{"error":false,"id":["163695"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":163695,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/163695","日期":"2025-08-28","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"聯席會議-11-3-20,15,35,19,22,23,36,26-1","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第3會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議","屆":11,"會期":3,"會次":1,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"聯席會議","委員會代碼":[20,15,35,19,22,23,36,26],"委員會代碼:str":["財政委員會","內政委員會","外交及國防委員會","經濟委員會","教育及文化委員會","交通委員會","司法及法制委員會","社會福利及衛生環境委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第3會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2025-08-28T09:15:03+08:00","結束時間":"2025-08-28T09:20:26+08:00","影片長度":"00:05:23","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0de38d3dd43d9d741dbde5eaf89afb9ed1055ccb7a5c893e7aa2f2f8d96988cd057babbb10d0fc445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林德福","委員發言時間":"09:15:03 - 09:20:26","會議時間":"2025-08-28T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第3會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案（含秘密會議）。\n【預算提案截止時間：8月25日（一）下午5時】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":5.0259687500000005,"end":14.222843750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":18.50909375,"end":18.96471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":23.63909375,"end":23.976593750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":23.976593750000003,"end":35.63721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":25.242218750000003,"end":25.44471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":36.31221875,"end":72.55971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":73.06596875000001,"end":80.44034375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":81.85784375,"end":95.62784375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":96.31971875,"end":100.28534375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":100.58909375,"end":103.37346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":103.66034375000001,"end":154.30221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":154.85909375,"end":157.06971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":156.78284375,"end":165.45659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":163.43159375000002,"end":176.62784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":166.51971875,"end":167.29596875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":168.57846875,"end":169.35471875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":173.05034375000002,"end":173.52284375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":176.05409375000002,"end":177.55596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":177.79221875000002,"end":180.23909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":181.36971875,"end":183.83346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":181.47096875,"end":181.89284375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":181.89284375000003,"end":181.94346875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":181.94346875000002,"end":181.97721875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":181.97721875000002,"end":182.02784375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":184.49159375000002,"end":188.69346875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":189.40221875,"end":194.59971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":189.79034375,"end":190.66784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":198.37971875000002,"end":198.83534375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":199.05471875,"end":256.95284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":222.42659375000002,"end":222.89909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":258.70784375,"end":261.15471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":261.86346875000004,"end":264.49596875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":265.54221875,"end":270.58784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":271.17846875000004,"end":287.02409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":282.61971875,"end":282.83909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":282.83909375,"end":283.44659375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":284.40846875,"end":285.23534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":285.97784375000003,"end":286.61909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":286.88909375000003,"end":303.78096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":292.28909375,"end":292.87971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":292.87971875,"end":292.89659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":295.69784375,"end":295.83284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":295.83284375,"end":295.96784375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":295.96784375000004,"end":296.01846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":303.96659375,"end":312.45471875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":310.14284375,"end":310.49721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":311.72909375,"end":316.36971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":313.01159375000003,"end":324.97596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":317.26409375000003,"end":318.98534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":321.17909375,"end":321.90471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":322.66409375,"end":323.06909375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":323.06909375000004,"end":324.23346875000004}],"whisperx":[{"start":5.071,"end":5.271,"text":"阿晋"},{"start":23.672,"end":33.908,"text":"委員好主席長你好我請教因為媒體宣傳會是否有必要大幅度的來追加預算因為本席是希望說行政機關有義務"},{"start":36.577,"end":59.491,"text":"要節省使用尤其是這個沒宣會這個預算身為立法委員也有義務也有責任要替人民來看緊荷包因為政府為了增進社會大眾的整個施政的議題的了解那有辦理一些政策性業務這些宣導之必要但是為了避免"},{"start":60.471,"end":79.838,"text":"制度式的行銷維護整個行政的中立新聞自由以及人民權利的目的預算法第62條之一訂定之相關規範部分機關辦理媒體宣傳會宣導的話所制定的這個績效指標"},{"start":81.926,"end":94.974,"text":"未能夠具體的衡量宣導的這個成效請以產出量作為績效的一個指標那如新聞或貼文的數量活動"},{"start":96.72,"end":119.561,"text":"場次以及影片數量等啊往往這個整個政策宣導影片觀看觀看數啊非常的低啊實在是很難看出他的宣導的一個成效那本期是希望行政院各部會跟主計總處啊要通盤的檢討整個沒宣會啊的績效指標不要啊"},{"start":120.282,"end":132.859,"text":"只把錢撒給媒體整個預算的執行就好了那更不要拍一些華人問津的這些影片或辦理整個活動只有小貓兩三隻來參加"},{"start":135.802,"end":153.93,"text":"那我請問主計長你是我贊成將媒宣會的績效指標跟成果主動來公布在主計總署的網站上面的專區並按計送立法院來被查以利民眾來檢視整個媒宣會到底"},{"start":155.19,"end":176.537,"text":"動之的 得當不得當是 這個部分我們委員的建議我們會盡力來達成然後我們會把它公布在我們主計處對 一定要 而且每一季都要公布我認為這是給民眾一個交代因為我們是身為監督政府各機關單位好 那你就每一季都要公布好 OK來 我請衛福部那個邱太元"},{"start":182.011,"end":186.054,"text":"衛福部的邱部長 邱部長衛福部的邱部長時間暫停一下好了 來 邱部長來時間暫停"},{"start":198.41,"end":212.916,"text":"委員長那個部長我請教因為衛福部一二年度這個醫院護理服務的調查離職率以護理師的薪資呈現明顯這個互相互相關"},{"start":214.056,"end":235.113,"text":"及薪水越低而離職率越高改善護理人員薪資的條件以及提升護理人員留任的關鍵因素之一今年六月媒體報導三班的護病比首波獎勵金5.47億入帳有醫院拿到4千萬也有醫院拿到0其中因為我轄區裡面雙核醫院屬於為達標獎勵金為0的27間醫院之一"},{"start":243.4,"end":264.041,"text":"那雙核醫院當然是我選區裡面鄉親很多都會去看診本期是希望說護理師的權利要保障以免影響整個病患的一些照護那其實我一直認為這個主要最重要就是你的那個"},{"start":265.58,"end":286.782,"text":"很多該給的你們都不給那造成現在這種狀況因為部長你有沒有什麼因為急診室貼出最近急診室還貼出說本急診目前的這個負病比1比13請你簡單回答不耐久的話 甚至叫你進醫院這是很嚴重的問題"},{"start":287.082,"end":303.159,"text":"好我幾句話就好雙核醫院肩負起那個雙核融合非常重大的醫療也感謝政府跟還有我們當地委員的一個幫助讓他們承擔了很多那我們為了他的比例不過我們也有請"},{"start":305.099,"end":314.385,"text":"衛環 本縣的衛環也到那邊去視察他會在8月全部把三班護病比把它達到標護理急診的部分是因為沒有護病比但是我們人力一定讓他充足我們護理計畫 十二大計畫一定全力來支持 來推動"}]},"gazette":{"lineno":70,"blocks":[["林委員德福：（9時15分）謝謝主席、與會的各部會首長、各位委員同仁。是不是請陳主計長？"],["主席：請。"],["陳主計長淑姿：委員好。"],["林委員德福：主計長你好。我請教媒體宣傳費是否有必要大幅度地追加預算？因為本席是希望行政機關有義務要節省使用，尤其是媒宣費的預算，身為立法委員有義務也有責任要替人民看緊荷包。政府為了增進社會大眾對施政議題的瞭解，要辦理一些政策性業務，而有宣導之必要，但是為了避免置入式行銷，維護整個行政的中立、新聞自由以及人民權利的目的，依據預算法第六十二條之一訂定之相關規範，部分機關辦理媒體宣傳費進行宣傳、宣導，對於所制定的績效指標未能具體地衡量宣導的成效，僅以產出量作為績效的指標，如新聞或貼文的數量，活動、場次以及影片數量等，整個政策宣導影片的觀看數往往非常低，實在很難看出它的宣導成效。本席是希望行政院各部會跟主計總處要通盤檢討整個媒宣費的績效指標，不要只把錢撒給媒體，認為整個預算的執行這樣就好了，更不要拍一些乏人問津的影片，或辦理活動只有小貓兩三隻來參加。請問主計長，你是否贊成將媒宣費的績效指標及成果主動公布在主計總處網站上的專區，並按季送立法院備查，以利民眾檢視整個媒宣費的動支到底得當不得當？"],["陳主計長淑姿：關於這個部分，委員的建議我們會盡力達成，我們會把它公布在主計處的網站上，然後……"],["林委員德福：對，一定要，而且每一季都要公布，我認為這是給民眾一個交代，因為我們的職責就是要監督政府各機關單位。"],["陳主計長淑姿：是。"],["林委員德福：那你就每一季都要公布喔！"],["陳主計長淑姿：好，OK。"],["林委員德福：接下來請衛福部邱泰源部長。"],["主席：請衛福部邱部長。"],["邱部長泰源：委員好。"],["林委員德福：部長，我請教一下，根據衛福部112年度醫院護理服務量調查，離職率與護理師的薪資明顯呈現負相關，即薪水越低離職率越高，這已成為改善護理人員薪資條件以及提升護理人員留任的關鍵因素之一。今年6月媒體報導三班護病比達標首波獎勵金5.47億入帳，有醫院拿到4,000萬，也有醫院拿到零，我轄區內的雙和醫院屬於未達標獎勵金為零的27家醫院之一，但在我選區裡面有許多鄉親都會去雙和醫院看診。本席希望護理師的權益要保障，以免影響對於病患的照護，其實我一直認為最重要的是很多該給的你們都不給，所以才會造成現在這種狀況，請問部長你有沒有什麼解決方案？最近急診室還貼出「本急診目前護病比1：13，若不耐久候可以到附近其他急診就醫」，這是很嚴重的問題。"],["主席：請部長簡單回答。"],["邱部長泰源：我講幾句話就好，雙和醫院肩負起中和、永和非常重要的醫療業務，也感謝政府以及委員的幫助，讓他們承擔了很多。因為它的比例不夠，我們也有請本院衛環委員會到那邊去視察，它會在8月讓三班護病比全部達標。"],["林委員德福：我希望一定要達到……"],["邱部長泰源：急診的部分沒有護病比，但是人力一定要讓它充足，我們的護理人力整備十二大計畫一定全力來推動，感謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝，下一位請吳秉叡委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":290,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-3-20,15,35,19,22,23,36,26-1","speakers":["賴士葆","林德福","吳秉叡","陳亭妃","賴瑞隆","郭國文","林思銘","李昆澤","李柏毅","黃國昌","柯志恩","萬美玲","鄭正鈐","洪孟楷","張智倫","賴惠員","鍾佳濱","吳沛憶","張啓楷","王育敏","張宏陸","劉書彬","王世堅","黃秀芳","林俊憲","李坤城","李彥秀","蘇巧慧","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","黃珊珊","謝衣鳯","王美惠","張雅琳","羅智強","陳俊宇","陳培瑜","陳冠廷","黃健豪","馬文君","吳思瑤","蔡易餘","牛煦庭","郭昱晴","蘇清泉","黃捷","楊瓊瓔","徐富癸","陳玉珍","范雲","葉元之","王正旭","林月琴","羅廷瑋","劉建國","陳菁徽","林楚茵","翁曉玲","陳雪生","林宜瑾","盧縣一","高金素梅","陳素月","羅美玲","沈發惠","蔡其昌","魯明哲","徐巧芯","呂玉玲","邱志偉","林憶君","沈伯洋","林岱樺","邱議瑩","游顥","徐欣瑩","王定宇","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","林淑芬","張嘉郡","陳超明","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","陳昭姿"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-08-28"],"gazette_id":"1147602","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147602_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案（含秘密會議）","agenda_id":"1147602_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}