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期第9次全體委員會報告及詢答結束。本次會議繼續進行預算審查。我們首先先介紹在場委員及列席官員。我們在場的委員有麥玉珍委員王美惠委員蘇巧惠委員黃潔委員"},{"start":2232.085,"end":2259.887,"text":"李博義委員內政部部長劉世芳政務次長董建宏國土署吳興秀署長國家公園管理署代理署長陳真榮警政署長張榮鑫"},{"start":2263.652,"end":2282.968,"text":"中央警察大學校長楊元敏消防署長消防章移民署長鍾景坤建築研究所所長王榮進空中勤務總隊總隊長錦妍淵行政院主計總署公務預算處檢任視察李培元"},{"start":2296.29,"end":2316.449,"text":"我們現在開始審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部部分等相關單位預算。內政部主管作業基金、特別收入基金、信託基金、財團法人及國家住宅及都市更新中心。請宣讀預算書及委員提案。宣讀完畢後再進行協商。"},{"start":2320.674,"end":2340.685,"text":"114年度內政部稅務預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第66項內政部178萬6千元第一幕罰金罰款及貸金無劣數第二幕賠償收入178萬6千元第三款規費收入第53項內政部5909萬7千元第一幕行政規費收入2888萬1千元第二幕使用規費收入3021萬6千元"},{"start":2346.788,"end":2352.971,"text":"第4款財產收入第76項內政部6695萬6千元。第一幕財產資期6685萬6千元。第二幕非舊物資售價10萬元。第7款其他收入第75項內政部1億5101萬7千元。"},{"start":2369.659,"end":2382.543,"text":"最初部分第7款內政部主管第一項內政部134億2437萬8千元。第一幕一般行政17億7197萬5千元。第二幕民政及宗教理事業務56億6960萬4千元。第三幕戶政業務7052萬3千元。第四幕地政業務5億3798萬9千元。第一節策量及方域4億2340萬3千元。"},{"start":2398.167,"end":2409.83,"text":"第二節,地籍及不動產服務業管理7233萬1千元。第三節,平均地權及土地利用4225萬5千元。第五目,土地測量10億659萬2千元。第六目,土地開發1613萬7千元。"},{"start":2415.592,"end":2417.494,"text":"五、繼續審查內政部函送五、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":2437.381,"end":2447.729,"text":"114年度國土管理署及所屬稅入部分第二款罰款及賠償收入第67項國土管理署1億2840萬7千元第一幕罰金罰還及代金500萬元第二幕賠償收入1億2340萬7千元第三款歸非收入第54項國土管理署及所屬5733萬元"},{"start":2458.796,"end":2469.323,"text":"第一幕行政規備收入57153,000元第二幕使用規備收入177,000元第四款財產收入第77項國土管理屬及所屬2707萬3千元第一幕財產資息848,000元第二幕廢舊物資售價2622萬5千元第七款其他收入第76項國土管理屬及所屬1億8673萬1千元最初部分"},{"start":2487.813,"end":2500.64,"text":"第七款內政部主管第二項國土管理署及所屬858億413萬6千元。第一幕非營業特種基金101億283萬2千元。第二幕一般行政11億3992萬8千元。第三幕國土管理業務414億6726萬2千元。第四幕區域及都市規劃業務702萬9千元。第五幕一般建築及設備77萬元。"},{"start":2515.808,"end":2525.463,"text":"第六目第一預備金251萬7千元第七目都市基礎工程業務136億5462萬6千元第八目下水道管理業務194億2917萬2千元"},{"start":2530.96,"end":2540.951,"text":"114年度警政署及所屬稅入預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第68項警政署及所屬1350萬7千元第一幕罰款及貸金兩萬兩千元第二幕賠償收入1340萬五千元"},{"start":2546.798,"end":2555.127,"text":"第三款規費收入第55項警政署級所屬9,319,000元。第一幕行政規費收入5,465,000元。第二幕使用規費收入385,400元。第四款財產收入第78項警政署級所屬776,500元。"},{"start":2565.057,"end":2567.642,"text":"第一幕財產資息2754000元第二幕廢舊物資售價5011000元第七晚期他收入第77項警政署及所屬39861000元"},{"start":2579.844,"end":2594.972,"text":"行政署稅出部分。第七款內政部主管第三項行政署級所屬328億9467萬3千元。第一幕一般行政193億2862萬9千元。第二幕警政業務14億8292萬9千元。第三幕警務業務9億1047萬5千元。第四幕保安警察業務10億688萬5千元。第五幕國道警察業務3億2127萬3千元。"},{"start":2609.099,"end":2615.625,"text":"第六目刑事警察業務67億5,435萬8千元。第七目初級警察教育18億2,335萬8千元。第八目一般建築及設備12億1,976萬6千元。第九目第一預備金4,700萬元。"},{"start":2631.024,"end":2656.83,"text":"114年度中央警察大學稅務預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第69項中央警察大學581萬2千元。第三款規費收入第56項中央警察大學453萬8千元。第一幕行政規費收入417萬8千元。第二幕使用規費收入36萬元。第四款財產收入第79項中央警察大學179萬3千元。"},{"start":2659.727,"end":2674.073,"text":"第一幕財產資息155萬4千元第二幕廢舊物資收益23萬9千元第七款其他收入第78項中央警察大學9804萬3千元第一幕學雜費收入949萬1千元第二幕雜項收入35萬2千元"},{"start":2678.649,"end":2707.059,"text":"中央警察大學稅出部分。第七款,內政部主管。第四項,中央警察大學13億4926萬6千元。第一幕,一般行政6億5653萬1千元。第二幕,高級警察教育6億9127萬6千元。第三幕,地域備金145萬9千元。114年度消防組織所屬稅入預算。第二款,罰款及平常收入。第七十項,消防組織所屬50萬元。"},{"start":2710.462,"end":2713.846,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":2729.969,"end":2739.136,"text":"第一幕財產資期311萬9千元第二幕廢舊物資售價3萬元第七款其他收入第79項消防暑期所屬21萬元"},{"start":2744.068,"end":2749.154,"text":"五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。七、繼續審查內政部主管部分。八、繼續審查內政部主管部分。九、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":2762.29,"end":2765.512,"text":"港務消防業務1887萬1千元。四、特種搜救業務3億2459萬6千元。五、一般建築及設備182萬元。六、第一預備金162萬元。"},{"start":2779.062,"end":2794.273,"text":"114年度國家公園署籍所屬稅入預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第71項國家公園署籍所屬440萬4千元第一幕罰金罰款及貸金141萬9千元第二幕賠償收入298萬5千元第三款規費收入第58項國家公園署籍所屬5396萬5千元第一幕行政規費收入386萬9千元第二幕使用規費收入509萬6千元"},{"start":2809.122,"end":2818.789,"text":"第四款財產收入第81項國家公園署籍所屬6850萬2000元。第一幕財產支息6811萬6000元。第二幕廢舊物資售價386000元。第七款其他收入第80項國家公園署籍所屬993萬1000元。國家公園署稅出部分"},{"start":2831.448,"end":2842.159,"text":"第七款內政部主管第六項國家公園主局所屬第一幕一般行政8億1894萬5千元第二幕國家公園業務1億9234萬1千元第三幕國家公園經營管理24億9134萬4千元第一節肯定"},{"start":2850.487,"end":2856.69,"text":"國家公園經營管理3億2518萬3千元。第二節,玉山國家公園經營管理2億2908萬8千元。第三節,陽明山公園經營管理2億5835萬4千元。第四節,太魯閣國家公園經營管理4億3597萬4千元。第五節,雪壩國家公園經營管理2億899萬1千元。"},{"start":2875.739,"end":2883.526,"text":"第6節金門國家公園經營管理4億2,255萬9千元。第7節海洋國家公園經營管理2億7,320萬4千元。第8節台江國家公園經營管理1億7,691萬1千元。第9節國家自然公園經營管理1億6107萬元。第4幕地域備金50萬元。"},{"start":2901.351,"end":2924.4,"text":"114年度移民署稅入第二款罰款及賠償收入第72項移民署第一幕罰金防環及貸金3億8355萬2千元第二幕沒入及沒收財物580萬元第三幕賠償收入33萬4千元第三款規費收入第59項移民署19億9123萬4千元"},{"start":2929.008,"end":2945.412,"text":"第一幕行政規備收入19億9千1百22萬5千元第二幕使用規備收入9千元第四款財產收入第82項移民署313萬7千元第一幕財產資息213萬7千元第二幕廢舊物資售價100萬元第七款其他收入81項移民署161萬4千元"},{"start":2958.837,"end":2967.404,"text":"移民署稅出部分第7款內政部主管第7項移民署55億4334萬7千元第一幕一般行政三期109萬3千元第二幕錄書國際移民管理業務18億2639萬4千元第三幕一般建築及設備1386萬元第四幕第一預備金200萬元"},{"start":2982.812,"end":2992.099,"text":"114年度建築研究所稅務預算第二款罰款及賠償收入。第七、第三項建築研究所第一幕賠償收入無劣數。"},{"start":2994.079,"end":3015.525,"text":"第三款規配收入第60項建築研究所2881萬5000元。第一幕行政規費收入86萬元。第二幕使用規費收入2795萬5000元。第四款財產收入第83項建築研究所148000元。第七款其他收入第82項建築研究所221000元。"},{"start":3017.786,"end":3028.673,"text":"建築研究所稅出部分第7款內政部主管第8項建築研究所3億315萬3千元第一幕一般行政9938萬3千元第二幕建築研究業務2億359萬元第三幕地域北京18萬元"},{"start":3035.87,"end":3045.692,"text":"114年度空中勤務總隊稅務預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第74項空中勤務總隊400萬元。第四款財產收入第84項空中勤務總隊844000元。第一幕財產支息4458000元。第二幕杯酒無私售價26000元。第七款其他收入第83項空中勤務總隊293000元。"},{"start":3062.421,"end":3072.469,"text":"公眾勤務總部稅出部分第7款內政部主管第9項公眾勤務總隊21億7169萬5千元第一幕一般行政5億495萬2千元第二幕公眾勤務業務16億6574萬3千元第三幕第一建築及設備無劣數第四幕第一預備金100萬元"},{"start":3084.557,"end":3098.926,"text":"作業基金內政部主管營電建設基金附屬單位預算。一、業務計劃部分因依據業務收支轉投資固定資產之建設改良擴充及資金運用等向之審查結果隨從調整。二、業務收支部分業務總收入709億3172萬5千元的業務總支出"},{"start":3103.846,"end":3125.751,"text":"六百七十八億一千兩百零一萬兩千元本期剩餘三十一億一千九百七十一萬三千元結繳供戶金額及轉投資計劃部分均無劣數固定資產之建設改良及擴充一百六三萬四千元供戶增撥基金額無劣數補辦預算部分十一萬七千五百七十四萬元"},{"start":3127.27,"end":3145.301,"text":"作業基金內政部主管實施平均地權基金附屬單位預算。一、業務計劃部分。一、依據業務收支轉投資固定資產之建設改良擴充及資金運用等向之審查結果隨同調整。二、業務收支部分。一、業務總收入49122000元。二、業務總支出1398000元。三、本期剩餘351134000元。"},{"start":3152.565,"end":3170.817,"text":"結繳公庫部分轉投資計劃部分固定資產制建設改良及擴充補辦預算份均無劣數公庫增撥期金額3,501萬元。特別收入基金內政部主管警察消防海巡移民空行人員及攜行民地安全基金附屬單位預算"},{"start":3172.318,"end":3200.155,"text":"業務計劃部分。依依據基金來源與用途審查結果隨從調整。二、基金來源527萬5千元基金用途1429萬元本期短促901萬5千元。結繳供戶及補辦預算部分均無劣數。特別收入基金。內政部主管研發及產業訓除替代益基金附屬單位預算。業務計劃部分依依據基金來源與用途審查結果隨從調整。二、基金來源"},{"start":3202.443,"end":3220.2,"text":"3億1616萬2千元基金用途3億6541萬5千五元本期短租4925萬3千元截了工戶及補辦預算部分均無劣數。特別收入基金內政部主管股東永續發展基金附屬單位預算。業務計劃部分依據基金來源用途審查結果隨同調整。"},{"start":3221.44,"end":3242.866,"text":"新來源101億5197萬4千元基金用途9億2199萬5千元本期剩餘92億2997萬9千元起草公庫及補班預算部分均無劣數。特別收入基金內政部主管新住民發展基金附屬單位預算。業務計畫部分因依據基金來源與用途審查結果隨同調整。"},{"start":3244.066,"end":3270.086,"text":"二、基金來源用途及輿促部分。基金來源4億0421萬元基金用途3億9000零487000元本期剩餘13823000元。揭曉空屋及補保預算部分均無劣數。信託基金內政部主管劉珠珊先生警察子女獎學基金附屬單位預算。業務計劃部分依據收支、輿促、撥補等向日審查結果隨同調整。"},{"start":3270.806,"end":3291.92,"text":"二、總收入5萬元總支出4萬8千元本期剩餘2千元。信託基金內政部主管成員獎學基金附屬單位預算。六、計劃部分因應據收支與促撥補等向這審查結果遂容調審。二、總收入23萬3千元總支出50萬8千元本期短租27萬5千元。"},{"start":3293.979,"end":3306.016,"text":"信託基金內政部主管黃瑞景先生講學基金附屬單位預算。業務計劃部分依依據收支逾促撥補等相致審查結果隨容調整。總收入17000元總支出21000元本期短處4000元。"},{"start":3309.881,"end":3330.393,"text":"信託基金內政部主管胡元周女士獎助學金附屬單位預算業務計劃部分因依據收支餘出撥補等項目審查結果隨從調整。二、總收入17000元總支出20000元本期短促3000元信託基金內政部主管在校學生獎學基金附屬單位預算"},{"start":3334.06,"end":3339.649,"text":"業務計劃部分依據收支、餘出、撥補等相關指南結果隨從調整總收入111,000元總支出11萬元本期剩餘1,000元"},{"start":3345.14,"end":3369.593,"text":"內政部主管財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會114年度預算工作計劃部分依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整收入6300萬元支出6300萬元本期剩餘0元。內政部主管財團法人威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復基金會114年度預算工作計劃部分依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整收入35億1499萬3000元支出"},{"start":3372.515,"end":3373.777,"text":"支出35億1454萬3千元本體剩餘45萬元。"},{"start":3378.616,"end":3401.609,"text":"內政部主管財團法人臺灣建築中心114年度預算工作計劃部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整收入36064000元支出357616000元本金剩餘2448000元內政部主管財團法人臺灣營建研究院114年度預算工作計劃部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整"},{"start":3403.13,"end":3432.055,"text":"二、收入1億7701萬元支出1億7649萬4千元本金剩餘51萬1千元。內政部主管財團法人中央營建技術顧問研究室114年度預算工作計劃部分依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整收入851萬元支出696萬元本金剩餘155萬元。內政部主管財團法人臺灣省義勇人員安全技術基金會114年度預算工作計劃部分"},{"start":3432.595,"end":3437.139,"text":"依據收入支出審查結果推動調整收入306萬2千元支出552萬4千元本期短促246萬2千元"},{"start":3443.038,"end":3465.32,"text":"內政部主管財團法人警察學術研究基金會114年度預算工作計劃部分依依據收入與製造審查結果隨從調整收入320萬3千元支出300萬元本期剩餘20萬3千元。內政部主管財團法人義勇消防人員安全基金會114年度預算工作計劃部分依依據收入與製造審查結果隨從調整"},{"start":3468.317,"end":3487.359,"text":"收入1014000元支出9515000元本期剩餘是99000元。內政部監督國家住宅及都市更新中心114年度預算。營運計劃部分因依據收入支出固定資產建設改良擴充及資金運用等像是審查結果最終調整。"},{"start":3489.358,"end":3498.588,"text":"收入37億5284萬5千元支出含所得稅費用34億6940萬5千元以及剩餘2億8388萬元固定資產建設改良擴充502億5548萬4千元。繼續宣讀提案"},{"start":3514.205,"end":3522.391,"text":"內政部部分稅務部分第三款規配收入第一案提案一案公計一案稅出部分第一項內政部"},{"start":3525.649,"end":3543.615,"text":"第二案至第4案共計3案。第一目一般行政為第5案至第18案共計14案。第二目民政及宗教理事業務為第19至第42案共計24案。第三目戶政業務為第43案至第57案共計15案。第四目地政業務為第58至第79案共計22案。"},{"start":3551.317,"end":3557.042,"text":"第五目土地測量為第84、86案共計7案。第六目土地開發為第87案共計1案。第七目議政業務為第88到122案共計35案。"},{"start":3566.499,"end":3592.877,"text":"第八目內政資訊業務為第123案至第129案共計7案。第11目社會行政業務為第130案至134案共計5案。主決議部分為135至149案共計15案。土地管理處及所屬稅出部分為第1案至第2案共計2案。第二目一般行政為第3到第6案共計4案。第三目國土管理業務為第7案至第49案共計43案。"},{"start":3597.18,"end":3600.546,"text":"第四目區域及都市規劃業務為50至51案共計兩案。第七目都市基礎工程業務為52至75案共計24案。"},{"start":3608.735,"end":3628.305,"text":"第八目下水道管理業務為76至第83案共計8案。主決議部分84至89案共計6案。警政署及所屬部分稅收部分第一至第二案共計2案。第一目一般行政第三到第10案共計8案。第二目警政業務為第11到第64案共計54案。"},{"start":3634.181,"end":3645.685,"text":"第三目警政業務為65-76案共計12案。第四目保安警察業務為77-85這一案共計9案。第五目國道警察業務為86-88案共計3案。第六目刑事警察業務為89-135案共計47案。"},{"start":3662.83,"end":3667.175,"text":"第七目初級警察教育為136到140案共計5案。第八目一般建築及設備為141到147案共計7案。主決議部分為148到149案共計2案。"},{"start":3678.027,"end":3697.805,"text":"中央警察大學部分稅入部分一案。稅出部分第二幕高級警察教育第二至第15案共計14案。消防署及所屬部分第一幕一般行政為第一至第11至1案共計2案。第二幕消防救災業務為第12案到第68案共計57案。第三幕"},{"start":3703.137,"end":3710.179,"text":"港務消防業務第69至72案共計4案。第四目特種搜救業務7月3到83案共計11案。主決議部分為第84到第96案共計13案。國家公約組織所屬部分。第一步"},{"start":3718.582,"end":3730.612,"text":"一般行政為第1到第5案共計5案。第二目國家公園業務為第6到第16案共計11案。第三目國家公園經營管理為第17案第47案共計31案。主決議部分為48至50案共計3案。"},{"start":3735.776,"end":3763.534,"text":"移民署部分第一幕一般行政為第一到第二案共計兩案第二幕入出國際移民管理業務為第三到第56案共計54案建築研究所部分第二幕建築研究業務一至八案共計八案主決議為第九案共計一案空中勤務總隊部分第一幕一般行政一案第二幕空中勤務業務第二案第九案共計八案"},{"start":3765.495,"end":3768.509,"text":"主決議部分為第10至第17案共計8案。"},{"start":3770.891,"end":3794.411,"text":"營建建設基金預算、業務收入部分委員會相關提案、業務成本與費用。住宅基金為第一到第10次案、共計13案。中央都市更新基金為第14至第17案、共計4案。主決議部分18至第24案、共計7案。新住民發展基金附屬單位預算部分基金來源委員會相關提案基金用途為第一至第2案、共計2案。"},{"start":3796.132,"end":3820.604,"text":"國土永續發展基金附屬單位預算基金來源五相關提案基金用途為第一至第二案共計兩案主決議部分一案國家住宅及都市更新中心預算收入部分五人五相關提案支出部分為第一案至第十四案共計十四案請委員參閱主決議部分為第十五案至第十八案共計四案以上提案內容請委員參閱"},{"start":3834.312,"end":3836.35,"text":"好,各位委員吼"},{"start":3838.706,"end":3862.785,"text":"那個跟大家報告一下我剛剛有跟大家溝通一下齁因為今天人真的來的太多了那我們先齁啊處理比較簡單的齁尤其是像有一些基金的部分都沒有齁提出啊刪減或什麼的我們先把他宣讀一下讓他們的人就可以先走了好不好齁好來"},{"start":3865.708,"end":3873.935,"text":"平均地權基金預算業務收入、業務成本與費用五委員相關提案預算照列。研發及產業儲訓替代役基金附屬單位預算五委員相關提案預算照列。"},{"start":3886.324,"end":3896.265,"text":"警察消防海巡移民空勤人員及協勤民力安全基金附屬單位預算五委員相關提案預算照列。"},{"start":3899.696,"end":3906.043,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":3918.357,"end":3937.036,"text":"成員獎學基金還有二二八事件紀念基金會威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復基金會臺灣建築中心臺灣營建研究所中央營建技術顧問研究社臺灣省"},{"start":3939.578,"end":3954.207,"text":"義勇人員安全寄住基金會警察學術研究基金會義勇消防人員安全寄住基金會這邊都無委員相關提案預算照列"},{"start":3961.893,"end":3982.002,"text":"我們這邊沒有提案的部分預算均照略,請問有意義?沒有。好,無意義。我們通過。那與其他預算沒有相關的人員可以先行離席。你們就可以先走了。也要領先走。"},{"start":3988.727,"end":4010.459,"text":"我剛剛也有跟各位委員有溝通過了我們有一些單位他們預算數相對的少那我們先處理他們就可以先離開所以比較不好意思各位委員我們現在先處理中央警察大學的部分這邊有單獨的一個大家拿出來就好有單獨的"},{"start":4012.657,"end":4014.741,"text":"好,那,好吧"},{"start":4019.864,"end":4044.526,"text":"好,謝謝主席,各位委員,各位臨時停案要提一下程序發言的部分我提一下就是我想針對這個內政部114年度有編列了許多的這個密件的計畫那我想要請這個內政部跟我們各位委員稍微注意一下就是說我們現在很多列機密的計畫其實很多"},{"start":4050.848,"end":4070.458,"text":"就是預算法第53條的規定,各委員審查總預算時,各機關首長應邀請列席報告備詢及提供相關資料,不得拒絕或拖延。那一百...呵呵呵呵呵...欸我在唸,不好意思把資料壓在我的那個資料上齁"},{"start":4071.618,"end":4094.426,"text":"那我們針對114年總預算就是有關於內政部有一些跨年度計劃與執行期間略為密件沒有具體說明的那我們是不是要建議應該來開個秘密會議不然會有險險有這個規避股會監督之嫌而且這些預算的金額都很龐大我們有列一張表總金額"},{"start":4095.666,"end":4119.54,"text":"高達201億3418萬。那我們身為立法委員必須要審視這些計畫的必要性跟經費的合理性避免經費腐亂編列那是不是大家可以今天討論一下是不是今天會議上述我們列表的部分的預算就暫不審查然後等本院內政委員會召開秘密會議後再行審查以上謝謝"},{"start":4121.786,"end":4135.73,"text":"好那個等一下齁張委員說的我們等一下再處理好不好反正還沒到那裡啦好不好齁好來我我們沒啦"},{"start":4158.701,"end":4161.945,"text":"函送"},{"start":4168.3,"end":4184.685,"text":"我們先處理中央警察大學預算的部分我原例還是先宣告一下第二案、第三案、第七案、第十案、第十四案、第十五案已經跟委員溝通過了改組決議"},{"start":4186.505,"end":4203.115,"text":"請問各位委員那我們對中央警察大學的部分我們就來第一案稅錄的部分徐宇貞委員你有提案針對這個部分因為中央警察大學已經有來說明過了所以針對這個部分"},{"start":4215.27,"end":4244.003,"text":"原則上的話就是照原來他們原列數這樣好那我們就預算照列好謝謝那再來齁我們說出的部分我們的第二幕來各位委員現在說出的第二幕好來黃婕委員"},{"start":4249.341,"end":4270.321,"text":"那我講一下雖然我這一案改成主決議但我還是想要表達對於這個警大實驗室的儀器的重視因為其實警大實驗室裡面雖然現在儀器跟毒品的標準品的標配其實跟刑事局還是落差很大那這個雖然是學校裡面不是專責的鑑定機關但是還是我們全國唯一"},{"start":4270.902,"end":4272.462,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":4300.711,"end":4306.235,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":4326.408,"end":4327.469,"text":"進階發展的計劃轉成就是效果不彰應該要加強這個部分要改動解5%謝謝"},{"start":4338.03,"end":4361.602,"text":"來,我再不好意思齁,再跟各位委員補充宣告一下齁,剛來的是第5案、第8案、第9案、第11案、第13案也改組決議,那我們現在呢,中央警察大學的我們就是剩下第4案、第6案、第12案,都是麥玉珍委員啦齁,所以麥委員,有堅持嗎?"},{"start":4375.788,"end":4391.999,"text":"這是我們有來辦公室溝通過的結論我們請校長說明一下事實上跟委員報告這個有關我們建設相關設備器材的部分事實上我們這部分"},{"start":4392.523,"end":4407.137,"text":"最主要我們的計畫都是跟刑事局來共同合作那刑事局就是針對食物單位發現的鑑識的問題需要因為警大有具有我們除了教學還有研究發展部分"},{"start":4407.677,"end":4408.538,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":4423.852,"end":4434.336,"text":"在過去我們很多研究的成果也都提供給刑事局轉發給各警察機關的監視單位所以在112年我們提供了46項毒品多重反應的監測資料給刑事局"},{"start":4444.68,"end":4473.159,"text":"轉發給各縣市第一縣的員警他們來偵辦案件支用。其他的部分包括我們事業鑑識的部分我們現在也都協助所以包括其中有一項我們在112年提供的這個技術轉移提供給新北市政府警察局他們還因而獲獎經過政府核定為特優的獎項所以這部分我們會持續來努力那希望這個拜託我這部分能不能改組決議"},{"start":4480.021,"end":4498.589,"text":"你現在講的是你們的規劃但是你們的計劃裡面是沒有寫所以我們不知道你怎麼規劃其實跟委員報告114年我們包括因為監察院對這部分也很關切所以我們上次跟監察委員報告之後監察委員也了解他也接受那我們114年其實整個就"},{"start":4501.03,"end":4501.431,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":4514.679,"end":4537.67,"text":"因為我們希望真的是有因為我們看的不是你解說的所以我們看的你送來的計畫所以我們沒有看到所以我們當然是要去加強希望加強這個部分所以你現在就是關於這個我們覺得成效不差所以希望照你說的這個部分你真的是要去加強"},{"start":4538.57,"end":4539.39,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":4571.803,"end":4572.645,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部"},{"start":4583.193,"end":4609.727,"text":"針對我們第二幕第三案本席這邊有凍結50萬最主要是針對警官學校大家要考取的不簡單所以你退學的那個比率都逐年增加這是不是我們的審查機制不夠嚴謹是不是未來在審查機制要嚴謹"},{"start":4611.028,"end":4613.689,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":4639.914,"end":4662.265,"text":"有關第二幕就是中央警察大學的預算我在這個部分有第五案、第八案、第九案、第十一案、第十三案總共五個案子那因為這個部分中央警察大學也有來做過說明所以我同意希望他在一個月之內將相關報告送給本席那我們就同意都改成主決議謝謝委員"},{"start":4665.427,"end":4686.342,"text":"還有沒有委員那如果沒有委員齁我跟大家報告一下齁中央警察大學的部分齁輸入部分齁預算照列改組決議然後輸出的部分齁所有的案子全部改成組決議好預算照列好謝謝那中央警察大學的部分就可以先行離開好那剛剛啊齁"},{"start":4696.611,"end":4715.182,"text":"剛剛我們有徵求委員的同意我們還是把剩下兩個比較簡單的我們先處理完好不好我們先處理空中勤務總隊然後我原例我還是先"},{"start":4718.983,"end":4729.109,"text":"第一幕一般行政的部分已經改組決議第二幕六、七、八、九改組決議我們直接從第二幕處理不知道各位委員有沒有意見"},{"start":4749.813,"end":4756.289,"text":"那個誰啊?誰舉手?好好 等一下"},{"start":4760.298,"end":4774.264,"text":"因為有時候他太多給他們,他們也找不到。後面是要怎麼先跟他們講一下?什麼意思?建築研究所?這樣子我們就從前面,不不不,等一下那個柏翔公園,我再問一下。"},{"start":4785.009,"end":4789.712,"text":"財政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。七、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":4812.921,"end":4823.547,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":4840.489,"end":4846.286,"text":"好來各位委員嘿空中請問喔來許委員"},{"start":4850.311,"end":4868.081,"text":"本席是提案第二幕,現在是講第二幕嗎?對,第一幕已經改組決議了。對,是第三案,就是有關空中勤務業務的航務機務跟飛安的部分。那針對這個部分,因為較去年,較113年度增加了1億4922萬3000,增加的幅度大概是13.86%。"},{"start":4876.505,"end":4900.291,"text":"空勤總隊也有到我辦公室來說明那我也可以接受就是因為限於經濟採購量以及交貨期的限制所以這一案我改成凍結兩百萬那希望空勤隊在114年度增添各項的勤務裝備跟行財所需的經費要核實編列也請空勤總隊提出書面報告後時的凍結凍結兩百萬我們是不是請警總隊長說明一下"},{"start":4911.425,"end":4921.069,"text":"這個案子上一次我們上個禮拜到徐委員那邊去經過說明了原來的這個溝通之後是凍結100萬"},{"start":4924.339,"end":4929.6,"text":"凍結100萬三個月內書面意見我們主要的目的是希望經費就是要用在刀口上何時編列我們不堅持凍結100萬"},{"start":4947.233,"end":4947.613,"text":"整目凍結100萬所有委員提案並處理。"},{"start":4968.328,"end":4973.694,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":4985.169,"end":5008.912,"text":"十到十六 十案 第十案 十一案 十二案 十三案 十四案 十五案 十六案 都我們自己修正通過只剩十七案那個王美惠委員王美惠委員在這兩天是不是還請他解說一下因為我覺得我說的他們好像沒辦法去接受是不是可以再好請金總隊長"},{"start":5012.98,"end":5039.482,"text":"像委員報告這委員所關切的事情我們現在都在積極處理了那有關後面的部分我們就是那個17頁最後的意見我們說一個文字修正說一下是那個17頁那個意見倒數第二場開始"},{"start":5041.235,"end":5056.518,"text":"劃掉然後文字修正積極辦理如期完成計畫提升空中救援效能與圓滿達成任務守護民眾生命財產安全。並於三個月內提出書面報告。"},{"start":5066.291,"end":5088.321,"text":"海豚機的更新計畫對我們現在是升級啦有做啦114年這個還要加這個上去這一段把它刪除這個要刪除喔這一段啦好啦好啦要認真做啦好不好都在做都在做謝謝同意改"},{"start":5089.705,"end":5090.486,"text":"文字修正"},{"start":5112.5,"end":5120.606,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":5144.332,"end":5155.077,"text":"主席,主席在議會內17條文字修正,同意。好,那我們在文字修正會通過。"},{"start":5157.503,"end":5158.064,"text":"接下來我們先處理建築研究所"},{"start":5172.897,"end":5188.075,"text":"我原力再先宣告一下稅率部分預算照列稅出的部分第一幕一般行政預算照列第二幕八個案子第二案第三案第八案改組決議"},{"start":5194.844,"end":5198.349,"text":"那各位委員你們先看一下資料好不好"},{"start":5217.116,"end":5220.519,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":5243.551,"end":5250.112,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":5259.342,"end":5269.35,"text":"我現在看到的就是還有徐宇峥委員、李柏鈺委員、劉徐庭委員你們有沒有"},{"start":5271.343,"end":5274.965,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":5300.282,"end":5303.803,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":5331.517,"end":5355.512,"text":"財政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":5358.763,"end":5359.524,"text":"第二、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":5377.261,"end":5400.154,"text":"好,不好意思。好,不會。那我們先請徐委員。好,謝謝主席。本席在這個第二幕中提的是第四案,就是我原提案是簡列一千萬,本來是希望建研所可以將這個行政院核定的重大政策改列為自辦。但是呢,那個建組研所有來說明,因為計劃分工跟人力編制的問題,"},{"start":5401.275,"end":5426.739,"text":"所以建研所負責的是高齡智慧住宅科技的這個場域驗證機制發展的計劃所以後續我也希望建研所能夠發揮所長每合相關的這個產官學能夠進入高齡智慧住宅科技這個平台那我想這個科技產品的導入是刻不容緩所以這一個案子我同意改成主決議那也希望建研所要審慎辦理相關的委案委辦的相關計劃好 謝謝委員"},{"start":5430.86,"end":5450.264,"text":"好 謝謝徐委員那個麥委員你那個第7案要不要跟你說明一下所以動100是確定喔我們有跟這個委員這邊辦公室有沒有啦反正你就是動100你同意嘛好那個還有一個劉委員"},{"start":5458.686,"end":5464.528,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。七、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":5488.846,"end":5513.196,"text":"有啊有,我有宣告了,不好意思。好,那向本會提出書面報告後時可動之。好,謝謝各位,那我們的主決議照案通過。好,主決議照案通過。好,謝謝各位,那我們建築研究所預算處理完畢,那我們可以先行離開。"},{"start":5517.145,"end":5542.808,"text":"好各位委員齁那個我們現在要請我們那個議事人員齁我們先來處理國家公園管理署跟學署因為他們人他們人非常多阿讓他們就可以先行離開尤其有的在屏東在哪裡齁來那個我們先把資料拿給各位委員"},{"start":5550.699,"end":5551.86,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":5571.939,"end":5573.641,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":5588.757,"end":5596.323,"text":"五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。七、繼續審查內政部主管部分。八、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":5613.308,"end":5631.66,"text":"第45次撤案。各位委員,我們國家公務員管理署的這個部分我先宣告一下各位有拿到了嗎?有齁"},{"start":5643.295,"end":5664.9,"text":"你們現在是在溝通嗎?那我們等一下好了,讓你們溝通一下好不好?吳清明的案子有什麼需要發言的嗎?我可以代經理發言。我來看一下吳清明委員的預算,37案。"},{"start":5672.845,"end":5690.759,"text":"他有個人的這個我們會審慎,我會審慎。我發現說吳啓明這樣太棒了,我們要加入原署,這樣就可以摸到麥克風,然後我就可以去離開去開會。"},{"start":5713.721,"end":5725.611,"text":"國家工人的下一個要審什麼?稍微可以代表你講一下嗎?"},{"start":5732.065,"end":5744.956,"text":"那個第一幕的一般行政齁,召委這邊有凍結10萬元其實這個很簡單的一個事情想要跟署長這邊來說明一下齁"},{"start":5748.049,"end":5766.229,"text":"高雄都會公園的地下室,我們也很好,我們正在進行一個停車場的消防設施改善。然後我們上面剛落成一個共融式郵具,所以非常多的市民朋友想要使用。"},{"start":5768.656,"end":5786.892,"text":"啟用以後變成停車場要停止使用那我覺得可以建議可以辦辦施工維持市民可以使用停車場這個在上一次我們到國家公園考察的時候有跟國家公園署這邊來提過這個建議希望落實來處理如果落實的話我們就可以支持這筆預算謝謝"},{"start":5796.957,"end":5818.497,"text":"來等一下喔等一下等一下我們等一下好不好因為都在溝通我是想說等一下阿不然讓他們有問題的委員先說啦好不好第一幕而已啦好不好那我們先處理第一幕阿你們要溝通的繼續溝通我們先處理第一幕好不好那個吳清明委員"},{"start":5820.691,"end":5821.672,"text":"我們現在是處理第一幕"},{"start":5845.735,"end":5870.565,"text":"對,第一幕啊齁那...徐...徐...徐宇貞...不是...啊好,牛委員那國共署喔這...基本上喔因為那個水電費啊等等這些列項基本上每個單位都有遇到這樣的問題那國共署跟徐宇貞委員溝通完畢沒啊有溝通嗎結論是什麼"},{"start":5878.266,"end":5896.125,"text":"徐委員說在現場處理有跟他說明過了有跟他說明過然後說在現場處理是吧這保留一下好不好保留一下那各位我們先處理第二幕好不好好不好等他回來好不好"},{"start":5897.515,"end":5907.286,"text":"來,那我們先處理國際公園業務第二幕。那第二幕12案、13案、16案已改組決議。好,那剩下的,剛剛吳啓明委員。"},{"start":5912.338,"end":5929.834,"text":"阿扮書巧惠委員主席我的意見是吼我們吳啓明委員在這個第37案這邊吼那因為他是表示對這個太魯閣國家公園的關心不是不是我們現在處理第二幕第二幕吳啓明跟我說是第三幕到第16案"},{"start":5932.916,"end":5934.176,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":5950.512,"end":5956.393,"text":"四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":5980.578,"end":5984.199,"text":"內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":6005.416,"end":6033.275,"text":"好,還有沒有其他委員來,您委員我們這個是第九案這個國家公園業務的這個資源調查跟經營管理的計畫那就是綜合計畫的一個部分之所以要提案凍結的原因是這樣子這本期在第一會期其實就有提一個概念就是在國家公園境內亂丟垃圾這罰環比在一般市區丟垃圾的罰環還低這其實是一件很荒唐的事情那其實本期第一會期就已經有提案做修正"},{"start":6033.815,"end":6056.968,"text":"那時候跟我們國家公務員署做溝通其實國家公務員署也希望說藉著這樣的機會國家公務員法其實沒有這個很久沒修了十幾年沒有修了以至於很多的規定跟現在遇到的狀況它是有若干的落差的所以我們現在先凍結一下我們要求下一個明確的修法進度部長再麻煩一下部長好不好這個修法的一些相關有沒有一個明確的期程是不是可以做一下說明好還有沒有其他委員"},{"start":6061.633,"end":6075.66,"text":"阿沒有的話先說明一下謝謝麥克風錄一下音啦做個記錄好不好來說明一下"},{"start":6077.266,"end":6101.392,"text":"那個剛剛王委員所提到的那個流浪動物的這一個部分其實也是國家公園經營管理面臨的一個很大的一個問題那我們會積極的跟農業部去協調然後還有就是那個地方政府尋求他們的一個協助來看看能不能夠減少流浪動物的一個發生但"},{"start":6102.412,"end":6108.194,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":6132.101,"end":6159.615,"text":"環境部他把垃圾掩埋場他納管然後不會再讓新的那個垃圾掩埋場在海邊地區之一的一個那個申請那這個是這兩個問題那委員所提到的國家公園法的部分其實我們也積極的在做處理了那我們希望草案也已經出來草案已經有了"},{"start":6160.116,"end":6170.836,"text":"對,草案已經有了,那我們等跟部長報告以後我們就完成那個程序,我們下個會期會送行政院,那行政院審議完了以後就可以送立法院。"},{"start":6172.056,"end":6174.397,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":6194.11,"end":6212.99,"text":"海巡署都要一起所以需要送到行政院我覺得我們有一個共識我們在第三會期的時候要來審查我們在盡量下個會期的時候我是很怕說這樣子你溝通溝通然後到第三會期下半年才送到行政院然後都送到立法院的時候又考到預算就一年拖過一年如果真的有一些比較複雜的"},{"start":6213.891,"end":6214.271,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":6234.036,"end":6234.737,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":6249.766,"end":6272.238,"text":"我覺得各位委員說的都很有道理尤其國家公園很多是門面外國人來都是第一個看到的所以我覺得我們就這樣子你們要處理我們就是整目凍結200萬所有委員的案子並案處理但剛剛劉委員講的那個我們就是留下會議紀錄下個"},{"start":6275.533,"end":6277.556,"text":"會期一定要提出修法出來。"},{"start":6287.574,"end":6312.486,"text":"對不起,這裡是我沒有提案,但是徐宇珍委員因為他去開記者會,所以請我特別說明一下。第10案、第11案、第14案、第15案對於國家公園環境規劃業務的這個業務費裡面,他跟這個業務單位溝通了,就是全部這4案凍結200萬,然後專案報告,然後可以處理。"},{"start":6320.815,"end":6325.776,"text":"第二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":6346.81,"end":6362.598,"text":"你又不是委員我在處理事情第三幕我原力宣告一下45案撤案然後第19案、20案、24案、27案、29案、32案、33案、37案、38案、39案、40案、41案、42案、44案、47案改組決議其他的各位委員"},{"start":6379.212,"end":6404.093,"text":"吳清明委員針對第37案因為國家管理署太魯閣公園真的在高山真的我們的國家公園他們的管理真的非常辛苦尤其我當召委我還排過去考察所以高山的這些同仁真的很辛苦那本期這邊本來是凍結200萬"},{"start":6406.315,"end":6410.417,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":6435.103,"end":6460.523,"text":"報告交給委員來 牛委員還是高經緯謝謝18案 洋傘之亂總要說明一下吧這個當初專案稽查之後好了一點然後專案稽查結束之後就固态復萌那你背了這麼多的這個業務費的一些管理啊這個到底有沒有一個比較具體而且可以長治久安的這個解除解決之道啊如果今天提不出來的話那我們就只好要凍結了我們給你們說明機會好不好好 來 高經緯委員"},{"start":6464.557,"end":6469.062,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":6484.349,"end":6485.49,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部"},{"start":6504.291,"end":6527.653,"text":"還有沒有委員?我案子很多,我本來想說一段一段來,那我就一次講好了。二十五案,一樣是墾丁國家公園的,是梅花路的保育。路很多,多到我們海基會副董事長都說要送和平之路了。"},{"start":6528.834,"end":6555.227,"text":"這個管理的部分有沒有比較好的做法因為現在開始有這個跟機車集市有些衝撞的一個狀態那這個管理的部分應該要有一些更詳細的說明這部分有詳細說明之後本期是願意改組決議但是這還是待會在討論的時候我們說明一下那同樣跟梅花路有關的是除了人車衝突的部分之外應該說人路衝突的車禍部分之外還有還是有獵殺後盜取路容的這個問題"},{"start":6556.368,"end":6558.73,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會等8家財團法人"},{"start":6586.388,"end":6587.329,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":6603.52,"end":6625.258,"text":"這個43案是海洋的部分這個東極與外不過這個部分前面已經有先做說明就是說這個拍攝美麗的照片結果拍到了劉志王雖然他的範圍並沒有在範圍裡面但這部分有沒有辦法有更多的精進之道這些有關生態保育跟國家公民管理的部分希望待會一併提出說明以上謝謝還有沒有委員沒有的話說明一下"},{"start":6633.325,"end":6637.766,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":6656.531,"end":6657.552,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部函送二、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":6678.959,"end":6694.856,"text":"我跟各位委員報告肯定的部分第一個我們在今年已經去過兩次針對整個沙灘還有整個環境的管理我們進行了跟業者的溝通而且直接的嚴格的取締所以肯定那個部分目前是暫時已經先解除但是我們會跟地方政府"},{"start":6695.376,"end":6696.917,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":6715.894,"end":6716.615,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":6735.098,"end":6757.581,"text":"有關於流刺網的部分一樣我們也跟澎湖縣政府已經合作我們會加強取締周邊的環境澎湖縣政府也同意他們會積極派船去跟去做一些巡行有關於盜獵的部分我們跟那個警政署這邊我們就開了地方警局我們就積極加長去查獵所以相關的那個像墾丁那個盜獵的那部分我們已經抓到人了那個部分沒有問題以上"},{"start":6765.393,"end":6773.724,"text":"主席呢?我覺得資料說明的還蠻清楚的啦那我們在額度的部分商量一下看怎麼處理麻煩各位"},{"start":6864.684,"end":6865.928,"text":"來,好,各位我們協商完畢,來,劉委員。"},{"start":6869.366,"end":6894.05,"text":"好 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謝謝好 牛委員謝謝 這數位身份證當初在編列的時候有沒有分歧的這樣一個機制"},{"start":20512.541,"end":20531.649,"text":"這我們就很擔心了,政府橫跨數年這個計畫每次都一大包錢下去了,然後後來發現不管是溝通也好或是配套也好沒有做好,然後就開始產生大量的沉沒成本。這是很麻煩啦,當初在設計的時候為什麼沒有一個分級編列的機制,把說清楚啊。你這樣重大政策推動的時候本來就應該要有一些相關的機制來處理嘛。"},{"start":20532.93,"end":20552.054,"text":"那我們如果對於這樣子的一個沉默成本這個立法院什麼樣的態度都沒有我們大概也虧對把守荷包的這樣一個工作嘛所以本來是講說凍結但是現在既然很多委員都覺得說這本來是誓死就不應該存在的這是一個政府的政策錯誤既然已經做了修訂請在預算方面一定要跟著政策做修正啦所以我其實也是支持就是把它全數減劣以上好 還有沒有委員那是不是說明一下"},{"start":20559.403,"end":20565.267,"text":"有關於數位身份證的部分確實是行政院在兩三年前宣布暫時終止其實在這之前也是大院委員當時會覺得數位身份證因為涉及治安的問題所以沒有辦法馬上進入所謂的新式身份證的這個政策的部分在過後不管是行政院立法院做出暫時終止之後"},{"start":20586.303,"end":20587.905,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":20602.057,"end":20604.339,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":20621.67,"end":20636.328,"text":"其實未來還是要繼續增列因為這個是已經我們在招標過程當中他是一個得標的廠商所以也懇請各位委員能夠諒解就是讓我們能夠繼續編列那有關於改進這個國籍行政的部分第一個"},{"start":20637.089,"end":20657.271,"text":"國籍行政本來在台灣就是有用國籍法用兩岸人民關係條例或者一部分會用移民法的方式我想大家都知道我們國家不管在用什麼樣子的一個法律來管轄總是希望能夠按照我們這個中華民國是一個唯一國籍來做其他的這個行政的方面的處理"},{"start":20658.132,"end":20676.986,"text":"所以也懇請這個委員可以不要說凍結百分之百讓我們有改進的空間但是改進的空間基本上是要修法那還沒有修法之前呢我們會按照國籍法或是按照兩岸人民路委會按照兩岸人民關係條例包括相關的執法來進行有關於這個行政業務上的推動以上"},{"start":20685.148,"end":20687.56,"text":"好,那我們是不是大家協商一下"},{"start":21288.093,"end":21308.169,"text":"跟各位報告第三幕關於數位身份證的部分就是減裂1500萬然後其他的凍結然後專案報告後時可凍資那其他的整幕我們凍結42萬書面報告後時可凍資"},{"start":21313.973,"end":21329.066,"text":"準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準目準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木準木"},{"start":21337.383,"end":21339.685,"text":"第66案測案60、61、63、65、68、69、70、71、73、74、75、76、77、78、79改組決議剩下的有沒有各位委員"},{"start":21364.245,"end":21375.812,"text":"總委,這邊是其他我都有改組結議,只有62案這邊的話就是改凍結100萬3個月後提出素面報告。62案。還有其他委員嗎?那有委員"},{"start":21388.154,"end":21406.819,"text":"那個 我有看到有一條跟那個預售屋有關係的那個不動產啦 營業員登錄及發振工作啦那我想要藉這樣機會問一下最近有一個社會上大家很關注的議題也就是說因應最近這幾年這個土地跟房市的一些政策的一些變化其實開始出現在各地出現不等這個預售屋"},{"start":21408.579,"end":21410.841,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":21439.362,"end":21466.36,"text":"來還有沒有其他委員好沒有的話請說明好那個謝謝委員啊針對於剛剛預售屋的定型化企業事實上啊內政部啊早就有訂定這個內政那個預售屋定型化企業然後呢我們事實上也是一直在這幾年每一年都有啊到各縣市去做一個集合那預售屋的定型化企業從最早我們114年開始集合的時候"},{"start":21467.701,"end":21470.182,"text":"財政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":21488.135,"end":21491.558,"text":"第二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":21515.1,"end":21522.994,"text":"好我們等一下協商的時候詳細再說明一下沒關係先我們先不是啊我們先去協商就剩這個啦我們協商來來來快"},{"start":21535.244,"end":21538.628,"text":"五、繼續審查內政部主管部分五、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":21556.977,"end":21562.559,"text":"五、繼續審查內政部函送五、繼續審查內政部函送五、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":21580.385,"end":21582.967,"text":"財團法人114年度中央政府主管部分。三、繼續審查"},{"start":21595.977,"end":21600.062,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":21618.462,"end":21622.227,"text":"內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":21634.063,"end":21637.326,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":21661.387,"end":21663.829,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":21683.878,"end":21696.227,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":21711.828,"end":21718.38,"text":"你們有沒有一個時間表?因為這次就像剛剛我也有一個時間表,因為兩個人有節操,他變成了某任何人。"},{"start":21730.764,"end":21733.586,"text":"還沒到 還沒到 明年也是要處理"},{"start":21743.593,"end":21744.654,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":21779.493,"end":21791.698,"text":"第四目整目凍結200書面報告後時可動之所有委員提案並案處理。第五目第81案、83案測案、82案改組決議。"},{"start":21808.548,"end":21818.578,"text":"這樣就沒有了,對啊。第五幕第九頁來,各位來序委員好,呃"},{"start":21831.613,"end":21841.497,"text":"這邊有關土地測量向下的國土空間資訊數位基礎建設及加值應用計畫有編列1億6,012萬那這個圖資加值應用計畫感覺成本過高而且用途不明所以"},{"start":21855.235,"end":21877.99,"text":"我們是不是凍結預算的10%那讓內政部可以就整個用途進行詳細說明而且提出具體的專案報告之後我們同意後再來動之那我也說明一下我們有收到單位的報告但是感覺"},{"start":21881.792,"end":21910.033,"text":"這個說的內容好像沒有辦法讓本席覺得說你這個詳細的內容因為我想我們這個土地測量還有我們這個國土資訊也算是跟我同行所以我想有沒有什麼具體的你們這個到底要用來做什麼可以明白講這個今天在場很多以前我的同事所以我想了解清楚謝謝"},{"start":21911.53,"end":21939.887,"text":"好,還有沒有其他委員?我覺得這個不多啦,那個徐...徐經緯,這個也是你關心的啦,我就覺得我們直接協商,直接講,不然就集案了。這個是不是最後再講?最後再講還是?那好,那沒關係,那就最後再講。你要最後講還是現在講?你們有沒有辦法跟委員講清楚?對啦,你們趕快去跟委員說一下啊。"},{"start":21942.063,"end":21942.509,"text":"我們現在協商趕快過去說"},{"start":23693.68,"end":23693.7,"text":"好"},{"start":23718.942,"end":23747.047,"text":"我們第五目我們就是八四、八五、八六這三個案子你們剛說一千跟一千六八四一千萬八十六八五八六並案一千六"},{"start":23748.686,"end":23762.899,"text":"然後10%然後呢凍結然後書面報告後時可凍資那其他案就不處理那我們第6目第6目以改組決議87案以改組決議那再來第7目"},{"start":23777.454,"end":23778.094,"text":"107案、108案、測案88、93、94、95、102、106、122改組決議來來 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高經委謝謝我們審到第7幕的時候我覺得真的是要好好的代表請議政業務單位你們要說清楚113年你們的預算才19億114年你們增加到34億"},{"start":25020.504,"end":25022.145,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部附屬單位預算書案。四、繼續審查內政部附屬單位預算書案。"},{"start":25051.225,"end":25069.766,"text":"為什麼就多了一個全社會防衛任性這樣的字就可以增加這麼多預算我覺得我們今天如果在這第7幕裡面沒有好好的把關的話我們有愧於納稅的老百姓因為你們實在增加的太多了"},{"start":25070.427,"end":25096.565,"text":"我就不針對個別剛剛所大家所提的這個親子援遊會啊然後包括這個新營委員提的96案這個部分這個辦理替代義工你們就編了6億所以這個部分如果有一些資料不清不楚的話我會建議你們要說清楚今天如果說不清楚的話我建議全數保留朝野協商謝謝"},{"start":25102.04,"end":25121.494,"text":"劉偉仁這有關替代役招訓的問題我有問題要問就是說因為我稍微查了一下嘛自從這個蔡政府尾巴的時候把這個151議期延長的時候他其實同步斑步就是說替代役未來招訓的時候他都要做實彈射擊跟演練那現在我剛剛我查了一下相關的新聞報導確實在替代役招訓的時候有做實彈射擊對不對"},{"start":25123.035,"end":25142.627,"text":"那有做實彈射擊的時候可是我也查同步查了你過去這一段時間在執行替代一招訓的時候有一個大的問題也就是說你為了避免這個像叫招一樣這個擾民嘛這從他們被召集的人來講當然就是心態上會是擾民嘛對不對當然你講說你在執行業務這我理解但問題就是說因為叫招是強制性的"},{"start":25143.007,"end":25166.105,"text":"可是替代大概就是為了避免這樣子的一個強制性的東西再去擴大去引發民怨所以變成說大部分的都說採用自願性所以才會有所謂的招訊不足的問題招訊率大概有四成左右那我現在擔心的是你現在招訊的內容已經跟以前不一樣了你以前如果只是講說協情或者是說有一些防災的一些知識那也就算了你現在的招訊是包含實彈射擊在內的軍事性項目的一個演練"},{"start":25167.006,"end":25193.707,"text":"那會不會你又沒有辦法做到強迫招訊那會不會到了最後的結論就是你真的遇到了什麼樣的狀況的時候一大堆替代又回來報到的時候有些人會有些人不會然後造成你管理上的困難這樣的一個狀況你要去怎麼去解決剛剛大家委員都在講你增加這麼多所謂全社會任性防衛這樣的一個專案的計畫可是你如果沒有真實貫徹這個決心那到底在幹什麼呢我是覺得你如果要執行你就把話破到底未來台灣就是很有可能有全民皆兵大家都要有熱心的準備"},{"start":25194.895,"end":25208.611,"text":"要嘛就大家乾脆不要做到這樣的一個程度大家都相信我們的國軍弟兄可以把事情做得很好這部分我是覺得待會就同高經委員講的這個預算師要把這事情好好的講清楚說明白要不然在預算方面要輕易放行恐怕祸患無窮以上謝謝"},{"start":25211.587,"end":25212.247,"text":"韓國瑜議員韓國瑜議員韓國瑜議員韓國瑜議員"},{"start":25234.292,"end":25235.093,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":25259.053,"end":25259.694,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":25275.553,"end":25278.194,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":25297.122,"end":25314.146,"text":"替代役的備役的召集基本上我們是分四類有這個EMT1的繼續召集就是讓我們依然學那個緊急救護的這個技能第二個就是我們分警察跟消防的這個備役演習第三個就是有實彈射擊那實彈射擊這個部分是從112年我們替代役有實彈射擊的訓練那113年就是"},{"start":25321.388,"end":25324.269,"text":"114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算財團法人114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算書案"},{"start":25346.394,"end":25373.157,"text":"5萬人以上那明年開始明年開始我們替代役要重新讓我們的藝覽多了防災式的訓練也就是說以後藝覽除了本來就具備有EMT-1每一個藝覽都要拿到EMT-1而且要拿到證照讓他能夠來救護自己也保護別人那明年之後明年我們給他規劃所有的替代役的生意藝覽都也要拿到這個防災式的訓練所以我們的一些經費對我們過來要增加"},{"start":25375.018,"end":25400.666,"text":"實際上這個訓練都對於藝覽本身還有同樣的訓練你為什麼還要分兩次抱歉你同樣就是五萬人要訓練你不能夠在同樣一次訓練當中也把救護也把這些都放在一起嗎為什麼要分兩次預算因為EMT案有證照三年的限制三年之後他就失效所以我們在三年內必須要給他補訓你在用這個證照這個同時你也可以來培訓他救護啊"},{"start":25401.929,"end":25406.693,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":25416.823,"end":25444.61,"text":"那所以你的意思是說這5萬人 其中有部分是一樣的部分這個是可以折抵不用做完整的訓練你不是說只有10月到幾月要做這些訓練嗎那是備役的部分就是替代役復完現役之後的備役的訓練這個是已經備役了之後的 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郭委員主席在這個內政資訊業務是不是這個大樓的重建工程的執行率有一點點合併到45%而已我們是不是看要怎麼去做才好好不好在我提議的1、2、6"},{"start":27924.584,"end":27926.405,"text":"資訊服務大樓重建工程計劃。"},{"start":27935.755,"end":27964.72,"text":"跟主席跟王委員說明一下就是說我們資訊服務大樓今年在執行率雖然是到45%到第三季是45%但是在第四季的時候我們會到接近到60%預算執行率可能可以達到90%大概的情況是這樣子那我們希望是說看委員看各位免凍結我們把這個前預算能夠不許這個廠商加速來在114年加速來相關的這個建築物的建設大概是這樣"},{"start":27968.629,"end":27982.156,"text":"你現在的意思就是說到目前為止的45%到未來的健康來賓它可以達到90%預算執行可以達到90%預算執行可以達到90%這樣差很多耶所以你們下一次用用看45%覺得比較憤憤嗎?好"},{"start":27997.385,"end":27999.973,"text":"都沒有委員我們大家協商一下啦"},{"start":28238.123,"end":28255.297,"text":"好各位委員我們第8幕整幕凍結200萬書面報告後時可動之所有委員提案並案處理250萬然後所有委員的案子並案處理好來第11幕"},{"start":28265.013,"end":28287.035,"text":"來第11幕來各位委員有沒有意見有來牛委員謝謝132案這我要講一個公案大家來評評理這個有一群人成立了叫做阿拉伯在台商務協會他是用這個人團NGO的名義來做成立但是他成立之後他就對外講說他是商會"},{"start":28287.876,"end":28307.034,"text":"那因為很多時候這種狀況在外交上面它就跟正常正式有關閒的代表處就容易搞混那這一群人基本上就用這樣子的一個名稱一個職銜基本上去招搖撞騙說我可以打通在阿拉伯這個世界的各種什麼商務管道啊什麼東西還確實有人因為這樣還繳了費用結果當然就是被框騙嘛"},{"start":28307.654,"end":28311.858,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":28326.833,"end":28342.51,"text":"甚至這一群去成立這個在台商務協會這一群人還反過來告我們的大使就衍生出很多的問題加上有人受害所以我們一直希望這件事情內政部能夠嚴肅處理不是只是說基於這樣那就算了或者是我們只是發個函警告因為沒有用嘛"},{"start":28342.93,"end":28361.459,"text":"他顯然在過去幾次的這個警告或者是什麼過程中並沒有任何停手的跡象那持續對我們的外交造成一些傷害那麼目前辦理的狀況是外交部正在召集廚藝的方式也會含詢內政部的意見那我們要求內政部要強勢處理因為我覺得這件事情如果影響到邦誼那我覺得那就很麻煩了嘛"},{"start":28362.459,"end":28372.668,"text":"這個不要讓人家用詐騙集團的方式來招搖撞騙我想是那個所以這個案子我們要求內政部要來處理所以先行來做凍結等到這個案子有一個處理的一個模式之後我們再行解凍以上謝謝麥偉言"},{"start":28380.037,"end":28387.08,"text":"謝謝主席我這邊是113案社會行政業務就是建全人民團體組織及推行改善的社會風氣這邊就是2000多萬在集會遊行法及人民團體法人才席可制但是限制人民憲法保障的機會"},{"start":28406.809,"end":28411.35,"text":"內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":28430.385,"end":28455.7,"text":"徐委員本席提出的是第134案就是內政部的合作事業振興發展計畫那這個總共編列了3408萬但是我們不太清楚針對這個合作事業振興發展計畫到底是要做些什麼編列這麼高的一個預算那目前我們從這個整個計畫那個預算書裡面也看不出來"},{"start":28456.621,"end":28462.704,"text":"到底為什麼要振興合作這個合作社的相關的這個計畫是不是可以說明一下好還有沒有委員好沒有請說明"},{"start":28472.133,"end":28493.928,"text":"謝謝召委謝謝各位委員的追尋我這邊大概一項一項跟各位委員報告首先聯會委員的部分因為阿拉伯那個協會原則上他當初在登記的時候因為他裡面有附帶說是內政部授權"},{"start":28495.089,"end":28495.71,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部函送二、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":28511.221,"end":28513.223,"text":"一、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":28534.581,"end":28539.362,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。七、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":28562.108,"end":28565.091,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":28583.393,"end":28608.469,"text":"所以後來退回來以後我們再重新擬定再報行政院在109年的1月17號已經送到行政院那邊只要行政院那邊通過送到立法院這邊來審查那這個案子過了以後我們馬上就會變成許可制的話變成是登記制這個就沒有問題這個等下立法過的話就可以了那有關那個許徵許委員部分因為"},{"start":28613.356,"end":28614.501,"text":"憲法在145條第二項是明確規定"},{"start":28617.847,"end":28646.279,"text":"合作社是國家要扶持跟講助但是因為早期合作社已經從動神以後一直都沒有編相關經費來扶持發展那造成我們整個員工、消費合作社還有很多一些其他的合作社他因為沒有資金可以預助因此他縮減那縮減現在因為我們整個社會的變動所以說現在有成立了很多合作社"},{"start":28647.441,"end":28671.563,"text":"那我們政府這邊既然因為監察院也在追問這件事他說政府在憲法裡面就要去立法要保障他們那為什麼我們這邊政府這邊沒有去補助這些相關經費去成立基金促其發展所以我們在11年跟12年有編列了一個叫做等於是前置的案件事辦計劃"},{"start":28673.424,"end":28685.854,"text":"我們在這兩年當中發現合作社實際上外界的成長是很蓬勃而且在這兩年它已經成立了200個社所以因此我們在114年跟117年就延續的事辦計畫來編制4年的一個中長程發展計畫"},{"start":28692.879,"end":28694.099,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":28718.362,"end":28746.127,"text":"請問一下你這合作社的定義是什麼哪些算是合作社合作社的相關規定它是只要7個人它就可以去籌組一個合作社因為我們現在為了在地能夠去成立合作社然後促進很多的發展那因為它的面向有包括大部分都屬於比較農業性的農業比較多包括零下經濟然後包括了很多一些長期照顧"},{"start":28748.466,"end":28750.727,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":28772.84,"end":28786.716,"text":"因為我們現在是要成立新的而且原住民他們現在有很多這方面的需求我們現在很多科長他們都會到台東還有到一些國家公園處"},{"start":28791.241,"end":28793.622,"text":"三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":28812.613,"end":28828.406,"text":"他們那邊是有一些補助他們那邊有他們的專案補助但是要成立社外要來我們這邊去做申請登記那我們有一些資本的資助還有它組成裡面的運作這個都是由內政部這邊來協助跟幫忙"},{"start":28830.51,"end":28841.885,"text":"你剛提到說動審之後這一塊就一直都沒有對都沒有去搶內經會那現在為什麼也忽然又要開始做這樣的事情"},{"start":28842.611,"end":28866.659,"text":"因為依合作社法裡面的相關規定因為有民間團體到監察院去陳情那監察院有到我們內政部這邊來考核結果他就要求我們去寫這方面的計畫怎麼樣去推動這個合作社我們是因為這樣子的案所以我們在每一年年底都要由我們的行政院的政務委員率領我們到監察院做報告"},{"start":28870.597,"end":28881.804,"text":"你剛剛提到原住民的部分,我的耳朵就非常的尖銳了。請問一下,現在你們要準備輔導原住民哪幾個合作社?"},{"start":28883.959,"end":28885.5,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":28906.871,"end":28922.381,"text":"因為我們今年有陸續到臺東還有屏東還有一些國家公園管理處那邊有很多一些原住民的部落他們要去成立合作社那我們有都過去輔導"},{"start":28923.522,"end":28943.248,"text":"因為他們可能在針對合作社的成立的過程他的要件以及包括他可以申請的一些資本支出的一些相關的契機以及未來在可能社務的運作裡面的相關的運作情形我們這邊都會都會有專人去協助跟輔導"},{"start":28944.79,"end":28960.002,"text":"你現在已經編了這樣的預算嘛那你總會要清楚知道要輔導多少個你不能夠給我說你到了台東去以後花蓮去以後有聽有這種聲音來不然你這個預算是怎麼出來的你是憑空想像出來的嗎跟該經委員報告齁因為我們現在有整個一個相關的計畫啦那原住民這塊計畫你們準備編列多少"},{"start":28974.878,"end":28979.442,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分"},{"start":28991.674,"end":28993.296,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":29006.846,"end":29012.768,"text":"二、繼續審查內政部主管部分。三、繼續審查內政部主管部分。四、繼續審查內政部主管部分。五、繼續審查內政部主管部分。六、繼續審查內政部主管部分。"},{"start":29034.349,"end":29054.989,"text":"你這些預算夠不夠?你準備百分之幾是放在原住民身上?因為我們是分4年的發展計畫我知道這4年要怎麼樣來做輔導原住民的這個所謂的社團有一個輔導中心原住民我會有個原住民的專案管理輔導中心"},{"start":29055.609,"end":29056.37,"text":"四、繼續審查內政部函送"},{"start":29086.049,"end":29109.335,"text":"那個跟高雄委員報告齁因為原委會那個他裡面有成立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等我一下 劉委員那個書面報告的部分齁 如果最後的決議是這樣的話我們要求這個內政部把113年相關計畫的一些執行成效啦就你們過去的媒宣 這一年的媒宣都發了什麼案子 做在哪些地方就並在這個書面報告裡面一併提供 好不好這個相關的 這個使用的明細啦還有一些計畫的一些內容 一併來做提供 好不好"},{"start":31209.488,"end":31215.225,"text":"我跟各位報告哈就所以剛剛大家現在要的是第三份是剛剛說"},{"start":31218.73,"end":31240.766,"text":"媒體宣導剪裂500萬剪裂完的就凍結五分之一然後提出書面報告然後再加上剛剛劉委員所說的你們把113年你們做的沒宣的部分請你們也提供計畫"},{"start":31244.808,"end":31264.195,"text":"好 這個我們是不是協商一下 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