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請做說明好 部長是不是程序簡化到什麼程度我跟委員報告 現在我們在簡化的時候我們也一直請公所這邊就是用農民只要拍的照片上傳APP對 那現在很多公所他還是不願意認他還要去現場"},{"start":634.787,"end":650.823,"text":"所以我們中央跟地方沒有合作啊我們農民苦不堪言啊我連要護根我都有困難啊所以我們已經他們當初害怕的時候我們已經在天然災害救助辦法裡面我們一直在宣導而且一直在宣導沒有成效啊"},{"start":652.403,"end":678.68,"text":"所以一個結論我知道我們的這個農業部長他非常的專精那我拜託院長我用拜託的農民非常的辛苦血本無歸而且他還要去復耕連土地都細菌那麼多所以我拜託我們在這一次要好好去盤點像我們的整個他的藤全部塌掉了流掉了那我們要不要補助他"},{"start":679.52,"end":708.26,"text":"所以我要求第一個我們在先進救助的時候時間速度要快第二個復耕協助復耕速度要快簡化程序第三個就這一次的教訓我們實際上這麼樣的一個地球暖化這麼樣的一個雷暴雨在這樣子情況之下我們要怎麼樣重新去盤點怎麼協助我們的農民來讓他們可以繼續有這個勇氣繼續耕作下去這程序必須持續的簡化"},{"start":708.94,"end":721.957,"text":"最持續的講話地方政府配合的程度跟效率我們也希望能夠經由互相的溝通彼此提高好 加強宣傳跟溝通接下來本校要請教重新的進度務必要透明因為我們現在"},{"start":724.531,"end":752.283,"text":"政府有很多的特別預算我們分為三年這一次我們分為三年分為三年當然以往特別預算因為分年所以會有拖拖拉拉的這個情況院長我相信你也了解這個情況所以本席具體建議在這一次我們的預算你們所編列出來的是191億316億跟93億跨年度我們全力的支持的時候我們希望這個預算必須要公開透明"},{"start":752.743,"end":768.24,"text":"因為每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢你必須要劃在刀口上本期具體來建議你必須定期公開我們的這個特別預算它的進度必須定期公開以及送立法院可以做得到嗎"},{"start":769.005,"end":786.981,"text":"好 我請各部位要匯集起來我們由政委來負責定期向國人說明請委員能夠支持所有的災民都會謝謝大院在這麼快的速度通過的特別條例我們一起加油要定期公開以及送立法院接下來本席要說因為極端氣候一個颱風 一個豪雨"},{"start":787.501,"end":815.076,"text":"如果我們在基礎建設的韌性它是不足的那又是下一輪的一個災難產生我們不願意所以本校建議院長你們應該從這一次的災害那麼這一次的重建呢能夠得到教訓也就是針對長期的防災氣候調適你必須要把它結合在一起而不是只有頭痛一頭腳痛一腳所以本校要請教你們的長遠防災規劃是什麼"},{"start":818.917,"end":845.237,"text":"最上位的概念總統府的氣候變遷委員會他會就氣候變遷所造成的影響來做成政策性的決定那之後我們就會強化現在的防災機制其實現在跟過去十年以來我們的中央應變中心的體制是比較完整因為實際上地球暖化的因應也讓我們很大的挑戰所以必須要如此的去結合去做長遠的規劃"},{"start":846.678,"end":872.725,"text":"最後一個議題本集跟你討論最近大家一直在討論特別預算本集上週也跟你討論過你跟地方的一般性補助款那現在呢每一次跟你們討論到中央跟地方的分配額你們都一直在抹黑在野黨甚至財化法的修法你認為當時你說財化法的修法在還沒有修以前是最好的版本請教院長你現在仍舊認為是最好的版本嗎"},{"start":873.705,"end":888.055,"text":"請說明我認為當時那個版本是我們執行起來那現在你還認為是最好的版本嗎現在新的裁判法現在你認為到目前為止現在新的裁判法對一些非六都以外的地區是不公平的喔"},{"start":888.826,"end":914.084,"text":"你這麼說我要告訴你你們自己執政黨的委員郭國文委員你看他的臉書他說因為要藍白對抗所以禁止他們提案他們也想修也禁止行政院提案到底是真的假的有沒有這回事行政院有備妥相對應責方式有沒有禁止他們提案我們行政院對財化法有備妥方案交由黨團來跟協商但是那個時候"},{"start":915.754,"end":937.505,"text":"所以財富法是必須要檢討嗎院長 所以財富法是必須要檢討嗎 對不對我們一直認為財富法可以檢討可以檢討 好 你一個可以檢討 我們一起加油台中市一年給了兩千多億給我們六七百億我們拿回應當的一個公平補助這是合理的 而且是公正的就你那一句話 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對抗，所以禁止他們提案，他們也想修，也禁止行政院提案，到底是真的假的？有沒有這回事？"],["卓院長榮泰：行政院有備妥相對應的方式……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：有沒有這回事？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們委託……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：有沒有禁止他們提案？"],["卓院長榮泰：行政院對財劃法有備妥方案，交由黨團來協商，但是那個時候立法院內部的朝野協商碰到瓶頸。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：院長，所以財劃法是必須要檢討的，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們一直認為財劃法可以檢討。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：可以檢討？"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，一定要可以檢討，我們一起加油！"],["卓院長榮泰：但是檢討是要把……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：臺中市一年給了兩千多億，給我們六、七百億，我們拿回應當的公平補助，這是合理的，而且是公正的，就是你那一句話「可以檢討的」，我們一起來檢討！"],["卓院長榮泰：臺中市明年的預算也多了好幾百億，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝楊瓊瓔委員的質詢，也謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢。","接下來我們請林憶君委員質詢，王育敏委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":276,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["韓國瑜","林俊憲","郭國文","蘇清泉","邱議瑩","王鴻薇","陳冠廷","楊瓊瓔","林憶君","王育敏","何欣純","徐巧芯"],"page_start":216,"meetingDate":["2025-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、行政院公共工程委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告\n「中央政府丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00005"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}