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已經在進行當中那我們要特別謝謝蘇花部有特別來關心未來對這個經費的支柱應該蘇花部也會來支持"},{"start":249.289,"end":269.494,"text":"事務發部對本案補助經費你們研議的情形怎麼樣我們目前已經在預算裡面有去匡列這針對本來對離島的通訊補助的部分包含海嵐跟這些船舶的改善都有列入計畫裡面台馬輪這邊預計是在配合他稅休的時間"},{"start":275.876,"end":303.171,"text":"一一五年的二月的時候,他稅休的時間委員剛剛講的這些工程,我們已經協調中華電信開始準備預計在稅休時間會完成那另外兩家電信公司,我們後續也會就基地台這邊來做技術細節來討論會啦,這就是速發部部長,在交通委員會到馬祖考察的時候那麼我跟他私底下我們談了以後"},{"start":304.434,"end":332.191,"text":"我對他有更進一步的了解那麼部長對馬上組這個電信品質也非常的重視尤其對海嵐的部分,因為中華電信是一個公司組織嘛對不對他的錢也非常有限,虧本虧了很多啦所以請蘇發部也盡力的協助,那部長也答應我了所以簡董你要謝謝蘇發部有,我已經謝很多次啦謝很多次?謝一次就跟我講一次嘛好不好,讓我了解一下"},{"start":333.884,"end":360.536,"text":"這一次大辣子颱風當然因為全球的氣候變遷幾個颱風對我們台灣,西南氣流過來對中南部造成很重大的災害影響尤其是中華電信的部分,剛才也提到了南部居民對各類通訊設施損害功能抱怨很多"},{"start":362.082,"end":386.734,"text":"那麼還有我們馬祖的選區雖然說這次沒有受到颱風的災害但是在整個通訊韌性及搶救機制能不能對我們重大的天災我們還不知道那麼尤其馬祖、小山通還有台灣的觀光旅客非常的多如果通訊一旦中斷,當然現在有微波在那個"},{"start":388.206,"end":415.211,"text":"那最近在勘察的過程,我也看到陳廷飛委員說還是林俊賢委員去調度通訊基地台行動的通訊基地台我想這個有很大的注意,我不曉得台灣有多少台這樣的東西是,那個如果行動基地台加衛星整個加一加中華電信在本島有50台那另外還有業者的應該也有"},{"start":417.268,"end":428.591,"text":"跟委員報告衛星有萬位的支援萬位的機台總共30台,44位部去年補助的總共30台那非衛星的大概106台加起來136台那這個有沒有機會能不能引進一台到馬祖來我們萬一也發生類似的狀況那個會不會很貴啊那個"},{"start":438.21,"end":446.994,"text":"跟委員報告就是說衛星其實只佔那個車子的一部分的價錢那一部車大概是1100萬到1500萬那衛星的部分佔300萬那其實在馬祖我們已經放了中軌衛星跟低軌衛星"},{"start":457.179,"end":477.311,"text":"那就是說這個可以討論就是說其實馬祖如果在某些制高點已經有低軌衛星那是不是加上車子可以解決局部災區的問題這個我們回去會跟電信商討你們衛星研究看看好不好看看如果中國衛星低軌衛星如果它還不足的話"},{"start":478.547,"end":503.257,"text":"那有必要的時候當然不只馬祖還有金門澎湖我們離島能夠有的話各放一台放在那邊對我們地區居民如果碰到天災的時候我們有所因應你回去研究一下好不好沒問題 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