月提書面報告科目可自行調整第7案簡列10萬動節50萬科目自行調整在這邊跟委員補充報告就是說昨天有第10案到第13案是可以合併"},{"start":4627.913,"end":4657.14,"text":"合併的案件那因為我們第8案楊耀委員提楊耀委員改動解50萬他是可以併案的所以想要跟委員主席報告第8案併落10到13案然後主案是11案第8案併到10跟11、12、13對然後主案是11案好謝謝委員那接下來昨天保留第17案"},{"start":4660.318,"end":4667.543,"text":"第17案是那個廖委員提案昨天已經簽名改簡列現役與勤委辦費20萬可併案簡列簡列20萬是可併案簡列好那第17案就是簡列20萬可併案是好第18案"},{"start":4684.551,"end":4703.225,"text":"那18案這邊跟土委員來溝通那是改凍結100萬那同時是3個月提書面報告那也把這個主辦單位改為資源循環署好那18案就是凍結100萬凍結100萬是嗎對OK好好OK好那第21案"},{"start":4712.356,"end":4734.044,"text":"二十一案是廖清泉委員提案 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謝謝委員。"},{"start":4881.212,"end":4898.828,"text":"所以現在是21、22、23、24、25個簡列20萬。 不是,不是,它是整個水電費,就是我們那個數的部分還有不的部分都有那個水電費的案子。 對。"},{"start":4907.903,"end":4918.167,"text":"我們先整理一下好了那個是不是會計這邊整理一下對對啊你們是幾案21所以你現在是21案然後27案還有21案129302207236302"},{"start":4937.487,"end":4957.617,"text":"一二九總共五個案所以是這個太太亂了我們我們調整好來再二十一岸對二十一岸沒問題了吧對對因為他現在是整個五個案各減二十萬對減二十萬"},{"start":4960.575,"end":4962.437,"text":"二十一案就是簡略二十萬"},{"start":4975.775,"end":4991.088,"text":"二十二案王委員已經簽名改檢列二十萬昨天有在跟委員這邊報告讓我們可以併案就是17案併過來22案"},{"start":4994.571,"end":4996.853,"text":"二十四案二十四案二十五案"},{"start":5026.975,"end":5028.795,"text":"第二十五案第二十五二十五天了哈"},{"start":5052.677,"end":5059.362,"text":"好有簽了是是那個委員有簽了"},{"start":5072.844,"end":5084.117,"text":"動輒10%改書面報告部份文字修正第二十五案改動輒10%改書面報告二十九案"},{"start":5089.421,"end":5111.486,"text":"圖全集委員昨天提案凍結50萬元然後科目改為氣候變遷那已簽名委員已簽名第29案凍結50萬科目自行調整30案跟主席報告30案昨天廖偉祥委員已經簽名同意改凍結100萬2個月提書面報告可併案"},{"start":5116.248,"end":5138.798,"text":"三十案動一百萬然後提可併案可併案提書面報告是好然後補充報告就是說互相委員還有三十四案也是可以併案因此呢搭配昨天有三十一三十二也可以併案呃我這邊報告一下三十三十一三十二三十四併動一百萬兩個月提書面報告以三十一案為主案"},{"start":5148.068,"end":5167.102,"text":"三十案、三十一案、三十二案、三十四案並動一百萬,兩個月提書面報告,以三十一案為主案。好,那就三十、三一、三二、三四、並案。動一百。是。謝謝主席。三十八案。"},{"start":5168.726,"end":5188.898,"text":"三十八案這邊說明關於書信委員已經簽名同意改組決議好三十八案改組決議四十一案好四十一案凍結兩百萬四十八案"},{"start":5195.407,"end":5221.555,"text":"報告主席48案是六位前六位委員的提案那原先是江浦都會動解10%大概動600多萬那後來我們跟委員辦公室說明然後資料也交了那委員後來我們改的版本委員變成改動1200萬所以這裡跟委員報告是不是這個"},{"start":5223.717,"end":5252.594,"text":"重結的額度可以再降低一點因為1200萬這個科目裡面雖然有2億5000萬可是大部分都是獎補助費亮委員第48案那讓你們科目自調好不好重結數能不能降低啊"},{"start":5256.435,"end":5271.05,"text":"動結數到時候你們提出專案報告之後再 因為1200萬這個整個預算扣掉江浦諸位其實只剩6000多萬那現在變成動1200萬是有點高一點那能不能改動500萬"},{"start":5281.215,"end":5294.745,"text":"那因為獎補助都是補助地方當然當然我們說扣除獎對啊還有六千萬耶所以我先動一千二然後剩下的之後專案報告後可以"},{"start":5297.458,"end":5310.007,"text":"那個是空氣品質保護向下的經費,不是監測的經費,那兩邊沒有辦法兜在一起,是不是那個經費再增走一下,因為那個會影響到我們的業務推動?"},{"start":5313.989,"end":5335.454,"text":"這兩個是不一樣的那個事情是監測這邊要做的但是動到空氣保護的經費好那就因為你們現在空氣保護這一塊我們覺得應該要好好的檢討嘛所以尤其是我們那天在講這個AI到底就是聽起來好像是為了為了做而做那這樣好不好600萬動600萬"},{"start":5344.847,"end":5369.532,"text":"好,謝謝委員所以48案是動600那有提書面報告嗎?好,那就動600提書面報告專案報告專案報告專案報告專案報告然後金委員會同意後時的動資"},{"start":5371.138,"end":5372.219,"text":"該報告的點是因為"},{"start":5389.867,"end":5410.854,"text":"你現在導入AI或是這些空氣品質監測其實最主要就是希望改善空氣品質所以我們需要說那你實際上面你導入之後的成效如何我覺得這應該也是我們國人很關心的或是我們委員會甚至是關心空氣品質的這個部分所以我覺得專案報告應該是沒有問題那就這樣好不好專案報告要動600萬"},{"start":5417.392,"end":5427.377,"text":"委員能不能順便報告兼同意。 動專案報告的困難是?"},{"start":5427.377,"end":5439.542,"text":"因為跟委員報告其實比較因為譬如說剛剛委員提到的是空氣品質改善或是其他的等於在環境的市政上面的"},{"start":5439.922,"end":5453.268,"text":"因為我們是AI其實是輔助的工具所以這個我們是比較建議輔助當然要配合說執行面嘛你既然你要收集數據你要做分析判斷就是要看你的執行的成效"},{"start":5454.574,"end":5454.694,"text":"謝謝委員謝謝委員"},{"start":5478.305,"end":5506.266,"text":"好那第48案就是凍結600然後專案報告好在56案56案是56案是王詠文委員提案後來昨天下午在跟委員這邊報告過之後就改凍500萬元"},{"start":5508.937,"end":5516.581,"text":"五十六案動五百萬六十二案五十七案現在改動一百萬元然後加一個報告可能又加書面報告"},{"start":5532.85,"end":5535.693,"text":"所以57案現在是動100提書面報告那5657之前有病案現在還要病案嗎?不病沒關係在62案"},{"start":5558.772,"end":5585.691,"text":"六十案昨天跟王立民委員這邊有報告過之後改凍結五百萬委員以簽字凍結六十二案改凍結五百萬六十二案凍結五百萬在七十四案七十四案那個陳立民委員這邊改組決議以簽字七十四案改組決議"},{"start":5591.357,"end":5592.778,"text":"75案75案改組決議84案"},{"start":5616.255,"end":5625.745,"text":"八十四案體驗委員已簽名改簡列10萬改凍結100萬科目可調整書面報告好八十四案簡列10萬凍結100萬科目自行調整書面報告書面報告好再九十六案"},{"start":5651.092,"end":5652.273,"text":"這個稱為已經簽名簽名怎樣?凍結還是凍結改凍結100萬書面報告96案凍結100萬書面報告在119119案"},{"start":5674.02,"end":5697.345,"text":"119案是劉建國委員提案改凍結100萬元科目可調整可併案那劉委員已經簽名好119案凍結100萬科目自行調整可併案121案121案是王衛原委員提案那我們初步是建議改凍結100萬元那委員還沒有簽名好王衛原"},{"start":5701.563,"end":5708.692,"text":"這個部分改凍結200萬好謝謝謝謝委員那委員是不是科目可以讓我們調整因為我們經費比較少就是委員說改凍結200萬然後科目可調整那121案凍結200萬科目自行調整"},{"start":5722.489,"end":5751.106,"text":"一二九案一二九案是那個書召委的那個提案那他因為是跟水電有關所以是不是在剛剛那個就是簡略20萬簡略20萬一二九案簡略20萬一三零案一三零案是那個廖偉強委員提案那也是有關於那個水電的這個部分所以也是簡略20萬"},{"start":5753.891,"end":5779.445,"text":"簡略可是因為跟那個蘇委員的是是同樣的那請那個廖委員哎對廖委員那個第130提案就是有關氣候變遷署的那個水電那因為那個呃現在是同一跟蘇委員的那個提案是同一筆那可不可以就併案就併案處理就是簡略二十萬"},{"start":5784.497,"end":5804.65,"text":"議員會議員會議員會"},{"start":5806.138,"end":5825.005,"text":"我又想跟廖委員說明一下就是說我們氣候變遷署因為去年才搬到新的辦公室的空間那我們因為碳費要徵收所以我們人力有增加目前也跟國產署就是有增加樓地板面積增加了一倍所以確實那個需要的那個電會比那個今年再增加"},{"start":5825.445,"end":5828.186,"text":"公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案公務及基金預算案"},{"start":5851.733,"end":5855.375,"text":"133案是劉建國委員的提案那委員就是同意改凍結100萬元科目調整提書面報告委員已簽名凍結"},{"start":5869.888,"end":5889.62,"text":"那就是133案就是凍結100那科目執行調整對那跟主席報告就是因為我們剛剛是進行到那個科技發展那我是把那個病案因為王委員那個提案是那個凍結數比較高所以我把它說明一下就是那個116、117、118、119、120、121、123"},{"start":5897.345,"end":5924.435,"text":"一二四一二五一二六都並那個王委員呃的提案那個一二一的提案就是凍結兩百萬好那這個接下來是那個呃等一下等一下等一下有的沒有簽併案對對對委員沒有有的委員沒有病嗎"},{"start":5926.141,"end":5927.422,"text":"我們這邊都有簽併案。 116、117、118、119、120、121、123、124、125、126。 然後主案是121。 那併動200萬元。"},{"start":5955.843,"end":5955.983,"text":"116、117、118、119、120、121、123、124、125、126并動200萬元。"},{"start":5977.168,"end":5993.48,"text":"136案136是王育民委員提案那委員是關心就是我們在氣候變遷資訊服務的項目下那我們本來是建議說改組決議那昨天也有提供這個資訊服務的這個工作項目給委員王委員"},{"start":5999.375,"end":6020.76,"text":"對,我們後來因為委員昨天說我們本來委員說就動300啦那那我們就項目是不是一樣就是提好那就是不是提高到那個氣候變遷的就是科目可以調整好謝謝委員那136案就是動300萬科目自行調整140案"},{"start":6026.35,"end":6040.395,"text":"140案是那個劉建國委員那改凍結100萬元科目可以調整然後提書面高高可併案那劉委員已經簽名140案凍結100萬科目自行調整那提書面報告"},{"start":6042.592,"end":6058.475,"text":"154案。 154案也是那個劉建國委員提案。 那個主席我們是不是剛剛那個就是氣候變遷向下的那個病案也在這邊做一個那個跟報告就是說115、132、133、137、138、140、141、144、146"},{"start":6070.356,"end":6074.31,"text":"一五二都並那個剛剛王委員提案一四六"},{"start":6085.461,"end":6099.328,"text":"一、二、三、三、一、三、七、一、三、八、一、四、零、一、四、一、一、四、四、一、四、六、一、五、二、并一、四、六案并那個動三百萬。 是。 好。"},{"start":6104.95,"end":6114.855,"text":"154那個劉建國委員提案是有關主決議那委員還沒有簽名委員劉委員就是有關那個"},{"start":6116.817,"end":6141.664,"text":"農損。"},{"start":6145.578,"end":6171.838,"text":"就是不要說一定比例啦但是我們一定會用那個去對這個農損的這個去提那個機制你這樣講好奇怪就就同樣的改組就是照這個組決議對不對一定比例是怎樣你們一定會去做跟一定比例有什麼樣的衝突"},{"start":6173.191,"end":6199.945,"text":"好,不然我們遵照辦理啦,因為謝謝委員。好,謝謝,我們就遵照辦理。好,那154案就主決議。好,通過。166。165案這邊就是廖委員就是要檢慮部分,那建議委員可以改第5屆100萬。好,廖委員。廖委員166案。"},{"start":6216.561,"end":6232.229,"text":"因為這個承攬業務額的金額增加了蠻多的那當然你有你所謂的理由那我覺得還是保留中央會計算是是是那我也這邊說明一下我們為了省會增加費用是因為之後明年就會簽到那個獨立機關的房舍啦那現在都是用環境部的所以需要來增加費用那希望委員可以支持好"},{"start":6234.835,"end":6249.86,"text":"166案保留送院會協商169案 169案是王委員這邊我們這個是要來推動減量還有回收希望委員可以支持我們凍結500萬"},{"start":6252.503,"end":6252.663,"text":"一八六案"},{"start":6274.466,"end":6291.841,"text":"那186案這邊呢也是王委員這邊那希望可以支持我們凍結300萬元那這部分因為垃圾處理我們這邊有很多的計畫都有在積極推動希望委員可以支持這一案就是為此凍結500萬好謝謝委員所以是186案凍結500萬好198案"},{"start":6307.193,"end":6332.824,"text":"198193198198198198198198198198198198198198198"},{"start":6339.052,"end":6356.998,"text":"二零七案二零七案是蘇委員這裡剛剛對於水電的部分是檢列二十萬元科目自行調整那委員您簽名二零七案檢列二十萬二一五案"},{"start":6358.004,"end":6367.678,"text":"二一五案王毓民委員這邊有提案凍結五百萬元那最主要是化學園的運作我們有跟辦公室這邊也提供資料來說明不過委員還是覺得說"},{"start":6369.855,"end":6370.916,"text":"二一五案就是凍結五百萬科目自行調整二一六案"},{"start":6392.143,"end":6413.336,"text":"二一六案是廖委員所提的那當然這個我們在預算書上編列就是我們有計劃別綜合規劃那還有其他的總共有四個那委員會覺得說綜合規劃這裡怎麼通訊會會比其他高很多高的比較多那我們跟委員報告就是"},{"start":6415.31,"end":6437.499,"text":"各個計畫裡面的通信費其實都是電話跟郵資這個是裡面一部分那我們化學署這裡的整個的資訊是放在中規的綜合規劃組所以這裡就是包括我們的網路、機房還有網頁維護還有一些設備的更新所以這裡就這個綜合規劃這裡會比較多所以整體上是整個署來運用"},{"start":6443.081,"end":6470.387,"text":"那那個其他的都是那個...這樣費用不會過高嗎?不會,因為我們歷年齁,我們這裡有資料歷年來的執行情形齁,我們可以給你們參考。到目前為止已經差不多這個數量。我們都是核實來編列的。那個是整體的基房、廣通這一塊。我們有一個資訊課啦,所以就把它放在這個地方。是蠻核實來編列的。"},{"start":6471.892,"end":6498.989,"text":"那一些我覺得還是保留送院會協商好了。 好那216案就是保留送院會協商。 227案。 227案也是我這邊的案那這一案我也是主張應該要我有提三檢那所以這一部分也是送院會協商。 227案保留送院會協商。 235案。"},{"start":6503.574,"end":6529.648,"text":"235案是廖委員的我們有跟國會辦公室這些先協調是不是改凍結30萬科目自行調整順便報告並案這個水電費跟前面一樣也保留送院會協商其他的單位我也是這樣處理235案保留送院會協商236案"},{"start":6531.345,"end":6547.089,"text":"二三六案書委員已經簽名改三二十萬然後科目自行調整二三六案簡列二十萬科目自行調整"},{"start":6550.612,"end":6578.081,"text":"二四零案二四零案陳盈委員已經簽名那這裡面就改簡略五十萬凍結兩百萬這個科目可自行調整提書面報告二四零案簡略五十萬凍結兩百萬科目自行調整二四一案二四一案委員已經簽名改組決議"},{"start":6579.741,"end":6603.925,"text":"二十一案改組決議二十四六案二十四六案二十四六案這個蘇委員這裡還沒有簽名蘇委員蘇委員是不是是我有在我有在"},{"start":6607.58,"end":6628.852,"text":"二四六、二四九、二五零還有二五一這都是要出國的啦要出國考察的你看我就會看這個一個大方向喔有幾點的啦啊出國這個你是要看公車台灣就看不完要看什麼啦"},{"start":6632.034,"end":6635.758,"text":"公測是今年5月開始新的一個業務整個台灣也公測開始要優質化然後整體上文化的建立"},{"start":6648.251,"end":6675.53,"text":"我們認為日本的東京澀谷地區有為了辦奧運他有17個非常著名的公廁由很好的設計師去設計是不是有機會我們同仁都沒有出過國去看這種公廁那如果有機會的話出去學習回來其實對台灣整體公廁應該會有大幅的提升啦之前從來沒有做過這種出國的計畫"},{"start":6678.311,"end":6704.242,"text":"出國考察如果能落實確實我是OK啦但是如果是實際出國玩樂齁不會被逮到被照相會死的慘啦我這個一期齁跟你們簡略一些啦好幾案加起來你們自己去調啦好不好"},{"start":6706.94,"end":6724.645,"text":"這幾個案子統一我們來調整科目給你檢列多少你自己講啦這其實都是核實的那出國計畫都有一定的標準是不是"},{"start":6727.226,"end":6739.534,"text":"我們總經費也不多啦是不是給我們減劣5萬這樣子好不好因為雖然很多案子確實是都編的很少我剛畢業前我財產結果給你減劣10萬塊啦好不好好謝謝委員"},{"start":6752.645,"end":6759.088,"text":"那現在來所以是246、249、250、251案各減列合併合併減列10萬合併減列10萬好科目諮詢調整抱歉還有加上253"},{"start":6782.757,"end":6784.858,"text":"所以是246、249、250、251合併減列還有253251之後是253合併減列10萬自行調整"},{"start":6805.266,"end":6827.895,"text":"二、四、六、二、四、九、二、五、零、二、五、一、二、五、三合併檢列十萬科目自行調整。 是。 是這樣。好。那接下來二、四、八案二、四、八案委員已經簽名提書面報告兩個月之內動百分之十"},{"start":6832.369,"end":6842.415,"text":"就是凍結百分之十是好248案凍結百分之十248再來就有255案255案就凍結兩百萬255案是不是委員齁這個讓我們"},{"start":6857.49,"end":6873.825,"text":"這個噪音問題很嚴重,要不然就送院會學生。委員這個是不是因為那個詳細的說明要跟委員辦公室這邊說明當時是說是不是動100萬科目我們來調整我們送書面報告給委員來做這個參考這樣子"},{"start":6881.452,"end":6896.11,"text":"阿這個報告經委員會同意之後我們才...沒有我黃管署沒有幾個案子啦就凍結兩百啦好好那我們就遵照委員的意見辦理謝謝"},{"start":6902.363,"end":6916.357,"text":"二五五是凍結兩百萬。 科目可自行調整。 科目自行調整。 是。 二六零案。 二六零案這個我有提出三件就送院會協商。"},{"start":6921.448,"end":6928.783,"text":"包委員,我們要說明我們的工作狀況是不是給我們改動50萬來做處理"},{"start":6934.358,"end":6954.627,"text":"這個其實也都是在稽查的部分啦稽查其實我們跟地方配合的相當的密切啦牽涉到那個非法棄置跟有害廢棄物沒關係啦你們幾乎每一署我都有個案子就保留受那個院會寫上好"},{"start":6963.361,"end":6991.805,"text":"好 那就委員 那個好 那260案就保留齁 送院會協商261案261案 欸 劉委員這裡是不是能夠給我們支持委員辦公室 劉委員 261案不是 昨天不是講過了昨天講過了 同意 是 你同意什麼"},{"start":6992.714,"end":7009.024,"text":"我沒有保留我毫無保留我講很多我改講都講了我一點都沒有保留好謝謝謝謝委員所以就照"},{"start":7011.024,"end":7025.797,"text":"我這樣啦齁 這個 柏中你可能再聽一次好不好 我覺得我剛聽到公測的問題齁 其實同仁要去考察我100%支持啦 我也不會去刪 但是再去考察公測齁"},{"start":7028.57,"end":7047.338,"text":"我是聽得很難聽的。環保署的期間公測部分要去改善、要去精進、要去再造或是怎麼樣。這其實一段期來有次的時間了啦。那如果到現在的考察還在看公測。"},{"start":7049.258,"end":7077.232,"text":"我實在因為別人的提案我也不再自主太多了我是覺得就那是不太像環境部那還是在環保署的思維公測很重要啦沒有錯嘛對不對我們處理公測的事情站在環境部的角度我想已經這怎麼講我剛剛聽你的回應的時候我以為你們要去看比較更精進的"},{"start":7078.272,"end":7102.048,"text":"還是你去看人家公車進進到跟我們台灣目前的公車裡面處理的那個階段的那個計畫到底落差什麼地方你如果表達出來我或許還可以接受但是我聽起來是因為人家辦什麼樣的一個大型的活動所以他的廁所就怎麼樣怎麼樣那等於我們就是一直要跟著這樣的一個腳步去做我們的政策的再做延續再做變動"},{"start":7104.436,"end":7120.641,"text":"委員 臺灣的貶索算你經過那久的時間那樣的模特會創新模特會更加進展一定要考察去看某一個國家的大型的一個活動的廁所我們才可以領悟到這樣的一個"},{"start":7123.145,"end":7145.203,"text":"我不曉得這是什麼不好意思跟委員報告我們非常贊同委員的意見指導確實這個環境管理署從這個成立之後業務廁所改由我們來主政以往的廁所我們比較傾向不髒不臭不濕這三個然後在新建廁所的時候"},{"start":7146.403,"end":7170.077,"text":"一間一間一間來不住現在的廁所們比較傾向於他應該是要改變我們台灣的如廁文化跟形成全國的建築的公共藝術而他不是只有一個方便而已他除了這個之外應該營造把AI技術納入另外形造"},{"start":7170.697,"end":7171.178,"text":"一篇文章"},{"start":7185.954,"end":7206.435,"text":"整個跟環境的融合跟當地文化這個部分我們是覺得日本真的做得相當的不錯那我們以往一間一間的方式可否改成我們真的會以廁所是在台灣是一個特色為榮這件事情我們是去思考這件事情"},{"start":7207.679,"end":7221.197,"text":"公測公共預算案不是現在才在談論的事情,像是很多的地方政府人家早已經有在這樣在做了,這裡你要去參考那個有達到你講的已經把公測跟AI做結合嗎?"},{"start":7221.197,"end":7221.217,"text":"有"},{"start":7222.719,"end":7239.348,"text":"有,現在日本有這個技術所以我們也想去看一下包括那個就是說例如說有些異位啦那個偵測會主動的提醒打掃的頻率啦因為現在打掃又一天幾次嘛如果有味道清理不乾淨有一些IoT的sensor可以這樣進來啦"},{"start":7241.949,"end":7265.427,"text":"阿我們希望做未來會因為這樣的話第一個可以減少人力嘛齁人力的調配會更好品質會更好啦那的確日本有幾個在東京有幾個新的地方是這樣那我也還沒有看過我說網路上看阿因為有一個那個藝術廣視演一個我的完美日常嘛那個那種職人的文化我們希望把它引進來在台灣因為其實這個尊嚴的問題在台灣一直不受重視啦嘿謝謝委員"},{"start":7271.485,"end":7284.999,"text":"那個職人的文化應該不是現在啦對不對那個是2年前就有了嘛對不對所以以前你們去看的時候都沒有看到職人的那個所以要分年去看才可以看得到這個也很奇怪的說喔"},{"start":7286.48,"end":7302.327,"text":"我們還是期待就是說因為他有職人文化我們還推動如果廁所很乾淨要向打掃廁所的人說一聲金錢去謝謝你這是大概是我們除了硬體以外還要再推動的部分"},{"start":7304.307,"end":7306.248,"text":"因為這個是不是讓我們能夠動100萬元3個月提書面報告並案"},{"start":7331.045,"end":7356.684,"text":"我昨天三節你有講得很清楚了嘛對不對然後我還隱喻其他的狀況給你們做參考嘛你們好像也是一樣無動於衷那後來後來當然我有聽說有改善了啦齁有改善但是這我的內容在這很清楚你們對政府的處理方式是我沒辦法溝通的嘛對啊你也沒在講你們政府的管理你們要不要去做改變啦以前是還兩年還年初一年就要退場了齁"},{"start":7359.144,"end":7359.164,"text":"檢列50、動100"},{"start":7382.731,"end":7383.091,"text":"提書面報告。"},{"start":7408.56,"end":7417.794,"text":"283案這裏也是劉委員希望我們落實這一個283是不是劉委這裏已經簽了"},{"start":7425.235,"end":7429.457,"text":"二、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團法人一、繼續審查環境部函送財團"},{"start":7445.623,"end":7451.186,"text":"依照委員簽名的內容。 283案凍結100萬,後續再提書面報告。 285案如委員已經簽名,改動200萬書面報告可併案。 285案凍結200萬,提書面報告。"},{"start":7471.399,"end":7472.12,"text":"285案是凍結200萬題書面報告。290案"},{"start":7493.486,"end":7513.331,"text":"二九零案陳委員這裡已經簽名然後是凍結一百萬阿科穆是不是可以自行調整簽了嗎書面報告二九零案凍結一百萬提書面報告凍結一千萬凍結一千萬"},{"start":7518.035,"end":7538.86,"text":"二九零案凍結一千萬科目自行調整提書面報告科目自行調整三零二案三零二案書委員這案子三二十萬科目自行調整以簽名三零二案簡列二十萬科目自行調整"},{"start":7539.889,"end":7565.259,"text":"二、繼續審查環境部主管預算案關於環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境部主管二、繼續審查環境"},{"start":7571.792,"end":7598.332,"text":"三零二三零二就檢列二十萬然後科目執行調整三零六三零六案料援這個案子改凍結環境研究科目五十萬那科目執行調整那提報告金委員會同意後時的凍結三零六就是凍結五十萬"},{"start":7599.741,"end":7613.906,"text":"那科目是環境研究提到上一個環境研究科目好好提到環境研究好好那剛剛那個198案原本是陳委員的那剛剛陳委員沒有來是不是來"},{"start":7617.145,"end":7640.771,"text":"很久到經濟部質詢他說是那個環境部的環境部這邊說不是他們的責任我想說是好好去部長那個就說這件事柯林愛面對面大家把它解決掉就再生他說發展條例他們的如果這樣子糾纏不清責任也不清"},{"start":7642.765,"end":7648.634,"text":"是盡快排案然後就是面對面兩個部會把它處理好"},{"start":7654.404,"end":7681.562,"text":"委員我們這邊像次長在有些跨部會他都會幫我們協調不然部長也會那我們在這邊會協調那到時候會提書面報告現在不是我不相信部長而是這個經濟部就會說是你們的事我去質詢過啦他就說是你們的那這邊剛剛他們解釋就說是這是經濟部事實上不是這樣的那我們總要把它搞清楚但是能源發展條例確實是在經濟部預告"},{"start":7684.384,"end":7708.139,"text":"但是再生能源的什麼東西能夠做包括SRF什麼能夠這個定義他又說是你們在決定的?沒有包委員其實那個都完全是我們在決定的現在是我們有要求是怎麼樣那其實有協商過一次那當然我知道他們最近的名詞有些調整那是不是容許我能夠再跟他們我進行我會跟那個國務長談"},{"start":7708.979,"end":7711.841,"text":"我看到最新的是跟我上次看到的是有一點點不一樣"},{"start":7735.411,"end":7761.409,"text":"恭喜你啦沒有啦沒有啦這個是我們會去堅持的啦那什麼時候你要啟動這個你要去跟他溝通我們會來就是因為這個其實像這個SRF的相關的這個爭議對啊SRF的爭議就是一直存在啊這個我們會來因為現在SRF是我們會扛起來所以委員可以放心那我們會是不是扛起來就連這個財政能源發展條例也回來這裡我會來這個要求就是乾脆都你們來"},{"start":7762.594,"end":7771.521,"text":"我會來要求做這個事情的。 我覺得他做他的發展你要再算上後欸。 對我知道。 我就一直在質詢。 我知道我知道我知道。 是不是委員給我們3個月的時間。 那改動節200萬元。 是。"},{"start":7777.83,"end":7778.91,"text":"稍後要跟經濟部"},{"start":7797.024,"end":7818.249,"text":"這個疊對疊,要好好講清楚。 不會疊對疊,是我們有我們的主張。 那如果兩邊還是不一樣的,因為我質詢的時候大家就推來推去的。 很多人關心啦,SRF很多人關心啦,爭議的東西一Google都一大票啊,很多人在關心這個議題。 到底哪些可以燒?塑膠可以燒嗎?橡膠可以燒嗎?"},{"start":7821.274,"end":7846.451,"text":"阿現在是雙重就是某些可以又某些不可以阿發電設備是不可以但是其他的好像又可以阿對對這個這個我們因為我們的管理辦法會來擬這個事情啦會有一個等於是說委員關心的其實我們明年底會有一個白皮書然後我們現在在以管理辦法那這個我覺得下一個會期我們可以可以為我們可以來辦一些這個算案報告但是又趕快讓他"},{"start":7847.412,"end":7859.482,"text":"因為現在有很多,如果不清楚他就一直發許可證啊,就操作許可什麼就一直發出去啊。 那這些是我們這邊在發的。 我們在處理的。 其實很多人都在鑽漏洞都一直在做,所以我會認為這個不處理就是等幫SR廠商開後門啊,開巧門啊。 包委員其實沒有巧門,現在是門在縮,門越來越緊。 是我們這邊在處理。 只是少了一個發電設備啊。 對。"},{"start":7872.915,"end":7883.371,"text":"但是我那多久?您剛剛說有多久?三個月好不好?那我會看到報告而已嗎?還是一個?因為我相信很多人關心啊還是?"},{"start":7884.949,"end":7908.038,"text":"我也是只有一個報告啦我們現在都是實際在做那因為年底要提白皮書還有提這個辦法那目前都在跟各界溝通那也把這些規範都要定清楚我們看到要是具體成果你們努力我們了解相信但是我們要希望快點看到結果沒有問題就委員你關心的是那個跟再生能源那邊的我們會來堅持一些事啦"},{"start":7908.638,"end":7936.273,"text":"我也希望委員多支持不要讓我們去質詢的時候到了那邊他就說是你們的在這邊你們跟我說是他那一頭的OK好我會來協調這個事情經濟部是很他就會直接回答回答說是環境部我們保護環境的那你你如果覺得不該你負責的你就要就要這件事情要處理好好沒問題謝謝委員這個我們會來處理啦好不好那是不是可以我們等一下提供一個文字是不是改凍結200萬"},{"start":7938.929,"end":7966.389,"text":"錢的部分可以討論然後那個那專案報告你溝通完了要做來做個專案我們找是不是我們我們就是可能是下個會期我們找經濟部一起來討論這個事情就再一點一點點時間好啊有個時間你要按壓個時間嗎不然我這個兩個月三個月呃三個月要過年期可能下個會期下個會期的哦要下個哦哦對對對下個會期"},{"start":7968.415,"end":7974.62,"text":"希望下個月會期你們會優先做出這個報告,你們討論結果的報告好嗎?好,可以,謝謝委員。凍結200,然後專案報告。專案報告,就是下個會期的優先專案報告。好,那198案就是凍結200萬專案報告。"},{"start":7992.712,"end":7996.998,"text":"第9案 請環境部於2個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第16案"},{"start":8007.731,"end":8013.754,"text":"有關環境部114年度一般行政基本行政工作維持編列7337萬元較上年度新增636萬8千元辦理新聞輿情及汰換化劑等請該部審慎評估各項採購案並本與準決原則辦理。"},{"start":8024.618,"end":8049.977,"text":"第三十五案請環境部於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第三十六案為重視民眾之權益請環境部持續加強執行稽查工作維護良好環境品質於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第四十三案請環境部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告說明環評法施行細則修法規劃及時程"},{"start":8052.539,"end":8074.137,"text":"第58案請環境部於1個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出台灣岸電推動書面報告。第65、67及69案修正為請環境部於3個月內針對機動車輛噪音管制提出精進書面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。第71案"},{"start":8076.36,"end":8090.135,"text":"請環境部於3個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出機動車輛噪音精進書面報告。第88案請環境部向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第101案"},{"start":8092.016,"end":8112.394,"text":"請環境部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面說明。第102案修正默劇文字為請環境部與金管會。第109案修正第二段第三行文字為分別較一一三年度增加二人減少五人零人減少一人零人。"},{"start":8114.127,"end":8133.459,"text":"第122案,修正默思據為,以與全球市場對接,請環境部氣候變遷屬於3個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第145案,請環境部氣候變遷屬於1個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。"},{"start":8134.6,"end":8162.699,"text":"第一五零案請環境部氣候變簽署於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第一五一案修正末二據為於二個月內提出書面報告第一五三案一個月改為二個月第一五五案一個月改為二個月第一五六案修正末段第四據為為近期勞動部研究報告推估淨零政策將造成部分產業人口失業"},{"start":8164.127,"end":8164.248,"text":"第161案。"},{"start":8166.021,"end":8194.376,"text":"第161案、179案、180、192及263案均將專案報告改為書面報告刪除文字並經同意後使得動之。第185案修正末二據為以針對塑膠公約方向提出因應措施援請環境部資源循環署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第188案修正末四據為應於三個月內提出檢討及改善計劃。"},{"start":8195.737,"end":8213.92,"text":"第197案修正默劇為送立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會第203案修正後段文字為科技發展為國家重要政策涉及高度專業及技術之系統開發檢測等工作因何時致用執行其成果並因"},{"start":8214.981,"end":8243.476,"text":"知識落地並公開給各界檢閱第二、一、三案修正後段文字為環境部應落實強制環境險毒性及關注化學物質運作之第三人責任保險之推動同時盡速辦理毒物及化學物質管理基金設置事宜積極與產業界溝通協調似取得共識後加速完成相關執法訂定公告當能完備化學物質管理相關行政事宜"},{"start":8244.016,"end":8265.933,"text":"第二二五案修正後段文字為原此請環境部化學物質管理署積極促進業者綠色化學替代增進媒合產學互動並將ESG環境社會公司治理永續發展指標納入評選項目以提升成效達成明確目標第二二九案"},{"start":8266.994,"end":8282.153,"text":"修正後段文字為請環境部化學物質管理署限期於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告第二四三案修正後段文字為請環境部環境管理署查有因實施環評卻與環評審查通過前進行開發案件"},{"start":8286.238,"end":8291.121,"text":"因依環評法規定辦理並檢討環社檢核納入環境部角色於3個月內向立法院及社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第256案修正後段文字為為重視民眾權益請環境部持續加強執行稽查工作維護良好環境品質。第267案修正末段第4句之後文字為請環境部持續關注協助"},{"start":8314.517,"end":8342.963,"text":"第二期五案修正案由第五行之後文字為新建及修繕公廁已達4290座雖超過目標目標4000座但未來計劃仍需著重在公廁新建與改善復以新建公廁為修繕優先補助對象特別是友善及特色公廁請環境部針對沒有廁所需廁所的友善廁所及特色廁所加強努力第二九二案"},{"start":8343.863,"end":8361.27,"text":"修正後段文字為原請國家環境研究院持續強化研究量能並提高自行研究比率。第297案請氣候變遷屬於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第12案"},{"start":8364.043,"end":8380.608,"text":"請環境部於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第26案倒數第二函修正為以編列兩年為有效掌握環境與經濟之間的關係與影響並立國際結軌請環境部參照國際最新規範強化該違反案的實質效益。第38案"},{"start":8391.99,"end":8418.169,"text":"請環境部於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告說明辦理情形與預期效益。第33案請環境部於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第47案請環境部於三個月內針對機動車輛噪音管制提出精進書面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。"},{"start":8419.81,"end":8445.301,"text":"第49案專案報告改為書面報告第59案倒數第二行修正為原請環境部於三個月內針對機動車輛噪音管制提出精進書面報告致立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會第60案請環境部於三個月內針對機動車輛噪音管制全國及"},{"start":8451.007,"end":8470.08,"text":"離島地區提出經濟書面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會第61案倒數第三行修正為請市環境部於三個月內針對機動車輛噪音管制提出經濟書面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會"},{"start":8471.755,"end":8494.482,"text":"第64案最後一段修正為請環境部於三個月內針對機動車輛噪音管制提出經濟出面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。第66案倒數第二行修正為針對機動車輛噪音管制提出經濟出面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。"},{"start":8496.411,"end":8510.284,"text":"第70案,請環境部於三個月內針對機動車輛噪音管制提出經濟書面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。第80案,兩個月改為三個月,改為書面報告。"},{"start":8516.837,"end":8535.416,"text":"第103案倒數第5函修正為請環境部與交通部及經濟部共同合作針對改善專排氣管車輛噪音從源頭落實有效管理。第131案倒數第二函"},{"start":8537.442,"end":8562.814,"text":"雖主要因新設機關業務擴充需增加勞務承攬能力為人因準節支出善用公席。第143案請環境部氣候編寫署於三個月內提出書面報告。第148案於二個月內"},{"start":8564.349,"end":8590.809,"text":"由氣候變遷署嚴離對我國調適氣候變遷策略之影響評估書面報告。第196案請環境部資源循環署要跟勞動部職業安全衛生署及地方政府合作在執行實面清除處理作業時注意勞工個人安全防護以維護勞工健康。"},{"start":8594.795,"end":8616.438,"text":"第202案請環境部於6個月內中整國內各部會實棉管理相關情形及法規等資訊邀請相關從業工會並商討協助實棉瓦廢棄物妥善清理作法。第234案最後一句針列為"},{"start":8618.154,"end":8644.723,"text":"因系114年編列預算時將113年1月條新百分之4列入編列黃管署編列人員因黃管署編列人員維持費應將增加原因明確註明以免造成外界疑慮第二百四十七案請環境部環境管理署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面說明"},{"start":8647.659,"end":8663.422,"text":"第252案請環境部與環境部環境管理署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面說明。第259案汰換稽查督查用車輛應優先汰換為電動車輛。專案報告改為書面報告。第298案"},{"start":8678.39,"end":8695.72,"text":"請國家環境研究院於二個月內提出書面報告第三百零一案請國家環境研究院應以提升用電效能為目標避免用電量成長準決電費支出第三百案一個月內改為兩個月內"},{"start":8699.264,"end":8726.472,"text":"第306案請環境部國家環境研究院於2個月內提出書面報告送立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。第308案請國家環境研究院向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第19案請環境部於3個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出"},{"start":8730.096,"end":8755.126,"text":"環評法施行細則修法執法制作業程序研商會記錄及後續修法規劃書面報告。第72案請環境部針對車輛噪音管制提出精進書面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。第139案"},{"start":8756.943,"end":8780.863,"text":"原請氣候變遷署加強跨部會合作輔導提升查驗機構量能並請環境部於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第142案請環境部氣候署於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第147案"},{"start":8783.48,"end":8792.226,"text":"請環境部氣候變監署於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第176案刪除凍結數宣讀完畢。"},{"start":8813.685,"end":8819.831,"text":"我們先休息10分鐘,休息完之後接下來再進行基金預算還有這個第二輪的討論,來說。"},{"start":8833.2,"end":8838.303,"text":"第259案改組決議剛剛有宣讀了那個宣讀裡面好像有宣讀到要提書面報告那個組決議裡面好像沒有"},{"start":8868.282,"end":8871.965,"text":"178案委員我們在詢問的時候是說提出書面報告那剛剛他沒有畫到178178178178178178178"},{"start":8892.483,"end":8893.584,"text":"好,那178就改書面報告"},{"start":8931.768,"end":8931.928,"text":"第二輪的討論"},{"start":8958.968,"end":8970.295,"text":"二、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人1、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等2、繼續審查環境資源"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那我們要新 所以你如果人員多了你委辦的比例就可以下降了嗎 希望可以變少因為我們現在人力是嚴重不足 對 因為我們委辦跟那個這些企業人員做的事情是有差別的 那因為那你們是不是可以提出那個一些目標 你們的5年之內的目標計畫還有報告 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幫我問那個因為我是負責淨零的那個督導所有部會啦啊交通部的確他們也坦承這個部分是有顯著的落後不過他們的原因還是認為經濟部所在這個國產電動化的部分比較差一點點所以的確是在努力當中啦"},{"start":10430.72,"end":10444.009,"text":"所以這個我有看到一些數字的確是委員預算中心說的的確是一個事實那目前這個這個組織還是屬於在交通部然後另外一個製造是經濟部那我們環境部的是在整個空屋的改善的工作"},{"start":10445.174,"end":10469.308,"text":"所以很多的計畫例如說有些縣市他提的公車補助是到我們這個大西市這邊來進行所以他們前端做不好你們是屬於在後端我們是在後端我們是在例如說某幾個縣市的這個公車的電動化的一個補助像這個小客車或什麼那個就是交通部完全是交通部的工作對啊如果這麼講齁你說機車部分過去我們在這個委員會討論過很多次嘛對不對那機車現在也有問題啊"},{"start":10474.571,"end":10493.902,"text":"我們是負責整個機車轉換有一個環評的增量抵換的部分我們是負責這塊那整個大的政策電動機車或是電動小客車比例多少那是交通部在主責的那他們的那個費用大概都是我看到的數字都是一兩百億一年大概都需要這樣的數字"},{"start":10498.706,"end":10515.057,"text":"部長你這麼講我覺得有點納悶因為過去電動機車我們在這個委員會也討論過多次以上那時候你還沒有來的時候那電動機車的普及率基本上當時環保署都還會列為在這個報告裡面看那個成效然後對委員會做說明"},{"start":10521.221,"end":10528.65,"text":"所以這個怎麼會搞到最後好像都是交通部跟經濟部給我的報告之前111年的時候立法院這邊有一個決議就是之前補電動車去買電動車這件事情"},{"start":10536.158,"end":10553.471,"text":"這是我們啊買了以後就是有些沒有齊所以後來我們就不再補112年開始環境部那時候環保署就不再補硬體就是說我是讓他多齊多用然後減少污染排放就不是說讓他買很多那個電動車進來所以整個車輛的構置就是交通部這邊來推運氣電動化的硬體"},{"start":10559.255,"end":10561.337,"text":"二、繼續審查環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案。 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我很不滿意因為我希望交通部門能夠扛起減碳的責任他們是比較保守一點那我們的確一直給他們很多的建議希望能夠快一點但是他們其實因為還是卡在國產化的速度因為像電動巴士只有紅華嘛那紅華它的量是有限的所以我們希望說他們整個產業鏈可以趕快起來但是現在委員說的都是對的就是說現在的速度他們的確很慢那我們環境部的不是在這個供應鏈供需之間我們是在空污底換的那個部分是我們在協助"},{"start":10797.726,"end":10819.665,"text":"今天不只是慢嘛而且我們還做了非常奇怪的事情嘛那昨天在審查那一案的時候我就不再贅述嘛好那你講的是交通部的事情怎麼會補助電動公車補助到變成去補助二手的柴油公車那個都跟你們沒有關係那個都是交通部嘛對不對對啊就不是你們補助的啊跟你們都沒有關係啊"},{"start":10821.915,"end":10838.834,"text":"那個應該是地方自己的財源 那個不是地方自己財源吧 那個是中央補助款啊 那個不是我們的 不是我們從這邊來的不過如果你們知道這樣的訊息 為什麼你們也都沒有示警或是跟他們講說你來 越走越倒地 到現在還在用遺棄的 遺棄的債務的公車"},{"start":10844.1,"end":10853.13,"text":"這個很奇怪啊我們不可能補助這個委員這個我再了解一下好不好因為我看委員的那個提案我才看到這個事情不好意思"},{"start":10854.116,"end":10871.672,"text":"好了,觀眾你們可以了解清楚之後做一個詳細的答覆啦,好不好?好,沒問題,謝謝,謝謝好啦,這個看要動多少你們自己講吧好啦,他講的啦,部長講的還是你要講比部長高,我沒有意見我就沒講好,謝謝"},{"start":10876.36,"end":10893.266,"text":"好,第10案凍結500萬那科目科目就自行調整嗎?好,OK第14案第14案跟我們辦公室這邊溝通的結果是同意併第13案然後凍300萬好凍300萬好第14案併13案凍結300萬第15案"},{"start":10904.392,"end":10915.096,"text":"第4個案件與李耀銀提案的有關於佐久溪陽城。 跟我們報告一下,今年的陽城的確比較嚴重。 為什麼會這麼嚴重?"},{"start":10915.096,"end":10930.481,"text":"從7月份開始颱風進來,然後10月份有兩個颱風。 所以這樣的結果就是7月份颱風過後, 水利署很快就趕快先做復原。 有些防護的措施先做復原。"},{"start":10931.181,"end":10947.194,"text":"復原結果每一年大概我們花了2.8億的這個費用在裡面可是不幸的是10月份那個颱風再進來把之前做的又沖毀掉所以這裡面呢10月份11月份的那個陽城天數就比去年還要來多目前累計有7天"},{"start":10947.834,"end":10948.755,"text":"水利署在追加1.2億,今年7千萬,明年5千萬的費用趕快再把這個補起來,目前的計劃在做。"},{"start":10969.641,"end":10990.823,"text":"空氣污染組織單位還是在我們櫃部啦,對,櫃司齁。 這個30磅房子組織單位其實就是環境部啦,就毋庸置疑齁。 那剛才市長特別也提到嘛,7月我開明颱風,那個昨天其實水位就已經暴漲,可能就已經快要月體了。 其實這個已經非常嚴重了,大家都很清楚,那個時候是7月5。"},{"start":10992.685,"end":11018.857,"text":"沒有錯,10月份又有兩個颱風來這我都很清楚但是我們從107年的下半年一直到現在我們都有很不錯的成效從過去的東北颱風來硬壓將近快到60天有59天就減半不到一年我們就減半不到兩年我們剩下不到五分之一再來可能剩下一年原本59天剩下兩到三天左右"},{"start":11019.637,"end":11035.117,"text":"那今年不是從市長所講的只有6天而已啦,不是啦,你去看記錄看好了啦,已經很嚴重了啦,不然我不會提這個案啦,過去是在公共組委會主委吳哲成的時候他有個3個月的平台會議,"},{"start":11036.318,"end":11048.083,"text":"但是後來一直蠻順的,那個平台會議幾乎也就越拖越久,我也沒有意見。我那天也跟現在的陳主委講說,以前我這樣開,但是我現在不擔心你們這樣開,因為畢竟我們跟經驗一樣,都很誠實對不對。所以有時候有一個衛星的定位,一角就是一公頃,過去"},{"start":11058.667,"end":11075.098,"text":"一千一千欸差不多一千三百多公頃都是裸露的地方慢慢說說說說用綠覆蓋水覆蓋啦三千嬌啦看中炒有沒有打火是啥但是七月二五開沒台灣來你就很清楚的不管你什麼三千嬌啦綠覆蓋水覆蓋有對嗎通通不見了嘛"},{"start":11076.806,"end":11102.563,"text":"有第一個時間,雖然你敢跟我把握有第一個時間當水位下降之後馬上趕快因為馬上就要進入到東北季風的時間了對不對你敢跟我講說九月不要講說八月九月或是山坡來之前就有什麼樣的一個步驟進到走水溪去做相關的這個黃石沙塵壩的工法做法有嗎"},{"start":11103.203,"end":11124.424,"text":"給你們報告這個絕對有我們那個那時候颱風過後我就趕快找那個社會分署的分署長我親自打電話給他我就趕快第一個調查說狀況是怎麼樣因為過去的研究就是只要大雨上游沖刷到下游下游水退之後兩個月之內一定起沙所以他們拼在旁邊趕快做"},{"start":11125.225,"end":11143.162,"text":"可是做完之後呢很不幸的是10月份山頭的颱風對卓爾西沒什麼影響然後後面那個康瑞颱風整個又把它沖毀掉所以11月才會開始起沙上來那為什麼他們要追加就是因為之前做的那個經費都花完了"},{"start":11144.163,"end":11170.505,"text":"會來有追加,所以這個一定有,這個不是說沒做造成這個,而是說做完之後呢,颱風會把它吹掉就是後面的10月份的第二個颱風,康瑞颱風再跟委員報告一下,那我想我們後面再把這個檢討會議的時間再檢討一下,我們就現場可能現場再盯緊一點好了,包括衛星影像,那個我們都照片一樣在做,每個人都沒做"},{"start":11172.162,"end":11173.483,"text":"第15案改組決議第18案"},{"start":11196.144,"end":11225.244,"text":"那18案是劉瑩這邊關心就是我們循環杯還有網購包裝這邊的成效那循環杯這邊我們今年有多擴大半年其實這幾個月有在增加那也要來整合他們的系統那明年會擴大到說一些場域那網購包裝的部分除了法規那現在在新的一個2.0的部分那也有在增加我們這個循環帶循環箱的一個使用那請問是不是可以就是改凍結"},{"start":11228.928,"end":11243.054,"text":"我覺得不可以呢這個提案裡面有兩件事情嘛一個是循環杯嘛就今年在4月的時候就已經有提出來給你們做參考了但目前還是使用率非常低然後"},{"start":11245.476,"end":11267.694,"text":"我這邊寫到這樣,你們自沒有把它刪掉。 我是寫到甚至已經近乎失敗的局面。然後你們只有關心後面。原始建立資源回收基金是我有必要年年支出將會用為準決政府的預算。你們建立把後面這文字刪掉。"},{"start":11268.875,"end":11284.646,"text":"所以代表你們承認上面寫的就是已經近乎失敗的局面,你們沒有意見。 不然這個你們自己審啊。 不然你一個失敗的政策,你說叫我不要給你審、不要給你凍,也很奇怪。 對啊。 所以不一定你跟我說什麼我一句就給你應付,這個我就沒怎麼給你應付啊。"},{"start":11290.192,"end":11313.997,"text":"您那個文字我不好意思來我後面的文字你為什麼好意思奇怪前面不好意思後面就好意思那你對我還是不太好意思不過這個行完畢我們真的是有今年真的是有在那個您執行之後後面的那個成長你還需要我執行之後你覺得"},{"start":11320.672,"end":11345.292,"text":"國際報財、報財、網購報財過渡的事情我知道有進步啦,這個我跟你肯定有進步,確實是有進步。 那個泡泡能減酒嗎?實際上是有啦。但是如果現在一顆顆很大顆的裡面放一些東西,那也怪怪的。我也不知道這到底應該是不是還有在更積極改善的這樣的一個空間嘛。我覺得這個我就不再贅述。但是環保杯真的是沒通啦。"},{"start":11347.967,"end":11370.618,"text":"那環保杯的部分因為像最近它遠近有調查所以我們會從兩個部分來減少這個飲料杯除了是說我們的循環杯那自杯的部分民眾是覺得說自杯的部分來這個鼓勵優惠那還有我們的循環杯這兩個部分要雙管齊下那這樣才可以減少我們一次用這個飲料杯的使用量"},{"start":11373.728,"end":11374.909,"text":"第18案就是動50減列50萬科目自行調整"},{"start":11397.352,"end":11426.209,"text":"第19案那第19案部分呢委員這邊就關心我們廢車這個脫掉的情形那我們是在今年去年12月有一個這個APP就是一站通的部分那它有個功能就是民眾你可以拍照的話那可以上傳那這樣就可以提高我們要來這個查報的比例啦這邊是已經有這個承讓那希望委員這邊可以來支持我們費用那是不是可以改凍結500萬那科目自行調整那提書面報告"},{"start":11432.563,"end":11448.153,"text":"所以應該是找個機會我開車載你跟部長然後去run一下還真的好欸還要去看佐水溪啊楊丞這個這是真的"},{"start":11454.397,"end":11470.143,"text":"我 我的故鄉與你 我不覺得有改善到什麼程度了 哎呀 實在你們可以 那這個我們去加強 我們去 一些我們比較沒有去這個以前沒有忽略到的地方 然後去加強 好了 好了 好了 好了 好了 動 動多少"},{"start":11475.605,"end":11478.106,"text":"第19案凍結500萬科目自行調整第25案凍結500萬科目自行調整"},{"start":11495.1,"end":11500.945,"text":"第25案委員以簽名,檢列100萬可併案。那我們是建議這一個併24、25案。主案20萬,合併檢列100萬。好,已經簽了嗎?好,第25案檢列100萬,併24案25案,檢列100萬。好,再31案。"},{"start":11521.141,"end":11522.022,"text":"我們建議改動一百萬那這個案子謝謝呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃呃"},{"start":11543.178,"end":11561.645,"text":"來增進這個重金屬的一個削減的一個誘因那至於衝突跟影響的部分呢我們已經有召開機關跟工會的一個研商會那我們也考慮到有一定的一個影響就算影響的九成大部分年增的因繳費額只增加兩萬塊但是後續的一個影響我們有搭配"},{"start":11562.605,"end":11579.631,"text":"關於投資減免及低移放流水標準適用優惠費利的方式去做推動但是委員這邊有進一步提醒說水務法跟相關的執法有沒有必要再做一些檢討的部分我們會遵照委員的指示跟建議加速來做相關的一些檢討跟修正"},{"start":11581.201,"end":11581.301,"text":"第35案"},{"start":11611.807,"end":11612.908,"text":" 你講啊 你講啊 就是"},{"start":11652.141,"end":11667.285,"text":"三十九案就是劉委員關心地方政府的調適計畫吼那他們都現在提出來但是我們請各部會正在審查中那我們會照委員意見來辦理但是建議改凍結一百萬元然後科目調整可併案"},{"start":11670.31,"end":11685.597,"text":"好好謝謝39案凍結一百萬好科目自行調整OK沒了嗎沒有那是要先念還有44案還有4444案"},{"start":11690.526,"end":11696.251,"text":" 44案是留意委員關心,就是要對農漁業進行風險評估的示範。這個我們會遵照辦理。那凍結數是請委員可以同意改為凍結100萬元然後科目調整可併案。 44案凍結100萬,科目自行調整。"},{"start":11719.014,"end":11724.677,"text":"我們就是氣候變遷基金的部分是不是有關第37、38、39"},{"start":11729.335,"end":11739.099,"text":"三十七案、三十八案、三十九案、四十案、四十二案、四十四案並案凍結三百萬。"},{"start":11755.637,"end":11764.304,"text":"現在請宣讀基金預算組決議文字修正部分。第16案"},{"start":11778.7,"end":11806.308,"text":"倒數第二函修正為環境部於一個月內向本委員會提交書面報告。第17案倒數第二函請加強資源回收宣導及落實全國清潔隊員教育訓練。"},{"start":11814.704,"end":11833.956,"text":"第29案倒數第三函修正為請環境部環境管理署加強場化管理確保污染產值完成改善。第36案"},{"start":11838.496,"end":11865.671,"text":"倒數第5函修正為請環境部提供歷年補助情形並積極協助地方政府推動非農地環境雜草管理工作服役友善環境維護取代除草劑使用以保護環境及人體健康於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告"},{"start":11870.796,"end":11890.362,"text":"第41案倒數第三案修正為請環境部配合經濟部向歐盟爭取認可我國查驗機構以協助我國查驗機構符合歐盟驗證要求第43案刪除檢列數凍結數第45案"},{"start":11900.84,"end":11925.412,"text":"為加強清潔隊員執行職務使完之技術保障請研議將清潔隊員執行職務使完技術基金執行職務時發生意外事故及因職業引起之疾病使完者等二類技術基金標準至原新台幣120萬元調整為200萬元"},{"start":11929.687,"end":11945.936,"text":"令先期寄注金至原薪台幣2萬元調整為5萬元之可行性並於3個月內向本委員會提交書面報告因為第15案還沒有送上來宣讀完畢"},{"start":11948.663,"end":11970.172,"text":"好,那我先做以下決議,中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管公務及基金預算已經審查完略,提報院會討論,院會討論前需交黨團協商。好,那現在我們進行財團法人預算第二輪討論,第二案。"},{"start":11976.749,"end":11976.769,"text":"全數凍結"},{"start":11996.254,"end":12020.232,"text":"他們今年就不買辦公室因為他們原來都是在租借辦公室有規劃說想要買辦公室啊那如果這樣子的話他就說那就以後再說今年就先不買了謝謝喔喔喔喔OK這樣讓我們都嚇一跳我有親自問董事長董事長親口跟我說董事長在喔喔喔喔"},{"start":12031.034,"end":12057.931,"text":"跟委員報告因為我們辦公室都是用租的啦現在人數不夠但是其實我們如果現在在新竹房價其實很貴要找到好的地點又停車同仁才願意那不是很好找那以我們的基金會的財務想要在真的變略預算也不見得真的買到適當的那既然委員有意見全數凍結那我們今年就不買我們還是在尋求可以租借的地方"},{"start":12058.391,"end":12081.355,"text":"那也跟工研院討論過他們願意再擴大一些租借的地方給我們以上報告好那現在請宣讀那個財團法人的那個主決議文資修正部分"},{"start":12084.49,"end":12113.351,"text":"財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會第一案倒數第三函修正為請環境部督導該基金會更新113年研究成果資訊並加強宣導研究成果第二案倒數第三函修正為請環境部督導該基金會於預算書中強化說明預計執行業務內容及必要性"},{"start":12115.693,"end":12132.62,"text":"財團法人環境與發展基金會第一案刪除檢列數修正為請環境部持續監督該基金會進行適當規劃強化論述預算編制內容及必要性"},{"start":12134.925,"end":12144.633,"text":"財團法人環境權保障基金會第一案倒數第三函修正委請環境部督導該基金會進行適當規劃與預算書中強化說明預計執行業務內容及必要性宣讀完畢"},{"start":12154.521,"end":12165.151,"text":"環境部函送環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案已經審查完略提報院會討論。院會討論前是否須交由黨團協商。"},{"start":12176.661,"end":12185.305,"text":"不過院會討論時由黃昭及委員秀芳補充說明本次會議到此結束散會"},{"start":12198.627,"end":12224.514,"text":"那個劉委員要講一下對不起主席想散會我們就試一下講啦但是我還需要公開講因為剛剛那個案我聽起來怪怪的預算編的然後當然就因為可能是資源編的那現在價格已經不落以往嘛可能同意之後也不一定買得到不過這樣有點奇怪或許防線會下降因為現在打防打得很厲害"},{"start":12225.785,"end":12243.572,"text":"我是要強調說怎麼會預算編制之後然後這樣的處理方式這個會有問題啊這個你們會傷到這第一個第二個基金還有今天通通沒有再送協商了那公務預算很多比是送協商阿再回講你們要去努力的應該是努力這種事情"},{"start":12245.171,"end":12265.15,"text":"對啦,不是在那裡,好不要說了,我覺得你們處理醫生都怪怪的,你們人生起來都怪怪的,怎麼處理醫生都怪怪的,對啊,怎麼可以放火龍去協商,這不太對吧,協商你補中你就要比較辛苦的,你們高等學生要比較辛苦的,我們去到那裡就真的沒工了,而且大家還有參謀上嘛對不對。"},{"start":12268.033,"end":12268.053,"text":"三會"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}