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14嘛那全部的這次所有的部會全部增加的就是15%你看這個幅度已經超過所有部會的嘛"},{"start":3071.135,"end":3073.236,"text":"我們為了這800萬,我覺得這個事務費、例行性的支出,不要為難我們,我們今天要怎麼顧"},{"start":3083.048,"end":3085.01,"text":"主委請說明一下秘書處管水電是哪一個部分"},{"start":3109.527,"end":3110.148,"text":"這個這個說明一下這個我們"},{"start":3113.43,"end":3124.452,"text":"我們上個年度的確我們執行率有到99%那我們其實最有改我們在去年其實也改了我們的冰水機是我們到現在也減了113年較112年其實我們減了59,300度但是因為電費漲價了所以才會有這樣的一個幅度出來是不是懇請委員也幫忙因為最後還是會有一個統三"},{"start":3140.675,"end":3157.07,"text":"那如果這邊砍了再統三其實我擔心我們的水電費會不足啦我請教一下齁去年的預算編列是730幾萬34嗎來國發會"},{"start":3166.399,"end":3190.639,"text":"734.6萬那去年的全部的這個水電費大概都執行完了嗎?如果你們剛剛講有節電5萬度的話對還是提升的因為我們還是因為電費增加嘛電費增加那如果現在張委員提案減100萬就是變714比去年的還要少還要少那到院會再砍就更少啊所以那這樣子怎麼維持以後5點以後全部關燈shut down"},{"start":3191.793,"end":3209.064,"text":"對,因為我們現在加班的比例也高很多啦,所以我們當然現在在推,盡量少加班,那晚上,因為這樣的話晚上可以盡量節電了,那我們也會試著去控制更多。你們那個國發會的所有的節電裝置、節電設備更換的情況是怎麼樣?有更換到百分之多少?"},{"start":3210.357,"end":3238.81,"text":"這個我上次質詢經理部也有提到這件事情公部門自己都沒有去更換節電設備那我不知道你們有沒有你們要更換這些節電設備應該也會反映在預算書上面所以這些設備費用有沒有包含在裡頭那更換了這些節電設備之後你們有沒有預期可以省掉多少的電費設施的費用是一筆嘛但是省下來的電費是一筆但現在談的就是直接省下來的直接要用的水電費"},{"start":3240.669,"end":3256.321,"text":"那你們跟其他的部會相比起來比例有比較多嗎?如果比例沒有比較多的話那我是建議維持原預算數那如果比例有比較多的話那可以調整到跟其他各部會比例相等的水電費的預算"},{"start":3260.921,"end":3277.253,"text":"我們在這個今年的4月我們汰換了冰水機那所以已經在有逐步的汰換我們希望降低這個水電費的開銷了那現在冰水機的效果是可以減下來我們目前統計大概有5萬多度了"},{"start":3277.873,"end":3300.205,"text":"那我們逐步會落實這個節電設備只是這樣砍下來就像委員講的如果就會到710幾萬然後如果到院會再統三就可能剩600多萬那比去年都低很多了事上今年有電費有上漲我想我們是在經濟委員會審查預算"},{"start":3302.881,"end":3326.272,"text":"那因為立法院的慣例就是委員會審完到還有第二輪的就是朝野協商但是我還是建議就是說還是要尊重經濟委員會因為在經濟委員會可以實質去討論可以實質去討論所以不要拿著到這個朝野協商的時候要去看"},{"start":3327.393,"end":3349.79,"text":"因為到朝野協商的時候你們單位都可以再說明不是說沒有說明也不是說統一就多少不見得是如此我們先把這個觀念去導正因為我們現在還沒有進入朝野協商是在經濟委員會做討論這是一點我建議那第二點也就是因為水電費"},{"start":3350.931,"end":3378.591,"text":"大家就誠如邱委員所說的大家都希望機關必須帶頭去做示範那我有歡喜聽到主委說你們的冰水機你明年度預估可以省掉5萬多度那另外呢你說你們會陸續去做因為這個預算是114年那另外你們預計我們要聽的是說預計你們在明年度你可以省掉多少一度"},{"start":3379.572,"end":3404.532,"text":"可以省多少度的電量今天是我們經濟委員會審查預算應該你們一定有一個預估因為在預算的呈現上面文字我們看不到你可以省多少我們這個就是理性討論我想委員給你提議的數字目的也就是要精進那你行政部門應該要有能力來說明我可以省多少"},{"start":3404.872,"end":3421.1,"text":"第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、花東地區第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、花東地區第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、花東地區第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、花東地區第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、花東地區第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單"},{"start":3433.826,"end":3462.965,"text":"但當然也沒有跟我們說要漲所以這個還有一個未知數所以我覺得未知的因子蠻多但是可知的是你機關單位你可以省多少因為除非你的機關有減還是有增這個都必須在數字上面呈現告訴委員我們才能夠有效能的來看數字來分享來討論以上是我的建議我現在聽到這個方向"},{"start":3463.285,"end":3489.225,"text":"好,那等一下統一回答,來張旭凱其實大家去看公報,這幾年的公報跟新聞都會看到水電會是最近這幾年都是討論的一個重點特別是最近這幾年每年都在葬這個水電嘛所以大家會認為說各個部會應該帶頭去省水跟省電這是它一個很重要的所以包括臺灣民眾黨跟國民黨都開過好幾次記者會啦明年所有的這個各部會"},{"start":3490.842,"end":3518.132,"text":"水電會增加就是15%那裡面有幾個都超過15%的司法院超過將近60%我們就要追壓說他到底為什麼這麼多啊中東府25%啊前陣子最引起討論的就是我們的卓院長啊他的官邸不是他喊冤啊他說不是他用的電啊對不對一查一查電就省下來了嘛所以今天這個是很重要我剛才提就是說之前大家已經很好奇這記者會然後到了這個朝野協商的時候第二輪還會進一步討論啊老實講"},{"start":3521.558,"end":3541.326,"text":"國發會算是社會部會裡面表現比較好的啦我記得到時候指揮可以去爭取就是說例如說到時候要統三要統三一個可能額度例如說可能是15%或者是20那你們表現不錯你們可以爭取稍微低一點那我現在提出來的這個三個一百萬這個幅度也是算是少的啦所以我是建議就是說先維持這個我建議的就先減一百萬"},{"start":3543.63,"end":3563.362,"text":"主席,我可不可以建議一下,如果張委員堅持要刪的話,是不是那就回到去年的預算金我來,我來給你建議啦不是,我是主席,也是提案委員,我有我的想法,我說完之後請大家一起答這個齁"},{"start":3567.029,"end":3587.391,"text":"農業部我們處理這個水電費的時候是凍結100萬請你們提出這個節能省水省電的這個方案那我看了一下你們去年是去年大概都730萬左右加上今年的這個水電費有調漲所以適度增加啦適度增加"},{"start":3588.192,"end":3591.233,"text":"我會認為可以拙減,那到100萬是太多了,100萬已經10%、已經15%嘛10%你立委員會,再來15%你差不多月薄就不用開會了,5點就不用開會了,可能開會要點蠟燭了"},{"start":3607.743,"end":3610.825,"text":"主委,我們認為要讓你們達到節省水、節省省電、節水省電這部分,左檢,主委,你們的看法怎麼樣?秘書處秘書處"},{"start":3639.263,"end":3641.424,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":3660.653,"end":3671.577,"text":"我綜合答覆我在我是不是再把數字跟各位報告一下我們113年的預算是734萬6千我們今年是814萬1千那我們增加了79萬5比例是10.8但是我們電費增加11%其實是等比例的增加我還是希望讓"},{"start":3683.741,"end":3692.208,"text":"委員報告這個數字那至於我們明年可以努力怎麼樣努力我想也許我們讓我們秘書室主管來說明"},{"start":3694.774,"end":3718.585,"text":"報告委員基本上我們除了今年在汰換這個冰水主機之外我們在另外一個辦公室就是濟南辦公室也是中央聯合辦公大樓這邊那明年度在整個空調的系統也會做一些改善那到時候會有一些節電那到時候整個濟南辦公室跟寶清辦公室兩個加起來的話這個節電的部分會有一定的效果那另外我們"},{"start":3720.026,"end":3734.153,"text":"我們也有請同仁隨時要注意就是辦公室如果沒有人在的時候一定要關燈下班之後也會請人到各個辦公室去巡查所以到時候一定會有節電節能的效果以上"},{"start":3738.232,"end":3762.795,"text":"我覺得我們審預算不是說無所本這樣隨便喊一個10%、15%、100萬、50萬不是這樣子的那剛剛我很高興聽到秘書處說冰水的部分可以減5萬多度那你保慶跟濟南的你們那個空調要去改也會節省那個有預估可以減多少嗎"},{"start":3764.468,"end":3778.795,"text":"有沒有預估可以減多少?對啊,應該你可以減的,是我們可以減的。你可以減的,就是我們可以減的。對不對?請說明因為這個濟南的部分,它是一個中央空小就整棟大樓的部分"},{"start":3785.362,"end":3806.181,"text":"你剛才說一定可以審嗎?那可以審多少?因為這個是各個部會去分攤的我們只是佔了其中三層樓所以到時候這個可能要再去計算一下所以你沒答案嘛是不是我建議我們行政部門你任何一個預算不是在說數字的問題你任何一個數字都要有所本"},{"start":3807.202,"end":3815.308,"text":"那你今天連你行政部門都說不出來還要審這份預算我們減了50萬減100萬到底是夠還是不夠還是要減10萬還是要減110萬這是我建議行政部門加油啦你要讓人家說得出來啊你到底可以審多少我們會審啊我們會審你要為我們啊我們是要30%、30%、20%、30%幾十%無所本啊"},{"start":3831.431,"end":3854.68,"text":"其實委員這個是不是我齁我們整理一份資料到你那邊去到兩位委員那裡報告好了其實齁我要講很多是非超市在他們齁你說潔能省水這設備是沒有問題但是你要看他婚姻多寡他不多你婚姻多當然會使用水電會比較多嘛這個合理這不是我的好了好了我再處理一下齁沒有用那個齁"},{"start":3859.295,"end":3866.319,"text":"我建議啦我建議北壘就是叫農業部那個凍結100萬提出報告,北壘的4度檢驗30萬因為你股尼執行率99%股尼有3、750萬好不好,但是就"},{"start":3881.843,"end":3893.437,"text":"你又減了齁 那你院會還會再處理齁所以說是不是減那30萬 這樣好了齁我建議還是減那還是減那100啦 不然休息休息兩分半"},{"start":3992.076,"end":4006.669,"text":"主席有主席的話我要發言那個賴立榮先不用發言了那個賴立榮之後李玉琳"},{"start":4008.137,"end":4016.841,"text":"主席各位我是建議這樣因為國發會其實蠻重要的那其實坦白講我不會認為公務機關誰會故意去浪費那個水電那現在如果設備老舊該換就換當然減少水電但是因為國發會我也相信主委上任之後"},{"start":4031.807,"end":4057.822,"text":"明年度的工作一定也是繁重的啦特別國發委的角色也是很吃重那如果你連他的基本的水電都把他給砍光的話我們請他盡量尊潔啦使用但你把他砍光了這個難道他在工作的時候甚至有時候需要加班需要那個時候連水電都不能使用嗎我覺得這個希望大家還是而且他經費其實並不多啦相較其他的部會也都並不多是不是能夠給予多一點支持相較"},{"start":4058.843,"end":4083.839,"text":"大家想一下啦如果我們辦公室同仁在幫我們努力的工作的時候那我們連水電的費用都不給他的話這個真的是有點過於殘忍啦我認為沒有人會故意浪費水電阿如果老舊設備該換就換不要造成這樣結果但是這個經費我真的建議給予支持啦那也請主委啦當然尊潔支出能夠尊潔節省越多越好但是不要請同仁不要去刪這樣的一個預算啦我認為這個對他們來說"},{"start":4085.42,"end":4103.888,"text":"這是他們的工作需要必備的一些經費真的請大家支持了這個賴榮文發言人令人感動言之有理來下一位請李玉琳李玉琳先生我們就主委了好謝謝主席因為我們看到這個水電跟去年度的來比較的話是增加了將近有80萬"},{"start":4105.089,"end":4132.48,"text":"那我們應該是尊爵來節約用電做民眾的表率所以這個嘴電費也會時報時銷啦所以我這邊可以改成主決議然後書面報告如何尊爵好不好這個李議員的翻譯令人感動來 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之後我們就處理"},{"start":4999.315,"end":5021.797,"text":"對啦,國發會非常重要是國家發展的火車頭啦這比規劃跟推動國家發展計畫綜合也很重要不過他現在有兩個問題啦主委先不用緊張我會支持可是這出了兩個問題我上個禮拜有質詢你這個題目嘛對不對他至少出了兩個很嚴重問題第一就是你的那個114年的那個績效指標"},{"start":5023.629,"end":5051.949,"text":"目前還沒定出來吧你1、1、2、1、1、3我之前都有看那一天我就跟你講了你要趕快拿出來要趕快很明確的拿出來就是112年跟113年我都看到你有非常具體的指標目前114年你只有定了說召開委員會會議至少兩次啦什麼落實實體公眾諮詢至少十場只有這個所以你要趕快把那個後面那個東西指標把它列出來這是一個啊第二你這個計畫是要推動這個"},{"start":5054.284,"end":5064.811,"text":"近年公正轉型啊結果你看那個全球氣候會議46個國家那去年排41名今年40名都掉車尾啊啊你是火車頭結果你提的這個計畫目標定了沒有達到嘛對不對所以我現在要兩個東西一個就是我剛剛講的就是事實上也是呼應楊瓊英、楊委員講的"},{"start":5080.439,"end":5100.554,"text":"你提了這個計畫出來你要具體的這個指標趕快拿出來給我們看這是第一個趕快補給我我上禮拜已經跟你要了對不對你到目前沒提出來這個不是給張祺凱是給全民看國發會對於這個計畫他要怎麼樣達成他的指標是什麼樣子每個時間點他要做多少事情你111年跟112年跟113年既然都有114就要趕快提出來然後第二個"},{"start":5105.177,"end":5125.69,"text":"老是在國際上很沒有面子你同志前在那裡笑啊對不對你的好朋友同志前在那裡笑啊那特別都吊車尾啊今天坦白搞不清楚知道很差的嘛臉上都無光嘛所以你要怎麼樣讓我們不要你說明年可能至少爬到三十幾名去啊四十六個國家每次都在四十一、四十好不好這要很具體可以怎麼做好不好那如果是這樣的話"},{"start":5127.37,"end":5145.505,"text":"我可以把委員來這個凍結100萬看用什麼方式例如說你在一個禮拜內或兩個禮拜內不是只有給經濟委員會你要跟前面講你的具體指標是怎麼樣然後你明年這個評比的時候你說什麼名次可以往上再爬升不要在國際上被笑好不好那如果這樣的話到時候再解凍這個預算先凍結100萬好不好來那個蕾榮市委請這個主委重複答案"},{"start":5149.729,"end":5174.747,"text":"我還是要提醒就是說主委其實你也了解這個進行轉型很重要啦特別是中南部這確實是相當的辛苦也相當艱困那我的凍結其實是希望主委用你的力道去整合其他的因為你本身也是政委的身份那不要讓環境部或者讓經濟部或其他部會各行其事你要去統籌大家的力量來完成這個國家級的任務"},{"start":5176.208,"end":5196.545,"text":"以及對於中南部的他們的確實壓力跟他們所面臨到的需要輔導跟轉型有相當大的一個挑戰那我這個凍結值希望賦予你們更加重視這個問題我希望50絕對對你們來說並不多書面也很快就可以解決掉但我希望你們認真的去面對善用你政委的身份善用國會整合的身份"},{"start":5198.107,"end":5213.124,"text":"經濟部把這個環境部把其他部會的找來跟地方的找來好好的談一談我希望能夠讓整個這個過程中能更加的順利所以我還是建議能夠凍結50、豬魚凍結然後提書面包後再行解凍那主委檢議後總有答覆"},{"start":5215.34,"end":5236.794,"text":"謝謝各位委員的指導關於賴委員所提這個整合跟書面報告那我們這邊會盡快來處理那這個李委員交代的書面報告我們也會盡快完成提交那鄭委員提到的國語中心主要是現在行政院只要一核定他就可以進行設計"},{"start":5238.075,"end":5262.995,"text":"然後設計之後就可以進行這個往下的整個開標的規劃了所以速度應該是只有在等行政院的核定那陳委員提到的淨林工程轉型這個是的確是兩年前訂出來的我大概跟委員報告一下我們大概看到在做的幾件事情跟您報告一下譬如說風電當時有影響到一些漁場"},{"start":5264.136,"end":5264.617,"text":"委員會提供資訊及資訊提供資訊"},{"start":5283.718,"end":5310.64,"text":"我想委員也很清楚有一些人其實他的利潤是在很邊際在勉強維生那他的影響到底有多大那我們需不需要做一些更多的措施其實我們現在正在起草一個標案我們會委由這個這個臺大的這個這個一個中心去幫我們去做一個研究那因為我們也用數據看了一下有幾個地區有兩個地區其實他收的碳費可能會有比較大的傷害那我們就希望把這個區域裡面"},{"start":5312.401,"end":5335.968,"text":"我們做一個整理出來然後呢在碳費的過程能夠協助那我們當然也同時有協調這個這個這個環境部就是說在這個碳費裡面的時候如果廠商自己開始進行一些減碳的措施那提出報告就可以刪減他的碳費那另外也因為這樣的關係因為大家也不一定找得到有人可以幫他解決"},{"start":5336.688,"end":5344.095,"text":"所以我們才會也去找了環境部說希望他們就他們的專業然後我們也弄一個淨零轉型基金也利用這個機會去讓我們的年輕人或者是有創意的企業家有機會再透過這樣的商機在大家在全球淨零的商機中"},{"start":5354.845,"end":5379.832,"text":"能夠發展一些事業,所以我們也去支持它一個濟寧的綠色成長基金利用這個綠色商機去協助產業的發展跟成長所以我們是多部在做這樣的事情至於提到現在的關稅跟保護的確我們今天晚上其實有一個座談會也在談我們今天晚上是比較跟企業"},{"start":5381.252,"end":5405.235,"text":"那有些部分呢這個我想我們可以委員也是商業專家我想是不是也找個時間我們也來做一個探討跟改善這個這個這個那楊委員我真的非常感激謝謝楊委員對我們這麼大的支持但是您督促的事情也很重要就是我們怎麼去把橫向的部分要去做得更好"},{"start":5405.976,"end":5432.966,"text":"那我們剛剛楊委員的指導看起來我們可以我們應該再更加強了我這邊會也會整理一下一個書面資料報告那另外在張委員提到我們114年指標我們在12月3號已經回文到您的辦公室了12月3號那我們有整理出所有的指標再重新再重新調過一次在是不是我們也"},{"start":5434.406,"end":5458.184,"text":"如果需要進一步說明我我我我去跟你們做跟您報告一下說明看看我們後面怎麼來改善這個也謝謝幾位委員給我們指導了好這個處理好我跟楊小英跟陳昌明我們都主張好照列啊都用跟邱瑩是動50張靜雅是動100啊我建議值不值得中啊動50萬啊動50萬提出書面報告啦好不好"},{"start":5463.045,"end":5481.778,"text":"公證你怎麼樣解決?要不要取消掉?我講到顧法是要取消掉,表示他們做了不公證,執政黨這幾年做了不公證,怎麼轉型就轉型?那個公證陳昌明委員說那個是不是名稱部分在一併在書面報告裡面署名,書面報告裡面在針對這部分,書面報告在提出來,謝謝"},{"start":5498.793,"end":5510.675,"text":"因為這很重要,就是針對於淨雲碳排的部分請國發會跟這個相關部會你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎?你會寫一下嗎"},{"start":5518.782,"end":5542.277,"text":"這個主席的提案,這個第22案跟這個25案我改成這個主決議22案到25案好,提案委員,來賴銳榮好,我的第18案我跟從主席的,我會改主決議好,那其他委員沒有意見的話,來李玉琳"},{"start":5544.748,"end":5553.274,"text":"我的案子是20案這個是在分析各國在創新的經濟領域我們看到110年到113年總體計畫達成的情形來看大概都在這3.3%到3.7%但是我們看到的這個數值跟他們評估的都未達成大概在2.59%"},{"start":5568.285,"end":5571.886,"text":"那現在要提出來114到117的計畫那可見的我們國發會這邊應該要再加強執行計畫的管理提出一些書面報告如何去穩健這個經濟狀況那我先提凍結200萬好來就贏"},{"start":5588.414,"end":5609.726,"text":"主席謝謝我的案子是23案那我想這個案子我覺得對於未來的整個新經濟政策的關聯性大家都非常在意剛剛旅委員提凍結200萬我覺得有點多因為他的總預算大概也只有550萬那是不是我們可以調整一下凍結50萬好不好好來曾振賢委員"},{"start":5618.343,"end":5641.819,"text":"本期提案是第15案那是針對那個因為整個臺灣目前中產階級消失情況非常嚴重然後貧富差距在擴大所以怎麼樣解決貧富不均的問題跟產業販不均的問題就是本期對這邊特別關注所以希望國防部會這邊能夠提出一個報告然後我們再解凍這邊的主張是凍結10%好那個主委中央雜誤一下"},{"start":5649.426,"end":5657.029,"text":"謝謝三位委員李委員交代我們要去努力改善GDP我們提書面報告我們這邊會來一定會提書面報告給委員向委員報告那邱委員謝謝邱委員對我們的支持"},{"start":5668.773,"end":5692.332,"text":"政委員提到中產消失跟這個產業不均我們也會提書面報告來跟您說明那甚至我也願意親自跟您分享更細的看法那大概我們會努力實現三位委員的要求好 各位委員那這個大家都有共識了那整個幕我們是不是凍結100萬折衷一下因為黎玉琳是200嘛然後"},{"start":5695.374,"end":5711.899,"text":"整個木是不是凍結100萬提出書面報告那這樣我的18案我也就一併凍結好不好我就一併凍結就一併改入凍結一起凍結我的18案你不是已經變主決議的就改掉就好了改回凍結改回凍結那變來變去沒問題的你到底是怎麼樣你是凍60"},{"start":5721.195,"end":5722.116,"text":"道吉案"},{"start":5752.398,"end":5770.009,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":5772.267,"end":5797.749,"text":"我先提一下這個其實我們綠電的發展是國家重大的政策也是一個正確的政策但是因為地方上的執行的時候出現很多綠電蟑螂所以導致整個變成整個被抹黑被攻擊的很厲害那我認為其實國發會應該要還是要用整個比較高的高度去協助跨部會間不管是跟經濟部跟農業部跟其他相關部會間要去"},{"start":5799.01,"end":5822.091,"text":"這個協助我們現在能農電跟漁電其實建設的落後我們目標其實是落後的那我是覺得國發在這件事情上面應該多多去協助跨部會間的一些溝通跟協調特別是主委有政委的身份我建議這一塊我們足以凍結那也希望督促國發會要能夠善加這些協調的工作讓我們這個綠電的政策能夠達成國家的一個目標以上好請上銘"},{"start":5827.676,"end":5852.698,"text":"其實國外會的角度跟態度非常重要尤其今天談到促進社會發展及計劃審議協調那現在我發覺到哪個地方譬如你們講要電而不設電廠要處理垃圾或是廢棄土的問題大家都不需要在他的地方"},{"start":5853.439,"end":5869.459,"text":"那我是建議如果重大的計畫如果有國家國會發一個文認為這個地方有需要一定要設立才能促進地方未來整體的發展像現在桃子苗大溪谷計畫"},{"start":5870.8,"end":5895.346,"text":"那麼龐大的一個計畫你的廢棄土還有各種廢棄物的處理一定要去處理要去處理但是地方抗爭那我希望你們在大西湖裡面計畫裡面要提醒到要做這個計畫以前所有的廢棄物的處理一定要做處理廠出來你先試一下地方的政府才會強有力"},{"start":5896.306,"end":5922.003,"text":"不然現在到處都在抗爭你們說促進社會的發展計劃審議的協調其實以你們的高度下去講為什麼我們要核定這個對地方有什麼需要到底對地方有沒有產生一種傷害或是損害的都要列的清清直直給大家不然再推展會造一道很大的困難"},{"start":5923.064,"end":5942.029,"text":"因為都模糊不清成年大使計畫每一個計畫裡面都應該跟我設置這些東西我才給你們過就沒有話講好不好這一點可能細節看起來是細節但是對於計畫的推動都很重要好請劉主委來做答案"},{"start":5943.951,"end":5971.719,"text":"好這個那委員特別提到這個龍魚店這個怎麼樣去讓讓這個大家可以比較能接受這個是我們今年的重點計劃我們已經有有有幾個計劃就是希望讓龍店之這個龍店之間有一些示範案場讓大家可以看到比較好的成效那魚店的部分我們現在也探尋了幾個不錯的案例那同時我們也在寫"},{"start":5972.699,"end":6000.175,"text":"協助協商這個農業部跟經濟部,譬如說,呃,農電業者不需要再去再去養魚了,讓漁卿可以免費利用這個地方來養魚,那我們會,呃,是不是我們也,呃,整理一個書面報告,呃,給賴委員,那另外在這個陳委員提到的,像桃竹苗這些,我們會有一個書面報告,也會帶一點小行動,那我們也會跟您來做一個說明,"},{"start":6002.427,"end":6004.068,"text":"主席的提案是在3月4日改成主決議。"},{"start":6022.564,"end":6034.512,"text":"主席我的案子是33案33案我們是可以支持但是他要提出一個書面報告看對整個擴大台灣對全球經濟的影響力的一個報告這個我可以改成主決議"},{"start":6035.891,"end":6055.401,"text":"三十三案改組結那三十五案我們是在提到要吸引國際的那個IC設計的這個創新的團隊能夠到我們臺灣來設計研發一些能量那可是我們看到這所有的資料來顯示說像112年的話它的產值大概是352億的美元占全球的21.3%"},{"start":6057.623,"end":6078.783,"text":"雖然是名列第二但是跟美國相比的話還是差了三倍那這一部分的話必須要有提升的一些報告那尤其是我們國發會他們樂觀的看待說未來的發展會提升到40%那這一部分我們希望他也給我們精進的一個書面報告所以在這邊我先凍結了一千萬"},{"start":6082.977,"end":6096.84,"text":"這個國家為了促進產業發展這個計畫相當重要那事實上包括現在的AI、人工智慧包括IC設計這些都很重要但過去這些東西多數是在偏北部那我們看到亞洲矽谷的計畫3.0的計畫裡面我們看到了"},{"start":6099.581,"end":6114.541,"text":"整個在北部或在林口這邊有做的相當多那我們認為其實應該還是要思考這個均衡上的發展所以我凍結150萬我希望國防會提出更嚴謹的一個思考之後然後提分報告再行解凍"},{"start":6116.426,"end":6131.446,"text":"本期提的是第30案當初這個提案的時候經過那個國發會有來辦公室說我本來有個點是說行政院還沒核定你們有來說明說已經有了所以我會把這個"},{"start":6133.428,"end":6151.176,"text":"本來要凍結的改成主結議可是我的要求是特別是AI的這個發展上面我要求你們要定這個分臉要把那個執行的那個計畫跟進度有一個具體的這個指標你把這個你的計畫就是我這個提案裡面的這個內容給我一個書面"},{"start":6156.598,"end":6169.331,"text":"楊卓英發言針對於這個產業發展的這個部分我還是想要聽主委你運用這筆預算的方向到底是什麼"},{"start":6169.872,"end":6188.985,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6189.286,"end":6199.745,"text":"還是各自分工還是有跌床駕屋坦白講如果說我們臺灣光光以我中部地區我的中科"},{"start":6202.397,"end":6224.994,"text":"機械類、手工機、工具機、機械類、美林組件這些都是全國最重要的基地如果說只有以這個預算來講真的你幫不了我們產業什麼就剛剛我說的我們的產業自己好辛苦跑到世界各國現在都跑到甚至到印度去都一直在走"},{"start":6225.674,"end":6241.817,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6242.304,"end":6267.25,"text":"有能力的廠商就是如此但是沒有能力的廠商他不知所措這是我在基層非常...非常...有一點...對我們的產業那所以因為我看到這個預算這個...這個...這個目我沒有提案因為我覺得他預算是不夠的但是我不知道你的方向陳如婉剛剛所說的是你這個做還是各部會合著做"},{"start":6268.935,"end":6283.242,"text":"預算是怎麼分配我們在預算書上面看不到看不到因為我的結果論是說我的產業的確需要協助我希望天天主委你的方法怎麼做謝謝"},{"start":6293.557,"end":6319.164,"text":"對的,我在他之後再發言,來謝謝,我想就是說現在其實我們現在似乎加了一個AI然後我們就可以無限上綱然後會有很多的預算可是真的AI怎麼真的帶進到我們整個物聯網的創新發展"},{"start":6321.943,"end":6333.299,"text":"那這個AI到底跟現在我們已經在進行的整個資訊有什麼差別它的升級可以升級到什麼程度"},{"start":6334.79,"end":6338.171,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":6358.78,"end":6359.4,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":6381.324,"end":6404.264,"text":"這個物聯網的創新發展我們的強化的重點會是著重哪裡因為這邊總共編了4億多那前面因為有AI那有4億多那問題是這4億多我們要怎麼去幫忙產業幫忙這個物聯網因為這個有很清楚寫到就是物聯網"},{"start":6405.871,"end":6419.348,"text":"那要怎麼幫他是不是可以說明一下那有些哪些人可以進入到這個載門因為4億多現在看是很大可是實質上如果要到產業是很小"},{"start":6420.563,"end":6438.242,"text":"所以我們看的是瓦加的AI有4億多可是真的回歸到這個產業大家分的是很少很少那這個載門我們大家怎麼進去我想這個我們是比較希望去聽到一些方向跟目標 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這個郭部長是我邀請他去的那我也在邀請這個主委去跟中南部的微中小企業或者工會做一些座談瞭解說這個從國會角度可以怎麼樣協助包委員會是不是這樣子我衷心大家的意見整個第5幕的部分我們凍結千萬第5幕關於凍結千萬提出書面報告各項書面報告提出書面報告的時候使得動之"},{"start":6737.279,"end":6762.757,"text":"指揮 凍結新聞好 是來 我們處理第6目的部分第6目是從36案到49案36案到49案主席的提案在48案我改成是一個主決議各提案委員有沒有意見來 楊瓊玲之後張喜凱 張喜凱之後李玉琳"},{"start":6764.302,"end":6780.52,"text":"謝主席、楊軒發言本席的提案是42案也就是促進人力資源發展推動人口及移民政策強化延攬國際人才那這個部分本席在委員會的時候也跟主委討論過"},{"start":6781.821,"end":6790.347,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":6810.94,"end":6825.509,"text":"其他國家不講難民其他國家就可以進來算到人數到的時候他就又把圍牆關起來他是用這樣子去補足他美國基本盤的一個人口數量的一個基礎美國是如此"},{"start":6826.189,"end":6854.412,"text":"那亞洲地區像日本他就不是如此他只要你要移民的話那你必須要有整套你要律師醫師他整個給你控管但是似乎到我們臺灣我們對於整個人口的跟移民政策我們沒有方向我們也沒有限制比如說早期到澳大利亞的鳳凰城幾乎都是金融界去都經濟給不起最後在那裡尾巴完"},{"start":6855.152,"end":6858.153,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":6880.942,"end":6903.526,"text":"那第二個就是人力資源的方面那經濟部長也一直說從原先的3000個這個工程師引進的這個這個外資投資的部分那現在又改為1500個我也不了解因為我們沒有看到內容只有給我們數字由原先的3000個改為1500個我問我問了部長一句話我說那到底我們自己這國我們中華民國我們的"},{"start":6909.847,"end":6913.051,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院總預算部分關於行政院基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":6926.528,"end":6926.648,"text":"第2項第3項第4項"},{"start":6942.631,"end":6946.594,"text":"建設基金、離島建設基金、花東地區建設基金、離島建設基金、花東地區建設基金、離島建設基金、花東地區建設基金、離島建設基金、花東地區建設基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":6967.188,"end":6969.529,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":6985.794,"end":6986.895,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算基金、離島建設基金、花東地區委員會及所屬單位預算基金、花東地區"},{"start":7012.774,"end":7041.181,"text":"我們要怎麼樣去搶人如果你從你的法律面、制度面你沒有去改你永遠找不到像那個朋友他還說我想要回去英國我千萬不要千萬不要你的太太孩子都在這裡所以我們還在幫他努力那我覺得這麼好的條件為什麼我們不行把這個人才留住呢我們應該要有彈性的處理我希望做整盤整體的一個規劃所以這個部分我本來我很生氣因為我得不到答案"},{"start":7041.681,"end":7063.336,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":7063.649,"end":7091.66,"text":"本席提的是第37案促進人力資源這個發展預算數是9181萬市場價解決的就是剛剛楊瓊英、楊偉文提的我們全世界都在搶國際人才那省紀部在112年的決算審核報告他提出了兩個方法就是他解決剛剛楊瓊英、楊偉文講的第一個他說國發會有成立一個資料庫"},{"start":7093.841,"end":7121.122,"text":"要把這個怎麼樣去延攬國際關鍵人才還有提供外籍人士在台工作前方位的諮詢服務還有充實這個資料庫那省紀部很清楚地說這部分做得不夠要強化這是第一個提的第二個問題是這牽扯到各個部會那國發會在整合跟整合方面這部分可能也要再加強所以本席非常具體的提案我們先凍結"},{"start":7122.903,"end":7146.218,"text":"凍結預算的十分之一然後呢我們去強化跟解決剛剛省紀部所提出來這兩個問題就是這個海外人才資料庫的建立要再強化你怎麼強化提出來第二個各個部會之間整合怎麼整合提出來之後報告完之後我們再解凍這十分之一的預算謝謝下一位請李玲 李玲社區議員再來我好不好"},{"start":7147.782,"end":7148.864,"text":"好,我的案子是40跟40"},{"start":7153.677,"end":7181.442,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":7181.482,"end":7189.167,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":7210.721,"end":7231.667,"text":"發展空間所以我們希望我們國發會在這邊最整體的這個情形跟就業金卡的使用跟如何在這個就業金卡可以讓他們工作上可以更加友善或是居住的環境各方面能夠讓他們有意願留在我們台灣來做一個發展這個部分也給我們個書面報告這邊我們就可以減動的為1000萬"},{"start":7238.498,"end":7238.818,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7268.23,"end":7293.288,"text":"現在請陳婷筠、陳婷筠、鄭俊賢、鄭俊賢、鄭若龍謝謝主席我想我們是有在做可是我們要怎麼能夠達到我們的目標我們也特別成立了個中心去做一站式的服務但是呢包括我們去處理外國人才來台的申請程序其實這個已經解決了很多人的問題"},{"start":7294.269,"end":7296.55,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":7315.875,"end":7333.847,"text":"這為什麼這就很奇怪以前沒有這樣的一個一戰式服務可能你說因為很多的資料或是很多的申請然後每個單位的關卡不清楚不了解那現在我們既然有一戰式了那怎麼會我們的績效還沒有達標"},{"start":7336.169,"end":7354.252,"text":"所以我認為說大家是希望能夠真正把外國人才引進到台灣讓台灣的企業能夠用最快速互相銜接把我們的整個企業體的量能做大"},{"start":7355.193,"end":7382.369,"text":"這也是我們一直期待說這個國際人才能夠來到台灣然後在我們修法的過程當中能夠做得更經濟然後所以我認為說我們應該還可以做得更好所以我認為說應該先動靜但是我是書面報告即可動之我也是5%然後可動之那另外一個部分可能就是說我們一些修法"},{"start":7383.376,"end":7385.798,"text":"主管：行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":7413.666,"end":7436.519,"text":"好,謝謝各位,之前請知情人之後,待會有人之後就請主委總統答覆。在第6目這邊的時候,所以本期這邊有兩個案,第一個是第41案跟第44案。那第41案這邊最主要是因為,台灣的勞動市場的世界競爭力連續3年都退步。那我們要如何提升台灣的吸引外國人才來台灣的部分競爭力的時候,我們希望有更清楚的一個"},{"start":7437.039,"end":7437.64,"text":"第2目暨國家發展委員會及所屬單位預算"},{"start":7455.157,"end":7477.332,"text":"增加國際人才的延攬跟人口移民政策這部分其實我們確實是很擔心因為台灣少子化問題真的越來越嚴重那基金部這邊表示說未來5年光是在AI這個產業就要有20萬人的一個投入那裡面有很大一部分一定是針對國際人才的延攬那我們看到那Ten Taiwan這部分的時候"},{"start":7478.052,"end":7479.653,"text":"等到國防部向本委員提出詳細說明後,我們再予以動之。"},{"start":7494.884,"end":7521.454,"text":"好,接下來賴榮,賴榮之後請主委答覆好,謝謝齁,我想國發會,包括劉主委,其實任務是很重大的啦齁特別是在少子化的議題,雖然賴總統跟卓院長加大力道但是我認為其實還有很大的空間啦齁這個當然會成為將來台灣很大的國安上的問題那我希望主委這邊跟國發會要加大這個力道啦齁更提出更好的一些方案出來,孩子國家養"},{"start":7522.374,"end":7538.08,"text":"國家一起養這件事情要把它更跨部會見更落實這個跨部會見一定要需要有國發會用更高的一個高度政委的高度小內閣的這個高度去做處理那另外一個當然就是攬財的部分我們的人才需求持續在"},{"start":7540.341,"end":7559.37,"text":"主委來自企業界我相信你也很清楚知道人才關係到國家的競爭力關係到國家的未來發展但是我們的國家的整個政策上面我認為還可以再更開放一點更積極一點那我認為這個也應該都是賴總統跟左院長非常關切的兩大議題那我希望"},{"start":7561.972,"end":7585.528,"text":"凍結60萬那也期盼把這兩大議題逐位盤點過後提出你更具體一些想法給委員會給我這邊那甚至有些該涉及到修法的那就提出來齁我認為大家期盼的是新的政府上來之後大波大力的去解決掉一些問題齁那勺子花問題纜財問題都是急迫的問題齁企業界需求人才的問題非常嚴重那我們希望"},{"start":7586.769,"end":7610.15,"text":"國會展現出高度,提出一份好的說明報告,然後來落實、來執行。好,這個在主委來討論之前,我講一下,這個我提一個案子,提一個法律案是少子女化對策法,那是參考日本的立法例,我也希望說能夠讓少子女對策化,能夠讓法制化,"},{"start":7610.931,"end":7630.041,"text":"所以是不是主委可以去研究是不是有我們台灣的版本把針對少子化的問題用法律相關的形式來做相關的包括預算包括執行面包括地方政府如何配合是不是研究有一個行政院的版本好那請這個主委重重答覆"},{"start":7633.919,"end":7646.549,"text":"好,謝謝,楊委員對於人力的關注是非常感謝,我們也會去參考美麗的做法,坦白講我們也參考也收集了很多的資料"},{"start":7648.691,"end":7674.112,"text":"我們會針對包括人力資源培訓跟如何去吸引更多的人您這些要求我們都會整理一個書面報告另外您特別提到的臺中建民研區這個案例我想是不是我們再跟委員辦公室請教一下我們看看是不是能夠透過這個案例的了解我們可以為更多的人一起把這些問題可以解決得更好"},{"start":7676.013,"end":7698.489,"text":"那另外在那個張委員特別提到我們的資料庫的部分其實我們是多元在找啦資料庫只是我們其中的一部分目前是占12%在人才進來的部分但是我們怎麼去整合這些多元的通路我想委員指導的很對啦我們會去書面上跟您報告一下我們如何去優化我們的這個"},{"start":7699.898,"end":7720.227,"text":"整合面跟資料庫的發展再來呂委員特別提到我們人口的減少跟青少年的部分我們這邊會找陳時中政委跟衛福部等單位我們會再來整理一個書面報告給呂委員也包括我們攬財跟流財的計畫"},{"start":7723.808,"end":7739.753,"text":"一起順便報告那邱委員提到我們應該再加強也是我們會把我們加強的做法也也會整理給邱委員那陳委員提到外國人才的服務跟績效指標的部分那我們的確這個績效指標我們會也提出一個改善的做法"},{"start":7740.433,"end":7762.111,"text":"要把量能做大跟吸引更多人才還有修法的部分那修法的部分也報告一下我們其實在前天我們在院有報告我們的新的法案還有很多的意見要再探討所以院長只是下個禮拜再開一次原則上我們會應該不會拖很久我們就會把我們的法案給送出來"},{"start":7764.012,"end":7790.394,"text":"這個我們也會把這相關的資料我們用書面的跟陳委員報告然後另外在這個政委員提到這個勞動力的退步的確勞動力在IMD裡面是退步了那本會是負責人口的部分人口的部分是進步了兩名然後從這個排名第20到第18那但是勞動的確有表現的不夠好所以我們會與勞動部共同整理一份報告給這個政委員"},{"start":7791.636,"end":7808.414,"text":"包括這裡面也會把我們的人才跟這個移民的新的做法我們來跟各位報告一下那這個這個賴委員提到少子化跟要加大力度跟跨部會合作跟攬財我們這些也會有一個書面報告其實包括我們有現在有用的大數據"},{"start":7809.375,"end":7822.719,"text":"在做。那我們發現像IC設計這些人才是在美國跟印度最多我們美國已經辦了一個現場說明會我們希望這些台灣人能夠回來那我們辦三場其實有300個人有興趣來聽怎麼回到台灣那這個其實這些回來都是很高階人才那我們的處長其實昨天出發到印度那這兩個地方去印度攬柴"},{"start":7834.062,"end":7852.415,"text":"因爲這兩個地方都是很重要的所以我們有些新的做法我們會跟委員們報告我們如何去改善那邱委員提到這個少子女化的對策我們一定會去做一個整體的規劃因爲我禮拜一下午有跟院長特別報告這個事那他也認為應該要往提高成"},{"start":7854.616,"end":7857.758,"text":"第11屆第2會期經濟委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院所屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":7880.217,"end":7882.078,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":8393.9,"end":8415.607,"text":"好請一位同仁請回座來現在我們繼續開會我們處理接下來處理第7幕的部分健全國土規劃及經營管理那本期的提案在6、11案改組決議另外就70案的部分也改成組決議提案委員有沒有"},{"start":8424.23,"end":8433.113,"text":"第7目本席一共提了三個案子五二跟五三跟五四三個案子都非常重要第一個是這個牽扯到"},{"start":8434.423,"end":8450.698,"text":"建全國土規劃跟經營管理那這段時間引起很大爭議的就是國土計畫轉軌他現在面臨的法令制度跟功能分期發射還有配套措施這些問題包括現在國土計畫法相關的這個執法都沒有完備"},{"start":8451.839,"end":8474.458,"text":"農一跟農二這個發射議題還有農政資源的這個議題跟原民地區的這個發射都還有非常多問題包括目前灰都市土地開發許可他怎麼去轉軌然後這個整個資源怎麼去整合都有疑義所以如果貿然去實施的話包括就會出現很多的重大影響所以本席要求先"},{"start":8476.3,"end":8484.128,"text":"凍結這邊十分之一的這個預算請這個國發會針對剛剛本席所提這個問題慎重來處理提出一個報告那另外第二個提案53案"},{"start":8486.417,"end":8502.501,"text":"前瞻預算依照審計部的結算報告他說前瞻計畫的第一期到第三期目前為止很多的預算都還是保留沒有完整的然後最新年度很多都轉到113年度繼續執行就高達70億7457萬"},{"start":8511.911,"end":8531.683,"text":"那為什麼會這樣呢?雖然已經一二三期已經到現在都很久了有些已經五年有些三年已經一年了可是有部分都還停留在可行性評估作業還有有些還在招標有些是工程這個進度都是落後的我們請這個國發會要去盯著他們這個進度要去檢討說為什麼到目前還停留在"},{"start":8533.224,"end":8559.286,"text":"這個已經有些都過5年就過3年了進度落後這麼多那前3期之外現在最近是第4期特別預算到113年今年第二季截止的時候包括勞動部有12個機關這個計畫的這個實現力連8成都沒有到請這個國發會特別注意一下提出一個書面的這個報告另外第三個是地方創生的這個問題"},{"start":8561.445,"end":8588.218,"text":"地方創生國家站內計畫從108年開始推動可是我去看了一下到113年的7月底優先推出的這個地區還有30個地方到現在都沒提案我再重複一次有30個地區到現在都還沒有提案而且目前通過的地方創生計畫裡面提案單位沒有提出申請或者是申請以後主動去測案的竟然高達三成"},{"start":8592.183,"end":8599.388,"text":"29.20%接近三成所以裏面有出了很多的問題那地方創生非常重要所以我要求這邊先凍結10%請國發會盡快提出解決方案提一個報告給我謝謝"},{"start":8607.101,"end":8607.281,"text":"姜蕙琳議員"},{"start":8630.211,"end":8633.894,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院所屬單位預算部分關於行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":8653.823,"end":8654.525,"text":"第1項第2項第3項第4項"},{"start":8661.127,"end":8688.694,"text":"那那個法媒如果萬一有被延了那這要怎麼辦那如果沒有的話那我們的重點又是在哪裡我想了解的這個部分所以我有提案所以你會在這裡面就會好像整個計劃當中到底你是要溝通什麼要加強什麼你就會有點重心跟重點會抓不到所以要拜託這個部分要回答一下謝謝"},{"start":8690.524,"end":8707.83,"text":"李玲柔、楊瓊瑛我的提案也是針對於這個地方的創生因為我們現在人口都過度集中在這個都市地方區域的發展就失衡會越來越嚴重那在行政院在108到113年也提出了地方的創生計畫那現在我們國發會在114到117也提出了地方的永續創生的計畫"},{"start":8715.273,"end":8729.762,"text":"但是在134個區域的那個鄉鎮來提出這個推動創生優先推動的這個計畫但是我們看到地方政府的提量非常的不足我們應該去了解他有什麼困難需要協助的面臨的什麼挑戰"},{"start":8730.703,"end":8750.916,"text":"才能夠讓我們的這提案能夠更加的具有地方性跟代表性應該好好的來瞭解這個狀況讓我們的整個地方創生工作可以來順利推展所以我希望我們國防會能夠提出一些精進的一些報告跟協助的方案才能讓地方都來踴躍的提案那在這邊的話我們凍結3000萬好 謝謝下一位楊瓊英、楊建制、陳少明"},{"start":8757.316,"end":8758.317,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":8772.887,"end":8789.026,"text":"本席提案是58案本來我是說要簡略10%我現在改成主決議但是我還是要提醒因為我們現在還有一個很大的金箍罩也就是內政部"},{"start":8790.227,"end":8815.74,"text":"國土計劃法那本席提案還有很多的委員藍綠的委員都希望公告的時間由4年調整為6年甚至還有認為要7年的就是延長2年或3年因為在地方還有很多的縣市政府還沒有辦法充分的去規劃出來所以當地方政府執行者還是地方政府當他沒有辦法規劃出來的時候"},{"start":8816.584,"end":8818.406,"text":"公司公司公司公司公司公司公司"},{"start":8834.324,"end":8834.744,"text":"全體委員會及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":8854.471,"end":8879.345,"text":"因為時間馬上到了到明年的4月20那到底要怎麼做我是建請我們的國發會因為大家的心聲在立法院裡頭藍綠白的委員都希望要延長但是我似乎看到目前內政部是不演似乎看到那我非常希望說就因為國發會主委是心臟啊是頭腦啊政府啊你比較有難啊"},{"start":8880.425,"end":8905.321,"text":"您要去說到底要怎麼做就成了我們面對到的陳情案做到一半的是不算還是要算繼續連這些問題都非常困擾我們非常的困擾我們所以我就我願意把它改為主決議但是我建請主委我們的困難國土到底你政府新的政策明年4月份馬上要到了要怎麼做"},{"start":8906.061,"end":8931.904,"text":"要怎麼做?請告訴我們三個議題第一個,申請案做到一半的算不算?第二個,縣市政府還沒有上來規劃的,要怎麼處理?你不要法執行了人家都還沒有規劃上來,你不要讓他准這個是問題非常的大所以我建議我願意改為主決議但是你請去理清楚,換你去問清楚告訴我們,好嗎?謝謝"},{"start":8936.784,"end":8962.636,"text":"陳昌明、陳昌明之後戴綠榮今天我們這個預算是討論健全國土規劃及經營管理那大家都談到地方創生那地方創生是一個戰略的計畫那一般人都以為我這個計畫來馬上有錢他是逐步推展"},{"start":8963.635,"end":8991.115,"text":"第二、地方的人士一定要了解地方的需要跟發展最先要有概念但是我跟職委講以鄉鎮工作的能力沒有辦法做除了那個鄉鎮長很有心去推動那現在六都以外的縣市政府人力真的不止他有文明專輯各自個人盲個人所以在推地方創生是一個非常好"},{"start":8992.402,"end":9016.537,"text":"值得一個推動那我這幾年還要我聯繫的當選連任立法委員我對地方我算是很了解的人每一個地方怎麼做你一定要去跟他們講地方的需求要聽了以後才能判斷但是在基層的地方他只有現行的工程做了他覺得這樣可以其實不是這樣"},{"start":9017.638,"end":9045.76,"text":"縣政府有沒有薪也是非常重要所以我在處理苗栗縣大概有兩個地方創生可以說是非常非常成功那我首先要感謝我們的黃處長他時那時來做什麼專員的時候我看他到每個地方去都站在旁邊公路級、水保級誰都進來他在旁邊原來主要的角色在他"},{"start":9046.581,"end":9062.333,"text":"但是他又不好意思講因為你們手中沒有錢所以我說一定要規劃費用那我們做這個規劃當初我說你鄉鎮公所或是縣政府你要撥一筆錢好好的去規劃另外一點"},{"start":9064.226,"end":9083.367,"text":"我要提醒你們找了委託外面的專家來他專家來了一下才沒有實地考察沒有真正了解看那個地方就講這個樹木要種什麼地方創生不是這樣要有整體的規劃所以在地方創生裡面真的要堅持去做你才能得到一個圓滿結果我覺得"},{"start":9085.609,"end":9100.895,"text":"我最近很不適應地方創始然後我親自去與福島親自去推動現在把那兩個地方改造的可以說是苗栗縣最有名的一個觀光跟一個休閒的景區而且帶動了很多的人才我是把我的經驗講出來"},{"start":9102.415,"end":9127.751,"text":"所以在國土計畫是因為黃處長你不要看他這樣默默不怎麼講話但是實際是腳踏實地在做的所謂地方創生這一派是要地方真的有心有力的人士要有創意的人士要對企業能了解的時候才能推動一個好的地方創生所以我主張啊這個動靜要動一下司令報告就可以了"},{"start":9128.712,"end":9147.613,"text":"那國土計劃法剛剛大家談到那你們一直在講公正轉型現在的國土計劃法是不公正的轉型欸 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劉志偉我會記得跟你聊天你有種過田嗎?你有沒有種田過?"},{"start":9150.463,"end":9169.657,"text":"小時候有參與我阿公的那應該有中還是你是在都市計劃我現在問你有都市計劃都市外你知道嗎我知道現在最重要這個國土計劃都依照現況每一個現況不一樣"},{"start":9172.973,"end":9194.853,"text":"這個國土計畫法把農業的縣市變成農奴的一個縣市沒有發展,農一、農二其實已經改變了很多這裏面你要叫我做國家糧食的安全為什麼要我那個農業縣市來負責任為什麼台北市、新北市、桃園市、台中市不負責任"},{"start":9196.758,"end":9219.014,"text":"這都不對的觀念大家以為喜歡種田,大家不喜歡種田都等著看我這個田地有沒有辦法去變更、去計劃才能那個來沒那麼偉大,人性沒有那麼偉大所以這個計劃你裡面講到國土區域離島發展政策"},{"start":9220.029,"end":9247.065,"text":"以公共建設計畫之審議協調你的責任審議協調這個國土計畫如果你現在給它過你們執政黨馬上倒你沒有想到農民我是講的很實際執行台大電機系畢業的都在點頭贊成啊他們不敢講我大膽替他們講出來啊你們也要勇敢跳出來人生的爭議沒有幾次所以國土計畫法確確實實"},{"start":9249.793,"end":9263.371,"text":"大家反對我跟你講為什麼這個法是國民黨過的民進黨執政8年了不推動現在新的內政院部長要表現他的魄力也沒有協調怎麼樣就說到幾月幾號要來擺寫"},{"start":9266.054,"end":9287.388,"text":"談到了不會啦我把事情講出來啦你站起來叫我不要講話我們替農民都講我曉得你們的苦衷在哪裡啦好不好八年都不做了到現在上任來要做也沒有到地方去輔導去宣傳連縣政府都不曉得這個計畫要怎麼做大家都在打明文章偷貨"},{"start":9288.248,"end":9313.997,"text":"那真的要做就好好的規劃兩年到各縣市去談把這個國土計畫包括農業的政策都要改變這是好的六度而已我們農業縣市會越來越善我希望你們站在那個審議跟協調尤其協調你們出來一定要出來協調這點你稍微加強"},{"start":9318.258,"end":9341.145,"text":"要注意一下你國土計畫41國化會最重要的一個任務在這邊不然說我要推動國土計畫法案過了你就不理其實這國土計畫真的很爛走到哪裡所有的農民都擔心拜託一下多關心一下謝謝你上來我聽你講完話可以了"},{"start":9344.54,"end":9365.172,"text":"講完了是吧?我站起來是跟您致敬我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我只要講到執政黨你就要站起來我"},{"start":9368.124,"end":9387.214,"text":"那下面有麥文之後張旗楷之後就請這個劉主委來中央答覆好謝謝齁我想地方創生對於國家的均衡發展非常重要啦齁那但是我們來看到齁其實特別是在一些地方創生的優先地區也是比較偏向比較需要照顧的一些地區"},{"start":9387.994,"end":9409.148,"text":"那提案的部分反倒是有將近3年之間是沒有辦法順利來提案那包括在國發會的執行地方創生的三、四期的預算執行率也只有53.09這個相當的低所以我是認為國發會可能還是要請主委這邊要更加積極主動他對於通常會到地方創生就希望均衡發展"},{"start":9410.289,"end":9438.447,"text":"相對於偏鄉還有中南部提案能力都比較弱他本身需要國發會加大力道你們要更主動積極接觸不管是鄉鎮、市公所或者區或者是地方的團隊要協助他們他們才有辦法順利的去進行這樣一個提案這對地方的人才留下來或者是返鄉都會有很大的幫助這也是地方創生的目的所以我希望主委這邊要持續加大力道你從剛剛那個只有53"},{"start":9441.149,"end":9460.006,"text":"點09這個樣的執行率真的是偏低啦齁那另外包括優先區域照理說優先區域應該要盡力的推動它就有將近三分之一是沒辦法提出案子來的所以我希望主委重視這個問題加大那個力道齁我們希望各個地方能夠均衡發展啊這裡面當然中南部跟偏鄉會特別明顯齁中南部一樣跟"},{"start":9460.806,"end":9480.024,"text":"很多的國家計劃一樣,中南部的提案能力相對都有一些我希望要大力的支持他們、輔導他們直接到地方上直接跟他們溝通、協助他們把案子提出來我認為這個對於地方穿深會有很大的幫助所以我提了一些動議的部分也希望主委來加大這個力道了好,謝謝好,下一位請張綺凱"},{"start":9485.196,"end":9509.517,"text":"好,這個第7目的第二節啊這個項目叫做永續發展計畫之協調推動我看這個國發會在去年底啊112年12月提出了110年台灣永續發展目標年度的總檢討報告啊,內地啊他有80項的指標結果啊有43項沒有達標"},{"start":9512.455,"end":9536.571,"text":"有43項,三個指標沒有達標其中有6項是連續4年都沒有達標特別是道路交通事故死亡的人數另外一個是臺灣人權歷史戒嚴時期不易移植的參訪跟參議的人數道路交通事故死亡人數不只沒有減"},{"start":9538.035,"end":9561.257,"text":"一時還在递增那今年前10個月還要往上走這個很嚴重他已經是連續4年沒有達標了那第二個這個也很嚴重台灣人權歷史戒嚴時期不義遺址的參訪已經連續4年沒有達標了這兩天最熱門的也是大家最關注的南韓以習業總統的短命宣布戒嚴"},{"start":9562.523,"end":9589.158,"text":"因為對南韓的經濟、人權、自由、民主衝擊非常大現在可能被彈劾然後人民現在在街頭上可是我們台灣也有一些人竟然也主張是要戒嚴的這個跟你沒有落實台灣人權歷史戒嚴時期不亦已止的這個參訪應該也有一個關係所以我本席具體的這個要求具體的這個要求我們先凍結二分之一的預算"},{"start":9590.134,"end":9601.26,"text":"然後請國發會針對怎麼樣降低道路交通事故死亡人數還有臺灣人權歷史戒嚴時期不易移植的參訪跟參與的這個人數"},{"start":9604.332,"end":9621.739,"text":"不要又發生臺灣還有某些人要去學南韓的總統尹錫業要宣布戒嚴衝擊影響到我們臺灣的自由民主跟人權還有經濟發展甚至鬧著國際笑話我們先凍結二分之一算請最近就提出解決方案跟報告謝謝"},{"start":9623.288,"end":9652.106,"text":"好 那個主委還沒回答覆之前這個均衡臺灣一定要落實在政策規劃跟政策執行均衡臺灣這四個字就是大家主要關心的不是偏住偏鄉或是都會區偏鄉就沒有照顧不是中是在北部中南部卻相對比較忽略所以均衡臺灣這個一定要在政策上政策規劃跟政策執行上讓大家都可以感受到好 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交給賴栩榮賴栩榮之後請這個主委做答案"},{"start":10641.806,"end":10660.375,"text":"好這個績效管理很重要的特別他是在追蹤院的一些重大列管事項但是我覺得其實很多績效是不髒的像比如說舉個例子大臨埔遷村從這個9年前林全院長去為了過去政府的作為鞠躬道歉之後啟動遷村的程序5年前蘇院長合併了經費之後"},{"start":10662.276,"end":10682.017,"text":"現在過了5年了遲遲進展相當的緩慢這件事情我看不到國發會在管考上面扮演到了很好、積極上的一個角色包括跨部會間的一些協調包括像這個國道7號從10幾年前就規劃跟七櫃要來進行就第7個中心今年都已經啟用了就國道7號"},{"start":10682.978,"end":10683.158,"text":"第1項第2項第3項第4項第5項"},{"start":10706.002,"end":10718.548,"text":"重大的建設、院長、院級的這個建設然後不斷的拖延、不斷的延宕我認為這個是很不恰當的齁所以我要求凍結100萬提書面包號再行解凍好 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呃 李委員跟張委員我們是不是折衷一下我們動1000就好了好不好好 第4幕我們凍結1000萬提出書面報告使得凍資"},{"start":12136.78,"end":12165.061,"text":"好,我們這個國家會跟所屬預算的提案大概已經處理完畢那基金你要現在先處理這個先讀那個結論之後我們下午再處理基金這個我們繼續宣讀協商結論針對國家會的部分那基金基金我們這個下午我想一下"},{"start":12167.037,"end":12172.817,"text":"下午1點半1點半我們繼續審查我們先唸行政決論"},{"start":12174.827,"end":12194.812,"text":"第1案預算照列第2案檢列300萬元第3、4案凍結100萬元提出書面報告後使得動之第4案改組決議第5案到14案第2目凍結50萬元提出書面報告後使得動之第13案改組決議第15案到25案第3目凍結100萬元提出書面報告後使得動之第22、25案改為組決議"},{"start":12204.915,"end":12217.701,"text":"第26、27案第4目凍結60萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第28至35案第5目凍結1000萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第30案、33案、34案改為主決議第36至49案第6目凍結500萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第48案改為主決議"},{"start":12231.448,"end":12240.351,"text":"第50案至71案第7目凍結1000萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資令向下02分支參酌63案凍結200萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第58案、61案、65案、70案改為主決議"},{"start":12250.794,"end":12276.496,"text":"第72至78案第8目凍結100萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第76案、78案改為主決議第79案第10目預算照列第80至82案第11目預算照列主決議部分83至86案修正通過87案至96案照案通過96案之一第三行重複關鍵兩次刪除"},{"start":12278.718,"end":12303.88,"text":"修正通過96之二案照案通過第97至101案第2目凍結100萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第102至108案第4目凍結1000萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資宣讀完畢好謝謝請問各位同仁有委員提案的部分照剛才宣讀的協商結論通過沒有提案的部分均照列請問有一"},{"start":12305.973,"end":12314.882,"text":"好,沒有議員通過好,我們現在休息一下午一點半繼續審查基金好,謝謝昭偉,謝謝各位委員,謝謝"},{"start":18473.771,"end":18475.932,"text":"議案到第17案"},{"start":18504.049,"end":18509.333,"text":"提案委員﹑本席﹑亭飛﹑天才"},{"start":18525.499,"end":18541.048,"text":"主委好謝謝昭偉各位委員午安我們針對這個1至17各項投資有3點針對委員的這個要求我們有3點說明就是第一個我們在投資部分113年10月底執行數為86.2億執行率是69%那預計到年底我們會認列文創方案投資11億"},{"start":18550.333,"end":18554.737,"text":"也會任列服務業及製造業方案投資3.8億那也會撥付創投事業投資款4億總執行數預估為105.49億執行率會達到84%"},{"start":18565.828,"end":18583.634,"text":"那這個114年將會配合國家產業發展持續辦理投資業務那主要是在我們希望能夠把這個信賴無產業把AI這些各種產業無人機等等去進行推動之外我們也會強化創業投資跟創業團隊的培養那包括創業天使"},{"start":18587.575,"end":18608.604,"text":"的投資跟專案我們也會強化那另外在校園基金部分我們也會強化我們現在除了台大成立之外我們也交大等等我們都在洽談中那另外產業再造基金去協助產業翻轉的基金我們也已經送件了現在正在審核中"},{"start":18609.404,"end":18616.007,"text":"另外我們也會提供醫療智慧醫療創新創業的計劃資金以及加強AI投資新創、綠色成長之外我們針對機器人這些我們稍微比較落後的產業我們也會請國會協助來帶動另外一個基金"},{"start":18630.294,"end":18634.537,"text":"然後給予比較大的投資我們希望透過這些的投資能夠讓臺灣未來的產業能夠轉型的比較快、比較成功那這也懇請各位委員支持那再來委員們關切我們內經內控治理的問題其實國發基金他原來在"},{"start":18646.125,"end":18663.793,"text":"三階段的審核裡面因為都是由外部的評審我們國家基金並沒有參與所以在內清內控在管理上面基本上獨立性是很清楚的但是問題是在於我們被投資的公司會出現一些有些董事運作跟監督管理營運的一些狀況"},{"start":18664.833,"end":18666.375,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、花東地區"},{"start":18684.213,"end":18704.98,"text":"也懇請各位給我們一些預算因為我們現在包括有些案子我們現在甚至都都會直接找律師來討論看看有沒有辦法有沒有需要可以採取合法的法律行動因為在這個這個公司法跟這個公司治理裡面他還是以董事跟這個總經理為主要負責人那股東乾政呢"},{"start":18705.62,"end":18734.312,"text":"是一個不被接受的那我們如何又能夠去管理又能夠達到我們的管理目的所以我們很需要一些律師的支持所以我們大概從這幾個地方會去做強化那以上報告主委是這樣我有提案我提兩案那個你128億分4個投資項目職業投資、創業投資跟加強中小企業另外是創業天使創業天使我一直覺得你們這個規模實在太少"},{"start":18735.693,"end":18756.031,"text":"中小企業集中在中南部中小企業怎麼去加強投資才邊有益明顯不足我想要求拜託國安會未來針對中小企業投資的實施方案還有創業天使都要加倍"},{"start":18759.025,"end":18783.759,"text":"我是希望這個部分整體的餅要把它做大否則你要怎麼去照顧廣大的中小企業另外創業天使很多時候是年輕的創業家一個8億一個才6億所以我作為提案委員我跟鄭天才都是希望說能夠凍結政委員有兩個提案我們是凍結3千萬好不好"},{"start":18788.609,"end":18810.196,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":18810.536,"end":18830.855,"text":"一併這樣處理,那因為其實我雖然是簡略其實我覺得我們是有一點這個恨也不成綱的感覺因為說真的在國發基金其實我們一直在講說跟邱昭偉一樣對於中小企業跟南部"},{"start":18831.696,"end":18834.239,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":18851.977,"end":18858.541,"text":"中央政府總預算案中央政府總預算案中央政府總預算案中央政府總預算案中央政府總預算案中央政府總預算案中央政府總預算案中央政府總預算案"},{"start":18881.736,"end":18900.971,"text":"我們希望在國發基金這當中一個主決議就是希望他是能夠有一個單一資訊在明年我只要再利用這個機會再提醒一下我們的主委不要忘了因為我主決議我們也會再一次提案就是說希望一月份這個窗口一定要出來"},{"start":18901.92,"end":18931.92,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":18932.06,"end":18951.98,"text":"竟然是高雄、台南沒有一家所以這個我屢試要求你們一定要檢討所以這部分你們設了辦公室但要辦更多的活動讓更多的這些創業貼士能夠了解我們國家基金有這個協助能夠協助他們取得這個第一桶金所以這個部分我具體要求我們跟這個"},{"start":18952.841,"end":18954.542,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":18972.069,"end":18973.911,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金、花東地區"},{"start":18995.552,"end":19022.672,"text":"您的建議非常好要增加但是問題是我們希望我們要先把SOP訂出來就是比例原則要不然我們增加了結果還是都集在集在中北部那我們南部還是一樣沒有我們希望說我們訂了這樣的SOP然後再訂了這個所謂的窗口南部的窗口可以去協助他們怎麼去寫這樣的一個相關計劃因為這件事很奇怪"},{"start":19024.753,"end":19048.833,"text":"不是憑空掉下來的所以去協助他們寫計劃然後進入到你們這個載門載門之後你才能一步一步扶植從最基層扶植到二階扶植到三階我覺得你要把這樣的定出來不是你一睡覺讓他讓他很多錢未必他能夠去負擔或承受你可以把他的樣態變成好多集"},{"start":19049.613,"end":19075.922,"text":"扶植最低級的進到這個門檻然後第二級、第三級這樣子一個企業產業他才有一個很好發揮的空間他也知道他未來的目標值在哪裡這也是我們國發基金我們扶植的重點這個要拜託我們的主委謝謝現在是零,比方說這個南部、中南部是零所以希望說最起碼你明年度要到10%10%啦"},{"start":19079.597,"end":19096.515,"text":"10%這個主委應該可以吧?10%是一定有啦那現在是零欸現在不是零啊那我們是辦公室現在是零但是我們已經在籌設了就是我在這邊承諾我一定會把它設定出來"},{"start":19097.436,"end":19099.118,"text":"國發基金有別於外面基金,外面基金是以賺錢為目的"},{"start":19116.793,"end":19142.943,"text":"那會讓很多年輕人在創業的時候他會很無奈不容易拿到錢所以國家基金是以創新跟轉型為主我們是希望幫助這些年輕人有一個創業的機會但是如果今天我們是用獲利的結果來判斷我們對年輕人的福祉其實對年輕人是不公平的我也希望這個大院在某些地方不要用"},{"start":19143.763,"end":19143.863,"text":"第1項第2項第3項"},{"start":19163.985,"end":19190.604,"text":"但是現在變成是說我們任何一個投資單只要一失利我們就認為被認定是一個有罪的單位那也會讓我們同仁會不太有把不太敢去放一些協助紓困的事情尤其中小企業很需要幫忙的時候所以我們也希望各位委員能夠有機會幫我們多發聲我們一起來幫助有困難的就是當我們的臺灣可以有機會更好來陳立法院議員"},{"start":19195.885,"end":19223.371,"text":"那個主委其實我們要講我剛剛在講就是說你像那個創業天使投資方案你們就要把設定說我今天就是要扶持創新產業所以我才會講你要分好幾階就是說他第一個入門款他進到這個入門款我們要希望達到什麼樣的扶植標準不一定是獲利是他要做出一些成績而不是今天那個"},{"start":19224.464,"end":19226.766,"text":"全體委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":19250.384,"end":19250.804,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算"},{"start":19274.239,"end":19288.85,"text":"這就不是獲利所以你其實我覺得你把它分清楚這樣就會排除外界的疑慮不會說國發基金我就是一定要獲利不是而是我們有很多不一樣的投資方案協助方案"},{"start":19290.161,"end":19315.216,"text":"我覺得你們把它分門別類出來,就可以適宜。我提醒你們,我們質疑的是你的直接投資跟創業投資,那竟然大。所以當然會某種程度你針對直接投資或創業投資會要求你一定的績效。但是很多是政策扶植目的,包括中東基金、中東投資、包括中小企業、包括創業天使。"},{"start":19316.675,"end":19327.944,"text":"政策目的,不是以獲利或營業為主要目的,但我覺得像創業天使,你們最高額都是兩千萬,你們還要有天使投資人一起參與,門檻相對高"},{"start":19337.27,"end":19360.121,"text":"在這個設定門檻的時候同時也要求他未來獲利的可行性的評估所以你們還是用獲利去看所以我覺得像陳廷薇我們講的你們區域直接投資跟創業投資部分你們要抓緊一點好的績效部分但是對於中小企業跟創業天使需要政府資金協助的部分你們這個門檻"},{"start":19362.162,"end":19386.22,"text":"不一定的太高太高的話很多需要幫助的這些創業天使或者是這個中小型企業就沒有辦法獲得國發基金的資金的挹注跟攜注所以這部分我希望說這個國會能夠還有這個職民也在這個一定要確實檢討我已經講了好多次但是卻沒有具體的方案所以我們支持所以是不是就"},{"start":19388.59,"end":19407.166,"text":"綜合大家的意見就是凍結3000萬提出書面報告之後指責凍資來 妍妍我要請教一下那個中小企業的部分要我們預估 主委我們現在幾屆那中小企業很辛苦你去看晚上時間連那個越南店、印尼店"},{"start":19414.428,"end":19416.929,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算"},{"start":19430.919,"end":19433.22,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":19450.401,"end":19451.822,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":19472.13,"end":19496.12,"text":"因為他搶不單單他沒辦法啊他沒辦法顧老公啊所以我們看看日、國、日明年1月份川普上任之後那這些關稅因為他又衍生他上面這個貿易公司沒有拿到單他也沒辦法他也沒辦法顧老公啊那我們已經看到中小企業尤其在產業界"},{"start":19497.613,"end":19524.846,"text":"歐洲外訂最基層的這些還刷好緊張你應該了解吧我們的駐造業還刷它是工業之母但是還刷到今年度來說最少都減過60%還刷沒生意委員會就沒生意了因為它必須要它它沒有底下就沒有了所以連接上衍生經紀店連接上的小吃店"},{"start":19526.266,"end":19529.43,"text":"中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管"},{"start":19545.248,"end":19568.678,"text":"委員我們現在這個部分我們是有編列的這個6億在做這樣的一個投資那剛才其實陳委員跟邱委員都有希望我們把它double就是把這個6億能夠移到12億那我只是趁勢想要表態就是說基金去支持這樣的企業的時候是很高風險的"},{"start":19569.938,"end":19598.608,"text":"但是如果我們現在只要有虧損的案子就會被立法院來查的時候對同仁來講他會很有壓力去資助這些該被資助的人我也是懇請委員將來有機會幫我們多溝通我們願意來增加這個金額大家一起來努力幫助這個產業那很好啊但是你有一部分我不認同啊只要你的說明你的方向是正確的"},{"start":19600.625,"end":19603.616,"text":"有很多像李天使的計畫他懂得獲利"},{"start":19605.587,"end":19607.328,"text":"規定行政院總預算案的成效。"},{"start":19630.439,"end":19657.158,"text":"他就不是只有那一些那一家廠商沒生意阿他連連印尼店就沒生意阿他會阿印尼店沒生意阿你的菜市場也會沒有生意阿你整個消費會萎縮阿阿你消費萎縮你顧家問事欸你消費增加你還可以收稅金阿所以我我我相信你有這個願力希望去做但是我也希望你去盤點哪一些是值得"},{"start":19658.459,"end":19672.45,"text":"需要去協助他的你要大膽闊虎的去做對不對阿不然你說這個我連提案也沒提案啦我怎麼提案我們提案說要給你增加沒有就給你增加我提案給你刪除我不敢"},{"start":19673.553,"end":19692.737,"text":"中小企業只有6億,你是要做什麼?我還是從早上的論點一樣,國發會這麼重要,預算是這樣子,這邊怎麼有競爭力?所以你基金可以去調,我希望可以看到你去調之後的內容"},{"start":19693.24,"end":19710.543,"text":"好啊,我會調整,我也跟你報告這個楊全英委員跟我完全一致啦我希望說明天審的時候那個中小企業能夠6億變12億希望齁,然後創業天使部分我希望你8億也到12億啦齁這你們可以去調整好,那個陳先生、萬用忠我們要處理啦"},{"start":19714.072,"end":19734.242,"text":"主席,主委,我覺得你一直很擔心,其實或許因為每個委員所要求的或是說從媒體當中然後對於同仁的一些質疑,讓很多的同仁不敢去這個非常直接的然後會有一些擔心"},{"start":19734.582,"end":19737.644,"text":"委員會及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院主管及所屬單位預算部分關於行政院基金、離島建設基金、花東地區"},{"start":19760.714,"end":19765.126,"text":"你們把KPI定出來其他的部分另外的KPI又是什麼?"},{"start":19766.072,"end":19767.593,"text":"各項投資的標的跟標準"},{"start":19793.482,"end":19795.604,"text":"公司公司公司公司公司公司公司"},{"start":19808.57,"end":19825.533,"text":"最高只有兩千萬然後有些是只有五百、六百然後你說我一定要要求你要達到你要賺一千萬很好可能啊所以我覺得你要趁這個機會大家的共識另外訂出每一個向的投資的KPI好不好 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決定通過沒有提案的部分均照列請問有異議?無異議,我們通過本市...我突然眼前視線模糊本市通過的決議文資授權主席及議事人員整理114年度國安會預算含非營業基金"},{"start":20810.362,"end":20817.333,"text":"審查完略正式別隨同機關別審查結果調整所列議程處理完略現在三位"},{"start":20830.843,"end":20851.85,"text":"第2項第1項第2項第3項第4項第5項第6項第7項第8項第9項第10項第11項第11項第12項第12項第13項第14項第14項第15項第16項第17項第18項第19項第19項第20項第21項第22項第22項第23項第23項第24項第25項第26項第27項第28項第29項第30項第31項第32項第33項第34項第35項第36項第36項第37項第38項第39項第40項第41項第41項第42項第42項第43項第44項第44項第45項"},{"start":20859.874,"end":20874.384,"text":"第2項第1項第2項第3項第4項第5項第6項第7項第8項第9項第10項第11項第11項第12項第13項第14項第14項第15項第16項第17項第18項第19項第19項第20項第21項第22項第23項第23項第24項第26項第27項第28項第29項第30項第31項第32項第33項第34項第36項第36項第37項第38項第39項第40項第41項第42項第42項第43項第44項第44項第45項第46項第47項第47項第48項第49項"},{"start":20886.288,"end":20896.965,"text":"第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}