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謝謝洪孟凱委員的資訊"}]},"gazette":{"lineno":457,"blocks":[["洪委員孟楷：（10時6分）謝謝主席，麻煩請卓榮泰院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：洪委員好。"],["洪委員孟楷：卓院長好。卓院長，114年行政院送出來的總預算及這一次8月所送出來的追加預算，總共有三高、一低四個特點。三高分別是總預算規模史上最高，即便是通過了立法院的審查，仍高達2兆9,300億元左右，是中華民國歷屆政府史上最高的總預算；第二、如果再加計這一次的追加預算八百多億的話，將首次突破3兆元預算，追加預算也創歷史新高；第三、回編率史上最高。立法院依照人民給予立法委員的職權監督政府、把關預算、看緊人民荷包，但是當我們請行政部門撙節開支的時候，沒想到這一次追加預算又再回編，回編率史上最高。一低，什麼低？刪除率，如果扣除台電1,000億，這一次假設全部都回編的話，將會是史上最低的刪除率，過去8年即便是民進黨國會多數、全面過半，刪除率也沒有那麼低過，低達0.65%，換言之，當初行政院所提出的3兆元預算，在現在回編率創新高的情況下，刪除率只有0.65%。院長拿了那麼多錢，手上那麼多現金，過去一直推說這是經濟表現亮眼，地方政府也編高，所以行政部門也編高，但是我開宗明義第一點就跟你說了，總預算也是史上最高，高達2兆9,300億。今年三分之二過去了，到現在又再推出一個所謂的八百多億的追加預算，這個追加預算裡面分兩塊，我想先跟您就教，到目前為止，有哪一個部門的補貼是人民反映有窒礙難行，或在被凍結又解凍之後沒有領到補貼嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員這樣對數字的整理，確實也沒錯。"],["洪委員孟楷：確實沒錯，非常好。"],["卓院長榮泰：行政院編的預算比較高……"],["洪委員孟楷：行政院院長剛剛已經親口承認了三高一低的預算就是確實沒錯。"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，你要讓我講完嘛！這樣斷章……我是說包括您所在的新北市，今年的預算也是史上最高，最高並不是罪過，重要的是看你有沒有做什麼事情。我們今年編的預算當中有2,809億我一再強調是新增事項，是過去所沒有的，如果這些新增事項都不要的話，我們就跟過去一樣，在經過大院的刪減之後，我們就只有去年的92%。"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，本席問的問題跟你回答的方向完全不一致。"],["卓院長榮泰：第一個問的是為什麼高……"],["洪委員孟楷：可不可以請你針對問題回答問題？"],["卓院長榮泰：那第二個問題……"],["洪委員孟楷：到現在三分之二的年度過去了，到底有哪一些預算，該拿到沒拿到……人民的補貼，當初造謠說租金補貼、教育補貼、幼兒津貼甚至是體育相關預算，有哪一筆預算是沒有拿到的？"],["卓院長榮泰：我要謝謝大院，在今年上半年之後有比較快的速度跟效率回復了一些凍結的預算，凍結預算之後解除了我們……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以沒有嘛！是不是？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們一千多億的凍結有部分解除……"],["洪委員孟楷：是不是沒有？"],["卓院長榮泰：但我們還是有包括台電在內的1,439億被刪除……"],["洪委員孟楷：不要再講台電。"],["卓院長榮泰：扣掉台電還有439億被刪除。"],["洪委員孟楷：人民已經用公投也好，或是用兩次的投票，都已經正告行政部門，錯誤的能源政策不改，什麼電都沒有用！","院長，我再跟你請教，這一次的追加預算八百多億，本席就事論事，分兩個部分，一個是636億是地方政府的補助款，一個是將近300億，也就是所謂的其他各單位，對不對？我們分兩塊。"],["卓院長榮泰：還有一些新增的項目。"],["洪委員孟楷：沒問題，我們分兩塊。我想立法院從頭到尾沒有說要刪除這個必須依法編列的一般補助款，636億，自行調整的部分，行政院用乾坤大挪移把它挪移到25%，也就是所謂的636億。那我請教，什麼時候行政院確認要刪636億、刪除掉地方政府的補助款？"],["卓院長榮泰：在大院確定刪除預算之後，我們也對預算提出了各種救濟，都沒有辦法獲得……"],["洪委員孟楷：什麼時候確定？"],["卓院長榮泰：我沒有辦法講時間……"],["洪委員孟楷：六百多億，行政院長不知道時間！"],["卓院長榮泰：你要問我哪一天嗎？"],["洪委員孟楷：不是，什麼時候確定？月份。"],["卓院長榮泰：就是在大院刪除之後，我們經過各項救濟都沒有辦法回復的時候，我們看看各部會已經被刪除的預算……"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，國事如麻，今年1月立法院通過了總預算；2月總統召集協商，立法院長、行政院長一起協商，那是2月的事情。當時韓國瑜院長也提出可以請行政部門用追加預算來辦理，不一定要提覆議，行政院不聽。3月提出覆議之後被立法院打臉，到5月你們提出了地方政府的補助款刪除。現在幾月？"],["卓院長榮泰：對，所以我們在那個時候……"],["洪委員孟楷：現在幾月？"],["卓院長榮泰：在之後我們還要看各部會執行的困難。"],["洪委員孟楷：不是，院長，我現在跟你討論636億，在5月的時候你們提出了刪除地方政府636億？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：地方政府是不是馬上在禮拜四的行政院院會都告訴行政院長說這樣不可，會有窒礙難行之處？因為地方政府的命根子、地方政府財源會被你全部都卡掉。"],["卓院長榮泰：當時我有請地方……我們中央、地方一體一起共體時艱。"],["洪委員孟楷：結果現在8月才提出追加預算。"],["卓院長榮泰：因為我還有各部會……"],["洪委員孟楷：那請教過去這3個月在幹什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們除了地方政府的反映之外，還有各部會在執行上實際發生的困難。我們不可能辦……"],["洪委員孟楷：我們現在在討論的是636億……"],["卓院長榮泰：第一次或第二次的追加。"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，你沒有辦法針對問題、解決問題、回答問題，這樣子我們很難理性溝通。就如同剛剛吳思瑤委員都已經在講，吳思瑤委員現在要離開了，但他剛剛在講，我們就事論事、就問題解決問題，本席現在在請教的是……"],["卓院長榮泰：你說我什麼時候提出追加預算嘛！"],["洪委員孟楷：636億你們提出來，地方政府也講窒礙難行。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：5月的時候提出來。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：到現在8月了，那中間3個月的時間……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們還有各部會……"],["洪委員孟楷：主計長或行政院院長應該也很清楚。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們還有各部會的窒礙難行啊！"],["洪委員孟楷：地方政府是不是……即便是現在我們8月底要通過地方補助款的話，有可能很多的發包、很多的工程、很多過去行之有年的建設，在最後的4個月也會來不及。"],["陳主計長淑姿：報告委員，這個部分如果刪減一般性補助款，影響到的是歲入，就歲出，如果它本身照案執行，它還是照樣可以發包，只是將來就是……所以這個部分我們就有掐定它的一個時間。"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，本席很認真地跟你討論的地方是在於哪裡？在於2月韓國瑜院長就已經代表立法院也說明了可以用追加預算，行政院不聽，3月一定要提覆議。覆議完之後，5月乾坤大挪移，把636億挪移到地方政府的補助款，結果到現在都8月了！非得一定要大罷免、大失敗之後，你們才要做相關的救濟嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是這樣子的，我說過……"],["洪委員孟楷：這看起來就是如此。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們要讓各部會執行上真的發生困難的時候，反映到院裡面，我們一併提出追加預算。"],["洪委員孟楷：你們現在的狀況，從一開始本席開宗明義就講了，你也說了三高一低的預算，拿到史上最高的總預算，結果現在三分之二的年度過去了才在那邊講要追加預算，這不是拿地方政府來綁架立法院，什麼才是！"],["卓院長榮泰：最大宗的就是636億，這個回到地方，大家解決問題……"],["洪委員孟楷：是！所以這就是代表行政部門過去應該依法編列的地方政府補助款的預算被你們拿來綁架，變成拿來跟立法院叫板嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：因為行政院……"],["洪委員孟楷：看準了立法院苦民所苦，看準了……"],["卓院長榮泰：因為行政院被刪減了那麼多的預算，我們已經……"],["洪委員孟楷：看準了立法院我們希望大家能夠推動，所以636億我們會支持，但是你們到現在8月的時候才要提出！"],["卓院長榮泰：我還是要強調那一句話，水庫的水被抽光了，流向支流的就會減少，這是必然的。"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，32比0的結果是國人在告訴民進黨政府國會監督制衡的重要性，一年多來……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們接受國會合理、依憲、依法的制衡，這個完全接受。"],["洪委員孟楷：我絕對專業、理性地問政、監督，但是一年多來，民進黨政府有沒有做到好好地施政、好好地為人民把關？本席也一直認為，賴清德總統一年多來確實欠臺灣人民一個道歉，他是黨主席，也是總統，但是到目前為止都沒有聽到。在大罷免結束之後，他有對罷團說對不起，所謂與民同行，結果他是與少數的公民同行，而不是多數的主流民意。本席想請教……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們是尊重公民團體自主的活動……"],["洪委員孟楷：本席想請教，賴清德總統說不出口的道歉，院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們並沒有主張提出大罷免的是行政機關或總統，我們是尊重公民團體的自主活動。"],["洪委員孟楷：賴清德總統說不出口的道歉，行政院長卓榮泰願意幫他道歉嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我幫總統道歉？我沒有任何權力幫總統道歉。如果行政院任何部分有錯誤，那我可以，但是我無法替總統道歉。"],["洪委員孟楷：那我想請教，過去這幾次您跟賴清德總統請辭的主要原因是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：在幾次的投票之後，我們感覺到我們的施政並沒有馬上可以反映下去，所以我認為這個團隊要調整。那團隊要調整……"],["洪委員孟楷：你請辭的原因是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：必須負起這樣團隊調整的政治責任。與其部分調整，不如全部調整，所以我向總統……"],["洪委員孟楷：你被賴清德總統留任的原因主要是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：他認為我們過去所做的一些事情現在還在持續當中，也發揮了一定的成果，未來包括明年的總預算、包括我們所提出的各項建設、包括AI新十大建設還要持續……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以他認為整個溝通就如同您剛剛講的，溝通是不良的，政策是沒有下放的，但是行政院長、副院長不用調整，其他部會要調整，是不是？"],["卓院長榮泰：他是希望現在的局勢能夠穩下來，但是他也提出了四個調整，那四個調整在7月底的時候我也提出過，就是財政的體質……"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，您還是沒有回答我的問題！我再直接請教一下，這次提出的追加預算當中，636億剛剛已經討論完了，剩下兩百多億是各部會的，總共有幾個部會提出追加預算？"],["卓院長榮泰：提出來的部會包括……"],["洪委員孟楷：總共幾個？還要翻資料啊？"],["卓院長榮泰：總共幾個我當然要算啊，我不能一下子跟你說幾個。"],["洪委員孟楷：總共幾個還要翻資料啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：包括經濟部、內政部、數發部、農業部、國防部……"],["洪委員孟楷：還要翻資料啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：海委會、衛福部……"],["洪委員孟楷：19個部會！"],["卓院長榮泰：對呀！"],["洪委員孟楷：這19個部會有哪幾個部長可能會調整？"],["卓院長榮泰：人事的問題請容許我不在這裡做……"],["洪委員孟楷：我只問幾個，我沒有說哪一個！","院長，你剛剛的答詢新聞快訊馬上就出來了，說你剛剛回答王鴻薇委員說是5個以上，可能是次長加部長有5個以上，但是本席想要確認，因為我覺得這很重要，就如同行政院長，不知道你記不記得，2024年我們2月1號就開議了，當時也做過施政總報告，施政總報告結束之後，等到5月20號您上任，我們還是要求再次進行施政總報告，因為……"],["卓院長榮泰：剛剛王委員是問我說……"],["洪委員孟楷：因為換了主官、換了主事者，可能會有不同的思維，一樣的道理，現在辦理追加預算的是A部長，結果通過A部長所提出的追加預算之後，一個禮拜內馬上換成B部長，那我們到底要不要再問一下B部長有沒有窒礙難行？還是B部長會不會認為其實現在的預算就夠了？"],["卓院長榮泰：政府的施政是延續性的，如果有新的部長上任，我會跟他……"],["洪委員孟楷：你剛剛就講了嘛，賴清德總統認為有人事調整的必要，所以你們也做了人事調整……"],["卓院長榮泰：是！"],["洪委員孟楷：即便你多次請辭，我剛剛也聽不清楚你請辭的理由和藉口到底是什麼，但是不管怎麼樣，看起來你也留定了。所以我們現在想問的是，坐在下面的部長我叫某一個部長上來，他會不會在跟我承諾之後，結果一個禮拜內他就不見了？"],["卓院長榮泰：兩個步驟，第一個，政府的施政是延續性、一貫性的……"],["洪委員孟楷：我當然知道是延續性、一貫性啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：再來，新的首長……"],["洪委員孟楷：但是主事者這麼重要，不管……"],["卓院長榮泰：新的首長，我在……"],["洪委員孟楷：不管換A、換B、換一顆西瓜來也可以擔任部長，不是這樣子吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：在跟新的首長徵詢、面談，決定之前，我都會跟他提到預算的相關問題，我希望他能夠執行現在的追加預算。"],["洪委員孟楷：那您現在面談過幾個部長了？"],["卓院長榮泰：現在有兩位部長提出辭呈，另外有一位次長也提出要離開。"],["洪委員孟楷：其他呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：其他的都還在進行當中，我們照……"],["洪委員孟楷：你們什麼時候會決定？"],["卓院長榮泰：我希望儘快決定。"],["洪委員孟楷：會等到我們這個禮拜五院會通過追加預算之後，你們下午才決定嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我希望本週能夠儘快決定。"],["洪委員孟楷：就是這個禮拜五下班以前？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果能夠更早的話，會更符合您的期待。"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，最近的政論節目都提到，在過去這一年多，民進黨政府為什麼施政滿意度不管是賴清德總統或卓榮泰院長或是內閣團隊都屢創新低，確實這是客觀數字，沒有辦法騙人，但其中一個很重要的理由是，到底過去這一年多，你們自豪的政策推出有感，民眾認為卓榮泰內閣裡面真的在關心的政策，說政論節目問到三個名嘴，名嘴啞口無言，也說不出來。來！給你一個宣傳的時間，你認為具體有哪三個政策是人民過去這一年多來，你們很自豪的？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們在經濟發展委員會當中，第一個，兆元投資國家的方案，現在已經有十足的進展，以後會更加快速。另外就是亞洲資產管理中心在高雄的場域試驗，已經有多家的金融機構投入，也展現了一個新的氣息。另外，我們今年很重視兩項，一個是中小企業的多元振興跟發展，我們用了比過去更多的經費；另外我們在系統性治水方面，我們也把它提升經費，希望能夠就8年800億前瞻之後系統性治水，這次有淹水，但是我知道淹水的地區縮小了，退水的時間比較快。"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，你提到這三個有感的政策，姑且你心中認為有感，你知道這有一個共通點嗎？這三個政策都是經濟部長的工作。"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有、沒有。"],["洪委員孟楷：你剛剛講的這三個政策主要都是經濟部長的工作，這也看得出來，我們國人才會覺得最大的訝異就是……"],["卓院長榮泰：您錯了！您錯了！"],["洪委員孟楷：你剛才講的這三個部分，經濟有沒有表現好，國人不清楚，但是國人有沒有感不一定……"],["卓院長榮泰：亞洲資產管理中心是金管會的業務。"],["洪委員孟楷：但是你提到這三個部分，沒有一個宏觀的狀況，我們的打詐、我們的國防、我們的社福呢？我們承諾的AI治國、人工智慧治理……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們現在提出了AI新十大建設。"],["洪委員孟楷：當初講的AI內閣，結果現在連AI人工智慧基本法還停在行政院，版本還沒有出來。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我們已經準備好了，另外還有AI新十大建設。"],["洪委員孟楷：說實在話，你知道你的部長已經在立法院跳票兩次了嗎？本來承諾7月初要出來的AI人工智慧基本法，7月15日也沒有出來，結果到現在，我們立法院已經先審查了，還在等待行政院的版本，拜託院長行行好。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們這個禮拜四院會……"],["洪委員孟楷：院長，可以的話，真的回去好好讓你們部會首長每個人都上緊發條……"],["卓院長榮泰：在這禮拜四的院會……"],["洪委員孟楷：國家還需要往前，在野黨有責任，在野黨也願意跟行政部門一起合作……"],["卓院長榮泰：好……"],["洪委員孟楷：但是絕對不是這個樣子，不要再空轉、不要再內耗了。"],["卓院長榮泰：不會，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。","接下來鍾佳濱委員質詢之後，將會休息10分鐘。我們請鍾佳濱委員，請質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":215,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["韓國瑜","王鴻薇","張啓楷","吳思瑤","洪孟楷","鍾佳濱","許宇甄","陳亭妃","賴士葆","賴惠員","翁曉玲","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe"],"page_start":159,"meetingDate":["2025-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算\n案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00004"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}