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條例我們自己也提啊全面的照顧我們的農民啊在審條例的過程或審預算的過程當中大院有任何意見只要跟行政院協商我們都願意來共同討論雙邊協商嘛但是我具體要求台中一定要納入在這個災害這個協助台中一定要納入 你給我一個回答就好了"},{"start":649.541,"end":663.494,"text":"台中要全面納入對不對照顧我們的農民農損的部分天然災救助跟專案補助不管特別在那個特別條例的一個很清楚只要你超過兩成就可以盡情救助我們已經啟動了所以院長我們會全力的支持農民你們也要全力支持農民台中一定要納入"},{"start":672.096,"end":681.802,"text":"台中會經過主管機關 依照條例的內容第二條 主管機關來認定實際自災的災區一定要全面納入 好 謝謝接下來本席要跟院長討論普發現金一萬塊"},{"start":685.134,"end":708.53,"text":"今天雖然是我們災害條例 但是民眾苦不堪言關稅問題 匯率問題所以本期要去跟你討論的普發陷阱7月11日刪除通過刪除通過我們的嫩性特別條例8月1號總統公告請問現在行政院的態度到底是怎麼回事行政院的態度是怎麼樣"},{"start":709.994,"end":727.955,"text":"大院修訂的法律總統公告它就會生效生效了行政院要執行嗎那雖然我們認為規矩已經過了是 容許我說雖然我認為在制定的過程當中對於大幅增加稅出沒有來徵詢行政院這個違反憲法跟預算法的條例"},{"start":728.536,"end":743.133,"text":"的規定但是總統公告之後我們現在想的是我們如何跟立法院 行政立法兩院尋求一個解決憲政紛爭的一個方式我們希望朝這個方式來講那我也願意依照大家在"},{"start":744.194,"end":767.151,"text":"討論過程當中最大照顧的方式讓最大最多數的人普遍受到更多的照顧同時我也希望能夠在產業支持方面能夠增加在電力系統民生系統維持上面能夠增加我們就整個這個任性的特別條例內容稍作調整但總統公佈的部分既以生效他就會基本上不變"},{"start":768.1,"end":796.772,"text":"基本上不變 你會編的預算嗎統統通過的 我們就依照法律的精神跟規定但是我一定要一定要尋求問 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詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147001_00006"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}