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"start":2082.612,"end":2103.579,"text":"議決議審查預算提案時保留於第二輪之提案。提案委員不在現場者不在處理該項提案。本次審查會有關提案委員所提預算三檢案。經委員會審查通過者除提案委員特別聲明不同意外均同意勞動部的科目自行調整。"},{"start":2104.984,"end":2125.754,"text":"第四有關提案委員預算凍結案部分勞動部與各提案委員溝通結果如提案委員同意併案凍結者請勞動部與本次公務及基金預算全部審查完略前將各同意併案凍結之提案案號及科目會診後送主席台宣告後通過"},{"start":2127.535,"end":2142.107,"text":"上述委員提案凍結之預算,除特別聲明不同意者外,文字均統一為須向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告並經同意後使得凍結。"},{"start":2144.028,"end":2167.161,"text":"在本會審查中如提案委員口頭同意改為主決議及原案為主決議修正部分文字通過者請勞動部盡速與提案委員溝通後將書面修正文字送至主席台那現在開始審查請議事人員宣還有什麼程序發言喔好"},{"start":2177.591,"end":2199.525,"text":"主席好那今天要審勞動部的預算喔但是昨天審計長已經說明說救安基金呢已經有有5000多萬的不當將被剔除喔那依據審計法的第74條今審計機關決定因剔除或繳還之款項其未能依"},{"start":2200.345,"end":2215.276,"text":"一線稀數追還時如查明該機關長官或其授權代簽人及主辦會計人員對於簽證該項支出有故意或過失者因連帶負損害賠償責任。"},{"start":2217.998,"end":2235.379,"text":"那因為有這些狀況喔所以想要請問喔那這樣子今天要審查救安基金的勞動部要不要追長要不要提告那何時會追長何時會提告所以今天審查預算如果這些都不能釐清的話要所有的立委包括執政黨立委要如何審查"},{"start":2236.48,"end":2242.783,"text":"那如果審查不就是背書嗎那部長如果這個勞動部不追長的話依據政府採購法第110條的規定主機關審計官或檢察官就採購事件得為機關提起訴訟參加訴訟或上訴那也就是說政府採購法則是審計官可以代位求償"},{"start":2256.189,"end":2269.673,"text":"替勞動部提出訴訟追悔到時候被審計部帶回球場要怎麼自處所以我覺得今天有很多的救安基金的相關的問題都沒有釐清我認為今天救安基金不應該審查部長你要先做一個回應嗎好"},{"start":2297.133,"end":2297.295,"text":"主席"},{"start":2303.503,"end":2327.381,"text":"首先先謝謝廖委員的這個會議詢問其實我想從昨天沈議長在立法院的答詢出來以後其實我們第一時間就希望來跟審計部來了解就是沈議長講的這所謂的五千多萬的細節為何那當然其實沈議部也跟我們表達確實目前正式的報告還沒有出來"},{"start":2328.402,"end":2354.974,"text":"所以我想要因為這個包括這所謂5000多萬裡面每一項的狀態可能從審計部裡面的認定也都不太一樣就是說這5000多萬是聽起來我目前聽起來是很多個項目的甲種可是這5000多萬裡面可能每一項審計部對他的認定的狀態其實也不太一樣那"},{"start":2356.474,"end":2368.96,"text":"從勞動部的角度來說當然我們會希望趕快能夠跟審計部拿到正式的報告那我們再看到正式的報告裡面其實該怎麼處置我們就會怎麼處置我們就會依法來做相關的處置"},{"start":2370.151,"end":2397.753,"text":"那但因為現在我們都還沒有辦法拿到正式的報告來瞭解這裡面每一個細項到底審計部實際上面的看法是什麼所以剛剛六人當然希望說我們是不是可以提出來可是說實在這個是這個是審計部的裡面的內容那我們當然非常非常願意我想其實關於救安基金的問題我的態度都非常清楚我們絕對不會迴避問題事實上現在也一直在檢討問題"},{"start":2399.929,"end":2414.712,"text":"但對於審計部的內容為何那可以做我們會做什麼只要他的報告一出來那我們會立即來跟審計部來做相關的討論也許有些部分會補充說明也許部分真的"},{"start":2416.001,"end":2438.675,"text":"有不當的地方但我們也願意來做檢討跟後續依法的處置這部分我想是針對這部分昨天這個審計部在立法院的說明我想也想跟各位說其實我們也非常非常想知道裡面的內容因為有明確的內容我們才有辦法有明確後續的處理這樣子謝謝那個蘇清泉張偉"},{"start":2450.799,"end":2474.487,"text":"好謝謝主席我們很佩服我們洪部長大開大合該怎麼樣就怎麼樣我看你也是毫無保留因為也應該說不要有包袱那審計處居然這樣講了所以我們也大家討論的結果也希望不然救安基金就"},{"start":2475.467,"end":2475.827,"text":"月勤委員"},{"start":2502.021,"end":2530.214,"text":"今天事實上是審預算我認為應該因為所有的不管要凍結或者是要做什麼都在委員的手上是不是我們還是按照程序來走如果對救安基金有意見就是在審那個的時候全權的權利也在委員手上而不是因為過去的事情我知道過去的事情的確他有值得我想洪部長也非常的就像"},{"start":2531.094,"end":2543.761,"text":"蘇委員剛才講嘛紅部長事實上他也會針對過去針對去做處理可是我覺得那是省明年的預算114年所以我認為還是要照案我們現在的意思好程序來走以上六委員"},{"start":2556.178,"end":2572.277,"text":"首先我要再一次說明這個立法院不應該成為這個濫用公帑的共犯我們今天審了基本上就是在背書那你說是審明年的預算但是如果不是因為這一次謝宜榮的事件"},{"start":2573.246,"end":2593.506,"text":"有人在勞動部親身誰會抓出來說救安基金長期的濫用那現在有一大堆的東西都交代不清楚細節都沒有到底給誰誰拿多少錢到現在審計部昨天出來說5000多萬不當使用所以我想今天的預算應該就不要省了因為"},{"start":2594.247,"end":2610.129,"text":"包含不公開的送禮名單為什麽不敢公布現已榮現在送禮名單至今未公布這是基於什麽理由那麼依據公務機關透明性原則公務人員的送禮行為不僅涉及公共資源的使用還涉及政府施政的誠信問題"},{"start":2611.411,"end":2630.268,"text":"那既然送禮的行為合法正當公開名單應該無阻礙那我覺得這些東西應該都要有所公開喔那還是有其他考量再來今天的五千多萬雖然你說很多條很多細目但是就是因為這樣的事情我們更不應該選應該要把所有的事情釐清之後再來進入審查謝謝"},{"start":2632.779,"end":2652.428,"text":"我是不是講一下就是說我們今天審的是114年度的公務及基金預算那我是認為就像剛剛月勤委員講的如果大家對於基金的這個預算有意見的話其實是可以保留或者是凍結嘛那你就讓這個程序正常的走下去我覺得"},{"start":2654.008,"end":2679.583,"text":"我 我 我覺得是不要去影響到明年的這個預算吶吼 那 我們應該 大家有意見的話其實你就可以用凍結或者是刪減吶 不要說不審吶 不要說不審吶 你 你也當用凍結啊或者是刪減啊 不行 現在 現在的東西真的是太多疑點了 你不 不可以這樣 那你對於 現在有非常多東西也都沒有提供"},{"start":2691.725,"end":2708.431,"text":"如果你現在審了,現在立法院如果過去這些事情都不清楚了,都審了,那你就是代表,因為有太多的不明確的東西了,你怎麼有辦法保證我們每一個人都可以找到裡面有問題的地方,然後都有辦法凍結到,都有辦法簡列到。"},{"start":2709.144,"end":2735.25,"text":"那既然不能的情況之下你只要做了這個審查的動作你就是在幫勞動部背書就是在幫這些濫用公帑的人背書這就是我們立法院應該要有的態度而不是說我就去審未來的有意見你就擋就好啦我認為這個執政黨雖然是執政黨立委但是站在公益的角度站在立法院的角度不應該去審查今天的預算應該要盡速的把這些明細弄出來之後我們再進一步的去實質的審查謝謝"},{"start":2737.591,"end":2760.552,"text":"我是不是建議一下就是說有關基金的部分如果所有的委員覺得是有疑義的話是不是相關科目就做保留不要說不審啦就是相關的科目就全部保留也都可以啊那等到你們覺得說可以的話然後再來審就是說相關的科目保留賣工全部都不要審啦"},{"start":2765.281,"end":2770.031,"text":"我想廖偉祥這個想法是比較極端,他整個勞動部的預算都不要審了啦。"},{"start":2771.345,"end":2791.994,"text":"那另外我的看法是比較溫和一點點民進黨執政8年現在第9年那我們以前的這個救安廉基金就是像省這樣過山山一點點凍結一點點然後呢他科目都亂挪移嘛不然怎麼會有5000萬"},{"start":2794.867,"end":2817.503,"text":"不知道怎麼來的,不知道怎麼用的,譬如說我們審的都審表面的而已,他表面怎麼挪用我們也不知道。宣傳會一年比一年高,所以這個審計部自己都看出來了。所以另外一個我要請教部長,他說這個救安廉基金現在虧空200億,這是真的假的。部長,說虧空200億是怎麼來的?"},{"start":2824.035,"end":2832.801,"text":"說現在的救援安定基金一年幾百億又欠兩百億你是怎麼開的 我也看不出來我看你也三不五的款你來講一下不然的話這樣會開不下去請部長說明"},{"start":2847.078,"end":2874.68,"text":"那這個第一個是先謝謝書委員的詢問齁其實剛才書委員講那個虧200億的事情其實應該是當時在疫情期間齁那確實有一些這個因為經濟的狀況比較波動那也影響了一些就業的情況所以講了這個200億的狀況其實比較是疫情的期間那確實會比較需要就業安定基金來對整體的就業狀況做一些支持那這這狀況其實在我們很多失業率比較高的"},{"start":2875.841,"end":2895.818,"text":"時期都會動用比較多的就業安定基金來去協助勞工的就業或勞工這個面對可能失業的問題的這個狀況比較是就剛才這個講200多億的情況的話比較是針對這部分所以你那個疫情的8400億8400億你們就有哪一些來撥補剛剛我講的那個200多億的虧損是不是這樣"},{"start":2907.071,"end":2908.737,"text":"所以你的虧損還是掛在那裡嗎?"},{"start":2912.005,"end":2912.766,"text":"所以你現在就安定基金"},{"start":2937.765,"end":2938.165,"text":"所以你現在還有400億的決議在裡面。 是。"},{"start":2966.55,"end":2973.719,"text":"好,我們來瞧一下啦,好看不然我們先休息五分鐘啦,大家討論一下好不好"},{"start":4139.417,"end":4167.029,"text":"那我在這邊做一個宣布今天我們就審這個勞動部的這個主管的公務預算還有勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書的科目金額及委員的提案那基金預算的部分我們則期再審好啊你剛剛不是已經說過了嗎你要再說一次"},{"start":4168.277,"end":4195.005,"text":"好好那那你再說一次來來來再說一次這是我們剛剛提案說明案有這個有鑒於勞動部喔就業安定基金的弊端重生那也坐實之前的前部長喔這個潘氏維離職的時候就有說過就業安定基金就勞動部的小金庫那也指出"},{"start":4195.945,"end":4219.102,"text":"每期民為公卻以私利為目的要不是這一次這個謝玉榮的事件其實國人才真的看見了百萬裝潢休息室舉辦前部長許明春的個人演唱會拍個人沙龍照買禮盒向上管理招挪用買網軍等爭議而且30年來收取近千億"},{"start":4220.182,"end":4235.806,"text":"卻未公布支出明細黑幕重重那麼今天審計部長陳瑞敏也證實就該基金發現用途不符金額近達5000多萬那將要求如何收回那採購異常會移送減掉為近"},{"start":4239.407,"end":4265.212,"text":"職責會送至監察院顯見這件事情滋事體大那所有的國人都希望能夠公開透明讓國會嚴格的監督公堂不再虛職再者114年來賴政府總預算已經超過3兆元公務預算應該也更更可以充分的如實編列以支持相關業務運作而非繼續吸血救安基金而非繼續吸血救安基金"},{"start":4266.195,"end":4287.194,"text":"那麼其實剛剛也有講到說硬要進去審會發生什麼問題發生的問題就是我們在幫這樣子的預算做背書過去幾年來每一屆大家都說立法委員非常可以監督到非常的詳細非常嚴格的審查可是從結果來看就是沒辦法因為"},{"start":4287.974,"end":4303.848,"text":"黑幕重重所以今天審查勞動部所屬的這個預算之際勞動部至今未能夠對外市民近5年救安基金的相關細目且相關的政風會計人員是否有協助違法貪毒的行為仍有待釐清"},{"start":4304.528,"end":4329.832,"text":"所以為了建立救安基金相關支用標準避免繼續濫用所以要求暫緩今天有關勞動部114年基金預算之處理待檢討報告送出之後交叉比對審計部所做的審核報告經社會福利及衛生環境委員會之委員同意後使得進行勞動部基金預算之處理是否有當進行公決?謝謝那個劉建國委員"},{"start":4340.322,"end":4368.518,"text":"好謝謝主席各位我們委員會所有同仁因為剛剛有協商基本上就是對公務一上我們先來進行那基金的部分大家覺得有爭議的就是安定基金那後來要變成把所有的基金都擱置我想這個也都沒有意見但是我必須要很沉重的來跟各位做一個說明省立算是我們立法院的職權"},{"start":4370.212,"end":4389.922,"text":"他的基金不管哪一個基金就案例基金有問題就案例基金有問題那我想執政黨的委員也罵得非常的兇但是但是審預算跟他在113年度的基金執行的狀態出了問題這是兩件事情這絕對是兩件事情"},{"start":4393.686,"end":4399.068,"text":"我必須要我必須要跟各位提醒這件事情然後如果今天在審預算過程裡面我們還要去負擔他在執行出的狀況"},{"start":4405.38,"end":4424.347,"text":"這個不是我們立委能夠去承載的我們可以監督我們可以在審預算裡面把他的所有的問題毛病甚至以揪出來甚至以來做這個114跟113的相關的對照這個都可以我們也是把這問題在審查過程裡面把它瞭解的更透徹"},{"start":4425.367,"end":4446.26,"text":"因為一般預算通過之後出了問題是在執行面不是在審查面所以我是再度這樣做一個提醒最後我是覺得說我們Focus如果是在介入安地基金那現在已經講好所有基金要暫時去做擱置先審查過預算我沒有意見我也接受但是我是要提醒各位說在審預算審基金的這個處理的方式的過程裡面"},{"start":4451.2,"end":4456.851,"text":"我們還是我們有我們立法委員該該處理的這樣的一個責任存在謝謝謝謝好呃王玉明委員"},{"start":4469.107,"end":4483.959,"text":"主席各位人大家好我想昨天有關於審計部部長他自己親自已經說出來我們的救安基金竟然違法使用目前目前清算出來的至少已經超過5000萬"},{"start":4486.1,"end":4506.081,"text":"違法濫用已經超過五千萬那如果再往前追溯再查得更仔細不曉得整個救安基金被濫用的程度有多麼的嚴重跟離譜所以今天再審勞動部的預算再審救安基金今天國民黨提出來這個提案非常的有正當性"},{"start":4507.362,"end":4522.455,"text":"當救安基金的問題這麼大我們也要進一步懷疑那其他基金的使用有沒有同時存在弊端所以今天我們的要求我覺得訴求正當非常的合理有關於基金的審查今天就是不予處理"},{"start":4523.856,"end":4548.305,"text":"指審勞動部部本部的預算而剛剛劉委員我非常尊重他他是未完委員會非常資深的委員但是有一點我不能同意就是說現在在審查的跟過去的是沒有關係當然有關係如果在委員會我們未來針對基金的審查我們一筆一筆都非常仔細而嚴謹"},{"start":4550.066,"end":4569.753,"text":"的去監督甚至包括現在被揭露出來的救安基金的這些亂象我們要求主管機關你每一個預算使用都要清清楚楚的交代跟說明當然被他們濫用的機會就會降低就會減少嘛我覺得過去是授權太大了信任"},{"start":4571.053,"end":4589.586,"text":"勞動部結果被許明春部長這樣子濫用立法院有監督之責當我們的監督是更仔細是更嚴格當然有一些部長想要上下其手想要濫用他的預算的空間就越小所以這絕對是聯動跟相關的"},{"start":4592.108,"end":4593.79,"text":"所以請召委通過這樣的一個提案我覺得這個是幫全民勘警人民的納稅錢跟荷包我們不允許在未還委員會審查通過的預算本來好意是讓"},{"start":4608.73,"end":4622.619,"text":"這個行政部門可以有這個空間然後他在預算各項執行的時候可以更順利結果立法院的授權變成是他濫用的源頭這個就就絕對不允許所以一定是加嚴審查嚴格審查未來"},{"start":4626.361,"end":4626.521,"text":"陳金輝委員"},{"start":4660.663,"end":4678.054,"text":"主席各位委員還有各位官員大家早安針對救安基金這幾個禮拜的爭議國人其實抱有非常多的疑慮所以我們更應該要展現我們監督的力量尤其是昨天審計部部長都親自開口了我們有勞動部的記者會一場是100到200萬的"},{"start":4681.716,"end":4698.999,"text":"然後還有你都下了媒體的預算還下了廣告結果你的點擊率是這麼的差你剪一支宣傳影片是幾十萬這些東西全部都沒有拿出來檢討之後你基金你要用媒體宣傳可以你告訴我你預計用多少錢做多少點擊率我們才願意讓你花這筆錢不然全國人民覺得這個救安基金是從"},{"start":4707.921,"end":4714.005,"text":"很辛苦的家庭裡面拿出來的一筆一筆拿出來的錢居然是這樣被亂花連紅部長都說有一個辦公室裝修費2000多萬完全沒有辦法想像有一個南部的分署光是弄那個外牆有一個餐廳的外牆也2000多萬請問你是去哪裡找這些承包商的"},{"start":4730.054,"end":4750.36,"text":"很誇張啊人民完全看不下去最大的重點是剛剛劉建國委員說我們就是應該扮演監督的角色審預算但是過去兩位說完不好意思劉建國委員還有洪森漢前委員你們就在這裡搞了8個會期那你們現在要為現在的中央基金的PM來負責嗎你沒有在這裡背話他有啦他有啦"},{"start":4756.144,"end":4762.811,"text":"你這裡有幾個會期?你有兩個會期有兩個會期在這裡兩個會期在這裡"},{"start":4770.452,"end":4797.267,"text":"兩個會期在這裡上次我已經質詢過紅部長了110年到114年其實媒體的費用救安基金媒體的費用是節節往上喔可是他拿不出KPI來解釋為什麼媒體的費用是節節往上所以我也呼應剛剛王玉敏委員跟廖偉祥委員所述的我覺得全部的基金都是應該要來嚴審而且"},{"start":4799.868,"end":4807.433,"text":"之前您有跟我溝通過您認為以前就是因為稍微沾上邊就可以申請那現在審計部又說要追回這筆錢但是每一筆錢他簽章的人有這麼的多耶我們到底要怎麼追您有沒有什麼方法可以告訴我們您要怎麼幫我們追回這筆錢是誰要出在這個蓋章的過程中誰要來出這五千萬"},{"start":4823.644,"end":4842.414,"text":"所以這些這個檢討報告未來要怎麼審還有你要怎麼編列哪一些金額裡面你覺得可以接受他是有效的你要清清楚楚的告訴我們我們才審這個預算嘛謝謝大家謝謝那這個我跟妳抱歉一下是兩個會期不好意思真的很不好意思好圖圈級委員"},{"start":4851.633,"end":4879.529,"text":"好那今天針對勞動部的預算大家也知道審計部已經知道說針對我們救安基金5000多萬用途不明的部分那尤其我們立法院我們今天審這勞動部的預算我們也要對全民負責這全部都是人民的納稅人的錢就像剛剛我們洪部長自己有講審計部針對這部分用途不明的部分還不是很明確那我們也希望針對這些科目"},{"start":4880.009,"end":4899.706,"text":"用途的部分一定要能夠明瞭不然我們這個救安基金到底要怎麼去審而且這麼多的錢5000多萬甚至有可能只是冰山一角而且我們知道我們之前我們洪部長也是我們未還委員那這一部分大家也都是在嚴審可是今天如果不是審計部不是謝義榮的事件這樣子爆發"},{"start":4902.788,"end":4917.879,"text":"我們怎麼知道這救安基金被濫用到這種程度連科目用途都不明試問這個預算我們到底要怎麼審下去我們要對全民負責所以這部分我覺得救安基金的部分今天真的是不適宜再審而且"},{"start":4919.6,"end":4939.466,"text":"之前也向我們勞動部索取我們20週年音樂會那時候王一鳴部長在問的時候說這個點閱率很低結果我們的黃市長說這個點閱率很高有7萬多次所以我特別有說這7萬多次每個月的點閱率是怎麼樣當然後來洪部長也有"},{"start":4940.106,"end":4964.426,"text":"因為我們有爭取那洪部長也確實來提供所以針對這個資料我們看過你看在11月以前這個事件還沒有爆發的時候總共八支影片點閱率只有五千多次可是事件爆發之後馬上到七萬八千多次所以黃師長我們勞動部這引以至豪的點閱率七萬多次"},{"start":4965.186,"end":4983.556,"text":"是這個醜聞弊案爆發之後大家才去看欸怎麼有這個音樂會欸大家很想了解所以才上去看的點閱率並不是之前你們這性皮20週年推廣大家去看欸總共前面只有5000多次花了400多萬那我們每個點閱率"},{"start":4985.177,"end":5006.383,"text":"一次大概就要花了800塊所以這是非常恐怖的針對這個部分就應該就要好好的去檢討所以針對我們勞動部救安基金的部分我們一定要擇期再審為了看緊我們人民納稅人的荷包我們等審計部把這些用途科目能夠說清楚之後我們再來嚴審謝謝"},{"start":5008.595,"end":5020.593,"text":"好,我們剛剛在那個這個底下的時候有跟所有委員有做一個協商就是我們今天這個基金的部分就是不審啦好,那劉委員還要再講嗎?"},{"start":5022.661,"end":5042.854,"text":"就這樣嗎?今天就是只有審公務預算還有那個財團法人職業災害預算及重建中心的預算基金的部分就是擇期再審我們現在是不是開始進行公務預算沒有,宣讀是嗎?等一下"},{"start":5048.615,"end":5048.735,"text":"我剛剛已經那個"},{"start":5064.522,"end":5089.613,"text":"好,那現在開始審查,請議事人員宣讀勞動部主管公務及勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預算及重建中心114年度預算書案之科目金額及委員提案現在開始宣讀宣讀114年度中央政府總預算案勞動部主管收支部分科目金額一稅務部分第二款"},{"start":5091.028,"end":5096.454,"text":"罰款及賠償收入第152項勞動部250萬元第153項勞工保險局2億3874萬8千元第154項勞動力發展署及所屬29萬9千元第155項職業安全衛生署2億0500萬元"},{"start":5111.07,"end":5120.696,"text":"第156項勞動基金運用局無列數第157項勞動及職業安全衛生研究所30萬元第三款規費收入第124項勞動部"},{"start":5122.799,"end":5147.257,"text":"二千四百四十萬八千元第一百二十五項勞工保險局二千元第一百二十六項勞動力發展署及所屬一億六千九百五十三萬六千元第一二七項職業安全衛生署三億四千五百七十七萬六千元第四款財產收入第一六五項勞動部九十四萬六千元第一六六項勞工保險局二十四萬五千元第一六七項"},{"start":5148.278,"end":5154.501,"text":"勞動力發展署及所屬827萬元、第168項職業安全衛生署28000元、第169項勞動基金運用局6000元、第170項勞動及職業安全衛生研究所60萬元、第7款其他收入、第163項勞動部554000元、第164項勞工保險局676000元、第165項"},{"start":5172.389,"end":5188.98,"text":"勞動力發展署及所屬130萬2千元,第166項。職業安全衛生署25萬4千元,第167項。勞動基金運用局8千元,第168項。勞動及職業安全衛生研究所6萬元。二、稅出部分第15款勞動部主管第一項。勞動部"},{"start":5191.277,"end":5210.288,"text":"二千八百五十九億六千九百五十六萬九千元第一幕勞動保險業務二千八百五十二億二千七百三十三萬四千元第二幕一般行政五億二千九百零九萬七千元第三幕綜合規劃業務一千一百五十五萬二千元"},{"start":5212.318,"end":5214.799,"text":"勞動關係業務6161萬元勞動福祉退休業務29147000元勞動條件及就業平等業務97147000元勞動法務業務8177000元一般建築及設備126萬元"},{"start":5232.748,"end":5242.592,"text":"第九目第一項預備金424萬5千元第二項勞工保險局37億1206萬2千元第一目一般行政29億2706萬2千元第二目保險業務6億5421萬5千元第三目一般建築及設備27萬元第四目第一預備金360萬元"},{"start":5254.938,"end":5277.316,"text":"第五目退休金業務一億二千六百九十一萬五千元第三項勞動力發展所及所屬十七億三千九百零零三萬六千元第一目一般行政三億五千七百六十二萬一千元第二目勞動力發展業務二億零九十萬二千元第三目分屬管理十億七千七百七十二萬一千元"},{"start":5277.916,"end":5298.05,"text":"第4目技能檢定中心管理9905萬1千元第5目一般建築及設備91萬元第6目第一預備金283萬1千元第4項職業安全衛生署8億9308萬9千元第一目職業安全衛生科技發展業務5列數第二目一般行政"},{"start":5298.55,"end":5324.693,"text":"五億二千零七十萬三千元,第三目職業安全衛生業務三億七千一百四八萬六千元,第四目一般建築及設備五列數,第五目第一預備金九十萬元,第五項勞動基金運用局二億四千六百八十六萬四千元,第一目一般行政二億三千四百二十三萬六千元,第二目基金運用業務一千二百五十三萬八千元,第三目第一預備金九萬元,"},{"start":5325.834,"end":5334.159,"text":"六、勞動及職業安全衛生研究所3億2107萬3千元一、一般行政1億0427萬1千元二、勞動及職業安全衛生研究2億1173萬4千元三、一般建築及設備496萬8千元四、第一預備金10萬元"},{"start":5348.307,"end":5367.699,"text":"繼續宣讀委員提案會整表一、陳昭芝等勞動部凍結九千萬元第二至第七項勞動保險業務、羊藥等檢列一百萬元凍結一百萬元曾經為廖偉祥陳昭芝凍結二十分之七、蘇慶賢翁小林等凍結一千萬元、寧月晴等"},{"start":5369.24,"end":5382.076,"text":"凍結50萬元、完整序等凍結10萬元八、陳金輝、廖偉強、陳昭芝就業保險業務檢列10分之3凍結10分之3九、王玉敏等科目同地8案凍結1億元十、盧先英等就業保險業務費檢列50萬元十一、蘇清泉等"},{"start":5386.522,"end":5402.311,"text":"就業保險業務獎補助費凍結十分之一十二、邱振軍、廖偉強、盧先一、柯慕童十一案凍結五十萬元十三、陳金輝、廖偉強、陳昭芝、閻毅、陳寶及現金給付業務檢列十分之一凍結五分之一十四、圖全集等"},{"start":5402.771,"end":5422.842,"text":"科木桐十三案、凍結十分之一、蘇五、盧憲一等現金給付業務費、減劣五十萬元十六、陳金輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝、嚴毅勞工職業災害保險業務、減劣二十分之一、凍結二十分之三十七、陳金輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝、保險監理業務、減劣二十分之一、凍結五分之一"},{"start":5424.423,"end":5448.699,"text":"十八曾經會廖偉祥陳昭芝人員維持檢列二十分之一凍結二十分之三十九曾經會廖偉祥陳昭芝基本行政工作維持檢列二十分之一凍結二十分之三二十盧憲一等基本行政工作維持業務費檢列一千萬元二十一輸清權等基本行政工作維持水電費檢列三十萬元凍結十分之一"},{"start":5449.54,"end":5477.52,"text":"第二十二至二十九案基本行政工作維持特別費蘇清泉等檢列一百一十萬元凍結十分之一突圈機等檢列三十萬元蘇清泉翁小林等檢列二十三萬八千元陳昭芝等全數凍結陳昭芝等凍結五分之一突圈機等凍結十分之一三十蘇清泉翁小林等辦公大樓水電管理費檢列一百一十萬元凍結一百一十萬元"},{"start":5479.889,"end":5495.816,"text":"動節100萬元、三十一廖偉祥等科木童三十案檢列100萬元、動節100萬元、三十二蘇慶泉等政府首展長官水電管理費檢列15萬4千元、動節4萬元、三十三蘇慶泉翁小林等"},{"start":5496.616,"end":5522.433,"text":"消耗品、非消耗品及處理國會聯繫事務等檢列400萬元、凍結100萬元三十四、廖偉祥等科目同33案檢列100萬元、凍結100萬元三十五、陳金輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝統計業務管理檢列20分之1、凍結5分之1三十六、陳金輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝勞動資訊業務凍結20分之3三十七、廖偉祥等勞動資訊業務費全數凍結"},{"start":5525.655,"end":5532.063,"text":"第38至41案設備及投資蘇清泉翁曉林等檢列50萬元凍結50萬元蘇清泉等檢列50萬元凍結1⅓廖偉強等檢列10萬元凍結100萬元秋生君廖偉強盧憲一凍結100萬元"},{"start":5542.697,"end":5569.255,"text":"第42至45案綜合規劃業務王育民等檢列50萬元、蘇清泉等凍結二分之一、王振旭、陳培宇等凍結50萬元、王振旭等凍結10萬元46、陳金輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝策劃政策推展檢列二十分之三、凍結二十分之三47、廖偉祥、柯木桐46案凍結十分之一48、蘇清泉等策劃政策推展業務費凍結50萬元第49至52案"},{"start":5572.817,"end":5581.341,"text":"媒體宣導資料製作、脫波及刊登等所需業務費,蘇清泉翁小林等檢列31萬元,凍結10萬元,蘇清泉等檢列31萬元,凍結10分之一,廖偉強等檢列30萬元,凍結30萬元,"},{"start":5589.164,"end":5601.698,"text":"五十三、陳金輝、廖瑋祥、陳昭芝、強化計畫管考、簡列十分之一、凍結二十分之三五十四、廖瑋祥、柯木桐五十三案、凍結十分之一五十五、廖瑋祥、強化計畫管考、業務費、簡列三十萬元"},{"start":5604.601,"end":5624.168,"text":"56至58案強化人力資源規劃、糧藥等減劣50萬元、凍結100萬元。曾經輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝減劣十分之一、凍結五分之一、劉建國等凍結十分之一。59、林月琴、鍾嘉斌等強化人力資源規劃、一般事務費、凍結五分之一。60、曾經輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝強化國際事務、凍結十分之三。61、廖偉祥強化國際事務業務費減劣30萬元。"},{"start":5631.931,"end":5650.181,"text":"62、邱振軍、廖偉強、盧憲一、大陸地區旅費全數檢列63、廖偉強等、柯木桐62案全數凍結64、蘇清泉等參加兩岸勞動事務研討會所需業務費檢列5萬元65、陳金威、廖偉強、陳昭芝因應貿易自由化之政策規劃協調"},{"start":5652.003,"end":5660.439,"text":"與勞工支持服務凍結二十分之三、六十六如現一等因應貿易自由化之政策規劃協調與勞工支持服務業務費檢列五十萬元。"},{"start":5665.373,"end":5672.954,"text":"67至74案勞動關係業務、王毓民等凍結600萬元、突圈機等凍結二十分之一、黃秀帆等凍結100萬元、林月群、范雲等凍結100萬元、林月琴等凍結50萬元、完正旭等凍結10萬元、75至78案促進工會組織自由化洋藥等檢列100萬元、凍結100萬元、陳昭芝等凍結十分之一、邱振軍、廖偉翔、盧憲英等"},{"start":5693.078,"end":5693.438,"text":"凍結100萬元凍結100萬元凍結100萬元凍結10分之一"},{"start":5717.549,"end":5745.178,"text":"82 劉建國等推動派遣勞工保護法制檢列十萬元凍結十分之一83 陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之推動派遣勞工保護法制國外旅費檢列二分之一凍結二分之一84 陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之建立迅速有效勞資正義處理機制凍結十分之三85 王振旭賴慧媛等柯木桐八十四案凍結五百萬元86 陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之健全不當"},{"start":5746.558,"end":5759.75,"text":"勞動行為裁決機制凍結五分之一87陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭芝強化勞資兌換凍結十分之一88廖偉祥等強化勞資兌換業務費凍結十分之一89至91案穩定勞資關係養藥等檢列五十萬元凍結五十萬元劉建國等檢列五十萬元陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭芝凍結五分之一92盧憲一等穩定勞資關係業務費檢列五十萬元"},{"start":5776.815,"end":5782.6,"text":"939395案勞動福祉退休業務、養藥等檢列50萬元、凍結50萬元、完整訓練賴會員等凍結500萬元、完整序等凍結10萬元、96、劉建國等改善勞工生活凍結100萬元、97、陳金輝、廖偉強、陳昭芝等"},{"start":5793.03,"end":5801.98,"text":"科木童96案凍結五分之二98曾經會廖偉強成招資資訊服務費凍結十分之三99曾經會廖偉強成招資側變勞工服務凍結十分之三100劉建國等科木童99案凍結一百萬元101"},{"start":5813.252,"end":5818.814,"text":"陳盈等落實勞工退休制度檢列50萬元。 102陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之柯木桐101案凍結1⁴。 103陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之勞動基金監理凍結2⁵。 104陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之"},{"start":5830.458,"end":5856.255,"text":"提升勞工福祉凍結二分之一105至109案勞動條件及就業平等業務凸選機等凍結十分之一王玉明等凍結九百萬元王振旭、楊耀、林月琴凍結一百萬元林月琴等凍結五十萬元王振旭等凍結十萬元110陳金輝、廖偉祥、陳昭芝保障勞工法定權益凍結五分之一111廖偉祥等柯木桐110案"},{"start":5858.256,"end":5886.033,"text":"凍結十分之一。 112曾經會廖偉強陳昭之特別保護法自治落實凍結五分之一。 113廖偉強等柯木桐112案凍結十分之一。 114曾經會廖偉強陳昭之健全合理工時制度凍結十分之三。 115廖偉強等柯木桐114案凍結十分之一。 116至124案落實就業平等劉建國等檢列一百萬元凍結一百萬元。"},{"start":5886.793,"end":5900.721,"text":"楊耀等、簡列100萬元、凍結100萬元、陳金威、廖偉祥、陳昭芝、凍結四分之一、林淑芬等、凍結十分之一、林月琴、范雲等、凍結600萬元、林月琴、范雲等、凍結100萬元、王振旭、陳培宇等、凍結100萬元。"},{"start":5902.262,"end":5920.579,"text":"一二五廖偉祥等落實就業平等業務費凍結二十分之一一二六至一二九案落實職產性騷擾繁殖機制燃藥等檢列五十萬元凍結五十萬元陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之凍結四分之一林月琴范雲等凍結一百萬元邱振軍廖偉祥盧憲一凍結五十萬元"},{"start":5922.802,"end":5934.534,"text":"130至132案勞動法務業務王月明等凍結一百萬元李瑞琴范雲等凍結一百萬元突圈機等凍結二十分之一133陳寅等勞動法制檢列一百萬元134陳金輝廖偉強陳昭之勞動法制凍結四分之一"},{"start":5942.05,"end":5963.776,"text":"135至137案書院審議燃料等檢列五十萬元凍結五十萬元劉建國等凍結一百萬元陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭芝凍結二十分之三138陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭芝交通及運輸設備全數凍結主決議139蘇清泉圖泉及邱正軍委員提案140蘇清泉盧憲一王一鳴委員提案141蘇清泉圖泉及邱正軍委員提案"},{"start":5973.481,"end":5990.872,"text":"142、143蘇清泉、盧憲一、王一鳴委員提案144至151、王振旭等委員提案152、陳寅等委員提案153、林月琴、范雲等委員提案154、155、王振旭、張雅琳等委員提案158至160"},{"start":5993.36,"end":6001.555,"text":"劉建國、蘇巧慧等委員提案、156、157、王振旭、陳培宜等委員提案、161、劉建國、鍾嘉斌等委員提案、"},{"start":6003.631,"end":6022.285,"text":"162蘇金璇翁曉琳等媒體政策及業務宣導費減列399萬7千元,凍結100萬元。 163王玉明等科目同162案減列200萬元。 164陳慶輝廖偉祥陳昭之一般行政減列10分之1凍結5分之1。 165王玉明等一般行政凍結2000萬元。"},{"start":6024.267,"end":6027.97,"text":"166至168案基本行政工作維持、洋藥等檢列100萬元、凍結100萬元、林淑芬等凍結3000萬元、劉建國等凍結300萬元"},{"start":6035.694,"end":6055.257,"text":"一六九至一七二基本行政工作維持水電費蘇清泉等檢列五百三十萬元凍結十分之一陳昭芝等檢列五百萬元蘇清蘇清泉翁小林等檢列三百七十二萬元凍結一百萬元廖偉祥等檢列三百萬元凍結一百萬元一七三蘇清泉等"},{"start":6056.118,"end":6063.941,"text":"委託辦理廣播媒體政策及業務宣導費減列30萬元174蘇清泉等媒體政策及業務宣導費減列210萬元175陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭芝資訊業務凍結四分之一176蘇清泉等柯木桐175案凍結十分之一177盧憲一等資訊服務費減列5000萬元178"},{"start":6080.808,"end":6086.994,"text":"邱振軍、廖偉強、盧憲一勞動保障及聯金服務躍升計劃凍結500萬元、179黃秀帆等保險業務凍結1000萬元、180至182案企劃管理業務、劉建國等檢列100萬元、陳金輝、廖偉強、陳昭芝凍結五分之一、完整需待會員等檢列500萬元、"},{"start":6103.089,"end":6116.254,"text":"183至185計劃管理業務費如先一等檢列50萬元廖偉祥等凍結三二十分之三廖偉祥等凍結十分之一186申請權等各項說明會及臉書宣導製作等相關媒體經費檢列150萬元187洋藥等納保業務檢列100萬元凍結100萬元188至191"},{"start":6126.479,"end":6130.584,"text":"保費業務、洋藥等檢列100萬元、凍結100萬元、有建國等檢列100萬元、凍結100萬元、曾經會廖偉祥、陳昭芝、凍結四分之一、完整區域洋藥、林月琴、凍結10萬元、"},{"start":6140.469,"end":6149.334,"text":"1922書金權盧憲一、王玉敏、保費業務獎補助費、凍結十分之一193邱振軍、廖偉強、盧憲一、柯木桐1922案、凍結五百萬元194、195職業災害給付業務、羊藥等檢列一百萬元、凍結一百萬元、成癮等檢列一百萬元、環政區羊藥林月琴、凍結十萬元197至200人民保險業務、廖偉強等凍結二百萬元"},{"start":6169.887,"end":6179.975,"text":"蘇清泉、翁曉琳等凍結200萬元、蘇清泉等凍結十分之一、邱振軍、廖偉強、盧倩依凍結50萬元、 201完整會吳立法等農民保險業務費凍結五分之一、202邱振軍、廖偉強、盧倩依、農民職業災害保險業務凍結100萬元、203完整會賴會員等柯木桐202案凍結100萬元、主決議204完整會吳立法等委員提案、"},{"start":6200.322,"end":6221.819,"text":"二百零五至二百零八案勞動力發展署及所屬施信權等檢列三百萬元凍結十分之一邱振軍廖偉強盧憲一凍結一千萬元黃秀帆等凍結一千萬元陳昭芝等凍結一百萬元二零九劉建國等一般行政檢列一百萬元凍結五百萬元二一零王一鳴等"},{"start":6222.6,"end":6239.919,"text":"基本行政工作維持檢列一百萬元凍結二百萬元二一一蘇清泉等基本行政工作維持水電費檢列八萬元凍結十分之一二一二陳昭芝等柯木桐二一一案檢列八萬元二一三陳金輝廖偉祥"},{"start":6240.86,"end":6269.889,"text":"陳昭芝一般事務費檢列一百萬元214至216基本行政工作維持特別費圖圈機等檢列九萬元圖圈機等凍結五分之一銀書分等凍結五分之一217至225勞動力發展業務陳金輝廖偉翔陳昭芝凍結十分之一完整序代會員等凍結一千萬元蘇金璿翁曉林等凍結五百萬元陳昭芝等凍結二百萬元林月琴等凍結五十萬元"},{"start":6271.172,"end":6296.038,"text":"二二六案委員蘇清泉翁曉林等人提案勞動力發展業務綜合規劃凍結一百萬元二二七案委員蘇清泉等人提案科牧童二二六案凍結五十萬元二二八案委員盧憲義等人提案重要業務效益評估及專案管考委辦費減列四十萬元二二九案委員邱振軍廖偉祥盧憲義提案勞動力發展業務訓練發展凍結十萬元二三零案委員廖偉祥等人提案推展職業訓練發展業務凍結十分之一二三一案"},{"start":6298.999,"end":6309.231,"text":"委員盧憲怡等人提案因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務業務費減列50萬元232案委員王振旭、吳立華等人提案科牧童231案凍結二十分之一"},{"start":6310.495,"end":6335.834,"text":"二、三、三案委員秋振均、廖偉祥、盧仙怡提案就業服務凍結500萬元二、三、四案委員蘇清泉等人提案推動並督導就業服務業務減列2萬元凍結十分之一二、三、五案委員王振旭、吳立華等人提案因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務凍結十分之一二、三、六案委員盧仙怡等人提案科牧童二、三、五案向下業務費減列30萬元二、三、七案委員陳昭志等人提案"},{"start":6336.654,"end":6354.263,"text":"賭注辦理就業保險業務所需行政事務費凍結十分之一238案委員蘇清泉等人提案柯木桐237案凍結十分之一239案委員廖偉祥等人提案柯木桐237案凍結十分之一240案委員邱振軍廖偉祥如現已提案身心障礙者及特定對象"},{"start":6356.024,"end":6384.524,"text":"業務凍結一百萬元二四一案委員盧憲宜等人提案身心障礙者及特定對象就業促進工作業務費減列二十萬元二四二案委員廖偉祥等人提案補助就業安定基金辦理促進特定對象及就業弱勢者就業計劃凍結五分之一二四三案委員陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之提案柯木桐二四二案向下獎補助費對特種基金之補助凍結十分之一二四四案委員邱戰軍廖偉祥盧憲宜提案"},{"start":6384.984,"end":6405.143,"text":"因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務凍結10萬元二四五至二四六案委委員林月琴等人提案科目均為分屬管理各凍結50萬元二四七案委員王振旭、楊耀、林月琴提案包含北基、夷花金馬、桃竹苗、中張頭、雲嘉南、高屏、澎東分屬管理向下辦理之前"},{"start":6405.963,"end":6432.75,"text":"訓練之業務費凍結10萬元二、四、八案委員王玉明等人提案北基宜花金馬分署管理檢列500萬元凍結1000萬元二、四、九案委員林淑芬等人提案北基宜花金馬分署管理基本行政工作維持凍結四分之一二、五、零案委員廖偉祥等人提案柯木桐二、四、九案向下特別費全數凍結二、五、一案委員邱振軍廖偉祥如先一提案北基宜花金馬分署管理"},{"start":6433.09,"end":6455.946,"text":"因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務凍結一百萬元二五二案委員蘇清泉等人提案逃逐苗分屬管理基本行政工作維持水電費減列一百一十萬元凍結十分之一二五三案委員陳昭芝等人提案科目同二五二案減列一百萬元二五四案委員王振旭吳立華等人提案逃逐苗分屬管理辦理值錢訓練業務費"},{"start":6458.107,"end":6481.101,"text":"動結200萬元二五五案委員邱振均、廖偉翔、盧仙怡提案逃逐苗分屬管理因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務動結100萬元二五六案委員邱振均、廖偉翔、盧仙怡提案中章投分屬管理因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務動結100萬元二五七案委員廖偉翔等人提案柯木桐二五六案向下業務費動結100萬元"},{"start":6484.332,"end":6510.957,"text":"二五八案委員蘇清泉等人提案雲嘉南分屬管理基本行政工作維持水電費檢列40萬元凍結十分之一二五九案委員陳昭志等人提案柯木桐二五八案檢列10萬元二六零案委員王振旭代委員等人提案雲嘉南分屬管理因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務凍結1000萬元二六一案委員邱振軍廖偉祥盧仙怡提案柯木桐二六零案凍結100萬元"},{"start":6512.657,"end":6536.108,"text":"二六二案委員蘇清泉等人提案高屏蓬東分署管理基本行政工作維持水電費減列45萬元凍結十分之一二六三案委員陳昭志等人提案柯木桐二六二案減列30萬元二六四案委員邱振軍廖韋祥盧憲一提案高屏蓬東分署管理因應貿易自由化就業發展及協助業務凍結100萬元二六五案委員蘇清泉等人提案"},{"start":6536.648,"end":6553.055,"text":"技能檢定中心管理基本行政工作維持水電費檢列30萬元凍結十分之一266案委員陳昭志等人提案柯木桐265案檢列20萬元267案委員陳金輝廖韋翔陳昭志提案主決議268案委員王振旭等人提案主決議"},{"start":6554.115,"end":6563.44,"text":"職業安全衛生署269案委員王振旭賴會員等人提案職業安全衛生署凍結1000萬元270案委員黃秀芳等人提案科目同269案凍結1000萬元271案委員林月琴等人提案科目同269案凍結50萬元"},{"start":6570.803,"end":6597.078,"text":"二七二案委員李淑芬等人提案一般行政基本行政工作維持凍結十分之一二七三案委員蘇清泉等人提案科目同二七二案向下水電費減列二百二十萬元凍結十分之一二七四案委員陳昭志等人提案科目同二七三案減列二百萬元二七五案委員陳昭志等人提案科目同二七二案向下特別費凍結五分之一二七六至二八一案科目為職業安全衛生業務"},{"start":6598.619,"end":6621.316,"text":"二七六案委員蘇清泉等人提案凍結十分之一二七七案委員吐泉基等人提案凍結二十分之一二七八案委員蘇清泉翁曉林等人提案凍結一千萬元二七九案委員林月琴等人提案凍結五十萬元二八零案委員林月琴等人提案凍結五十萬元二八一案委員王振旭等人提案凍結十萬元二八二案委員廖偉祥等人提案"},{"start":6622.016,"end":6636.068,"text":"職業安全衛生業務媒體政策及業務宣導費簡列50萬元凍結10萬元283案委員王玉明等人提案科目同282案簡列50萬元284案委員蘇星泉翁小林等人提案科目同282案簡列45萬元凍結15萬元"},{"start":6639.727,"end":6657.575,"text":"二八五至二九零案科目為職業安全衛生業務健全職業安全衛生管理及制度二八五案委員王玉明等人提案簡列一百萬元凍結二百萬元二八六案委員楊耀等人提案簡列一百萬元凍結一百萬元二八七案委員劉建國等人提案"},{"start":6658.195,"end":6672.108,"text":"檢列一百萬元凍結一百萬元二八八案委員陳英等人提案檢列五十四萬八千元凍結一百萬元二八九案委員林淑芬等人提案凍結十分之一二九零案委員王振旭楊耀林月琴提案凍結一百萬元"},{"start":6673.129,"end":6698.456,"text":"二九一案委員盧憲一等人提案科目同285案向下業務費減列三百萬元二九二案委員陳金輝、廖偉翔、陳昭芝提案科目同二九一案凍結五分之一二九三至二九七案科目為建構職場安全及推動防災措施二九三案委員王玉明等人提案減列一百萬元凍結三百萬元二九四案委員楊耀等人提案減列一百萬元凍結一百萬元"},{"start":6699.896,"end":6716.806,"text":"二九五案委員劉建國等人提案檢列50萬元凍結100萬元二九六案委員陳盈等人提案檢列30萬4千元二九七案委員邱正鈞廖韋翔盧憲一提案凍結100萬元二九八案委員盧憲一等人提案柯木桐二九三案向下業務費檢列500萬元"},{"start":6718.527,"end":6740.914,"text":"二九九案委員陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭芝提案科目同二九八案凍結五分之一三零零案委員廖偉祥等人提案科目同二九八案凍結二十分之三三零一案委員劉建國等人提案強化職業衛生與推動勞工健康服務凍結十分之一三零二案委員王振旭楊耀林月琴提案科目同三零一案凍結十萬元"},{"start":6742.054,"end":6760.285,"text":"三零三案委員盧憲一等人提案科木同三零一案向下業務費檢列一百萬元三零四案委員陳金輝廖偉翔陳昭芝提案科木同三零三案凍結五分之一三零五案委員陳盈等人提案策進職災勞工保護制度檢列三百萬元"},{"start":6760.865,"end":6783.266,"text":"三零六案委員陳金輝廖偉翔陳昭芝提案科目同三零五案向下業務費凍結五分之一三零七案委員陳盈等人提案科目同三零五案向下獎補助費減列五十萬元三零八至三一一案科目為加強勞動監督檢查三零八案委員陳金輝廖偉翔陳昭芝提案凍結十分之三"},{"start":6783.786,"end":6812.641,"text":"三零九案委員王振旭、楊耀林、岳勤提案凍結一百萬元三一零案委員蘇清泉等人提案凍結十分之一三一一案委員邱振均、廖偉翔、盧憲一提案凍結五十萬元三一二案委員盧憲一等人提案柯木桐三零八案向下業務費檢列二百萬元三一三案委員陳盈等人提案落實危險性機械及設備檢查與管理檢列三百萬元三一四案委員陳金輝、廖偉翔、陳昭芝提案"},{"start":6813.161,"end":6832.931,"text":"建權機械設備及器具安全資訊登錄與驗證業務費凍結五分之一315萬委員陳昭志等人提案科目同314案向下一般事務費凍結五分之一316萬委員陳昭志等人提案科目同315萬凍結五分之一317萬委員陳昭志等人提案科目同315萬凍結五分之一"},{"start":6835.012,"end":6851.717,"text":"三一八案至三一九案為委員王振旭等人提案主決議勞動基金運用局三二零案委員盧憲一等人提案一般行政基本行政工作維持檢列十分之一三二一案委員蘇清泉等人提案科目同三二零案向下水電費檢列26萬元"},{"start":6853.597,"end":6868.002,"text":"三二二案委員陳昭志等人提案科目同三二一案檢列10萬元三二三案委員陳金輝廖偉翔陳昭志提案基金運用業務基金投資與運用規劃凍結十分之一三二四案委員陳盈等人提案"},{"start":6868.482,"end":6886.035,"text":"基金業務之嚴考及控管檢列五十萬元三二五案委員王振旭賴會員等人提案科目同三二四案凍結五百萬元三二六案委員陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭芝提案科目同三二四案凍結十分之一三二七案委員黃秀芳等人提案主決議"},{"start":6886.795,"end":6905.061,"text":"三二半案委員王振旭楊耀林月琴提案主決議勞動及職業安全衛生研究所三二九案委員黃秀芳等人提案勞動及職業安全衛生研究所凍結一千萬元三三零案委員蘇清泉等人提案一般行政基本行政工作維持水電費減列130萬元凍結十分之一"},{"start":6907.302,"end":6922.521,"text":"三三一案委員陳昭芝等人提案科目同三三零案檢列130萬元三三二至三三五案科目為勞動及職業安全衛生研究三三二案委員蘇清泉等人提案凍結十分之一三三三案委員蘇清泉"},{"start":6923.562,"end":6932.466,"text":"如憲一、王育敏提案凍結十分之一、 334案委員林月琴等人提案凍結50萬元、 335案委員林月琴等人提案凍結50萬元、 336案委員陳盈等人提案勞動市場趨勢與就業安定研究檢列100萬元。"},{"start":6940.149,"end":6959.43,"text":"三三七案委員陳金輝廖偉翔陳昭芝提案科木童三三六案凍結十分之一三三八案委員林月琴范雲等人提案科木童三三六案凍結一百萬元三三九案委員陳瑩等人提案科木童三三六案向下業務費減列三百萬元三四零案委員蘇清泉等人提案"},{"start":6959.89,"end":6983.392,"text":"科木童336案向下水電費減列50萬元凍結十分之一341案委員劉建國等人提案辦理工作生活平衡與友善職場研究勞資關係與勞動條件研究減列50萬元凍結100萬元342案委員陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之提案科木童341案凍結十分之一343案委員陳金輝廖偉祥陳昭之提案"},{"start":6984.573,"end":6997.668,"text":"機電營造化工安全技術及安全管理研究凍結十分之一三四四案委員王玉明等人提案結合科技掌握職業衛生危害開發控制技術以降低暴露以降低暴露風險簡略"},{"start":6998.729,"end":7019.35,"text":"一百萬元動節一千萬元三四五萬委員盧憲義等人提案科木同三四四案動節十分之一三四六萬委員林月琴范雲等人提案科木同三四四案動節一百萬元三四七案委員王正旭代會員等人提案辦理勞動與職業安全衛生展示研發成果推廣與國際交流動節五百萬元"},{"start":7020.351,"end":7037.241,"text":"繼續宣讀財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算案工作計劃部分應依據收入支出不動產廠房及設備及投資性不動產投資及資金運用等項之審查結果隨同調整收入支出及輿出部分收入總額3億9906萬7千元"},{"start":7040.042,"end":7066.772,"text":"支出總額3億9千7百26萬7千元本期剩餘180萬元不動產、廠房及設備及投資性不動產投資674萬5千元資金運用部分因依據收入、支出、不動產、廠房及設備及投資性不動產投資等向之審查結果隨同調整繼續宣讀委員提案共計議案一、委員蘇清泉圖權及邱振軍提案業務支出凍結10分之3宣讀完畢"},{"start":7088.191,"end":7096.997,"text":"好那現在已經宣讀完畢齁那我們先休息10分鐘好了大家再溝通我們10點40分開始審查"},{"start":7760.131,"end":7773.637,"text":"好現在開始進行公務預算主案討論那總共有委員提案347案每案先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見好我們現在開始審查第一案那個麥克風是發下去都發了"},{"start":7787.327,"end":7800.549,"text":"報告委員第一案是陳昭之委員提出來的那他的凍結數已經同意改成凍結90萬元提出書面報告後解凍那委員已簽署好那第一案就照這樣通過第二案"},{"start":7803.56,"end":7822.57,"text":"跟主席跟各位委員報告第二案是楊要委員關心勞保財務的議題跟委員辦公室溝通謝謝委員的支持同意不簡列改凍結勞動保險業務50萬元並與其他提案並按凍結委員已經簽署第二案通過第三案"},{"start":7827.54,"end":7830.125,"text":"第三案是曾經會委員關心有關勞動保險業務將補助預算增減的原因那跟委員溝通委員已經改成主決議那已經簽署"},{"start":7841.613,"end":7864.487,"text":"好第3案改成主決議通過第4案那第4案是翁曉琳委員那翁曉琳委員是關心勞保財務的議題那我們有送書面報告給委員辦公室文字列有修正還沒有簽署還沒有簽署那那個書委員先保留好第4案保留"},{"start":7865.643,"end":7876.008,"text":"第5案第5案是林業群委員關心勞保條例所定的移屬條件的議題那跟委員辦公室溝通已經改並動勞動保險業務10萬元那委員已經簽署好林委員"},{"start":7883.803,"end":7899.043,"text":"這篇我還是要表達一下,因為被保險人是單身,如果身故前受兄弟姊妹撫養的話,被保險期間死亡撫養他的兄弟姊妹應該要可以去領傷障津貼來辦理後事,否則他"},{"start":7900.697,"end":7919.646,"text":"一退休剛好就碰到就是死亡什麼東西然後就所有的都要變成是他家屬來做負擔了所以我退保後的身故則撫養他的兄弟姐妹什麼都不能領這個問題我還是希望因為民眾都在反映不公平因為他過去是在保繳這些費用可是最後他當他死亡"},{"start":7920.586,"end":7942.654,"text":"他還沒領的時候他一退休就過世結果變成家人要全部去做負擔所以更討論所以希望你們在6個月內要去做出相關所以我還是動50萬嘛那同平安可是希望你們趕快可以把這個報告盡快的交出來是我們依照委員的指示我們來寫書面報告是好"},{"start":7948.994,"end":7952.799,"text":"第5案,照林委員的這個凍結50萬。第6案也是林委員關心"},{"start":7960.529,"end":7965.012,"text":"好那到底是動50萬還是動50萬動50萬動50萬喔動50萬對動50萬謝謝並動50萬對並動50萬好第6案第6案也是林委員喔那委員已經同意改組決議已經簽署好那林委員好"},{"start":7985.358,"end":8010.531,"text":"第6案改組決議第7案第7案是王振旭委員那王振旭委員已經簽署同意原來的10萬改併動10萬元是來主席這部分我還是麻煩這個主管機關針對於為什麼需要把這個急劇做一些調高的問題還有他必要性也讓我們知道那我們是同意可以併案處理"},{"start":8012.512,"end":8016.774,"text":"好第第7案就是呃病動病動10萬元好病動10萬嗎是是是病動10萬所以"},{"start":8038.894,"end":8045.299,"text":"所以現在是第二案、第三案、第四案、第五案、第六案、第七案是不是因為都那個工作計畫都相同那是全部都並動?"},{"start":8045.299,"end":8045.439,"text":"是!是!那全部?"},{"start":8045.439,"end":8062.412,"text":"沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有沒有"},{"start":8068.345,"end":8070.595,"text":"所以現在是第二案、第五案、第七案並動50萬。"},{"start":8080.818,"end":8107.164,"text":"第8案第8案是陳慶慧委員那也同意改病棟勞動保險沒有沒有不好意思不好意思主席這案是我的對我沒有我要保留送學生因為理由很簡單我們對於勞保基金是無底洞的撥補但是你又說你要研議這些勞工保險財務及就業保險的計劃可是對一般人民而言"},{"start":8108.124,"end":8128.556,"text":"實在是沒有辦法理解因為大家都聽到勞保基金始終是在一種快要破產的危險的邊緣好那呃陳委員原本你這一案有簽署齁我沒有簽署我沒有簽署對啊你有簽那是不是要再拿回去"},{"start":8137.128,"end":8153.842,"text":"好那第8案就先保留第9案那跟委員報告第8案的部分因為舊保舊保的文字啦因為舊保沒有撥補是不是未來把舊保文字刪除這樣修正對"},{"start":8159.057,"end":8172.768,"text":"陳委員那個第8案你是要保留還是我要保留我要保留好那第8案保留第9案好那第9案是王育明委員他關心勞保財務的議題可不可以懇請委員能夠同意改併動50萬沒有辦法"},{"start":8175.49,"end":8203.241,"text":"那個我的第九案呢一樣關心的就是我們的整個勞工保險到底現在執政黨要怎麼處理那如果說撥補就是改革那到底一年應該要撥補多少如果按照一般專家學者講一年至少要撥補五千多億但是以現在的水位不是就只是拖而已並不是一個真正的解決方案第二個是如果撥補即是改革"},{"start":8203.621,"end":8227.532,"text":"那政府要擔起最終最後支付責任這個不是嘴巴說說應該就是要正式的立法那因為這個案子我覺得涉及到廣大千萬勞工他們是不是都可以確保特別是年輕這一代以後退休還可以領得到這個勞保金那所以應該是要送這個保留送協商這個議題是一個非常大的議題"},{"start":8229.853,"end":8239.257,"text":"所以我這個案子保留送學生好那第9案保留第10案第10案是盧憲毅委員他關心勞保財務的議題那同意改併動50萬元委員已經簽署好第10案併動50萬第11案是蘇青前委員他就是關心勞保財務的議題那也同意改併動50萬"},{"start":8258.007,"end":8265.259,"text":"第11案並動50萬 第12案 沒有沒有沒有 這個保留一起協商好了 保留一起協商"},{"start":8265.939,"end":8291.136,"text":"跟那個王毅民的第9案一起打好不好保留一起審查那原本蘇委員你有簽署的這個部分在撤回去暫時後的好那第11案保留第12案第12案是邱政經委員他也是關心勞保財務的議題那也改統一病棟勞動保險業務10萬元委員已經簽署了"},{"start":8296.379,"end":8305.767,"text":"好那原本有簽的部分是要在策委好那第12案保留"},{"start":8309.679,"end":8322.503,"text":"13案13案是陳委員關心勞退自選投資的議題委員同意改組決議已經簽署13案改組決議第14案14案是土委員關心單身勞工的遺屬要來領遺屬年金的議題委員同意改組決議已經簽署13案改組決議第15案"},{"start":8337.133,"end":8358.38,"text":"第15案是盧憲毅委員關心勞保財務的議題同意改病棟勞動保險業務50萬元已經簽署好,第15案病棟50萬,第16案第16案是陳金輝委員關心勞保的傷病給予勤領條件的議題那委員還沒有簽署陳委員"},{"start":8360.555,"end":8362.035,"text":"第16案改組決議第17案第17案改組決議第18案"},{"start":8381.841,"end":8403.907,"text":"18跟19我都不同意改組決議18就是應該要下降非典型就業的承攬人力而且你們正式編制的職員都已經明顯增加了那我有稍微問了一下你們說這個114年度用三個月就就只需要用三個月這樣子我覺得對勞工太不尊重了"},{"start":8408.252,"end":8429.534,"text":"關於第18案剛才陳委員你原本有簽署有簽署了有簽署我先把它收回不好意思我16跟17簽署主決議可是我18我要保留送協商18保留1919我也保留送協商"},{"start":8430.026,"end":8433.17,"text":"二十案改組決議二十一案"},{"start":8445.026,"end":8463.503,"text":"二十一案是蘇清泉委員的有關水電費的部分那跟委員報告說勞動部其實台電近三年的那個價電費已經調漲百分之三十那勞動部整體增加只有26所以希望委員能夠可以同意改成主決議蘇委員"},{"start":8474.068,"end":8492.522,"text":"這個要說明啦齁我還是要再講一次齁整個經濟部用錯誤的能源政策然後搞了一大堆一直漲價然後叫你們就編明年預算就編預算來要來支運那為什麼不去跟經濟部講叫他不要給漲你們的電費"},{"start":8494.083,"end":8508.219,"text":"這樣子的話對於百姓是無辜的我們電費醫療院所什麼一些公司已經被漲了兩次了去年到現在已經漲了47%的電費"},{"start":8511.322,"end":8532.13,"text":"下季時間一度電8塊多那晚上半夜兩塊多部長你知道嗎?白天是8塊多所以錯誤的政策然後造成你們的增加然後叫全民來買單我覺得就很不公平所以這就要講不是你們的錯啦是經濟部所以順便我們再來討論一下好部長那個"},{"start":8541.202,"end":8542.885,"text":"謝謝書委員的關心我説明有兩個點第一個點"},{"start":8545.41,"end":8570.571,"text":"第一個點是說確實過去我們現在看到其實過去在我們業務單位在水電費的編列其實一直都有編列不足的狀況坦白說就存在編列不足的狀況那這一次是行政院那特別說那如果過去有編列不足的狀況這一次讓大家編組這是第一個原因第二個原因確實是剛才講到說因為我們有很多的這個大樓他是用契約容量的部分那因為契約容量的部分會被這個電價的調漲給漲到主要是這兩個原因"},{"start":8573.593,"end":8598.67,"text":"那我不知道可不可以跟書委員討論或者說我們也跟其他委員因為有些委員其實也都談到水電費的問題我非常非常願意我們這個預算編列外其實我也希望我們同仁這些相關的所屬的機關怎麼樣能夠再把能源效率再提高甚至這部分也讓更多的這個節能方面的專家學者來做這些相關的協助這部分我也很願意來"},{"start":8599.691,"end":8602.613,"text":"我們也不是說說啊漲價了所以我就就好像有點殺手不管也不是我們很願意來這方面來精進這樣好不好"},{"start":8628.752,"end":8644.165,"text":"你漲價你就轉移過來我覺得這樣這樣沒有好好毫無誠意跟改善我們願意精進啦我們這針對能源效率提高台電已經撥補一千億一千億已經撥補兩次了現在還在情緒囉嗦他說再不撥還要再漲"},{"start":8646.42,"end":8647.72,"text":"二十一案保留"},{"start":8666.565,"end":8681.553,"text":"二十二案二十二案也是蘇清泉委員的那可不可以跟主席解釋一下二十二案到二十八案都是特別費的部分喔那二十三案是圖全基委員二十四案是翁曉琳委員二十五案是陳昭芝委員好"},{"start":8685.051,"end":8702.301,"text":"對我對我們部長的複製我們事實上他很聰明我那天跟他談他還說他的宿舍都不敢住進去住因為要花很多錢要整修在裝修他就不得了要被罵死了所以我肯定他"},{"start":8703.141,"end":8714.476,"text":"阿這個因為很多人提啦所以呢一包我們一起來討論因為歐小林委員他現在在另外一個部位齁那我們等一下再先保留我們再回來再所以現在是"},{"start":8716.92,"end":8722.242,"text":"我全部要求保留28的部分我可以再說明一下"},{"start":8734.627,"end":8754.992,"text":"部長應該沒有看過那個會議記錄根據經濟部他的標檢局已經說沒有標準可依循但是執安署還是做出這個會議結論這目前就是讓那個所謂的鑄鐵不合格80%的求化率的鑄鐵他有一個新名詞叫做求墨"},{"start":8756.596,"end":8756.876,"text":"我25、26、27、28我是先要求保留協商"},{"start":8781.966,"end":8783.407,"text":"23、24、25、26、27、28、29目前就先保留"},{"start":8810.86,"end":8813.382,"text":"二九有簽了嗎?"},{"start":8813.382,"end":8816.864,"text":"那二十九已經改成組決議簽署那現在就是23、24、25、26、27、28先保留"},{"start":8828.655,"end":8829.435,"text":"是改成主決議還是保留?"},{"start":8860.067,"end":8888.502,"text":"現在就是22、23、24、25、26、27、28目前先保留第三十案三十案也是水電費的部分那是不是也就是等一下也是保留三十案保留三十一案也是水電費也是保留"},{"start":8890.071,"end":8914.597,"text":"三十一案保留三十二案的話委員同意改成組決議簽署好三十二案改組決議三十三案三十三案的部分的話委員不在現場然後委員也沒有簽署是不是就保留保留好保留三十四案三十四案也保留保留"},{"start":8918.184,"end":8920.005,"text":"35案保留保留送鞋箱35案保留"},{"start":8945.993,"end":8965.16,"text":"三五也是保留送協商三十六三十六是那個陳委員陳慶會委員關心那個勞動執行業務那這邊有跟委員辦公室那邊有溝通以後該組決議了好三十六案改組決議三十七案"},{"start":8965.916,"end":8992.415,"text":"那37月是廖偉祥廖委員的他關心我們在勞動諮詢業務裡面有一個購買個人電腦跟交換器光纖交換器這部分那這部分因為該委員辦公室還沒說明一下是因為這部分是依照主計總處我們電腦是每年貸換五分之一啦所以我們每年會編這個預算那一輪五年這樣把它貸換完畢那另外那個光纖交換器是因為"},{"start":8993.255,"end":9022.25,"text":"我原本誤解這個不是要供上網用是供我面部網路連結從各個樓層連結到我主機房的主機電腦使用那這台電腦這個兩個設備呢都是104年買的到明年已經第11年其實是非常舊而且那個有資安的勞動餘地不能修補所以我們編了預算要購買這件事情那個價格都是從公共企業是都可以查詢得到的"},{"start":9023.07,"end":9047.608,"text":"非常實在是這樣那請委員是不是可以呃測案或是說請問一下這個你們拉線會不會涉及到裝潢會不會有另外一筆裝潢費用不會不會不會那個就直接純粹就從那個接線那個以前就已經都裝好只是把設備汰換掉了啊設備汰換掉了沒有沒有那個沒有沒有沒有沒有是是OK好謝謝委員那這個就這個就測案沒問題好謝謝謝謝"},{"start":9049.69,"end":9068.382,"text":"那第38案沒有等一下37案是怎樣測案測案好37案測案好38案那38案翁小林委員這跟剛剛37案還有39、40、41都是一樣的都是一樣的的案由那解釋都是一樣都是因為依主席總署那個"},{"start":9069.463,"end":9069.483,"text":"蘇委員．"},{"start":9099.571,"end":9113.214,"text":"我曉得你保留一下那39萬蘇委員的39萬蘇委員因為跟37跟41是一樣的內容都是一模一樣這個是"},{"start":9129.673,"end":9153.557,"text":"你那個每年齁每年都增加預算然後配置到哪裡啊怎麼用那每年我看每年都因為報告委員那個因為整個勞動部部本部這邊總共人數大概加起來將近400多然後每年大概五分之一是原則是五分之四八十但是因為有時候會今年比較沒有錢可能整滿六十起步"},{"start":9153.977,"end":9156.719,"text":"公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管"},{"start":9178.914,"end":9197.076,"text":"加那個地方所以才今年會比其他往年多所以你們是多久派換在在五年五分之一每年他們五分之一五分之一啊因為那個五年報會啊對他那個主席總是四年報會但是公家機關是會用到五年啊所以他是五分五分之四年太快了吧"},{"start":9197.617,"end":9221.064,"text":"那個他是他是這麼寫但是我們公務機關會會再能用就會再繼續用了都是都是變到七年八年了還有殘職了沒有他會算殘職啊那你們殘職跳到哪裡去啊我們有時候會整理那有一些藝樂團體或社會團體那個比較弱勢團體會來向我們要兼增電腦那後來我們會把它"},{"start":9224.586,"end":9251.016,"text":"所以你們今天轉贈給社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會福利及社會"},{"start":9253.174,"end":9262.883,"text":"第39案徹案第40案是一樣跟那個要委員這篇是剛跟那個37案是一樣"},{"start":9274.062,"end":9288.133,"text":"欸我還是想問一下你們現在因為你用光纖交換器但現在大概都是Wi-Fi通訊喔那你們現在更新的必要性因為是Wi-Fi的話是如果是外網的話當然是用Wi-Fi是比較但是因為這個是內部網路"},{"start":9290.334,"end":9290.594,"text":"這是雙重的問題"},{"start":9315.578,"end":9338.943,"text":"OK,好,那就跟37案一樣嘛,就測案。 好,謝謝,謝謝委員,謝謝。 那個我跟委員報告一下,因為有的委員剛剛有的是保留,有的是保留送協商,那這個是不一樣喔,保留的話就是到第二輪,那保留送協商就沒有到,就是﹖好,那不在就直接保留送協商﹖ 直接政黨協商嘛,所以你們等一下如果要保留"},{"start":9340.103,"end":9352.737,"text":"保留那就是二輪喔齁那如果保你們自己本身講保留送協商那就是政黨協商好不好你們自己要講清楚要不然我就是用保留保留就是二輪喔齁好那呃41案測案齁42案"},{"start":9360.441,"end":9371.515,"text":"事實上是謝謝王毓民委員他不要關心我們中規是下面一個政策的業務的宣導的費用那已經感謝委員已經簽名同意並按簡略中規是綜合規劃業務預算30萬且科目執行調整"},{"start":9375.738,"end":9381.662,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算"},{"start":9395.326,"end":9417.288,"text":"44案是陳培運委員也是關心我們綜合貴家業務的部分然後那已經也同意改成主決議44案改主決議45案45案是王振旭委員他主要是針對我們的那個勞動法規裡面有些法律要重新再檢討有沒有必要對外公開裁罰的部分那也謝謝委員同意已經改主決議45案改主決議46案"},{"start":9419.229,"end":9437.321,"text":"46案是曾經委員的提案,主要是針對我們綜合規劃業務裡面有一個管好平台的系統的建置。然後經過說明之後,也謝謝委員同意凍結我們綜合規劃業務政策策劃政策推展5%。是,改組決議,改凍結署。"},{"start":9440.339,"end":9467.607,"text":"就改凍結5%對改凍結5%凍結5%對5%好47案47案是我們廖偉強委員的提案他主要是針對我們那個上下工勞工在上下班如果遇到天然災害的時候那可不可以比照公園的部分不過這部分是不是我們有提書面主決到委員辦公室可不可以讓委員同意我們的請求廖委員廖委員對"},{"start":9471.704,"end":9486.01,"text":"我想要了解一下這個立法的期程喔那如果明確於114年推動的話我覺得就可以解凍了到時候但是現在想要先了解一下關於這個權益的部分立法期程是怎麼樣"},{"start":9486.826,"end":9506.054,"text":"嗯那上下班途中因為跟委員報告這個因為我們綜合規劃又大概是在做一些政策的延期的部分那因為這邊會涉及到實際上下班裡面會牽涉我們還有其他單位的部分所以114年應該是比較有點難度那不然我們就保留鐘先生"},{"start":9508.632,"end":9519.381,"text":"47案保留送協商48案48案是書記員的提案是針對我們高工時的也請我們去做一些相關的原意那也謝謝委員同意改成主決議48案改組決議49案"},{"start":9522.308,"end":9540.282,"text":"49 49案是翁曉琳委員的提案。然後我們有去委員辦公室協商但有送文件到委員辦公室但還沒有簽署。 好49案保留。50案。 50案也是我們書記選委的一個建議就是有針對我們的一些的政策宣導的部分然後委員同意改成主決議。"},{"start":9540.95,"end":9562.24,"text":"好,50案改組決議51案51案跟52案都是廖偉祥委員的提案兩個提案都一樣都是針對我們業務的政策宣導的部分那是不是建委員可不可以比照跟王一民委員一樣是併案3減30萬廖委員我要保留送協商好"},{"start":9567.682,"end":9571.744,"text":"所以51跟52都要保留?"},{"start":9571.744,"end":9586.27,"text":"是不是建議我們跟委員我們可不可以再跟你們報告一下?因為這個預算不多啦,預算只有62萬而已。 對啊,所以就保留宋學長吧。 保留跟委員報告可不可以保留?"},{"start":9587.771,"end":9596.724,"text":"他可以自辦為何還有這個耗費資源去投放廣告那你們不是都有培訓嗎這不是應該是內部小編的職責嗎"},{"start":9600.39,"end":9626.668,"text":"跟委員報告齁基本上來講我們本身因為有些業務上來講不是我們部裡面能夠做政策宣導裡面我們也必須要透過一些的平面的媒體或者是我們廣播去做一些宣導那基本上因為我們編的預算數真的不多那本身來講部裡面當然講臉書部門我們自己有的是小編的同仁會去做一些的協助欸主席我想就保留宋協商"},{"start":9632.298,"end":9649.606,"text":"五一跟五二就保留宋協商五三是陳謙委員關注我們中央公安業管考的業務裡面也是我們的建制系統委員已經同意簽名同意凍結我們中央公安業務強化計畫管考5%"},{"start":9651.383,"end":9678.213,"text":"五十三案凍結百分之五十四案五十四案是廖委員的提案是針對我們因為他提到是營建業的能力不足那要靠補充152名的員工那希望是我們去能夠針對去強化我們的一些的管考能力的部分跟我們報告這部分是不是能夠待會事後跟我們再報告一下"},{"start":9678.513,"end":9700.431,"text":"我想要請問一下這個何時可以召開這個缺工會議啊對缺工會議目前為止是我們勞發組這邊會在主政那你什麼時候會召開這個部分可能什麼時候會召開全國缺工會議因為我的提案有講嘛就是最主要是這個有檢討的必要嘛是"},{"start":9702.939,"end":9704.2,"text":"我知道你會啊,但是我是問什麼時候嗎?"},{"start":9722.163,"end":9736.71,"text":"跟委員報告因為上一次何部長在任內的時候呢那個商業總會有先召開過一次那時候何部長也有參加那一些意見我們都有回收回來那我們會再次需要再做後續的一個缺工議題的一個盤點跟處理"},{"start":9738.959,"end":9766.765,"text":"不好意思我沒有聽清楚是在何部長任內的時候呢那個時候全國商業總會曾經召開過一次缺工的一個議題的一個會議那邀請部長共同主持那那一次的會議所收集到的意見也作為我們現在在盤點這個缺工因應措施的一個資訊那什麼時候進一步會有再進一步的檢討或是要怎麼去因應這樣那因為我只是凍結嘛所以到時候已經確定好"},{"start":9767.245,"end":9783.732,"text":"然後要怎麼推進的時候我們就可以解凍那個跟跟文說明吼其實現在針對勞動力開發就是目前產業有提出這個缺工這個議題那我們其實現在部裡面其實這個行政院有指示吼那我們會在這應該是這一兩個"},{"start":9785.532,"end":9805.522,"text":"這兩個月裡面那針對這勞動力開發的一些做法那我們會提出相關的評估跟做法所以這部分其實是我們現在很密很很花很多力氣在進行的事情因為確實產業也有很多的聲音那只是我們在做評估的時候我們要要想怎麼樣來兼顧守護"},{"start":9808.252,"end":9827.073,"text":"勞工的權益所以這部分其實是有在做的那所以需要多少時間大概兩個月以內一個月我們是目前大概會是在應該是希望是在年後有一個初步的評估但是還是沒有很具體的時間還是要改個主決議然後壓一個具體時間"},{"start":9829.251,"end":9831.653,"text":"我覺得如果可以主持的話當然是比較好好不好?"},{"start":9831.653,"end":9856.013,"text":"加一個具體的時間是我們就說您然後開會講錯了應該是說召開完之後召開完之後然後到委員會報告完之後我們就經委員會同意我們就可以解凍跟委員說明第一個事情是我們這其實在做政策性的評估啦吼那現在當然是在做重新評估所以可能不一定一定是說我們去召開一個所謂全國缺工會議"},{"start":9857.608,"end":9861.241,"text":"因為要召開一個全國性的會議他需要籌辦的時間其實是需要蠻長的"},{"start":9867.188,"end":9893.255,"text":"其實應該這樣講啊因為這個是很模糊的嘛那你覺得有其我現在就是覺得有其必要性可以去召開嗎還是你覺得已經不需要了我們沒有覺得不需要因為現在當然一定都是在收集各方的意見包括資方的意見包括產業的意見包括勞方的意見絕對都要綜合性評估可是我的意思是說一定是要召開一個所謂全國缺工會的行這個召開全國性會議的時間點常常是要比較長的"},{"start":9894.815,"end":9922.037,"text":"所以其實基本上我的訴求是這樣啦如果有確定了哪一個日期然後何時可以召開,允諾要召開在什麼時間點可以的話到時候報委員會我們就可以解凍我們會來收集各方的意見但形式上不一定是一個所謂全國缺工會議的形式啦因為用這個形式其實有很多的意見不一定這不一定是唯一能夠收集大家意見的形式我想讓"},{"start":9922.978,"end":9946.277,"text":"委員其實可以瞭解但以勞動部建在針對缺工這這是一個非常非常重大的議題我們當然要收集不管是產官學勞的意見都一定要那你們目前怎麼收集那你們目前用什麼讓人家比較可能我們有相關的諮詢的會議啊包括其實很多的目的世界主管機關其實都要來做討論就是說到時候這個目的世界主管機關"},{"start":9946.857,"end":9968.599,"text":"那這些產業產官學的這些包括經濟部交通部包括這個相關的產業的工商團體也包括勞工團體這些所有的意見一定我們都是要彙整的好沒關係部長我想我因為我是凍結我們大家都很關心這個議題所以我想我們就保留送協商保留送協商"},{"start":9968.919,"end":9978.727,"text":"是不是那個53案跟54案是不是可以並動因為53案是動5%嘛那54案53案是15欸並動5%啦就是那個53案剛剛是動5%嗎各位很抱歉因為這幾個議題裡面必須要長期性的在做一下規劃那大概來講是不是說是其實案件都差不多是會做並動的"},{"start":9997.935,"end":10006.561,"text":"好,那我們併動然後保留送鞋商。併動還保留送鞋商?併動,併動完之後?就併動。併動你們就可以了?對,併動。好,併動。就是,到時候我們寫一下就53、54跟55一起嗎?都併動嗎?那就53、54、55併動5%嗎?對,是。好。併動5%"},{"start":10028.647,"end":10037.421,"text":"欸那55的科目跟53的科目不太一樣他都是計劃管考喔計劃管考都是長話計劃管考都是他有55萬是那個優惠費對"},{"start":10041.485,"end":10054.613,"text":"五十三、五十四、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、五十五、"},{"start":10066.926,"end":10069.308,"text":"五十六案五十六案改組決議五十七案"},{"start":10091.569,"end":10120.809,"text":"五七七案是陳俊偉的提案他是希望了解我們為什麼要購買翻譯國際勞動研究的書刊那這部分跟委員報告是因為我之前讀過很多勞研所的做出來的報告其實我覺得勞研所做出來的報告非常好所以他本來就是負責主責你們勞動政策的研究嘛因此我覺得綜合規劃師不應該再多編列這300多萬然後去購買研究的資料就已經有勞研所我們是要做第二個勞研所嗎"},{"start":10121.429,"end":10148.23,"text":"跟委員報告事實上我們的業務上有做分切割基本上中規師來講的人力政策規劃大概是做先驅性的一些研究那我們做完研究之後會再把我們研究發現的結果會在每年3月份會交給我們老人所再做後續研究所以基本上我們在定位上部裡面先做政策性的先驅性的研究之後才把這些政策會交給我們老人所去做後續研究沒關係我要保留送協商"},{"start":10149.932,"end":10165.247,"text":"保留可不可以根委員因為基本上因為我們在買國外的書籍其實費用真的不高一年大概只有幾萬塊而已我覺得你們可以把它編到勞研所去啊根委員報告因為我們兩個業務界部裡面政策的會先驅性跑得比他還快"},{"start":10165.968,"end":10182.676,"text":"那做完之後我們才把研究一些要再做的細項部分交給他們再去做研究其實我看過你們勞援所的報告你們做的報告也很先驅而且是把全世界的勞動相關的都已經整理得很好了我們部裡面的也有做報告我們也有做"},{"start":10183.596,"end":10201.102,"text":"我沒有做研究報告部長你可以講一下先驅性跟後端的差別嗎我跟陳委員報告因為其實重規劃師本來就是協助整體的政策規劃就他本來就一個整體政策規劃所以讓重規師他有能力瞭解這個"},{"start":10202.762,"end":10218.303,"text":"了解我們現在國際上面最新的一些勞動政策的變化跟趨勢坦白說我覺得這件事情對重規師在做整體的政策規劃的是一件重要的事情那勞研所的部分他比較是針對說我們可能認為哪些部分要再進一步的深入去探討"},{"start":10219.451,"end":10245.572,"text":"那深入探討可能大家就會給他一個更detail的題目勞安所去做研究那當然也很謝謝委員肯定我們勞安所的成果可是這個部分就中歸市來說他其實給他一點經費他可以長期的保持跟國際上面最新的勞動政策的趨勢能夠接軌能夠了解因為這個經費真的不高所以這裡面其實在分工上面其實是有這樣子的區別"},{"start":10246.502,"end":10267.993,"text":"我不好意思我可能還沒有聽懂您所謂的分工上的區別因為你前面也是在講國際的趨勢後面也是在講國際的趨勢不是不是委員我想跟你說明前面確實他們其實是一個比較長期的讓我們的整體的政策整體的政策規劃跟國際的趨勢能夠接軌但勞援所這邊可能是指派一些特定的主題"},{"start":10269.899,"end":10296.818,"text":"這可能是進到細項裡面可能一些特定的主題包括國際的趨勢跟臺灣可能一些相關的背所以我們有很多是你要研究你要了解國際可是也要對應到臺灣之間的綜合性的這樣子的比較但是重規師這邊比較就是讓他們其實有一點經費可以長期的跟國際目前最至少了解目前國際新的一些勞動的趨勢的接軌其實是有一些差別的"},{"start":10297.478,"end":10312.272,"text":"所以你們專門做研究的為什麼不把它統一因為它有可能這些資料根本就重複啦就重複購買啊我根本可不可以解釋一下我舉個例子好了我們在107、108我們關注到我們講新科技經濟的發展裡面有些新經濟像平台經濟"},{"start":10318.157,"end":10336.951,"text":"我們中衛司先做一個先期性的研究然後發現平台經濟裡面包含他的雇用關係包含他的發展我們就把這些的業務就交給我們的老人所那老人所就做後續比如說他針對平台經濟各個項目裡面再後續follow去做那最早做的研究是我們中衛司在做就跟部長所提到我會做比較先進的"},{"start":10338.095,"end":10362.233,"text":"所以你覺得你們有沒有可能根本就會重複購買到相同的國際勞動研究書刊資料這個不會為什麼因為基本上來講我們都有在對接因為基本上因為他們大概是做研究我們是長期比如說看一些那個label review那些的比較長期性的長期性要關注到等於說在比如說在國際上來講這個經費的書籍裡面我們會去找"},{"start":10365.555,"end":10367.135,"text":"57案保留送協商五十八案"},{"start":10395.334,"end":10412.63,"text":"五十八案是劉建文的提案也是關鍵我們的交通運輸業還有我們的那個就是物流跟汽車業的一些缺空的問題那是不是建議我們可以同意跟楊耀文一樣是可以用主決議的方式處理"},{"start":10414.059,"end":10438.924,"text":"委員我可以啦不過你們可能要跟主席還有其他委員拜託一下齁因為我們一般審預算第一輪當然是有一些如果解釋不清楚是先行保留嘛再來第二輪那現在如果通通保留協商大家都會很累啊而且也沒有辦法進度要比較實質討論我們在這個委員會"},{"start":10441.565,"end":10460.954,"text":"其實討論上會比較精細一些啦齁,啊你如果送保留協商那個就咻咻咻咻咻就很快就過去了齁,嘿嘿嘿所以給各位做一個參考也請主席可能要是不是休個五分鐘大家溝通一下,不然連這個案全部都保留協商,啊第二輪要不要再來?"},{"start":10463.696,"end":10476.248,"text":"如果第二輪要再來,那是再講一次保留協商。沒有啦,我不說你,我知道啦,因為前陣子很多人都保留了倉啦嘛。啊你保留了倉,其實我們就沒理由這樣討論啦。"},{"start":10478.91,"end":10500.637,"text":"我們是一般想說前面第一案第一案好整套這樣解說沒很清楚的啊好我們就保留啊第二輪才再來嘛是啊這樣大家比較像我們可以理解因為我也聽啊我也聽說你仲貴司跟你的勞援所你們的功能存在什麼地方嘛對不對啊仲貴司是所有機關來講是最最重要的一個幕僚單位"},{"start":10503.658,"end":10524.085,"text":"大佬你說的啦,我覺得是很重要的單位啦,你很重要的單位,他想說到你那裡說到委員聽不下去,你這個大佬也在那裡,可能要吃一些補腦的,吃補腦在這邊還有救啊,你去協商就沒救了,你認為說腦的反應速度沒有很快。"},{"start":10524.725,"end":10525.706,"text":"我這個可以改組決議啦我沒有意見啦好謝謝好我是幫他改組決議"},{"start":10554.744,"end":10574.33,"text":"五十九案五十九案是中加編委員的提案他主要想瞭解我們高齡化之後然後針對勞動部裡面非典型的一些的研究的方向然後那也感謝委員簽名同意改成主決議五十九案改主決議六十案六十案是曾經委員的提案是針對我們國際業務因為我們事實上跟委員報告因為我們的國際組織的業務裡面來講因為我們每年會去看"},{"start":10580.533,"end":10600.391,"text":"我總額不變那基本上來講我的整個預算的編列裡面事實上它並沒有減少那只是那個科目因為可能它是使用上來講比如他參加組織活動的項目會簡略一點點但整體上來講它費用是沒有減少的因為基本上我們推協助我們的參與國際事務我們都還蠻重視的"},{"start":10602.361,"end":10618.457,"text":"對我只是好奇就是你之前的預算跟現在的預算縮編的非常多那為什麼好如果你說編的非常多那為什麼你有什麼理由要你說加起來是一樣的那你有什麼理由要把這些個別拆出去那為什麼以前不拆"},{"start":10620.238,"end":10645.305,"text":"我們會去看一下就是說當年度比如說我辦的活動要減少的話我會把那個量放低一點點但是我會去補到比如說他要出國參加經費的部分我就那邊去把等於說讓多一點的經費容許我們的等於說公會參與國際事務我們會用這個方式去做調整所以你在明年說編很多但是你又把阿烈做強化國際事務所以你到底是要強化那個強化國際事務整體的經費沒有變只是裡面細項做調整而已"},{"start":10649.417,"end":10667.025,"text":"可是對我們來說因為我們看的就是你每一年同樣的一個項目到底是變多還是變很少那這個是看起來是變少很多嘛那為什麼今年你特別是要把一些但為什麼你今年要特別把這些東西再移到外面去"},{"start":10668.211,"end":10687.87,"text":"我沒有移到外面去對啊你的意思是說整個加起來是一樣嗎我的總總額比如說我是405萬那個總額數沒有變可能是我自己辦理的我自己的活動的量我把它稍微降低就我自辦的活動量跟業務費我把它降低一點那不然我把它補到別的地方去"},{"start":10691.113,"end":10719.278,"text":"蘇編20%蠻多的吧我只是那個小細項蘇編20%但是我總額400我都還沒有編都沒有編我們先保留好了好不好先保留可不可以我再跟委員再說好第60案保留第61案61案也是廖偉祥委員的提案也是關於他主要關切是印度移工希望他能夠實成的部分那跟委員報告大概來講現在目前為止我們現在跟印度都在做工作會議而且在未來是在一年之後"},{"start":10720.078,"end":10745.413,"text":"我想要講的事情是其實針對這個事情的MOU其實過去所有立法院所有的立委甚至包含執政黨立委都是看報才知道那這個部分到底要如何改進不然永遠都是我們背書但是我們也沒辦法確切的監督常常就是我們都看到報紙之前一下子說不簽然後外交部又說早就簽了這個到底我們要怎麼處理"},{"start":10747.027,"end":10766.116,"text":"是不是我們就是說把定期的會議能夠透過專的方式跟委員這邊做報告呢?就如果有一定的進度之下是不是改成主決議就是說如果說我們有任何的進度就是提到這邊來還是說定期用三個月六個月的方式"},{"start":10768.41,"end":10785.962,"text":"這裡我原本寫的就是說勞動部兩個月內向立法院社福未還委員會提出專案報告那可不可以不要刪減就提出決議那我用那我用凍結的然後等你們專案報告等委員會委員同意之後就可以解凍"},{"start":10788.277,"end":10805.527,"text":"那凍結的金額跟廖委員說明這事情當然我們現在政策上面我們會來推動可是針對時程上面的狀況這當然裡面會有一些包括跟這個相關的國家其實談判的一些"},{"start":10806.327,"end":10829.956,"text":"商談的一些進度的情況就是說我們在我們現在在往這個方向在推動沒有錯可是進度上面其實會有一些變數所以我覺得變數的會有不是全盤都能夠完全掌握在我們手上的情況對所以我我的建議是說我改用凍結的然後專案報告後然後委員會我們委員會的委員同意就可以解凍"},{"start":10831.94,"end":10842.224,"text":"公務及基金預算：一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查"},{"start":10853.408,"end":10868.769,"text":"其實要談的事情那我們現在當然能夠做的我們會盡力的趕快往前做可是因為是真的進度上面涉及到其他部分因為其實像這個會期也在未還文會其實也有針對印度移工的問題其實大家有來做專案報告嗎"},{"start":10870.02,"end":10893.051,"text":"所以我想說是說我們其實我也很願意請我們同仁在有進度相關的進度也許3個月一次來跟委員辦公室來做說明比方以3個月為3個月為一個一個一個週期來跟大家說明說其實不然這樣子好了剛剛你說不要動那麼多嘛好不好那我就改動20萬"},{"start":10895.519,"end":10906.469,"text":"這樣你可以嗎?改動部10萬然後也是專案報告委員會對但是時程上來講基本上你們不要因為2個月可能會有點趕那你要多久?3個月3個月是不是能夠改書面報告因為"},{"start":10914.737,"end":10928.482,"text":"你,因為這裡面就會牽涉到這個委員會有沒有辦法排案的時候。 不會啊,這個只要找委員一排也可以排很多,兩個月後可能就遇到,遇到過年的時間。 所以說要三個月呢?"},{"start":10928.482,"end":10932.043,"text":"三個月。 那就建議你們提書面報告。 那我們其實都,我們都會把相關,因為這是各方關心的事情啦。"},{"start":10958.549,"end":10960.171,"text":"這樣子還是沒有達到我們想要監督的這個"},{"start":10962.327,"end":10984.407,"text":"的狀態啊所以我覺得還是專案報告啊啊你時間你看你需要多久我們可以我們可以我們可以等啊那個會拉那個要人我想再跟你說明哦其實時間點真的跟會跟對方的國家其實有關係所以我們這個時間也不是真的是我自己說什麼時間就能什麼時間有進度的狀況所以目前是都沒有進度"},{"start":10984.787,"end":11005.11,"text":"不是沒有進度但是我的意思是說這個進度的狀況比方說怎麼樣談到什麼樣的進度所以其實我並沒有要求你說一定要壓到哪一個進度你推進到哪一個進度我才解凍我只是說你在哪一段時間做專案報告讓我們的委員會充分了解然後我們只要委員會同意就可以解凍"},{"start":11005.931,"end":11015.346,"text":"那時間你覺得什麼時候要專案報告我們可以時間也可以拉長委員這樣好不好可不可以我們提書面報告但是經委員會同意使得動之可以提書面報告可以"},{"start":11023.876,"end":11048.456,"text":"好那提書面報告但是等要經委員會的委員同意才可以解凍沒有問題好不好好好謝委員第61案就是提書面報告那經委員會同意之後時的動之61案62案62案是邱正軍委員是關心我們大陸的旅費的部分也謝謝委員已經同意改成主決議62案改主決議63案有要去嗎應該會去"},{"start":11050.558,"end":11056.025,"text":"跟委員報交有國際性的會議,如果說真的在大陸舉辦,我們一定得參加的話。 不會被統戰啦。 不會啦。"},{"start":11064.875,"end":11083.302,"text":"六十三案六十三案也是廖偉強提案是跟邱正興委員一樣都是大陸旅費的部分是不是懇請廖委員同意能夠一樣比照我們邱正興委員改成主角所以你們會去嗎跟委員報告就如果說只要是國際性的會議那因為只要是台灣是member的話只要會員一定都得參加這個東西我們不敢預測"},{"start":11085.603,"end":11086.664,"text":"那過去有嗎?"},{"start":11086.664,"end":11088.225,"text":"有。 在這一年以來?"},{"start":11088.225,"end":11090.126,"text":"去年沒有,但是明年有可能會有。 沒有啦,大型的國際會議"},{"start":11097.298,"end":11124.408,"text":"現在就已經明年的都沒辦法排出來了但是因為我不跟委員報告因為後年是大陸舉行大陸是APEC的會員國的主辦國對但是有可能他前一年就會開工作會議通常都會都會所以會有工作會議然後所以你們確定就是你們就因為我們是那個APEC的經濟體所以一定的部長會去嗎這個我說我說明一下我自己覺得關於這些相關的國際會議是"},{"start":11125.248,"end":11148.158,"text":"只要有明確能夠對於我們政策推進有幫助的對於我們政策推進有幫助的會議我們當然應該要去不管是在中國或是在其他地方但是照現在的重點的前提是這件事情真的我是擔心這樣就是大家要確保一下因為現在的這種氛圍不要害公務員去說被統戰到時候回來也很麻煩"},{"start":11150.499,"end":11174.595,"text":"但是沒關係既然你們確定有OK我只是要跟你講一下這件事如果要做相關的交流當然我們怎麼樣要守住我們自己的尊嚴跟主權這當然是一定要需要的事情但是我是說這些相關的會議要不要決定要不要去這是我們要判斷他對我們整體的政策會不會有幫助如果國際上面非常非常重要的會議他在中國開那我跟反正求證局我就跟他併案了嘛對不對就是63案逮組決議好謝謝委員"},{"start":11180.7,"end":11192.957,"text":"六四案也是蘇慶文官司大旅費的部分已經謝謝委員同意改成主決議我要問一下部長他這個我要問清楚因為你們都寫都寫不清不清"},{"start":11194.062,"end":11214.036,"text":"你們中國國藥業務裡面這個405萬3千塊是要強化國際業務 是所以跟國外他們談判外勞什麼都用算筆錢嗎 沒有還是你們有其他理會都藏在基金裡面跟委員報告不是因為基本上跟外勞移工業務會是在我們勞大數然後我們這邊比較負責像APEC或台紐之間這些的業務"},{"start":11217.791,"end":11237.53,"text":"所以你這個國際強化就是出國要入會400多萬沒有沒有沒有這裡面有業務費旅費大概只有大概將100多萬而已所以那個是出國旅費是專編的那你們是自己去開會而已阿要談判了還要另外談判是另外的東西"},{"start":11237.89,"end":11263,"text":"就是我跟委員報告就移工談判的業務組織業務會是我們在發展署的業務所以你們這樣整個勞動部你到底要編劃的理由我們根本都不曉得嘛不一樣啦我們都在看表面的你啊我跟委員報告齁因為出國旅費基本上行政組織總書都有匡列我們一定要有經費的預算而且要有項目才能夠去做編列而且你一定要有這些我們講對象國"},{"start":11264.381,"end":11284.019,"text":"像你說像APEC這是很明確那台紐這些都很明確基本上每個事項都很明確的所以你這個四百五百萬是要國際業務然後裡面的旅費是一百多萬然後大陸的是五萬一是這樣嘛那五萬一是因為可能明後年的APEC的先期會議你們要去參加"},{"start":11285.307,"end":11290.129,"text":"六十四案改組決議六十五案六十五案是陳清雯針對我們醫貿自由化的部分希望能夠凍結預算跟委員報告這個部分因為醫貿自由化大概來講"},{"start":11308.616,"end":11336.951,"text":"因為大概我們每年要固定要跟我們的勞僱團體做宣導而且現在我們政府也在推我們加入經濟區域化的經濟的組織像CPTPP這類的那我們都得去做跟我們的勞工朋友跟組團體做一下宣導我是要講說因為剛剛您講了許許多多您會做先驅的研究啊前瞻的研究等等所以其實你自己已經很厲害了在這個其他國家談判經濟合作議題上但是你經"},{"start":11338.252,"end":11365.049,"text":"比起來你今年度又縮編超過36%而且你還要委外那你為什麼要委外呢我這邊因為基本上我是請跟委員報告我們大概來講這個業務是因為零五分之大是專案計劃大概我們是委託一些我們的僱主團體幫我們辦這些宣導活動因為我們是跟他們一起合作要辦這些活動"},{"start":11366.07,"end":11394.771,"text":"沒有你勞動部的例行性的業務中就已經有在做與其他國家談判經濟合作議題上關於勞動專章的研究業務了因為你剛不斷的在強調你很擅長研究業務所以為什麼你還要在委外呢你講的委外是在這個區塊裡面區域經貿經濟化裡面沒有這個項目啊有啊執行上透過委外辦理啊"},{"start":11400.486,"end":11428.506,"text":"他還沒有找好資料所以我們就保留宋協商好了OK是不是先保留先保留一下我待會跟委員報告一下讓他再跟你們溝通啦對你直接宋協商其實在這麼多的案子其實你你也聽不到他們實際上的狀況就先保留等一下請他們再跟你說好等一下我們就溝通好謝謝委員65案保留66案66案委員是盧憲毅委員的提案是真的也是硬貓自由化裡面的然後也謝謝委員同意改成主決議66案改主決議67案"},{"start":11433.789,"end":11441.02,"text":"第16期案,謝謝王毓民委員關心我們產業公司的籌組率,謝謝委員同意並我們勞動官司的業務向下同意並案凍結100萬。"},{"start":11448.115,"end":11453.321,"text":"這個案子我講一下就是我們勞動部112年全國勞工公會組織率是32.9相較111年33.4%是不增反減所以你們這個勞動關係"},{"start":11465.655,"end":11478.969,"text":"做成這樣子我們工會的這個組織率是倒退的這個其實是真的要好好的去檢討跟改善那所以我提的這個案子那你們可以確定明年會成長嗎"},{"start":11480.428,"end":11499.199,"text":"跟委員報告,我們的工會數目都一直在增加。 那像我們的企業工會數在這兩三年從900多已經到增加了27。 整個職業工會增加了32。 那工會數有增加,但是工會參加的人確實有點下降,因為抽組率是用會員人數。"},{"start":11500.06,"end":11528.579,"text":"我們現在是為年輕人參加的比例是降低的醫院也是降低的所以你們宣導有問題還是我們現在就希望我們現在未來就是想辦法來跟公會合作吸引年輕人加入公會這一點也是我們要努力的方向當然一方面也可能有少子化的影響因為退休潮大部分都是比較48、49年次最近很多人退休他那時候人數比較龐大現在加入職場上的每一屆的畢業生"},{"start":11530.36,"end":11558.139,"text":"年輕人人數確實有少了好多萬人我們當然也是希望我們的工會繼續努力希望年輕人能夠加入工會這一點我們會來推動我想工會它是保障勞工權益很重要的一環所以這一塊不應該是它感覺像在示威就是組織率下降年輕人參與度也下降這個可能是你們勞動關係司你們的責任所以要好好的去改善"},{"start":11562.763,"end":11570.15,"text":"好那呃67案是病案凍結病案凍結勞動關係事業務電腦同學100萬100萬是那呃68697071727374這個好像都都是對是對那那個圖委員"},{"start":11581.261,"end":11581.962,"text":"六十八案改組決議六十九案"},{"start":11601.693,"end":11631.005,"text":"那針對這部分也希望勞動部還是要重視喔那針對工會的部分因為像桃園市長榮行情企業工會他這個發展真的很不正常那一個工會少數人把持一下子不招收會員一下子不收會費然後會員招收以後又沒有開這個會員大會然後開會用各種方式阻撓那這個會員大會都沒有辦法召開有心要開的沒辦法參加所以希望針對這個部分我們工會法"},{"start":11631.525,"end":11631.665,"text":"68案改組決議69案"},{"start":11661.637,"end":11686.773,"text":"第16屆也謝謝圖委員關心這個傳言的一些相關的權利義務那我們這我們也會寫書面報告特別針對這個傳言的相關的規範然後跟委員回報改成主決議謝謝委員69萬改主決議那我也說69我也說明一下那因為這個那時候跟何佩珊部長為了這個定期企業跟不定期企業的部分我們也有為了這個來爭執了很久"},{"start":11689.535,"end":11717.766,"text":"後來你們自己也知道法令這個解釋那也感謝中鋼運通昨天也跟勞資雙方也完成這個團體的協約就船員優先僱用還有恢復勞保加保的部分也達成共識那這個也是感謝我們洪部長在其實洪部長我有看到你在做立委的時候針對這個你也非常重視那雖然大家政黨不同可是也"},{"start":11719.066,"end":11734.012,"text":"終於大家斡旋之下也讓個事情圓滿落幕也保障了我們這些船員的權益啦那我覺得這也是很好典範以後大家朝野不同政黨那針對我們勞工船員這些權益我們還是可以好好的來爭取"},{"start":11736.572,"end":11754.243,"text":"六十九案改組決議七十案第七十案謝謝黃秀芳委員也關心我們公務及法院相關的規範這個案子我們有入職修正同時也是希望委員同意併六十七案並動一百萬勞動管理基金事業務"},{"start":11755.403,"end":11783.541,"text":"七十一案並動一百萬七十一案第七十一案謝謝發言委員關心我們這個霸凌的相關投書申訴機制我們六做文字修正也同意並六十七案凍結一百萬勞動工具師的業務七十一案並動一百萬七十二案七十二案也謝謝發言委員也是關心那個平台報酬透明化的相關的規範那也做文字修正也同意那個並六十七案凍結一百萬"},{"start":11785.129,"end":11798.766,"text":"並動一百萬七十三案。 七十三案謝謝林院長委員也是關心這個校園市場的霸凌的相關的一些規範我們做文資修正也同意並案凍結第六期案一百萬。"},{"start":11800.288,"end":11819.567,"text":"林委員我還是要講一下因為我們近來就接受到很多勞工他針對於他在職場霸凌那他跟我們的地方政府事上是申訴無門他覺得你自己去告民心法所以我們希望勞工局要受你申訴"},{"start":11821.008,"end":11838.529,"text":"今天當然這次發生的事實上是公務門可是過去長期以來本來比較多的就是我們在企業體上班的這些勞工們所以前段我們希望勞工深入無門的時候不敢或深入無門一定要能夠確定地方政府勞工局是要受理的"},{"start":11839.51,"end":11867.193,"text":"一旦勞工局接獲申訴之後以勞工匿名方式要求僱主真的要去落實執行我們的職場遭受到不法侵害的一些指引還有後端如果沒有辦法公平處理的時候是不是可以提出我們的訴訟輔助還有勞工如果遭受到報復的時候依勞之爭議來處理程序好處理希望能夠做到不能讓這次發生在公務門"},{"start":11868.494,"end":11888.1,"text":"那可是常年以來一直以來我覺得私人的企業部門就是對於我們的勞工們事實上沒有做善盡職責以外結果我們的第三部門也就是政府部門也不受理所以希望你們在這部分可以處理好來好謝謝委員之後我們後期都會來處理謝謝好74案病動100萬74案"},{"start":11892.702,"end":11906.818,"text":"議事長,謝謝王宗煦委員關心我們跟勞資關係的統計指標,要我們研議可行性有關團體學的覆蓋率,那這部分我們也同意,我們也會來做研議。那也謝謝委員同意殯案67案凍結勞動工具事業務100萬。"},{"start":11910.241,"end":11931.79,"text":"謝謝主席我這邊真的很希望因為團體協約覆蓋率這個是非常重要的指標IRO或是OECD都把它認為是如何能夠讓改善勞動關係很重要的指標所以就麻煩這邊能夠持續或者是真的要努力的把這個指標能夠做出來謝謝委員"},{"start":11935.233,"end":11946.009,"text":"七十四案病動一百萬七十五案七十五案謝謝楊耀文關心我們的公會的抽組率那有些委員同意了我們就是同案病案凍結六十七案一百萬"},{"start":11946.877,"end":11974.958,"text":"七十六案並動一百萬七十六案也謝謝陳昭之委員但也關心我們工會抽主率的下降那也謝謝他同意我們並六七案凍結一百萬七十六案並動一百萬七十七案謝謝邱正均委員也是關心我們的那個抽主率下降那我們也會來做檢討跟怎麼推動工會抽主率的協助措施然後也謝謝委員我們就是改主決議"},{"start":11976.031,"end":11985.118,"text":"77案改組決議78案78案也謝謝發言委員關心公會籌組的門檻那這邊我們會提出一個書面的報告那也謝謝委員同意併67案凍結100萬78案併凍100萬79案79案這個謝謝盧副縣議陸委員關心我們公會還是籌組率的下降那我們會提出書面報告那也同意併案凍結67案100萬79案併凍100萬80案"},{"start":12005.074,"end":12024.002,"text":"而是第80案曾經委員提案那你跟委員報告我們的預算雖然不是很多但是我們跟地方政府的合作不完全是要靠一定的預算我們有時候開視訊會議跟地方政府討論一些有關於一些工會勞資關係的事情"},{"start":12025.743,"end":12037.589,"text":"那有些大量解雇我們不會透過一些視訊會議來討論所以這些預算對我們來講我們不會好好來使用因為我看了去年你們的預算辦理成果你只有做了一場聯繫還有宣導會議"},{"start":12042.529,"end":12062.51,"text":"各位報告我們的預算都使用上我們都是辦理很多的法律上的一個處理跟座談跟討論那這其實很多項的項目我們都會有那不完全是開地方政府的聯席會議聯席會議的話我們常常一個電話或者有時候視訊上都可以大家來做討論"},{"start":12063.846,"end":12087.875,"text":"因為你的預算辦理成果上面沒有列出這些東西耶是是是我們因為每一項每一項的細項我們因為勞資關係的特殊是我們常常發生重大一些事項我們就要趕快來做一些邀請大家來開會那確實有時候我們就立刻就上線就來開那有時候這些費用我們可以用來做一些重大議題的討論因為現在很多工會法相關的題目需要"},{"start":12091.636,"end":12110.566,"text":"主要是在做這一部分的處理,謝謝,謝謝委員,那個同意並案並王玉敏委員的七案,好,謝謝,謝謝委員,八十跟王玉敏委員的六十七案,對,並案凍結一百,對,並案凍結一百,對,並案王玉敏委員六十七案,好,"},{"start":12114.335,"end":12116.917,"text":"公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算"},{"start":12130.984,"end":12132.685,"text":"好病到阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿"},{"start":12152.035,"end":12168.539,"text":"處理了也有改善那是不是請委員也可以同意我們併案凍結一百萬好謝謝委員我們併六十七案八十二案併凍一百萬八十三案八十三案曾經問委員關心我們特定協約的"},{"start":12171.698,"end":12174.939,"text":"公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管"},{"start":12191.343,"end":12217.337,"text":"那可是有時候可能是勞資雙方要到一定的狀況他才會簽那我每一年都會有非常多的一個項目可以提供給勞資雙方來簽團的協約不管是勞資雙方的一個協商的促進還是協商人才的培育等等所以這個部分的費用對我們來講很重要是不是請委員能夠同意我們還是"},{"start":12219.979,"end":12228.167,"text":"我可以同意改組決議可是我想申說我們國家的勞工這麼多然後你現在合併獎勵案件100件都不到"},{"start":12231.414,"end":12259.433,"text":"是,謝謝委員我們現在很努力的簽團體協約,因為團體協約他有的涉及到僱主跟工會之間要談一些比較長、冗長的一些協商那對工會來講也是需要學習那我們的團體協約的加速也跟委員報告我們增加的速度也慢慢有增加那我們當然知道這個團體協約加速要再更高了但是我們現在的加速四、五百件都有"},{"start":12259.893,"end":12272.76,"text":"那你覺得你明年可以做到幾件?我們希望我們的企業工會的團協好了我們都可以希望能夠保持到80家以上所以明年可以200嗎?部長說明一下"},{"start":12277.253,"end":12280.554,"text":"公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案件"},{"start":12300.222,"end":12327.324,"text":"有沒有意願然後甚至是有些條約有沒有累積到成熟的條件那但是這部分我會非常非常重視因為就像大家現在對於低薪的問題那我們都希望假設未來可以透過更多的團協然後有更好的優於包括法規的這個薪資上面的約定我其實是非常希望可是我們實在是不容易一下子說出說一定會是多少因為這也牽涉到勞資上面的意願"},{"start":12327.824,"end":12352.801,"text":"因為我剛上網查了一下河沛山部長還有沈平均部長他們一年大概平均都是80到90但是您剛又說你有特別的重視所以我也希望您可以大概給自己設定一個目標我真的都希望我們能夠一直逐年的上升我希望可是因為這個事情他的不是掌握在我自己完全手上的因素比較多"},{"start":12353.956,"end":12368.686,"text":"因為這個會牽涉到工會跟資方他們對簽團協的意願可是我是深的希望說我們一年可以比一年多但是你因為你已經特別重視了所以你還是覺得你可以掌握的東西不多"},{"start":12369.926,"end":12395.436,"text":"我因為這個部分我沒有辦法去強迫或者是說我是用一種指令式的說大家都來簽他也不是這個也不是這個狀況但我們會盡力的去促成讓簽團協有更好的條件這是我們可以來做那你給自己設定多少目標嗎當然希望一年當然都希望能夠逐年增加這當然是我自己的希望所以你要比他們兩個做得更好好不好我也會更努力在這件事情上啦"},{"start":12395.916,"end":12420.827,"text":"那等一下我再跟您弄個主決議好是謝謝委員好83案改組決議84案好84案我們謝謝陳先生關心我們的調解的訓練也跟委員報告我們現在線上的調解人大概有3到3、400個那我們每一年大概訓練大概100多到200多差不多每一個人每兩年都會來受訓"},{"start":12422.929,"end":12444.02,"text":"現在的很多地方政府他也都在辦調解人的訓練所以我們都有在辦所以這個部分可不可以容許我們繼續努力我是要提出來2023年只有辦理這個勞資爭議調解人訓練一個場次業務研習三個場次而且全部加起來是連150人都不到"},{"start":12447.186,"end":12457.412,"text":"這個人數對比起全國的勞工人數是不是差太多了而且上次洪部長你有說你也要去幫忙協調交通部結果你有去嗎"},{"start":12461.601,"end":12485.442,"text":"中華電信啊你記得嗎有有有對對對你可以講一下結果是什麼嗎跟委員報告他們針對調薪有達到共識那至於延後退休的部分他們會因為那個設計比較複雜他們未來會繼續來協商那剛剛部長有提到就是說我們都有關心我有跟工會理事長也溝通了然後也跟交通部都有溝通"},{"start":12486.042,"end":12497.828,"text":"他們那時候表示因為中華電信公司是一個上市櫃的公司他們公司內部治理他們自己在協商還不至於說我們先主動進去來協商所以他們後來就很快就協商完成了"},{"start":12498.581,"end":12527.25,"text":"所以你們有用到你們的勞資爭議調解人的訓練嗎?跟委員報告勞資爭議調解人主要就是說勞工如果有勞資爭議他會向地方政府申請我們一年大概有2萬多間勞資爭議那我們按照勞資爭議處理法有個叫法定的調解人才能夠來做調解那法定調解人全台灣的現在通過了只有600多位真正有在線上調解的大概300到400所以這三四百位就是我們每一兩年就會請他一定要來上課"},{"start":12528.61,"end":12553.411,"text":"那我看起來好像146人不是很多但是差不多就是我們在線上調解的人都會來你的意思是說你目前只有300到400人對所以這300到400人每年大概就是150個人來上課對差不多就兩年我們希望他兩年就來上一次那地方政府也有辦那跟委員報告我們都有要求他一定每兩年都要回流多少時數沒有這個時數他就不可以再做調解人"},{"start":12554.332,"end":12573.827,"text":"所以調解人是在法定的資格不是任何人可以做的也不是說我們隨便去受訓練任何人就可以來做勞資正義的調解那他如果不來受訓抱歉他就不能繼續做調解業務那這個部分那我就改病案好了好病那個67王玉敏委員好病案終結一百謝謝委員"},{"start":12574.127,"end":12577.273,"text":"八十四案病動一百萬八十五案"},{"start":12585.993,"end":1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這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們一定會做檢討報告。 這部分我們"},{"start":12707.502,"end":12726.31,"text":"現在你們勞動部說對離線權不宜納入現行的法規制度內但是然後原因是因為行業樣態太多元不宜一刀切但是其實有這個勞基法84之一責任制條款可以供參考是不是可以進一步推動說所謂的正面表列"},{"start":12727.69,"end":12755.602,"text":"對不對那其實這個離線權的提案提的倡議已經很久了那勞動部其實也在推輔導及推動工作與生活平衡這項政策那如果沒有繼續的推動這個離線權的話那工作跟生活要如何平衡啊那這部分我想就像你說的你們要檢討我們檢討是我們會提一個書面報告書面報告然後也是經委員會的委員同意是然後再解凍是"},{"start":12757.383,"end":12785.761,"text":"好,OK。 那88案並動1百萬。 8989案。 對。89案楊耀偉、謝楊耀偉關心我們的預算的執行也同意我們併案動結六期案1百萬。 89案並動1百萬。90案。 90案劉建國、劉委員關心我們這個因貿易自由化相關的一個預算的執行。跟我委員報告我們這一點錢我們都有做很多的那個"},{"start":12787.322,"end":12805.092,"text":"特別是容易受影響最會影響的產業的工會我們跟他合作然後讓他們跟他的會員上課主要是說我們也是希望讓大家知道說貿易自由化是一條路走下去可能對大家的競爭力或者對勞工朋友的一些工作會有一些影響"},{"start":12805.932,"end":12823.424,"text":"那辦理狀況也不錯那我們另外還有一筆我們是到學校去跟老師中職老師我們希望讓老師們啊高中老師回去到教堂跟學生講自由化並不可怕但是還要準備在治療上所以這個案子呢是不是也請我們能夠同意我們兵的時間凍結100萬好謝委員"},{"start":12827.276,"end":12850.949,"text":"九十案並動一百萬九十一案九十一案謝謝陳基金委員關心也是因貿易自由化的預算那這部分也謝謝委員同意我們改組決議九十一案改組決議是是嗎對改組決議好九十一案改組決議好第九十二案第九十二案謝謝盧縣議盧委員那關心因貿易自由化這部分那也同意改組決議"},{"start":12852.162,"end":12855.345,"text":"九十二案改組決議那剛剛那個勞動關係業務並動的部分我重複一次你們再確認這個67案、70案、71案、72案、73案、74案、75案、76案、78案、79案、80案、82案、84案、85案、88案、89案、90案並動並案凍結勞動關係業務100萬"},{"start":12881.916,"end":12884.138,"text":"公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管"},{"start":12908.882,"end":12911.169,"text":"9393939393"},{"start":12914.765,"end":12938.103,"text":"請問三案是楊耀委員就是關心勞保有一個個案勞工因為因病離世沒有辦法領取一次級負資格的那個在死亡的時候不具勞保的身份這跟委員辦案是溝通是同意改成主決議也已經簽署了好楊委員對這是一個個案而已嗎還是對是個個案"},{"start":12940.592,"end":12942.258,"text":"這是保險司的業務要請保險司來說明"},{"start":12947.886,"end":12974.515,"text":"這是一個個案就是說有人是年資很長但是他退保了那如果是在保險有效期間死亡我們就給死亡給付嘛但是而且我們為了增加我們被保險給付的權益我們在有效中發生的疾病在退保後一年內死亡我們也給那另外就是說他如果年資超過了15年"},{"start":12975.675,"end":12990.733,"text":"那他符合我老年級戶一次的條件雖然來不及領老年級戶死亡了我們也是給醫屬其實我的老年死亡級戶是很寬的比較起國保要在有效中他沒有退保後一年內或者是公保都是比較鬆的"},{"start":12991.354,"end":13016.746,"text":"那這個案子剛好他就退保後才死亡然後他又沒有滿15年老年一次條件然後他的死亡又不是在有效中發生的病在退保後一年內死亡所以他就會都領不到那所以這個保險就是這樣我當然是已經同意改組決議不過我不大相信這是一個個案"},{"start":13018.307,"end":13031.273,"text":"他是有一個個案有個案浮現出來啦相同的情形我不相信就只有這一件好不好所以我們還是加強宣導把應該照顧勞動的部分還是要把它落實好不好謝謝委員"},{"start":13038.336,"end":13056.408,"text":"9393939393939393939393939393"},{"start":13057.011,"end":13086.144,"text":"同意改成主決議然後也已經簽署了王委員沒問題改主決議好94案改主決議95案95案那個王也是王振旭委員的提案他關心在印尼投資的部分的企業恐怕會有違反當地的一些勞動法令也希望我們基金運用局特別去注意在投資的時候能夠重視勞動的權益這個案子委員已經改主決議也已經簽署"},{"start":13087.464,"end":13112.917,"text":"對不起這邊我再確認一下就是我們有接受到這個財團法人環境權基金會他是一個民團他很關心跨國的一些企業有沒有違反當地在勞動權或者是對於勞動朋友造成的影響他們有發現在印尼的台商的企業跟人權報告裡面的確有相關的事情發生"},{"start":13113.917,"end":13126.831,"text":"所以他們很希望尤其有一些透過勞動基金運用的這些企業如果是在比如說這個案子在印尼有發生類似的狀況的話那我們應該要"},{"start":13129.614,"end":13158.232,"text":"希望能夠去了解甚至去釐清或者是做後面後續的處理這方面本來是要凍結10萬元就是希望能夠有一個比較完整的了解或者是確認當地的這些問題是我們也要去關心的部分那也會建議說能不能跟這個民團透過貴單位去跟他們做一些了解讓我們在看到報告的時候可以更完整"},{"start":13159.273,"end":13172.923,"text":"所以如果要改正主決意的話 那我們可以把這個書面報告能夠做得完整讓我們來參考 是改主決意我們會提書面報告 95案改主決意然後提書面報告 96案"},{"start":13174.594,"end":13193.143,"text":"九十六案劉建國委員他先保留好九十六案保留好九十七案"},{"start":13195.243,"end":13212.726,"text":"97案是陳慶輝委員他關心那個職工福利的部分也希望我們能夠多考量一下這個就這樣推廣職工福利那同意改為凍結五萬元一千數97案號凍結五萬元97、98、99都是我的那97、98、99都已經改主決議而且改凍結數了"},{"start":13222.381,"end":13228.744,"text":"97改動5萬元98改主決是1999也是凍結20萬元希望能夠同委員也同意並動是並動是第100案99跟100是同樣的科目同一個那邊是並動99是動20萬同意並動並100案"},{"start":13252.883,"end":13260.491,"text":"一百案是劉委員來的,等一下劉委員你96案要先保留還是?"},{"start":13267.765,"end":13272.311,"text":"那個不是要改組決議?對,96案。 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林委員我這邊還是要說一下第一個本來就有新聞事件再加上我們辦公室受理了好幾起的這樣的一個案子就是說50歲、55歲就被逼退甚至用優退作為你不得拒絕的理由事實上我沒有想要離開這個職場可是沒有辦法"},{"start":17105.322,"end":17134.185,"text":"那這樣的狀況底下感覺現在是拿到很多可是它整個的你55歲之後你要再去找其他的工作事實上是不容易的所以才會希望說這個我諮詢也有一兩次了可是始終還是沒有得到比較好的答案說是不是可以去了解而不是你們現在到時候我也希望你們報告能夠交得很清楚因為有時候勞工礙於年齡壓力就求職不易有很多的理由"},{"start":17134.773,"end":17136.313,"text":"公務及基金預算書案公務及基金預算書案公務及基金預算書案"},{"start":17163.485,"end":17163.906,"text":"謝謝委員 這個報告我們會盡量來周延"},{"start":17185.93,"end":17211.73,"text":"好那108案就是併動50萬109案109案的部分是委員王委員這邊有關心到空服員公會的這些申訴競爲歧視庫裝的這個事情那其實我們大概在處理上面已經有第一時間找各國籍航空來去做相關的處理那包括星宇航空今年的9月大概就已經可以提供庫裝了"},{"start":17213.732,"end":17231.663,"text":"給勞工選擇那大一點的航空公司像華航利榮大概明年的三四月也都可以提供庫裝讓他的員工來做選擇那這個部分後續還有包括過服役的相關的促進的指引的部分我們也會來進行那感謝委員已經有簽字同意可以做並動50萬109案並動50萬110案"},{"start":17239.792,"end":17253.788,"text":"110案是陳委員這邊有提到有關勞動基準諮詢會的這個部分希望增加多一些的對話的機制那這個我們所謂的勞動基準諮詢會如果有提案的話都應"},{"start":17254.469,"end":17271.039,"text":"都應該要先做一些勞資的協議那包括如果他要評估34條36條的這些例外特殊規定的時候都要從目的事業主管機關去會商勞資雙方的意見那認為有必要評估了以後再送到我們勞動部來做後續勞動基準諮詢會的一些討論"},{"start":17275.442,"end":17288.053,"text":"那所以在這個部分的話是不是可以爭取到委員可以同意說修改科目為勞動條件及就業平等業務然後可以做一些並動然後我們會來提報書面的改善報告"},{"start":17289.102,"end":17316.532,"text":"陳委員好我也會想要聽一下就是部長要怎麼承諾明年度在社會對話的作業上能夠提升尤其是勞基法修法因為我們有看到這兩次的新聞事件其實您是沒有出席有人在跟你喊話但是你兩樣都沒有出席的這樣子要如何去對我們部裡面的同仁示範您有在做社會對話的作業上提升呢"},{"start":17324.696,"end":17338.094,"text":"嗯我想其實勞基法的修法其實這個其實每一次答案都是非常非常重大的這個應該都是非常非常重大的修法那到底勞基法接下來要不要修這個問題"},{"start":17339.856,"end":17362.882,"text":"我自己覺得這都是一定是非常非常非常審慎的事情那這個審慎的前面不管是勞方工會或者是資方我想其實相關的聲音我們其實絕對會都會來做收集對這個這個是幾乎是一定的啦因為在這麼重大的社會議題裡面你如果不掌握如果不去掌握各方的各種重要的意見的話"},{"start":17364.022,"end":17387.332,"text":"我想這個社會很難接受我希望未來部長您在這些社會對話的現場如果有機會的話您可以出現一下會比較好其實我我沒有我我其實不會迴避這些社會對話比方說像這幾天大家在處理像中運的這個勞資的爭議的問題其實我當然我們都是我自己就出席嗎我自己就參與"},{"start":17388.356,"end":17397.301,"text":"好那我們等一下我等一下跟跟他們處理和保留好110案保留111案"},{"start":17400.09,"end":17423.599,"text":"111案是廖委員這邊那廖委員這邊是因為勞動條件及就業平等的預算當然委員關心的是職安署相關的業務以及發展署落實的情形是有關這個霸凌職務不法侵害的相關預防計劃的部分那職安署其實有會同新北已經有之前有去做過一些勞檢那後面也有"},{"start":17424.619,"end":17448.273,"text":"也有相關訂定的一些輔導的一個計畫大概從11月25日開始到這個月的18日會完結那這個部分的話因為是勞動條件及就業平等的業務的計畫而預算是不是可以向委員爭取保留說爭取說是併動50萬然後我們後面提書面報告做完整說明"},{"start":17454.054,"end":17476.039,"text":"一百一十二案是陳委員的案子那有關橋外生國際生產學合作的這個部分那其實發展署也都有跟教育部共同建立一個機制會來做查核那如果是有涉及到違反法令的部分還會會同治安署來下去做一些檢查那是不是可以爭取說這個預算的"},{"start":17477.779,"end":17482.13,"text":"科目可以更改為整個勞動條件及就業平等的業務然後並動50萬我們會提書面報告說明"},{"start":17486.095,"end":17507.648,"text":"我會提出這個是因為最近的新聞事件真的很多就這些國際學生來臺灣結果因為產學合作建教合作等等的勞動爭議那其中也部分包括我國的學生族群但是因為這些學生他們真的不斷的在反應被壓榨等等的事情所以我希望"},{"start":17508.969,"end":17532.668,"text":"你可以怎麼樣做來做一個報告來跟我們呈現說你之後要怎麼加強公使還有特別保護法的法制因為我們到教育部那邊去質詢可是其實教育部就全部都推給勞動部好沒關係如果教育部說不是他們的需要勞檢我們一定會請我們治安署幫忙好那我們保留"},{"start":17533.902,"end":17549.606,"text":"好,112案保留,113案廖委員不在齁,我們先保留好,114案嗯,114案我先跟王明委員的106案並案因為我們倆的理由是一樣的,我在這邊就不重複說了106案保留協商對,保留送協商"},{"start":17560.117,"end":17569.663,"text":"一百一十四就保留送協商一百一十五廖委員不在我們就先保留一百一十六"},{"start":17571.587,"end":17596.081,"text":"116案是留委員這邊有提案關心彈性運營留職停薪這邊目前感覺事辦的成效好像加速沒有很多希望督促我們再來做一些改善那我們是不是可以拜託委員這邊我們會來做在今年的年底ending以後會在明年初來做焦點座談把問題理解清楚一點"},{"start":17596.701,"end":17619.009,"text":"然後看看勞工到底問題需求在哪裡那雇主的困難點在哪裡我們再把那些焦點抓出來那目前大概之前其中報告有發現可能是他們需要的是單點的假或者是要請假的彈性更多他不見得是一種像留職停薪那樣的一個長一段時間的那個概念"},{"start":17619.449,"end":17639.374,"text":"目前會來請這種短期的好像他需求是是更短期的那個點狀的這個問題所以這個目前是我們在其中報告有發現的這個情況那下一次在期末報告整個ending以後我們是把希望把相關的問題整理出來更具體一點然後那個因為黃部長有說他這個親職價這一塊他會很關心他整體來做盤點"},{"start":17643.055,"end":17652.724,"text":"那提出一個整套的一個整體性的一些一些概念和一些方案那是不是可以爭取說修改科目為勞動條件及就業評等業務然後並且並動50萬?"},{"start":17652.724,"end":17652.744,"text":"劉委員"},{"start":17660.121,"end":17662.844,"text":"我提出來這是不是一個事實嗎?"},{"start":17662.844,"end":17665.206,"text":"是是嗎?"},{"start":17665.206,"end":17682.102,"text":"是已經是一個事實了你們的其中到期末什麼時候做出來?期末的因為我們到12月底所有的公司的話就會事辦結束那我們會再把相關的公司再找過來應該在明年的"},{"start":17682.782,"end":17710.587,"text":"一月二月因為過年前他們比較忙一點大概說第一季裡面會完成這個期末的這個整個焦點座談和把相關的問題整理出來其中到期末又經歷多少時間大概三個多月三個多月的時間本來是在九月多的時候做其中的一些所以我們這個事辦計畫就是成如那個所講的就是有將近七成六的公司都掛零這是事實"},{"start":17711.347,"end":17732.067,"text":"後來的話有增加一點有增加一些1.4增加7.6加0.1後來的話應該有再增加到有比較多的加數和他的人數有實施的這個情況增加多少嗎?發現嗎?你是7成越多掛零你現在是增加7.7也掛零還是變成7.5掛零"},{"start":17737.012,"end":17760.411,"text":"報告委員其實也增加沒有很多多增加了一兩家是我們從後台資料先看的但是我們大概會在在整個結束以後我們還是找出來是說你為什麼不實施或是員工為什麼不申請只會請他來講清楚都到底他們的點會卡在哪裡那我們一起把那個點找出來再看看後面怎麼樣去調那個未來要處理的方向"},{"start":17761.072,"end":17768.373,"text":"不是,我可能要提一點啦齁,這個也給部長、給各機關所長做參考。基本上我們都會去支持事辦計畫。"},{"start":17771.26,"end":17794.062,"text":"但是示範計畫沒有因為它是示範計畫就不用考核嘛應該是這麼說嘛對不對那你如果期中的時候就已經很清楚知道有7x6的加數都掛零那你要到期末的時候你跟我講之後再增加一兩加這個顯然這種示範計畫就期中你就該結束了你不需要到期末了"},{"start":17795.828,"end":17816.033,"text":"不然你的事辦計畫的定義是什麼?邏輯是什麼?範圍是什麼?你要事辦嘛,對不對?你開始一直到期中是這樣的一個效益,然後期中鍋已經有人點出來了,那你到期末還是這樣的效益,這個事辦計畫有需要再走下去嗎?"},{"start":17816.993,"end":17845.998,"text":"呃因為這個跟委員報告因為時程他確實很短大概從今年的5月開始一直到年底所以大概因為現在距離到ending的時間年底也很近了啦齁那我知道委員提案的時間當然比較早一點那現在因為時間點已經也到年底了我們快要結束了這個事情我們把它整體的把這個問題釐清清楚我們會很很詳細的把相關的大家需求的問題點找出來再來"},{"start":17846.938,"end":17859.591,"text":"談點說後面的話用什麼樣的方式什麼樣的政策或者說什麼樣的法律的修正看是不是能夠切合回來我們大家勞資雙方都可以接受的那個需求點"},{"start":17862.338,"end":17884.638,"text":"因為我不曉得為什麼你們提這個示範計畫,然後反而在執行上有這樣的落差啦,這個蠻大的落差嘛,對不對?然後雖然時間很短我知道,但是既然提這個示範計畫當然就希望未來它可行的一個政策,然後我們再去推動嘛,那顯然這樣是夭折嘛。"},{"start":17886.26,"end":17903.659,"text":"我先跟委員報告因為我剛剛一開始有說明說我們大概在期中計畫的時候發現說大家把這些使用的話是拿來處理單點的那個需求所以可能有一天的有兩天的公司就放開給他選他也是來申請"},{"start":17904.58,"end":17930.325,"text":"那這個一天兩天的後來也有一些公司講他有自己員工發現說一天兩天他就乾脆不要申請留庭他因為公司有的會來參加這個他又是會給假給大方一點的這些事業單位他也許就有一些三天五天的家庭照顧假是有薪的又或者其他有幼兒照顧假他們自己有一些憂鬱法令的假所以當他員工有這個需求的時候他先一天兩天我就請那個假就好啦"},{"start":17930.945,"end":17959.054,"text":"他就不用再跑到繞一圈到劉執庭新再回來那當初在大家這個劉執庭新縮短的時候大家其實這個概念在想的是那個沒有錢嘛照顧沒有錢的問題看看能不能從劉庭的那邊去現在有的八成的這個部分來去cover一些但是有一些公司他已經本身有比較優厚的他的單點的他就這樣走處理了那我們這個過程中確實有發現這樣的情況是那個需求面和他的那個"},{"start":17960.694,"end":17980.063,"text":"實際上提供的東西來講有一些落差所以未來在設計制度上面要怎麼思考這個部分是從流停這邊來處理還是整體的架來處理我們部長說會來整體的其實今天會有這個事辦流停也是當初洪部長在當立委的時候質詢的時候才出來有這個東西這個主席我可以講話一下"},{"start":17985.825,"end":18012.935,"text":"提案人可不可以我也來講一下這個事辦計畫注定要失敗因為一開始就沒有人主動要參加而你去找來參加實驗的都是那個輪三班制的很多國營事業單位輪三班制輪三班制的人員工一個蘿蔔一個坑本來你叫他要去辦這個事辦計畫就注定要失敗了三班制過去的勞基法修法的爭議最困難就是輪班制的人力不足嘛"},{"start":18013.715,"end":18027.728,"text":"所以你這個計畫一開始就跟你講我們就跟你講你現在回頭來說原來勞工需要的是單點單日你在示範計畫的時候我就跟你講要以一天或半天為單位你現在說要至少要五天"},{"start":18028.889,"end":18049.625,"text":"一個蘿蔔一個坑三班制都已經很困難了你一次叫他請五天那代班的人力要去哪裡長出來所以這個你的事辦計劃當初我們就跟你溝通了這本來就我們一直在民間團體民間組織我們一直托盟一直在呼籲一直呼籲把你的這個育嬰留庭假"},{"start":18050.185,"end":18074.708,"text":"天數不變然後那個給付也不用雇主去給付把它更彈性化然後而且年齡要放寬到12歲8歲10歲都有結果你就不要你通通都叫示範計畫也不願意照民間的版本去示範出來然後看他的彈性到底有沒有可行結果你一意孤行那注定到的是失敗啊"},{"start":18075.748,"end":18093.548,"text":"那個我補充好第一個回應幾位委員好這個我想談心價值示範的問題在未還委員會我想很多人都非常非常關心了好那尤其是那時候示範計劃提出來的時候其實很多人也都指教過第一個這個數據出來我其實當然非常不滿意了"},{"start":18095.11,"end":18106.922,"text":"部長他本來就是做一個故意會失敗的計畫啦我們都知道故意你一個方案一定會失敗然後告訴大家說彈性運營價不可行他們當時就是這樣先這個預設的立場要讓他失敗當然不可行啊"},{"start":18114.209,"end":18141.697,"text":"就是就目前這個事辦計劃按照目前這個數據來看勢必是需要徹底檢討的甚至這裡面可能很多一開始在這個設計這個事辦計劃一些原初的框架的構想我覺得恐怕都是需要重新再想過的所以我認為這件事情我想很多委員都非常非常重視尤其是在照顧不離職的這個目標之下那我們會來徹底檢討這件事情也需要徹底檢討這件事情"},{"start":18142.325,"end":18168.044,"text":"部長你說徹底檢討太簡單了徹底檢討四個字那要怎麼檢討你覺得方向是怎麼樣會有一個新的示範計畫嗎新的示範計畫還是直接我們就也不用了大家討論一下覺得民間托盟的版本概念也很不錯那企業主可能當然也覺得很好啊搞不好他們沒有反對的聲音啊你不要那麼長五天你搞不好一天那你的這個代理人的問題反而比較小欸"},{"start":18168.564,"end":18195.741,"text":"那個我自己認為勢必這個計劃可以要讓這個運價的彈性的程度要再更高能夠請的更靈活因為這大概是一定是需要去調整的方向而不是原本的那樣子的這個時間的長短我認為至少這個部分是勢必需要調整更靈活更靈活的更靈活的我的意思是說那你在執行面上你覺得還會再有一個事辦計劃嗎"},{"start":18197.442,"end":18222.46,"text":"我跟委員說明我確實我們可能要在一些細的資料來做一輪的檢討才比較能夠判斷是不是要再有一個比較不一樣的事辦計劃還是真的能夠直接規劃就上路因為直接規劃就上路確實是涉及到的因為少子化的問題很嚴重龍年龍年的人口出生的人數比虎年還要更少大家都知道國安危機已經真的來了"},{"start":18223.681,"end":18248.734,"text":"所以國家要怎麼做做到友善人家不是生小孩也不是給錢而已要陪伴而陪伴最關鍵的父母受雇者就是你的業務主管對啊你都知道但我們不能拖但我的意思是說你都知道問題但我們不能再拖下去你還再拖一年再試辦再拖一年再試辦再拖一年再研議再拖一年再試辦再拖一年"},{"start":18249.935,"end":18252.299,"text":"這個反...我也不希望是這樣子這個我們現在趕快來當我們是帕會、救會的時候"},{"start":18258.907,"end":18281.616,"text":"王委員 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這個也是說要部長你可能要需要專業的人力來 我們的確要想到部主每天都要扣你一天薪兩天薪 這樣他要怎麼算會算 還算八年 這八年要怎麼累積 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阿誰會出來?"},{"start":18798.856,"end":18800.237,"text":"流產的?"},{"start":18800.237,"end":18802.018,"text":"阿就沒有?"},{"start":18802.018,"end":18804.439,"text":"那個,李委員這樣好不好?"},{"start":18804.439,"end":18814.665,"text":"我,因為這些,確實這些相關的價都是在照顧不抵值的這個大的框架下。 所以我其實也已經要求業務單位這恐怕這些不同的價,包括彈性運價,包括剛剛講到說這個流產價。"},{"start":18818.507,"end":18840.795,"text":"然後甚至也有講到這個賠產減價等等等這些其實都是在照顧不離職的這個範圍裡面我是認為這些價值確實這些名目是需要有一個綜合性的思考可能沒有辦法都只是單點單點的來考慮這我已經跟我們業務單位說了所以我是希望說還是爭取說這部分讓我們就是希望凍結啦那剛才留言說10萬減10萬"},{"start":18847.322,"end":18866.593,"text":"這象徵性10萬好啦好不好好那這10萬可是我們希望是說可以我們讓一個我們可以來跟委員談一個比較適當的凍結凍凍結的額度那我們會要拿出來一個比較整體的方案這樣好不好所以是要先保留嗎好保保留讓我們再跟委員再討論一下這個額度有這麼大的困難嗎8000多萬凍86008600我凍結600啊"},{"start":18873.8,"end":18880.065,"text":"不啦就是說勞工的母性保護很重要因為這個跟價無關的這個是雖然是價我講的有新流產價可不可以動200啦200不行啦"},{"start":18888.482,"end":18906.523,"text":"有心留產嫁雖然是嫁但是他為什麼需要產嫁他的概念基本上其實是一個母性的保護留產的女生也需要做月做嫁來你知道嗎?他的子宮也需要修養你知道嗎?然後你說你請釋嫁就好了釋嫁不太漂亮你知道嗎?"},{"start":18909.426,"end":18910.867,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算．一、繼續審查勞動部主管預算。"},{"start":18931.001,"end":18933.784,"text":"117案楊耀委員他已經有簽字同意修改科目為勞動條件及就業平等業務並動50萬"},{"start":18950.285,"end":18966.515,"text":"好118案118案是呃曾曾經會委員這邊他已經有同意呃有簽字同意可以呃修改那個相關的科目啊並動100萬提書面報告好118案並動100萬哈119那個處分委員剛剛有說先保留了是哈110"},{"start":18976.044,"end":18979.947,"text":"119案先保留120案月勤委員不在120案也先保留120案也先保留120案"},{"start":19002.21,"end":19026.282,"text":"123案保留月勤委員不在那124案 報告主席那個剛才那幾個案子黃范雲委員那邊他有同意說可以 全部都有同意了嗎先保留好了啦沒有嗎那就先保留啦好不好"},{"start":19030.966,"end":19043.372,"text":"紙本有有送嗎要送進來沒有先保留了沒有送進來就先保留了124案124案陳委員也是關心那個124王委員也是病棟然後病棟"},{"start":19051.314,"end":19079.709,"text":"就一起啦一起好不好一起有簽了126案沒有124案是那個王委員已經有簽併動是併動50萬那是相關的有關於彈性暈價的部分都一起保留再做最後處理好好好那就那個相關的就全部都保留好不好等你們看要動多少再一併處理那124案也先保留"},{"start":19081.463,"end":19106.192,"text":"一百二十五一百二十五萬一百二十五萬那個料委員這邊的話是關關心的是性騷擾的這個相關的一些案子能夠更強化相關的保障我們是不是建議希望說料委員這邊可以修改科目然後並當50萬提出面報告要委員"},{"start":19112.28,"end":19141.66,"text":"呃,我覺得還是照我原本的哦,凍結那等呃,提出專案報告經同意後再使得凍資啊呃,報告委員哦,因為這樣子這一支原來呃,委員是凍在那個我們的分支計劃向下分支計劃向下那個部分的業務費是143萬嗯那這個是有關就業平等促進的這些這個相關業務那會凍的就在單支小支的裡面啊"},{"start":19142.04,"end":19153.986,"text":"那是不是可以說同意修改科目到大致的這邊那因為原來委員動的數字也沒有那麼多是不是可以把它調成併動是50萬那提書面報告"},{"start":19158.342,"end":19176.588,"text":"可以嗎?廖委員我是希望能夠爭取這個動的項目再大一點的項目當然這個是我們還是會做啦但是我們希望能夠調到一個大一點的項目可不可以?這樣子因為委員的原來提案是那個143萬的5%嘛5%的話只有7萬塊錢那我們事實上說可以把它動到項目大一點整個勞動條件及就業平等這個項目裡面然後並當是50萬的處理好可以"},{"start":19184.89,"end":19203.474,"text":"那但是還是一樣要這個我們會提報告提出書面報告但是要經委員會同意是是一定的好125案並動50126126案的話楊耀委員的提案他同意並案處理那他同意並動50萬元126案並動50萬好127案"},{"start":19211.075,"end":19219.112,"text":"一百二十七萬的部分那陳委員這邊有同意改組決議有簽字一百二十七萬改組決議"},{"start":19221.909,"end":19238.475,"text":"128案128案是發言委員的那就先保留129案129案的話是邱委員的部分他關心的也是性騷擾的相關那他已經說明以後委員有簽字同意修改科目並動50萬129案並動50萬130案"},{"start":19245.526,"end":19269.861,"text":"來130案是我的案子130案對是王玉敏王委員關心這個職安法要納入職場霸凌凍結勞動法務100萬對這個案子我覺得很關鍵主要是我在質詢的時候部長也有允諾你說下個會期一定會送進來那時候我的提案就是你們一定下個會期要送進來"},{"start":19270.822,"end":19286.529,"text":"而且未完會開始啟動審查之後就代表你們完成你們已經把這個案子完成所以他就可以解凍我的條件就是這樣我應該承諾的是說在下個會期我會提出我們會提出這個版本"},{"start":19287.708,"end":19304.204,"text":"不是吧,送進來委員會。 那我要求是要送進來委員會。 你這樣拖太久了,部長。 我想跟你說明,其實現在確實有一些各方不同的意見。 我要說明的事情是說,比方說,如果最後是決定說要修專章,那比較簡單。"},{"start":19305.925,"end":19332.336,"text":"但如果是要修專法確實涉及到的層面真的比較大那確實不同的專業界有不同在這方面不同的意見我們現在還在彙整大家這個修法的意見可是如果是要修專法真的是他他的這個比較大所以這是為什麼然後甚至可能會涉及到一些其他部會的一些業務那這是為什麼希望能夠多給我們一點點時間空間的原因是在這個地方"},{"start":19332.856,"end":19357.018,"text":"部長我是建議你這件事情因為現在大家都在關注那也不只是您這邊現在這個衛福部也鬧得沸沸揚揚他們的懲處比你們輕很多大家都質疑這個整個的標準不一對於霸凌的界定這個SOP整個都是不清楚的所以我真的建議你這件事情只能快不能慢這個已經沒有辦法讓你"},{"start":19359.54,"end":19387.697,"text":"反復思量然後慢慢想慢慢做你應該綜合去評估比如說如果治安法先行專章那這個的修法可以在最快的時間通過至少你已經確保了就是跟勞動相關的這些場域都是可以受到保障的那你如果評估那個時間的距離如果差太遠就是說你要一個專法你還要再耗時一年以上你認為社會可以接受嗎"},{"start":19388.477,"end":19412.497,"text":"我認為一定不會到一年啦我認為社會不會接受到一年啦所以但是我我現在說意思是想跟讓委員知道說不同的修法的路徑去確實這個複雜度會差蠻大的當然那也包括現在有一有一些包括有一些專家學者其實談到假如希望要修專法的話他甚至希望放入更多的東西"},{"start":19413.396,"end":19437.539,"text":"所以你們的評估就顯得很重要我的意思就是說作為勞動部你們必須評估AB方案那如果一個完整的專法曠日廢食然後還要更多的東西不斷的加進來我覺得那個就你們的評估就很明顯嘛那個可能要超過到一年以上整個社會是不能等的那你就應該要專章先行"},{"start":19437.619,"end":19453.389,"text":"如果真的是其實如果大家有共識是專章的話當然專章的速度可以是真的是比較快的所以我這個提案講的是專章就是你如果是專章你就要趕快進來你懂我意思嗎你下個會期就可以進來你如果最終採取的方案是專章你下個會期就可以進來你進來我就解凍"},{"start":19454.93,"end":19478.095,"text":"但是我跟網友說明這樣好不好因為確實現在社會上面有些聲音是希望專法我想委員也一定有聽到所以到底要走專法或專章我們真的是需要一點時間第一個我們做一個內部的研議以後然後還要跟各界溝通沒關係我的我的立場就是如果是專章我提案寫的是專章是真的我們可不可以把凍結的數字降低一點啊"},{"start":19478.871,"end":19496.954,"text":"一百萬不多了你只要趕快送進來就好因為我真的覺得部長你的風格讓我有點小擔心就是你是會你可能不是那麼決斷的人你要聽完所有所有所有所有人的意見但是缺點就是會拖你沒有辦法明快你懂我意思嗎"},{"start":19498.035,"end":19517.625,"text":"你需要再更明快一點就是說很快的聽完各界的意見之後你就要拍板決定你的方向就應該要往前推了這件事情拖不得啦委員我們絕對是拖不得我非常清楚知道所以我好我們12月初開第一次會下個禮拜又要再開第二次會我們是沒有完全沒有用拖來看待這個事情的對我們沒有用拖來看待這個事情的"},{"start":19523.513,"end":19539.614,"text":"我們是希望說是不是可以把動的額度再降低一點這部分想跟跟我不要弄那麼動並弄50萬趕快送進來就解凍了好不好就這樣謝謝委員所以解凍的條件可以改成書面報告嗎對你們的法案要送進委員會啊"},{"start":19541.021,"end":19543.524,"text":"勞動部有個版本是我們自己比較可以掌握在手上的"},{"start":19560.922,"end":19583.356,"text":"可是什麼時候能送進委員?坦白說這還牽涉到行政院。這是部長你的角色。這還牽涉到行政院的部分。你現在跟卓院長關係蠻好的我相信直達天聽以你現在跟院長的交情你一定可以跟他說院長趕快因為這個委員有一個案子你一定要讓我插隊我要排在最前面這是社會關注的案子這是你的本事好不好好謝謝"},{"start":19585.834,"end":19614.169,"text":"那個是不是可以再保留一下我們可以再跟這個委員在做這個金額上面做一點溝通方向上先可以先保留嗎可以先保留嗎我再跟委員報告一下因為其實勞動法務的這個預算最主要是那個主席這個我都已經聽過了就是那個要嘛就是通過100萬的動機案在委員會處理要嘛就是送那個保留送協商好謝謝"},{"start":19616.415,"end":19618.177,"text":"一百零七案一百零八案一百零九案一百"},{"start":19636.116,"end":19654.588,"text":"一十七案一百一十八案這個是一百一十八案說併一百齁然後一百二十五案一百二十六案一百二十九案就是併動在勞動條件及就業平等業務那這個是全部都是併動多少因為剛剛已經有點亂"},{"start":19656.209,"end":19669.885,"text":"那這邊的話因為最高是100所以併動100那另外還有剛剛好像有兩個呃陳委員那邊有一個案子是110案他剛剛好像有簽了已經送給主席台了還有另外有一個124案"},{"start":19676.118,"end":19693.826,"text":"124和125案這也都是併在一起的都是同樣一個科目勞動條件及就業平等那因為現在最高是100就是併成100報告主席就107、108、109、110、117、118、124、125、126、129"},{"start":19704.676,"end":19730.675,"text":"全部都併動一百?對,要同一個科目。好,這樣可以嗎?好,好,好,OK,可以嗎?124,欸,對啊,那個我,我再問一下剛剛那個124案是跟上面那個劉委員他們是一併的,那時候我不知道是要用保留還是?"},{"start":19734.485,"end":19759.124,"text":"一百二十四喔喔有有簽了齁好好好好好那我那我再重複一次啦齁王委員說王委員喔對對對對那那就先保留好了啦好不好一百二十四案就先保留齁"},{"start":19762.215,"end":19764.597,"text":"我再重複一次就是並動100萬的107案、108案、109案、110案、117案、118案、125案、126案、129案並動勞動條件及就業平等業務100萬好"},{"start":19787.754,"end":19789.555,"text":"131案．132案徒權級委員關注傳援契約的認定權責,謝謝徒權級委員已經同意改為主決議132案改主決議133案"},{"start":19805.865,"end":19827.254,"text":"那因為這個紅部長在這邊因為這個當初有關中鋼航運船員契約性質這個爭議那個時候其實跟之前我們何飛山部長那個時候針對這契約性質喔那時候我們有相當大的爭議那認知跟部長的是不一樣後來針對這部分還特別請航港局去"},{"start":19829.114,"end":19845.699,"text":"函詢然後他也回復那而且從我們這次法務司的轉組決議文字我們可以知道那其實確定當初何部長針對契約爭議說跟勞動部無關很顯然是錯的我覺得針對這部分我覺得法務司針對法律的專業幕僚單位當下應該給部長正確的資訊你看為了這個那時候在"},{"start":19855.401,"end":19873.813,"text":"質詢臺上大家爭吵不休那其實那時候我覺得法務司你應該要給正確的正確的資訊而且你讓部長公然在臺上講這個然後後來我們去針對也查詢也航港局也函付那你自己主決議員也講契約性質認定屬於行政機關與勞動主管機關的權責你看當初你們讓何部長講說契約爭議跟勞動部無關"},{"start":19883.439,"end":19901.107,"text":"所以當初為了這個才爭議這麼大所以我覺得法務司針對這部分應該要給部長正確的資訊而且我像航部長也剛上任針對這部分應該以後有類似的情形法務司應該在第一時間要提供正確的訊息"},{"start":19902.877,"end":19905.018,"text":"134案陳金輝委員關注勞動法令查詢系統的狀況"},{"start":19923.624,"end":19937.116,"text":"當然我覺得您本來就對勞動法令都已經非常的了解但是請告訴我一下說你們花這幾百萬去編列查詢系統會跟法務部的全國法規資料庫的差異在哪裡呢?"},{"start":19938.497,"end":19961.289,"text":"我跟委員報告那個全國法規系統只有法律跟法規命令我們的勞動法令查詢系統有7500筆的行政規則跟行政函式這個部分是全國勞動法規資料庫沒有的所以你們這個是未來會開放給多少都有開放我們這個就是為了政府資訊公開法令應該公開給民眾"},{"start":19963.77,"end":19989.348,"text":"所以我們有開放給民眾今年1月到11月已經有64萬人次的瀏覽還有查閱所以這個部分的話請委員放心那因為這個系統是92年就已經建制其他各部會其實也有相同法令的系統建制那它現在只是管理維護的費用如果您可以加強它的推廣的話那我們等一下就來討論"},{"start":19991.744,"end":19996.729,"text":"是,那委員這邊已經同意就是說單獨的動10萬元勞動法務業務動10萬元好,那我們等一下來處理,謝謝好,謝謝,委員同意那134案就是動10萬對135案"},{"start":20006.544,"end":20008.005,"text":"135案楊耀楊委員關注這個訴願決定期限很長的問題楊耀委員已經同意並動10萬元136案136案因為劉建國劉委員不在那就先保留"},{"start":20024.332,"end":20037.902,"text":"137案137案一樣是陳金輝委員他關注我們的行政救濟系統上面有一個線上聲明溯源的這個系統這是你們新推出的嗎"},{"start":20039.143,"end":20055.469,"text":"其實109年的時候我們就已經有了 這個線上溯源這樣子的措施其實它是一個蠻中央的業務啊 所以我會想知道說你後續推動是不是可以讓我們知道你要如何用這樣子的預算去推動一個中央業務"},{"start":20056.309,"end":20075.496,"text":" 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誰都沒有變對我說我說電啦 誰都沒變我說電啦 我都有看我說電啦 其實就有不足的狀況所以這一次是行政院讓大家其實希望能夠就盡量就用實際狀況把它編組"},{"start":21881.778,"end":21910.625,"text":"那這是第一個因素第二個因素確實是有因為我們其實這些所屬的機關它都是契約容量那它如果是契約容量的話它就是會受到電價的調整的影響所以兩個因素一個是過去就沒編組第二個是會受到電價的影響所以那個所以我可以來跟你說明說我很希望我們也希望能夠把我們所屬的節能減碳能源效率給提高可是真的是希望是說現在的電氣都耗能都"},{"start":21911.585,"end":21915.447,"text":"兼顧一些更高效率的設備如果高效率的設備確實它的能耗可以降低這是事實但是這也要變成我們要有時間把這些設備汰換成新的高效率的能耗這也有點不是一朝一夕"},{"start":21939.64,"end":21948.826,"text":"下個月就可以突然都變成高銷因為這也需要經費的採買這個設備的採買狀況是這樣想請所有人可以理解所以我剛剛講那個五個案齁我講減20%是非常少的我自己在做討論我很清楚的所以你自己自由運用減五分之一你再說啊"},{"start":21975.038,"end":21993.683,"text":"委員剛剛有特別提到勞保局這邊的確金額上530萬是看起來比較大可是我也跟委員這邊做一個報告因為勞保局在仰德大樓那一棟其實我們那棟大樓裡面有將近1500位的員工在裡面那剛剛部長也有提到那個是一個大樓部分的一個高契約容量裡面其實相關那個電費其實這"},{"start":21995.903,"end":22018.539,"text":"這幾年來勞動部就積極的做節能減電那其實同仁在這部分配合度也高所以我們看到我們度數雖然下降的確電價這三年成長了30%那過去我們在預算上的確編列是不足那如果說這部分沒有反映在我們的預算上我非常謝謝委員其實是關注我們在預算上面的有效運用跟電費上面整個政策上面怎麼樣去做合理考量"},{"start":22018.979,"end":22019.319,"text":"169案保留170案"},{"start":22047.984,"end":22064.116,"text":"保留 保留 保留 給勞動部說明一下接下來的四案169、170、171、172都是水電費的問題是不是容我們一併來跟委員再做一個說明先保留下來"},{"start":22065.836,"end":22083.853,"text":"報告主席我是希望保留送協商啦反正這個議題就是這樣嘛反正那個我們的賴總統說節能就是這個能源最好的能源是節能嘛所以當然是要往這方向來來努力啊那他一定是說他的我們也是堅持我們的所以就保留送協商吧"},{"start":22087.865,"end":22107.577,"text":"是先讓那個勞動部再跟各位再做一個說明我們會努力節能啦我們一定會而且我其實也僅只是我們秘書處甚至要引進一些專業的包括一些s口的專業的建議怎麼樣來把我們的整體的節能可以做到更好可是因為這真的是日常辦公室需求的電費的支出"},{"start":22108.922,"end":22126.708,"text":"那由像勞保局甚至它是很多民眾會到那個地方去做恰功的地方這部分真的是希望委員可以幫我們在這這部分都是更多的考慮。 沒關係啦,我們喔,從立法院的預算比照它如果是重建什麼立法院也同樣的科目同樣的計畫同樣比照"},{"start":22127.348,"end":22151.208,"text":"這樣就可以了沒有雙標就可以了如果立法院也言語律己那我們對行政部門的要求也當然合理如果說你們要求要節能然後勞保局對外營業對外服務人民的水電要少多少立法院也比照因為我們沒有對外服務我們自己要對自己更高標準這樣就可以了啦這有個不同的地方因為我們"},{"start":22152.51,"end":22160.999,"text":"對立法院自己就有不同了喔我們一直有在我們在野黨一直有在監督我們的政府應該要有更好的能源政策那為什麼現在我們的選擇往上漲但是現在現在"},{"start":22167.226,"end":22168.967,"text":"我支持砍行政部門我也支持要節能減電我也支持你的提案但是"},{"start":22191.943,"end":22192.844,"text":"請勞動部趕快再跟各個委員再趕快做一個說明溝通"},{"start":22220.865,"end":22228.549,"text":"我們往下走不然這樣真的審不完啦173案173案書委員已經同意改為主決議173案改組決議174案174案書委員已經同意改為主決議174案改組決議175案175案也非常謝謝陳委員這邊支持已經同意改為並動一般行政一千萬題書面報告"},{"start":22243.917,"end":22265.604,"text":"一百七十五案病動一千萬一百七十六案一百七十六案書委員已經同意改為主決議一百七十六案改組決議一百七十七案一百七十七案盧委員已經同意改為主決議一百七十七案改組決議一百七十八案一百七十八案邱委員已經同意改為主決議一百七十八案改組決議一百七十九案"},{"start":22266.864,"end":22288.511,"text":"179案也謝謝黃委員這邊同意改為並案凍結保險業務10萬元提書面報告好179案並案凍結10萬180案180案劉委員這邊關心的是有關於我們勞保黃牛的這個問題那有關於勞保黃牛部分我們分在實務上就不管是宣導端、申請端、審查端其實我們都會強化來宣導"},{"start":22289.011,"end":22303.766,"text":"但當然任何一個人我們都不希望他因為勞保黃牛的話術而受騙所以後續怎麼樣能夠再更精進是不是容委員這邊預算讓我們可以具以執行那改成主決議我們最後一期的精進措施我們再來想一些相關作為來跟委員做報告"},{"start":22310.56,"end":22327.122,"text":"我不曉得你們可以精進到什麼程度現在有多少個案件已經在法律的訴訟然後你們講那個是民事的案件然後是相對的被你們勞保局的被保險人自己去跟人家簽了合約你們也愛莫能助然後你說那個比例多少嗎?"},{"start":22328.208,"end":22329.029,"text":"你們清楚嗎?"},{"start":22329.029,"end":22330.429,"text":"你們調查過嗎?"},{"start":22330.429,"end":22331.39,"text":"有嗎?"},{"start":22331.39,"end":22333.351,"text":"不然你們要怎麼去精進?"},{"start":22333.351,"end":22349.481,"text":"你們精進的作為是在宣導,然後到時候說宣導沒有到位,這是他自己去跟人家簽的。 所以他自己就是民間的這樣的一個合約,所以站在公部門,站在要嚇阻房友的立場,你們也沒有什麼立場可言。 所以你的精進是什麼?"},{"start":22349.481,"end":22353.944,"text":"這第一點啦。 那第二點我覺得勞保局是真的有問題啦齁。 保地你不知道看得到嗎?"},{"start":22354.932,"end":22373.492,"text":"不好意思這是別人的提案我就不想來一個人的提案不過我是覺得勞動部局對於增換設備之養護會因其具備不對外開放公民眾使用特性然後侷限內部職員因不同的餐飲需求而進行執行或使用操作"},{"start":22374.466,"end":22386.796,"text":"是以不具備有公共服務性質之下允許職員自行籌購或養物為宜故編列在公務預算時有公器適用之不當然後把你們凍結你們沒有意見"},{"start":22389.132,"end":22413.324,"text":"然後立法院也有冰箱你們覺得這個案不要這樣子苛刻人家了為難基層公務員人家炸扁冬要起的沒有冰箱可以冰你們對這個案沒有意見被重建立法院還有冰箱還有微波爐還有蒸飯的然後我跟妳提的案妳說的經濟妳的經濟是什麼東西我不清楚"},{"start":22418.247,"end":22418.956,"text":"而理由我不要給你凍結。"},{"start":22421.38,"end":22450.289,"text":"那個我忘記你是在幹什麼的那個部長部長說明那個跟陳說明齁剛才那案其實比較是在這個病動是在一般行政下的病動啦齁那可是說實話就像剛才說的那個偵犯設備的那個題目其實確實是我們這個基層人員的需要我也覺得是我請局長再可以再多做一點說明我覺得要把實際的狀況可以讓大家知道齁"},{"start":22451.354,"end":22460.173,"text":"那這個該精進的事情我們會精進可是我說就以剛才那個偵犯設備那真的是我們實際上面的需求對"},{"start":22463.771,"end":22481.704,"text":"你不知道你們什麼案子就是說他們說勞保局裡面有偵犯設備這個偵犯設備沒有對民眾開放只有勞保局的人在用然後就認為不合理要給人家凍結和檢列不要說偵犯設備我們立法院連冰箱都用了一個"},{"start":22482.284,"end":22485.707,"text":"立法院的偵犯設備也沒有開放民眾使用,也不應該有嗎?"},{"start":22503.84,"end":22505.342,"text":"沒有啦 這陳委員這樣太離譜了啦 要減劣10%因為他們的蒸飯設備養護費"},{"start":22515.112,"end":22541.613,"text":"徵犯設備是基本設施啦跟水、飲水的供給、集水機是一模一樣的需求而且不應該只有徵犯設備因為我們街道陳情也要一些冰箱你知道去帶便當來沒有冰箱的冰放在中間這裡蒸便當夏天會壞掉裡面有那個海產的話那如果你叫他一早上班就去蒸蒸到中午能吃嗎?"},{"start":22546.162,"end":22564.777,"text":"這個164案不要剪裂也不要凍結啦這個不要用這樣子一般行政164案 這當然是我們基層的基本的需求所以當然很希望可以爭取真的是 你們就保留啦那個剛剛164案 這一案凍1千萬 病凍病凍1千萬"},{"start":22571.124,"end":22597.371,"text":"啊那有簡列案欸那個是他有簡列是不是之前那個動一千萬的是我這邊提的164這個案子應該是不要處理啦改革案啊就是勞保波普165案才是凍結一千萬沒有164也是並動一千萬164應該不要處理啦欸欸王雨164就不要處理就好了我的案子動一千萬就好了啦好啦"},{"start":22597.711,"end":22603.298,"text":"你的案子是補助勞保撥補,你給他動一千萬幹嘛?勞保撥補是怎麼做不好?勞保撥補很好啊,沒撥補會倒捏"},{"start":22616.243,"end":22617.244,"text":"公務及基金預算"},{"start":22631.42,"end":22633.321,"text":"政府不撥補第一次是叫勞工和副主掌保費嗎?好啦好啦不要再吵了啦"},{"start":22660.74,"end":22664.383,"text":"不要再吵了,我們現在已經在討論180案了不要再吵了,現在已經是180案了"},{"start":22682.899,"end":22688.689,"text":"我再確認一次齁剛剛病棟一般行政1000萬的是不是164案165案167案175案是不是這樣子"},{"start":22698.567,"end":22701.868,"text":"並動一般行政一千萬,是嗎?就四案嗎?164、165、167、175?如果委員可以同意不動,我們謝謝委員。"},{"start":22718.894,"end":22725.416,"text":"164若可以不要動我們當然也希望能夠爭取不要動啦。 並動好啦沒關係啦並動沒關係啦好啦先這樣子啦就剛剛已經通過了啦好啦那180案那個劉委員"},{"start":22733.319,"end":22752.295,"text":"對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,"},{"start":22754.551,"end":22770.763,"text":"他說要印刷防治黃紐宣導職業啦吼介紹黃紐常見的常見的注意聽啊常見的框片畫素剝削手法等內容然後提供給醫療院所協助發放啊供民眾就醫索取這第一啦吼第二是什麼"},{"start":22772.608,"end":22788.333,"text":"第二就是診斷證明書徵修失能診斷書是委員陪同陪同與病患關係確認是否有非家屬人員陪同然後已請辦事處防查協助被保險人自行申請以免剝削"},{"start":22789.894,"end":22813.124,"text":"我講抱歉啦,大家不小心聽看看後面叫剝削嘛,前面那個叫框片畫素嘛剝削手法等內容嘛對不對那我們就很清楚他這樣沒有過程犯罪他如果沒有過程犯罪那如果你要一勞永逸你要經濟的做法應該是在法律上你必須要來處理了"},{"start":22814.468,"end":22821.047,"text":"而不是在持續用這種宣導的方式嘛因為不到位嘛你們的不到位你跟我講叫做精進的方案"},{"start":22822.608,"end":22847.718,"text":"那個委員我剛剛已經有跟局長說了我覺得我們在做法上面確實這個大概是不太能夠使用這個部分來交代的啦那我覺得我們就我們凍結好不好我們可以跟委員討論一個凍結的你如果今天你是在勞動部還是勞保局相關的官員你的親戚家屬遇到這個狀況然後被剝削"},{"start":22850.879,"end":22879.04,"text":"然後來找你你說你跟簽了合約你上了法院你愛莫能助你的親戚你的家屬情何以堪然後你說我已經有在精進了我現在提供這樣的精進你跟我講你就這樣叫做精進方案嗎你如果敢跟我講說這樣叫做精進方案我不動不散一句話嘿我就不動不散啊你如果要跟我講這個叫精進計畫我就不動不散我希望從你嘴巴講出來啊"},{"start":22880.317,"end":22908.929,"text":"委員是不是可以容我們就相關怎麼樣能夠杜絕黃牛雖然現在有做一些努力可是誠如剛剛委員講我們應該還要再思考一些其他相關的配套或精進措施那也容我們可以邀集我想我們也可以找學者專家來提供我們一些相關建議所以這個案子是不是容我們有一些在後續往下的一個持續督促的力量是不是可以就併著剛才前面有個案子也是保險業務凍結10萬元那我們就後續我們研議怎麼樣可以精進的作為部分"},{"start":22909.309,"end":22932.327,"text":"我們進一步提出來這個事情牽涉到兩個層面第一個第一個被保險人自行申請是遇到什麼樣的困難對不對怎麼需要借助這個勞保的房紐對不對如果今天是自行去申請假使他申請就是困難重重還是申請的額度就是幾乎額度就很低"},{"start":22933.487,"end":22959.563,"text":"他當然就是要借助這一端嘛,對嗎?所以我才助長這一端,司法房友的慎行然後司法房友的慎行又讓他這個司法房友這四個字好像不見了他好像是一個勞保代替申請的重建業變成法院可以去認證,讓你們勞保局束手無策我覺得這很衝突啦,對我來講是一個非常衝突的一件事,很矛盾的事情"},{"start":22961.807,"end":22972.654,"text":"對阿然後勞工繳了勞保費自己遇到被保險自己遇到事情要提出申請他要遇到這樣的狀況那我們身為這樣的一個主管機關我們通通按摩輪柱"},{"start":22976.658,"end":23001.111,"text":"所以這個是什麼問題 你們要答覆我嘛齁 你如果覺得說這樣就夠了我就跟你講我不這樣不動啊 我只是把問題講出來而已啊 但如果說我們真的還有真正的改善經濟的方案讓我們勞保的被保險人不要這樣被剝削 然後我們再申請勞保的給付的時候 可能會更加的 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in那個其實都是相關資料輸入的相關的經費這個費用的確我們在運用上是比較拮据一點每當有空間 若是凍結50萬了"},{"start":23650.214,"end":23666.664,"text":"真的比較困難事情我們一定會遵照委員剛才所提的辦理那經費是不是可以拜託委員容我們有一點比較可以運用的因為這真的是郵寄費很謝謝委員同意動10萬好不好好197案動10萬元並動並案凍結10萬提書面報告好保險業務並案凍結保險業務提書面報告"},{"start":23679.543,"end":23692.674,"text":"同意併案凍結保險業務10萬元提書面報告198案198案 溫委員也是關心農保資格宣導是不是我們跟剛才那個案子一併來做處理那也是併案凍結保險業務10萬元是 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併206凍結100萬。"},{"start":23986.511,"end":24013.632,"text":"兩百零八案兩百零八案委員那個我們陳昭芝委員這邊所關切的是青年朋友的失業的問題那提醒我們要再繼續精進對青年的相關服務措施那這個部分我們遵照委員的指示不管是在青年朋友的職業的一個能力上的一個培訓或者是在他們投入重點產業相關那個支持上我們都會繼續的來努力那是不是委員這邊的凍結一百萬元的部分我們遵照辦理可是可不可以請委員同意我們併案"},{"start":24014.833,"end":24042.379,"text":"並在206跟207一起並動。 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攬上在工作上這樣子的配置是不合理啊你們人事總署協調的結論是要怎麼做"},{"start":25417.688,"end":25440.007,"text":"之前我們是有一部分爭取到可以用現在的約用人員的緣額來兌換成為編制人員那我們目前的目標是先把這個可以做配置調整的一個部分先把它人力補食之後再做下一階段的安排處理全部勞發署多少人全部勞發署我忘掉了不要講北分署全部整個就是"},{"start":25441.608,"end":25465.638,"text":"本部的話是八全部啦各分數加起來三千九三千九裡面正式公務員資格有多少八零六八零六啊約聘僱有多少約聘僱大約九十位然後其他都是勞務承攬還有我們的約用人員就是臨時人力臨時人力這種一千兩百位"},{"start":25468.332,"end":25481.172,"text":"這種都是從事什麼工作是我們的承辦同仁幫忙編制人員正式人員做一些一千二加九百等於兩千一兩千一那裡勞務承攬就是一千八是"},{"start":25482.978,"end":25499.771,"text":"你們現在希望要改製成什麼樣子?目前的配置會是改成什麼樣子?我們這一次爭取到的是50位的編製同那個編製增加50位編製對但是我們必須要少掉63位的約用人員就是臨時人員要少掉"},{"start":25500.253,"end":25518.9,"text":"好那還不是一樣一模一樣我們現在講的是承攬的人因為承攬的人你沒有指揮監督權欸不然就叫他做事啊我們剛剛講的約用人員就是我們自己的僱用的臨時人力這邊少掉63不是啦你僱用的人力你是可以指揮監督權的啊你正式援和也是有指揮監督權啊"},{"start":25520.02,"end":25537.2,"text":"那現在人力出在沒有指揮監督權那些人,你在現場沒辦法叫他幫你倒三天的,不是嗎?無信公務員的問題就是他那個旁邊有五個城攬啊,可是他沒辦法指揮監督啊,啊雖然可以指揮監督也做不來,因為那一個數位計畫也不應該是市級"},{"start":25541.064,"end":25553.913,"text":"市集單位去執行啦不應該啦但是如果說一個市集單位可執行的業務你旁邊都是承攬的話他也沒有人可以用啦因為不能指揮監督嘛那我們講的是說保證立條你們不是去爭取了這個50個編制內的緣額"},{"start":25559.817,"end":25571.123,"text":"結果少掉了是臨時人力那朝三暮四跟朝四暮三不是一樣嗎所以總數問題不是在於正式緣和加上臨時人力總數問題不是在這裡總數的問題是承攬的人數太多"},{"start":25576.146,"end":25586.917,"text":"這個跟委員說明齁其實剛剛書長講的其實這是之前跟人種爭取到的方案簡單來說它是結構的失衡阿對但我等於說它其實原本它是一個結構的失衡阿就是從正式人員"},{"start":25593.163,"end":25597.746,"text":"我自己是打算我們在這段時間的檢討結束以後我要再跟人種希望能夠再爭取下一輪的改善"},{"start":25623.359,"end":25634.746,"text":"我我我現在很不解就是說因為你的約用再加上你正式人力事實上都是目前都還有指揮監督的啦"},{"start":25640.134,"end":25646.818,"text":"那個在溝通的這些同仁吼 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跟你們說明齁,其實剛才你們提醒的問題除了人力的結構要調,其實我認為在業務上面也必須檢討。因為承攬人力的多寡,很多時候是因為一些新的業務,既有的業務剪不掉,可是又必須加上新的業務,然後你真的是雲挪不出人力,所以你才必須用承攬的人力去解決這個問題。它有點像是一個應急的做法。"},{"start":25798.166,"end":25823.608,"text":"可是你們新興有這麼多每年都逐年增加很多每年都有多出這麼多嗎?其實一個很大的確實一個很大的原因是過去累積下來的一些業務那都已經是既有的計劃了那也就不是新興了可是可能針對不同的時間點會有不同的需求所以我自己是希望跟法人署來討論我們是希望來討論說可能有些既有的業務假設真的已經不符合現在這個時空所需的我們能不能來做一些整併"},{"start":25825.109,"end":25847.643,"text":"所以這裡面會牽涉到業務的檢討跟整併比較能夠去處理到承攬的人力這個過於龐大的這個部分但是人力的結構的問題這部分我們還是會來跟人種來爭取所以這有不同的層次的問題對但是你現在就有的正式原額加約用的人加起來是都還到底有缺口有多大"},{"start":25849.244,"end":25869.206,"text":"很大那為什麼行政部門比如說我舉一個不好的例子啊為什麼不再用這個派遣因為以前的派遣事實上其實都一直用啦可是我們都知道外國的例子是派遣用久了你就必須聘他為正式的啦"},{"start":25870.003,"end":25884.914,"text":"現在是大家都為了,你們如果勞動部的思考是為了必須非聘他不可而繼續去聘,這個包袱太重所以都用勞務承攬來規避這樣的一個道德責任,未來可能成為法律責任,在換位稱最慢啦。"},{"start":25886.836,"end":25909.394,"text":"大家都知道全世界派錢用久了你就同一個業務同一個人派錢一年派錢兩年派錢三年人家要約定說你這樣就是正式要聘用他了那你們為了上有政策下有對這個法律有規範事實上大家以前都討論說的確要法律規範起來所以怕這個道德壓力變成法律責任"},{"start":25910.094,"end":25918.995,"text":"所以你們就是說不再用派遣這樣子就太荒謬太離譜因為你們剛好為老闆雇主示範了一個如何取巧的方式"},{"start":25919.758,"end":25940.25,"text":"那個那個勞動部變成勞動部保障部所以所以我現在這部分我自己我們自己在這方面有兩個部分第一部分還是需要跟持續跟人種來爭取第二部分就是我自己覺得在業務上面的檢討跟整併才比較能夠去處理現在這個在承攬人力過多或者持續不斷累積的這個問題這是我們現在覺得需要來去處理的兩個層次的問題對"},{"start":25945.629,"end":25966.477,"text":"啊你們只爭取到50個一共全部有3900個爭取到50個的比例是不到四十分之一欸你們是嗯嗯這樣是多少3950個這樣比例是多少這真的是人種給我們合下來的八十分之一喔我們也需要更多真的是有點不知道要怎麼說了那你署長你自己說說看"},{"start":25975.782,"end":26000.592,"text":"那你要怎麼弄?還有你現在是少了兩個次長是不是?兩個次長都還沒補嗎?兩個次長的那個有特別費嗎?特別費只有首長啊。兩個次長的他的簡略用次長的啊。反正現在沒有次長嘛。"},{"start":26005.791,"end":26018.435,"text":"不像我們也沒有辦法擔負這麼多的業務的需求這也會非常吃力好來署長你自己說說看要怎麼處理這個不用我尊重委員的指導尊重委員的指導那你21萬就全數減劣囉不是啦凍結喔是"},{"start":26021.169,"end":26032.667,"text":"好了你凍結沒關係啦凍結啊你提出一個你們的改善計畫啦到底這個整個人力的配置的問題喔你告訴我說你們有沒有什麼中長期短期計畫中長期計畫"},{"start":26037.173,"end":26057.152,"text":"出分委員因為這個預算其實也不多啦他的全部特別費其實本來是要處罰以前的前署長的啦因為他是新署長我們也不好意思所以才叫他說結果他自己不說他說尊重我們他尊重我們我們就只好繼續凍結啦他自己都不敢說啊他不好意思說了"},{"start":26058.922,"end":26061.504,"text":"216案改組決議217案217案我們陳君委員已經這個同意改凍結20萬元已簽署"},{"start":26080.182,"end":26098.534,"text":"好217案凍結20萬218案218案賴會員委員已經同意改組決議218案改組決議主席主席這邊我可以確認一下因為這部分齁這個專案缺工獎勵措施齁阿沒到10%勒是阿這個"},{"start":26101.096,"end":26119.498,"text":"到底問題出在哪裡跟我們報告因為這個缺工的一個專案我們基本上是跟相關部會一起合作的那所以在相關的職缺的篩選我們會先做一步就是希望說他的薪資要達到至少一個合理的一個水準然後接下來我們才進行這個所謂的求財廠跟求職民眾的一個媒合"},{"start":26119.978,"end":26136.641,"text":"那每合的過程當中有一些是因為這個廠商他可能在招募的過程當中時程上有稍微有一些延宕所以有些求職的民眾如果同時有找到其他適合的應徵的機會他就往其他的一個職缺區投遞履歷也就應徵所以"},{"start":26138.102,"end":26163.804,"text":"有一些狀況是因為廠商的一個動作比較慢的一個結果那有一些是求職民眾本身他對這個工作環境跟工作條件覺得不符合他的一個期望所以會有供需兩端之間的一些客觀條件因素導致沒有辦法完成媒合那所以以我們公立救福機構來說我是盡量的推薦我們的推薦的比率有超過4倍左右的一個水準也就是說廠商如果提供一個職缺我們是提出四個人給他選"},{"start":26164.705,"end":26175.87,"text":"但是在這種情況之下目前還是有這個媒合比較低的一個效率的一個情形希望能夠更精準好218案改組決議219案219案我們賴會員委員已經同意改動結10萬元已簽署並動並案並案動"},{"start":26186.692,"end":26214.501,"text":"好,二一九案齁,病案動二一七案勞動力發展業務十萬元有嗎?二一七二一七是動二十啊科目那可以病二一九嗎?沒有沒有,二一七"},{"start":26216.775,"end":26222.443,"text":"二一九二一七單獨啦二一九就並下面的"},{"start":26225.765,"end":26248.035,"text":"那219就是病案凍結10萬元是然後220案那220案我問委員這邊所關切的是我們國家的一個競爭力的一個這個水準是不是有下滑的情形特別關注到有關我們勞動力的一個人口的一個成長的趨勢"},{"start":26248.915,"end":26261.839,"text":"跟高階人才跟移工存量等等這個部分勞動部需要再進一步加強人才培育跟就業服務工作那這個部分我們會遵照辦理那我目前已經同意並按動兩百萬元按以簽署並219並按動動多少兩百萬兩百萬哪裡219是動"},{"start":26276.277,"end":26291.134,"text":"二、一、九是動十萬。 二、一、九是動十萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。 也是動兩百萬。"},{"start":26292.935,"end":26318.481,"text":"二二一案二二一案我們曾召諸委員所關切的是我們的移工朋友他這個要在目前的一個制度之下常常會遭到仲介要求要這個收取買工費這個部分希望我們在制度上怎麼樣去做一個加強以避免移工落入這個弱勢的一個處境那所以有提案要做凍結那這個部分委員是不是已經同意併案凍結十萬元"},{"start":26321.636,"end":26336.462,"text":"你還沒有說明跟解釋啊怎麼直接跳到 那就這個部分跟委員報告目前這個部分我們為了杜絕我們的仲介公司他在收取在我們的法規所規範的可以收取方以外的相關的費用"},{"start":26338.924,"end":26353.722,"text":"對,這是違法收取不該收的費用所以我們主要是透過跟地方政府合作來加強相關的訪查工作只要查有他有超收不該收的費用的部分我們就會去進行後續的裁罰停業或者是廢止許可"},{"start":26354.082,"end":26375.408,"text":"那這個部分從111年到113年我們持續都在辦理這樣的工作當中那114年我們更加會進行專案把那個抽檢的一個比率再進一步拉高也加強宣導工作讓我們的移工朋友都知道說這個部分不是他應該出單你要怎麼查你是全面查嗎我們是抽抽抽抽案你抽案在百分比抽多少"},{"start":26383.188,"end":26399.038,"text":"我自己從當立委到現在都非常非常關注我不是有感覺我非常關注這裡面會有幾個幾個層次的問題比方說買公費的收取是移工他身上的一些聘僱文件或者是身份文件他被扣住"},{"start":26399.978,"end":26426.622,"text":"所以這個他會說你如果不繳買工費我就不給你這個事情對所以我們其實已經在包括我也跟法案署這邊來要求該把這些相關重要的聘僱文件或是論文件其實能夠上網的都能夠讓他可以上網去做download他不是就變只有一份好像只要被扣住了那他就必須要被迫去繳買工費我說這是從源頭來去克服這件事情"},{"start":26427.142,"end":26448.795,"text":"有一個部分是事後來查剛剛陳委員提到包括書長講是事後來查那我們要在事前就減少被扣住相關重要的文件而必須被迫收買工費的這件事情這不管是事前的或者是事後的我們絕對我絕對會大力的來做這些事情所以不是只是靠事後查部長那現在你知道抓到的違規律有多少"},{"start":26449.554,"end":26476.309,"text":"我們在一百一十一年查到有抄收的是十件一百一十二年是十三件十幾件對就是這個這一百一十三年的話是那個如果才十件那個母數看起來好像根本沒有我可以很直接說了這真的只要單靠事後來抓是很困難的所以一定要從事前把能夠收買工費為什麼能夠收的那個條件給盡量的杜絕"},{"start":26477.209,"end":26502.699,"text":"其實這才是處理這件事情的正辦所以我剛才說包括這些文件怎麼樣讓他上網可以上網就能夠申請得到其實這是這件事情很重要的關鍵那這很多委員都關注過去很多委員都關注那我們會來把這事情做到位那你現在說的是你打算要做的嗎對我們這是打算要做的這是打算就是要做的我已經我上任其實就交代發案署很多民間的組織關心我們很多委員也關心這件事情對"},{"start":26505.014,"end":26530.859,"text":"那這邊你可不可以只要請兩個同一併案就好了我們前面219、220併動的結果是兩百萬219、220併動 因為它是科目相同這是科目 科目相同我看一下2、210 同一筆 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光部本部就做了這麼多八千八百多萬其實裡面就一大堆累犯四分之一的標案都給累犯"},{"start":27473.73,"end":27493.756,"text":"都給不斷違反那個勞動禁令的勞動法令的掌商可以嗎?寫得出來嗎?我們這邊的沒有問題我這邊我會來寫好那那這樣是237就是你把這個我的要求這個你們的因為這請證明你不用修法請證明你就可以處理了"},{"start":27495.066,"end":27495.566,"text":"國務及基金預算"},{"start":27526.447,"end":27528.469,"text":"二三七是怎樣?二三七就是病案"},{"start":27554.329,"end":27556.591,"text":"我再重複一次齁,因為這個病動兩百萬的我重複一次齁219、220、221、222、223、233、237病動勞動力發展業務兩百萬"},{"start":27582.489,"end":27587.531,"text":"那226是凍結綜合規劃50萬元因為226沒有同意並凍238案238案我們蘇金泉委員同意凍結10萬元以簽署238案同意凍結10萬元239案239案廖委員目前"},{"start":27609.717,"end":27637.282,"text":"二三九案保留委員不在二四零案秋委員這邊同意改組決議二四零案改組決議二四一案我們盧委員同意改組決議二四一案改組決議二四二案廖委員不在二四二案保留二四三案我們陳軍委員這個部分已經改組決議已簽署二四三案改組決議二四四案"},{"start":27637.83,"end":27659.68,"text":"二十四案秋委員這邊同意撤案以簽署。 二十四案同意撤案。二十四五案。 二十四五案同意並案凍結。 對不起二十四四跟二十四五跟二十四六因為林委員不在現場他要求要先保留。 好二十四五二十四六保留。 是。 二十四七案。 二十四七案我們遵照辦理。"},{"start":27660.748,"end":27690.12,"text":"二十七案好召喚辦理二四八案二十八案我們王委員說要保留送協商對這一案我想這個這是勞發署爆發這一些打假卡超時工作不當使用預算購買禮品裝潢的這些事情我想這個輿論嘩然那這個應該是要有一個徹底的檢討所以我這一案要保留送那個黨團協商二四八案保留協商二四九案"},{"start":27690.68,"end":27719.048,"text":"二十九案我們林委員不在保留二五零案要委員不在二五零案保留二五一案邱委員同意併案動一百萬元已簽署二五一案同意併案動一百萬二五二案二五二蘇委員不在嗎他有簽嗎沒有二五二案保留二五三案"},{"start":27720.205,"end":27738.389,"text":"二、五、三萬我們陳昭芝委員這邊所關切的是桃竹苗分屬的水電費這個部分是不是可以允許這樣是增編百分增加百分之多少二、五、三、剛剛我有一個二十幾的我們同意了這樣子增列了多少百分比"},{"start":27740.809,"end":27765.408,"text":"相較60原來一百六十萬你這次是一百七十四萬跟委員報告因為桃分署他的整個分署裡面還包括各個大樓的訓練場館所以他就類似一個大學的樣子所以他跟比如說北分署或者是勞動法院署來說他完全不一樣所以他會連他訓練場所需要用的水電全部都在裡面所以額度會比較高"},{"start":27766.755,"end":27793.31,"text":"那你表示你之前你一直說是沒有編組沒有編組這麼嚴重啊他他他一樣也是他一樣他一樣也是沒編組對他其他是20幾個percent我們後來都很快同意了多了百分之二十幾你你這個從60萬編到170萬三倍嗯好消費說明一下一倍數實在太大了逃分署那不在"},{"start":27801.647,"end":27806.951,"text":"桃分署是因為它的那個行政大樓還有漢街工廠的這個整修完畢正式使用因為漢街工廠它的耗電量就是本來就是比較大的"},{"start":27824.889,"end":27826.97,"text":"我大概知道一下狀況,不然拿10年前的那個跟成人說明齁"},{"start":27846.937,"end":27870.834,"text":"因為在這些訓練裡面其實這幾年焊接的訓練其實是特別多人參與的因為離岸風電的原因因為離岸風電的業務其實對於焊接業務的需求量特別大所以在各個訓練的項目裡面焊接的業務的成長或者是需求特別大所以這個部分可能"},{"start":27871.274,"end":27873.116,"text":"這個工作是放在桃竹苗分屬來說嗎?"},{"start":27873.116,"end":27888.995,"text":"是是是是桃竹苗分屬裡面在做焊接的這部分其實他們的過去怎麼熬過去但是因為現在離岸封店一直在做然後人一直缺乏所以這方面訓練其實等於是我不會不要講業務特別好啦"},{"start":27889.175,"end":27906.938,"text":"但就說需求的人特別多所以是有這個因素存在的那不用編這麼多好嗎編了三倍耶否定你現在跑出三倍這個跟成員說明這三倍這部分當然我們可以再請逃分署再來把這個裡面精算60變成100"},{"start":27908.32,"end":27931.822,"text":"其實這第一個這些都一定都是石邊啦第二個這裡面到底增加的實際上面怎麼算出三倍的我也可以請我們桃分署再送一份資料提供給你但我可以跟說這是石邊那剛才講到這個漢街的不因為他裡面有訓練場他不是只是辦公處所而已他這是裡面是有訓練場的這個訓練場裡面很多是用到會比辦公場所用到更多的電"},{"start":27933.632,"end":27955.044,"text":"所以當初就應該好好說明嘛對跟委員報告一下之前焊接這個職類齁其實非常常常都招不滿就是一個班他可能只有幾個人來上課但是現在的話招生情況因為離岸風電的關係所以說他的這個招生量有增加是不是那個陳委員是不是還是先保留然後請他們跟你說明"},{"start":27956.377,"end":27983.479,"text":"好,我們可以提供這一定是實編可是裡面到底怎麼評估的可以提供給陳委員這樣好不好,他分數好不好。 好不好,那253案先保留齁那請勞動部趕快提供給陳委員資料。 254案。 254案我們吳立法委員同意改組決議一千數。 254案改組決議255案。 255案邱委員同意併案然後凍結分數管理一百萬元一千數。 好。"},{"start":27985.3,"end":28010.64,"text":"二五五案同意併案二五一案分數管理一百萬二五六案二五六求委員這邊同意併二五一二五五併案凍結分數管理一百萬元一千數二五六案同意併二五一二五五併案凍結分數管理一百萬元二五七案廖委員不在"},{"start":28011.3,"end":28035.628,"text":"好257案保留258案258案書委員這邊那258案保留259案是那我們陳昭志委員一樣針對南分署的水電費的部分也這個有所關心那這邊我們是不是也提供細部的說明資料再跟委員做說明你這個部分是30%增加了30%以上"},{"start":28037.508,"end":28062.305,"text":"剛剛我們過關的大概都25,四分之一啦不過南分署它也是一樣它就像一個學校裡面有很多棟的這個訓練場所以它的整個用電器跟桃分署是接近的加南勒,雲加南分署這部分現在是這樣,它也是這個部分我OK但是剛剛那個三倍的部分還是讓我看一下比較安心那所以這個案子是不是同意組決議或者是測案"},{"start":28064.046,"end":28076.214,"text":"主決議我們就主決議謝謝好259案主決議260案260案我們賴委員這邊同意改為主決議已簽署260案改主決議261案261案邱委員這邊同意併251、255、256凍結分署管理100萬元已簽署"},{"start":28089.346,"end":28108.217,"text":"二六一案同意併二五一、二五五、二五六同意併案凍結分屬管理一百萬元二六二案書委員還沒簽二六二案保留二六三案其實就同一個案你這個增加到40%所以同樣說經費過去變得不足但是"},{"start":28111.459,"end":28115.482,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算"},{"start":28135.729,"end":28163.332,"text":"二六四案同意併案凍結一百萬元二六五案保留二六六案這個增加44%它是計減中心就是說每一個要增加的比率跟超過我們現在認知的你就要一個說明那是不是先保留然後請他們提供資料給你那二六六案保留二六七案二六七陳委員提案我們遵照辦理"},{"start":28163.892,"end":28164.934,"text":"267案遭案通過268案268案遭案通過269案"},{"start":28172.018,"end":28175.4,"text":"二六九案改組決議二七零案二七零案病動一百萬二七一案先保留"},{"start":28194.244,"end":28196.845,"text":"271案保留272案271案保留272案272案病棟200萬提書面報告273案"},{"start":28220.057,"end":28230.784,"text":"二期三案保留二期四案先保留提供資料二期四案保留請勞動部這邊儘速提供資料二期五案二期五案是陳昭主委特別關心的案子我早上跟委員報告過這是我們特別費經過溝通改組決議我們就遵照辦理"},{"start":28249.195,"end":28251.857,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度二天一次會"},{"start":28266.332,"end":28287.024,"text":"這個注帖、求募注帖跟唆募注帖當中不合格就是不合格怎麼都發明了一個名詞呢?報告委員這個不是我們發明名詞我們找了經濟部找了那個專業團體做開會把20到80%它既不是求募注帖也不是唆募注帖所以我們你就是準備讓那些不合規的防暴器材"},{"start":28287.825,"end":28306.667,"text":"所以我們絕對不會這個案子我們移送檢調來做調查的違規廠商檢調已經也做一些相關的約談我們同仁所有資料我們也會給檢調所做了解所以我們絕對不會你聽到檢調你就知道這是弊案嘛當然所以他這個本來不合格80以上求法率才叫合格"},{"start":28308.048,"end":28309.549,"text":"我們絕對不會包庇這件事情我們也沒有理由包庇"},{"start":28335.698,"end":28354.347,"text":"報告裡面不要再創造另外一個位階出來從虧口鑄鐵然後什麼鑄鐵到一個最最最好的一個球末鑄鐵當中你又創造一級出來中間那個物質是什麼樣的名稱我們要參考國外的國外的定義跟專業但是要合格合法的名稱"},{"start":28355.347,"end":28355.607,"text":"專案檢討報告並經同意後使得動之"},{"start":28385.831,"end":28401.948,"text":"就這樣我們要同意這個部分因為這是剪刀再查的事情可不可以讓我們用書面的方式但是我說就剛剛委員說我們到底接下來怎麼去管這個東西到底要分哪幾個成績那是後面還有另外的提案對"},{"start":28403.129,"end":28419.455,"text":"但我要說的是說我們這部分我們會找相關的專家學者來一起做這部分做討論我們都願意做到這件事情這不一定是我們自己怎麼決定如果外界社會對這事情不同的廠家對這事情有爭議我覺得就是爭議的問題爭議的問題專業處理我認為爭議的問題就是專業處理這是一個很專業的問題"},{"start":28431.52,"end":28439.786,"text":"好,那就是檢討報告出來,我不要看了滿意才解凍。 這個是凍?"},{"start":28439.786,"end":28441.788,"text":"遵照辦理。 20%遵照辦理。 好。 就書面。 是,就書面。 那個我問一下因為簽是簽10%,那你們現在是說20%?"},{"start":28456.575,"end":28463.498,"text":"10%就是那個10%委員已經簽名了對10%10%對謝謝委員好275萬動10%那題隨便報告謝謝委員276案276案是書記委員關心的這個議題那我們已經簽署是同意併動50萬276案同意併動50萬"},{"start":28488.695,"end":28490.435,"text":"二七七案二七七案二七八案"},{"start":28511.812,"end":28525.798,"text":"二、七、八案是翁曉琳委員提案那我們也同意就是病棟兩百萬科目改為職業安全衛生零七的健全機械設備及器具安全源的管理的業務費的一般事務費兩百萬"},{"start":28527.459,"end":28542.155,"text":"二七八案病棟兩百萬科目你們就照你剛剛講的是是謝謝趙偉那我們同學會再去跟律師委員做報告二七九案二七九案也是林衛吉委員的就保留好了二八零案對謝謝"},{"start":28544.197,"end":28544.737,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算"},{"start":28559.215,"end":28582.15,"text":"二八二案是廖偉祥委員的提案我們跟委員做報告委員同意並動30萬也已經簽名了二八二案並動30萬二八三案跟二八二案是內容一樣我們跟王育民委員報告王育民是希望說能夠不同意我們請求並動30萬那是不是請委員跟我們指教一下因為我們這才90萬的"},{"start":28587.814,"end":28599.92,"text":"那個部分還是要簡略大家可以看到我們從早上審到現在這個政府部門的媒體預算就是一直往上加那你可以看到責安署他其實去年的執行他編50萬只執行五成六結果今年還提出一個90萬的這個媒體預算"},{"start":28605.382,"end":28618.494,"text":"那這個完全是不合理的。 那這個完全是不合理的。 那這個完全是不合理的。 那個比例上升太快了。 那個比例上升太快了。 那個比例上升太快了。 那個比例上升太快了。 那個比例上升太快了。 那個比例上升太快了。 那個比例上升太快了。"},{"start":28628.249,"end":28636.817,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案"},{"start":28652.682,"end":28667.565,"text":"二百萬是王秘武委員的提案,謝謝王秘武委員,我已經跟委員報告過,同意併我們那個安全衛生的這個安全衛生的接費是併動一百萬以簽名二八五萬併動一百萬二八六萬"},{"start":28668.618,"end":28691.625,"text":"二八案是楊耀委員的經過報告同意並動我們的經費一百萬十萬塊以簽名二八六案並動十萬十萬二八七案劉委員是關心我們履歷這個平台的問題那跟委員報告過委員報告同意就是並動十萬塊但是還沒有簽名劉委員"},{"start":28698.004,"end":28719.056,"text":"你那個報告趕快給我我看可以就趕快給你簽名就暫時保留287案保留288案所以我們這個改善的制度方法趕快給謝謝那288案是陳委員的提案那已經同意那個病動50萬我願意簽名288案病動50萬289案"},{"start":28725.458,"end":28746.893,"text":"二八九案是林淑芬委員的也經過同意就是並動一百萬也已經簽名了二八九案並動一百萬二九零案二九一是王正希委員的提案那委員也同意就是並動十萬塊也已經簽名了二九零案並動十萬二九一案二九一案是我們盧憲毅委員的經過報告溝通同意並動五十萬已經簽名"},{"start":28753.376,"end":28759.902,"text":"二九一案併動五十萬二九二案二九二案曾經會委員的經過溝通也是同意併動連同285、286、287、288、289、290、291總共合在一起併動一百萬"},{"start":28773.649,"end":28780.036,"text":"二九二案病動一百萬先等一下好不好是不是你們提供一下因為這邊有點亂了"},{"start":28798.493,"end":28818.103,"text":"二九一是病動一百萬喔?二九一喔?二九一以上的是病動一百萬,沒有錯。二九一是病動一百?一百萬,對。二九一病動一百?嗯。連同上面的。剛剛說五十。二八六、二九零。"},{"start":28820.256,"end":28820.917,"text":"286、290、291、287、288、289、285並動100再一次286、290、291、287、288、289、285並動100萬"},{"start":28842.625,"end":28844.585,"text":"先等一下先讓他們核對一下"},{"start":28872.658,"end":28880.652,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":28900.887,"end":28903.149,"text":"二八七保留嗎?"},{"start":28903.149,"end":28903.389,"text":"二八七保留阿?"},{"start":28903.389,"end":28906.331,"text":"對阿,二八七保留,現在在溝通。 職業安全衛生業務"},{"start":28926.909,"end":28933.281,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會"},{"start":28940.527,"end":28963.845,"text":"二八五、二八六、二八八、二八九、二八九、二八七、二八七再溝通二八五、二八九、二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通二八七再溝通"},{"start":28964.725,"end":28964.745,"text":"審訊室。"},{"start":28977.205,"end":28988.853,"text":"主席,剛剛那個287保留嘛齁,他們有來說明的啦,那我就同意之前病誰?病棟285就看你那些病棟啦齁,病來一個棟,病誰的棟?285謝謝,謝謝劉委員,感謝我這邊再來重複一次"},{"start":29008.686,"end":29034.514,"text":"二八五、二八六、二八七、二八九、二九零、二九一、病棟一百萬、科目四、二八五、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八、二八八"},{"start":29036.954,"end":29059.36,"text":"285、286、287、289、288、290、291並動100萬"},{"start":29060.871,"end":29075.569,"text":"二八八、二八九、二九零、二九一總共七案並動一百萬科目是二八五案的職業安全衛生業務健全職業安全衛生管理及制度"},{"start":29081.567,"end":29105.732,"text":"然後現在我現在是二、二九二是,二九二沈少俊金匯委員的提案已經同意改組決議也簽名了二九二案改組決議二九三案王委員的已經同意就併動一百萬已經簽名了二九三案併動一百萬二九四案"},{"start":29106.894,"end":29124.786,"text":"二九四還是央奧委員的提案已經同意併動十萬塊那所謂併動的案件是二九四、二九五、二九六、二九八對不對?沒有錯嗎?二九四、二九五、二九八"},{"start":29127.921,"end":29130.743,"text":"二九四、二九五、二九六、二九八"},{"start":29157.923,"end":29158.025,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":29160.906,"end":29188.237,"text":"這個書案應該有看我的內容嘛有有對啊到底這要怎麼處理跟委員報告罪落打擊我很承認我們今年治安署破功因為我們希望降30%到目前12月15日為止我們只降了10幾%沒有到達30%但是營造罪落的部分其實是我們國內最大的痛我們不管的工程規模越來越高越來越大還有我們現在新的工法包括我們太陽能板都趕快要做一些新的屋頂型要做所以我們第一個治安法準備要修"},{"start":29188.917,"end":29204.905,"text":"把生產管理跟工程業主責任都加進來第二次我們要跟國土組合作還有跟那個能源組合作就是未來特別的工程像比如說物理型太陽板要先做前端的規劃設計才能做施工"},{"start":29205.685,"end":29225.423,"text":"加上是我們自己的監督檢查跟宣導的展開要再更努力從此除此之外我們要跟那個營建業跟建設業做更進步合作因為他們是主力他們現場管理他們是重點所以幾個城市我們會依照我們的檢查的辦法來做展開那請委員多給我們指導謝謝"},{"start":29229.267,"end":29241.261,"text":"10月16日執行就已經提出示警了11月27日還再講一次你看我們雲林最近的是15號說實話公關意外一座位員掉進灰島"},{"start":29242.222,"end":29262.021,"text":"稍為會員買請就不至那之前是是掉在那麼空來的也不至然後又有掉在那個那個那個熱射場的一個再再處理的作業進去也也也有生命也不見然後還有那個什麼什麼"},{"start":29263.726,"end":29278.976,"text":"那個應該是升降機升降機其實他安全維護沒有做而且他的可以承載的重量可能是一到兩年結果做了4人結果4人下來全部生命都不見物體飛落了對短短喔短短不到半年時間"},{"start":29280.322,"end":29303.733,"text":"報告委員其實整個國家的職業安全衛生的重大災害死亡人數前年是320個人去年是死了300個人今年我們有機會往下降但是確實一條人命都不能被被折減所以剛才委員講的六七那案子我們第一時間中區、三中區就去檢查它其實是集成室的那個集成裡面都要做清灰作業"},{"start":29304.913,"end":29333.665,"text":"進去作業就忽略了要把做安全母所跟安全帶做比較固潔的處理那這樣子我們就要追究原設單位六金的責任還有車輛車輛的責任這個我們會追究所以整個防災的那個工作其實要一步一步地來這個我們很清楚有一些痛點我們要做一些痛點的打擊所以跟委員講特別是營造業的部分墜落的部分我們認為說要有治安法來做一些更做一些支撐那這樣子我們未來的防災就有一些武器來做展開"},{"start":29336.912,"end":29342.573,"text":"二九六案保留二九六案二九六案是陳議員的提案我同意併動50萬你簽名二九六案併動50萬二九七案"},{"start":29364.707,"end":29385.569,"text":"二將是邱正義委員的提案已經同意改組決議,也簽名二九七案改組決議,二九八案盧憲義委員的同意是併動五十萬,已簽名二九八案併動五十萬,二九九案陳委員的提案經過溝通同意改組決議,也已經簽名了二九九案改組決議三百案"},{"start":29386.448,"end":29390.471,"text":"三百四廖偉祥委員的提案就改組決議。簽名併動一百萬。"},{"start":29406.603,"end":29407.504,"text":"這個病100是跟誰病啊?"},{"start":29427.619,"end":29428.44,"text":"這個是293、294、298、293的木箱"},{"start":29439.647,"end":29443.771,"text":"我們現在這邊再附送一遍就是293、294、296、298並動100萬還有300、300案然後科目呢?科目就293科目"},{"start":29465.689,"end":29467.37,"text":"三零一案三零一案"},{"start":29498.433,"end":29526.918,"text":"好,這樣就照署長您講的但是講真的啦,不要一直跟我講六七很大啦現在也沒有很大了六七可能會面臨減碳跟排碳的壓力很大對,不要再講它很大了六七它其實不同的工程、不同的製程還有現在連電力的發展也在六七有另外一個Project出來我們都在追蹤啦我們希望說從員後管理讓這個六七的安全能夠持續維持零災害啦這個我們會再努力"},{"start":29528.118,"end":29534.32,"text":"三零一案並動十萬三零二案三零二案改組決議三零三案三零三案並動五十萬三零四案三零四案並動五十萬三零五案"},{"start":29558.394,"end":29577.924,"text":"三零一、三零三、三零四、三零一、三零一、三零四、三零四、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零四、三零四、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零四、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一、三零一"},{"start":29583.604,"end":29602.114,"text":"三零五是財務委員的提案。那凍結十萬以簽名。同意凍結十萬以簽名。對。三零五案凍結十萬。三零六。三零六陳委員的提案是同意併動五十萬。三零六併動。他動職業安全衛生業務五十萬。"},{"start":29603.673,"end":29607.536,"text":"他跟308自己的陳委員的案子並動50萬。 306跟308都是陳委員的。那就寫306、308並動50萬。 307陳委員的提案同意動50萬。 307案動50萬。 309案"},{"start":29629.039,"end":29654.704,"text":"三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動五十萬 三零九案併動"},{"start":29659.358,"end":29668.102,"text":"那要怎麼處理?要怎麼處理比較好?有簽的就先照這樣過啦。那明天第二輪的時候再處理啦。好不好?是,謝謝。"},{"start":29685.449,"end":29706.9,"text":"二九五本身是也是根據跟那個劉委員有關於這個營造墜落致死比例一直都無法改善嘛齁所以才這邊希望能夠凍結後來是病棟五十萬嘛所以到底是不是要跟勞運委員的作會雖然科目不是完全一樣"},{"start":29714.246,"end":29726.116,"text":"三零一啊。 三零一啊。 三零一你剛才先保留嘛。 沒有吧。 三零一病棟啊。 病棟十萬。 喔。 病棟十萬。 喔。 這樣就可以病棟沒問題啊。 三零九。"},{"start":29735.254,"end":29740.258,"text":"對阿你是病棟10萬阿對阿295保留阿295保留阿309就病棟50萬病301"},{"start":29758.107,"end":29763.628,"text":"我對不起309其實是比較跟295的劉委員的比較一樣他們都是跟罪弱有關的"},{"start":29779.352,"end":29789.297,"text":"所以,若是那部分還沒有保留的話,那到時候309還是跟著一起處理好不好?"},{"start":29789.297,"end":29792.499,"text":"所以現在是怎樣?"},{"start":29792.499,"end":29794.58,"text":"所以現在是309保留?"},{"start":29794.58,"end":29795,"text":"是,309保留。"},{"start":29799.662,"end":29804.488,"text":"三零九保留三一零三一零他不是有簽有沒有簽"},{"start":29815.253,"end":29816.354,"text":"三一三案是陳議委員的部分主決議已簽名"},{"start":29843.021,"end":29845.662,"text":"313案主決議改組決議314案改組決議315案315跟316是陳昭志委員的"},{"start":29859.048,"end":29878.481,"text":"已經簽名的同意動那個百分之十動百分之十對他是動我們職業安全衛生業務的同意客戶就是動百分之十書面報告兩個315、316都是動百分之十嗎是然後加書面報告好317"},{"start":29884.991,"end":29900.759,"text":"317是陳昌志委員的部分這題跟委員溝通之後我們希望能夠保留所以317保留它其實就是那個法院是防暴電器的經濟部的電業法還有跟經濟有關係所以我要再念一次嗎好那個剛剛310案它的科目改成職業安全衛生業務"},{"start":29918.763,"end":29927.888,"text":"三一八三一八召喚通過三一九三一九召喚通過三二零三二零的部分是盧委員的提案盧委員已經同意改為主決議並且已經簽名"},{"start":29944.073,"end":29948.598,"text":"三二一是書委員蘇清泉他剛有提到策案那已經簽名"},{"start":29950.206,"end":29969.214,"text":"簽名是怎樣簽名撤案撤案好好321撤案322324陳昭之委員他也同意撤案322同意撤案是323323是陳金輝委員的提案他有同意改為主決議也已經簽名323改主決議324324陳寅委員的提案委員已經"},{"start":29975.197,"end":29985.802,"text":"同意改為主決議並且簽名三二五是賴會員委員的提案已經同意改為主決議文字修正改為三個月內委員也已經簽名三二六是陳金輝委員的提案修改為動一萬元"},{"start":30001.653,"end":30028.147,"text":"動一萬然後三個月提書面報告那委員也已經簽名好326案動一萬好327327是召委的提案我們遵照辦理327召案通過328328也是王委員的提案是主決於我們遵照辦理好328召案通過329"},{"start":30032.404,"end":30053.836,"text":"那329召委的部分已經同意就是動100萬那已簽署好329凍結100萬對那330跟331這是水電的部分那因為委員不在是保留好330保留331保留332那蘇委員的提案那已經改組決議已經同意"},{"start":30054.036,"end":30061.44,"text":"好332改組決議333333也是蘇委員的蘇昭偉的已經同意改為組決議並已經簽署333改組決議334334是林業勤委員的那林業勤委員已經改為組決議那已經簽署334、335保留334、335保留336336是陳寅委員的那已經同意改列20萬科目自行調整那已簽署"},{"start":30083.064,"end":30093.506,"text":"簡略20萬科目自行調整336簡略20科目自行調整337陳委員的部分已經同意改為主決議已經簽署337改為主決議338換英委員的已經同意改為主決議已經簽署338改為主決議339陳委員的部分已經同意改動50萬那3個月提出報告已經簽署"},{"start":30111.075,"end":30134.514,"text":"好339改動50萬科目自行調整340340也是水電的部分是保留好340保留那341是劉建國委員的部分那劉建國委員是比較關切說對於霸凌的部分那研究所有沒有做相關的研究那這個部分我們跟委員辦公室溝通是我們有做過相類似的職場上勞工"},{"start":30136.676,"end":30159.096,"text":"指揮勞工列北的一些職場霸凌那委員辦公室是說可以同意改為主決議但必須要在三個月裡面去提相關的研究報告給委員辦公室三四一改組決議沒有誰同意你了我們說希望改為主決議不是同意你剛剛講的是說我辦公室同意你啊三個月改善的不好意思講太快"},{"start":30160.077,"end":30186.204,"text":"是跟辦公室溝通是希望搞一個主決於那三個月沒有人這樣講你怎麼可以這樣講喔是是是是那不是講太快喔喔好好對不起對不起欸欸欸你怎麼可以這樣誰同意你講講這樣說三個月的改善啊你沒有你為什麼可以這麼講沒有這太扯了吧我人在這邊我的助理都在這邊誰跟他承諾這種事情沒有的話你怎麼可以這麼講"},{"start":30187.649,"end":30211.86,"text":"這個怎麼叫講太快?你自己上面寫整個辦理工作生活平衡與友善職場研究然後勞資關係與勞動條件研究我就問你們研究什麼嘛?你們的霸凌定義是怎樣?你應該對我解釋這個事情你怎麼在講似是而非的話沒有人答應你怎麼在這種公開的場合講這種話"},{"start":30218.227,"end":30228.095,"text":"好啦 因為大家也累了啦 因為大家也累了啦 所以你讓他說明一下啦 再讓他說明一次 好不好"},{"start":30233.288,"end":30248.018,"text":"好那不好意思委員齁因為可能是真的是活路太快了齁那就是說我們是有相關的一些霸凌的一個研究啦齁那如果可以的話我們就是再把詳細的一些研究成果的部分再跟委員這邊來做報告"},{"start":30251.485,"end":30265.459,"text":"主席我就照委員有的提案三檢五十、凍結一百等他那個相關的報告提出來看那個報告之後如果可以的話再同意他那個凍結再給他解凍還是先保留不可以三檢不要部長三四一"},{"start":30275.151,"end":30288.82,"text":"好了,不然先保留啦,好不好?好啦,你要先保留我不意見啦,跟阿平我也是這樣處理,因為他不跟大英的事,他在這公開說,我覺得這不可以處理乾脆,聽不是我們聽不是你聽,要一天你一天去審啊。好啦,部長先說明"},{"start":30291.926,"end":30310.3,"text":"那個好先跟先跟留言說明其實關於霸凌的定義其實我們這次在這個北分數的調查報告裡面其實討論非常非常多那後來我們其實也找了包括我們外部委員跟專家學者後來怎麼樣在不管是國內的"},{"start":30311.781,"end":30329.51,"text":"一些判決或者是國際上面重要的文件包括有一些國際上面其他國家的案例公約學說其實我們做了一個調整那我確實是覺得我們的老安所安所是有需要把這些相關國際上面的資料其實做一個比較完整的收集"},{"start":30330.37,"end":30356.495,"text":"來讓我們的業務單位如果要來做下一個階段重要的判定的時候能夠用得上我覺得這個專業上面其實是需要的啦齁那只是希望這個可以請委員這邊來諒解一下說我覺得動動那個動動的部分我沒我沒有特別意見啦但是希望盡量能不能夠減少刪減或者不要刪減那我們我會來要求IN所這邊針對這方面的研究"},{"start":30357.319,"end":30369.486,"text":"應該要準備的更及時或者是更專業跟國際的這些相關的研究要落定但是這部分確實也不只是安眠所包括治安署這邊其實會需要這兩個所這兩個單位其實一起來合作這樣子"},{"start":30371.38,"end":30397.767,"text":"好,部長你就在講了啦齁,我接受部長的講法啦齁,其實很多我們要參照國際的相關的一些這樣的一個解釋啦還是實例啦齁,都可以。再講來源所應該早就有這些案了啦,不會我們現在發生這個事情,到現在還沒有。我剛剛是在講說,有跟我報室溝通是一件很好的事情,但是沒有去做任何承諾他就不應該講。我覺得這是很,而且我人在現場,兩個助理都在現場。"},{"start":30401.009,"end":30425.028,"text":"這個我覺得是很不好的。 你就要講動照動了。 有沒有跟他三五十萬就比照你剛剛那個案一樣三十萬。 就這樣了好不好。 好OK。 好謝謝委員齁。 那三四... 等一下等一下等一下。 減十萬。 三四一減列十萬。"},{"start":30428.115,"end":30452.086,"text":"三四二案?三四二陳清輝委員的部分已經改為主決議已經簽署三四二案改主決議三四三案?三四案也是陳清輝委員的部分已經文字修正改為主決議三四三案改主決議三四四案?那三四四是王育敏委員的部分是改動一百萬那提書跟報告那已經簽署"},{"start":30452.811,"end":30466.464,"text":"三四四案改動一百萬三四五那個盧憲毅委員的部分已經同意改為主決議並簽署三四五改主決議三四六三四六是幻影委員的部分已經同意改為主決議並簽署"},{"start":30467.974,"end":30484.363,"text":"三四六改組決議三四七三四七是代會委員的部分已經同意改為組決議並已經簽署好三四七案改組決議好那我們公務預算的部分第一輪第一輪先好OK好那我們現在來審那個"},{"start":30487.934,"end":30498.599,"text":"勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案總共有委員提案一案好先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見"},{"start":30509.264,"end":30525.48,"text":"委員這個這個案子那個我們有跟蘇清泉委員這個報告過那他同意我們這個改列為這個主決議並且已經簽名好那這個這個案就改為主決議"},{"start":30527.304,"end":30545.414,"text":"好那先做以下決議勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案已經審查完略提報提好那先等一下"},{"start":30559.216,"end":30559.416,"text":"主席"},{"start":30575.269,"end":30588.714,"text":"議事就可以加沒問題不然你自己就加了不然為什麼這時候不加兩位部長都說聽一下剛才你不要講什麼所以後來就想"},{"start":30615.81,"end":30623.737,"text":"劉委員你太重要了好就這裡"},{"start":30627.111,"end":30653.622,"text":"先做以下決議勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案已經審查完略提報院會討論院會討論前是否須提交黨團協商那院會討論那大家是不是有意見"},{"start":30656.178,"end":30658.2,"text":"主決議嗎?二輪後再弄吧你說這個主決議先嗎?財團法人的那個"},{"start":30687.184,"end":30689.965,"text":"現在請宣讀財團法人主決議文字修正部分。"},{"start":30704.079,"end":30724.939,"text":"第一案,原請該中心因加強人事費之執行,完整聘雇高階主管人員,並積極辦理職災勞工一站式服務,重建之家之事辦,宣讀完畢。好,那現在沒有意見了吧?"},{"start":30735.959,"end":30737.32,"text":"提報院會討論,那院會討論前是否需交黨團協商?"},{"start":30757.875,"end":30758.555,"text":"關於勞動部主管公務預算"},{"start":30787.992,"end":30812.181,"text":"上位審查完略,明天早上...還有嗎?你保留的部分要再讓一次。我保留其他的會很快。對對對,剛剛不是有講。他們很多是剛起先剛開始他們是保留協商。對。"},{"start":30814.162,"end":30834.075,"text":"對啊 那個時候我還提醒你們今天早上很多保留協商你們應該要再去溝通一下我跟你講你們保留協商如果被三一大堆齁你們基金你們就死定了我跟你講真的我們是保留我們在下一輪討論對不對大家都要討論空間你們去同意保留協商去那邊被三一大堆然後在這邊跟我在支柱比較"},{"start":30837.076,"end":30843.077,"text":"我們當然會希望能夠爭取多溝通的機會一輪兩輪三輪我們都希望溝通所以只要能夠有溝通機會的我會請我們的同仁都盡力的再去溝通"},{"start":30859.386,"end":30886.404,"text":"就算剛剛有幾位委員他是直接講說他就是要保留協商但我還是會想請我的同仁還是要去跟委員敲門好能溝通的盡量溝通除非他真的除非人真的是拒絕我們任何溝通的可能性但是只要能夠溝通我們都在溝通這個這個部分我想我們的我的態度就是這樣子好不好對好那呃劉委員保留的部分我們先從頭開始哈好謝謝"},{"start":30898.538,"end":30912.727,"text":"就只有我保留也有?不會吧?是因為你本來保留我明天第二輪啦那因為你是說還是你要等到明天第二輪?不用吧?你還有明天第二輪?對啊"},{"start":30919.062,"end":30926.005,"text":"好啦,那你就全部把它簽組決議或者是併動,這樣就不用再討論啦。 不行不行。"},{"start":30935.868,"end":30951.115,"text":"主席我136我先講一下136我就同意併案好不好然後一個月內提交送我們委員會來做書面報告之後使得動之好不好竟同意後使得動之喔136誰的?竟同意後使得動之喔136併 併 併 併 併 併誰啊?對啦 併 併 併誰?"},{"start":30967.475,"end":30967.495,"text":"133、134、135好136並動10萬"},{"start":30986.923,"end":31012.055,"text":"好,168案,主席168案,對啊,剛剛是有跟我解釋不過我一直期待是這樣啦齁我是用,我這邊寫得很清楚啦就是我們面對一百一千零四八萬的這個投保的這個被保險人齁那全國只有24處的辦事處我覺得是一直不夠啦"},{"start":31015.598,"end":31033.338,"text":"這個我可以不去給你動啦齁但是你是不是看到什麼一個改善的方案你健保署也比你們多應該一倍以上健保署然後健保署又可以跟那個公所"},{"start":31035.011,"end":31045.991,"text":"來做相關的一些連結那勞保局應該是要與時俱進吧能不能擴充還是跟地方的這個公所區公所還是鄉鎮市公所"},{"start":31048.171,"end":31049.832,"text":"公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管"},{"start":31073.873,"end":31101.898,"text":"這個規模是覺得,也不是只有雲林縣遇到啊,全國接染嘛。你到現在只有24處,這個已經多久了。那為什麼健保署他可以...剛剛我那邊有個資料。健保署有...當然那個收入的規模不一樣啦齁。其實這個5千多的,現在9千多嘛。過去健保的時候也是5千多的啦。但是他的那個辦事處還有相關的一些服務的地方,就比你..."},{"start":31103.502,"end":31105.003,"text":"勞動部主管應該是兩倍還是三倍?"},{"start":31105.003,"end":31105.384,"text":"應該是兩倍還是三倍?"},{"start":31105.384,"end":31106.004,"text":"應該是兩倍還是三倍?"},{"start":31106.004,"end":31126.98,"text":"應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 應該是兩倍還是三倍 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那至於委員這部分我們的文字再做修正。 然後就剛才所提的一個面向我們文字修正後給委員這邊再跟我們做一些指正。 OK啊。 OK好。 OK是怎樣?"},{"start":31276.952,"end":31277.933,"text":"就是改組決議。 改組決議。 改組決議。 168案改組決議。 然後18再來是180。 180。"},{"start":31291.521,"end":31298.123,"text":"1800原本是動100嘛,可是他這邊建立改動為,就是同意併案凍結啦好不好。 好,謝謝委員。 180案併案凍結,動100。 是嗎?"},{"start":31298.123,"end":31300.244,"text":"180案。 併案凍結50,保險業務。 180案併案凍結50。 保險業務,對。 提書面報告。 好。"},{"start":31319.268,"end":31338.579,"text":"我剛剛有講過了我就不再追溯了謝謝委員189對你到雖然是50萬而已不是同意併案凍結嘛對不對對阿你們到時候報告你不要不要那個報告就是你自己也沒有辦法接受報告好謝謝189189也併案嗎189189就改組決議189改組決議"},{"start":31350.851,"end":31371.423,"text":"二零九我沒有二零九有跟委員報告二零九您所關心的是那個勞動力發展署跟員工的這個猜情還有員工協助方案要檢討還有經濟相關申訴機制作為等等所以有提要刪減一般行政一百萬並且凍結五百萬有這個案子"},{"start":31375.812,"end":31383.554,"text":"這個人家給你動300你要怎麼處理是可不可以請委員同意這個案子可不可以併210案王玉敏委員的案子一起併動300萬好了就併動了謝謝OK好謝謝205就併案凍結300好209案併動300萬"},{"start":31400.283,"end":31405.047,"text":"處理率多少?295?對,剛剛301我就讓你直接這樣處理,冰暗的啦,你這個我還是覺得"},{"start":31413.635,"end":31430.421,"text":"委員我們的營造業的部分不是啦不是啦不是啦剛剛你那個有一個成員給我解釋營造業理由是寫這樣啦但是剛剛我就用雲林的案例講給你聽那個已經看你看多種類比的行業都出了這種墜落事件是"},{"start":31432.342,"end":31449.039,"text":"寫單文是寫營造就已經占一半以上嘛其實你看我剛剛念的一個是六清它也不叫營造業啊對不對然後上一次那個是在那個是在那個是在垃圾的掩埋場再上一次是在那個玉瓣土泥土廠"},{"start":31450.06,"end":31468.902,"text":"然後再上一次的那個應該在什麼樣的那個應該才是營造有的是營造一個墜落有的是捲腳有的是滾落有的是倒崩塌災害類型我們都會做災害的分析跟找對阿你們的人到我辦公室來講的時候我們提醒說你這個事情不要再發生了結果一講完之後不到兩天就發生了"},{"start":31470.864,"end":31492.34,"text":"議員6、7的時候第一時間我們周區治安中心的主任就帶同仁去現場做檢查這是我們職災害部門我們都會嚴格的處理現在關鍵重點是怎麼讓我們的層層的業主或是主管能夠更關心我們安全衛生包括我們行為人的一些落實所以我們這些治安法我們希望說能夠得到送進來之後有關"},{"start":31494.241,"end":31495.822,"text":"議員：立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算"},{"start":31516.75,"end":31532.2,"text":"那有關營造會的部分我是說是不是可以請委員我們再寫一個比較明確的那個減災的那個策略的報告讓你能夠來知悉我們的目前的做法跟策略因為這個應該也是中長期的戰場我們要去逐年來降低了"},{"start":31537.904,"end":31548.487,"text":"就看跟誰並動了好不好是是那你還是提出那個書面報告之後我這邊一定要看你的報告文之後我才會通知的好不好那我是請委員對不起我們這個劉委員這個案子並293、294、296以及剛才我們王正宇委員的309並動100萬那我們提書面報告來跟委員做說明好謝謝委員謝謝王委員謝謝"},{"start":31564.332,"end":31568.499,"text":"就是那個295的案子是病293、294、296跟309病棟100萬"},{"start":31574.966,"end":31590.922,"text":"就是完整會的事,309沒有錯嗎?對,剛才王委員有說保留,對,309那個劉委員的就先這樣子啦,他明天處理完之後要明天再因為王委員在這邊,他309他也同意,是,是,是對,謝謝,謝謝王委員,謝謝劉委員"},{"start":31606.53,"end":31629.205,"text":"那還有嗎?有委員?還有嗎?沒有了?有委員沒了?要再唸一次嗎?署長你剛剛那個病的部分你再唸一次好不好?"},{"start":31635.839,"end":31651.399,"text":"二九四、二九五、二九六、三零九並動一百萬二九八跟三百"},{"start":31658.889,"end":31669.441,"text":"二九三、二九四、二九五、二九六、二九八、三百、三零九。病棟一百萬。不好意思,稍微,謝謝你,謝謝各位。"},{"start":31688.365,"end":31698.332,"text":"中華民國114年度中央政府總預算關於勞動部主管公務預算尚未審查完略明天星期四早上9點繼續審查現在休息"},{"start":31716.568,"end":31717.049,"text":"我想出46分"},{"start":31745.094,"end":31753.592,"text":"議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員"},{"start":31780.74,"end":31792.591,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案。"},{"start":31802.051,"end":31809.253,"text":"劉俊國委員當136他病患凍結,他剛剛顧著劉俊國委員,我們還欠勞給劉俊國委員,因為他有同意主決議的那個我們,但今天18年以後你沒有理由,反正這已經結束了。"},{"start":31827.132,"end":31828.453,"text":"請勞動部主管提供報告。"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}