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數據還是一樣但是我還是你的霸凌的問題一個禮拜請交出報告給本期好不好好 謝謝好 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這個的確是很好的一個議題國科會過去這幾年來努力在支持精準運動科學的研究但是未來我還會再加強不是只有科學研究還會進到科技是希望能夠跟國家運科中心還有國訓中心未來的這個運動部能夠緊密的結合在一起"},{"start":5515.385,"end":5519.327,"text":"按照委員剛剛講的方向我們會努力前進其實我有一個感受啦就是說其實我們國科會這邊的精準運科你們做你們自己本身的這些研究相關的這些研究的時候我們跟國訓中心跟運科中心怎麼樣來互動而不是說你們說我們在做那國訓中心也要來參與運科中心也要來參與是說大家怎麼一起來做"},{"start":5541.258,"end":5559.608,"text":"所以我一直強調說之間的互動你們在該怎麼樣去互相合作?是,合作就是靠著我們在3年前通過了行政院的一個科技政策就是運動科技所以透過行政院這個運動科技我們在編列科技預算的時候會把這個跨部會結合在一起"},{"start":5561.909,"end":5580.274,"text":"主委您講到了我所要提出的就是跨部會又不是大家是平行單位各做各的因為其實我非常的在意這個所謂的運科知識訓練跟這個應該要來普及化全民化那國科會這邊應該要思考說未來的走向持續經濟因為運科不是只有運動員的運科它是全民的運科但我們該如何把這樣的訓練知識訓練的這些相關的來做一個普及"},{"start":5586.596,"end":5591.419,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":5606.889,"end":5632.002,"text":"好那因為剛剛培宇提到的這個問題其實我本來想說我今天準備的主題不是在這邊但是我還是要呼應一下我們做這些運科的這些相關的這個研究的時候我們其實要考慮到的層面其實很多那尤其剛剛培宇提到的像這樣的方式其實對運動員反而是一種傷害是所以我們如果既然有這樣的情勢發生我也希望說主委你們這個一定要很嚴肅的去面對這樣的問題去解決這樣的問題"},{"start":5634.123,"end":5648.763,"text":"對,我們會調查,而且將來我們還會再宣告讓所有的執行這些計畫的教授們要了解現在這種保護運動員的機制一定要搭配著他們計畫一定要提出來。"},{"start":5649.264,"end":5651.686,"text":"關於研究計畫的部分根據國科會的統計資料顯示從2022年開始申請國科會專題計畫的申請件數是逐年的下降2023比2022已經少了1562件佔整體總比的6%"},{"start":5668.499,"end":5672.462,"text":"第2024年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第2023年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":5687.755,"end":5711.562,"text":"報告委員有兩個因素第一個因素是因為我們現在因為人口老化我們提計畫的教授人數其實是在減少當中第二個因素是我們現在核定多年期的計畫比較多所以一個計畫是可以執行比較多年所以件數會減少但是沒有影響到教授因為我們的預算增加所以每個計畫的金額其實都一直在提高"},{"start":5712.362,"end":5727.973,"text":"您的意思是說因為是長期的計畫所以短期計畫是減少的可是因為減少的件數真的是非常非常的多我也希望說主委你們這邊齁應該要對這個部分有一個因應的措施是我們計畫通過率並沒有降低喔沒有降低但是申請的件數少很多阿"},{"start":5728.717,"end":5735.479,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委主委會後再給陳秀寶委員更詳細的報告。接下來我們有請張雅玲委員質詢。"},{"start":5757.509,"end":5759.869,"text":"謝謝主席,我們有請主委好,有請吳主委"},{"start":5764.556,"end":5791.194,"text":"各位好,我想先讓您來看看這張照片這張照片我想這一次的是世界十二強的這個賽事您應該也是非常興奮的去看見了我們這一次拿到了冠軍就像您當年也帶領了我們在威廉波特上面這個哨棒大賽的一個冠軍那我這邊就找到了一些您過去的照片那這個呢其實就要串聯到我下一個題目"},{"start":5792.094,"end":5816.895,"text":"就是說這麼多年來我們其實距離上次打敗日本已經32年但是這一次呢我們打敗其實有一個很重要的一個研究是在於這個精準這個運動科學研究啦是有這個那但是我想除了這個東西我們是不是國科會還可以出更多的力氣來進一步協助我們台灣的運動發展呢我們現在有沒有一些具體的規劃或行動"},{"start":5818.769,"end":5840.883,"text":"有,我們目前有,國科會本身有精準運動科學的計畫,這是在我們的人文處,那我們的產學處其實也有運動科技產學合作的計畫也在推動當中,那我們也編列預算協助我們的教育部體育署,也在推動相關的這個體育的選手、教練,"},{"start":5841.744,"end":5843.406,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":5861.807,"end":5889.749,"text":"國家運動科學中心的研究員也可以申請我們國科會的計劃所以現在逐步在推動當中將來我們預算會逐年再增加吸引更多科技的人才進到這個運動的領域我想其實體力就是國力所以這件事情真的是需要國科會來大力的支持讓我們這件事情這次得到十二強的冠軍不會只是曇花一現而是未來在世世代代我們的孩子我們的下一代"},{"start":5890.009,"end":5903.881,"text":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年"},{"start":5915.791,"end":5921.013,"text":"此事我希望主委到時候這份調查報告也提供到辦公室。好,謝謝,謝謝委員。那針對於剛剛講的那些運動科技管理的部分,殘學合作的部分,我希望是說我們可以會後跟主委約個時間來我們辦公室再來詳細的討論。"},{"start":5939.821,"end":5941.142,"text":"第12月5日公告首波二項技術涵蓋國防科技、太空農業、半導體等資通安全技術領域。"},{"start":5955.607,"end":5975.516,"text":"今年11月1日,國科會也預告國家核心關鍵技術項目以及技術主管機關修正的草案已經新增10項涵蓋太空、量子科技、半導體及能源。目前我們累計有32項,這件事除了要保護國家重要的技術之外,也是要符合全球產業的一個趨勢。"},{"start":5977.177,"end":5998.547,"text":"之前是有說明說年底的時候會召開國家核心關鍵技術審議會來進行這些新增技術項目的認定那我想問一下現在預告到11月15號我們現在從各界收集的意見目前可以歸納出哪些呢?那針對這十項還會有新增或是調整的部分嗎?"},{"start":5999.609,"end":6015.119,"text":"報告委員我們這十項經過審慎的這個研究然後在會議通過以後目前我們預告那預告到目前為止我們的產業界其實沒有特別的意見提出來所以看起來是蠻順利的所以我們接下來應該聽起來就是這十項不會再有調整是嗎?"},{"start":6016.465,"end":6017.806,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":6037.095,"end":6060.237,"text":"當時我們也去拜會了幾個民主黨的議員拜會了一位民主黨的議員那後來我去國會山莊又拜會了民主黨跟共和黨的議員他們都強調一個很重要的重點就是抗中是他們的兩黨共識所以相關的川普總統的發言也都是再度的去強調這個保護主義的部分所以我想面對這個川普的勝選我們接下來我們台灣跟全球半導體產業"},{"start":6061.158,"end":6078.933,"text":"您認為會產生什麼樣的影響?那我們如果身為台灣的國科會主委,您覺得我們應該如何因應?我覺得我們跟美國的關係只會更緊密,未來一定是會加強這個合作。所以您認為我們目前應該不太會有什麼樣的影響嗎?不太需要什麼樣的因應嗎?"},{"start":6080.652,"end":6109.443,"text":"因為我想因為之前他也是在選舉的過程之中有講到這個臺灣有偷賣這個晶片過去的這個問題對那我想這應該也是要適時我們要跟川普政府來做更多的溝通才對是其實我們行政院總統府這邊在選前都已經做好因應之道了我們已經有長期的這個討論那目前的這個做法其實不需要做太大的調整我們一定會跟美國會合作的非常好"},{"start":6110.014,"end":6112.196,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":6130,"end":6131.061,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":6160.74,"end":6184.11,"text":"經創主機及大南方主機建置完成之後我們就會有四個AI超級電腦但是我發現有九成的算力集中在南部地區如果排除了輝達的台北灣我們現在高度集中97.8%都在大南方我就想請教主委這個面對我們台灣的這種風災、地震等等"},{"start":6184.87,"end":6188.537,"text":"我們要如何來增加我們的AI的韌性呢?因為過度集中這個韌性您的因應計劃是什麼?"},{"start":6190.732,"end":6219.804,"text":"報告委員過去其實我們在民間的建制大部分集中在北部所以北部的商業其實是現在是相當高的那將來在做這個主權AI的時候我們的確是需要分散所以最近這幾年我們重點會投資在南部就是為了要分散這個風險那將來因為算力本身是透過網路是你建在哪裡其實都可以用但是在台灣本島我們的確是要分散這些風險所以目前必須要加強在南部的建制"},{"start":6220.464,"end":6247.251,"text":"現在北部的算力狀態是多少呢?目前在民間很多企業並沒有公佈他們的算力的程度因為很多是屬於商業自主在運作我們使用民間的算力比如說Google在台灣是非常非常大的Microsoft、Amazon這些都有"},{"start":6247.711,"end":6249.732,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":6266.237,"end":6289.278,"text":"但是我想因為剛剛主委是有提到說過去都集中在北部現在我們要補強我們的南部嘛聽起來是這樣但是我覺得我們還是要去了解我們到底北部有多少嘛這樣才會知道我們是不是過度集中吧這部分我覺得主委還是要做一個了解啦另外一個就是說上次我提到就算力國家隊的部分我想這個應該就是結合在您剛剛說的這個北部民間企業的部分對嗎是這個我們會整合在一起是"},{"start":6289.778,"end":6291.479,"text":"接下來我們有請葛如君委員質詢謝謝主席有請國科會吳承文主委有請吳主委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主委好今天主要是就國科會114年度預算進行審查本席看了一下預算書發現在審查113年度預算的時候呢教育委員會就有針對AI基本法通過多項決議要求國科會盡速研議AI基本法那關於立法進度呢國科會也感謝"},{"start":6344.102,"end":6371.291,"text":"於今年的7月15日預告了這個人工智慧基本法草案那預告期滿以後會計各方意見應該會加以修改啦最終在10月22號已經將法案送進行政院但是主委現在人工智慧基本法草案送進行政院也滿月了這個baby也算是這個滿足月了但是一直從沒有從行政院送出請問主委人工智慧基本法是不是已經在行政院院會進行審議了"},{"start":6372.751,"end":6397.208,"text":"還是有人想要讓他稍微慢一點還是我們應該要快一點預計什麼時候可以送進立法院我們現在草案已經送到行政院那在行政院那邊其實我們還在討論要搭配相關的這個指引跟作用法完善然後希望能夠盡快送到立法院預計什麼時候"},{"start":6398.249,"end":6425.485,"text":"目前還要看行政院的審查的進度拜託主委你也是政委也拜託行政院我們現在AI每天都在改GPT-5可能就要出來了Elon 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我們先來看一下這個新聞我相信應該大家都有注意到科技業者最近有傳出中國智庫的人士他們接觸了台廠探尋AI算力租賃"},{"start":8180.936,"end":8187.298,"text":"中國在美方大規模的管制和監視之下還是虎視眈眈藉由各式各樣不同的方式進行一些挖角或者是尋找竊取一些關鍵技術的方式"},{"start":8206.445,"end":8207.666,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8233.175,"end":8237.478,"text":"及所屬單位預算案有關國家科學及技術委行員預算案有關國家科學及技術委行員預算案有關國家科學及技術委行員預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8262.233,"end":8262.893,"text":"其他領域的一個技術的保護的這樣子的一個方向"},{"start":8289.189,"end":8291.13,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8307.341,"end":8313.563,"text":"及所屬單位預算案有關國家科學及技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學及技術發展基金附屬單位"},{"start":8332.227,"end":8336.49,"text":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8362.607,"end":8372.535,"text":"另外我想要問一下就是上個會期其實我們有特別關心就是台灣第一個本土可信任的生成式AI對話的引擎台的一個進度發展的一個狀況我們知道其實應該是說公研院他是在10月29號"},{"start":8379.321,"end":8400.956,"text":"它有特別宣布要打造一個台灣首做的AI測試實驗室是要確保這個AI是不會說謊然後也是主要要扶植或者是協助就是我們國內的一些廠商的一個評估還有就是改進那個語言的一個模式在不同的場域當中在使用的時候它能夠穩定然後再來就是有可靠性"},{"start":8401.556,"end":8425.166,"text":"那我不曉得我們的台德將來會不會也做這方面的一些評測那目前如果有的話這個評測的一個進程大概是什麼我們台德的這個評測其實在上半年已經啟動開始在做那這個評測的工具數位發展部也陸續在開發當中這個評測是非常重要我非常同意委員的看法"},{"start":8425.706,"end":8442.875,"text":"可是這個評測相當的困難也就是說除了我們要證明它的這個準確度之外呢我們也不希望它產生偏差有一些這個對人權的這個危害等等所以在資料的評測以及模型的評測這邊我們都會陸續在進行那我在9月初訪問美國的時候也跟美國的NIST也討論過這件事情所以我們的數位發展部跟未來在NIST"},{"start":8453.581,"end":8479.197,"text":"他們是很大規模在做這件事情所以我們也會跨國的來做這種合作希望也能夠引進他們的工具有沒有一個比較大概的進程進程這個是不會結束的因為AI的模型一直在發展所以我們會追著跑一定會努力來做這個事情如果到時候有一些比較具體的一些成效或者是有一些具體的一個就是進程的發展其實可以讓我們知道可以嗎"},{"start":8479.517,"end":8481.019,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8495.055,"end":8513.022,"text":"我們114年度我們特別編列了一個預算是在太空產業推動跟人才培育的計畫將近投入有14億多14.5億那我想是透過這個每年的一個產業的一些調查其實除了掌握這個國內這個最新太空產業的一個狀況作為將來制定"},{"start":8515.123,"end":8516.184,"text":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8530.512,"end":8541.978,"text":"第12屆全球跟我們台灣的太空產業的產值的一個統計我們可以看到這個數字以全球來講其實它的增幅是7.46%但是同期其實我們台灣的太空產業增幅有43.4%"},{"start":8549.382,"end":8560.869,"text":"雖然看起來我們的增幅其實還蠻多的但是其實還是有很大的一個成長的一個空間那國科會在去年的時候年底10月底其實應該是說去年10月底其實我們有舉辦一個比較大的一個規模就是台灣太空國際年會那時候其實有表示就是說我們國內的一些太空的這個產業的一個產值"},{"start":8571.475,"end":8594.542,"text":"希望能夠在118年的時候達到兆元但是從這個表看起來就不管109、110、111、112這個部分如果以每年增加200多億我們以300億來說其實118年可能只會到5000億還沒有辦法到兆元這個部分我們要怎麼樣達標"},{"start":8595.842,"end":8612.454,"text":"包括委員我們過去長期的太空的發展太空科技的發展是以實驗性質的那個遙測衛星為主但是當我們進到低軌衛星是以通訊衛星為主的這個年代慢慢的我們的產業的這個發展就會快速上來"},{"start":8613.474,"end":8619.557,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第118年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第118年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8641.405,"end":8642.785,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8667.352,"end":8688.523,"text":"另外一句話就是說我們跟全世界的在天上衛星的產業已經有增加大概快10%所以就是說已經往那個很正向的發展所以其實這個部分我們可以從那個基金上面看到台灣其實目前只有一家是跟太空有關的基金其實它已經默默的在那裡漲了一倍了不講哪一家啦"},{"start":8688.923,"end":8689.844,"text":"第11屆第2會期教育及文化委"},{"start":8724.192,"end":8724.454,"text":"國會主委"},{"start":8731.423,"end":8753.5,"text":"葉委員好主委好因為大家最近都很關心霸凌的當然我們辦公室也有去跟國會會了解一下霸凌的狀況國會會後來有回給我們一個文這個文有一些部分我不是太清楚所以利用這個機會來跟主委詢問一下第一個在你們的回文裡面有提到113年經檢討本會就是指國科會應該訂定防制專屬規定強化員工保護這個國會會是被"},{"start":8761.421,"end":8786.142,"text":"檢討什麼?以前都是沒有在反霸凌,所以被誰檢討,所以要反霸凌?不是沒有反霸凌,是過去沒有完整的這個辦法。被誰檢討?因為你們是說上半年就開始研議嗎?可見他並不是因為勞動部這個事件的關係。是一、人事行政總署。人事行政總署覺得國會會在這方面做得不好是不是?"},{"start":8788.564,"end":8794.309,"text":"但是行政總部在108年其實是已經有含辦一個職場霸凌處理的SOP的規範,我們都是依照那個規範。那為什麼113年才開始?上半年才開始?"},{"start":8801.755,"end":8826.585,"text":"那我們其實上半年應該也是那時候我還沒有接到應該也是接到行政院的這個命令開始要製定所以人事總署108年訂了一個辦法出來但國科會過去5年都沒有任何動作然後到了113年的上半年被檢討所以就開始研議嘛要訂定一個反霸凌的申訴要點嘛是這樣嗎"},{"start":8827.185,"end":8842.983,"text":"不是沒有動作是那時候就依行政人事行政總署的SOP現在比較嚴謹的辦法已經訂出來公開我知道我知道我現在是所以其實主委從國科會給我的資料可以證明一件事情您上任之前那時候大家對於就國科會對80這事情不重視"},{"start":8844.645,"end":8850.108,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。"},{"start":8873.339,"end":8897.472,"text":"我們過去是依照那個申訴還有行政院的SOP做的但是你有被檢討嗎?這是你們自己寫的不是我講的我們檢討這是你們自己寫說你們被檢討然後再來就是第三點八月份的時候有安排一個主管共識營安排訓練可是我只是覺得很奇怪一點因為你們的要點是11月20幾號才訂定出來"},{"start":8899.333,"end":8906.695,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":8927.142,"end":8948.465,"text":"所以你們11月要點出來嗎?我們來看一下你們的要點你們對於職場霸凌有一個定義就是說他是要一個利用職務的關係然後長期持續性的冒犯、威脅、忍弱、孤立、侮辱然後有不合理的對待跟不公平的處置所以之後如果說國科會裡面有員工"},{"start":8950.047,"end":8951.468,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":8969.803,"end":8993.904,"text":"這是我們行政院人事、行政總署定定的辦法。所以到時候還是會根據個案來衡量啦。其實我們最近也有接到很多民眾在公家機關服務,他覺得被霸凌。比如說他覺得被針對,長官希望他換工作等等。但是他到底因為他的個人主觀認知,是不是真的有被霸凌。我覺得應該要訂定一個很明確的規範出來啦。"},{"start":8995.325,"end":8998.328,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":9014.944,"end":9016.586,"text":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":9040.68,"end":9055.497,"text":"很多人講說這跟我們情收做得好很有關係嘛然後運動科學也有導入嘛這個主委以你自己從事之前打棒球世界的賽的經驗你覺得這個電子好球大概可以幫助我們球員哪些方面?"},{"start":9056.411,"end":9060.655,"text":"二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會及所屬單位預算案有關國家科學及技術委"},{"start":9082.395,"end":9085.117,"text":"第二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。第三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委。"},{"start":9108.33,"end":9125.715,"text":"應該會有幫助在防止對手攻擊會很有幫助因為第二期的專案是在112年到115年也是補助12個研究團隊那裡面也剛好有棒球可不可以透露一下現在國科會補助的項目是以哪些項目棒球的部分"},{"start":9126.141,"end":9130.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