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協助搶救我們今天是在檢討基本上總統這個說法這個民眾可能很難接受那我們"},{"start":535.097,"end":562.462,"text":"避免以後這樣的一個混淆從金國先生時代到現在我們的國軍將士救災視同作戰院長可不可以未來當國內發生災情的時候我們的國軍就應該全力的投入救災不要再有其他任何理由可不可以"},{"start":563.394,"end":588.314,"text":"這是一個必然的一個狀況跟要求我到每個災區我都會向當地的指揮官表達最大的謝意所以未來整個國防部也要履行救災視同作戰可以嗎可以好我們在檢討以後不要再發生這樣的一個以總統的高度跟民眾啊災區的民眾有發生不愉快的情況接下來就是這個災後"},{"start":591.678,"end":618.811,"text":"重建的重點項目本席在這裡針對今天你提出來的報告希望 院長你提出了十個重點的項目本席希望對於這個倉儲農舍還有農業機具人民所受的損失行政院能夠大力的協助第二"},{"start":620.901,"end":649.153,"text":"這個住宅的修繕院長能夠拿出最大的能量好的第三個還有農業的補助等等這三項是在你的十項裡面本席希望這三項能夠建局理局能夠盡快的完成可以嗎尤其是民宅的修繕可以盡快的把它完成嗎民宅因為第一個數量很大再來我們現在已經由各部會跟營造的廠商"},{"start":650.177,"end":675.266,"text":"進行認養17個行政區那目前的速度已經開始上了這個軌道過去一段時間確實是比較慢因為沒有這樣的一個認養的工作謝謝陳金德主委在率領的前進指揮所院長就不要再提前進指揮所了已經慢了二十幾天了請不要再提這個事好不好本席向院長來說明了解一下"},{"start":677.247,"end":699.858,"text":"本席在7月19號就提出了對南台灣的整體的災後重建的條例希望行政院能夠盡快提出並在7月29號本黨正式來提案正式來提案並在7月31號本席召集朝野協商三黨一致同意 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