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就是因為修復慢而且那是既有設施的損壞所以我們才要說"},{"start":290.734,"end":312.407,"text":"他必須提出來因為依據災防法是當然是相關主管機關要付費主委啊我對於這筆預算我也有意見那最後再請教一下這個陳代理主委現在這個有關民間業者我們要求這個災區要漫遊是不是這個雙方有談不攏啊中華電信跟這個遠傳有談不攏啊"},{"start":313.938,"end":332.947,"text":"跟委員報告這個是因為是第一次在災難漫遊是第一次啟動我們在8月5號的新聞稿有提到說那我問一下費用是由誰出漫遊到中華電信費用由誰出其實漫遊的部分我們是建議他們去協商那我們現在也訂了SOP的要點希望他們可以用協商來處理那這是漫遊8月7號之後漫遊誰來出"},{"start":334.181,"end":350.199,"text":"目前是三家業者協商是由原來的母網的人來處理誰假設我是中華電信我們漫遊到遠傳的話那錢是中華電信來出目前是這樣子但是我們並沒有強制他們這樣不是兩家業者就搭中華電信的順風車了嗎"},{"start":354.766,"end":362.56,"text":"換個角度來講其實不是這樣子其實三大業者我時間到了你這個規範要點這個如果出來之後再給我一份我會繼續再追問來 謝謝 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