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170項林業保育署及所屬9331萬5千元。"},{"start":2245.882,"end":2249.083,"text":"171項農村水保署及所屬750萬元。172項農事所及所屬985萬1千元。173項林事所746萬元。174項水事所1318萬3千元。175項敘事所及所屬494萬4千元。176項獸醫所1426萬9千元。177項農藥所167萬元。"},{"start":2275.075,"end":2292.058,"text":"一百六十七萬五千元一百七十八項生物多樣性研究所一百一十一萬元一百七十九項查改廠六百四十八萬五千元一百八十項種苗改良繁殖廠六十萬兩千元一百八十一項桃園驅農改廠一百八十九萬四千元"},{"start":2292.571,"end":2296.073,"text":"182項苗栗區農改廠97萬3千元。183項台中區農改廠429萬5千元。184項台南區農改廠315萬6千元。185項高雄區農改廠261萬3千元。186項花蓮區農改廠56萬5千元。187項台東區農改廠119萬3千元。188項漁業屬及所屬1840萬6千元。"},{"start":2321.667,"end":2325.37,"text":"189項房間屬及所屬169,000元190項農金屬無劣數191項農糧屬及所屬8996,000元192項農稅屬30萬元193項農科園區管理中心無劣數稅出部分第16款第一項農業部11525,252萬元"},{"start":2346.55,"end":2354.655,"text":"第一目,農業科技研究發展15億8977萬5千元。第二目,一般行政6億6742萬1千元。第三目,農業管理20億9085萬8千元。第四目,農業發展375億6033萬9千元。第五目,一般建築及設備五列數。第六目,第一預備金6"},{"start":2370.064,"end":2373.147,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分。"},{"start":2387.696,"end":2416.087,"text":"一百零一億八千七百一十七萬七千元第一幕林業事業研究八千一百九十萬五千元第二幕一般行政二十七億七千三百零三萬九千元第三幕林業管理一億六千六百零九萬四千元第四幕林業發展七十一億六千一百八十九萬九千元第五幕一般借主及設備三百二十四萬元第六幕第一預備金一百萬元第三項農村水保署及所屬"},{"start":2416.827,"end":2433.568,"text":"八十一億四千四百二十六萬兩千元第一幕隨圖保持試驗研究六百三十三萬元第二幕一般行政六億八千九百四十三萬兩千元第三幕隨圖保持發展七十四億四千八百三十萬元"},{"start":2434.505,"end":2444.554,"text":"第四目第一預備金20萬元。第四項農事所及所屬12億4476萬元。第一目農業試驗研究6億3627萬8千元。第二目一般行政5億7313萬4千元。第三目農業數位化發展1630萬元。第四目一般建築及設備1874萬8千元。"},{"start":2461.249,"end":2464.675,"text":"第五目第一預備金30萬元。第五項臨時所8億3千零18萬8千元。"},{"start":2468.462,"end":2493.416,"text":"第一目,林業科技試驗研究一億五千八百三十八萬六千元。第二目,一般行政三億六千四百七十四萬五千元。第三目,林業管理九千五百九十五萬七千元。第四目,林業發展兩億一千零九十萬元。第五目,第一預備金二十萬元。第六項,水事所七億八千九百四十七萬八千元。第一目,水產試驗研究"},{"start":2495.315,"end":2523.329,"text":"兩億九千五百七十八萬五千元。第二目一般行政四億兩千兩百九十六萬七千元。第三目農業試驗發展六千九百六十七萬六千元。第四目一般建築及設備八十五萬元。第五目第一預備金二十萬元。第七項敘事所及所屬八億兩千六百一十三萬元。第一目畜牧試驗研究三億一千九百七十一萬六千元。第二目一般行政"},{"start":2524.029,"end":2539.925,"text":"四億一千九百六十四萬四千元。第三目農業試驗發展八千五百六十萬元。第四目一般建築及設備九十七萬元。第五目第一預備金二十萬元。第八項受益所四億九千零二萬四千元。"},{"start":2540.566,"end":2545.953,"text":"第一目,動物衛生試驗研究,1億7,043萬1千元。第二目,一般行政,1億8,096萬7千元。第三目,農業試驗發展,1億3,852萬6千元。"},{"start":2555.694,"end":2562.18,"text":"第四目一般建築及設備物列數第五目第一預備金10萬元。第九項農藥所6億3182萬4千元。第一目農業藥物及植物保護試驗研究。"},{"start":2571.648,"end":2597.719,"text":"一億三千四百九十一萬兩千元第二目一般行政一億四千九百七十四萬元第三目農藥試驗及登記管理三億四千六百二十二萬兩千元第四目一般建築及設備八十五萬元第五目第一預備金十萬元第十項生物多樣性研究所兩億七千三百六十一萬三千元第一目生物多樣性研究六千七百六十萬四千元"},{"start":2598.419,"end":2619.05,"text":"第二目一般行政一億七千八百六十二萬九千元。第三目農業試驗發展兩千七百三十萬元。第四目第一預備金八萬元。第十一項茶台廠兩億六千四百三十三萬四千元。第一目茶及飲料作物研究改良七千四百二十四萬七千元。"},{"start":2619.77,"end":2640.854,"text":"第二目一般行政一億五千五百二十二萬一千元。第三目農業試驗發展三千三百八十五萬六千元。第四目一般建築及設備九十一萬元。第五目第一預備金十萬元。第十二項種苗改良繁殖場兩億兩千四百七十五萬兩千元。第一目種苗研究與改良。"},{"start":2642.213,"end":2655.042,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":2665.589,"end":2684.858,"text":"第二目一般行政一億四千四百九十八萬七千元。第三目農業試驗發展兩百七十七萬六千元。第四目一般建築及設備八十萬元。第五目第一預備金十萬元。第十四項苗栗區農改廠兩億兩千八百八十三萬兩千元。第一目農作物改良。"},{"start":2685.538,"end":2710.276,"text":"六千一百八十六萬一千元。第二目一般行政一億零二十一萬六千元。第三目農業試驗發展五百一十三萬七千元。第四目一般建築及設備六千一百五十一萬八千元。第五目第一預備金十萬元。第十五項臺中區農改廠兩億九千三百零二萬四千元。第一目農作物改良一億三千六百八十八萬兩千元。"},{"start":2710.956,"end":2726.829,"text":"第二目一般行政一億五千零四十九萬兩千元。第三目農業試驗發展五百五十五萬元。第四目第一預備金十萬元。第十六項臺南區農改廠兩億九千九百四十六萬五千元。第一目農作物改良。"},{"start":2727.689,"end":2744.206,"text":"一億三千零三十四萬七千元第二幕一般行政一億六千兩百六十七萬兩千元第三幕農業試驗發展六百二十六萬六千元第四幕一般建築及設備八萬元第五幕第一預備金十萬元第十七項高雄區農改廠"},{"start":2745.727,"end":2763.105,"text":"兩億五千七百一十二萬九千元。第一幕農作物改良一億一千九百五十二萬九千元。第二幕一般行政一億三千零八萬六千元。第三幕農業試驗發展六百五十六萬四千元。第四幕一般建築及設備八十五萬元。"},{"start":2764.161,"end":2775.507,"text":"第五目第一預備金10萬元。第十八項花蓮區農改廠2億5712萬1千元。第一目農作物改良1億1904萬3千元。第二目一般行政9809萬6千元。第三目農業試驗發展3975萬2千元。第四目一般建築及設備13萬元。"},{"start":2786.252,"end":2794.455,"text":"第五目第一預備金10萬元。第十九項臺東區農改廠1億8349萬元。第一目農作物改良7426萬7千元。第二目一般行政9159萬1千元。第三目農業試驗發展1753萬2千元。第四目一般建築及設備無劣數。第五目第一預備金10萬元。第20項漁業屬及所屬。"},{"start":2811.442,"end":2831.596,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":2831.696,"end":2845.686,"text":"第五目一般建築及設備85萬元。第六目第一預備金114萬元。第二十一項防檢屬及所屬26億5203萬5千元。第一目動植物防檢液技術研發2億5913萬5千元。第二目一般行政7億7575萬2千元。第三目動植物防檢液管理。"},{"start":2856.614,"end":2861.202,"text":"16億1033萬1千元第四目一般建築及設備531萬7千元第五目第一預備金150萬元"},{"start":2868.151,"end":2886.144,"text":"第二十二項農金屬六億五千四百九十八萬四千元第一幕農業金融研發三百零二萬三千元第二幕一般行政一億兩千零九十三萬五千元第三幕農業金融業務五億三千零八十二萬六千元第四幕第一預備金二十萬元"},{"start":2886.824,"end":2894.688,"text":"第23項農糧署及所屬52億5792萬1千元。第一幕農糧科技研發1億3258萬5千元。第二幕一般行政8億2943萬8千元。第三幕農糧管理42億9409萬8千元。第四幕一般建築及設備80萬元。第五幕第一預備金100萬元。第24項農水署99億1700萬9千元。"},{"start":2915.638,"end":2927.264,"text":"第一目農田水利科技50333,000元第二目一般行政160417,000元第三目農田水利管理231659,000元第四目農田水利發展551960,000元第五目非營業特種基金394880,000元"},{"start":2938.919,"end":2951.088,"text":"第6目第一預備金20萬元。第25項農科園區管理中心9億8152萬7千元。第1目農科園區科技983萬7千元。第2目一般行政9449萬2千元。第3目農科園區管理2億2662萬8千元。第4目農科園區發展6億5千萬元。第5目一般建築及設備47萬元。第6目第一預備金10萬元。"},{"start":2967.915,"end":2995.679,"text":"提案部分農業部依本部第一案媒體政策及業務宣導費檢列一千萬元委員張祺凱等提案第二案檢列一千萬元委員張家俊等提案第三案檢列百分之二十委員楊瓊英等提案第四案檢列五百萬元委員蕭一鳳等提案第五案凍結一億元委員曾振淺等提案第六案凍結十分之一委員蔡業宇等提案第七案凍結三百萬元委員邱志偉等提案"},{"start":2996.419,"end":3011.209,"text":"第8案,業務費向下一般事務費,凍結200萬元委員張祺凱等提案。第9案,農業科技研究發展,凍結1⅓委員林黛樺等提案。第10案,農業科技管理及產業化,減劣2億元,凍結5%委員楊瓊英等提案。第11案,凍結10%委員賴瑞龍等提案。第10案,農業科技管理及產業化向下業務費,減劣40萬元,凍結50%委員張家俊等提案。"},{"start":3026.363,"end":3043.212,"text":"第13案,凍結一千萬元文陳昌明等提案。14、畜牧業及動物保護科技研發向下獎補助費凍結一百萬元文張家俊等提案。15、食品科技研發凍結五百萬元文張祺凱等提案。16、國際農業合作向下業務費凍結五百萬元文呂玉玲等提案。17、農業電子化"},{"start":3052.675,"end":3078.495,"text":"簡列一億一千四百一十四萬八千元凍結百分之五文、楊瓊英等提案、十八簡列五十萬元凍結一百萬元文、賴瑞龍等提案、十九農業電子化向下業務費、簡列四十萬元凍結百分之五十文、張家俊等提案、二十簡列一千萬元文、張家俊等提案、二十一推動農業智慧化向下業務費、簡列一千萬元文、張祺凱等提案、"},{"start":3079.079,"end":3098.515,"text":"二十二案、檢列一千萬元委員張祺凱等提案。二十三、檢列八萬元凍結百分之五十委員張家俊等提案。二十四、氣候變遷調適及淨零排放檢列百分之五委員謝一鳳等提案。二十五、凍結百分之十文蔡宇等提案。"},{"start":3099.062,"end":3109.335,"text":"二十六、業務費凍結30%委員蔡宇等提案。二十七、凍結30%委員張家俊等提案。二十八、一般行政向下業務費檢列2000萬元委員張祺凱等提案。二十九、"},{"start":3113.089,"end":3126.696,"text":"基本行政工作維持向下業務費向下教育訓練費減列20萬元委員張啟凱等提案。 30、業務費向下水電費減列238萬3千元委員張啟凱等提案。 31、凍結200萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 32、業務費向下特別費減列117萬9千元委員張家俊等提案。 33、減列47萬7千元委員張啟凱等提案。"},{"start":3142.324,"end":3169.055,"text":"三十四、農業法規管理及溯源審議向下業務費檢列一百萬元文章棋凱等提案。三十五、檢列一百萬元文章棋凱等提案。三十六、檢列一百萬元文章棋凱等提案。三十七、凍結百分之五十文章家俊等提案。三十八、農業管理檢列一千萬元文陳超明等提案。三十九、凍結三分之一文林代化等提案。四十、凍結十分之一文蔡宇宇等提案。"},{"start":3169.836,"end":3198.788,"text":"四十一,凍結十分基文、徵認錢等提案。四十二,凍結兩百萬元委員邱志偉等提案。四十三,動物保護管理向下媒體政策及業務宣導費凍結兩百萬元委員徵認錢等提案。四十四,業務費向下國外旅費檢列三百萬元委員楊瓊英等提案。四十五,綜合規劃向下業務費檢列一千萬元委員張祺凱等提案。四十六,檢列八十萬元凍結百分之五十委員張家俊等提案。"},{"start":3199.659,"end":3228.153,"text":"四十七、一般事務費檢列一百萬元委員張啟凱等提案。四十八、科技管理業務費向下委託辦理產銷履歷、驗證制度精進及優良農產品法規制度精進與產業輔導、凍結一百萬元委員李玉玲等提案。四十九、科技管理向下業務費檢列兩百五十萬元凍結百分之五十委員張家俊等提案。五十、畜牧管理凍結一千萬元委員邱志偉等提案。"},{"start":3228.632,"end":3239.916,"text":"五十一、畜牧廢棄物經濟管理及資源加值計劃凍結5%委員謝一鳳等提案。五十二、畜牧管理向下業務費檢列1000萬元委員張祺凱等提案。五十三、檢列80萬元凍結50%委員張家俊等提案。"},{"start":3246.414,"end":3270.069,"text":"五十四、凍結兩千萬元委員陳昌明等提案。五十五、凍結一千五百萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。五十六、凍結一千萬元委員張啟凱等提案。五十七、凍結八百萬元委員張家俊等提案。五十八、業務費向下一般事務費減列一百萬元委員張啟凱等提案。五十九、獎補助費減列一百萬元凍結百分之五委員陳廷飛等提案。"},{"start":3271.161,"end":3299.318,"text":"六十、對國內團體資捐助、減劣一千萬元委員張祺凱等提案。六十一、辦理國產乳品供應計劃、凍結10%委員陳廷飛等提案。六十二、輔導推廣、凍結二分之一委員張家俊等提案。六十三、輔導推廣向下業務費、減劣八十萬元、凍結50%委員張家俊等提案。六十四、凍結一千萬元委員李玉琳等提案。六十五、獎補助費、"},{"start":3300.6,"end":3312.105,"text":"向下對國內團體之捐助, 檢列100萬元吳仁章、齊凱等提案。 66、國際農業諮商與合作, 檢列20%吳仁楊、瓊英等提案。67、凍結3000萬元吳仁成、昌明等提案。 68、凍結100萬元吳仁賴瑞龍等提案。 69、業務費檢列80萬元凍結50%吳仁章、嘉峻等提案。 70、凍結500萬元吳仁玉玲等提案。 71、大陸地區旅費"},{"start":3327.91,"end":3335.196,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分："},{"start":3346.665,"end":3356.268,"text":"動物保護管理凍結10%委員林黛樺等提案。76凍結10%委員林黛樺等提案。77凍結5%委員林黛樺等提案。78業務費檢列600萬元凍結50%委員張家俊等提案。79凍結1000萬元委員李玉玲等提案。80凍結500萬元委員張家俊等提案。"},{"start":3369.563,"end":3375.991,"text":"81委辦費凍結100萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。82獎補助費凍結200萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。83資源永續利用凍結10%委員張家俊等提案。84凍結10%委員楊求英等提案。85業務費凍結100萬元凍結50%委員張家俊等提案。"},{"start":3390.667,"end":3391.908,"text":"86.凍結500萬元委員張祺凱等提案。87."},{"start":3391.908,"end":3393.069,"text":"凍結500萬元委員陳昌明等提案。88."},{"start":3393.069,"end":3393.589,"text":"凍結200萬元委員張祺凱等提案。89."},{"start":3393.589,"end":3394.85,"text":"資訊管理與運用向下業務費凍結30%委員張家俊等提案。90."},{"start":3394.85,"end":3397.112,"text":"農業發展凍結十分之一委員蔡宇宇等提案。91."},{"start":3397.112,"end":3397.912,"text":"凍結十分之一委員蔡宇宇等提案。92."},{"start":3397.912,"end":3399.493,"text":"凍結十分之一委員蔡宇宇等提案。93."},{"start":3399.493,"end":3400.614,"text":"補助農業特別收入基金"},{"start":3420.369,"end":3432.274,"text":"動節1%委員陳亭飛等提案。94 擴展動物收容量能及場域優化計劃檢列100萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。95 動節500萬元委員邱志偉等提案。96 動節100萬元委員邱志偉等提案。97 全國航遙測影像產制及AI判試與應用計劃檢列20%委員楊瓊英等提案。"},{"start":3444.675,"end":3447.777,"text":"98.凍結100萬元文邱志偉等提案。99."},{"start":3447.777,"end":3451.898,"text":"打造永續共好地方創生計畫凍結5%文謝一鳳等提案。100."},{"start":3451.898,"end":3454.339,"text":"凍結200萬元文邱志偉等提案。101."},{"start":3454.339,"end":3455.82,"text":"凍結50萬元文陳廷輝等提案。102."},{"start":3455.82,"end":3457.441,"text":"凍結50萬元文賴六龍等提案。103."},{"start":3457.441,"end":3459.121,"text":"業務費凍結300萬元文張祺凱等提案。104."},{"start":3459.121,"end":3460.722,"text":"凍結200萬元文陳超明等提案。105."},{"start":3473.457,"end":3484.92,"text":"動捷150萬元為呂玉玲等提案、106社會保險業務動捷十分之一為蔡宇等提案、107動捷十分之一為蔡宇等提案、108農民保險業務動捷1000萬元為邱志偉等提案、109業務費動捷百分之一為陳廷飛等提案、"},{"start":3494.148,"end":3500.436,"text":"110、獎補助費、凍結一千萬元、文秋智委等提案。111、農民職業災害保險業務、凍結兩百萬元、文秋智委等提案。112、業務費、凍結一百五十萬元、委員女育齡等提案。"},{"start":3509.586,"end":3517.291,"text":"113、凍結100萬元委員張祺凱等提案。 114、凍結100萬元委員陳超明等提案。 115、農民福利業務凍結十分之一委員蔡宇等提案。 116、老年農民福利津貼業務向下業務費凍結500萬元委員陳超明等提案。 117、凍結300萬元委員張祺凱等提案。"},{"start":3534.477,"end":3542.019,"text":"118、農民退休儲金業務、凍結500萬元文、邱志偉等提案。 119、業務費凍結100萬元文、呂玉玲等提案。120案至169案為主決議請參閱。二、林業保育署及所屬。 170、規費收入、使用規費收入向下資料使用費增列300萬元文徵認前等提案。"},{"start":3558.444,"end":3563.249,"text":"171、林業試驗研究、凍結100萬元文賴瑞隆等提案。 172、林業管理、凍結150萬元文賴瑞隆等提案。 173、化解野生動物危害農業及氛圍物種與人衝突、凍結1000萬元委員張祺凱等提案。"},{"start":3576.772,"end":3584.994,"text":"174、凍結1000萬元委員陳超明等提案。 175、業務費上下為半份凍結200萬元委員鄭天才等提案。176、林業發展減劣5%委員謝一鳳等提案。177、減劣5%委員謝一鳳等提案。178、凍結10分之一委員蔡宜語等提案。179、凍結10分之一委員蔡宜語等提案。"},{"start":3602.898,"end":3619.447,"text":"180、強勢未來入侵種移除防治及復育計劃、凍結一千萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 181、凍結10%委員張家俊等提案。 182、森林保護與林地管理、凍結10%委員蔡易宇等提案。 183、凍結2290萬元委員鄭天才等提案。 184、向海致敬海岸清潔維護計劃。"},{"start":3629.002,"end":3641.147,"text":"動結1500萬元委員鄭天才等提案、185林業發展向下後職森林資源、檢列500萬元委員陳廷飛等提案、186動結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案、187公司有林經營及林產發展、檢列2億元動結10%委員楊瓊英等提案、188動結400萬元委員鄭天才等提案、189動結150萬元委員"},{"start":3655.359,"end":3664.246,"text":"奈瑞隆等提案、190業務費向下預計投注於原住民族地區經費凍結100萬元委員鄭天才等提案、191國有林整體置身防災及林道維護凍結5億0、170萬元委員鄭天才等提案、192凍結10%委員蔡易餘等提案、"},{"start":3679.81,"end":3687.216,"text":"193、國有林大規模崩塌防災治理凍結6千萬元委員鄭天才等提案。 194、森林油氣場域發展與推動檢列3億元凍結10%委員楊瓊英等提案。 195、凍結10%委員蔡宇宇等提案。 196、大阿里山軸帶百年躍升建設凍結1千萬元。"},{"start":3704.298,"end":3710.128,"text":"委員張家俊等提案、197地與野生物保育管理、凍結200萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案、198業務費向下資訊服務費、"},{"start":3716.641,"end":3726.751,"text":"凍結10%文、邱志偉等提案。 199、火土生態保育綠色網絡建設計劃凍結200萬元委員賴樂龍等提案。200、業務費凍結3000萬元委員李玉玲等提案。201、業務費向下委辦費凍結10%文、張家俊等提案。202案至206案為主決議請參閱。3、農村水保屬及所屬。"},{"start":3741.11,"end":3763.614,"text":"207、水土保持發展、凍結十分之一委員蔡玉等提案。208、整體性治山防災、凍結五億一千五百萬元委員鄭天才等提案。209、凍結四千萬元委員李玉玲等提案。210、大規模崩塌及不安定土砂防撿災、撿獵三百萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。211、凍結一億元委員鄭天才等提案。"},{"start":3769.619,"end":3782.646,"text":"212、凍結兩千萬元文、榆林等提案。 213、重劃區外緊急農路設施改善、凍結一千萬元文、邱志偉等提案。 214、推動地方創生、凍結10%文、蔡宇等提案。 215至221案為主決議,其中215案改列為331之1案,請參閱。 504所、222案。"},{"start":3795.834,"end":3806.377,"text":"林業科技試驗研究淨零排放及提升森林碳匯效益研究凍結10%文釵魚等提案六、水勢所223案農業試驗與發展凍結1%文釵魚等提案七、蓄勢所及所屬"},{"start":3815.087,"end":3844.271,"text":"兩百二十四案為主決議,請參閱。九、農藥所兩百二十五案,農藥試驗及登記管理,檢列兩百萬元委員陳廷飛等提案。兩百二十六,凍結十分之一委員蔡玉等提案。兩百二十七,農藥及其他化學物質檢測分析,凍結三百萬元委員邱志偉等提案。十、生物多樣性研究所兩百二十八案,生物多樣性研究、野生物資源管理研究凍結百分之二十委員賴瑞龍等提案。"},{"start":3845.531,"end":3852.495,"text":"11、查改廠229案、農業試驗發展、總廠南遷之環評等先期規劃、凍結1150萬元文章膠菌等提案。18、花蓮區農改廠230案、農作物改良、向下農業推廣研究、凍結20%文賴銳容等提案。20、漁業暑期所屬。"},{"start":3870.607,"end":3892.914,"text":"231、漁業科技研究發展凍結十分之一文、菜育等提案。232、凍結五十萬元文、賴瑞隆等提案。233、提升養殖漁業生產與管理技術研究凍結十分之一文、菜育等提案。234、加強海洋漁業資源合理利用及管理、減劣百分之二十文、養雄鷹等提案。"},{"start":3895.179,"end":3900.424,"text":"235、水產加工及品質安全檢測凍結十分之一文、菜育等提案。 236、"},{"start":3902.982,"end":3910.304,"text":"氣候變遷調適策略、凍結20%文采宇等提案、237凍結10%文張家俊等提案、238凍結300萬元文邱志偉等提案、239凍結100萬元文陳廷輝等提案、240漁業管理凍結5%文蕭一鳳等提案、241凍結100萬元文賴瑞龍等提案、242"},{"start":3927.984,"end":3935.952,"text":"沿靜海漁業管理向下業務費凍結1000萬元文李玉玲等提案、243凍結500萬元文陳超明等提案、244凍結300萬元文張祺凱等提案、245漁業與人權行動計劃減劣20%文楊瓊英等提案、246業務費凍結10%文張家俊等提案、"},{"start":3950.533,"end":3970.105,"text":"兩百四十七養殖漁業管理,減劣百分之二十為楊瓊英等提案。兩百四十八漁業發展,凍結十分之一為蔡易宇等提案。兩百四十九凍結六十萬元為賴瑞龍等提案。兩百五十漁業永續經營基礎建設計劃,凍結百分之二十為蔡易宇等提案。"},{"start":3970.623,"end":3984.889,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單"},{"start":4001.643,"end":4013.47,"text":"262案,動植物防檢疫管理,凍結30%為零氮化等提案。263,凍結5%為蟹鳳等提案。264,動物防疫業務向下獎補助費,檢列400萬元為陳亭飛等提案。265,植物防疫業務向下業務費,凍結500萬元為呂玉玲等提案。266,凍結500萬元為陳昌明等提案。"},{"start":4028.78,"end":4036.146,"text":"267,凍結300萬元文章棋凱等提案。 268,獎補助費,凍結500萬元文秋志偉等提案。 269,植物檢疫業務,凍結300萬元文秋志偉等提案。 270,業務費,凍結300萬元文玉琳等提案。 271,企劃業務向下業務費,凍結200萬元文玉琳等提案。 272,大陸地區旅費。"},{"start":4053.34,"end":4059.625,"text":"檢驗281,000元委員張家俊等提案、273土宅衛生檢查業務凍結10%委員楊瓊玉等提案、274業務費凍結1,000萬元委員張家俊等提案、275凍結500萬元委員余玲等提案、276至284為主決議請參院。二十二、農金屬285"},{"start":4079.029,"end":4087.959,"text":"農業金融研發提升農業受益與穩定所得之政策研究、凍結100萬元委員呂玉玲等提案、286。農業金融業務、凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案、287。凍結50萬元委員賴瑞龍等提案、288。農業保險及資訊、凍結150萬元委員呂玉玲等提案、289。農業金融"},{"start":4103.233,"end":4113.14,"text":"機構管理、凍結300萬元委員張祺凱等提案、290、凍結300萬元委員陳超明等提案、291、業務費凍結200萬元委員呂玉玲等提案、292、凍結25萬元委員呂玉玲等提案、293案為主決議請參閱、23、農糧屬及所屬、294、農糧科技研發、農糧作物產銷技術研發、凍結50萬元委員賴瑞隆等提案、295、"},{"start":4130.362,"end":4141.347,"text":"作物、環境、科技、研發、向下業務費凍結30%委員參與等提案。 296、農糧管理減劣5%委員謝一鳳等提案。 297、企劃管理凍結1500萬元委員陳昌明等提案。 298、稻作產業管理向下業務費凍結300萬元委員李玉玲等提案。 299、雜糧特作管理凍結500萬元委員參與等提案。"},{"start":4157.782,"end":4177.114,"text":"三百建構高效智慧化農糧產品安全管理體系計畫凍結5%委員謝一鳳等提案。三百零一凍結3000萬元委員李玉玲等提案。三百零二凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案。三百零三分屬農糧管理凍結1000萬元委員張祺凱等提案。三百零四凍結800萬元委員陳昌明等提案。三百零五"},{"start":4181.607,"end":4190.895,"text":"受援農產品、驗證輔導及安全管理與行銷計畫、凍結200萬元文、邱志偉等提案、306業務費、凍結1000萬元文、呂玉玲等提案、307凍結10%文、張家俊等提案、308建構農產品、冷驗物流及品質確保示範體系計畫、檢列10%文、楊瓊雲等提案、309凍結500萬元文、邱志偉等提案、"},{"start":4205.549,"end":4221.89,"text":"三百一十至三百一十六為主決議請參院二十四農水署三百一十七農田水利科技農田水利科技研發向下業務費凍結五百萬元文章家俊等提案三百一十八一般行政"},{"start":4222.509,"end":4239.155,"text":"基本行政工作維持向下業務費向下特別費凍結15萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。319 農田水利跨域整合永續發展計畫凍結10%委員蔡易宇等提案。320凍結8400萬元委員鄭天才等提案。321凍結5%委員陳廷飛等提案。322凍結200萬元委員邱志偉等提案。323業務費凍結3000萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。324"},{"start":4252.383,"end":4276.377,"text":"設備及投資、公共建設及設施費、凍結五百萬元委員女育齡等提案、325、農地重劃區基礎建設升級計劃、凍結八千一百萬元委員鄭天才等提案、326、非營業特種基金、農田水利事業作業基金、校下國庫補充農田水利事業作業基金、凍結三億三千零一十九萬兩千元委員鄭天才等提案、327至"},{"start":4278.337,"end":4296.856,"text":"三百三十一案為主決議請參閱二十五農科園區管理中心三百三十二、三百三十三為主決議請參閱一百一十四年度農業部主管附屬單位預算非營業部分、農業作業基金"},{"start":4298.052,"end":4305.234,"text":"一、業務計劃請參閱。二、業務收支。業務總收入5億5千零43萬2千元。業務總支出6億6千6百零4萬9千元。本期短處1億1561萬7千元。三、截繳公庫金額5列數。四、轉投資計劃5列數。五、固定資產之建設改良擴充5千381萬4千元。"},{"start":4323.059,"end":4329.896,"text":"六、國庫增波基金額無劣數。七、補辦預算固定資產之建設改良擴充4374萬2千元。"},{"start":4334,"end":4341.367,"text":"農田水利事業作業基金一業務計劃請參閱二業務收支業務總收入108億2991萬5千元業務總支出128億6612萬元本期短處20億3620萬5千元三節繳供貨金額無劣數四轉投資計劃無劣數五固定資產建設改良擴充91億9364萬2千元"},{"start":4359.583,"end":4363.348,"text":"六、國庫增撥基金額73億6452萬6千元。七、補辦預算依固定資產值建設改良擴充7億1217萬9千元。二、資產值變賣1億2946萬8千元。"},{"start":4378.119,"end":4385.625,"text":"農業特別收入基金一、優計劃請參閱二、基金來源用途及餘處基金來源464億4509萬1千元基金用途611億6167萬6千元本期短處147億1658萬5千元三、節繳公庫劣數農民退休基金"},{"start":4402.486,"end":4428.977,"text":"一、基金運用計畫請參閱二、總收入7億2758萬9千元三、總支出255萬5千元四、本期剩餘7億2503萬4千元提案部分第一案業務收入、銷貨收入、農產品銷貨收入、種苗改良、繁殖作業基金、增利500萬元、文章加訓等提案二、業務成本與費用"},{"start":4430.902,"end":4446.053,"text":"業務費用、向下服務費、向下推展費、減業40萬元、維園徵證錢等提案、三、推展費、農業科技、園區作業基金、全數凍結、維園張家俊等提案、四、種苗改良、繁殖作業基金、向下業務成本與費用、銷貨成本、農產品銷貨成本、凍結100萬元、維園張家俊等提案、五、"},{"start":4450.128,"end":4464.761,"text":"續產改良作業基金向下業務成本與費用,動節5%維園歇鳳等提案,6動節3%陳亭飛等提案,7業務費用向下服務費用,動節100萬元維園女育齡等提案,8農業科技園區作業基金業務成本與費用向下出租資產成本,動節1500萬元維園女育齡等提案,9續產改良作業基金"},{"start":4475.638,"end":4494.194,"text":"無形資產向下電腦軟體全數凍結委員張家俊等提案。第10至22案為主決議請參閱。農田水利事業作業基金提案。第23案業務外收入向下其他業務外收入凍結10%委員蔡宇等提案。第24"},{"start":4495.509,"end":4505.535,"text":"服務費用、向下旅運費、檢列100萬元、凍結200萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案。 25、服務費用、向下推展費、檢列1600萬元委員徵政前等提案。 26、一般建築及設備計劃、檢列3000萬元委員陳廷飛等提案。 27至35案為主決議請參閱。農業特別收入基金第36案推展費、檢列1億1000萬元委員徵政前等提案。"},{"start":4524.595,"end":4549.323,"text":"一、農業發展基金三十七案提升農業經營及發展計畫、良政業務計畫上銷服務費凍結一億元文成超明等提案三十八、凍結一億元文章齊凱等提案三十九、凍結兩千萬元文章齊凱等提案四十、穩定肥料及相關資材供需計畫凍結百分之五文秋瑩等提案四十一、凍結一千萬元文秋智瑋等提案"},{"start":4550.183,"end":4556.667,"text":"〈產銷調節計畫〉〈減利500萬元文成停費等提案〉〈促進農地利用及農業競爭力計畫〉〈凍結1⅓文零代化等提案〉〈增進農民所得及福利計畫〉〈向下農業保險計畫〉〈凍結5%文菜育等提案〉"},{"start":4570.725,"end":4587.253,"text":"農業貸款利息差額補貼計劃,檢列200萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。二、林務發展及造林基金46案。森林遊樂及林業鐵路經營管理計劃,檢列1000萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。47、檢列100萬元凍結5%委員賴瑞榮等提案。48、凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案。49、服務費用凍結5%委員蔡宇等提案。"},{"start":4598.052,"end":4621.52,"text":"五十、構建固定資產無形資產非理財目的資產其投資及影射與設施工程支出向下構建固定資產凍結688萬元委員張家俊等提案。五十一、獎勵輔導造林計劃凍結三分之一委員林大化等提案。三、農業天然災害救助基金五十二、"},{"start":4622.36,"end":4635.375,"text":"農業天然災害救助計劃、檢列100萬元文成廷飛等提案。53、凍結500萬元文邱志偉等提案。54、漁業發展基金、漁業發展補助計劃、檢列30萬元文成廷飛等提案。55、凍結150萬元文成廷飛等提案。"},{"start":4637.897,"end":4655.787,"text":"委員呂玉玲等提案、五、農產品受進口損害救助基金、五十六、調整產業或防範措施計劃、養豬產業內性高效價值及競爭力優化計劃、檢列3000萬元委員陳廷飛等提案、五十七、凍結百分之五委員蔡宇等提案、"},{"start":4656.36,"end":4674.535,"text":"五十八,凍結5%文、蚯蚓等提案。五十九,凍結5%文、蟹鳳等提案。六十,凍結200萬元文、蚯蚓等提案。六十一,養牛產業全面升級轉型計劃,凍結5%文、蟹鳳等提案。六十二,凍結200萬元文、蚯蚓等提案。六十三,綠色環境給付計劃,凍結1%文、零蛋化等提案。六十四,凍結5%文、菜魚等提案。"},{"start":4683.479,"end":4705.688,"text":"六、農村再生基金、六十五、農村再生規劃及能力培育計劃、凍結三分之一文零代化等提案、六十六、凍結一百萬元文、邱志偉等提案、六十七、農村再生建設及發展計劃、凍結三分之一文零代化等提案、六十八、農村再生社區發展及環境改善、凍結百分之五文、蔡宇等提案、"},{"start":4707.32,"end":4710.741,"text":"69.智能防災設施型農業計劃,檢列兩千萬元為陳清飛等提案。 70."},{"start":4710.741,"end":4712.901,"text":"凍結兩百萬元為邱志偉等提案。 71."},{"start":4712.901,"end":4716.522,"text":"服務費用凍結百分之五為蕭一鳳等提案。 72至84案為主決議。請參閱。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":4731.823,"end":4747.748,"text":"好,我們這個先來確定議事錄齁。請問這場委員,上次議事錄有無錯誤?David,你喊一下。好,我們沒有錯誤,議事錄確定齁。"},{"start":4750.178,"end":4776.177,"text":"我們現在繼續進行農業部主管預算的審查那先從農業部及所屬公用預算來進行預算協商好現在開始各位我們手上都有所有提案的資料的彙整我們就按照這個主項來來審查來協商那先處理"},{"start":4778.837,"end":4795.544,"text":"部本部的部分稅數部分我們從第一案到第七案一起處理好我們有張家俊、張啟凱、楊瓊英、謝英鳳、曾振淺、蔡宇宜以及本席的提案這個部分是不是先請農業部做一個說明"},{"start":4813.716,"end":4822.261,"text":"主席、各位委員第一案到第七案的部分最主要是針對農業部的這些媒體政策的一個業務宣導的費用"},{"start":4823.542,"end":4844.882,"text":"那我要跟委員報告其實我們的業務宣導都會用在我們該用的地方那特別是在去年度從去年度開始我們針對淨林永續的部分跟針對動物保護的部分還有自然保育的部分我們的更多的加強他們的相關的一個宣導所以這些宣導包括委員有關心的就是說這些宣導都"},{"start":4845.803,"end":4871.934,"text":"有到特定的媒體去那在這邊也跟委員報告我們的這些宣導會大概有應該有8家的媒體在運作而不是說只有特定的媒體那他是讓我們的政策讓民眾充分的了解然後特別是有一些相關的急需讓農民知道的部分都是用這樣的費用那也請委員能夠支持免於簡略所以是8家媒體是電子還是平面"},{"start":4873.097,"end":4876.398,"text":"報告主席,我們總共有東森、華氏、三立、民視、年代、中廣、凱洛"},{"start":4901.85,"end":4907.775,"text":"我是提案凍結300萬提出更多資料有預期的效益、效果"},{"start":4930.307,"end":4935.551,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分："},{"start":4950.498,"end":4973.035,"text":"今天議事人員辛苦了練了50分鐘我看朝野都有很多的意見那我們現在在談的是農業部媒體政策跟業務的這個先導費用事實上1450這個名詞就從農業部開始的那這次為什麼一開始我提說至少要3減1000億因為大家看一下今年度113年這個費用這個預算是"},{"start":4976.112,"end":5003.99,"text":"是一千七百四十八萬四千元結果竟然明年一下子暴增到兩千八百零一萬兩千元增加幅度你看多了一千多萬增加了一千多萬那像民眾對於農業部的是希望說農業部從部長開始所有的農業部的觀念是為農業農民來服務做好事情最重要擦脂抹粉不見得要那麼多"},{"start":5004.73,"end":5026.193,"text":"特別是不要一下子增加這麼多錢那如果真的就業務面農業部這段時間引起最大爭議的就是真的要好好做這個政策的這個宣導或者是業務的這個說明有兩個嘛一個是超市進口雞蛋的這個爭議這個弊案一個就是公糧收購那這兩個案子到目前"},{"start":5027.369,"end":5036.092,"text":"沒有看到很清楚的很清楚的把真相還有這個責任的這個宣傳政策的這個檢討還有整個宣傳把它做好"},{"start":5037.539,"end":5064.592,"text":"所以我建議就是說先老講三個一千億還是三個一千萬算是客氣的啦我看草野很多都提了有人一下凍結要凍結的錢都比我還多連民進黨也都提了嘛所以我建議我們是不是就是先減類一千萬謝謝來金淳英委員好謝謝本席是針對第三案第三案對那也就是剛剛紅委員說了我要跟部長"},{"start":5065.692,"end":5082.425,"text":"分享的就是說像我們現金救助那個選團的部分像現金救助就是說你這個區塊它有如果損害10%那認定這樣子這一個問題但是我們是依依公告"},{"start":5083.306,"end":5097.135,"text":"今天如果公告下去,今天還要算10天來,給北省去申請。但是我們的農民啊,他有的都在產的來,就一直在做。像我們這次的馬鈴薯,我具體今天應該還在給一個時間,因為它實際上是有狀況。"},{"start":5101.978,"end":5117.685,"text":"那他們在產業來對甚至我們的農民我們也一直講齁我們說你只要有狀況你比較快你拍一個照有的說為什麼基金就沒有啊我們的農民有八到十歲他沒有他連手機都沒有所以他就是顧這堆土地他認為我要花時間"},{"start":5119.226,"end":5122.367,"text":"公告後10天,我覺得我們既然我們的良益就是要讓農民去申請,"},{"start":5142.475,"end":5167.955,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農業特別收入基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退"},{"start":5169.396,"end":5193.393,"text":"我們公所啊、有農業課啊,這一些跟農民都息息相關,你都知道。不管三小班還是一大輩子,你都知道啊。你為什麼不透過這個體系去告訴他們呢?而且他們每一天都在見面啊。那你10天裡頭,公告開始的10天,你10天還包括什麼?你還包括6日。你10天一定會多到6日耶。"},{"start":5194.093,"end":5197.656,"text":"阿我的白痴說我第11天去沒有,委員我真的很可憐的,我都帶款,阿本來我就順勢,因為像我們現在的馬鈴薯阿,那委隊都會告去,都亂去阿,不是滾亂去,就是白起來,笑到臉去。"},{"start":5209.246,"end":5210.767,"text":"第2個充分建立你公告的10天這個10天裡面還包括6日"},{"start":5238.676,"end":5258.229,"text":"還包括6日啊,所以這個公告時間是不是應該可以延長?那我一定就要10天欸,對不對?這兩點我希望要得到你們的支持,請說一下好不好?那你同意回答啦,好,同意回答,同意回答。好像要講掉就要回答。對,對,對,言之有理啦,我本席不會贊同喔。"},{"start":5262.328,"end":5276.58,"text":"市長、各位委員、部長。我想我的看法是,其實現在的幫花農產品的行銷很重要。就是說我們有好的產品,怎麼樣讓更多人能夠行銷出去。那這幾年其實農業部做了很多努力,不管是國內的行銷或國際的行銷,我認為這個都很重要。"},{"start":5279.642,"end":5299.93,"text":"不斷的透過宣傳行銷讓更多人來享用好的農產品才能夠提升更好的價格同時間也能夠讓農民有更好的收益所以我個人其實是認為這樣的經費其實是可以支持就是運用的項目的部分應該這個多支持在讓更多農產品被更多人知道"},{"start":5300.29,"end":5320.62,"text":"同時有一些訊息的正確的釐清也很重要因為有時候如果一些訊息錯誤的時候有可能會導致一些農漁產品的價格的崩跌甚至有可能造成農民重大的損失那我認為這個時候其實是透過各項的通路去澄清說明我認為也很重要所以加上現在網路的時代訊息非常的快"},{"start":5322.441,"end":5347.211,"text":"這個有時候呈現的稍微慢一點點有可能農民就中錯了所以我是覺得這一項的預算應該要審慎思考那我會建議因為過去這樣的一個經費通常都會在草野協商還會再做一次的處理那我會建議主席是不是我們就乾脆整個保留到草野上去再來做一次處理要不然你現在處理過一次草野協商還要再處理一次那讓這個保留下來之後讓後面的先來進行我認為可能會是比較快的方法"},{"start":5348.251,"end":5352.594,"text":"這個言之有理,值得參考。下一位,沈迪菲。謝謝主席。我想這個媒體政策跟業務宣導,這是絕對是有必要的。因為你沒有宣導,你沒有辦法把我們的農產品行銷出去。大家也不知道你這個地方,你重點發展的農產品是什麼。"},{"start":5375.308,"end":5403.46,"text":"然後到底我在哪一個季節我可以去行銷可以去做所以我覺得這個是有必要的那委員所擔心質疑的就是說是不是有到達它的基本效果比如說今天我也常常在講說今天我們台灣台南的芒果非常有名那你要國際芒果節你在台南自己本地去行銷國際芒果節它有效果嗎這有一個大問號"},{"start":5405.083,"end":5430.94,"text":"你國際上往外讓全世界看到說哇我們台南就是在這個暑假的時候有芒果而且都是有這麼好的一個這個品種也好還有它的整個它的甜度等等都是很好可以送禮的然後也是好吃的水果當季水果可是你在台南大家都知道所以我也認為說"},{"start":5432.628,"end":5433.008,"text":"對於委員許問請農業部綜合回答。"},{"start":5460.825,"end":5487.675,"text":"我想簡單的回答就是剛才張委員所提到的時候我們預算增加了1000多萬那應該這麼講就是我們每一年在編預算的時候有一個預算然後最後一個法定預算就是透過立法院刪除了如果說立法院刪除了以後是的確增加1700多萬但是我們每年編的話都是跟去年的編列預算的同一個時間的階段來比我們大概增加了300多萬而已這第一個說明那第二個說明就是基金的部分我想"},{"start":5488.155,"end":5507.751,"text":"檢察單位已經在查了,我就不再多說明。未來該怎麼處理,我們一定會怎麼處理。如果說有任何的不法的,我們一定會處理。但是如果沒有不法,我們也是要還同那個清白。第三個部分,有關洋委員講的,我非常謝謝。第一個,天數的部分,我們已經從日曆天變成工作天了。就是禮拜六、禮拜天扣掉了。"},{"start":5508.251,"end":5523.838,"text":"第二個部分我們在新的辦法裡面已經必要的時候可以延長所以有一個比較彈性的機制那我也已經告訴我們同仁我們每一年的年底會把新的天然災害救助辦法重新公告包括它的天然災害的救助金額"},{"start":5524.258,"end":5547.568,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":5547.768,"end":5561.818,"text":"我們現在非常重度國外的通路的部分所以有一些宣傳其實我們也是去打國外的通路的部分那像這樣的部分我想我們未來會更努力把這個宣傳做到位好 下個正日前正日前之後楊詠英之後我們就處理"},{"start":5563.692,"end":5569.537,"text":"本席提出第五案,針對明年將近兩億元的沒宣費部分,本席質詢也特別提到,我們在過去110年到112年當中,前十大廠商有六間年年重複,"},{"start":5584.591,"end":5589.415,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分"},{"start":5605.046,"end":5617.383,"text":"農業部跟所屬機關110年到112年的廣宣採用限制性招標的決算數, 占比年年降低。年年降低降到多少?從95.3%降到91.1%。這叫逐年降低。"},{"start":5622.95,"end":5645.707,"text":"農業部 我不知道為什麼農業部他要用這麼高九成以上全部用限制性招標說實話同樣我們這個委員會裡面經濟部就不是這個狀態經濟部限制性招標才一成多而已農業部叫九成多那我們要求提出說明的時候這邊也沒有一個更詳細的一個說明所以本席這邊的時候要求凍結一億人然後讓他們就是來"},{"start":5647.328,"end":5659.993,"text":"對於未來的那個沒宣費的限制金照標金額限制金照不能超過總預算的10%然後就是等那個農業部跟本委員體育專案報告之後我們再同意他動之謝謝以上"},{"start":5664.915,"end":5678.1,"text":"謝謝主委剛剛提出說在信心救助的部分工作天、日曆天這個機制但是我還是要有這個機制因為每一年的天然災害的救助的額度"},{"start":5678.74,"end":5684.381,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":5699.565,"end":5709.027,"text":"因為現在軟化問題,我們的目的就是說你那個區域如果有超過10%,我們都超40、50%的啦,但是它陸陸續續出來,日頭拍肉,它的血液黏著,胃臟軟了,日頭拍肉,它的菌軟了,日頭拍肉,它胃臟黑了。"},{"start":5719.85,"end":5749.053,"text":"所以你這個時間如果說只有加兩天我認為是不足的因為是老天爺跟我們開玩笑我們應該是把心是要做什麼目標就是農民你真正有受害我協助你而且他要有所本所以我建議你這個時間如果只有加六日兩天根本幫助我們不了什麼根本不可能所以我還是建議就是說因為軟化的問題你現金救助"},{"start":5749.733,"end":5762.498,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及�"},{"start":5778.484,"end":5785.288,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休"},{"start":5796.354,"end":5797.255,"text":"好不好?"},{"start":5797.255,"end":5799.056,"text":"是不是時間怎麼樣?"},{"start":5799.056,"end":5805.6,"text":"我們把這事情理清楚嘛。 神鋼的部分是不是一定要延長?"},{"start":5805.6,"end":5809.683,"text":"因為它是12、3天前公布的。 原廠同不同意?"},{"start":5813.785,"end":5835.839,"text":"這應該要延長啦,必要時啊。過去齁,過去在法規上面沒有延長,必要時延長,所以我們在法規已經放下去了,所以說可以延長啦。必要時延長啦。對,所以可以延長我們來處理好不好。好不好,我們神崗那個馬力署就有半個人在講,要延長。希望有一個機制你們去討論,因為我們現在看到軟化問題很嚴肅。養委員,我請問一下,是軟化還是軟化?"},{"start":5843.023,"end":5864.548,"text":"是暖化、是暖化。溫暖就暖啊。你說什麼拍著拍著我也說暖化。是暖化、是暖化。暖起來啦。燒啦。喔,是這樣喔。是暖化啦。你國用幫的跟我們台中幫的比較不一樣,他故意要製造氣氛。沒有啦,我是說這個是暖化。那這個拜託通知我們,香港要讓他們可以申請。是暖化齁。幾乎都四五十趴都不去啊,很可憐。"},{"start":5870.709,"end":5892.574,"text":"另外那個鄭委員所提到的就是限制性招標我想第一個澄清限制性招標不是說找個廠家來議價就結束了其實限制性招標有限制性招標的一個規範它還是要有多家符合相關的採購法有多家來投標那最主要的我們會講限制性招標的原因就是它必須要有專案服務的能力我們避免說公開招標就是"},{"start":5893.234,"end":5893.274,"text":"好。那個..."},{"start":5922.305,"end":5946.636,"text":"報告各位委員,這個每年討論到這個大家都老爺滾滾,大家都有很多的這個垂詢,也很多的很好的建議,但是每年處理的方式都是各部會到草野協商的時候,各部會相關的媒體跟醫護宣導費都會做一個統算,都會做一個統算,所以我估計這項保留,"},{"start":5949.817,"end":5951.659,"text":"一名的召委我覺得我們經濟委員會大家一直實質在討論"},{"start":5971.377,"end":5989.841,"text":"我們我認為不應當說我們這麼努力在討論而且各委員都提出意見我們不做處理然後保留送統三我不贊成這樣子那這樣子我們就不用去就不用去討論啊對不對所以我還是建議我的第三項這個簡略20%請大家支持"},{"start":5993.502,"end":5998.644,"text":"因為有不同意見,所以才保留,不是為了捅3。你要讓我們講,我反對捅3,不是講幾次。我捅3是,以後還會捅3。但我保留的原因是說,大家沒有共識,有些人要凍結。還沒啊,你還沒問人家,人家有3、2、10%有凍結。有啦,都已經發言了。有凍結。可是你要處理啊。我當然在處理嘛,大家都已經第7位發言了。你發言3次,來,賴克榮。"},{"start":6023.175,"end":6041.91,"text":"我先講一下啦好不好我先講一下我是要強調啦齁就是說像農產品我認為農業產品的行銷其實很重要啦比如像高雄齁我跟志偉的選區裡面海洋無保就很強齁我由於秋刀魚那像今年的秋刀魚跟魷魚的量就不錯去年就不好"},{"start":6042.31,"end":6067.548,"text":"那今年量不錯 那量不錯的時候我們就應該加強國內國外的行銷讓它可以賣得更出去量多有時候反而價格會跌但是我今年量多價格也不錯我們應該努力的行銷出去包括像這個虱目魚、石斑魚在邱志維委員的選區這個行銷很重要你看像石斑魚進到日本去很不容易啊我們應該努力在行銷出去包括連這個虱目魚現在很多還得到了歐洲的一些"},{"start":6068.848,"end":6090.402,"text":"獎牌就得到很多三星的獎所以我覺得我們不斷的行銷出去我們有機會讓這些漁民有更好的一些收益與產品如意包括烏魚在秋圍那邊也有烏魚籽你看現在日本那麼喜歡要想辦法行銷出去包括烏魚我最近發現很多大賣場的通路也開始在賣烏魚的一葉乾我覺得非常好那我覺得應該要不斷的行銷讓全世界品嚐到台灣這麼優質的一些魚種"},{"start":6093.804,"end":6111.213,"text":"農產品來說好了你看像香蕉、像芭樂、像棗子甚至於這個鳳梨甚至於芒果甚至於玉荷包我認為這個其實都相當有國內外的競爭力那這個一定要加強行銷力道他才能夠得到更好的價格"},{"start":6111.833,"end":6111.973,"text":"除此之外﹗"},{"start":6145.678,"end":6158.254,"text":"市長只有七位委員嘛對不對大家都看得到那個上面檢列或者凍結那個金額嘛我是建議說不要馬上就想到說要到送到那個草野協商那邊去那今天我們今天留在這邊就辛苦了啦"},{"start":6158.775,"end":6182.117,"text":"那老實講只有7個嘛,當然我知道如果要求要表決大概等於要清點人數的辦法,要不要先試著,先試著看看,先試著看看有沒有大家可以接受的案子,先說我提減淚1000嘛對不對,那熊英說600.5啊,我們就考一個,考一個到一個。你還記得嘛齁,前幾天在預算稍微協商,幫我們委員會通過的版本又重新再提對不對,"},{"start":6183.151,"end":6190.775,"text":"把你通過的版本貴檔又重新再提檢列。所以本來就要有委員會討論,你還要說,這本來就必須討論的過程,要有共識。所以說,委員會去經過調研、協商,討出來結論,預算的結論,在草擬市場又被翻盤。"},{"start":6205.336,"end":6224.251,"text":"你懂我的意思嗎?對,我剛剛跟你請到的那些...所以你現在說...你如果說...不是啦,我倒覺得這兩個沒有衝突啦。今天會有衝突。我們這邊...今天會就不用開了嘛。我的意思沒有,我們先發揮我們立委的功能,我們在經濟委員會我們先試著看到底要是減淚或者凍結多少。第一個齁,因為...因為本來...第43屆...我們第5會沒有表決的啦。"},{"start":6228.695,"end":6237.241,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":6244.531,"end":6266.732,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6266.832,"end":6286.426,"text":"我已經處理滿了,保留不是要送月會,保留是說這個其他的案子先處理完之後,以後再過頭來看。 知事主席,知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主席啦。 知事主"},{"start":6291.069,"end":6292.83,"text":"第一次喔 莊委你這個表現對執政黨太好了"},{"start":6312.736,"end":6330.209,"text":"委員會是獨立的每一個委員都有單獨表示的意見是是是你別人說你照你所講20分鐘不能解決就送去保留我看起來下面都全部保留阿如果是英明的召會你在裡面擇其中讓大家能信服阿"},{"start":6334.205,"end":6335.726,"text":"我這樣講勒,他也沒有經過你同意就講了。"},{"start":6353.898,"end":6356.639,"text":"經濟委員會充分討論主席臺本來就針對於所有的委員所提供寶貴的意見"},{"start":6375.126,"end":6397.953,"text":"因為一到七不管藍綠白好不容易大家都有提案不管是東山怎麼樣的情況所以主席台應該是要處理一到七的這個情況而不是說你到院會再協商的時候一樣再提案所以我們這裡不用處理我不同意如此以上建言好現在有簡列有解列有凍結"},{"start":6400.97,"end":6407.939,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分："},{"start":6418.615,"end":6420.957,"text":"第8項業務費、一般事務費張勤來委員提案"},{"start":6448.899,"end":6473.955,"text":"好 所以我是主張在農業部向下業務費的一般事務費他是7680萬我要求至少要先凍結200萬原因是剛剛主席在講說言之有理的賴瑞榮講的很重要沒錯賴瑞榮你剛才說信息澄清非常重要賴瑞榮你剛才說信息澄清非常重要那為什麼要提這個至少要凍結200萬"},{"start":6475.714,"end":6496.272,"text":"我在上次的質詢特別提啊我們立法院的議員會已經通過說公糧收購每公斤要調高五塊錢啊可是很多農民發現說農業部不只沒有執行他們還製作了圖卡去宣傳然後把公糧收購存在的價值跟提升農民收入這個實質的意義啊把它污名化"},{"start":6497.27,"end":6520.179,"text":"所以包括上次我在總質詢我都明確要求部長說你有沒有引力107年造成水稻產量大增價格下跌的元兇事實上是你們農業部推了一個成績中推了一個106年開始試辦107年前面實施的對立地環境給付計畫的稻作直接給付跟保價收購雙軌制這導致農民沒有選擇去"},{"start":6524.221,"end":6537.361,"text":"繳這個公糧收購改為直接去領直接的這個給付金。所以我再呼籲一下就剛剛耐瑞榮代委員講的信息的更正很重要那都質詢了農民現在在抗議啊說你們不質詢這個公糧收購每公斤調高五塊錢還製造這個"},{"start":6539.524,"end":6557.262,"text":"錯誤的這個信息,到現在我沒看到你們有更正啊。不然你至少要把那個圖卡的每一個時間點每一年,你不要跳躍,一定要跳了3、4年。那第二個,也沒有把陳其中做的到座直接給付跟價格的這個保駕收購。我說你要做更正,要跟我說明,到現在沒有,我當然要求要凍結,堅持到底。"},{"start":6560.85,"end":6588.004,"text":"農業部我跟委員報告我們所提供的所有的圖畫所有的數據都是有依據的這第一點第二點委員一直講到就是說這個107年是因為稻作集富所造成的一個問題我們也查證過了這個不是稻作集富所造成的那一年是一個豐產年第二個稻作直接集富的時候那個面積其實已經在27萬了所以您剛才講的那個訊息基本上也是一個"},{"start":6589.225,"end":6611.816,"text":"解讀上的一個不一樣的角度的解讀的一個訊息我不不能說錯但是他是不一樣的解讀的訊息所以換句話說我們最後在公糧的政策已經在黨團常委在協商的時候我們也承諾了我們院長也承諾我們一定會在12月底之前會把我們的公糧的一個收購的整個政策"},{"start":6612.376,"end":6617.558,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分。 »: 三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分。 »:"},{"start":6636.403,"end":6654.454,"text":"你至少把每一年你一看你的圖卡我上次已經跟你講了你從一下子跳了好幾年從100、101、102一下跳到105我說你至少把每一年把你做的這個做的這個到直接給付跟保過的這個價格你要把這個變數把它寫進去啊好 來 曾俊賢"},{"start":6656.695,"end":6684.828,"text":"謝謝主席那個因為剛剛我那個在1到7案的時候我本來還要在第二輪發言可是後來主席沒有直接往下走了我想問一下主席就是因為剛剛那個部長針對我剛剛提出的部分其實他沒有真的回答我的部分那我們保留的部分是要等到這個本部的一個預算之後才回來處理還是要等到基金的預算處理完之後才回來處理基金預算處理完之後才回來處理其他處理完之後暫保的部分再回課回來回謀再來看"},{"start":6688.33,"end":6700.519,"text":"報告主席你很殘忍你坐在椅子上部長要站了一個早上你是坐在椅子上還是站著我以為你站著就發言這個"},{"start":6710.59,"end":6718.655,"text":"主席,你要尊重陳昌明委員的發言。是我請同仁把椅子搬過去。是我請同仁把椅子搬過去給部長做的。"},{"start":6728.819,"end":6756.11,"text":"我發現陳昌明比我更仁慈。這也是很體貼的發言。我是建議這樣啦,因為看來就是張綺海委員的發言跟部長之間大概有一些的落差。那我比較傾向這樣子,這個部分是不是就請那個農業部把你們這一個整個包括你們圖卡的說明再一次提供給委員會這邊。好不好,我們再來看一下。那我是建議這個預算能夠給予支持啦,因為看來是兩邊是有一些"},{"start":6756.69,"end":6756.81,"text":"二、繼續審查"},{"start":6782.366,"end":6806.566,"text":"來,我們開始處理第16款第一項第一幕部分第一幕部分是關於農業科技研發那總共是從第9案到27案大家要一併說明,一併提出問題那由張祺凱、張家俊、賴樂榮、楊雄、李玉琳等委員提出提案"},{"start":6808.43,"end":6821.904,"text":"那是不是農委會先做統一的說明?那第一幕本身是有關於我們農業科技管理跟產業化的一個相關的一個計畫那各位都知道其實我們"},{"start":6823.297,"end":6838.309,"text":"整個的農業部的科技計畫的部分一定是在跟國科會那邊跟全部的部會去競爭去爭取的而不是說圓餅、框葉、經費就在這裡的所以我們每年很努力的跟國科會那邊去爭取經費我們的經費"},{"start":6840.491,"end":6865.191,"text":"議員的預算也會增加那整個科技計劃其實所有的科技計劃都是在支持我們的產業發展包括我們的品種開發我們的技術開發包括現在的永續的循環的部分跟一些淨零碳排的部分的方法學的部分都是在這個科技計劃裡面相關的經費去支應的所以我還是請就是委員能夠支持能夠明與凍結或者是檢列相關的計劃因為我們所有試驗場所相關的"},{"start":6868.914,"end":6881.858,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府"},{"start":6889.921,"end":6894.942,"text":"我相信科技跟農業結合在一起是現代化的趨勢但是我今天看到這個預算我覺得農業部不夠努力"},{"start":6919.484,"end":6946.866,"text":"國家對於農業部科技的發展都不重視我現在幾幾個例子給你聽經濟部它的公園院一年大概是200我記得今年是271億的預算我們農業部那麼大才去爭取到15億政府公照顧農民我看起來都沒有照顧尤其部長你也不夠母女可能以前喘息下來"},{"start":6948.516,"end":6964.731,"text":"那工研院他的研發是跟民間配偶民間可以找他所要研究的項目跟他配偶經過他審核的以後但是你們農業部有一個農業科技院我記得在香山好像都消失掉了我都看不到"},{"start":6965.572,"end":6993.286,"text":"到底有什麽貢獻出來還有你們的試驗所還有你們的農業改良廠裡面我一直說你們做的成果要給我們曉得你們都做不出來我已經講了一切以上了我不瞭解你們科技研究到底有來新的東西出來那我感受最深的在哪裡我們縣裡海邊的海沙一直吹出來吹到我們的路邊吹到港口"},{"start":6994.875,"end":7024.504,"text":"我最近看一個資料大陸把沙漠變綠洲而且好幾個地方在試驗成功他拔瓜他種的種他種的方式都在研究出來了啊咱家咱看到我們也自我改進我們不要一直強調我們都行連海邊的沙你們都治不了了人家是沙漠的流沙捏我是提醒你們所以你們沒有危險的觀念天天在裡面只有自來講我們多好"},{"start":7026.231,"end":7050.139,"text":"這是第一點第二點你們應該跟民間結合存箱是很高貴的東西但是存箱是如果長起來要很高那我一直想要說這種存箱跟你們農業部哪一個單位把它改得矮矮的它的葉子也能用它的精油也能用它可以多種的循環利用"},{"start":7051.209,"end":7074.705,"text":"我們在你也沒有這樣只有你們現在變成只有你們實驗所改良廠還有那個自我研發我現在要研究什麼啊那個採取的技術現在都很進步了所以你們在這整個裡面裡面你們要自創啊還有一個我最近聽到一個生技公司在講"},{"start":7075.987,"end":7087.904,"text":"他可以讓動物的存活力不管你養魚、養蝦、養牛、養豬他的資金出來可以讓動物的存活力最少在95%以上"},{"start":7090.346,"end":7114.173,"text":"我們來研究這方面,因為這個我還要找你們的事來試一下,講的是不是真的,但是我覺得可能成,因為已經有很多驗證出來。別隨便說,我保證你們的觀念要改變啦。剛剛大家又講到我們的水果,水果最重要,我們出來的季節,調整的季節。"},{"start":7116.86,"end":7127.869,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田"},{"start":7129.912,"end":7153.127,"text":"第三個你加工的技術一個東西出來有各種變化導致在各個地方好好研究把那個比例出來跟民間合作你們是關起門來自己在研究啊那我今天講的不是指責我是期望很深因為你農業科技可以帶動一個新的輪轉不一定是給那個什麼半導體的"},{"start":7154.844,"end":7164.574,"text":"我們雖然沒有那麼大但是我們在這個台灣裡面我們自己能照顧我們可以研發新的東西出來也可以把種苗外銷出去"},{"start":7166.438,"end":7194.289,"text":"所以有時候我們再跟你再談有的跟我們買的但是你的科技研發十有十一我憑良心不夠本來要三的但是你們的做法沒有帶動給我們說支持農業部的科技研發不然你起碼也拿五、六十萬民間要去什麼魚鴨還是要做什麼實驗大家能配合能去探討你們沒有這個動作所以每次講到農民我們又不敢再預算"},{"start":7195.189,"end":7212.497,"text":"但是我們要期望對你們很高所以關於科技研究啊拜託部長真的你們要改進你農業科技院好像都消失沒有人曉得一個我記得農業科技院在香山庚竹蘭那個地方"},{"start":7213.53,"end":7235.192,"text":"阿但是沒有人曉得那個是很重要的科技研究單位阿阿有什麼東西沒有真的要改啦好不好我是幾點看幾點看提出來跟你們講阿那現在這個已經生計了你養殖的大概跟生計有關係你們要朝此方向來"},{"start":7236.394,"end":7263.016,"text":"好不好,像人家在講的他可以殺細胞,壞的細胞吃進他的東西,壞的細胞就會被他消滅掉,他是在活化細胞的。你來走這個方向,不要跟我說我以前的東西你去研究叫突破。大家講水果,你到東南亞,看到現在水果多好吃。我是老實講話的,你到大陸去吃他的水果,"},{"start":7263.917,"end":7266.259,"text":"農業科技研發總共變15億多而已但是你有9項01到09的施政項目"},{"start":7290.498,"end":7317.856,"text":"零一到零九都很重要,因為我們都來自農業縣。我覺得15億,未來是不是跟國科會跟行政多增加預算,你15億要分配到九項的市政項目。零一跟零九我們都有委員來提案,但是提案不是為了要減劣,提案是為了讓你們做得更好。共同的提案是說,部長你有責任,針對農業科技研發的經費希望明年再提出來的時候能夠再"},{"start":7318.977,"end":7323.259,"text":"農業科技是一個很重要的關鍵,而且在現階段,它是勢必面臨很多我們的年輕一輩,很多的青農,他必須要去做轉型,甚至他有一些想法。"},{"start":7340.908,"end":7360.643,"text":"所以真的是預算非常的不足而且你要這麼大這麼多樣這麼多的大項更是不足所以我不認為說今天應該去檢列但是大家會去由委員去提出檢列或是動靜是因為對於這些的項目大家搞不清楚你們重點要放在哪裡"},{"start":7361.443,"end":7389.654,"text":"所以我們每次跟青龍在對談的時候青龍也覺得他們一直沒有辦法得到他們心裡面要的那個區塊所以表示這個平台並沒有建立得非常好預算我覺得是不足的可是是因為我們覺得好像大家的感受沒有到位也就是沒有把錢放在一個大家最需要的一個區塊當中所以我認為這個部分"},{"start":7391.516,"end":7392.217,"text":"議員提出的事項是關於農業部主管．"},{"start":7410.776,"end":7422.381,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":7423.58,"end":7440.247,"text":"零一跟零九事業項目每一項都很重要我實際看過預算數但是你們要多跟委員會多做說明接下來是李毓林李毓林之後楊詠英楊詠英之後吳立法那個張祺凱張祺凱之後吳立法那之後再邱怡穎邱怡穎之後我們的處理"},{"start":7441.721,"end":7445.122,"text":"好主席我這個提案的話是針對這個項目我們在規劃擴大國際農業的這個合作的空間要來強化我們農產品的外銷但是我們看到所有的資料裡面在108年到112年我們農產品的出口"},{"start":7458.587,"end":7462.05,"text":"除此之外,在資料中看到整個貿易的逆差是從101億美金攀升到139億美金,農業部就應該要逐步深化雙邊實質上的農業合作,才能促進整個業者來拓展國外新興市場,才能提升整個"},{"start":7480.703,"end":7480.823,"text":"楊卓英議員"},{"start":7499.847,"end":7503.332,"text":"農業科技研發發展15億的經費,我們的委員也有棟也有山。其實大家真的看了這筆預算,想說會滴灰,還會痛。"},{"start":7515.968,"end":7531.1,"text":"為什麽呢?因為隨便經濟部我們其他的項項,國科會、工研院隨便一個都是兩三百億,也不是隨便啦,人家用心去經營。但是為什麽我們一直說臺灣以農立國,連一個口罩都可以口罩國家隊。那我們的農業以農立國,我們的人民時日住行日日離開不了我們的農。"},{"start":7541.448,"end":7556.757,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及�"},{"start":7557.737,"end":7561.66,"text":"到我們的議員去看,你剛才不要想到他會跑出來,什麼問題?一定是最後兩個禮拜才是要把那個甘蔗的田,他會出來,丟到在這,全世界只有我們,但是也是軟化問題。"},{"start":7575.503,"end":7577.866,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分："},{"start":7592.725,"end":7598.352,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":7609.969,"end":7636.663,"text":"新唐雪所以這一次的寶島甘露幾乎少了將近五成這個是老天爺氣候給我們的一個挑戰這個就是我們農業部單位應該要協助農民的我們只顧不好啊你給我們補不到我們的百分之一啊農民很可憐啊我也不可能全部都溫室啊不可能啊我們只一個人現在在接三遍接四遍部長你內行的啊"},{"start":7639.784,"end":7648.147,"text":"對嗎那這些為什麼連口罩國家隊都可以成立我們農業部部長你是有架樹的人你也是內行的人你是有能力的人應該要成立什麼應該要成立我們的農業我們的研發國家隊"},{"start":7657.31,"end":7666.538,"text":"您應該去選在管制裡面需要我們合作的,你們去練出來。像我們的寶島甘露,像這樣最後兩個禮拜把那個小樹枝搓成三分之一,凍凍的。它也沒落下去,都掉在樹上。我們當天看的時候,農事所會說,改良廠會說,啊這就好啊。我說你把他踢過去看看,他一看就嚇到。"},{"start":7685.113,"end":7707.296,"text":"數字在這裡這一個小數字一加上去啊所以沒有用啦這個是以往我們沒有想到的所以我在這邊具體建立部長希望你待會回答一下我覺得這個這個項目因為我那個提案裡面主要是林建基委員他很關心所以我還是要給大家提一下所以我具體建立我們的農業部"},{"start":7709.177,"end":7736.779,"text":"這個是國家的寶貝非常重大的資產應該成立農業研發國家對這個你們應該要去做然後就22縣市裡頭的專業的這個農產的部分要怎麼樣去選項來協助我覺得這個才是可長可久這第一個至於預算的部分我覺得就凍結一千萬書面報告要成立啦要成立"},{"start":7737.46,"end":7740.946,"text":"好,那個言之有理,我也支持鄧重傑請問。那個張其凱,張其凱之後吳立法,吳立法之後邱瑩瑩我們就要處理。"},{"start":7748.455,"end":7773.811,"text":"農業科技研究發展非常重要所以一定要很精準那我一共提了三筆兩個簡略一個凍結簡略我引用的都是監察院在今年8月30號公布的調查報告他裡面提到他的調查意見9裡面提到他說農業部疏於跟衛福部共同嚴厲進口雞蛋洗險作業的明確規範"},{"start":7775.697,"end":7801.909,"text":"沒有積極去做輔導業者進口雞蛋洗選或有效日期的計算方式所以導致去年我們吃到一些壞蛋買到一些壞蛋所以我覺得既然要做科技的研發為什麼連這個都做不好甚至連那個產地都出了問題沒辦法釐清所以我提了兩筆各三檢各檢列一千萬另外我們這個國內的農產品出口雖然從一百年的"},{"start":7805.472,"end":7823.81,"text":"40.8億美金有微幅一直在增長可是我發現很嚴重問題就是我們農產品的加工品由20%逐年遞減到去年僅剩到現在不到5%就包括農民很辛辛苦苦的這個產品的加工品急速在下降它影響首級是每逢國內只要是農產品"},{"start":7825.431,"end":7843.72,"text":"產量過剩政府協助他外銷的時候都只剩下是初級的農產品的直接出口沒有進行加工價值的提升導致初級農產品的保存期限太短外銷成果也非常有限甚至造成農民被迫他要虧損甚至以休耕"},{"start":7845.2,"end":7872.331,"text":"重光電等方式來減少它的損失。圖顯的農業部對這個產銷這個調節有一個嚴重的失當所以我建議在這個地方先凍結500萬的這個預算。這個張委員你那個針對08推動農業智慧化你看預算書是同一筆項目是都是4487你那重複檢列你乾脆就是一次檢列2000萬就好你分兩個案你再給他一個解決的"},{"start":7872.711,"end":7872.731,"text":"吳立華議員"},{"start":7901.288,"end":7917.862,"text":"好謝謝主席那我這邊是針對這一幕有那個第11案跟26案那我要說明的是說因為在農業科技方面其實我們原住民有很多"},{"start":7918.743,"end":7945.44,"text":"高山的農業或者傳統的作物其實是非常的急需保種或者是富裕可是在這一方面其實更需要農業科技的一個輔助提供這種科學解決的方案所以我個人其實在這方面一直覺得說沒有看到這樣的一個相關的支持的計畫所以特別就是提出一個預算的凍結"},{"start":7947.721,"end":7967.808,"text":"再來就是第26案的部分因為它是提到氣候變遷我個人也是覺得說因為現在碳有價的時代來臨之後原鄉的自然碳會其實它攸關著很多很多族人的一個權益所以在這個部分我們怎麼樣"},{"start":7969.689,"end":7979.737,"text":"續協助他發展然後尤其是人才的培育我也特別希望說能夠看到這一方面的專案規劃所以呢也是做出凍結"},{"start":7985.401,"end":8005.931,"text":"好,謝謝主席。我是不是能夠請農業部也來協助說明一下就是我們在這個農業科技的向下編列了這麼多的預算有沒有一些比較大的項目是你們現在可以對外說比如說我們在農業種植上面的這一些大數據的收集"},{"start":8007.251,"end":8027.772,"text":"現在大家都在講這個Big 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那有關於"},{"start":8329.66,"end":8344.896,"text":"那個張琦和張委員所提到的雞蛋的問題那相關的標示跟落實其實在那個時間點並沒有發生任何因為雞蛋的標示過急那標示的過分我想也不適合在現在再說但是最後的結果"},{"start":8345.696,"end":8372.69,"text":"是不會有問題的都已經移送法辦去處理的那大部分都是符合相關的規定那後續我們會來加強這個國內雞蛋的標示的部分未來我們不希望說再度的從國外進口的那個雞蛋我想我們會來努力好謝謝農業部說明我想我與眾心常常講每年省到這一幕關於農業科技研發預算長期都有換寡的問題換寡用白話文講就是不夠啦"},{"start":8377.873,"end":8393.419,"text":"農業部特別部長,你應該有責任,把你向下01到09每一個計畫,你都要把它擴充。所以經費希望你能夠多爭取多一點,因為這是用在農業、用在農民。所以當然大家參觀討論之後,"},{"start":8395.2,"end":8400.305,"text":"農業部的預算我們很少簡列,因為這是用在農業跟農民,大家都有共識。剛剛楊水平委員跟陳昌明委員也認為說速度凍結讓"},{"start":8411.596,"end":8433.677,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8434.277,"end":8439.18,"text":"農業科技研究發展那個業務費,那兩筆2000,各檢列1000萬要堅持,所以要檢列2000萬。然後有另外那個食品科技研發那一塊,凍結500萬。"},{"start":8458.769,"end":8471.116,"text":"那個,你是,不是啦,你,你動,你減劣是08向下餒,你知道我意思嗎?欸,張委員,你看你的提案,你減劣是08向下,這個,這一幕總用01到09,你是減劣08,08你又減了兩次,4487萬你減了2000萬,這行,我們回去要怎麼去推動農業置業化?"},{"start":8482.542,"end":8488.785,"text":"農業資源化我回去被這些農民這個我怎麼去對這些網路農民交代這個農業資源化我剛剛用的是監察院的調查報告4487你提兩案就提你減了2000萬欸"},{"start":8497.609,"end":8503.114,"text":"沒錯啊,就剪這兩千萬啊。 這頭就是監察院的調查報告啊,沒有錯啊。 那是未來要做的慷慨嘛。 沒有,是以前發生過的,要糾正,要糾正。 謝謝主席喔,我想齊該委員他會提出也是希望把事情做得更好啦齁,那因為你推動沒有錢你真的推動不了啦齁,所以"},{"start":8523.613,"end":8539.131,"text":"是不是就是在我們這個凍結的部分剛剛主席已經有講了嘛就凍結件外那我們就有科目就是你要凍這個部分就是在他因為他有特別提出這個部分嘛就是說這一個"},{"start":8539.972,"end":8540.272,"text":"陳昭明,請問一下。"},{"start":8565.922,"end":8575.208,"text":"我今天我跟部長特別拜託你們農業部出了很多雜誌像風鈴我自己買我一次就買三本"},{"start":8576.608,"end":8599.082,"text":"還有民間小道還有我們苗栗改良廠他們改良的東西還有農業改良廠的東西我都把它收集起來那這個收集起來第一個我們到哪個地方看到就曉得你們有談過這個東西或到國外去把台灣這種建法起來這邊有這樣我們又來製造加工"},{"start":8602.381,"end":8610.724,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":8623.608,"end":8646.142,"text":"等一下還有一個主題在,我會教你,我會跟你們講怎麼做。台灣人很聰明啊,你要給他發揮機會,雖然我們市場小。我舉一個例子,像紐西蘭的仙子,當初我在處理這件事情,你們主張一個做法,把腫瘤減少。啊咱們沒想辦法說,"},{"start":8648.144,"end":8671.495,"text":"紐西蘭的先祖他能做到那個經驗下來銷到臺灣臺灣怎麼不研究一套機器把這些先祖做出來跟紐西蘭一樣紐西蘭的工業沒有文化法臺灣人很聰明機械各種方式都有那你怎麼不去改進這個怎麼把種林賣掉殺掉我感覺這樣你的農業怎麼夠"},{"start":8674.11,"end":8699.152,"text":"我們在最堅持的環境裏面如何去把安眠宮去保守有掌握在你手中大家都會先知這個你要從這個機制裏面去改進嘛我相信台灣的農業有辦法克服這樣結果你們普末倒置把種農、把農業賣掉、減少飼料沒搞我在困難裏面跟紐西蘭來拼起來"},{"start":8700.526,"end":8701.867,"text":"我們自己都很了解啊。我們因為補貼什麼補貼都來了。"},{"start":8723.297,"end":8726.8,"text":"主席,我是不是可以再請教一下您剛剛講的那個是第一...整個幕齁,第一幕,對,農業科技發展。一千萬。先凍結一千萬。對。齁,那"},{"start":8751.687,"end":8770.999,"text":"嗯,你要不要就是我們就也給張委員一個面子啦,因為他很堅持要刪的話,如果是4487萬刪了2000萬的話就幾乎是沒了啦。是不是你就用他的這個提案,其中一案我們就這樣子凍結1000萬。就我們這整個這一幕的凍結1000萬的理由是用他的提案。凍在哪裡?"},{"start":8776.963,"end":8804.74,"text":"你還是用這個向下阿?你動在這個向下?對啊!對啊!好!動在這個向下!好!如果大家有公事就動在這個向下!沒有啦!謝謝邱委員!邱委員!你講完之後我就處理了齁?沒有!沒有!沒有!你講完我就要處理了啦!對對對!我只是堅持要檢列兩千萬!好!好!好!既然這個張委員那麼堅持阿!我想為了農業、為了農民阿!本席必須要考慮這個動用表決阿!"},{"start":8807.865,"end":8813.062,"text":"在立法院我在這14年經濟委員會很少動用表決幾乎印象中沒有"},{"start":8814.544,"end":8842.417,"text":"為了農民、為了農業所以這場各位委員引出的討論大家都有共識要凍結一千萬因為這個農業範圍已經換寡了因為在減劣的話我想我們沒有辦法提振農業也對農民對不起所以如果張委員執意堅持要減劣兩千萬那本席、不席"},{"start":8843.863,"end":8852.03,"text":"對,你給我,沒關係沒關係,我留下記錄。啊?表姐沒關係,我留下記錄就好,來。對,好,表姐,你叫表姐。沒有表哥沒辦法過啊,他堅持啊。"},{"start":8858.228,"end":8867.941,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":9010.247,"end":9038.142,"text":"好請大家就座經過兩分半有效率的這個協商哈這個大家已經有一個方向看到一個明燈這個大家都為了農業都為了農民來支持這筆預算但是希望說農業部能夠做得更好所以針對第一幕農業科技研發經費"},{"start":9040.812,"end":9066.431,"text":"十五億八千九百七十七萬五千元我們凍結兩千萬凍結兩千萬提出專案報告凍結兩千萬提出專案報告因為我們到十二點還有凍保法的協商所以我們要到十二點就要先休息因為凍保法要協商所以邱怡英委員主持中午我們休息"},{"start":9068.86,"end":9097.198,"text":"稍後休息到這個 我要去補掛一下要休息到什麼時候可能應該到2點啦大概因為你協商不曉得多久我們大概也讓同仁上他動保法都有公事啊這樣齁 好啦這樣 這樣差不多頂薄了好不好頂薄了齁 好啦等一下等一下"},{"start":9099.312,"end":9128.174,"text":"好,報告委員會我們現在這個繼續處理第二幕第二幕是一般行政的業務費那總共第二幕是有幾個提案呢28到37有張祺凱、李玉琳、張家俊幾乎都是張祺凱的還有張家俊這個部分先請農業部先做個說明"},{"start":9129.881,"end":9158.809,"text":"那個 包括 包括 那個 招委跟委員齁 那這一幕本身齁基本上都是農業部本身的一些類似產品 油煙醬豬茶之類的包括人事的費用齁 包括相關的油料的水電的部分的一個 相關的一個基本維持那這邊特別提到的那個 有一些是簡略特別費 那特別費是因為牽扯到我個人那我特別 我會尊重委員會的一個決議以上"},{"start":9162.25,"end":9171.815,"text":"好 這個大部分是凍結比較多了還有簡略的來 各位針對第二幕的部分來 張其凱"},{"start":9173.703,"end":9199.049,"text":"那個水電費為什麼要減類就是因為增加太多了那這樣我了解各個黨團到了整個在朝野協商政黨協商的時候這次這個水電費也是一個重點那我是建議我們在這邊就先做成一個減類238萬3千元這個標準就是回到今年的不要增加那麼多因為政府要講要省水省電嘛這是一個那剛剛講另外一個就是特別費"},{"start":9200.674,"end":9229.334,"text":"對,次長們都不要擔心次長都沒砍到沒錯這個是真的是針對部長跟我們之間的溝通包括我一直在講這個超市雞蛋的真相跟責任的追究還有這個公糧收購所以我這個地方我非常堅持就是在這個特別費方面要減列47萬7千塊錢這個就是部長的特別費那另外另外那個一般行政裡面一開始有所謂減列200萬這個最主要還是包括這次超市雞蛋裡面連一個連一個下訂單都是透過LINE"},{"start":9230.655,"end":9258.476,"text":"行政體系真的出了很大的問題那另外兩筆有兩筆跟法跟這個農業的法規有關係的農業的法規有關係的就是監察院很明顯講到這個禮約情形確認書包括後來連這個超時公司沒有登記那很明顯就是整個法規的這個體系裡面農業部的法規體系出了狀況所以我提了兩筆在這個法規管理管理跟訴訟費用裡面簡略各100萬就兩筆謝謝"},{"start":9263.162,"end":9283.797,"text":"來 邱議員我還是想要跟這個張委員說明一下因為您第一次到立法院可能大家不是很清楚過去立法院在審查預算的狀況基本上我們不太會去刪水電費因為這個是隨著電價調整去核實編列"},{"start":9288.34,"end":9293.383,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":9307.79,"end":9325.206,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及"},{"start":9326.747,"end":9326.827,"text":"李玲"},{"start":9355.762,"end":9377.507,"text":"好,我接下來是要求農業部要節約用電作為民眾的表率因為你的電費增加了238萬3千元增加的幅度很高,三分之一所以我們應該在這個能源政策的轉型當中你們也要配合政府的政令這個案子我可以改成組決議,謝謝好,李議員委員算是一樣改組決議"},{"start":9379.141,"end":9401.058,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農業特別收入基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農"},{"start":9402.694,"end":9420.887,"text":"是的,我雖然是主席,但是主席也要對預算發表一些意見。這個,我們當年都在這裡,水電費、特別費,一般來說,都是同山,在草野市上各部會一起處理的。這不很快,我如果,我印象中沒記錯的話,"},{"start":9423.063,"end":9435.947,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":9437.681,"end":9440.242,"text":"真的自己經濟委員會不做一個決定嗎?"},{"start":9440.242,"end":9452.27,"text":"什麼事情都要推到草野協商去?但是作為決定你們黨團以後在草野協商把它翻掉啦!那兩個都是過程,你們民進黨也可以在...不是,你通過的預算,然後你以後在草野協商把它推翻掉不是很奇怪嗎?"},{"start":9459.346,"end":9459.866,"text":"主席抱歉抱歉"},{"start":9487.168,"end":9512.859,"text":"如果照這樣講,那今天經濟委員會就不要討論這個項目啦。那本來我以為我們公平,我們就表達意見,沒有我不是要跟你吵架,我們是站在人民的角度,我們表達意見。我提出了,提出了減內238萬嘛,那我們就一起討論,你也可以提出要減多少或者不刪嘛,這大家可以一起討論齁。那另外,剛剛邱委員很多指教啦,我是覺得超市這個到底有多大?"},{"start":9514.346,"end":9536.904,"text":"然後監察院提的這個糾正的這個報告調查意見到底你有沒有尊重這個每個立委人看法不一樣可是我們都肩負的廣大選民的這個托付立法院連調查權都被大法官拿走了現在除了預算審查權我們怕幫人民勘捲荷包包括超市出那麼大的問題吃到壞蛋或是工人收購問題我們不能表達意見嗎"},{"start":9539.687,"end":9547.732,"text":"不能表達意見嗎?我們到底在立法院立法院到底是站在哪裡?我已經讓你講三次了,我都還沒講齁,其他委員都還沒講,我已經讓你講三次了,那個陳天坤委員,陳天坤委員之後換邱志偉委員"},{"start":9558.001,"end":9586.675,"text":"你先講中文。我先講中文。他有沒有唸錯名字。謝謝朝偉。其實我想我們都希望給委員充分表達那今天為什麼會想要去刪這個水電費我想可能我們這個農業部可能沒有去跟委員說明清楚我覺得這個部分因為水電費真的是他必要的支出刪了之後"},{"start":9588.147,"end":9614.752,"text":"維不萊了問題是錢繳不出來還是要繳啊不是說刪了之後就不用繳如果刪了不用繳的話那我們可以大刪特刪啦齁因為水電費這就是固定的支出啦齁水多少電多少我們都不能欠大家都不能欠主來的水啦齁所以這個是基本上為什麼我們當時候大家不會去選擇刪水電費的最主要的原因齁這個都是既定支出就是時報時銷齁實際的支出啦齁"},{"start":9617.873,"end":9619.335,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分"},{"start":9633.952,"end":9645.956,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單"},{"start":9663.121,"end":9672.373,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算的基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":9676.445,"end":9677.165,"text":"這個先輪到我發言齁"},{"start":9700.68,"end":9715.797,"text":"我具體建議啦,水電費是這樣子,剛剛陳銘、呃,廷飛講得有道理啦,不能斷水斷電。但是,凍結一百萬,齁,你們提出節水節電的精進作為啦,好不好。部長,凍結一百萬啦,齁。"},{"start":9717.048,"end":9742.803,"text":"最起碼讓你們知道這個水電得來不易所以要怎麼遵截使用這個你們提出這個書面報告這個凍結就是關於水電費不凍結一百萬那業務費的部分啦業務費的部分張委員是提案的減去兩百萬是不是這樣子業務費讓你們能夠更精進作為因為410萬的確是不多啦欸 同學是不是這樣啦"},{"start":9745.7,"end":9750.524,"text":"你減50萬啦,減50萬啦,看農業部能不能執行,減50萬啦。我會說特資費沒人在減特資費,過去我們處理沒人在減特資費,所以他說減業務費,業務費裡面那個書院那個"},{"start":9766.017,"end":9791.568,"text":"法規管理及溯源生意及五十萬：?跟委員報告,跟趙委報告,就是有關於剛才檢列那個溯源費的部分,因為它最主要是出息費那些,那如果檢列的話希望能夠科目自行調整。科目自行調整。來處理。好不好,如果檢列50萬科目自行調整。至少檢列100萬。至少檢列100萬,我還是要強調一下,我覺得廷輝講得有道理啦。"},{"start":9792.372,"end":9802.583,"text":"立法院本來就是監督行政部門嘛。做不會本來就是要檢討。今天不要出現人海戰術只是來護衛的放水的也不好。沒有人放水沒有人海戰術啊。不要那個農業部做不好的就要檢討。剛剛講"},{"start":9807.688,"end":9824.478,"text":"我剛講水電費的這個問題不要推到統三區每個部會增加都不一樣你像農業今年司法院我不是也凍結了嗎?蛤?我剛剛不是凍結了嗎?沒有啊沒有什麼凍結我剛剛一直在擠索有意見啊水電費我要求要回到今年這個水準啊減劣238萬啊為什麼節水跟節電這不好政府不是在講要節電節水嗎?"},{"start":9829.343,"end":9832.287,"text":"農業部的業務費包括水電費老實說我覺得農業部是一個要解決事情的部會"},{"start":9846.483,"end":9870.104,"text":"水電用較多除了說是浪費刻意的浪費不然的話水電多我覺得也是有必要的因為我覺得有太多農業的問題是需要解決需要多開點會來解決問題我再舉一個例子吼最近這個南部吼尤其是我們雲家的吼這個部長部長部長可以可以聽一下嗎部長可以聽一下我這個問題吼含含那個"},{"start":9873.507,"end":9882.174,"text":"我們租縣的選區也有關係,就是因為300億的價格我從7月的時候我就在說價格已經很低了"},{"start":9883.476,"end":9903.702,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農"},{"start":9904.682,"end":9925.46,"text":"出現在我們主席的選區彌得,彌得還是三百億,所以他的介紹就救掉,所以每年我在反映這個問題的時候,永遠對於嘉義跟雲林的虱目魚類,阿到北雲林、茄拔跟茄拔在台南,這些三百億都沒有改革。"},{"start":9926.241,"end":9950.352,"text":"所以我還是覺得農業部應該要好好坐下來開一個會說說台灣的這個產銷調節因為我看到張委員的都是在講產銷調節啊我們上次在處理基金的時候還把產銷調節的基金要大幅度的凍結或刪除但是這個產銷調節就是很重要啊你們在思考產銷調節的時候又沒有思考到地域的因素"},{"start":9951.032,"end":9953.974,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分："},{"start":9970.973,"end":9991.007,"text":"呃,我們看到齁,漁業署在處理虱目魚的時候,都在處理過,你都冬季在處理。冬季處理勒,事實上解決了主席那,我那沒解決到。齁,我覺得這個問題存在,所以我還是覺得,像這水電費,我們不要去打算,也不要去打,齁,你要動,動的部分再另外講。"},{"start":9991.627,"end":10002.446,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":10152.19,"end":10153.652,"text":"議員法定人數不足"},{"start":10166.505,"end":10169.828,"text":"我瞭然於胸啊!我瞭然於胸!牢記在海!你剛才是說他有架勢還是有架勢啊?"},{"start":10186.929,"end":10187.229,"text":"二、繼續審查"},{"start":10195.543,"end":10205.429,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分．非營業部分"},{"start":10222.247,"end":10226.997,"text":"第三目是38案到89案這個是農業管理就是重頭戲部本目裡面"},{"start":10234.418,"end":10258.778,"text":"三十八到八十九這個整個第三幕農業管理的預算是二十億二十億九千零八十萬八千八十九三十八案到八十九案那所有委員都有提案我看了一下所有委員都有提案是不是先請這個農委會農業部廣泛說明之後再請委員來詢問"},{"start":10260.279,"end":10270.127,"text":"農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分農業管理部分"},{"start":10276.172,"end":10291.117,"text":"那另外在國際農業的合作剛才委員也強調農業國際的合作的部分也在這裡去處理然後相關的農業的統計調查也在這裡那相關動物保護然後還有相那個資訊管理的應用都在這個科目裡面"},{"start":10292.077,"end":10293.198,"text":"陳婷妃、陳婷妃、有那個人說這個陽俊英。"},{"start":10322.585,"end":10334.974,"text":"參議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":10337.621,"end":10360.809,"text":"這個案子很多啦其實這個農業管理的部分其實它的範圍很廣那可是這範圍很廣每一個都很重要你像動物保護管理的部分那我們現在到底我們未來在整個所謂動物收容的部分現在其實浪浪問題很多"},{"start":10362.551,"end":10382.295,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":10382.295,"end":10399.394,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":10399.991,"end":10418.234,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":10418.474,"end":10445.412,"text":"這也是我們後續要去關注的所以其實這都是我們在這一次很重要大家都著重在這個農業管理的部分你看每個委員都提那麼多所以我是認為這個要凍結是不是把每一個細項把它寫得更清楚書面報告之後使得動之從我們我所提的部分然後去做書面報告然後使得動之"},{"start":10450.108,"end":10473.764,"text":"這個部分農業管理其實確實相當的重要那它牽涉到了非常多不管是從業務甚至於科技甚至於虛募或者是推廣、宣傳行銷等等我認為都很重要那當然裡面特別我會關注的是在於對國際上的宣傳行銷這個部分那我認為其實我們應該更把我們的農產品外銷到"},{"start":10474.464,"end":10492.518,"text":"其他的周邊的一些國家甚至於新南向的一些國家甚至日本等等幾個國家那我的建議是我們就凍結100萬那也希望農委會持續的朝這個方向精進我知道沒有在做但是我希望能夠提出書面報告把你們精進作為再提出來以上建議"},{"start":10493.319,"end":10503.147,"text":"這個部分本席第44案也就是業務費跟國外旅遊的部分1520萬3千本席是減列300萬這是第一項第二個就是第66案農業管理的國際農業諮商與合作"},{"start":10523.363,"end":10533.721,"text":"本席是簡略20%那重點我要說明我待會要聽農業部的說法因為我們有幾次很可憐"},{"start":10535.637,"end":10552.966,"text":"國外的休息時間跟我們不一樣,我們的花的球種啊,我如果那個時間,尤其過年時間,我如果沒有進口進來,那個時候過了我今年就沒有啊,就沒有收入也不能種了,因為天候問題。那我們經常會在"},{"start":10556.568,"end":10572.922,"text":"我們經常會在那個過年農曆年過年最可憐因為大家一次休息8天9天我們的農民空宿無門所以我們還要在農曆年的時候趕快要去找我們的海關也好我們的國務局也好找外管"},{"start":10574.264,"end":10585.493,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算的基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":10587.261,"end":10607.756,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":10607.836,"end":10624.027,"text":"要怎麼樣去加強,因為我們有進口的你們可以去盤點,有哪一些可以有進口,例如萊亞水,萊亞水以前也是叫韓國,日本調到這樣,結果我們自己啊,我們現在七成是我們自己,台灣的啊,最棒了啊。"},{"start":10625.087,"end":10642.116,"text":"當然國外也要進口一些但是至少我基礎是有的包括我們的這個香菇香菇的眷包我們現在新生農會合起來做也做得很好啊當然它的部分還是要有部分還是要進口所以針對於進口你們應該去盤點一下哪一些國家"},{"start":10643.377,"end":10652.905,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算的基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":10673.761,"end":10673.881,"text":"農業專技研發"},{"start":10693.101,"end":10715.481,"text":"最後那個字讓你部長去填去思考看看啦大家提供寶貴意見我很希望讓我們想一個名稱出來讓我們所努力所做的可以更精準更精進也讓除了我們做以外也要讓我們的農民我們的消費者知道我們的建物是真正有在研發"},{"start":10716.562,"end":10731.292,"text":"是真正有在協助農民的這樣我們才能夠跟世界接軌發揚光大 對不對那你如果這個team成立之後那你在行政院的預算理當沒有理由不給我們農業最重要的還有碳的問題欸"},{"start":10737.056,"end":10759.326,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":10763.1,"end":10789.446,"text":"好這個我要跟農業部建議齁因為這個是在於整個這個農業的一個管理那事實上我之前也有跟諸位反映過我們這個台灣的稻米的品種這幾年來齁我感覺也不是我感覺是很多農民說這個品種一直沒有研發出再新的品種所以很多農民他只落在兩個選擇一個是台南11號一個是台農85號然後一個可以繳公糧一個不可以繳公糧"},{"start":10793.007,"end":10795.772,"text":"阿一個是在拼量產阿一個另外是在"},{"start":10796.271,"end":10802.133,"text":"中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度"},{"start":10825.802,"end":10852.802,"text":"這個稻米一出來那個出來越久它的那個病蟲害它的抗病蟲害的那個指標就會逐年下降所以我覺得說農業部有必要在這一點再強化那我的建議我事實上是同剛剛賴瑞榮委員我們希望是凍結一百萬那請他針對我們幾個委員提出了議題提出一個書面報告後然後才動之好謝謝"},{"start":10861.303,"end":10890.458,"text":"下一位請那個 呃 張啟凱我們的高麗菜啊 十月還止爆就是 量產太多了 不曉得怎麼處理結果今天啦 高麗菜竟然說 大家在搶過我們那個產銷到底出了什麼問題源頭 根本 那個源頭的那個 那個整個產銷失調為什麼這麼嚴重呢前陣子還有整個 斑斑要食斑斑斑要吃食斑 然後斑斑喝鮮奶"},{"start":10891.778,"end":10920.094,"text":"顯然說出了一個問題所以我要求很明確要求在這個03的這個畜牧管理這一塊至少先凍結一千萬另外我繼續講超私我剛已經提了三個跟超私有關監察院的這個調查報告我現在繼續講第四個監察院說了禮約情形確認書裡面有一個很嚴重的事情廠商要多少錢自己填然後呢近來也沒有驗說"},{"start":10922.362,"end":10944.011,"text":"導致我們光是買超市的雞蛋至少損失人民的納稅錢是5億以上人民怨聲載道特別是農民說為什麼這不公平立法院又好好監督所以我明確的要求續牧師你要負責監督中央續產會你的監督職責到哪裡去了"},{"start":10948.447,"end":10955.624,"text":"所以我要求在畜牧師這一塊畜牧的這個管理有兩筆我提了兩個簡略一千萬就是簡略兩千萬謝謝"},{"start":10958.328,"end":10975.528,"text":"直到直到我希望這次的檢列不是只有錢的變少我期待農業部特別是畜牧師要做好對中央畜產會的監督管理不要再單位人民的納稅錢也不要再讓我們吃到壞蛋或吃到過期壞掉的這個農產品謝謝"},{"start":10981.998,"end":10988.079,"text":"好 謝謝主席我的案子是第48案48案也是提到提到我們這個整個對於產銷履歷驗證制度跟擴大這個參與的這個計畫跟加強我們農產品的這個管理計畫也就是說對於我們整個福島的這個宣傳媒體的這個宣傳費部分也是有增加到一千"},{"start":11008.044,"end":11037.262,"text":"一百零五萬六千元所以我們希望我們整個預算裡面可以把這個增加的部分這個理由啊詳細的說明白說清楚交給我們書面報告不要特別的這個對於特定的媒體去偏袒所以我這個部分也是先以凍結一百萬那另外另外一個案子我是第55個案子這就是有關我們的斑斑喝鮮奶這個部分那尤其現在我們是要幫助我們的糯農但是在產量不足的情況之下學校又沒有冷藏"},{"start":11037.842,"end":11038.042,"text":"疑慮中"},{"start":11068.548,"end":11083.419,"text":"關於農業管理的話我提了第38案、53案、54案、167案那我簡單的大概把它細數一下第一個我們在海關的檢疫啊"},{"start":11084.853,"end":11101.438,"text":"當然現在是虧重因為我們的豬肉為了要那個什麽,民人大概就要把它解凍了。但是我有看一個問題啊,他帶了月餅過來的時候想說中秋節到了,偶爾就到機場買一個月餅來送,"},{"start":11103.834,"end":11113.011,"text":"朋友,結果一打開裡面有肉,有肉你把它丟不丟手啊,把它划20萬,保證啊,我如果買這個月餅,我如果傻了,我裡面會被我綁肉。"},{"start":11116.306,"end":11144.123,"text":"所以我覺得這樣子而且顏色特別嚴重我講的顏色特別嚴重是怎樣中國大陸來了一個一個檢查歐美進來的話 pass pass 過去所以我就覺得很奇怪啊這一點有時候我們做人要有一個認證那我也去又不敢去關說只能拜託啊其實很無奈啊我是強調在哪裡月餅裡面我不知道是寶寶"},{"start":11145.967,"end":11153.89,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":11175.748,"end":11195.475,"text":"那今天的農業管理我再提幾個例子我碰到了我到花蓮部長我要帶你去他們在種的薑黃薑黃是紅色的叫做印度薑黃薑黃的在於那個萃取物裡面它的功效非常大"},{"start":11196.584,"end":11217.18,"text":"他是農用4萬7就是那個農電共生這樣種出來你要做高單價的這就是農業科技我再來講第二個我們茶葉改良廠有一個紫色的茶葉我不曉得品種好不好那個廠長在不在喔不在啊齁"},{"start":11220.905,"end":11249.492,"text":"你也送過來給我,常常三個會跑你一出來,沒有喝過到底。但是那個紫色,綠茶精裡面講茶葉什麼最好,就是紫色。它要備矮向陽。我看過原始的紫色的茶葉。那像這麼好的品種,我們為什麼不大量宣傳,把它推展出去。那剛剛我一直在講,能量物流很重要,能動技術很重要。"},{"start":11251.018,"end":11270.079,"text":"我看過有朋友把水果一切開冷凍下去去冰盤台灣水果品質好冰盤以後就你可以外銷出去所以在這個冷凍包括講的高麗菜你把它切一切放在裡面不然用現在有一種技術叫做"},{"start":11271.277,"end":11282.92,"text":"那個極速冷凍的、原汁原味都不會跑。我們的農業科技,這樣農民才不會辛苦。你去想這樣的東西,你去看人家怎麼做。"},{"start":11284.895,"end":11310.77,"text":"那個人我去看了他為了我現在跟你講幾個觀念他那個叫油乾油乾他用冷凍的技術結果出來的原味都一樣阿油乾裡面有很多有機的非常好那他做出來的豆腐我覺得是世界第一好吃的乾可以做乳酪我們討論要變啦不然明天天你看著天"},{"start":11312.816,"end":11329.335,"text":"那個天氣在做農業是沒有用的所以這台機你今天去農業管理啊一定兩鏈一輪兩鏈技術加工的技術真的要出來我們可以聊天可以去我帶你去看"},{"start":11331.319,"end":11357.477,"text":"這整個機制都在改變還有我剛剛講的養殖機制我本來要請你們說來做一個試驗把那個現在生計的機制加在裡面它等於是活化細胞把壞的細胞講我們的存活力大概可以95%但是要跟你官方來做的話要官方的認證比較準那這個機制一成功部長你聰明啊"},{"start":11358.337,"end":11382.123,"text":"你贏得了養殖界的諾貝爾獎我一直在強調一定要去改變你的農業管理及時加起來都在這個方基本的工夫弄好基本的機制弄好包括你凝凍的顏料你都要去研究出來起來我也吃過我為什麼今天講話我敢講這個那個蝦凝凍了兩年"},{"start":11387.588,"end":11415.84,"text":"他說他技術很好,都標示清純,兩段兩連打開的時候出來跟新鮮的完全一樣。保證你不相信,你來看,來我講。所以現在這技術很厲害啊,不要照傳統的觀念,一定要去改變啦。台灣的農業才有前途有希望,不用每天每天插來插去啦。希望你這一點真的能聽得進去啦。"},{"start":11418.512,"end":11425.884,"text":"現在我們很多化學藥都有抗藥性它是生機的都無毒的自然每一條魚每一隻條汁每一條雞"},{"start":11429.008,"end":11456.361,"text":"都完完整整長得非常好我們應該朝這個方向在進展不要顧不住我一直強調這一點農業科技的進步跟AI一樣一直在追一直在追求最好好不好那關於農業關於我很少刪農業部的預算刪下來你沒有講我的壞話到地方說你看他刪預算但是我跟部長講"},{"start":11457.711,"end":11485.874,"text":"有時候你們下去不要講國民黨擋預算我們所有的預算都是在農曆里前才過你們下去啊誰擋預算你不要擋預算陳昌明最負預算真的很不舒服沒有沒有沒有你不要踢執政黨編戶不要這麼欺度那麼小我們每次審預算都還沒開始就說擋預算你也不要亂說我說你最負預算啦我是最負你附行農業部的附行我很支持啦"},{"start":11486.587,"end":11501.47,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":11515.77,"end":11532.108,"text":"那是台茶25號目前正在賣那個沒有?那個要推廣我們都不知道指涉的產業是最好的所以我說我們很多農產品的推廣系統其實我覺得不到位啦所以才會讓今天很多委員提供一些建議我們來處理包括部長因為我讀律理的時候"},{"start":11533.67,"end":11553.602,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民"},{"start":11559.107,"end":11560.808,"text":"學富5G陳永生委員"},{"start":11577.52,"end":11605.964,"text":"好來謝謝主席這個農業管理項下本席本來是有提案的那這個陰錯陽差被改成了主決議不過我還是要請教一下這科技管理跟我前面在問的那一個我們所有的科技農業那個是有相關現在很多的農民會來反映就是我們現在看到你科技管理項下會有溯源的這件事情那席產地這個事情有沒有辦法處理"},{"start":11606.624,"end":11635.551,"text":"不論農產或漁產現在其實在坊間我們都會面臨到所謂的席產地蔬菜從中國進口但是轉了一圈到越南來變成是越南越南種植的蔬菜那漁產更不用講我看昨天還有一個新聞在講說我們現在吃到了很多野生烏魚其實是中國走私的漁獲所以你們在溯源這一塊到底能夠怎麼做的科技管理"},{"start":11636.251,"end":11646.096,"text":"要怎麼樣去做科技管理,這個可不可以請農業部也說明一下,謝謝。好,來,接著請張雅玲委員。張雅玲委員,這是張家俊。"},{"start":11649.261,"end":11675.575,"text":"好 我的提案是第76案那這個部分我主要想要針對就是遊蕩犬的一些那個餵食的管理因為我們這幾年呢我們發現了幾個比較重大的問題就是這7年來我們人類撞動物傷亡的人數是增加了56%整體交通死亡只有37%所以它是更高的所以有非常多的越來越多的人是因為撞到動物而受傷或死亡那同時呢"},{"start":11676.596,"end":11678.036,"text":"農業部有回應民間為野生動物而走的"},{"start":11694.721,"end":11695.181,"text":"議案第11屆第11屆議案第11屆"},{"start":11717.688,"end":11717.848,"text":"第77案"},{"start":11726.874,"end":11748.152,"text":"抱歉就是說因為還是回到剛剛講的造成人呃人員的傷亡跟死亡之前部長在之前質詢的時候他回覆我是說因為相關的求償需要透過法律的判決才能夠確定所以會來研議來納入相關的判決所以我這一幕這一案呢最主要也只是來延續之前部長的一個承諾要來進行研議"},{"start":11750.334,"end":11766.229,"text":"所以這個部分的話我也想要瞭解說我們現在做的到底可不可行因為之前段寶司長好像是來跟我們討論的時候是說可能沒有辦法謝謝亞林單位請農業部做莫答覆最後一位發言請張家俊張家俊之後我們就請農業部做莫答覆"},{"start":11766.937,"end":11778.039,"text":"好主席那針對這一幕我提的總共有46、49、53、57、62、63、69、73、78、85、80、83、89其實蠻多案子的待會也希望農業部好好的說明一下那主要我想要講的就是有關於其實畜牧在台灣是一個非常重要的產業"},{"start":11795.663,"end":11801.806,"text":"過去當然農業部有百億的基金來支持也希望說當然未來要繼續支持蓄產業的發展可是我們不希望只是一味的補助我希望也是能夠提供我們蓄木業一個新的方向現在很多"},{"start":11817.034,"end":11838.776,"text":"先進的國家甚至我們的鄰國在這個養殖業包括養豬養雞都是非常的科技化然後甚至他是像大樓一樣的他是由上往下這樣子非常的先進然後非常的乾淨他把這個畜牧業把農民哦畜牧的農民變成一個農企業"},{"start":11840.498,"end":11862.971,"text":"那我覺得這才是我們農業部應該要引領農民前往的方向而不是一直用舊有的方式或者是補助他舊有的方式應該要有誘因讓他可以前進然後可以進步然後讓我們的這個台灣的農民更有尊嚴更有光榮感而且能夠創造更大的產值"},{"start":11864.612,"end":11879.421,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基"},{"start":11885.805,"end":11894.555,"text":"那到底花了這麼多錢是去哪裡合作了?然後有沒有學一些新的東西?我想這一點可能農業部要努力,謝謝。好,謝謝。農業部總管導務之後我們來處理。"},{"start":11897.432,"end":11925.04,"text":"好 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那個農業部的代表要再說明嗎"},{"start":13737.072,"end":13737.833,"text":"主席跟各位委員"},{"start":13738.752,"end":13759.542,"text":"那我們針對上一次被保留的這個第19條跟21條我們說明一下那19的部分我們是針對這個金屬售甲是全面的禁用那另外呢也接受委員的建議納入原本的這個炸藥跟爆裂物的這個使用"},{"start":13760.362,"end":13775.285,"text":"那另外呢還有一個就是所謂的金屬套索我們是希望說金屬套索他還是有在食物上農民或者原住民族的獵人他會需要那但是我們也考量到說他"},{"start":13776.586,"end":13776.606,"text":"第21條19條19條"},{"start":13814.313,"end":13840.093,"text":"我跟大家再補充說明一下就是因為我們上次討論的時候大家對於售假的部分其實是有兩派不同的意見跟看法那我們有部分的委員認為應該要全面禁用金屬套索但是我們其實也考量到原住民族的這個傳統狩獵跟農民的防治受害其實某個程度上都還是有這一些"},{"start":13842.295,"end":13869.573,"text":"需求但是農業部現在在推廣改良式的改良式的售甲今天他們也特別改良式的金屬套索所以今天也特別把這個食品也帶來到現場讓各位委員能夠清楚的了解所以我想兼具兩者不同的這個立場是不是我們建議維持這個行政院原來的條文"},{"start":13871.094,"end":13874.738,"text":"內容請問各位委員可以接受嗎?"},{"start":13874.738,"end":13876.4,"text":"請問各位委員可以接受嗎?"},{"start":13889.78,"end":13914.478,"text":"好,接下來我們要討論第21條,那農業部還有建議的條文嗎?第二十一條的部分,算是經過委員大家的討論我們接受委員的意見就是有關於第一項的部分排除的部分第19條第一項,本來是第一款也排除但是我們現在認為第一項的那個炸藥跟其他的爆裂物"},{"start":13915.279,"end":13918.28,"text":"第21條以及第21條之一就是款次的調整文字上做一些調整請問大家有沒有意見"},{"start":13946.237,"end":13946.257,"text":"先討論21條"},{"start":13952.091,"end":13978.129,"text":"21條對阿21條之一是一樣的啦所以我們現在把那個炸藥把它列為禁止的項目之一所以他的那個條次款項是做一些調整啦就是說我們在緊急列補的需要的時候我們也不可以使用炸藥所以現在就會排除說不能第一款也不能用所以炸藥是全面禁用不管是緊急的狀況也不可以使用這是第21條的規定以上"},{"start":13982.652,"end":13984.073,"text":"農業部提供的建議條文修正通過好不好?"},{"start":14009.448,"end":14012.03,"text":"第二十一條第一項野生動物有下列情形之一者得予以獵殺或"},{"start":14027.677,"end":14041.883,"text":"得益略補或宰殺不受第17條第1項、第18條第1項及第19條第1項第2款至第6款規定之限制,但保育類野生動物除情況緊急外應先報請主管機關處理。"},{"start":14043.444,"end":14068.067,"text":"一、有危及公共安全或人類性命之餘。二、危害農林作物、家禽、家畜或水產養殖。三、傳播疾病或病蟲害。四、有妨害航空安全之餘。五、其他經主管機關核准之情形。保育類野生動物有危害農林作物、家禽、家畜或水產養殖。在緊急情況下未及報請。主管機關處理者德意。"},{"start":14069.4,"end":14080.775,"text":"主管機關和定致人道方式與獵捕或宰殺以防制危害宣讀完畢。好來請問各位委員第21條我們是不是就照"},{"start":14082.412,"end":14101.894,"text":"農業部建議的條文文字修正通過好嗎好謝謝來接下來我們看第21條之一那21條之一也是因為之前有第19條第一項的這個所列的方法所以我們也是就文字上去做一些調整我是不是請議事人員念一下"},{"start":14122.243,"end":14140.416,"text":"第21條之一,臺灣原住民族基於其傳統文化、既宜或非營利自用而有獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物之必要者,不受第17條第一項、第18條第一項及第19條第一項第二款至第二款規定之限制。 宣讀完畢。"},{"start":14145.873,"end":14146.654,"text":"第2項沒有唸到,來"},{"start":14151.431,"end":14179.576,"text":"第二項前項獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物之行為應經主管機關核准或被查其申請核准或被查之情形得獵捕、宰殺或利用保育類野生動物之必要情形申請程序應檢附文件獵捕方式獵捕動物之種類數量獵捕期間區域管理及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關會同中央原住民主管機關定之宣讀完畢"},{"start":14180.977,"end":14187.555,"text":"好來請問各位委員第21條之一我們的文字是不是照這樣修正通過吳立華委員"},{"start":14190.299,"end":14217.845,"text":"好 我也說明一下齁因為這一次的修法其實是為了回應司法院大法官對於獵人王光路案作出的釋字803號解釋所以呢在第21條之一就增列了院版也有增列就是非營利自用的要件納入了原住民的獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物的除罪化範圍"},{"start":14219.005,"end":14230.069,"text":"第13屆立法院第14屆立法院第15屆立法院第16屆立法院第17屆立法院第18屆立法院第19屆立法院第19屆立法院第20屆立法院第21屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院第22屆立法院"},{"start":14239.292,"end":14257.909,"text":"那也基於民間社會提倡的人道考量對於全面禁用售假本席後來是予以尊重但是既然大法官他做出解釋那我們的修法的內容也符合他的解釋意旨所以呢就是以這個行政法替代刑法的部分"},{"start":14258.59,"end":14285.648,"text":"我覺得這個條文的文字修正我不堅持可是我就是要確保在法令落實的操作過程就跟過去的獵槍一樣不會因為法條它創造的一個模糊的空間讓檢察官跟法官到時候會有不同的解釋所以呢我很堅持就是在第21條之一原住民只要是基於傳統文化既以或非營利自用而獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物不管"},{"start":14286.969,"end":14302.098,"text":"列具的類別或者是衍生動物類別都不要用刑罰處罰然後在第二項訂定原住民獵捕衍生動物所應遵循的辦法所以這個部分我一定要再次的強調 謝謝正天才委員這個21條現行的21條之一"},{"start":14312.521,"end":14332.821,"text":"有幾個部分第一個就是說這個過去只有現行的條文只有寫傳統文化還有記這兩個部分那因為原住民族基本法在94年2月5號公布施行之後這個因為一直沒有修雖然我們在第8屆第9屆"},{"start":14335.704,"end":14341.188,"text":"第10屆一直有提案,但是一直沒有通過,所以我在105年的時候就透過這個相關的解釋,"},{"start":14351.007,"end":14380.296,"text":"解釋已經106年就解釋包含了研究法的所謂的非營利自用所以這個部分事實上在106年之後都已經有以非營利自用就可以了這是第一個第二個現在因為過去之前也提到這個所有的案都要經過核准是不合理的"},{"start":14380.896,"end":14381.737,"text":"第2、文字統一性"},{"start":14408.652,"end":14413.306,"text":"如果我們看這個後面的條文包括包括其他的法律的條文"},{"start":14415.465,"end":14441.185,"text":"因為當初修正的時候沒有單獨因為是單獨接條之前的修正所以我建議就是說那個臺灣原住民族那個臺灣兩個字可以刪除我們後面的條文也只有寫原住民族了我們其他的法律條文也都是只有寫原住民族比如說原住民族基本法沒有寫臺灣原住民族基本法原住民族委員會也沒有寫臺灣原住民族"},{"start":14442.286,"end":14443.487,"text":"來,行政單位有什麼意見?"},{"start":14464.858,"end":14491.625,"text":"好,剛剛吳委員的這個提案我們其實已經在待會會討論到51條51之一處理了那鄭天才委員的這個建議呢我們就遵照辦理我們把台灣兩個字刪除好來,法務部有沒有意見51條之一就是只有寫原住民之一好"},{"start":14493.426,"end":14520.454,"text":"來那基於法律的一致性來第21條之一我們的這個臺灣兩個字把它刪除所以就是一樣都是寫原住民族等等好來那後面的這個修正的文字是不是就照原來的提案通過好嗎照那個農業部的對不起農業部的修正建議條文通過好謝謝來接下來我們"},{"start":14523.106,"end":14539.022,"text":"謝謝我們要討論第25條那因為這個第25條是由洪孟凱委員等提案進覆二讀那並沒有在委員會裡頭有過討論所以我們現在也把他放進來討論那個洪孟凱委員在現場是不是請洪委員謝謝感謝周委"},{"start":14540.363,"end":14560.553,"text":"這個部分雖然現行條文是已經有說要經中央主管機關同意但是過去到現在我們也看到就是說有輸入所謂的這個野生動物的時候輸入保育類野生動物跟相關製品的時候也有發生一些爭議那這樣爭議部分的情況下其實還是會造成說到底中央主管機關的這個"},{"start":14563.174,"end":14577.88,"text":"打關的部分夠不夠嚴謹以及充分所以說我才會在這邊是講是說他應該具有環境教育機構的資格並且經中央主管機關同意因為其主要在於是保育類野生動物"},{"start":14579.2,"end":14604.639,"text":"維護野生動物,它不是一般動物而已,是保育的野生動物。那再加上雖然說這個行政部門有講到是說是這一些機關可能會有所謂的這個學術交流等等的部分,但是就保育類野生動物是不是有那麼頻繁的需要做這樣的一個輸入輸出的一個狀況,我想這也是值得商榷。那所以是不是大家可以研究的或是說主管機關是能夠在我們相關"},{"start":14605.479,"end":14614.108,"text":"立法說明還是怎麼樣能夠有一些比較加緊嚴謹不要再讓過去有發生的一些弊端的一個狀況再發生好不好"},{"start":14616.218,"end":14638.241,"text":"請農業部說明跟委員報告一下就是說這次委員建議加了所謂環境教育機構的資格那就我們現在去查我們目前該等的這些那個大專院校的這些研究機構的部分大部分都沒有都不是屬於環境教育機構啦所以基本上如果要把它加上這樣的一個要件呢"},{"start":14638.641,"end":14638.761,"text":"以上。"},{"start":14669.563,"end":14670.244,"text":"陳婷菲委員"},{"start":14685.886,"end":14700.915,"text":"主席我可不可以稍微補充一下就是剛才洪委員所提到的那當然增加了那個環境教育資格會造成更多的一個制度的審查但是因為我們是要經中央主管機關同意嘛所以我們"},{"start":14702.356,"end":14729.197,"text":"在中央主管機關同意的這個過程也許在立法說明我們可以再做一些說明就是說我要去同意他的時候應該他具備什麼樣的一個資格條件可以在立法說明去說明說以後中央主管機關同意的時候是基於什麼樣的原則這樣的話就是在原條不改在我們在立法說明去做一些調整不然如果實務寫這些應據交易機構資格那就很明定的時候那就會造成一些困擾以上"},{"start":14731.94,"end":14746.673,"text":"好 主席部長剛剛講的部分也是因為我們都希望的是說要加強這個不要說有這個弊端的一個產生那保育類野生動物其實它輸入進出本來就已經有一定的一個嚴謹性"},{"start":14747.734,"end":14776.647,"text":"那所以說這樣子的一個那個文字的部分是不是能夠請同仁這邊給我稍微看一下那如果說讓我看過我覺得OK的話其實這一條我沒有那麼堅持好不好就依照現行條文但是你的這個文字要怎麼樣未來比較明確的嚴謹的一個這個中央主管機關審查的一個過程或說中央主管機關同意的一個方向你至少讓我知道可以嗎那你們這另外另外有一個"},{"start":14778.729,"end":14778.969,"text":"第51條之一"},{"start":14807.003,"end":14834.22,"text":"現在還有另外兩個由張祺凱委員跟本席的修正動議是不是張委員要先補充說明一下謝謝我看了行政院版跟我們很多委員的提案內容大致上大同小異啦我今天提到是增加說基於傳統文化基於或者是這個非營利的自用這個類譜宰殺或者非利用野生動物這違反一第二十條之一"},{"start":14835.421,"end":14860.123,"text":"第二項鎖定在辦法裡面的有關申請核准或被查的情形得獵捕、宰殺或利用保育類野生動物之必要的情形、獵捕方式、獵捕動物之種類、數量、獵捕期間、契約或管理之規定者依照下面來處罰。第一個是屬於保育類動物的處新台幣兩萬以上十萬以下"},{"start":14861.744,"end":14889.574,"text":"第二,屬一般野生動物的,處新台幣1000元以上、1萬元以下。裡面有一個很重要的條文就是第一次首次違反前項規定者不罰,然後因為失犯第一項跟第一款之行為者,處新台幣5000元以上、2萬元以下。那我看得起那很多委員的都是比較類似的,所以條文應該增一些不大。這是第一個,然後第二個是那個,抱歉剛剛高進都提了一個什麼修正動議,我是幫他墊還是送上去就好?"},{"start":14891.058,"end":14919.27,"text":"上內容都大同小異啦我看那個雅琳的還有那個吳立法他們的整個提案都差不多嘛這是可以讓我們議事人員看一下好不好因為現在突然送上來我們都還沒看到文字內容高經的不是我的案子本來就列在裡面啊來那個那個農業部你們有手上有嗎高經的是吧還是你說的是高高經的張祺凱委員的有嗎有啦我的有啊在裡面啊"},{"start":14922.496,"end":14927.819,"text":"所以現在不是高金委員是您用您的名字提案就對了?對啊我就跟你說這裡沒有張祺凱的案啊"},{"start":14940.151,"end":14967.454,"text":"你現在說明的是張吉凱的提案嗎?沒關係,我說的是我跟他一起連署的案,那高津的案子就送上來一起討論就好了,好不好?沒事?不是啦,你現在是高津有另外一個案,跟你有另外,你的案跟高津的案是兩個不同的案,還是高津是用你的名字去提案?是兩個案,是兩個案。你看嘛,他講的是兩個案啦,可是我現在手頭上只有一個案啊。用高津這個討論好了,好不好?好,OK。好來,那就用高津委員的提案討論齁。"},{"start":14971.728,"end":14973.029,"text":"這是一個重要的條文第51條之一第一個"},{"start":15001.955,"end":15029.146,"text":"這個我們看這個現在就是農業部所提的建議的條文跟現行的條文有很大的差別那我的第一個就是說那個第8款農業部建議的條文的那個第8款我是建議刪除了為什麼呢如果我們回到那個第"},{"start":15031.525,"end":15056.63,"text":"我把它講清楚就是使用第19條第一項第一款第7款或第8款那個第8款了如果我們看這個19條19條已經有變動那以現在的19條有變動這第一個有變動了第二個從第一款第19條的第一款第一款一定是"},{"start":15057.751,"end":15086.877,"text":"最嚴重的嘛對不對一直到後面第7款第8款其他有授權給你們的一定是比較輕微的很嚴重的都已經在第1款、第2款、第3款、第4款這是一個部分嘛所以我是建議那個第51條之一這邊所提到使用第19條第一項那個第8款可以刪除這是第一個第二個"},{"start":15088.971,"end":15112.363,"text":"第二個為什麼還是要首次違反者不罰是因為我們也做了不同的修正比如說售假大家過去已經使用售假習慣了因為原來的條文21條所有第19條的各款第一項各款"},{"start":15113.593,"end":15142.484,"text":"當初都可以啊原住民啊現行條文是這樣那你現在第19條也做了修正了過去我們是不能過去可以用售假有幾個例子那現在新的條文是不能了所以還是要先導還是要先導所以還是要有首次不法這是第二個部分要請希望農業部能夠接受"},{"start":15144.209,"end":15167.615,"text":"第三個部分你們現在把它針對了這個保育類保育類跟非保育類一般類這個屬保育類的部分當然大法官的那個803號解釋你們不能只看一部分還要看哪個部分呢"},{"start":15169.264,"end":15196.997,"text":"他這裡面有提到一句話除有特殊例外他前面食物上啊食物上獵捕野生動物你自己的那個說明二那邊食物上獵捕野生動物雖無法預知所獵捕到之野生動物是一般類還是保育類這是事實沒有錯對不對所以呢既然無法預知啊"},{"start":15198.483,"end":15223.966,"text":"既然是無法預支然後道法官的解釋文也提到除有特殊情形外所以我們考慮到這個部分如果你要去分保育類跟一般類的話我的建議就是第一款的部分屬保育類野生動物這個部分加兩個字"},{"start":15226.363,"end":15245.461,"text":"民資屬保育類野生動物加個民資就符合這個大法官的一個憲判的一個解釋所以這個部分是一個部分所以在這樣的一個情形之下當然這個"},{"start":15251.252,"end":15261.918,"text":"如果可以加明資的話就更符合因為這裡面本來就有寫除有特殊例外這用詞是大法官的一個用詞以上"},{"start":15268.114,"end":15288.588,"text":"吳麗華委員發言完之後我們請農業部回應謝謝主席在第51條之一剛才署長有講他是去處理如果原住民違反第21條之一第二項的這個鎖定的辦法的時候應該要受到行政法的一個條款"},{"start":15290.009,"end":15310.039,"text":"那但是如果這一次修正之後前面的其他條文如果有涉及到原住民獵捕野生動物的限制內容例如使用獸甲等等那我這邊是主張說都應該要在本條當中明確處理就是寫清楚以行政法處罰即可"},{"start":15310.839,"end":15334.299,"text":"所以在這樣的原則之下呢我的建議修正文字就把原住民族基於其傳統文化、記憶或非營利自用獵捕、宰殺或利用野生動物加上使用第19條第一項第一款第7款或第8款鎖定禁止之方式或違反第21條之一第二項"},{"start":15336.201,"end":15349.635,"text":"再加鎖定辦法中有關申請核准或被查之情形、得獵捕、宰殺或利用保育類野生動物之必要情形、獵捕方式、獵捕動物之種類、數量、"},{"start":15351.937,"end":15366.542,"text":"列補期間區域或管理之規定者一下列規定處罰就增定一屬保育類野生動物處新台幣兩萬元以上十萬元以下罰還,不適用第41條之規定。"},{"start":15368.123,"end":15396.84,"text":"然後二、屬一般類野生動物處新台幣一千元以上一萬元以下罰款增加不適用第49條第一項第二款之規定那因為這個條文從上個會期其實跟很多的委員還有我們的農業部溝通過很多次應該是沒有什麼問題那也在這邊很謝謝有這樣的共識那另外針對剛才的那個首次"},{"start":15397.82,"end":15399.421,"text":"我希望這個部分要注意。以上,謝謝。"},{"start":15428.261,"end":15428.281,"text":"農業部"},{"start":15457.797,"end":15477.77,"text":"跟各位委員報告一下對於首次違反者不罰因為這是現行條文在執行上以前都不會有問題為什麼因為首次不罰是指那個行為人要被處罰的那個人用這個人來看所以這個人他第一次違反這個規定才會被罰所以在認定上他不會有太大的困難"},{"start":15478.59,"end":15482.494,"text":"維園在講說要把第八管排除那我要先說明這一條的法則他是因應21條之一來的"},{"start":15496.888,"end":15516.016,"text":"二十一條之一要回到二十一條之一去看二十一條之一它只有排除第二款到第六款所以第一款、第七款、第八款這三款是沒有排除的所以它沒有排除所以你違反的話就要依五十一條之一"},{"start":15517.176,"end":15528.456,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":15531.164,"end":15558.221,"text":"因為21條之一他的義務條文是在21條之一所以原住民基於傳統文化記憶或非營利自用他獵捕宰殺動物是不可以使用經中央主管機關公告的方式公告禁止的方法所以他一旦違反了這一條的規定他的處罰就會回到51條之一就處刑證罰然後就不適用刑罰的規定那以上做個說明"},{"start":15560.654,"end":15585.312,"text":"好來簡單說就是說第50條之一其實是對應第21條之一我們是對應它所產生的罰則所以剛剛第21條之一我們已經那個文字修正通過所以第51條之一的這個罰則的部分對應上面我想是不是就比照前面第21條之一的那個罰則的部分那那個法務部可不可以補充說明一下剛剛的兩個"},{"start":15589.042,"end":15617.922,"text":"主席、各位委員大家好關於剛才幾位委員所提的一些疑問在這邊說明第一問題就是說關於首次的認定現行法本來在現行法裡面就已經有規定首次不罰的規定了所以這個在主管機關來講的話要認定首次應該不是太大的問題這個法已經施行一段時間了然後第二個就是"},{"start":15619.102,"end":15619.442,"text":"主管機關或檢察機關的舉證責任"},{"start":15641.869,"end":15669.42,"text":"就是說在未來在執法的過程當中要如何去舉證證明說他明明知道這個是一個保育類野生動物這個可能會有事實上的困難因為我們在捕獵的過程當中比方說他用陷阱的話我不可能預先知道我會捕獲什麼東西或者是他在很遠的距離用獵槍來瞄準那他也不一定能夠判斷說我要打的對象就是保育類"},{"start":15670.2,"end":15697.576,"text":"那也就是說加上明知的這個要件之後的話很可能就是說因為舉證上的困難以至於說這樣子的一個處罰規定很可能就會打不到怕會打不到主管機關所希望達到的政策目的所以加上明知這兩個字的話等於就是說在要件上非常的嚴格了將來在舉證上也就產生了會比較大的困難然後另外就是"},{"start":15698.786,"end":15699.846,"text":"來 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依改組決議"},{"start":18828.712,"end":18846.613,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":18848.366,"end":18867.82,"text":"主席他如果有修正文字要請他唸出來嘛我們也可以參考阿如果沒有溝通我就先保留不處理也要尊重提案文字所以沒有溝通就不處理吧對我就先保留齁你們這個照理說你們有時間提案出來你們又要怎麼修正要跟提案委員去溝通149先保留來14150軍造辦理長安通關151建議修正文字"},{"start":18877.253,"end":18894.246,"text":"有沒有跟陳立法院委員去溝通過?有沒有講?保留。152。152。那個委員同意修正文字這樣子。好,怎麼修正?怎麼修正?已經修正了。"},{"start":18896.316,"end":18925.111,"text":"這個各幕僚你們的幕僚作業有待加強喔152152齁在倒數第二行齁那個警察警察後面有寫一個或替代方案研議可行性這樣子加一個替代方案那委員以同意替代方案沒有就有替代方案啊你文字也有替代方案啊沒有他是在倒數第二行你在文字先修改文字先送上來的齁"},{"start":18926.943,"end":18935.216,"text":"跟楊詠英委員溝通過嗎?已經溝通過了。152案就照案通過。案修正通過。153?委員同意改組決議。遵照辦理。"},{"start":18938.342,"end":18940.503,"text":"153、154、155、156、157、158、159、161、161委員同意修正文字正委員同意嗎?正天堂委員?你怎麼修正?"},{"start":18970.137,"end":18985.215,"text":"這是倒數第三行原提案請農業部與教育部及勞動部研議原住民、農民、健康保險、被保險人與農俠時間擔任各級學校"},{"start":18988.837,"end":18993.582,"text":"足以教學資源人員得以實際到校授課日數參加勞工保險。"},{"start":19014.997,"end":19015.057,"text":"163、164、165、166、167、168、169新增兩個"},{"start":19038.063,"end":19038.383,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19038.383,"end":19039.083,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19039.083,"end":19040.204,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19040.204,"end":19040.764,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19040.764,"end":19041.704,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19041.704,"end":19042.385,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19042.385,"end":19042.845,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19042.845,"end":19043.285,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19043.285,"end":19044.205,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19044.205,"end":19045.846,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19045.846,"end":19046.166,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19046.166,"end":19046.486,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19046.486,"end":19047.627,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19047.627,"end":19048.887,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19048.887,"end":19049.508,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19049.508,"end":19050.728,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19050.728,"end":19051.128,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19051.128,"end":19053.649,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19053.649,"end":19054.25,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?"},{"start":19054.25,"end":19054.55,"text":"1691、1692,大家有沒有意見?1691、16"},{"start":19056.408,"end":19084.347,"text":"那個張家俊委員跟那個陳庭飛的124、149、150委員的這個主決議你們趕快去修正去跟委員溝通一下盡快我希望在這個在今天下午五點半之前好來回顧出來一到七的部分"},{"start":19086.752,"end":19111.285,"text":"一到七的部分各位在場委員是不是就按照往例來辦理的就是稍微協商的時候一定在院會院長主持的時候一定會有一個統三的標準我們是不是就先照列好 異目照列部分不處理完那個主決議保留的部分趕快去溝通我希望在五點半之前我能夠把這個處理掉來 第二個繼續"},{"start":19114.747,"end":19136.525,"text":"這個林業跟自然保育署來170170政府不在我們照列171賴薇姆在照列172到175林業管理的部分有賴瑞榮等委員提案172到175那個政委你要不要補充一下"},{"start":19145.25,"end":19157.493,"text":"那是不是照你的建議動200萬?好,同意。不是,你就是172到175啦,因為這個只有...就討論政天才委員的案啦,不在場的我們就不討論了啦。"},{"start":19159.977,"end":19175.073,"text":"好 那就175 照鄭天才委員提案 凍結200萬提出書面報告者的通知那個主席 對不起 我可以請一下那個林業署齁因為我們現在有很多那個動物阿其實它不是危害人類 它是危害農業阿"},{"start":19176.354,"end":19200.801,"text":"我們那個偏遠山區我想鄭委員應該也很清楚我們很多山區的農民他種的農作物人都還沒有吃已經全部被猴子踩光光吃光光那這一類防治猴害的這一些防治辦法我覺得可能還是我們還是要再想辦法過去說築個圍牆築個電網看起來已經都沒有什麼效益了我覺得可能"},{"start":19201.181,"end":19217.457,"text":"大家還是要及時廣益一下看怎麼樣去處理否則農民種的農作物永遠他們還沒有收成頭子都已經全部吃光了。 是這部分我們一直都在每年都有新增的這個補助的項目啦我們也會持續再進進有新的方法。"},{"start":19218.971,"end":19229.078,"text":"好,我們就處理176到201案,零頁發展的部分。176到201。來。在場委員有沒有意見?我的部分改組決議。我的1186改組決議。然後,我1981改組決議。呃,呂委,你要改組決議是嗎?"},{"start":19249.758,"end":19253.225,"text":"主席我的案子是180可不可以請他們說明一下好180請這個署長說明"},{"start":19256.411,"end":19282.059,"text":"好 這個跟委員報告埃及聖環看起來好像說我們那個績效不彰事實上是因為我們在前年的時候已經移除了九成的那個埃及聖環所以導致說去年那個能夠再移除的數量就很少事實上全台灣的埃及聖環現在已經不到50隻了那我們現在還在加緊要把這個最後50隻想辦法要這個移除掉"},{"start":19282.199,"end":19302.232,"text":"您們怎麼知道有50隻?最後剩下50隻?我們這個部分跟全台灣的兩會他們有在同步都會去進行調查。比如說今天他們有看到的會回報。那所以這個部分我們是相當...所以你要盡快,你們大概有什麼時間把它抓完?這個部分呢,因為剩下50隻它是最精銳的。那我們現在也還要再..."},{"start":19304.302,"end":19326.302,"text":"我們現在在想各種方式啦。你要跟經濟的做法,重點是不能停下來。你要經濟的做法提供出來。你不講這個經濟部隊,我還不要動靜。好,動靜。那這樣子,我改組決議,然後書面報告好不好。你改組決議。組決議,然後書面報告。那怕經濟部隊有點害怕。對啊,需要書面報告。經濟的書面報告。這個我們照列啦,那提出書面報告。好,謝謝。"},{"start":19333.191,"end":19354.457,"text":"李委員 這一幕還是要凍結了好 凍500萬好不好李委員 那個按照李育齡委員的提案啦齁 這個林業發展強勢經濟外來 外來入侵你要改主決是吧沒有 就書面報告凍結500萬好不好好啦 凍結500萬改書面報告啦齁 齁 500萬對對對 就是李育齡委員提案啦對啊"},{"start":19362.423,"end":19388.353,"text":"那就一直到201啊。整個墓啊,整個墓啊,是不是凍一千萬啊?按照理念整個墓啦,整個墓,整個墓啊。第200案啦,我200案是凍結三千欸。阿這樣子啊,整個墓凍結兩千萬啦齁,整個墓凍結兩千萬。"},{"start":19392.252,"end":19393.635,"text":"欸 整個兩千萬還蠻多的欸好啦 凍結兩千萬啦 齁兩千萬 那個就因為"},{"start":19402.5,"end":19425.359,"text":"謝謝主席我對於這個凍結的數字我沒有太大的意見但是我想這個林業發展的部分有幾個我還是要請這個林業署是不是能夠持續做滾動式檢討第一個是你們的保安林保安林是不是能夠有一些適度的解編的這個狀態可以去處理因為現在其實不管是全台灣很多"},{"start":19426.921,"end":19435.388,"text":"基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業特別收入基金及農業"},{"start":19445.077,"end":19465.539,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":19466.96,"end":19491.716,"text":"主席,我補充一下好不好,因為我那200案我剛剛沒有提一下,針對於保育類的動物,他們的計畫還沒有很完備,是不是這方面也提出書面報告?好,提出書面報告。好,第4幕的部分,動員2000萬,提出書面報告。各委員提出要求的書面報告,林業署一定要確實提供。提出書面報告使得動之。"},{"start":19492.898,"end":19510.999,"text":"好,繼續處理組決議。 202案。 呃,證照辦理。 專案通過203案。 呃,建議那個文字修正。 繼續,你念。好,然後倒數,最後一段的倒數1、2。 最後一段。"},{"start":19512.04,"end":19523.035,"text":"第二段的那個第二行那個綠葉溪有那個緊急處理對策然後針對造成生態破壞之外來入侵種如白鴨"},{"start":19525.947,"end":19551.487,"text":"百貨卻取、斑腿、樹丫等生物能代農業部、林業部及自然保育署,然後準備把它刪除,整治計畫改正、因應規劃。按照修正文字通過。你的修正文字要送上來。好。203案。203案。在哪邊?你修正文字趕快收。遵照辦理。好。這案通過。205案。遵照辦理。這案通過。203案。遵照辦理。這案通過。來。"},{"start":19554.744,"end":19578.392,"text":"接下來屬於農村發展及水土保守署,這水保署很重要喔。第三幕的部分,我的改成主決議,213改成主決議。那因為水保署對地方是太重要太重要了。我建議委員會是不是就預算照列。好來,那個李議員。"},{"start":19580.334,"end":19600.403,"text":"我的案身是209案我們看到我們應該很多的土石流跟山坡地我們的監督必須要加強以減少這個災害的發生那尤其在98年的第一期到預算的最後的已經辦到第5期特定的水保這個計畫跟那個廢紙的準則都沒有非常的明確"},{"start":19601.203,"end":19620.435,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":19620.435,"end":19639.565,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":19639.844,"end":19643.406,"text":"一千萬好不好?好,我們就按照第一議員的提案,212案,這個凍結一千萬,提出說明報告,捨得動之。"},{"start":19652.574,"end":19681.612,"text":"那個我對於你現在在講水保水保的部分對207到214好我現在這個這個案子齁其實跟水保跟林業屬有相關的就是其實是有聯動啦齁在六龜甲仙地區有非常多林斑地上面你們有做水保有做沉砂池可是呢最近的這幾年來因為地質的不穩定跟雨下太大齁你們上面的沉砂池都已經崩落"},{"start":19682.412,"end":19682.632,"text":"議員提供的議題是"},{"start":19711.867,"end":19739.735,"text":"那個地質已經非常已經非常的脆弱一天到晚只要有下雨就會有很嚴重的土石流那這個部分我可能是不是請部長也加強督促協助一下好嗎?我想謝謝委員這個我們會針對就是山坡地還有下雨的這個農村水保署的這個之間的整合兩邊要同步去檢視我們會重新來檢視對因為水保署說那個是屬於林班地是屬於林業署的所以他們不能去做那倒是這個土石流"},{"start":19740.695,"end":19742.616,"text":"二一五改成改列三三一之一 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這個這樣子好了啦我們凍結五百萬啦然後你要提詳細的書面說明書面報告好要經同意我們會同意之後再來解凍所以我們旅運委員也非常關心好不好這事關我們桃園的我們桃園的權益不能受損這個我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我"},{"start":19997.184,"end":20004.915,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非營業部分："},{"start":20009.164,"end":20009.404,"text":"花蓮區農業改良廠"},{"start":20027.507,"end":20047.734,"text":"這件事情而已我看不到你們在行銷推廣所謂的行銷推廣不是你去賣茶而是說你要如何鼓勵農民轉做這一些比如說你們現在在推台灣山茶嘛但是這一些行銷跟推廣教育推廣的這個部分我其實看不到"},{"start":20048.814,"end":20056.077,"text":"2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":20072.583,"end":20098.072,"text":"在少用藥這個適量施肥的狀態之下增加產量但是他的咖啡或者是他的茶葉種出來之後你們應該是還要有培育一組人是在負責做烘茶或者是烘咖啡或者是這些發酵等等把它後續的製作的那個部分跟種植的部分是不是能夠切開但是我目前沒有看到你們"},{"start":20098.852,"end":20115.041,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":20122.363,"end":20140.538,"text":"議員會議員會議"},{"start":20142.435,"end":20159.53,"text":"你可不可以介紹一下漁業署署長啊天天漁業署針對於代理署長王振芳現在署長明天才會到任因為我們最近高雄辦很多大海開吃但是我從來沒有看過署長出現所以我還沒出現還到任了沒有明天到任明天到任明天是誰啊"},{"start":20161.129,"end":20161.189,"text":"王茂誠"},{"start":20186.195,"end":20203.527,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":20212.458,"end":20236.473,"text":"那因為我們現在看到整個海洋的變化非常的大不管是近海還是遠洋那如果我們依照目前的作為要讓我們的這個海洋漁業資源合理利用跟管理如果依照目前會沒有辦法與時俱進因為觀光在我們台中港"},{"start":20237.577,"end":20265.393,"text":"全部外海全部都是綠能全部在那邊所以很多人質疑說我們的漁產是不是會減少現在沒有人有辦法給我們講答案所以我想聽聽說你們在這個漁業科技研究的這個部分你到底做了哪些那你因應目前整個西海線"},{"start":20267.35,"end":20280.479,"text":"的海洋生態都已經變化這麼大的一個情況之下那我們怎麼因應請做說明好我們這個邱委員那個發言之後我們一起說明邱委員"},{"start":20283.302,"end":20299.061,"text":"謝謝主席因為我想我們談到漁業署整體的大家都講漁業很重要但是我們現在只看得到你們對很多的漁業管理管理上面做得很徹底而且管制得非常嚴格任何有一點閃失都不行"},{"start":20299.702,"end":20314.152,"text":"包括很多現在在推動的所謂的漁電共生的這些設施啊如果遇到天災啦水災啦風災啦很多的這一些展延或者是網開一面大概你們的管理上面都說不行"},{"start":20314.972,"end":20333.82,"text":"但是今天早上那個蔡議委也特別提到你比如說對於虱目魚的價格對於漁產我剛提我之前也提到了這個所謂的洗產地或者是養殖漁業的價格崩跌的這個部分到目前為止其實我們沒有看到漁業署有太多的"},{"start":20335.094,"end":20350.674,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":20351.538,"end":20366.886,"text":"我來說明好了,就是漁業組的部分我覺得兩個事情必須去改進的。第一個就是說,就像委員說的,過去都是以管理為主,那我是希望是以服務的角度去做管理的作為。那這個部分,特別是像虱目魚,有一些產交失衡的時候,都是到"},{"start":20367.806,"end":20393.799,"text":"發生的後期才開始去處理那個速度都太慢所以我已經要求漁業署這邊針對每一年可能會會有產銷適合的那個季節有沒有不同的漁種不同的季節應該在這個之前就有一個完整的規劃這個部分我已經要由漁業署來來執行的這樣的一個部分那後續我想我們會來會更積極的進一步改進從從服務的角度去做管理那第二個部分就是剛才講的那些科技計畫的部分我也發現說整個漁業的"},{"start":20396.48,"end":20422.135,"text":"科技研究它相對於農糧的部分是比較弱的它只有一個漁業水事所在支撐但是水事所的研究也沒有有時候沒辦法match到我們的產業的部分那現在唯一的我們現在在積極的協調有一些像海洋大學其他的學校的部分能夠來加入這個團隊然後從海就是現在氣候暖化以後這些海面的這些魚的資源有沒有魚的這個漁場的部分已經在變動了"},{"start":20422.995,"end":20444.684,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":20445.325,"end":20461.269,"text":"愚業科技研發很重要,但是就讓你們能夠做好我支持楊瓊英文的提案,我們是不是用凍結?我們是第3幕都一起嗎?不不,1幕、第1幕、第1幕。現在是第幾幕?231到239。231到239,好。OK。"},{"start":20468.268,"end":20489.788,"text":"好 我們就是不是第一幕的部分我們凍結300萬提出疏通報告時的動之對不起主席我可不可以再問一個小問題就是說你們在科技管理的部分魚跟農的比例上面在預算的分配科技的這個區塊魚業跟農業的比重上是怎麼分有沒有一些比較"},{"start":20490.885,"end":20513.473,"text":"那個漁業的部分大概是……我們這樣講齁就是我們的科技預算大概50億然後其中有大概26億左右齁是由我們試驗單位我們所屬的試驗單位在用的那這26億裡面大部分是農糧的部分比較多那漁業的部分大概只有一億那後續後續我想我們會來逐步來做一個調整啦"},{"start":20516.194,"end":20531.607,"text":"因為漁業的部分在國會審查的時候經常被刪的幅度非常大啦那一部分可能自己的計畫寫得不夠好所以這個部分我將後續來加強因為漁業本身資源太少所以部長我現在這樣問了你們就會出一個很大的狀況你這個如果對養殖漁業包括自衛選區的這些養殖漁業的漁民就會"},{"start":20536.09,"end":20540.413,"text":"所以你這個嚴重失衡啊我稍微特別問這個問題就是說漁業的科技管理的部分"},{"start":20563.085,"end":20587.695,"text":"養魚也是需要一些技術嘛包括水溫包括各種所以我覺得這個比重上面可能還要再往上調一點然後你要讓漁民知道我們對他不只管理我們還有還有很大部分是協助好不好這個邱議員講得非常的道理換寡又換不均換寡你整個不管農業加上漁業才26億結果漁業的部分你只分配到1億"},{"start":20588.815,"end":20615.262,"text":"我拿這個如何去面對我江東富饒啊那你們這要好好的把它面對這個問題解決這個問題我希望現在明年度啊如果我還可以的話我再爭取預算審查的招委啊我一定要嚴格監督你們這個預算的幣要做大我希望最起碼你到達31的規模逾越的部分啊你就起碼要占"},{"start":20616.718,"end":20627.546,"text":"五分之一啦。五分之一啦。三百萬。閉幕作業三百萬。提出順便報告,使得動之。好。來,第三幕的部分,240到27。240到27。漁業管理的部分。"},{"start":20636.877,"end":20661.762,"text":"我覺得這個是不是我們就不要凍結了啦好不好我們就就支持啦來來來不好意思我我這個那個楊全英委員之後李議員本期的提案是245跟247黨之一樂剛剛我們也共同討論了也的確"},{"start":20663.294,"end":20690.947,"text":"我們西海岸的部分現在自己第一個政府的預算根本不成比例所以讓漁民真的也不知道要怎麼樣第二個就是說海洋的生態已經被我們整個形態都改變了那這個改變我總是認為說這個淡海就是我們漁民的那你幫我破壞掉你幫我改變之你怎麼協助我"},{"start":20693.473,"end":20708.252,"text":"海洋的溫度一直在提高。你們應該去研議到底這樣會影響多少我們的漁產。我們現在說內海3海里,要不要往外擴?不知道。這一些都是必須專家"},{"start":20710.898,"end":20728.855,"text":"專業的知識跟領域但是我們政府應該要告訴民眾啊我們還是維持五六十年前這個邏輯很奇怪這個政府應該要跟目前的現況去做調整部長你應該贊成嗎所以我具體建議"},{"start":20730.097,"end":20756.443,"text":"第一個,像我們台中,我們西海岸、岸、岸、岸這個新地開市、香山開市一直搞,搞到昏臨,那那個整個,都是那個,那個那個那個發電的嘛,對不對啊,外海部分啊,那你也看到那滾滾啊,那滾滾你聽,吼,那個聲音就大,那到底會不會影響到我們海洋資源,不知道。"},{"start":20757.779,"end":20783.031,"text":"告訴我們說不會但是大家都高度質疑所以我很希望這個我們的國家是沒有疑問的應該這些專業的你要去把他瞭解到底你要叫人家去養殖你的人權行動你是要怎麼做你要先把先把你的範圍去理清楚啊你根本連範圍都理不清楚你要怎麼做我高度質疑欸"},{"start":20784.492,"end":20785.093,"text":"對不對?"},{"start":20785.093,"end":20801.349,"text":"所以我具體建議,因為我本來是要檢列28、檢列28這個12億、4億,我希望要讓你們去精進啦所以我是這樣建議主席台喔,我們要有一個警惕嚇阻作用請你們去把它研擬出來,到底你的運動的應用在哪裡"},{"start":20802.33,"end":20815.425,"text":"你的農田水利的認定要不要去調整我們都不知道那你的養殖要這樣因為現在很多都在沿海啊往海水引進進來啊你看看這樣子會不會影響你引進來的會不會影響如果有影響我們要怎麼樣去提升我們的技能"},{"start":20820.71,"end":20845.879,"text":"這個都很重要啊 這個不是一個漁民他可以做的 是政府要做的所以這個部分呢我就建議啦 簡略100萬讓你們去盡盡安妮寶我剛剛所說的那個方案到底那個有應用到嗎 國有都沒有啦好不好 你們去告訴我們溫度有沒有影響海裡要不要調整 要怎麼樣協助我們引進海水要養殖的"},{"start":20846.639,"end":20873.954,"text":"不然農民、農民的肥皿都不知道要怎麼弄啊。你的人權你有什麼人權?你沒辦法跟我們合作,要什麼人權?好不好?以上就言。好,這個頗為中肯。這個,因為您是有漁港嘛齁?我知道。那個玉琳那邊有漁港,我那邊有漁港。兩位未來,還有那個邱英文,跟這個,你聽我講,他們未來可能當市長他們也要管漁港啊。"},{"start":20875.678,"end":20878.282,"text":"所以這個不是亞洲問題,我是覺得要照例要及時,因為100萬要及時,我是這麼認為的。"},{"start":20890.27,"end":20892.631,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分："},{"start":20910.199,"end":20931.956,"text":"我們都是希望我們的各縣市有漁港的都能夠更好就是因為更好才要請你們精進那尤其我要提的就是我們這個漁業的管理針對於近海、臨海的管理更加的重要不管是澎湖還是金門他們去捕撈的時候發生了一些漁業的糾紛你們就應該要站出來幫我們的漁民爭取權益"},{"start":20935.879,"end":20955.265,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":20956.166,"end":20982.623,"text":"中油的公司在那邊做一些工程讓他們的漁網被割破了讓他整個海底的一個生態都被改變因為海流的關係這影響他們的那個生計為什麼因為漁獲量一直減少不知道約束你們有沒有做這些統計漁獲量減少等於生計也減少對不對那你們要怎麼樣幫忙"},{"start":20984.656,"end":20990.331,"text":"因為他們的工程問題,你有去了解他們的苦嗎?那要怎麼做呢?"},{"start":20993.033,"end":21019.02,"text":"這個我們都有開會協調過你們有去追蹤、去了解、去做嗎?這個完全同意李議員委員我有感同身受那個威海計畫他在那邊施工支持國防計畫但是你不能損及漁民的權益你越屬要幫漁民爭取權益不能只聽國防部國防部當然國防建設我可以理解但是你漁民權益不能因為國防建設受到損害"},{"start":21020.218,"end":21042.859,"text":"這個漁業署要加強作為,特別是針對李玉玲委員還有紫光、Vito受到這個危害計畫影響的整個...所以他們的護漁計畫要做一個報告出來吧?好,那凍結五百萬,第三幕漁業管理凍結五百萬提出書面報告史的凍結。我都念到原本口子不清了。"},{"start":21045.228,"end":21068.934,"text":"主席,因為我剛剛有聽到您英明的說明,對,因為台中港是全世界十大港口之一,那我們現在都變形了啦,尤其在西碼頭那裡,它全部都是紅葉嘛,那一直在擴往外,所以我們的漁場一直在減少,所以我剛剛說的要請你們去研議的,你必須納入"},{"start":21070.294,"end":21095.006,"text":"在整個西海線當中你影響了多少的面積我們漁民很可憐投訴無門那你影響了多少面積那它的影響度是怎麼樣那你海岸線要怎麼樣去做調整我覺得我們的政府漁業署有責任要幫助我們的漁民要不然你說現在大家都都是綠能綠能綠能綠能就像英明的召集人說的"},{"start":21095.946,"end":21112.318,"text":"國防也好、綠能也好你必須要以漁民的權益這個是基本功啊你連基本功都沒有了那臺灣怎麼會幸福呢?好不好?你一直點頭你要幫我納入我現在台中港那裡投訴無門兩波雙"},{"start":21115.1,"end":21119.082,"text":"第四目也是漁業發展,主要是漁港的建設。我想這個部分,我們都有漁港,我那邊就有四個漁港。"},{"start":21136.531,"end":21147.024,"text":"所以是不是還有牽涉到養殖漁業振興計畫,所以我是不是肯定委員會能夠支持第四目約發展預算,是不是可以照列?"},{"start":21148.646,"end":21158.05,"text":"主席,我可以講話嗎?我感覺你是在發委員,是經濟委員會的職位,你應該是要討論這個內容。這不管藍綠白都有提案,你應該聽聽我們這裡的意見。對,這裡的主席建議,你都不聽我們的話,不叫我們講話,我們要走,你一定做結論,我們到底是要聽哪一套,不然最不好也要農業補償。現在給我們講一項,"},{"start":21177.577,"end":21199.012,"text":"台灣的漁港的設施落後多少?你這個預算還不足耶?我們全國第一座加熱漁市場就是我從美國引進回來在我們台中港然後開始高雄、基隆開始我很感動但是它會老啊所以我們一起一起在做所以我要呼籲部長"},{"start":21199.873,"end":21206.595,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事"},{"start":21229.062,"end":21239.47,"text":"因為真的我是覺得其實漁港喔加入漁港是可以一日遊兩日遊這樣子專案開這種開這種旅遊點是會非常好有的看有的吃有這個生態的了解這是非常好的他可以創造另外一個產值觀光產值啊對不對應該這個要啦"},{"start":21254.64,"end":21273.377,"text":"所以我身為第一個在台在整個全國第一座政府投資的加入於市場我也感動但是我們也是一直在精進啊對不對好我發言之後完之後再請求應委員這個彌圖與港要不是這筆預算啦權益支持齁過去"},{"start":21275.017,"end":21299.752,"text":"民土漁港相對沒有知名度也沒有很多的假日觀光客現在因為月數這筆預算全力支持分幾期做投入大概有一兩億、好幾千萬、一兩億變成全國魅力漁港第三名有在做人會感受所以這筆預算很重要我們大概聽楊委員這樣講我希望全國的漁港都能夠列入魅力漁港"},{"start":21301.013,"end":21305.962,"text":"與港也是,不管是我們生產的基地,也是我們的觀光的資源。"},{"start":21309.326,"end":21333.24,"text":"好 謝謝英明的主席的才事我想這個我非常同意楊瓊英委員在對於整個漁港建設計畫的支持那我們其實因為剛剛主席特別講到我們高雄的幾個大漁港包括前鎮漁港花費了81億重新去建造但是在去年遭受到國民黨委員大力的抨擊"},{"start":21334.181,"end":21336.683,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分："},{"start":21351.633,"end":21355.977,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．"},{"start":21368.29,"end":21383.39,"text":"這個楊瓊英委員把剛剛的這一段話帶回去給您黨團內部的同仁讓他們可以很清楚的知道我們都一直都在優化台灣的漁港設施不要這個我們的建設的時候就被拿來汙名化以上"},{"start":21385.756,"end":21386.017,"text":"郭文貴議員"},{"start":21401.022,"end":21412.09,"text":"如果有委員要說國民黨的黨員我請你指名你不能把所有大家污衊我們在經濟委員會全力的支持農業產我們所有的這個農業部為什麼要一句話那我們三個是要退席嗎要不要道歉你誤會我的意思的我怎麼誤會"},{"start":21423.779,"end":21424.439,"text":"我哪有講啊?"},{"start":21453.069,"end":21454.669,"text":"我是說你們其他的成員吶!"},{"start":21476.707,"end":21485.172,"text":"你要給我抱歉我是國民黨員你也是國民黨員他也是國民黨員你剛剛沒有講這個話你怎麼可以這樣子我今天經濟委員會全力支持你可以隨便國民黨員怎樣81億我台中港有那麼多嗎我也要給部長講那邊81億我81億就好了啦"},{"start":21499.696,"end":21500.436,"text":"花園、台東都沒有啊,一塊錢都沒有啊。"},{"start":21546.923,"end":21566.099,"text":"已經講了主席容許我剛剛先發言我講了那麼多你們都很贊許我贊許完才說國民黨員怎樣不可以這樣子大家互相尊重第一個全政那裡八十一大家公平我們台中港八十一就好了八點二十一全力支持大家深呼吸做做抄頭轉一轉"},{"start":21578.127,"end":21588.41,"text":"頭轉一轉,頭轉一轉,頭轉一轉,深呼吸,其實這個要是是我不好,沒有把會議主持得很順遂,"},{"start":21603.505,"end":21607.253,"text":"我跟大家致歉這個我主持的會議還不夠還不夠賢俗啊"},{"start":21610.779,"end":21622.206,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":21635.973,"end":21655.017,"text":"國民黨王宏威是國民黨,你剛剛發言常常在講王宏威,可是你是休息之後才講,所以我要求農業部,對於楊瓊儀,我講的是王宏威,不是楊瓊儀。我再講一次,我講的是王宏威,不是楊瓊儀。給人家噁落。"},{"start":21659.418,"end":21677.983,"text":"才在誣衊人家國民黨員!還要我回去跟國民黨員講!我再度之前因為我這個主持會議啊這個賢俗度不夠我道歉我主持會議賢俗度不夠我這個回去好好惡補一下哈"},{"start":21678.843,"end":21679.083,"text":"第4幕"},{"start":21708.901,"end":21709.264,"text":"第4部"},{"start":21716.857,"end":21727.986,"text":"那個預算有沒有意見那個安平漁港的部分你們現在安平漁港到底你們整個規劃的部分然後我們到底有什麼樣的願景拜託再給我們一下你們現在預計的一個規劃方向"},{"start":21739.997,"end":21740.017,"text":"主決議2555"},{"start":21762.892,"end":21772.104,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案．一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":21781.723,"end":21802.601,"text":"二六零我們是建請修正文字只是加一個支持高雄市政府好暫照修正文字通過修正文字也要送上來二六一每兩個月改成每季按照修正通過繼續處理動植物防疫檢疫所"},{"start":21805.779,"end":21823.428,"text":"動物職業防疫捷運所是全部集中在第三幕。第三幕的部分從262萬到275萬我們一起處理。提案委員有沒有補充?楊卓銘委員跟下一位李一林委員。"},{"start":21824.665,"end":21842.662,"text":"謝謝主席。楊卿發言本席所提案的是273凍結10%那這個5億多為什麼本席會提議凍結因為現在我們民間有一些困難國外它都是指令金面它有所依據"},{"start":21843.743,"end":21869.301,"text":"但是我們現在就是說很多人因為他工作性質那在整個廣告上面他或許沒有看到沒有注意到所以上次本席在委員會質詢的時候也跟你討論這個議題因為你如果說你沒有去結紮馬上一張單子來就是罰3萬起跳那我們現在服務處接到很多的案件上一次本席也跟你討論過那你們是不是要去廣為宣導"},{"start":21870.742,"end":21887.534,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":21887.534,"end":21907.142,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":21907.222,"end":21917.745,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":21937.21,"end":21958.828,"text":"如果說你們在有電話的因為現在有的個資那你的百分比就是一、二、三、四那還是多數的人還是有疑慮當然你們說我會公佈啊可是很多政府的公佈民眾他因為他的生活所需工作所需他不會看到跟我們早上講的那個現金救助一樣"},{"start":21960.088,"end":21975.853,"text":"所以這個方案到目前為止你們沒有告訴我們什麼樣的方案去解決你不要看那個3萬塊喔很多人來到服務處說我就很愛我這隻腳的啊但是我就是江州啊所以我沒有去啊收到馬上來就是一定罰3萬這有什麼辦法"},{"start":21978.334,"end":21978.874,"text":"現在為請李玉玲委員"},{"start":22005.731,"end":22007.839,"text":"好 謝謝主席 我的提案265案"},{"start":22013.197,"end":22027.607,"text":"265萬是針對於我們紅火蟻的這個案例到現在一直都還沒有全面的一個防疫的這個計畫尤其是像我們桃園將近面積有43,251公頃都超過了其他的縣市的總和所以我們希望它針對於這個病蟲害的這個監測跟風險評估可以做一個書面報告"},{"start":22039.482,"end":22056.028,"text":"還有270案的話就是因為像我們的鳳梨出口到韓國被撿出來這個橡皮蟲這個昆蟲的情形這個就影響了我們的國際形象我們希望這個檢疫署這邊可以做一些精進的一些檢測給我書面報告"},{"start":22058.909,"end":22074.827,"text":"還有271案的話那就是動植物的防疫這個部分我們希望很多的不管是我們國人出國去之後帶回來的一些植物或者其他種子這個部分要主動的來申報檢疫以免在"},{"start":22075.828,"end":22089.428,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":22090.435,"end":22108.443,"text":"好那主席的部分268、269改成這個主決議那我是贊同李玉玲委員的說法那整個動資與防疫檢疫署第三幕的部分是不是總統就凍結500萬李委員凍結500萬提出書面報告那個這個"},{"start":22119.684,"end":22140.265,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":22145.009,"end":22146.892,"text":"除了紅火以外,你們現在所有相關對於我們農村在種植的這樣的一個所謂"},{"start":22163.633,"end":22166.975,"text":"事由你們然後給地方然後地方去做主導是,包括委員我們我們這一個經費"},{"start":22179.183,"end":22201.524,"text":"是整個房檢署的經費包括動物防疫、動物檢疫、植物防疫、植物檢疫還有肉品所以房檢署是以疾病為出發點比如說禽流感發生那我們在平常的時候我們就會建置有消毒水的跟地方去做儲備萬一有發生的時候會拿出來做應用就是整個整體防疫的經費在這個裡面"},{"start":22202.745,"end":22218.591,"text":"對阿那你整理防疫的經費你們是給地方還是你們自己在做處理還是地方有需要給你們那請問KPI你們要怎麼去定是有沒有達到你們預期的效果你怎麼會知道是"},{"start":22218.891,"end":22245.577,"text":"大家記得很好寫,寫下來給你們的資料,它是不是有實質達到他們預期的效果,有沒有真正幫助到第一線的農民,這個是我們需要了解的啊,否則你編了那麼多,雖然這個兩億一千多萬對於你們農業部來講不是很大的錢,可是如果依照在這樣的一個動植物防疫的部分,"},{"start":22246.803,"end":22255.226,"text":"他是獎勵耶,他是獎補助費,所以等於是獎補助費給各縣市政府,對不對?是這樣嗎?"},{"start":22255.226,"end":22271.971,"text":"是。報告委員,這整體的業務費用,譬如說我們計劃執行的剛開始年度的時候就會把經費給地方大家一起來執行,包括動物跟植物。那萬一地方發生疫情的時候,那我們也會再額外的去協助他共同來面對這個疫情。"},{"start":22272.691,"end":22292.878,"text":"所以你這一筆錢是...我來說明好了齁,因為委員實際上我關心的就是說我們很多中央政府的政策是透過地方政府在執行的但是地方政府有時候地方政府不同的地方政府可能他的計畫寫得很好可是他的執行力並不好那怎麼樣有一個有效的管理機制啦我相信委員是關心這個部分現在變成是這樣啊"},{"start":22294.438,"end":22319.621,"text":"所以我想我後面就是說我們等於是邊經費給地方用 對好 那地方誰在控管因為我知道你們是一開始然後就把錢依照他們的防疫章就分下去了好 分下去之後呢誰在控管這個KPI他到底有沒有依照他們預期要給予防疫的部分防治的部分有達到效果我想這樣子 這才是最重要啊 對"},{"start":22320.442,"end":22339.543,"text":"我非常了解委員的一個關心就是說地方政府他執行的這個進度是由我們房間組怎麼樣去控管那如果做不好的時候我們有沒有什麼樣的一個機制去讓他們提升那這個部分我想之前委員曾經提過我也跟早房間組講過就是說我們中央跟地方合作的過程中"},{"start":22340.103,"end":22366.435,"text":"那對於地方的執行效率要有一個整體的一個控管的一個機制那對於比較執行率比較差的部分要去主動的去了解然後針對真的不好的話第二年的經費可能要做一些調整大概會用這樣的方式來處理那你像現在大家最談論最多的綠列C呢綠列C的部分我跟委員報告綠列C過去都是各政府各縣市政府自己做"},{"start":22368.473,"end":22373.454,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．"},{"start":22386.138,"end":22402.374,"text":"也有一些情形,他抓了以後再回過頭再來領,所以我現在變成一個硬面小組,有捕捉的、有監測的、有後面的去化的部分,我把它結合在一起,這樣的話共同房市、各縣市同時共同房市才有它的效果。"},{"start":22402.734,"end":22404.315,"text":"同步同步同步同步同步同步同步"},{"start":22423.941,"end":22447.063,"text":"對,應該是明天,對,他們已經開會,明天是他們會來跟我報告,那之前整個要應變角度。部長我提醒你,現在對於歷列系的部分,大家有很多不同的看法,就是說因為知道你們要訂一個中央處理的原則,所以這個原則你應該請更多在地方學者、專家或是在第一線的人,"},{"start":22448.154,"end":22460.399,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":22472.571,"end":22472.591,"text":"〔記者〕"},{"start":22493.064,"end":22510.12,"text":"應該在第一線綠葉溪有很多已經算是有在做這樣的一個處理那是不是能夠邀請他們把這些資訊做得更好然後能夠訂定更完整的辦法然後解除大家現在對綠葉溪的一個疑慮"},{"start":22510.7,"end":22537.45,"text":"好,謝謝委員。您剛才講的這個東西其實在上兩個禮拜都已經召開了縣市政府還有專家各地方的這些經驗所以他們已經擬定了一個就是根據我剛才的概念就是用共同防治的緊急應變小組那這個小組成立了以後會採用各縣市共同防治的概念從監測、從抓捕到後面的這些抓住以後的一個去化都會有一套完整的SOP去處理"},{"start":22538.61,"end":22546.995,"text":"對,因為你現在在訂齁,這個小細節要注意得非常清楚。好,謝謝聖地委員。接下來請邱毅英委員。聖地委員之後我們來處理。"},{"start":22548.426,"end":22567.145,"text":"好 謝謝主席我簡單兩個問題齁剛剛部長您講到會成立這個所謂的緊急小組齁抓捕這件事情誰去抓這個你跟各地縣市政府是農業局還是他們會結合消防局到底誰去抓流浪狗也要抓濾烈溪也要抓"},{"start":22568.466,"end":22590.934,"text":"候子也要抓很多東西都要抓那你的所謂的這個緊急應變小組到底是誰去抓這個我覺得這個可能還是需要再討論啊你現在講大概看起來很簡單但是實際執行上面就會遇到問題人力的不足跟對於這些動物或者是這些植物的這些認知上面我想這個都還需要很多專業的訓練這是第一點"},{"start":22592.575,"end":22599.745,"text":"第二點動植物的防疫齁比如說我們過去在講荔枝春象以前也是講請大家去抓荔枝春象一隻一塊錢"},{"start":22601.621,"end":22626.449,"text":"那荔枝村巷接下來的防治要怎麼做?貧富小豐到底有沒有效?會不會持續推廣?這件事情我們也還沒有看到防檢局這邊的報告再來琉璃椅這也是一個大問題所以過去只要中秋過後這一段時間大概從南投一路就到六龜這個琉璃椅的問題今年是因為颱風雨水多所以到目前為止琉璃椅沒看到"},{"start":22627.109,"end":22656.253,"text":"但是整個這一些昆蟲阿等等的這一些防治工作我想你們還是要有一些系統性的規劃來做這些防治啦好謝謝委員我想我們後續規劃完了以後我們也會提供給委員齁包括委員關心的這些到底誰抓絕對不會是由消防隊那邊來抓我們會有專業的小組那個人的話也要經過訓練不是任何人都去都隨便就可以抓這個部分我想詳細的部分會再提供給委員這是楊委員剛剛提問你還沒有回答楊委員楊委員的是"},{"start":22658.764,"end":22677.956,"text":"動保動保的部分就是有關於寵物登記的部分跟委員報告上次委員關心之後我們回去有請各地方政府盤點目前的做法剛剛有提到的部分大概我們會有簡訊通知跟明信片通知的一個方式來處理事務上現在會遇到的問題就是我們所掌握的資料庫的部分因為"},{"start":22678.556,"end":22678.936,"text":"我再補充一下好不好"},{"start":22703.223,"end":22730.817,"text":"那我還是要建議齁,因為雖然你看,你雖然看到那3萬喔但是對北市來說,它是應用很大,因為我們反省我們自己行政部門第一個,簡訊,它達不到一成第二個,明信片,投到哪裡去沒人知道你們投出去部長,你投出去明信片啊,一般信啊它整個不知道在哪裡,不知道第二個,你還要叫它間接性的再去登記"},{"start":22732.014,"end":22750.328,"text":"民眾我相信沒有幾個知道所以我非常的希望因為最後末端人家收到你沒有來我就是直接就傻滿口的來這個對不起民眾啦因為我們在整個過程當中不管是明信片或者你自己也說了轉介轉燈的部分他達不到啦"},{"start":22751.729,"end":22757.792,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":22767.978,"end":22785.08,"text":"我們要怎麼辦?你至少你要怎麼公告?你透過倫理啊,去公告?還是用什麼樣的方式?你自己拿出來就說,你樣本不跟兩聲,不關財政院道、財政在道啊。我跟委員報告齁,第一個就是說,我們會加強宣導,第二個就是說,"},{"start":22786.081,"end":22809.463,"text":"如果他收到然後不來的時候才去處罰才有意義如果說像我們寄明信片他不一定收到嘛那不一定收到的話你不能說不收到只要我寄的就要罰啦我覺得這個可能會有改善沒有你現在就是給人家罰所以我才會有這麼大意見所以我說我們會來檢討我現在住宅已經不是在A地可是你還是寄到A地A地根本就沒人啊他說你沒來啊所以我就給你罰所以像這個部分我想我們內部會檢討就是說"},{"start":22811.184,"end":22830.198,"text":"我沒有收到然後哪一天被罰的我覺得不公平啊因為我不瞭解所以我如果敘述說我的確沒有收到那你們應該要把那一張不要罰對不對這是我們沒有真的的確沒有啊你這嚴厲的方式啦不要再給我問這個問題好不好因為這樣不好啊這個趕快去嚴厲的一個解決方案好我剛剛已經處理過了第三目的部分是凍結500萬提出署名包括使得凍資來主決276部分"},{"start":22841.638,"end":22844.639,"text":"277278279280281專案報告改書面報告282專案報告改書面報告"},{"start":22869.915,"end":22881.012,"text":"二、八、三、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、遵照辦理。關於通過二、八、四、"},{"start":22886.161,"end":22914.61,"text":"來 李委員主席 這個他們有來跟我說明過了所以我的285、288、291、292都改成主決議然後給我書面報告李委員285、288跟291、292嘛好 事案改為主決議要給李委員報告那我的部分286我也改成主決議那剩下各位委員如果沒有特別意願是不是好 來 楊全英委員"},{"start":22916.181,"end":22932.486,"text":"謝謝主席。楊卿瑩發言。針對於我們部長,我想要請你喔,要加把勁。因為我們這個農業,我們從原先的農會信用部,其實早期的信用部他為我們分擔解憂很多。"},{"start":22933.246,"end":22937.569,"text":"除非營業部分：農民退休基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":22952.299,"end":22968,"text":"當時大概在20年前大概我們算起來將近有800多億所以這個事情就無疾而終農信任部持續那因為現在你如果沒有卡也不可能所以我們現在也讓農會的這個部分信任部也有卡"},{"start":22968.621,"end":22986.51,"text":"但是有一個點也就是我們跟銀行我們受限很多你的檢查是用經檢的標準是用銀行的標準但是你的權利並沒有現在農會很辛苦農會我也要賣離子我也要賣油我也要賣什麼不過一不夠"},{"start":22987.551,"end":23009.224,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":23009.744,"end":23034.961,"text":"我們的信用部可能只有賣幾項的商品啊。他當然經營很困難。當然我們農會信用部要真的感謝他們。他們還是願意就像我早上說的信心就是你可以配合農會,他都知道他的人在哪裡啊。這樣大家都可以知道訊息啊。可是人家給你做苦工,但我不要求說比較多。但是你這個金融的這個部分,你的商品,"},{"start":23035.501,"end":23058.269,"text":"可以怎麼樣去擴大一點我覺得這個是你們要做的功課而不是我檢查這麼嚴格人家50種我不五行我是要怎麼跟人家比是不是這一點你們是不是去研討跟跟經檢單位看怎麼樣對不對不然你都沒錢啊你三期都沒錢你是要那怎麼推廣我這個可以先請那個署長講一下"},{"start":23059.409,"end":23077.807,"text":"是,跟委員報告,那農業衛生部的金融檢查其實我們不是用一般銀行的標準我這邊我每一年農金屬都會跟金管會的檢察局來會商次年度的檢查重點像下個禮拜我們就要談了所以基本上我們是有考量到農業金融的特殊性不是用一般金融的角度來看那第二點這幾年來"},{"start":23079.288,"end":23097.074,"text":"這幾年來其實我們也爭取的開放了很多讓農業會信用部可以承受的業務所以委員您可以看到這幾年來農業會信用部不管在存款放款規模都增加獲利大概也是近20年最高的那預放比率降到0.27%是近年來最低的那我們會尊重那他是一個模範生部長"},{"start":23099.239,"end":23127.412,"text":"他這麼說那你應該要跟他們去開槍闢土他已經這麼有能力不可能說限縮在那裡對不對你看預放比這麼低那存的那麼多錢那存的為什麼那麼多錢其實你越存錢我越料啊對不對我是要貸款出去我才會賺錢啊你要了解這樣啊對不對因為現在比如說我們直轄市的農會它已經都是改變了"},{"start":23128.012,"end":23155.419,"text":"他已經都是在都市當中非常重要的角色所以我們也希望讓我們的不只是農民還有我們的市民可以方便所以這個絕對有檢討的空間對不對我想謝謝委員我們會再請農進署這邊增加那個商品的多樣化剛剛可不可以再開發一些更多的商品這個再請農進署來研議好第三個部分如果沒有其他委員有意見那我們就陳副委員"},{"start":23160.603,"end":23173.273,"text":"今天談到農業金融機構,我們主管的是農業金融使。我請問一下市長,我看了一個新聞,說農業金庫今年已經虧了54億是不是?部長。"},{"start":23181.835,"end":23186.996,"text":"農業金庫虧了54億,是累積的,但是這裡面就是一個要研究的問題。現在臺灣的農會經過上一波整個整頓下來,幾乎的農會都很賺錢。"},{"start":23203.161,"end":23225.06,"text":"而且他放款各部分都非常的小心。我說不到苗栗農會大家都經營得不錯。啊你地方的農會賺錢,啊你總部的農業金庫去虧錢,啊這樣也對啦。你上面的要做比下面的還要好啊。所以這裡面要值得研究還有一點。"},{"start":23226.261,"end":23254.632,"text":"民間的農業民間的農業裡面大家集資去你的獨立董事又不肯放出來一手折騰我不對所謂為什麼說你經檢的單位比較嚴格我跟你講我現在一些事情去處理我要知道說現在我們的經檢單位是很嚴格的因為怕有金融風暴看起來是平平穩穩但是世界的經濟只有改變不曉得"},{"start":23255.672,"end":23280.937,"text":"否定?稍微一點。現在是我們總執行還是跟部會執行?你起碼也跟大方的,你學者出身,我們大家都教導你來做事情,很公平。我佔了大部分的股權地方的農會,你應該給他們有提名,獨立總市的權益啊,讓他去平衡一下。現在所有的銀行都這樣,否定?"},{"start":23283.438,"end":23305.728,"text":"統計起來現在銀行啊臺灣的銀行費收到10月底已經賺了盡照啊你竟然你農業的金額虧了54億檢討一下啦跟你講的話不要死守那個觀念法律要改我們替你改啊把那個獨立董事有放出來啊"},{"start":23306.368,"end":23332.357,"text":"我要很謝謝委員喔那我等一下那你請章夏委員問完之後一起回答好不好因為可能剛剛在提這個獨立董事齁獨立董事應該是獨立在公應該獨立在公司的經營對這個事務來應該是超然跟專業的判斷才能夠幫一個公司有營業並且具備高度重要性的監督角色我特別強調一下監督角色那現在為什麼農業經過會出現剛剛陳昌平陳委員講那個狀況"},{"start":23335.871,"end":23360.905,"text":"就是因為他的監督功能不見了啦他變成農業部是裁判兼的這個球員這個事情我覺得我看了過去幾年這個公報已經討論過好幾次了可是農業部一直一直在強調說他有所謂的政策這個命令我要強調兩個點第一個有政策命令或者是為了要政策去辯護或者要有他的這個使命的我們的供應行庫都是啊"},{"start":23362.15,"end":23388.773,"text":"全臺灣現在真正有一個有一個還留在這個這個上世紀這個這個看起來是只剩下農業金庫了那第二個我們也提出寄帖這個改革就讓他的獨立董事你現在不要五個人全部都你自己派啊他也會變成獨立這個裁判兼球員的同時你看不是只有剛講54億欸就是以前我們在討論的很多包括產銷產銷的問題包括這個超市激爛的時候農業金庫到底半年的什麼樣的一個角色"},{"start":23389.614,"end":23413.644,"text":"所以我先動結300萬然後請這個農業部好好去想一想獨立董事他的功能怎麼樣才能夠發揮好不好等他可以獨立發揮的時候我們再來解凍這個議事我想張經理委員跟陳昌明委員關心的都同樣科目也一樣我發現293鄭振賢委員也是一樣那是不是就按照三位委員動結"},{"start":23415.918,"end":23434.968,"text":"兩百萬,因為五百萬,動三百萬已經差不多一半了,是不是動兩百萬?動兩百萬啦?好啦,動兩百萬啦,因為上班能幫他,主要是提出基金作業。好,這部分針對第三幕的部分,這個"},{"start":23437.925,"end":23450.651,"text":"第3目的那個農業金控、零二向下農業金融機構管理,我們凍結兩寶案提出書面報告時的動之。好,主決議的部分?"},{"start":23450.651,"end":23464.579,"text":"尊教辦理。好,召喚通過。好,接下來農糧署。農糧署294跟295提案委員不在,我們照列。"},{"start":23465.629,"end":23486.207,"text":"二九六到三零九我們一起處理二九六到三零九農養署第三目的部分農養管理主席要不要請我們部長先說明好請陳部長先說明"},{"start":23491.977,"end":23511.779,"text":"整個農業管理的部分它有分幾個部分特別是在第一個是稻作雜糧他們相關的一個我們在做這個產業輔導的時候的一個跟地方在處理的時候的一個管理作為那另外有一些跟自衛化農業有關的這些計畫下去的一個管理"},{"start":23512.259,"end":23536.658,"text":"然後後面還有一些肥料的一個相關的管理的部分,都是做這些跟產業有關的這些輔導過程中的必要的一個管理作為。好,那個總共有110委員,我的部分,主席的部分302改組決議,305的部分也改組決議,另外309的部分也改組決議。"},{"start":23543.081,"end":23548.755,"text":"各位那個農糧管理部分第3幕來李玉玲委員之後再請楊全元委員"},{"start":23550.131,"end":23573.984,"text":"好 部長剛剛說明得非常淺顯但是部長應該知道我們想問什麼了那就是我們農糧的管理當然就是我們有關於公糧你說你年底要提出配套現在已經12月了那我相信你的配套應該會照顧到我們農民的權益畢竟不是所有的稻米區域全部會做公糧"},{"start":23574.724,"end":23587.696,"text":"那農業部特別你提出來的一級二轉三加三這個政策這個是屬於改善環境並沒有改善到農民的整個生產的成本這個也是要請部長一定要在配套裡面詳細的來做出一個對農民比較有利的一個方式"},{"start":23592.12,"end":23595.724,"text":"畢竟公糧13年還沒有調整過價錢那我的案子是298還有就是301部分301的話就在提到說我們農畜水產的源頭的管理就是他們用藥的安全跟監測的一個抽驗的情形我們希望農糧署這邊對這個用藥的品質"},{"start":23613.704,"end":23617.147,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分："},{"start":23628.995,"end":23643.917,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算的基金及農業特別收入基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作"},{"start":23644.878,"end":23647.26,"text":"我們看到我們的產銷履歷在112年我們統計它整個驗證的面積達到95608公頃但是我看到111年一直下降了將近1萬多公頃到112年以再繼續的下降所以我們希望整個我們推廣作業要重新的盤整來讓我們的農產品能夠溯源驗證的作業好不好"},{"start":23668.194,"end":23682.45,"text":"那這些部分呢我們希望都提出一些經濟的做法跟一個對於我們整體環境跟農民有可以權益上能夠保障的這個配套。好 謝謝 現在請楊卓英、楊卓英事後張其凱、張其凱事後邱映穎。"},{"start":23685.633,"end":23699.871,"text":"道作雜糧怎麼樣去分配今年還好一點點我們今年灌溉水現在都有分配所以水都可以灌溉但是你們還是控管整個道作的量"},{"start":23701.653,"end":23728.026,"text":"農民說:「我這個是糧田啊。」農民說:「你如果說我的水是不夠的,所以你們輪灌,會公投。」農民說:「可是我現在,你的水是夠的啊。」農民說:「你既然你同意他不輪灌,全部供水,但是你限制他不能做到,我本來就是倒田啊。」農民說:「那我覺得這一點沒有邏輯。」農民說:「部長,我覺得你今天,我們好不容易以往都是"},{"start":23728.806,"end":23740.094,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":23755.484,"end":23784.414,"text":"尤其嘉南地區我覺得這個你們要去討論而且我充分建議因為有時候聽說要送我們一個禮物大多數是都沒夠啦但是太有夠的時候給你請啊為什麼不要呢這是我第一點問題那第二個呢也就是在308的這個部分因為冷鏈物流對於目前我們一直不管是前任的陳其中部長一直到也是陳部長陳俊俊部長"},{"start":23785.174,"end":23810.181,"text":"那我們對忍戀的部分呢大家都非常的需求不管是果菜市場不管是肉片起牛不管是魚市場這個通通都是要但是在公平性我覺得我們錢必須要用在有效能的身上有效能的身上所以原本呢我要給你們經濟是減劣10%那我現在願意以凍結的方式凍結的方式凍3000萬就2%"},{"start":23813.482,"end":23814.823,"text":"當期凱、之後邱宇銀、邱宇銀之後陳昌明"},{"start":23842.685,"end":23862.457,"text":"好,農業部一直在推銷它的一級二轉三加三政策,也有很多農民說今天又聽不到。現在很多農、很多大農還是沒有加入,或者不願意加入。然後又因為國內大米生產的成本偏高,國際競爭力薄弱。即使最近這幾年啦,有很多國際糧食都出現短缺的狀況。"},{"start":23863.297,"end":23886.448,"text":"那麼臺灣外銷的成效還是非常的有限沒有擴展這個外銷的規模所以呢我希望農業部一方面在推這個一期二轉3加3的同時一定要好好去想一想為什麼農民不願意加入你或者是為什麼聽不懂特別是為什麼沒辦法好好去擴大外銷的規模另外有一個重要原因當然是因為"},{"start":23887.208,"end":23905.402,"text":"公糧收購,美國已經調高5塊錢。我們現在在等部長的這個報告。我們先凍結1000萬,等部長的報告出來,我們再做進一步的決定。接下來會請邱議員,邱議員之後陳昌明。好,謝謝主席。我想這個農糧的管理牽扯到所有的這個農業的發展。"},{"start":23908.496,"end":23934.376,"text":"那個部長雖然大家一直在講要提高公糧收購那在講聽不懂你們所謂的一級二轉3加3但是其實加入集團稻米契作的農民還是有非常多今天美農農會早上7點不到已經排一堆農民要加入契作的行列美農147米的契作行列所以他們今年因為預算不夠多所以他們只能增加50公頃"},{"start":23935.777,"end":23944.293,"text":"那我覺得依照這樣子的一個良性發展我覺得農糧單位應該要去多多推廣台灣的優質糧米"},{"start":23946.9,"end":23973.697,"text":"甚至比如說學校的營養午餐我們也一直希望能夠推動學校的營養午餐是不是能夠採用台灣的優質糧米跟軍中的伙食軍中的米飯我覺得要從台灣自己本土做起我們要讓我們的孩子們從小他就可以吃到台灣的糧食米而不是一味的一直去講求高產量但是口感不佳的公糧一直不斷的去增加種植的面積"},{"start":23974.577,"end":24002.182,"text":"所以我覺得推動台灣的優質稻米的種植這一點其實對農糧單位是非常重要的所以你一直講一級二轉三加三可能真的有人聽不懂但是如何去協助農民種植優良的國產米這一點是你們應該要去極力推廣的地方釋出一些利多讓更多的農民願意參與這樣的一個集團耕作拿美農農會來做一個良好的例子我覺得這個也"},{"start":24003.382,"end":24006.943,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度中央政府重新審查114年度"},{"start":24030.526,"end":24041.08,"text":"法案已經延伸到我苗栗縣來啦那我影片看了一下我感受很深我也請你們下去看那現在審查預算我稍微拖延一下"},{"start":24042.199,"end":24065.221,"text":"那紅外的這邊又跟林務吉保護動物你又不能宰又不能殺看起來又很可愛但是實在又氣又混把我生氣要賣的東西沒有辦法有收入進來阿我講就你研究一套辦法這個如果你們連這樣就沒有防止的話阿農業部要有什麼作為"},{"start":24067.642,"end":24089.892,"text":"你們怎麼自己要阻止我?你們自己說維穩還有那個炮槍是這樣來阻礙火子。你們兩個給我想一個辦法,不然我會很痛苦的。每天我那些農民給我做個醫療,請我替他解決。你們有沒有什麼法事?"},{"start":24092.981,"end":24116.496,"text":"阿你說天然災害補償你們又不同意。阿你們紅火魚的話我處理過。最早我就是處理紅火魚。在西湖的地區就要你們依照這樣的方式。但是我把它看來應付的場面太多了。因為我看那個布施圖哪一個鄉鎮多少。結果都不一定。阿保證給我解決一下。不然我討論的越來越多啦。"},{"start":24118.427,"end":24143.84,"text":"好,那請農業部、農家署、綜合大會所有委員詢問。你回答一下,有什麼更好的辦法?我先回答剛才那個委員的一些提案,就是剛才那個楊委員提到大區輪作的部分,我們現在已經有一個原則,就是當水資源夠的時候,我們就暫停這個大區輪作的這個東西,今年已經是暫停了。就是,對。"},{"start":24145.56,"end":24171.597,"text":"沒有,就是讓他種。就是水資源夠的時候,我們就會暫停大區輪作。那水資源不夠的時候,我們才會啟動。然後我會請農田水利署去建立一個機制,讓農民更早知道。那根據水的資源多或少來決定,這個已經在做了。我可不可以確認一下,就是說我們的水是夠的,所以我們不輪貫。對。你水給他,他還是可以繼續種稻米。"},{"start":24172.137,"end":24193.344,"text":"對,就是這樣子。然後另外冷鏈的部分我想我們也會來處理,就是我們是建構一個全國冷鏈網。那個張綺凱、張委員提到的這些公糧的部分,然後我想我們也承諾了就是說在月底之前,但是絕對不會在31號,我們一定是在中下旬的時候也一定會去考慮到"},{"start":24194.404,"end":24209.956,"text":"除非農業作業基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基"},{"start":24217.541,"end":24223.082,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會及所屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利"},{"start":24240.086,"end":24240.367,"text":"好!"},{"start":24240.367,"end":24241.949,"text":"保祿我教你做方法!"},{"start":24262.584,"end":24278.209,"text":"現在有機器人他眼睛可以看他晚上白天都可以自由的走動啊你把他放著買幾部去試驗如果他可以認識猴子還是認識任何動物他就會發出聲響"},{"start":24279.89,"end":24304.87,"text":"那火子對於炮直升可能已經習慣了,他說啊這個不會把我拆,但是看到人的時候,狗來牠可能會怕。所以你要用新的點子來解決這個辦法,我跟你講,沒力沒辦法。你AI的機器狗或是什麼狗,你這樣給牠在山區繞來繞去幾步起來牠會照射,晚上都能看得到。"},{"start":24306.427,"end":24329.667,"text":"嘗試一下這個我講的一個科技管理好不好我們來研議看看啦因為猴子今天超屁嘛真的真的你們不要科技啦我沒什麼教啦這台的假造語你用機器過然後用世界系統去繞然後發出聲響所以要用這些來解決不要以往的方式啦好不好這第一點"},{"start":24330.987,"end":24351.715,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：非營業部分：非收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入基金及收入"},{"start":24352.622,"end":24366.232,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案：立法院第11屆第12會期經濟委員會第11屆第12會期基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業"},{"start":24382.554,"end":24403.139,"text":"不適宜耕種的農地很多,尤其這幾十年的經濟變化,那大概你為了供糧採購,我告訴你,你把大廈不適宜耕種,把它停止。有人要去種瓜田,有人要去歐元米田園工會,或日本地域的改觀,不適宜耕種,就把它劃出來。"},{"start":24404.471,"end":24430.009,"text":"我們現在你們每天都在跟我們說糧食安全其實我們糧食過多我們稻米生產過多你們庫存量要兩年大概都是賠賣到國外不然的去做飼料做那個米腔所以到現在你碰到的問題還好這是CPTPP沒有過不然你真的頭痛台灣的農業如果照這樣競爭下來真的我們會面臨很多問題"},{"start":24432.691,"end":24455.201,"text":"所以科技農業非常重要那你說大概我聽你的算支的報告有25萬公頃的話是多出來的等於說是做工量了你們去查一下不適宜耕種的時候不要勉強他們去耕種自然有人去找用途來做了這個觀念真的要放心啦"},{"start":24456.121,"end":24481.528,"text":"好不好,那個林委員長,你很優秀,但是我只要幫我們好好解決,那是你山上跑來山下踢我們的喔,好不好,想個新的方式,謝謝。聽陳昌明委員在講,好像聽教授在上課,非常專業。那個張靜凱社、陳立芬,之後我們就處理了。謝謝陳昌明委員,現場有些笑聲是好的啦。"},{"start":24482.625,"end":24507.17,"text":"阿對阿,很好啦,也聽到部長說不會拖到12月31號啦,時間可以盡快。可以盡快,然後講今天你看在審這個預算,很多凍結跟減淚就是因為你的報告還沒出來嘛。那我們也很期待,因為這是我們農村在那裡行政院協商嘛,在協調的時候你也在現場。也是總在左院長答應的,我希望你提出的時候,真正可以讓農民,接著說你這個部長是有照顧他們的。"},{"start":24508.71,"end":24535.771,"text":"農業部也照顧到他們。好不好?好不好?我們這位請…另外一位我談一下那個休耕的那個問題你知道說水有夠就不休耕嗎?我們嘉義是跟台南是輪流那今年水過了所以嘉義今年不用休耕對不對?是不是?今年?蛤?可以齁?明年不會休耕對不對?齁?所以明年嘉義不會休耕嘛齁?水有夠就這樣齁?我們不實施輪…輪作啦那農民他自己要休耕他是可以自己休耕啦"},{"start":24536.511,"end":24557.327,"text":"所以他如果要更受名點是可以的就對了好好謝謝好那請陳定非之後我們就處理了還是要強調一下那個之前有跟部長在質詢的部分就供糧的部分我覺得今天供糧的部分會炒成這樣是因為真的他會讓大家有感的是因為很久沒有調整了"},{"start":24558.027,"end":24581.978,"text":"所以我們一直在強調是我們不要一直漫天喊價說我要調多少調多少而是你應該給農民有一個保障的機制也就是說如何我們可以隨著多久幾年能夠檢討一次這樣的機制出來農民就知道我大概有什麼樣的依據否則現在工人說這個多久沒了"},{"start":24585.359,"end":24595.8,"text":"部長,多久沒調了?13年沒有調。是嗎?所以為什麼大家會對這樣的議題會有興趣?就是13年沒有調了。所以我們把它制度化。"},{"start":24596.738,"end":24624.657,"text":"不要是說哪一個時間點他拿出來說我要喊到多少而是我應該有什麼樣的機制幾年調整一次幾年拿出來檢討一次我覺得這才是對農民比較有依靠然後讓他們可以幸福的而且也比起你說我今天做的那些專案其實這些專案有哪幾個農民會很清楚的了解其實不會"},{"start":24626.249,"end":24640.193,"text":"好,所以這個部分我覺得制度還是最重要的,部長。好,謝謝。我們重申大家意見,關於農糧署第3幕農糧管理的預算,我們是不是凍結3000萬,當然凍結3000萬,提出書面報告之後,使得凍之。來,主決議的部分,310。"},{"start":24650.66,"end":24656.762,"text":"311修正文字311遵照辦理312遵照辦理313遵照辦理314遵照辦理315遵照辦理316遵照辦理繼續處理農田水利署"},{"start":24678.322,"end":24704.063,"text":"農田水利署來317曾佳俊委員不在我們是不是就照列318李毓林委員委員有同意照列委員已經有同意照列同意照列照列好我們處理319到325農田水利署第4幕的部分農田水利發展那我的部分主席的部分322改主席"},{"start":24710.83,"end":24713.152,"text":"三二五是改組決定嗎?"},{"start":24713.152,"end":24716.575,"text":"鄭委員你那個三二五 凍結啊來那個 忍農水組說明一下好了"},{"start":24728.428,"end":24741.641,"text":"報告召委還有各位委員那事實上我們325這個預算最主要是在做農地重劃區內的這個農水路的這個改善那事實上地方上是需求非常的殷切那麼可以讓我們的這個灌溉水好好"},{"start":24750.105,"end":24761.616,"text":"因為在山地你們要特別照顧一下,難怪他會提鄭天才很斯文的人。斯文的立委提洞捷大概你們得罪他不少,他要的人不給他。"},{"start":24763.874,"end":24788.391,"text":"但是我要強調一句話農地重劃區的基礎建設升級計畫這個勢必要做因為我去看過農地重劃區大概以前做到現在以前那個鋪的柏油大概都沒有鋪很爛很破我常常說經濟其外敗息其中大馬路修得好好你重劃區的土地不能看"},{"start":24789.817,"end":24814.213,"text":"所以這一點我是特別不是提啊因為我小的地方的需求這樣就少動一些啦好不好那我們給主席 那我們是不是動機500萬好 這個第四幕的部分我們動機500萬提出說明報紙的動之然後鄭天才委員你第五幕的部分有沒有特別意見第五幕的部分你3、2、6"},{"start":24820.977,"end":24842.827,"text":"3、2、6的部分是不是就我們就照列好不好。這個都是撥款給地方做這個基礎的農田水利建設的經費。那我們當然已經有凍結啦,那個跟是一樣的,那我們是不是就照列3、2、6。主決3、2、7的部分。 遵照辦理。"},{"start":24845.569,"end":24846.69,"text":"委員已修正文字。"},{"start":24859.964,"end":24871.453,"text":"維也同意修正文字通過331維也同意修正文字通過331維也同意修正文字通過331這個維也同意修正文字按照修正文字通過好"},{"start":24889.813,"end":24905.286,"text":"好,你直接答覆那個鄭天才委員。是是是。改成組決議。3、2、6。我們看你們這個約跟鄭天才委員約個時間去辦公室。談過了。談過了。你要有書面報告。雖然是改成組決議,但是針對3、2、6要有個書面報告給鄭天才委員。"},{"start":24924.614,"end":24933.26,"text":"來,332農業科技園區管理中心332,主席。召喚通過。召喚通過是我講的。來,曾委員。謝謝主席。我要麻煩我們這個蘭花園區的部分,到底我們現在整個的"},{"start":24950.929,"end":24975.323,"text":"進度到哪裡了?因為明年我們有兩個很大的重要的展覽有亞太、有國際這兩個非常大我們現在是用我們目前今年的預算把它雲芝出來要去處理明年那我們的大計畫還有一個大的匡列計畫現在已經不是叫你們的人事的部分嗎?"},{"start":24980.515,"end":24980.696,"text":"編制啦!"},{"start":24982.039,"end":24985.722,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位"},{"start":25010.862,"end":25034.799,"text":"不是,他那邊的計畫通過以後才會再處理人的問題,那那邊還在審。對,現在進入到哪裡了?之前是國防會到行政院叫你們修正嘛。在修正,那現在我們在報過去。修正我們現在正在修正。對啊,那差在哪裡?為什麼那麼久?從那天到這裡一個多月了欸。主要是針對他的經費問題跟設施,因為他我們有"},{"start":25039.122,"end":25060.406,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分：非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事"},{"start":25065.127,"end":25079.922,"text":"與地方所承諾的是沒差,只是說我們把管理中心跟研發中心整合成一個綜合大樓,那這機會會往下調到十幾億。拜託把這個部分大概多久我們要送上去?你們預計多久可以OK?"},{"start":25080.322,"end":25090.065,"text":"我們今年底應該可以把...今年底12月31今年底就可以送到行政院送到國發會所以先送到國發會12月底是送到國發會然後國發會審了可能又是明年了"},{"start":25097.887,"end":25114.834,"text":"所以這個進度你看要拖多久所以還是要部長拜託一下對啊你看你們正式接牌之後接了之後到現在其實還是這樣子對啊還是這樣子讓大家感覺有一點慢了"},{"start":25115.334,"end":25127.566,"text":"我了解 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