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四條更明確表示中央立法定的一些地方稅的稅率我們把這邊就定下來那麼第三條根本就跟第四條本身沒有關聯性的所以放在這邊體力反而有點怪反而會有點混淆所以我們建議是不需要放這個文字"},{"start":4502.639,"end":4528.934,"text":"你是覺得不需要放在第四條裡頭?那你再講一下好不好?哪一個?我講一下齁?第三條是第三條啦!第四條就第四條啦!第四條就中央立法的部分就是第四條部分!第一條跟第三條到哪一條?不是不需要!是完成立法題完全衝突就不行了!這不是說需要不需要的問題!反正你知道你這個立法都會發生衝突!所以陳義生委員"},{"start":4532.236,"end":4535.578,"text":"三條及第四條條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":4559.923,"end":4563.194,"text":"條文修正第三條文修正第三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文"},{"start":4563.891,"end":4569.054,"text":"條文修正第三條文修正第三條文修正第三條文修正第三條文修正第三條文修正第三條文修正第三條文修正第三條文"},{"start":4592.056,"end":4598.023,"text":"條條文修正第三條條文修正第四條條文修正第四條條文修正第四條條文修正第四條條文修正第四條條文修正第四條條文修正第四條條文修正第四條條文"},{"start":4613.538,"end":4617.401,"text":"條文修正草案案。（國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":4628.442,"end":4649.362,"text":"我想這一條財政部也說得不清不楚財政部基本上好像支持第三項但是他說要放在哪裡他這個是沒有很確定其實體力有沒有問題我想法是我們立法者在創的我們在立的其實這一條有它的必要性剛剛部長說沒有必要性"},{"start":4650.023,"end":4650.984,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":4665.862,"end":4667.002,"text":"條文修正草案案。（國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":4692.133,"end":4712.489,"text":"我們是要解決問題,不是要製造麻煩,也不是要法律,你聽我講,地方沒有,中央議法部門才有百分之三十的限制,地方都沒有百分之三十,所以第三條沒有加這個的疑惑,所以你把這個東西,"},{"start":4714.15,"end":4716.612,"text":"三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":4726.84,"end":4732.744,"text":"條文修正三十條條文修正三十條條文修正三十條條文修正三十條條文修正三十條條"},{"start":4747.495,"end":4767.562,"text":"法院議員我們休息三分鐘請我再講一次就是說我覺得財政部剛剛講的其實蠻清楚的他的意思是說這一個是你多出來的文字因為第三條指的就是地方的他自己做的這些稅客然後第四條現在如果按照新法中央立法他是中央定的地方稅所以一個有30%一個沒有30%"},{"start":4769.343,"end":4777.287,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正四條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文"},{"start":4796.431,"end":4810.729,"text":"我們提到後再說明你以後裡面我覺得不必啦因為不可能的事情你知道你就除了再說明來說這個不可以第三條不可以這樣放所以那剛才戴斯堡委員演示的題目也是這樣"},{"start":4811.946,"end":4827.365,"text":"那財政部也贊成這樣,所以這個不是說明人的問題,這是立法提議完全衝突的東西。好,我們看的樣子要溝通一下,三分鐘大概不夠,我們休息十分鐘好了,大家跟私底下來溝通一下,好請休息十分鐘。"},{"start":5756.817,"end":5758.578,"text":"謝謝院長我想我再說明一下就是說第四條我們第一項裡面文字加進去的中央立法所訂的地方稅"},{"start":5784.431,"end":5785.132,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":5800.775,"end":5827.95,"text":"他並不是中央立法的地方稅。第三條是地方政府基於財政自治的需要他自己去訂了相關的稅客的地方稅。那麼地方稅自然他就沒有第四條的第一項的一個百分之三十規定的一個限制的一個適用的範圍所以這個部分非常明確所以我們認為呢這個第三項呢事實上是一個罪第一個是罪與第二個在體力上也有一些混淆的一個情況以上的補充謝謝請柯總召請"},{"start":5832.082,"end":5847.23,"text":"我想今天是我們草野生以來本屆以來最和諧的一次,那珍惜這個結果,往後是不是能夠如此下去,有待造化,但是造化總是弄人的。"},{"start":5849.844,"end":5871.635,"text":"好,這個事情很單純很簡單,其實當時財政部講過,中央立法的部分的地方稅的話,中央立法的部分,可以加,反正太多加,反正三十,地方立法的地方立法的沒有一趴都不能加,就是這樣明確,所以地方立法的不能加,不能加。"},{"start":5883.264,"end":5906.218,"text":"所以第三條和第四條規範和委員完全不一樣,標的也不一樣。所以把第三條放在第四條的第三項,這是立法體育的衝突。那當然我知道因為這一個案子,提案人一開始是賴司法委員,他們有第三項。"},{"start":5907.259,"end":5922.086,"text":"當然是傅文綺自己又提了第三項出來,那這一部分剛才我講得很清楚就是說沒有關係,傅文綺現在人在香港,明天才把申請做,我們不急這個天,我講的這是比較重要的事情請大家注意聽,我希望就是說我們這個禮拜五,"},{"start":5932.932,"end":5939.536,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":5947.762,"end":5975.437,"text":"第一個剛才講政教稅的部分也應該加入,大家等嘛。然後另外要送送送送公告三天,所以這個一定要禮拜五三讀三讀。禮拜五這個有關地方稅法通則也要完成三讀,我想這個都很靈確。然後我們有關於運動部運動部運動彩券,運彩要抓賭博的。運動彩券要抓賭博的。"},{"start":5977.117,"end":5978.018,"text":"（國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":5999.526,"end":6000.747,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":6017.235,"end":6020.256,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":6035.64,"end":6037.902,"text":"三條之二條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":6052.317,"end":6073.615,"text":"今天這樣差不多,都有共識,副總商來你們比較好決定,我也尊重,尤其民進黨他也很理性,他都同意了。今天是不是學長倒數為十?後面還有啊,交通發展條例啊,還有警察人事條例也是我們非常關心的啊。"},{"start":6079.659,"end":6105.308,"text":"有關於發展觀光條例、警察人員人事還有所謂的這個什麼...這些都是民生法案啊?這些很重要,我知道,很重要。但是呢,今天能夠讓這裡來禮拜五的議程能夠完成,下禮拜要繼續其他才有再來,我以上...拜託不要拾氣一點,你不要再衝了,衝啊,一萬十一、兩萬十三,搞不完啦。"},{"start":6108.677,"end":6114.98,"text":"這禮拜五當然如果民進黨我不是幹部但是我覺得民進黨如果不先發站主席才不會有其他的事情那我們按照原來議程照那天上個禮拜五怎麼排就這樣一直排下去一直討論下去嘛"},{"start":6136.067,"end":6139.029,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":6157.921,"end":6162.442,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":6183.959,"end":6201.684,"text":"今天已經想大家有共識支持,剩下副問題總召出現,你們就敢簽嘛,就結束了。這樣明天就會是在協商國民事業吧,有三十八項還沒協商。那第三、第四,那時候是議程還在很後面,根本不必,今天講的都白講了,太早了。"},{"start":6212.81,"end":6228.585,"text":"多官員在這邊部長那這樣好不好我們第二條地方稅法通則第四條條文修正我想這個我們就把它暫時保留那現在其實已經談了差不多但是還差最後一點點我想讓大家打成共識那也特別跟部長也報告一下好不好"},{"start":6228.865,"end":6233.127,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":6256.553,"end":6273.321,"text":"條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條"},{"start":6286.42,"end":6290.084,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":6301.536,"end":6325.425,"text":"你不能國民社會才要協商這個交通條例?你不注重觀光嗎?警察人事條例耶!你不注重警察的退休福利嗎?怎麼會排上?現在才三點四十五,怎麼不能協商呢?你不在乎警察的福利嗎?警察,警示人,警察人員,他們在遠巡啦!而且時間還沒到!民進黨就跑掉!時間還沒到!民進黨就跑掉!"},{"start":6334.37,"end":6336.691,"text":"等案。（國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":6350.322,"end":6352.504,"text":"條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條文修正三條"},{"start":6366.237,"end":6370.201,"text":"三條之二條文修正草案案。．國民黨團提議．民進黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":6388.28,"end":6392.922,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正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其實我們會議詢問的第一個要點就是說那接下來的協商那如果說國民黨黨團的這個總召副總召不在的時候那到底協商算不算數因為其實剛剛這個講到第二個案子的時候就卡住了嘛就卡住了嘛"},{"start":7883.682,"end":7886.644,"text":"條文修正草案案。（國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":7912.483,"end":7938.475,"text":"我是希望能夠尊重發言啦那第二條就是說這個不要扯別人是什麼心水小偷那問一下那現在就是說在立法院裡面那院長去查一下嘛在立法院裡面多少的立法員現在在辦公室裡面的要不要去查一下我們在這邊已經在這邊做協商了那那個協商你看又來了他又不尊重你了他又不尊重你了又不尊重你了又不尊重了又不尊重發言了"},{"start":7938.815,"end":7939.876,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議"},{"start":7961.85,"end":7963.231,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正"},{"start":7981.958,"end":8009.43,"text":"對於我們的柯總召年齡歧視,就是你啊,就是你,我就講陳玉珍,我就講你陳玉珍,就是對於柯總召就是做年齡歧視啊,就是你就欺負,你就覺得說他好像年紀比你大,又來了,韓院長,韓院長,我這次叫對了,你看他又阻撓,他又阻撓我講話了,對不對,我每次我來這邊講話的時候,我也是算是心靜的嘛,就是這樣子會欺負人家這樣而已啊,"},{"start":8010.13,"end":8012.291,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":8032.52,"end":8033.861,"text":"第二條及第七十條條文修正草案案。．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":8060.219,"end":8079.465,"text":"因為國民黨團正式來請求,當然民進黨黨團如果提出請求,我們也一定要照辦,願本部一定要辦,特別跟省委員解釋一下,好不好?那你每次發言,你看我當主席都很尊重你,好不好?多羨慕你的髮型啊。好,我們現在請國民黨團提案,黨團請發言。"},{"start":8083.24,"end":8085.581,"text":"國民黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．民進黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨黨團提議．國民黨黨黨團提議．國民黨黨黨團提議．國民黨黨黨團提議．國民黨黨黨團提議．國民黨黨黨團提議．國民黨黨黨團提議"},{"start":8112.642,"end":8114.663,"text":"條條文修正草案。（國民黨黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":8133.848,"end":8135.389,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":8160.487,"end":8180.359,"text":"現在是把罰則是增加了,大概增加一倍左右啦。那這個的部分是第五十三條,希望不要擴大解釋,並沒有針對於條文文字上面修正的做處理。那另外七十之二條,就是針對於這個再延長五年的一個部分,就這兩個條文以上說明。謝謝,請吳思瑤幹事長請發言。"},{"start":8186.804,"end":8189.025,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條"},{"start":8209.488,"end":8226.643,"text":"條文修正草案案 當初在審查會當中大家希望對於電入國家榮譽損害國家利益規定這兩個內容要予以做調整我想就教於部長或者是署長"},{"start":8232.588,"end":8233.349,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":8248.241,"end":8250.143,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8277.602,"end":8278.362,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8302.272,"end":8304.373,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8329.321,"end":8343.691,"text":"還有旅館業、旅行業、觀光遊樂業或民宿經營者。」主題做了這個調整更細緻多元與時俱進但是同樣的呢電入國家榮譽這個部分都還在損害國家利益"},{"start":8344.411,"end":8346.733,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8367.41,"end":8385.115,"text":"所以我這些的說法應當都是整個嚴格嘛那最近一次距離我們今天修法就是現行法應當是民國一百一十一年的五月三號修正的條次就沒有動五十三條再一次針對所謂的觀光旅館業這些經營者有墊入國家榮譽損害國家利益他都保留這些樣態"},{"start":8392.118,"end":8393.964,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":8399.281,"end":8401.463,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":8425.661,"end":8448.659,"text":"報告委員,我們當然認為沒有調整的必要,尤其是這個涉及到跟國家榮譽或者是國家利益的這些用語的法令跟命令,其實我們在其他的法令跟規定裡面也相當的多。其中涉及國家榮譽的總共有八種法令跟條文,交通部當中涉及有六種,那其他部會有兩種。"},{"start":8449.58,"end":8450.301,"text":"國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8472.401,"end":8474.922,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8497.888,"end":8500.11,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8528.429,"end":8530.09,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":8554.369,"end":8568.723,"text":"我們對於這個所謂同樣的規範電入國家榮譽跟這個損害國家利益在教育部相關的法律應當也蠻多有規範嗎?教育部李副處長不用客氣請直接發言那邊前面有麥克風請往前您走過來對對對"},{"start":8574.738,"end":8576.46,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":8600.168,"end":8602.85,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":8624.704,"end":8631.809,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正四條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":8646.564,"end":8647.045,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8665.945,"end":8667.126,"text":"條文修正三、研商"},{"start":8682.244,"end":8696.665,"text":"條文修正草案。（國民黨黨團提議（國外跟國內都有類似的案例還有我們在疫情期間那個洛特夫他們在執行這個防疫的時候也確實我們也用這個條文否則的話這個沒辦法維持觀光產業的秩序"},{"start":8697.526,"end":8698.246,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8720.452,"end":8721.173,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8739.514,"end":8740.375,"text":"條條文修正草案案。（國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":8763.476,"end":8765.076,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議"},{"start":8786.901,"end":8788.142,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":8816.776,"end":8818.296,"text":"條文修正草案案案案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":8851.547,"end":8853.709,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":8874.665,"end":8902.022,"text":"你的發言時間已經很久了。你的發言時間非常久了。主席我的發言時間。不要這樣弄頭親骨。來。來。所以這個條文53條。主席。我不是對主席拍桌子。我是對於一直在插話的委員。很不能忍受。"},{"start":8904.107,"end":8916.997,"text":"條文的部分上限上限的調整然後就是再確認一下你的立場下限不做調整對上限左右提升嘛好那我了解謝謝"},{"start":8918.664,"end":8922.586,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":8937.422,"end":8939.403,"text":"條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條文修正第三十條"},{"start":8952.852,"end":8954.873,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":8980.316,"end":9002.155,"text":"你把附带决议拿来,谢谢啊。好,我们接下来请沈博洋委员请发言。好,我简短先说明,就是说,第一个刚刚为什么会讨论到,就是说,这一个玷污国家荣誉等等之类的,那是因为在委员会讨论的时候,有委员有这样的意见啊。就说,诶,这个是不是还的确定在上面,所以刚刚私下委员要讲这个理由是这个。"},{"start":9002.916,"end":9031.054,"text":"但第二個我覺得蠻重要的一件事情是現在我覺得等一下我們要去討論那一個額度上限下限那個應該是後面因為我覺得大家對於這件事情比較沒有爭議就只是那個額度要怎麼調但這個條文裡面有一個很大的問題在哪裡就是徐宇貞委員這個提案他加了幾句話他說經法院判決確定者然後後面就說可以廢止執照登記啊什麼的這個經法院判決確定者會等於實質就直接弱化主管機關了"},{"start":9032.11,"end":9058.047,"text":"因為我舉個例子比如說像我們最近這個上將到中國參與統戰國防部不是就直接做了一個裁處去砍他的退休金等等之類的這個完全無待於任何的司法判決就可以先做這是主管機關的權責然後如果司法另外又有案子那是他的事情那是另外一件事司法有案子有刑責或者有罰金跟主管機關有沒有罰還完全是兩件事"},{"start":9058.627,"end":9059.668,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":9080.623,"end":9081.984,"text":"條文修正草案案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":9106.678,"end":9115.197,"text":"但如果要拆開,變得比較漂亮,我個人也是贊成。」大概就是這樣,謝謝。謝謝沈博焱委員發言。接下來請蔡易瑜委員發言,黃建豪委員請準備。"},{"start":9119.107,"end":9141.276,"text":"謝謝主席那我想我們如同主席一開始才是的我們現在是從53條先討論所以剛剛這個林倩琦委員有講到36條事實上我對林倩琦委員講36條我也是很關心因為我每年都在推動從我們布袋騎水上摩托車到澎湖"},{"start":9142.696,"end":9143.216,"text":"（國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨黨團提議．"},{"start":9171.681,"end":9174.263,"text":"條文修正三十六條文修正三十六條文修正三十六條文修正三十六條文"},{"start":9192.637,"end":9193.558,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":9214.019,"end":9215.339,"text":"條文修正草案。．國民黨黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．國民黨團提議．"},{"start":9241.205,"end":9244.266,"text":"所謂觀光業者的受僱人員然後也有這樣對應的一些處罰所以處罰是越來越嚴格看起來嚴格那這個處罰的金額也有提高所以基本上大家是重視這件事我剛剛看到部長他也有舉出幾個例子說在95年的時候曾經有旅遊業者接待中國的旅客來台灣結果竟然被"},{"start":9270.157,"end":9272.618,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條"},{"start":9292.623,"end":9295.005,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文"},{"start":9314.358,"end":9317.2,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正三條條文修正三條條文"},{"start":9344.258,"end":9344.411,"text":"條文修正三條條文修正草案案。（國民黨黨團提議（"},{"start":9345.137,"end":9360.067,"text":"有些事需要查證,包括那個我們直接用那個直接裁罰只有十五萬,太低。所以應該要用採取最嚴格的,就停業三個月。當時的情境是這樣,但是五十三條一樣是有可以停業,那甚至可以到廢紙及營業執照啊。五十三條一樣有這樣的規定啊。"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