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我們從小到大你說學前的保母會可能估計要佔七十四萬大學的學會要五十四萬從零到十八歲的生活一百八十萬"},{"start":375.982,"end":392.688,"text":"然後大學呢還要再升回720萬養一個小孩人家估計要668萬但是政府也做了很多啊托育補助7000到13000啊對不對有公費疫苗啊高中以下全部學會全免啊政府這麼多其實民眾應該有感但是我建議一個我們往下看"},{"start":393.459,"end":414.674,"text":"你如果說十萬塊喔 你說要花錢的孩子 人家說花不去啊你說建貨你十萬塊做過來 你覺得民眾聽了會怎麼樣欸 建貨我十萬塊做過來 你知道以前坐月子很辛苦對不對是啊 但現在有坐月子中心嘛 師傅長 有沒有你知不知道行情多這 一個月就差不多十萬啦"},{"start":416.108,"end":428.115,"text":"所以院長 兩位部長很辛苦推了很多福國利民的政策又是有利人民的宣傳上好的政策我們支持但是你要讓民眾有感嘛你說寫一個給你十萬 還是說你做過來我給你十萬你說得最好 部長你覺得呢"},{"start":434.339,"end":461.416,"text":"跟委員報告 確實在這個讓民眾真正有感的說法上我們可以來好好的調整說法黃部長呢你還單身啦 還沒有小孩啦其實這當然是給多一點的經濟支持可是我們同時也推出了比方說職場的彈性 漁業流停的彈性也包括接下來可能會有一些托育政策的更進一步的強化我覺得它是一整體的確實不是只是看那個數量好 謝謝兩位部長 可以請回院長"},{"start":464.078,"end":489.276,"text":"楊委員你剛剛那個想法日前我聽你提過我覺得非常的有創意那聽你提過就知道我們很多的想法也在從您說的這個角度開始來做一些思考 感謝其實人民希望很多的政策跟政府的想法不一樣 譬如說我們來看一下吧大南方新矽谷 你覺得民眾怎麼想大壹雞店要來了啦高雄 屏東搶著歡迎台積電換成你是縣市首長 你會不會去爭取台積電來"},{"start":490.983,"end":518.835,"text":"我們各縣市首長在招商的工作當中都非常的邁向 都在爭取嘛但是我們跨過來想地方政府營養的台積電當地的居民得到什麼他們有得到台積電的工作嗎 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我們也沒有湯就湯也沒有湯就辣是不是讓年輕人年輕人要賺第一桶金一百萬你覺得估計要幾年"},{"start":628.666,"end":648.641,"text":"五年跑不掉啦很認真啊如果說今天我們政府台積電在屏東設廠台糖增加租金收益我們就發行用區塊鏈限定用途讓這個一百萬他不會偶然開他要租房子他要買房子他要請保姆他要給政府什麼給他用賣你覺得可不可以來考量一下作為專案"},{"start":649.864,"end":663.36,"text":"我們事業單位整個的營運都有它的法定營運設計跟機制沒關係我請國發會主委來幫你因為他是來自中華經濟研究院他這個問題有研究我請國發會主委來所以我們再下來看那個次長請回"},{"start":666.366,"end":680.001,"text":"我們再也請財政部長也準備其實現在年輕人成家是一個壓力年輕人希望有加薪但是我們過去有一個中小企業發展條例過去訂到現在財政部長待會回答一下"},{"start":681.363,"end":700.782,"text":"說如果老闆幫員工加薪他的營所稅可以再加薪175%加100塊可以抵175塊的營利事業所得我想請教部長從實施以來你有聽到哪個企業說我幫員工加薪來抵我的營所稅的有沒有聽說"},{"start":701.643,"end":715.481,"text":"跟委員報告 在之前中小企業發展條例在修正之前它的條件是比較嚴苛後修正後呢修正後門檻放低了然後其實會有加成那當然這個部分還要再補充效果不好啦 其實齁"},{"start":716.813,"end":732.09,"text":"過去國民黨團也要提議啊他乾脆說政交法因為上市會公司比較有錢他說呢 要修改公司章程公司有賺錢 盈餘優先來幫員工加薪明年要實施 我等著看好不好為什麼台灣的企業老闆賺錢不幫員工加薪你有沒有講過 我給你看"},{"start":732.824,"end":751.905,"text":"因為呢 獲利啊 如果我幫他加薪 我員工領一部分員工領一百塊 多一百塊 多一千塊 多一萬的薪水老闆要多付什麼 勞保 健保 勞退 這些他一起付而且呢 以後一旦加了 就一直要付但是老闆喜歡發什麼 發獎金發獎金 員工十領十 我發十萬獎金 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三百四十五億發不出去"},{"start":891.937,"end":913.344,"text":"有人說到底要怎麼發 要修法 我覺得不要再修了這三百四十億 我們找一個有意義的往下看我們現在最辛苦的是領國民年金的人 一個月領不到四千塊老農金還有八千一百一十元 可是有將近四十萬人如果說讓他領足五千 根據今明年的建議只要兩百二十三億"},{"start":914.224,"end":941.656,"text":"所以說 財化法這個錢啊 我們就留下來幫全部老農 那個國民年金領不到八千的人 幫他補足我覺得這個建議很可行可不可以請院長指示一下相關部會研究一下 可不可以依法上面來這樣使用有他的 有他的這個在法律上的不足因為 這個是統籌分配稅款統籌分配稅款中間也不能用現在發布出去 地方也不能用整個雙重的"},{"start":948.223,"end":948.606,"text":"好 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移給別人。院長，是不是請我們主委去研究一下？老闆幫員工加薪，讓老闆自己未來的遺贈稅可以造福自己，意思就是做功德啦！老闆替別人的孩子加薪水，以後自己的孩子要繼承，政府就給他優待，院長要不要考慮一下？"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的建議。政府長年來推動減稅減負擔，這個理念就是我們一直希望建立一個更合理的稅制，人民跟政府之間會因為這樣而更加的信任，所以您剛剛提的建議，從整個稅制的改變也採用這個方式來進行。"],["鍾委員佳濱：來研究一下，好不好？最後一個，這次財劃法一個低級錯誤，345億發不出去，有人說到底要怎麼發？要修法？我覺得不要再修了，對這345億，我們找一個有意義的用途，現在最辛苦的是領國民年金的人，一個月領不到4,000元，老農津貼還有8,110元，將近40萬人如果讓他領足5,000元，根據經民連的建議只要223億，所以財劃法這個錢就留下來幫國民年金領不到8,000的人來補足，我覺得這個建議很可行，可不可以請院長指示相關部會研究一下，可不可以？"],["卓院長榮泰：於法來這樣使用，有它在法律上的不足。"],["鍾委員佳濱：我們也可以配合修法啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：因為這個是屬於統籌分配稅款，中央不能用，現在發不出去，地方也不能用，整個雙重的……"],["鍾委員佳濱：我們修法讓它變得可以用，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：必須要修一個……"],["鍾委員佳濱：這些訴求請院長、請部長支持，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鍾佳濱委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各部會首長備詢。","容我提醒閣員，所有備詢的官員不要超過3位，因為我們的硬體設備就是適合3位官員，再次提醒一下內閣閣員。","接下來請登記第2號羅智強委員，請質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":62,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-2","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","鍾佳濱","羅智強","張啓楷"],"page_start":17,"meetingDate":["2025-09-30"],"gazette_id":"1147801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147801_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第2次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n行政院院長施政報告並備質詢─進行質詢─","agenda_id":"1147801_00007"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}