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還自己去違法挪我們要給地方政府的一般補助款哪一個國家的行政部門是這樣胡搞瞎搞的我為什麼提去年執行的狀況"},{"start":406.946,"end":416.452,"text":"三個兩百九十九億你還有六百多億根本沒執行我們可以把六百多億告訴各位為什麼沒有執行公布在網站上面的報告"},{"start":417.982,"end":439.807,"text":"給你兩兆多億 八千多億你根本執行不利嘛你根本執行不完嘛你沒有執行然後結果現在在哭窮說喊錢不夠 沒有關係啦我直接請教你在114年中央政府總預算我就問一個最簡單的問題有三地方補助款嗎"},{"start":441.257,"end":469.159,"text":"有沒有 立法院要行政院自行調整來 我們來看嘛113年中央政府總預算有沒有三地方補助款113年 立法院要求行政院自行調整對不起啊 113年113年是去年去年立法院在三總預算的時候有沒有三地方補助款你去年520就開始當行政院院長了"},{"start":470.04,"end":488.974,"text":"那要經過兩院協調你去年有多少錢 可以花多少錢錢從哪裡來你今天站在這邊似乎不是很清楚啊有跟立法院有跟行政院協調過嗎協商過事情調整的內容嗎對不起啊 我現在請教你的是113年我們在審預算的時候有沒有三地方補助款"},{"start":490.06,"end":511.553,"text":"有還是沒有因為沒有要行政院刪減630例這麼高的數額我們從其他地方來自行調整我們行政院可以吸收我是針對問題啊113年請你看著螢幕好了你把113年114年全部都搞混了113年讓一屆的國會在審113年的預算有沒有刪除地方補助款因為沒有像114年刪減"},{"start":517.336,"end":540.538,"text":"這樣的1630例這麼高的三減數我們可以自行調整113年在3的時候有3地方補助款排除一般補助款3的4%為什麼要提113年因為你才有一個best line可以比較114年嘛113年上一屆的國會喔有3億"},{"start":541.98,"end":564.096,"text":"給地方政府的補助款喔 刪了4%喔但是排除了一般補助款請問114年中央政府總預算案有刪給地方政府的補助款嗎 有還是沒有沒有嘛立法院要行政院自行調整就沒有啊自行調整對啊 但是自行調整的項目是什麼請你看一下 提案單好不好"},{"start":565.202,"end":588.443,"text":"你這樣子齁連白紙黑字的東西連白紙黑字的東西你都可以在這邊硬凹都可以在這邊裝著看不見請你看著你螢幕上面的文字中央各機關級所屬你有沒有看到中央各機關級所屬委員所寫的白紙黑字刪不到939億"},{"start":591.169,"end":609.89,"text":"後面不是有統三嗎所以我們自行調整所以去年有沒有統三 去年也有統三本院向來在審查預算的慣例就是這個樣子從來沒有這樣審查過你從去年開始當行政院院長從來沒有這樣審查過連立法院在審預算基本的規則都不懂"},{"start":611.434,"end":627.826,"text":"來我們113年我們為什麼上一屆的國會在刪地方補助款的時候他不刪一般性的補助一般性的補助是不是法律義務支出是還是不是他是一般性的補助跟"},{"start":628.999,"end":644.825,"text":"這個計劃型補助兩項所以地方的補助一般型補助裡面的內容一般性補助款是不是法律義務支出一般性補助的內容是對法律上應有的支出比方對社福對教育對基本設施所以一般性的補助款是不是法定義務支出"},{"start":646.038,"end":668.169,"text":"但是行政院基於補助的原則 我們是自行調整自行調整是應立法院之要求奇怪 我再問A 你不敢回答A 再答B我直接告訴你答案啦你的秘書長在面對我質詢的時候說就他了解一般性補助款不是法律義務支出我一個字都沒扭曲喔"},{"start":669.315,"end":689.533,"text":"我一個字都沒扭曲喔從立法院公報截下來的我們再往下看奇怪了行政院去年的時候發函一般性的補助款是法律義務支出不得刪除奇怪了怎麼你們去年行政院的發函跟今年狗明星講的話完全不一樣"},{"start":690.877,"end":713.397,"text":"這個法律義務支出不就是你們行政院的函列出來的嗎來看一下紅框框起來的字我黃國昌問政向來有所本的啦框起來的字來看一下114年度中央政府總預算案編列依法律義務支出明細表清楚的框了出來對地方政府的一般性補助款"},{"start":714.448,"end":734.755,"text":"你們行政院老早就知道這是法律義務支出結果即使是法律義務支出明明知道國會沒有刪減你還是自己決定國會要求中央政府機關及其所屬通案刪減的項目"},{"start":736.633,"end":762.381,"text":"我用三句話 第一個當天我們當天還有一句話說如果立法院審議結果有所刪減如果依照立法院審議結果有所刪減所以我剛剛才請教你嘛今年中央政府總預算有刪給地方政府的補助款嗎 答案就是沒有嘛跟去年比 公案刪減的項目一模一樣第二個 我現在在問你"},{"start":763.667,"end":786.809,"text":"給地方的一般性補助款是不是法律義務支出你繞來繞去耶這麼簡單這麼直率這麼明確的問題不敢回答為什麼不敢回答因為你知道這是法律義務支出嘛對其中的教育社福跟基本設施我們可以保留我們再繼續往下看 爭域裁員的部分我們考量可以調整 三不勝下的法律行政院要不要遵守"},{"start":789.366,"end":814.692,"text":"三讀生效的法律行政院要不要遵守這是針對明年 116年這是針對116年 來您的螢幕前面有白紙黑字我們要給國人一個好的示範我們在談法律的時候就談法律一個字一個字的談法律不是你在答詢台上面捏造出來的法律條文來看著條文念"},{"start":815.732,"end":834.817,"text":"中央政府給予地方政府的一般性補助款不得少於修正施行前一年預算編列數寫得很清楚嘛寫得非常清楚嘛所以嘛就法律條文就清楚的看法律條文結果你們的發言人說"},{"start":836.296,"end":853.832,"text":"這個是新版的財化法只對青年3月23號以後要編的明年度總預算發生效力看著把立條文來看一下中央政府給予地方政府的一般性補助款他的動詞是什麼是給予"},{"start":855.011,"end":883.162,"text":"他的動詞是給予我簡單問一個問題財政收支劃分法什麼時候生效這個已經在今年送到立法院財政收支劃分法什麼時候生效什麼時候生效12月多少3月的時候生效後來我們有經過事件比較晚沒有啦你們後來所有的程序都搞完了以後這些複製全部都搞完總統才會公告嘛那你怎麼連複製的程序都搞不懂"},{"start":884.417,"end":905.719,"text":"在復議以前 總統總會公告 就是公告才會生效嘛他是公告生效 對嘛 所以3月生效對不對明年的中央政府總會生效3月生效對不對好 我們進一步來看 請問你們什麼時候重新核定給地方政府的補助款什麼時候重新核定"},{"start":906.977,"end":925.679,"text":"重新核定對啊 你給地方政府的一般性補助款去年8月的時候核定嘛今年你苛扣了636億嘛你重新核定的金額嘛你重新核定的金額是什麼時候我們不是苛扣 我們是自行調整沒有關係啊 隨便你要用什麼形容詞什麼時候做這件事的"},{"start":926.3,"end":945.461,"text":"我們那個韓在今年五六月五月份的時候吧我記得 說得很好那不是苛扣 那是沒有關係啊我隨便你用什麼形容詞啊五月十六號核定的三月法律生效你五月還敢幹這件事喔那是對明年的法律我就說你要看法律聊我嗎"},{"start":970.05,"end":970.09,"text":"好 謝謝好 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是公告才會生效嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：它是公告生效，所以我們……"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！所以3月生效對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：明年的中央政府總預算……"],["黃委員國昌：3月生效對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：明年的中央政府總預算已經依照新的財劃法來編列。"],["黃委員國昌：3月生效，對不對？好，我們進一步來看，請問你們什麼時候重新核定給地方政府的補助款？什麼時候重新核定？"],["卓院長榮泰：重新核定……"],["黃委員國昌：對啊，你給地方政府的一般性補助款去年8月的時候核定，今年你剋扣了636億，你重新核定了金額，你重新核定的金額是什麼時候？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們不是剋扣，我們是自行調整。"],["黃委員國昌：沒有關係啊！隨便你要用什麼形容詞，什麼時候做這件事的？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們那個函是在今年5月份的時候吧，我記得……"],["黃委員國昌：說得很好啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：那不是剋扣，那是自行調整。"],["黃委員國昌：沒有關係，我隨便你用什麼形容詞，5月16日核定的，3月法律生效，你5月還敢幹這件事喔！"],["卓院長榮泰：那是對明年的法律、明年的中央政府總預算……"],["黃委員國昌：我就說你要看法律條文……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們明年是依照……"],["黃委員國昌：你要看法律條文，法律條文的解釋是你卓榮泰捏造上面沒有的文字嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們是以法律生效……"],["黃委員國昌：3月生效，你5月還敢剋扣給地方政府的補助款。"],["卓院長榮泰：不溯及既往……"],["黃委員國昌：違法濫權、莫此為甚！違法濫權、莫此為甚！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們明年……"],["黃委員國昌：3月生效，你5月剋扣，這樣叫溯及既往！"],["卓院長榮泰：黃委員，生日快樂！"],["黃委員國昌：你法律哪裡學的？"],["主席：謝謝黃國昌委員的質詢，再次祝福黃國昌委員生日快樂，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","報告院會，我們現在休息進行黨團溝通，請各黨團幹部10時30分在議場後方主席休息室進行相關溝通，溝通完畢之後，我們再行開會，這段時間也請卓院長及相關部會首長休息，準備備詢，現在休息。","休息（10時21分）","繼續開會（11時29分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":292,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-25","speakers":["韓國瑜","陳昭姿","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","黃國昌","徐富癸","楊瓊瓔","鍾佳濱","王鴻薇","鄭天財Sra 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