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時有。 好。 好。 好。 那我再重複一次齁。 第二案、第四案、第五案、第七案、第十案、第十一案、第十五案、病棟、勞動保險業務60萬元。 是。 是。 是。 謝謝召委。 在接下來第18案。"},{"start":2594.84,"end":2618.396,"text":"第18案是陳金輝委員關心的有關我們的人事費的問題那昨天他已經文字已經修正了簽名了他已經簽名了文字修正然後委員已經同意簽名了改組決議嗎改組決議改組決議第18案改組決議主決議委員已經簽名了好那第19案"},{"start":2625.477,"end":2648.134,"text":"第19案講那個是澄清會委員針對發展所的人力結構的部分是不是就是針對人力結構的部分我們就是會檢討既有的業務來做整併然後按照那個實際業務消長來做一個檢討那有需要的話我們會再跟人事總署爭取請證原額那委員已經"},{"start":2652.523,"end":2679.786,"text":"委員還沒簽名我們等一下再溝通好那第19案就保留協商好第21案好第21案是那個蘇清泉委員的部分那這是針對水電費的部分那委員在現場是不是可以拜託委員就是說如果我們可不可以委員在電話中跟水電費部分的有關的話是第21案"},{"start":2681.127,"end":2692.031,"text":"還有第30案翁曉琳委員的跟第31案廖瑋祥的那可不可以就是說我們並動5%然後提出我們的這個專案那個檢討書面報告後來解凍。蘇委員再講那個。"},{"start":2704.862,"end":2709.584,"text":"蘇委員第21案昨天有保留蘇委員報告委員那個第22案有關那個電費的那個部分可不可以就是說我們"},{"start":2723.389,"end":2739.61,"text":"連同這個30案翁曉琳的委員跟因為都是同樣講電費的部分還有31案廖偉祥委員在現場可不可以就是直接就動並動5%然後我們提出我們的節能的相關報告之後呢解凍"},{"start":2742.714,"end":2743.395,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":2757.774,"end":2776.306,"text":"就不以為然所以我還是要刪就是刪本來想說刪20%那我現在天氣那麼冷了我就全部你們超過100萬的全部刪5%我怕"},{"start":2778.922,"end":2806.64,"text":"好嗎?那個我跟蘇緣說...我...雖然我很知道你在這個上面...你也可以...可以稍微稍微站起來這裡我們經營事業的人喔少個5%是可以接受的啦10%都可以啦那個跟蘇緣...那你有話好我們就好了我們就...我們就都解開了跟蘇緣說...跟蘇緣說明齁其實昨天我再去更清楚的了解其實因為我們每一個所屬他其實增加的幅度不一樣"},{"start":2808.257,"end":2826.279,"text":"那我說其實我我我我現在弄清楚裡面有幾個幾個增加的原因我想跟還是要跟委員報告了吼第一個就是我說之前原本就編不足這是一個第二個電電費當然有增加可是真的我們這次其實包括接下來有好幾個那種我們的分數他的是他的那個訓練場"},{"start":2827.941,"end":2848.639,"text":"他的因為民眾的需要所以他的業務量會增大或他有新開設新的教室新的班那這真的這個這個電費部分的這個基本的維持我是真的很希望說能不能跟說人表達說我們可以凍結啦那我們可以趕快把這個提升能源效率的報告給交出來"},{"start":2849.707,"end":2866.957,"text":"那我們盡力的在這上面做節約可是因為如果是刪除的話我真的很怕變成是刪到這些民眾所需要的的這些訓練場或者是執訓的中心這個他們的需求我們是真的比較不樂意看到這個狀況所以這部分可不可以跟所有人在爭取說"},{"start":2868.037,"end":2887.084,"text":"能不能我們先用凍結那我們會盡快把節能提高能源效率的經濟的做法的報告趕快提出來這是至少是勞動部能夠做的因為有些部分當然政策上面經濟部怎麼樣這是一個部分可是勞動部能夠做的我們會盡力做啦這樣想跟所有人在做這個部分的爭取可不可以不然就動10%啦"},{"start":2888.605,"end":2904.346,"text":"動10%然後我們提出這個節能精進的做法這樣子好不好因為蘇委員跟這個廖偉祥委員都是一樣的這是31案也是是不是也可以同意動10%我們提出書面報告"},{"start":2905.532,"end":2923.959,"text":"其實我是認為這樣啦我其實是覺得如果你們很很很不想就是很沒辦法接受我們提案我是建議可以保留送協商啊為什麼因為其實我們這樣說有點講其實並不是針對勞動部啊但是我要講這幾年來政府的錯誤能源配比讓左手跟人民"},{"start":2924.719,"end":2931.149,"text":"拿了這個漲電價的錢右手拿了政府撥呃人民納稅錢撥補了3000億那現在呢又再進一步在我們的公部門要調漲電價啊就是電價也是這個從預算去補嗎那全部都是人民的錢嗎"},{"start":2940.023,"end":2967.853,"text":"但是我們的執政黨現在的能源政策還是依然如此所以我覺得第一個不是針對這個真的不是針對我們勞動部但是包含現在的經濟部長還在想要從菲律賓呂宋島運電回來然後他的口頭上還是說這個運電的綠電成本可以是台灣的一半所以我是認為這個東西就是一個凸顯我們中央政府能源政策的問題其實他已經一環一環影響到"},{"start":2969.173,"end":2992.134,"text":"那所以我們是覺得這個部分我覺得可以送協商啦保留送協商我要講一下我們在屏東河山廠我是去了N次了啦最近又去一次我就問河山廠廠長說阿光要看埔里濱那什麼科技人帶北部李宋島那邊重建是真的還假的他說真的"},{"start":2993.393,"end":3015.238,"text":"他說銀包要去了我說那在李松堡北邊種電用光電板然後用海底電纜拉到八旦島然後到恆春從柏蘭比上來然後就接到台電的河山場的輸電系統就供應上來我說這樣可行嗎他說可行"},{"start":3016.829,"end":3019.992,"text":"我說那一度電的成本多少?"},{"start":3019.992,"end":3022.734,"text":"我們經濟部長拍胸脯說四塊啦!四塊!"},{"start":3022.734,"end":3023.395,"text":"你會相信嗎?"},{"start":3023.395,"end":3025.537,"text":"我看你會相信啦!"},{"start":3025.537,"end":3026.778,"text":"其他人我看不相信啦!"},{"start":3026.778,"end":3027.819,"text":"我說電從呂宋島輸到台灣來這樣它會耗損多少?"},{"start":3027.819,"end":3028.799,"text":"耗損!他說要耗損20%以上!"},{"start":3040.373,"end":3063.452,"text":"因為新加坡跑到澳洲去種電因為新加坡沒有地方種所以在波斯那邊種種完的電就用海底電纜輸到新加坡這全世界最誇張的3000公里結果你知道電輸到新加坡耗損多少人嗎50%"},{"start":3066.658,"end":3094.622,"text":"一千多個電器及全國發動這樣人是國不自重這樣這裡是可以改善的我們這河山場就可以繼續繼續繼續發電我就只是覺得不曉得是什麼邏輯然後燒石化燃料又貴石化燃料像現在天氣那麼冷今天OMT又沒有太陽能因為我們屏東高雄最清澈現在都是燒火火力跟瓦斯"},{"start":3095.422,"end":3098.945,"text":"現在實話,現在燒實話差不多佔70幾%那這樣就大家付出慘重的生命、身體PM2.5"},{"start":3108.147,"end":3128.114,"text":"會腺癌、不孕症、心血管疾病都來了沒有人這樣搞的啦所以這個是一個政策錯誤不是你們然後已經跟立法院通過要錢要錢部長都在做留意也知道一千億、一千億、一千億這樣在討一間討三千億啊還在這邊、還在去、還在賬電費我說說我們事業單位白天"},{"start":3136.997,"end":3149.88,"text":"那個夏季電會的時候一度白天的電是八塊多那晚上半夜兩塊多那你總不能叫人家半夜去開刀吧我都排你半夜開刀你要嗎?"},{"start":3149.88,"end":3163.804,"text":"要心肝扁啊所以白天都是用最貴的電所以這個真的是胡搞瞎搞像今天這樣我冰凍起來到這裡都黑暗光電板幾乎零"},{"start":3165.533,"end":3193.345,"text":"現在都在燒石花,現在喔我們現在在照明什麼都用石花所以跟勞動部一點關係沒有所以這是一個一個要跟經濟部強烈的抗議的所以柏中這不是你的事啦那個我不是那個那個所以我是想要說的事情是說因為剛剛因為廖永剛才有提到嘛齁"},{"start":3194.145,"end":3216.178,"text":"我為什麼比較擔心這個案子就是說送協商因為協商真的到時候案量非常非常大是幾千案其實每案都很難好好討論很難細緻的討論那我們在委員會裡面是可以比較細緻的討論狀況的但是真的勞動部相關的所屬其實有很多是民眾會直接來洽公的地方"},{"start":3217.844,"end":3221.547,"text":"議員：立法院第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會"},{"start":3243.218,"end":3265.467,"text":"報告才使得動智我因為我們這裡面有好幾個跟水電有關的部分我是希望說能不能都爭取跟書委員的這個提案相同的狀況啦我主我的我想要再多補充的是這一點好不好嗯謝謝部長的回應喔第一個其實這裡我也看到一個我本來說明欄也有個就是我認為奇怪的地方喔其實今年你們增列了110萬"},{"start":3269.548,"end":3278.256,"text":"但是其實在112年的時候呢到113年度是減劣了170萬所以如果你都說是因為電價調漲的話那其實這個邏輯上會有點不太通這是第一點"},{"start":3284.862,"end":3307.785,"text":"第二點還是一樣就是說他基本上為什麼要送協商因為他是有關於整個中央政府的我們認為的這個電在這個能源政策上面的問題所以我覺得我想不只我們的部會遇到這個問題各委員會應該都有類似的狀況所以我想這個東西就是保有一併的協商到時候應該是整體的考量謝謝"},{"start":3309.097,"end":3320.31,"text":"我可以補充剛剛委員講的剛剛委員講的是第34案的部分事實上這個部分我們經費本來就是有關一些一般行政的部分有關通訊、電話費、郵資本來都是就是說由各司處來編列"},{"start":3327.398,"end":3343.049,"text":"但是就是說在113年的時候為了統籌運用把各司處編列類似的東西通通都挪移到由秘書處來編列所以金額都沒有增加只是把我編列的地方做了一些調整整併以對預算能夠有更縱觀性的理解"},{"start":3346.311,"end":3371.557,"text":"那這個案子跟33案翁曉琳的委員提的是一樣那翁曉琳委員有提到說希望我們能夠準結支出所以昨天也跟翁曉琳委員提到說360萬動10萬那有沒有可能33案跟34案就是併3併動就是說以化解委員對這件事的疑慮但是這部分跟水電費沒有關你不要自己跳到什麼34案、35案我們現在在講21案"},{"start":3373.377,"end":3376.479,"text":"好,你不要自己這樣跳來跳去,我們這樣怎麼做記錄啊?"},{"start":3376.479,"end":3380.701,"text":"對啊,剛剛就21案就21案啦那21案就病棟10%嗎?可不可以還是想爭取能夠病棟10%啦好不好,就是這個我說水電費的部分"},{"start":3398.632,"end":3414.223,"text":"那我們會盡快把那個提高能源效率的這個報告趕快精進的報告趕快提出來那我們很樂意在這幫部分接受國會的監督那你們什麼時候會"},{"start":3416.232,"end":3417.652,"text":"提出經濟能源的報告嗎?"},{"start":3417.652,"end":3422.394,"text":"我們會盡快,因為現在也會找一些專業者來給我們建議。 我們會找這些經濟部委託的一些節能的一些比如說綠基會、產基會來幫我們。 現在如果併動10%是動了多少?"},{"start":3422.394,"end":3422.894,"text":"併動10%的話大概是200萬左右。"},{"start":3445.219,"end":3467.837,"text":"那其實跟現在減劣100跟凍結100差不多啊但是為什麼要減劣還是一樣減劣就不能再用了啊減劣的話就不能再用我知道我說總金額差不多嘛但是為什麼要減劣的點就還是一樣嘛就是希望在這一塊可以給你們更大的壓力進速去節能總不能夠一直拿人民的納稅錢在各個方面嘛對不對"},{"start":3468.177,"end":3481.664,"text":"那個我們我們在節能跟提高能力效率我們一定會盡力的做可是因為簡略就變他是不能夠使用所以我們很希望是用凍結就凍結10%的方式然後來去處理這個問題因為這裡面"},{"start":3484.085,"end":3507.057,"text":"接下來水電費的部分委員還有很多提案但我們是希望這個做法其實也是一個可以有效督促我們去做能源效率提升的做法我們也會我們其實一定這部分好好做可是不需要去撿到總金額因為撿到總金額真的有時候會攸關到一些民眾相關的權益因為這真的是一個只是一個基本的基本的行政上面的維持對"},{"start":3511.059,"end":3538.426,"text":"因為第一線舊福站要開 欸不要擒勒我對不起好啦那就要併動百分之十啊好謝謝委員謝謝委員所以你們要怎麼併21案跟30跟31我確認一下那個因為是同樣的案子30案翁小林委員如果沒有在現場可以這樣做嗎就是跟水電部分的有關的部分是21案30案"},{"start":3540.56,"end":3541.602,"text":"公務及基金預算"},{"start":3558.209,"end":3577.66,"text":"蘇委員那個第30案因為30案是那個温小林委員但是是蘇委員透過蘇委員這邊來處理的所以可不可以就是21案然後30案跟31案3個都是病動10%然後提出節能的書面報告後經同意好提出"},{"start":3586.362,"end":3588.444,"text":"經委員會同意後解凍。"},{"start":3598.72,"end":3622.414,"text":"科目是主案號是第30案是嗎?主案號是第3?主案號21號案號是21案的書圈前委員第30案的翁小玲委員第31案的要求就是說你病棟是要病棟哪一案的?病棟這三個案子病棟21案"},{"start":3627.006,"end":3629.208,"text":"一般行政基本行政維持那個科目對嘿好"},{"start":3644.065,"end":3668.566,"text":"那個趙偉可不可以我們就是在因為這幾個案等於都是他都是水電費嗎對就是等於是在水電費的這個子科目下都是都是動10萬都10%就是動10%因為他可能在不同的項目動一般行政科目上啊這就不是病棟啦對"},{"start":3672.381,"end":3683.065,"text":"好,併動改科目。改一般行政。一般行政哈。委員不好意思,我們整理好以後再跟我們...11多,11多的10%?4000多萬喔?幾億喔?所以是在不同科目裡面動,這是一個併動的概念喔?"},{"start":3701.713,"end":3718.961,"text":"處長因為他是在不同的科目下面就沒有辦法併動啦可以改科目"},{"start":3720.273,"end":3737.307,"text":"那就是病棟水電費但是翁曉琳委員是透過蘇清泉委員來的可以啦就水電費啊是不是病棟那個主案號是30案"},{"start":3744.509,"end":3745.29,"text":"好,那在這邊宣告齁"},{"start":3771.789,"end":3799.21,"text":"二十一案三十案三十一案並動百分之十那主案號是三十案對好是好第二十二案好第二十二案的部分是蘇清泉委員有關特別費的部分那昨天溝通的結果是二十二案蘇清泉的委員就是比較這個就是凍結百分之十然後提出報告後解凍"},{"start":3801.499,"end":3811.246,"text":"第22案凍結10%然後對提出書面報告後解凍然後23案也是凍結23案圖權及委員也是凍結10%提出書面報告後解凍好23案凍結10%24案23案沒有收到簽署喔那個圖委員圖委員沒來齁沒有沒有圖委員沒來"},{"start":3831.7,"end":3849.55,"text":"我報告一下因為昨天圖委員跟蘇清泉委員說這一些通通都是由陳昭芝委員的決定當成大家共同的決定所以陳昭芝委員說只要我們就是相關的他所提案的內容提出書面報告後統一凍結10%的特別費那圖委員要簽啊"},{"start":3854.072,"end":3875.484,"text":"好我們現在正在正在我們正在正在做處理這樣子剛剛寫的那現在那個底下25262728對那個那個稍微不好意思我做一點我特別費的部分我做一點說明好不好我知道大家其實擔心現在是特別費所謂會不會有怎麼樣送禮的問題"},{"start":3876.789,"end":3905.39,"text":"那我想跟包括在場的委員說明我其實一度原本跟我業務單位說乾脆乾脆在特別費的問題上面我們乾脆我就說這我不用特別費送禮了但是後來我們其實一些屁股工廠還跟我們說他其實還是很需要這個希望能夠我們能夠用這個在送禮的部分或者是有如果有需要的話還是希望這對屁股工廠一些支持所以我在這邊我可以很明確的"},{"start":3906.69,"end":3930.09,"text":"在這邊跟大家說明關於特別費如果有要送禮物部分我絕對只會送屁屋工廠的產品就送我們所屬的屁屋工廠的產品那不會有別的如果要做其他的禮品的贈送的話不會有其他的部分去買其他的禮品絕對不會只會送屁屋工廠的產品那這當然是因為希望能夠對我們屁屋工廠的支持"},{"start":3930.891,"end":3954.611,"text":"那這部分我覺得我可以在這邊委員會跟委員們如果有對於特別費的使用過去有疑慮的話我在這裡可以做這樣的說明好不好這樣子那現在所以在跟陳道芝委員在說那陳委員有簽嗎陳陳陳所以還要先保留嗎"},{"start":3956.215,"end":3970.722,"text":"就是全部保留所以跟委員報告因為是現在剛剛協調的結果現在拿去簽那是不是先保留等到委員簽完之後所以現在是23、24"},{"start":3973.323,"end":3979.566,"text":"23、24、2526已經簽署了26已經改組決議了27、28就先保留27案的話也是先保留我們先請委員簽名之後再送過來這樣子還有22案也是特別費"},{"start":4002.5,"end":4006.242,"text":"那個蘇委員呢?22案有簽嗎?還沒,我們現在等到全部簽完之後一併報告所以"},{"start":4019.848,"end":4039.385,"text":"二十二案保留二十三案保留二十四案保留二十五案保留二十六案改組決議二十七案保留二十八案保留對,都是特別費上面都是特別費然後我們等一下會簽"},{"start":4047.471,"end":4052.334,"text":"三十三案是翁曉琳委員的部分先保留"},{"start":4068.138,"end":4095.988,"text":"對,34案的部分就是剛剛跟廖委員報告的就是33案跟34案是類似的那是不是可以就是360萬然後運動10萬但是這部分我昨天已經說保留送協商了這部分我昨天已經說保留送協商了所以34案要保留送協商然後這部分我也想要再另外請教一下部長"},{"start":4097.429,"end":4120.083,"text":"因為我們昨天的我的提案啊和昨天我們的協商應該是說等有關於基金審查的部分應該說等審計部的報告出來之後還有我們勞動部的檢討報告後再經委員會同意再開始審吧審基金預算啊可是剛剛你好像回答媒體的是說等審計部出來你就要開始審了"},{"start":4122.406,"end":4138.932,"text":"因為我的理解是昨天好像是講說是等審計部報告大家對那五千多萬可是我昨天提案我有講得很清楚啊這個提案我昨天有說啊就是說是代檢討報告送出後交叉比對審計部之做的審核報告那金委員會同意再來審計金預算嗎"},{"start":4139.492,"end":4163.601,"text":"委員我們昨天在底下有協商就是說昨天是基金暫時不審嘛好基金暫時不審那當然就是說我們就是那個審計部的那個報告出來之後我們再請那個那個勞動部這邊所以就是勞動部要一併有檢討報告嗎跟他比對之後檢討報告之後這樣我們才知道還是一樣嗎就是我們要審這個基金預算還是要知道貓膩到底在哪"},{"start":4164.221,"end":4187.237,"text":"啊不然我們還是會遇到一樣的問題啊就是審過了之後發生什麼事我們搞不清楚那這會有一個很大的嚴重影響就是說對於各個科目我們會需要了解什麼在審查預算的每一條的時候我們才會知道說啊原來這一條可以這樣子亂用啊所以我們才可以再進一步的去追問說你是不是可以提供這個東西有哪一些明細我們需要知道才可以才可以來審對不對蘇昭文"},{"start":4189.778,"end":4218.626,"text":"那我們先還回歸到那個第34案就是保留協商好那第35案第三十五案是陳金輝委員關心有關建制新版統計資料庫跟查詢系統的議題那昨天又跟委員溝通了那他同意改為主決議並簽署有簽了嗎簽了第三十五案改主決議"},{"start":4220.049,"end":4238.4,"text":"第三十八案三十八案是翁曉琳翁委員關心勞動資訊業務那有關三十八案昨天已跟翁委員溝通跟說明後他同一策案並已簽署三十八案策案策案對已簽署好四十七案"},{"start":4243.474,"end":4259.32,"text":"事項是我們要很關心那個天災的就天然氣候的變化造成上下班通勤的問題那委員已經同意改成併案凍結預算5%同時等勞動部3月提出書面報告後經同意才能夠動之"},{"start":4260.779,"end":4279.352,"text":"好,第47案病動5%對,然後那是會病51案跟52案病51案跟52案對,因為科目是一樣的好,第49案49案是翁曉琳的提案已經改成是檢列6萬元然後凍結6萬元同時3個月內提出書面報告檢列6萬、凍6萬對"},{"start":4287.389,"end":4308.744,"text":"我們等一下那個先保留保留的部分然後請那個行政單位趕快去溝通我們等一下保留的部分會再回來現在講到哪裡"},{"start":4318.709,"end":4321.491,"text":"五十一案五十一案並動百分之五"},{"start":4340.196,"end":4358.787,"text":"五十二案五十二案也是一樣同一病動五趴然後也是三月提出出名報告後死的動滋五十二案病動百分之五科目不一樣五一、五二跟四十七案是同一個科目的不同科目"},{"start":4366.789,"end":4394.574,"text":"OK好那就5152病棟就5152病棟5152病棟百分之五對好五七五七案跟委員吧五十四案委員有那個簽署了什麼五十七案五十四案五十四案昨昨天就已經處理了啊OK好對啊好"},{"start":4396.758,"end":4424.606,"text":"昨天就病動5%現在是5757案是陳秦委員的提案他已經同意凍結5%然後一樣是然後3個月提出書面報告好57案凍5%6060案委員還在昨天保留那還在寫上在跟委員做報告60是保留對保留所以你們現在還在溝通對"},{"start":4428.922,"end":4431.604,"text":"我能不能請問一下為什麼勞動部這一次在跟委員做預算溝通的速度那麼慢?"},{"start":4458.147,"end":4482.114,"text":"現在已經第二輪保留了嘛 對不對那你們昨天我聽到朝偉就是今天要繼續審查的時候就有要求行政部門要趕快去做協調那到現在我看還有好幾個案子要保留到第二次保留"},{"start":4484.333,"end":4512.868,"text":"我也覺得委員會不是不是因為昨天很多委員就是說要保留送鞋箱對我知道保留送鞋箱我的看法是這樣子就是委員會其實自己也可以做出決定該刪該動也不是非得要在委員會不做決定然後直接處理我只是覺得勞動部當然這一次預算審查裡面"},{"start":4513.533,"end":4540.479,"text":"大家可能對你們的預算會比較嚴格的比起其他部會比較嚴格的審查可是我這樣子從手上聽一聽我覺得你們昨天是沒有找到委員還是真的預算行政部門跟委員會的委員的認知差距"},{"start":4541.665,"end":4570.283,"text":"還很大我現在問的是這個那個跟謠言報告其實昨天我們昨天大概第一輪審到五點多以後其實就請同仁盡快的不管委員是希望第二輪保留或者是希望保留送行協商都要去跟委員們去做溝通那目前看起來有一些溝通有達成共識那剛剛其實有一些有達成共識的部分但確實有部分的案子"},{"start":4570.863,"end":4593.894,"text":"那還在努力溝通中所以剛剛其實比方說幾個案子是還在努力溝通中但是我還是請同仁盡力的去溝通所以有一些已經有共識但有一些可能還沒有那麼快有共識這樣子那我在看就是不管哪一個黨派的委員有很多都是都是提的是凍結案然後要求你們做做出一些一些行政處置"},{"start":4595.134,"end":4618.298,"text":"那這樣子的提案我不知道為什麼也會卡住就是說譬如說我們舉60案來看好了那他凍結了百分之30然後他要求你一個月向本院提出專案報告再同意預算是一整年度的"},{"start":4619.515,"end":4643.202,"text":"因為預算是一整年度的,所以凍結了一部分然後有要求勞動部希望能夠做出一定的行任作為然後體驗報告或者是在委員會報告。像這樣子的案子我覺得勞動部有一些東西並不是一定要很堅持。"},{"start":4644.609,"end":4672.92,"text":"並不是要很堅持我知道你們的處境啦就是我想你們可能是全行政體系裡面會受到最嚴格審查的部會不過應該可以答應的就直接在委員會直接處理我在這裡很久了我就覺得委員會不做決定然後送政黨協商因為政黨協商還有很多黨團的提案"},{"start":4674.519,"end":4689.371,"text":"我們委員會可以直接做決定的做決定我也希望勞動部能夠拿出誠意應該可以答應委員的提案就直接把它答應那真的說刪減數太高"},{"start":4694.149,"end":4711.9,"text":"這個當然就沒有辦法做出同意。 凍結數一下子凍結到很高的比例。 那你們可能年初就會綁手綁腳,這個就必須要溝通。 那假如說凍結數一開始的業務推行不會有很大的困難。"},{"start":4712.941,"end":4733.523,"text":"那委員也有直接要求說說欸就是你一個一個月內提專案報告他就可以同意開動職的欸你們是不是也也好好的思考一下是不是可以可以對好好謝謝好第六十案"},{"start":4734.975,"end":4739.379,"text":"第16案先保留第65案委員已經同意改凍結5%然後3個月提書面報告第65案凍結5%87案"},{"start":4753.523,"end":4778.962,"text":"第87案是曾經委員有關勞動教育的推動委員昨天提到提供資料我們昨天已經有提供給委員辦公室資料了等下委員來我們繼續跟他溝通所以還要再保留對87案保留那個昨天保留的我再講一次昨天保留的等一下如果再一輪沒有來我們就不處理了"},{"start":4780.973,"end":4795.018,"text":"八十七案保留一百零一案跟委員報一百零一案委員已經簽署了對簽什麼對已經簽完了簽什麼"},{"start":4802.148,"end":4829.978,"text":"一百零一案改成主決議已經簽署了好一百零一案改主決議好一零三一零三案因為好一零一已經簽了改主決議已經簽署九十六昨天就改主決議對昨天就改成主決議了好那一零三案那個委員是提保留送行商但是我們會努力再跟委員再溝通"},{"start":4832.349,"end":4848.454,"text":"103保留送鞋商106106案的部分王委員這邊的話那時候是說要保留送鞋商我們還在想辦法跟委員溝通106保留送鞋商111"},{"start":4855.089,"end":4873.131,"text":"一一一的部分一一一的部分呃料委員這邊的話嗯昨天有跟要委員有講那我們是現場可以再跟委員報告一下是說這個案子可不可以爭取到說我們改科目然後把洞結束做一些調整並動"},{"start":4874.81,"end":4894.884,"text":"我覺得就剛剛楊耀委員講的很好啊其實我們凍結又沒有刪除那而且這比例也沒到那麼高嘛是所以我我認為這個東西是不是就就是可以決定就決定了因為我們下面有說三個月內提出專案報告並經同意後就可以解凍啊是那這部分是不是應該要就是按照我的議案是"},{"start":4898.646,"end":4915.215,"text":"那我們就按照委員的意思來做處理好這個單獨的按照委員的這個案子來處理111凍結喔凍結十分之一112112的部分那個呃陳委員陳委員這邊呃陳委員這邊我們112"},{"start":4934.702,"end":4954.689,"text":"112的部分還要再跟陳委員在這邊再做協調所以112保留好113113的部分那剛才那個呃廖委員這邊的話就比照剛剛111這個案子我們就同意同步辦理就按照委員的原來的案子動那個單資的部分"},{"start":4956.525,"end":4963.695,"text":"是病動還是動?因為剛剛廖委員本來不同意病動那如果是可以同意病動改科目?"},{"start":4965.673,"end":4969.575,"text":"剛剛廖委員是說要按照原來的提案。 就我原本的提案不是嗎?"},{"start":4969.575,"end":4976.398,"text":"原本的提案就在那個分支計畫下動。 就是在第15款。 你說跟11案一樣是不是?"},{"start":4976.398,"end":4988.083,"text":"是。您剛剛因為在11案的時候您認為說是要在原來的提案。 那原來提案是在那個分支的向下去凍結。 那金額是比較少的。"},{"start":4988.223,"end":5007.276,"text":"您是說在那個勞動條件及就業平等業務嗎?對,如果是可以的話111和這個案子是不是都可以提到勞動條件及就業平等業務,那我們都是並動一百萬。可是,金額比原來的那個,可以啊。現在一個是加強工資第二節嗎?"},{"start":5009.818,"end":5030.169,"text":"好OK阿那委員同意併動還是我同意併動那剛才111的部分是不是也可以也是用比照是同意併動那這樣的話就會比較跟委員的話前後的案子會比較處理上一致好可以是那科目是什麼科目的話是勞動條件及就業平等業務併動100萬"},{"start":5034.881,"end":5056.731,"text":"所以是110、111、113並動100萬然後這個部分我還是想要強調一下不好意思勞動部113的部分那個對不起局長局長可不可以先不要擋住我好白局長"},{"start":5058.137,"end":5079.617,"text":"我們先不要擋到那個好不好好113的部分因為我之前在質詢的時候是前部長的時候有說現在就是希望這個伙食費這個3000以上人需課稅我們勞動部的部分是不是可以去跟財政部這邊去協商一下把往上拉是OK嗎"},{"start":5080.197,"end":5104.094,"text":"那我們跟委員報告我們有跟發文給財政部他有回覆說他其實在112年的時候他已經把原來是2400調到3000到現在是3000所以我才說目前人不夠啊是不是可以請你們再去協商沒關係那就照我的案我只是要強調這一點好不好那是不是可以委員同意也是比照就並動100萬但科目調整為勞動條件及就業平等"},{"start":5109.778,"end":5138.156,"text":"好那個市長是不是問一下齁剛剛是1111113病棟是病棟100萬11113都是病棟100萬是科目科目是還有跟這個也是跟那個其他的那個勞動條其他各個昨天有一些病棟的案子是都是病棟的"},{"start":5142.716,"end":5158.803,"text":"就病107、108、109、110117、118、119、120、1211919是保留昨天是還保留是因為後面還有一些等一下等一下現在先好啦先處理到113啦齁就病棟"},{"start":5171.54,"end":5188.342,"text":"並動一百萬好好在114114的部分的話呃跟委員呃這是陳委員的部分我們還要再來做做協協協協協調好那114保留協商好因為他昨天說保留協商"},{"start":5190.189,"end":5204.867,"text":"115也是廖委員他有指教那個加班費用超過46小時的那個可不可以免稅的部分那我們有跟那個財政部在確認過他超過46小時有一種情況是我們如果是天災事變突發事件那就拜託勞工加班嘛"},{"start":5205.367,"end":5226.745,"text":"那個部分的話他就不會算在46裡面再來的話他也會比照免稅啊如果是有國定假日那或者是例假日徵求勞工出勤或者例假日也也是因為天災事變突發事件要求勞工出勤的那個部分他也不會把它算在那個課稅的情況裡面但是如果說是再超過了吼"},{"start":5227.486,"end":5255.932,"text":"在超過的話大概就是因為我們也不希望說勞工做更多的時間是過勞嘛那對僱主來講又是違法加班嘛所以這個部分的話大概財政部的話已經有把我們現在法定上面可以不要算到46小時裡面的部分都把它做一些免稅處理了我想要請教一下那你說如果排除現在你剛剛說的那些條件都是叫做非法加班嗎"},{"start":5258.028,"end":5276.414,"text":"有沒有可能有他是合法然後而且他真的必須要因為我有接到這樣的陳情就是說他真的必須要就是超過他必須工作超過那46小時他才有足夠啊所以之前質詢我也有問過所以我也是很不了解那這個到底會會不會有這樣的情況發生"},{"start":5277.754,"end":5302.808,"text":"必須要的話比如說像那個颱風有些搶修搶救齁那些都不用那些都不會算進去那除了那個情況之外呢如果那個情況之外的話還有一種是國定假日比如說現在我知道你剛講過那個也不會嘛對不對那除了這兩種情況之外呢沒有了那其他再過來的話只要超過這其他的狀況之下都是都是再超過就是違法加班就是違法加班對不對嗯"},{"start":5303.752,"end":5308.506,"text":"那無法加班我們也不鼓勵部主或是勞工這樣子再去進行因為有過勞的風險"},{"start":5311.537,"end":5339.55,"text":"但是你們這樣子違法加班的狀況是要給加班費要給加班費違法加班費但是違法加班狀況你們不就是要去稽查了嗎是要稽查要處罰那這個部分的話有超過那個法定上限的時候他的處罰就是兩萬到一百萬這個有申訴也好有專案檢查也好查到都是要處罰的所以基本上就是說在46小時以上有可能會發生46小時以上但是發生46小時以上合法的狀況"},{"start":5340.771,"end":5359.567,"text":"合法的狀況都是免稅的對是這樣講嗎是是那除非是非法非法就會變是他就是本來就會有額外的稅要他有收入嘛他就有額外的收入嘛但是那個部分的話大家就沒有列到免稅的好那如果是這樣的話那這部分我也希望你們可以去好好的加強說"},{"start":5360.928,"end":5362.028,"text":"一一五要併"},{"start":5391.718,"end":5399.266,"text":"病107、108、109病107、108、109病107、108、109病107、108、109病107、108、109病107、108、109病107、108、109病107、109病107、108、109病107、109病107、108、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、109病107、10"},{"start":5413.384,"end":5414.565,"text":"到目前為止要併動的是107、108、109、110、111、113、115。"},{"start":5447.114,"end":5449.315,"text":"報告主席我可不可以詢問一下你說"},{"start":5458.81,"end":5480.267,"text":"其實我還是回到剛剛的問題因為剛剛主席沒有想要再進去這個話題就是所謂的今天洪部長早上有跟記者說就是要等審計部的報告出來之後就要審查基金預算但是我覺得這跟我昨天的提案是不同的那我想要講的事情是我加上一個是代檢討也就是勞動部的檢討報告"},{"start":5482.108,"end":5503.396,"text":"但是我們在12月初的時候12月4號的時候也有一個決議就是勞動部要在一個月內提出檢討報告嘛對啦對不對那其實1月初就有了嘛12月底1月初就可以了嘛那是不是應該就是照這樣而而非部長你早上跟記者說的就是整審計部這個等審計部的資料出來就要審查這兩個應該是一起啊"},{"start":5505.777,"end":5528.526,"text":"那個跟教員說明吼第一個是現在部裡面針對機制的檢討我們現在課證在都一直持續在討論中那我也預計是希望在一個月左右的時間裡面提出這個對這個他的標的是對未來的法官機制的強化"},{"start":5529.69,"end":5541.998,"text":"他的目的是對外把關機制的強化在在一個月的時候我們會提出來現在還一直在討論中那當然我現在沒有沒有我現在不確定的事情是審計部的報告什麼時候會出來"},{"start":5543.652,"end":5567.415,"text":"那當然什麼時候審在委員會裡面審預算這個也當然絕對不會是勞動部自己能夠說的算因為這當然是要委員會的安排但是只是我們是很希望要表達的事情是說因為昨天大家講到說對於那五千多萬的這個資用的狀況不了解然後等等等所以我們後來當然也尊重"},{"start":5568.393,"end":5589.839,"text":"委員會的決定說好像是要等到這個審計的報告正式的報告出來可是我我我我今天早上的表達的是說因為我們確實現在不清楚知道審計的正式報告什麼時候會出來所以我自己很不希望說變成審計的這個報告的出來的時間點變成是我們在做在這個會期裡面做預算審查的變數因為"},{"start":5592.04,"end":5615.718,"text":"正式的會期其實是到12月30號就到年底現在到1月21號了已經演到1月21號了對那可是這裡面還有包括後續其實還包括要協商23讀的部分所以我們真的我還是想要爭取說當然能夠盡快審我們當然希望能夠能盡快審就盡快審了部長兩件事情第一個你剛剛說你們的檢討報告"},{"start":5617.987,"end":5633.76,"text":"你又模糊了因為當初我們委員會也說一個月內嘛那你也答應了所以不是說一個月左右不能超過的對不對第一件事一個月當然就不能超過的嘛當然一個月第二個就是你有特別說針對未來的檢討可是你如果沒有當時委員會"},{"start":5635.181,"end":5659.158,"text":"當初委員會的標的是針對未來把關機制的方案的提出但是我認為這個部分你們也要內部你要想過去因為你們不知道過去發生什麼事你怎麼講未來的檢討那個跟委員會說明當初其實在包括在巡達的時候針對過去幾年的狀況當時其實跟委員的表達是三個月對過去的檢討是三個月"},{"start":5660.185,"end":5672.38,"text":"但是對未來把關機制的提出是一個月在12月應該是前幾次的詢答我們是這樣是這樣是這樣說沒關係這是之前的決議我只要說我們昨天的決議就應該是說待檢討報告送出後"},{"start":5675.932,"end":5689.966,"text":"跟交叉比對審計部的這個所做的審核報告我們再來審查基金預算因為其實昨天我也講得很清楚其實像過去的經驗我們到今年才在把這個113年的救安基金的相關的"},{"start":5691.628,"end":5710.926,"text":"這個預算才把它通過那其實你們也都在使用嘛所以其實並不影響直接的運作但是我們需要知道的還是一樣啦對但是這部分因為早上你有跟媒體這樣講我希望我們兩個和整個委員會的委員和主席可以對評一下我們是不是應該就是這樣我們今天是在審公務預算"},{"start":5712.107,"end":5738.558,"text":"我會議詢答嘛,因為昨天有三、四...對,我們在審公務預算的第二輪。那我們昨天有特別提到就是說我們暫時不審基金。好,基金的部分我們不審。昨天都已經講了。那什麼時候審?對不對?對啊,那當然就是大家有共識的時候。沒有啦,我們今天我們就聚焦今天我們在審公務預算。如果你在這樣講的話,那公務預算我到底是要怎麼做起?我現在會議詢答就是因為我早上聽到部長這樣講。那他也有回答了嘛。好不好?"},{"start":5740.238,"end":5759.728,"text":"就聚焦我們在公務預算我們在公務預算昨天都已經講了基金暫時不處理我希望能夠聚焦啦如果這樣子的話我們永遠都審不完啦我很難得這樣子生氣啊真的是齁好"},{"start":5773.552,"end":5789.02,"text":"好接下來我們審那個115案並動100萬是嗎是好116116的案子就是劉建國委員有簽字文字修正3減10萬凍結50萬116減10萬凍50萬"},{"start":5802.592,"end":5825.371,"text":"119案119案昨天有跟林淑芬委員溝通那他同意改科目為勞動條件及就業平等業務那個文字修正然後病棟200萬那病棟的部分的話是他同意跟其他的其他的各個病棟案一起處理"},{"start":5826.272,"end":5841.902,"text":"那個跟稍微補充,因為昨天這部分應該是談到那個彈性運營流停的部分,因為很多委員都很關心所以後來我們其實是想說把這部分保留跟委員尤其是林淑芬委員討論一個凍結的額度,那現在是"},{"start":5842.702,"end":5857.707,"text":"另一人其實現在同意等於是說動200萬那我們是不是就這幾個相對這個前後的這幾個案子基本上就是用200萬這個額度來做凍結就大家就一致這樣好不好對這是昨天我們討論的脈絡是這樣好所以119並動200好120"},{"start":5863.891,"end":5888.649,"text":"一二零的部分也是昨天要一起討論的說也保留下來的是不是也是並動並動200文字修正並動200科目調整為委員有簽字那科目調整為勞動條件及就業平等業務好並動200一二一一二一也是改委員有簽字然後改科目然後並動200萬並動200一二二"},{"start":5892.969,"end":5921.014,"text":"委員有簽字改科目改文字並動兩百122並動兩百123123委員有同意簽字改科目修改文字並動兩百123並動兩百124124的部分昨天陳委員之前已經有簽署同意那這個案子的話因為都是並動所以並動兩百這個部分並動的部分是不是再重複一次"},{"start":5922.301,"end":5951.09,"text":"到目前為止併動的案子是一百後面還有後面還有後面還有好好好那等一下再一併好了一二四一二八一二八也是范委員的部分他有簽字同意改科目然後文字修正併動兩百好一二八併動兩百萬一三零一三零"},{"start":5953.268,"end":5960.697,"text":"那好,剛剛併案的部分是不是再重複一次,就是併動200的部分?併動200的部分是107、108、109、110、111、113、115"},{"start":5972.131,"end":5994.558,"text":"一一七一一八一一九一二零一二一一二二一二三一二四一二五一二六一二八一二九都是併勞動條件及就業平等業務兩百萬元好再來再來"},{"start":6004.081,"end":6018.689,"text":"130130昨天是王委員保留協商可不可以容許我們再跟王委員溝通130保留協商131131是范委員他同意並動10萬然後送書面報告131並動10萬對並134、135、136"},{"start":6032.079,"end":6046.763,"text":"在133133的部分是陳寅陳委員昨天委員已經簽名同意我們送書面報告經委員會同意以後解凍病棟10萬病棟133病棟10萬對也是病134、135、136跟剛剛前面的131好138"},{"start":6064.668,"end":6070.033,"text":"一三八先保留一三八保留協商號一五二"},{"start":6086.253,"end":6109.308,"text":"謝謝委員關心我們預防重建中心投的薪資那我們這個薪資大概在我們去年的10月已經通過董建制會要在今年要在明年1月1號就是通過10%的加薪這個核准函這個條件案我們也送到勞動部核定在11月核定整個程序已經完成了"},{"start":6109.768,"end":6120.275,"text":"委員非常關心希望能夠再回溯的部分因為既然經過董事會同意已經做完再回去董事會再談對董事會來講會有點奇怪另外就是我們也謝謝委員關心我們寫"},{"start":6125.579,"end":6141.525,"text":"當初的董建設會也有一個決議就是明年7月份要不要再多加3%我們也在做努力那希望在董建設會在這階段的時候這對同仁如果表現OK很好大家都肯定我們的話我們會希望能夠在明年7月份再做加薪那其實"},{"start":6142.725,"end":6165.512,"text":"法人的薪資跟我們公務員的薪資是不太一樣的他們如果真的是有非常好的成績其實不是只有加3%、4%其實都可以看他們的表現來做更好的支持跟委員做這樣的報告所以非常謝謝委員對我們這樣的關心但是因為程序已經跑完了所以委員這個主決議我們真的是有點困難請委員多諒解 謝謝那個跟陳委員說明這個案子可不可以我們再跟陳委員再做一些討論好不好"},{"start":6166.853,"end":6179.222,"text":"你是說這個先保留然後晚一點今天嗎我們再做一些討論保留等一下會議結束前好不好所以我們要一直卡在這裡"},{"start":6181.028,"end":6199.121,"text":"我先講一下好了啦那個就是剛剛聽起來有幾個問題齁就是剛剛講說加薪的部分是要看他們成績看績效是嗎你剛剛是說可以調整的或許會超過不會"},{"start":6201.129,"end":6201.67,"text":"兼職法人"},{"start":6216.049,"end":6218.773,"text":"議員：立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會"},{"start":6232.771,"end":6240.695,"text":"獲得公務及基金預算：一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總"},{"start":6261.228,"end":6266.785,"text":"是看他的這個服務的案件有多少呢還是還是怎麼樣因為"},{"start":6268.528,"end":6294.213,"text":"你這樣子講很奇怪,因為我不曉得說那個它的績效你要怎麼去看它是,各位人報告好,因為我們說預防重建中心預防部分它跟我們財團組做結合如果我們年年對職災預防不管是私人傷病或死亡或降低所以我們預防中心有提供一些支持跟協助當然就它的績效會展現那這重建部分委員更清楚我們服務的私人傷病的勞工全國展開如果服務量量人都可以處理"},{"start":6294.813,"end":6323.34,"text":"如果他的服務量能變大其實他的前端也是要檢討表示我們職災的預防出了問題啊?當然我也沒有因為我們現在就是有一些就是往下輔導因為有些我們過去私人不是重傷的部分會主動服務我們服務的水線會再往下降讓更多人來做提供我們的服務另外就是新的業務包括我們那個資產霸凌的一些心理輔導資商的部分我們運動中心也跟我們在合作"},{"start":6323.88,"end":6348.282,"text":"因為我覺得這塊是這兩年會最重要的一個業務我們如果讓勞工可以直接有一個專線諮詢協助或心理協助的那個的服務我們這個幼童中心也扮演這個非常關鍵的角色所以我覺得我們這個業務是大家關注那委員特別關心我們同仁真的非常謝謝那我們同仁應該也會覺得有委員支持我們這個心思在我們有好表現大家能夠跟我們肯定非常謝謝"},{"start":6350.203,"end":6375.364,"text":"我跟陳委員補充一下這個案子我這個案子我們我再跟委員這邊再做一點溝通好不好對我說待會溝通是是沒有問題啦可以再繼續溝通只是說因為這個質詢我也講了其實我從關心這個議題很久我從大院質詢我所謂的法人要這個薪水要提升跟著同步要加薪這個事情"},{"start":6376.044,"end":6405.399,"text":"是整體來講只是因為到了勞動部勞動部那你們有這個法人我就單獨挑出來說但是在大院裡面的質詢我是針對所有的這個中央的這個機關的這個附屬法人的單位一起來提的所以我理解法人的性質是不同那所以我剛剛講就是說這個績效你一直在講講說成績怎麼樣績效怎麼樣那你們也要有定個標準出來啊"},{"start":6405.779,"end":6418.994,"text":"而不是說全部都比照好像人家在充業績賺多少錢的那種形式然後再來就是說書長即將要去兼任你是兼任這個董事長嗎?"},{"start":6421.364,"end":6441.115,"text":"回答委員我們這個原來董事長是許民俊許部長許部長那個卸任之後因為現在何部長如果這個組織還沒有完全卸任就由董事兼帶所以我也是董事兼帶這個董事長的職務所以在11月份的董事會是有主席有沒有做但是在名義上就是說其實你就是你就是董事長嘛是"},{"start":6442.256,"end":6456.833,"text":"啊對啦啊所以啊董事長來我們看一下喔董事長喔他在這個明年公務人員調薪之後呢他們的董事長有調薪喔但是呢他帶領的這個法人是沒有的喔"},{"start":6457.934,"end":6462.958,"text":"這樣說得過去嗎?你應該要據以利爭才對,還是你要陪著他們,不要一起加薪?"},{"start":6462.958,"end":6481.313,"text":"報告委員,我的正職是治安署署長。 那兼任的董事是另外兼任的工作。 那我兼任的工作,我跟委員報告,我兼任的工作確實是兼任,依照行政院的規定是我兼任是一個月可以領6000塊的兼任值。 所以我明年加薪是治安署署長的加薪。 所以這跟我們的董事會是有另外不同的..."},{"start":6482.114,"end":6505.38,"text":"但是但是因為因為你在怎麼樣你就是加薪了但是大家都沒有加那個就是一個很諷刺的事情不是嗎我就這個案子我們再跟成員這邊再來做做一些個我要講一下我知道部長要跟我提醒什麼但是好我想講的是我們今天這個加薪他是針對所有的"},{"start":6506.38,"end":6506.6,"text":"好拉謝謝"},{"start":6536.001,"end":6540.764,"text":"好,152案保留162案162案這部分已經經委員同意改檢列70萬檢列162案檢列70萬169案"},{"start":6567.789,"end":6582.512,"text":"169案部分非常謝謝委員這邊支持改併案凍結百分之十那我們會提專案報告經委員會同意後時的動之好169案併動百分之十170案170案陳委員不在那170、170、170都是水電費的問題是不是可以容一起處理是併案凍結百分之十那個蘇委員可以齁蘇委員"},{"start":6595.879,"end":6601.681,"text":"17同意並動那172呢六委員六委員也有經委員同意非常謝謝六委員並案凍結10%提報告水電費"},{"start":6622.128,"end":6630.612,"text":"好那170保留171並動10%172並動10%170保留也是水電費對就先保留你們再去溝通不行的話再回頭184184的話也非常謝謝廖委員這邊我們委員已經同意改病案凍結保險業務100萬元"},{"start":6651.448,"end":6677.578,"text":"病棟100萬185185案部分的話有跟委員這邊做溝通也在這邊特別在跟委員做報告就是有關於勞保精算部分我們今年度是每三年一次今年會來做精算那年底報告出來之後我們會呈送到勞動部這邊來作為政策的參考那有關於經費部分是不是可以懇請委員同意並剛才184還有其他的案子我們病案凍結保險業務100萬元"},{"start":6680.478,"end":6686.881,"text":"我不要併案,我是單純凍結。凍結這個,就不要併案凍結。我就是凍結這個10%,那等你們的這個報告出來,然後專案報告經委員會同意後時的凍結。185"},{"start":6701.122,"end":6725.266,"text":"就凍結嘛對不對就凍結啦不用冰暗凍結啦委員那這個額度可不可以稍微下降一點點因為這個氣化管理的業務它主要是我們辦事處做業務諮詢零貴電話那這部分我們可不可以是可是因為你這個部分也有要研究嘛對不對對那精算報告我們今年就會做完了所以年底我們會出來呈送到勞動部這邊然後做後續政策上的一個參考"},{"start":6725.976,"end":6737.521,"text":"那...那就...那就...10%沒有關係啊。 這個是明年114年的預算。 是啊是啊是啊,所以等你那個報告出來,然後經委員會專案報告後同意就可以啦。 所以就照案好不好。"},{"start":6739.184,"end":6765.177,"text":"因為這個動下來是300多萬,金額有一點大。可是...356萬,還是我們可以凍結50萬。上兆。這個因為都是發民眾的錢,那很多都是油資的費用。不是啊,因為我是10%嘛。是是是。就是其實還是一樣的概念啊,就是這個東西如果你們覺得OK,而且你們其實也準備報告要出來嘛,到時候委員會,這個又是大議題,一定也會討論的嘛。所以這個我覺得就不要討價還價了啦。"},{"start":6768.19,"end":6795.606,"text":"可不可以再跟委員討論一下因為這真的裡面都是油資這不是我們有很大空間的不是有很大我們自己行政裁量空間的事情不過沒有啊就是其實部長就是剛剛我覺得還是一樣像楊耀委員說的概念嘛其實這個東西因為我是我沒有刪減我是凍結那這個議題又是大家都很關注的那我也不是完全讓你沒有辦法行政嘛因為他整個預算是一整年度的嘛所以你現在就是如果我可不可以另外凍結到5%好不好"},{"start":6798.553,"end":6801.093,"text":"如果令安動選的話5%?"},{"start":6801.093,"end":6827.398,"text":"這個有這個5% 因為這真的裡面都是這些遊資的行政費他不是他不是我們自己有很大的財糧說可以用多用少的事情這就是硬支出但是我也會解讀就只要提出報告之後是希望委員可不可以這個可以考慮一下因為這個真的是都是硬支出有些如果有行政財糧的部分我們還有空間可是這都是硬支出所以是因為如果委員當然能夠併案是最好"},{"start":6827.978,"end":6835.824,"text":"但如果另外可不可以是5%?因為這真的加起來如果加起來20%其實對這部分真的是會有一些 那不並按5%不並按5%好不好?"},{"start":6835.824,"end":6836.304,"text":"好好謝謝委員好185萬凍結5% 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併動兩百萬謝謝委員二十二案併動兩百萬二四五二四五林月琴委員的提案已經同意併案凍結一百萬元已簽署"},{"start":7689.365,"end":7696.169,"text":"二四六二五一二五五二五六二六一跟二六四這是昨天通過的案子"},{"start":7716.752,"end":7718.072,"text":"公務及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案"},{"start":7735.011,"end":7761.578,"text":"好246是那246也是我們林委員的一個提案那也謝謝委員同意併案凍結100萬元已簽署那併案的內容跟剛剛是同一個好246併動100萬248248我們王委員昨天的指示是要保留送協商好248保留送協商249"},{"start":7764.433,"end":7785.814,"text":"249我們林淑芬委員好像不在好保留喔你們趕快再去溝通一下吧同意併案這邊有簽了同意併案是"},{"start":7787.022,"end":7805.742,"text":"請"},{"start":7808.818,"end":7829.546,"text":"跟主席報告第249案林委員已經簽署凍結北分署北分署北分署北分署北分署管理100萬好29凍100萬250"},{"start":7836.792,"end":7854.358,"text":"二五零是我們廖委員的一個提案主要是關切我們北分署前分署長的相關的行政的不當的一個作為那這個部分這個凍結北分署的特別費"},{"start":7855.638,"end":7878.45,"text":"那這個案子委員所指示的指稱包括他的一個驗癮的一個室友跟額度還有他送禮的相關的這個爭議還有軌道燈乃至於用電這個部分我們都可以提供書面的資料給委員參考並沒有列為密件不提供的這個狀況還請委員能夠量查"},{"start":7880.791,"end":7887.364,"text":"那至於凍結北分署的這個特別費的部分是不是可以並"},{"start":7895.317,"end":7912.604,"text":"病249那個跟廖仁說明就是你上面寫的這些資料我們其實都可以提供的而且之前很多資訊其實我在委員會裡面有跟大家報告所以其實應該是沒有列為密件的問題過去做不好我們會檢討不會再犯好你把資料提供給我們然後併案謝謝委員就病249"},{"start":7920.253,"end":7946.831,"text":"病動10020病動100萬252252謝謝蘇委員這邊已經簽署同意病案凍結十分之一病動十分之一252病動十分之一253253目前委員我們還在等還在溝通當中"},{"start":7948.427,"end":7976.108,"text":"二五三保留二五七二五七委員所關切的是我們中分署在因應貿易自由化相關措施有執行率偏低的情形那這個部分跟委員報告我們在ECFA的部分主要是基於預防產業受到衝擊在這個概念之下對於這一些可能受衝擊的產業下的企業乃至於他所僱用的在職勞工"},{"start":7977.77,"end":7989.612,"text":"設法事先掌握他有沒有受到衝擊乃至於他有可能受衝擊之餘的情況之下怎麼樣提供職業訓練讓他能夠在技能上做更充裕的準備如果真的"},{"start":7990.866,"end":8012.263,"text":"不幸遇到需要轉業就業的這些輔導工作我們也可以及早來做介入跟調處所以這個部分有這樣子的一個功能那至於委員所關切到的有幾項執行率偏低的情形首先第一個穩定勞資關係的業務這個部分其實包括我們補助工會辦理勞工教育這個部分放進來整個預算執行率是92%"},{"start":8013.644,"end":8034.805,"text":"另外就業協助的部分主要是我們的相關的同仁他在加班費跟差旅費沒有支用那所以有執行率只有88%那再來取得技術試證的部分則是因為在民眾申請報考技術試證的這個部分的需求比較低一點點所以這個部分我想要不好意思我先答對一下我想要請教一下因為這是中部嘛"},{"start":8036.366,"end":8052.301,"text":"其實就我所知我們這個中部啊包含這個金密科學園區等等的對金科那裡其實在這幾年的貿易戰的這個不管是俄武戰爭或者是貿易戰中其實他們有很多的企業的營業額都降至兩成"},{"start":8053.84,"end":8074.562,"text":"三層,然後我們其實憑良心講也聽到不少這個所謂的超過週休三日也就是無薪假也有聽到這樣的情況所以基本上我想要表達就是說我凍結這個是因為我也很關心就是說這個部分你們有沒有掌握那你未來會怎麼幫助他們所以我是希望說這個部分是不是就請你們提出"},{"start":8076.665,"end":8094.725,"text":"這個報告之後已經同意就可以解凍是這個案子我們在平常對於事業單位經營的穩定性如何對勞工有沒有受到衝擊部裡面有一個定期的監控機制也就是讓地方政府來接受事業單位他提報有沒有所謂實施這個減班休息的一個狀況那這個數據是按"},{"start":8097.588,"end":8123.518,"text":"我記得是至少是一個月就會做一次更新所以到目前為止有關製造業的部分他的情勢尚需平穩那我們會持續來做觀察那一旦如果他有發生減班休息的情勢的話我們勞動力分署所屬的分署會在地直接去做進場去做關切有沒有需要進一步我們提供協助不管是職業訓練甚至在減班休息的過程當中協助這個勞工朋友來減少他薪資的減損的這部分我們都會來做處理"},{"start":8126.98,"end":8144.077,"text":"我自己是同意你的觀察就是我們確實中部有一些產業其實在這段時間裡面會因為國際情勢的狀況會有一些它的波動但是它還是非常非常優秀的產業所以當它遇到波動的時候如果遇到減班休息甚至有些對勞工的影響的話其實我想我們包括我們中分署"},{"start":8144.677,"end":8161.47,"text":"或是我們在中部的這些單位其實應該要更大程度扛起一定的工作跟職務可是我是想說想跟料人爭取說這部分是不是就是說是不是可以用不用凍結的方式就是說因為我們我們在這部分我自己我自己也相當關注這件事情"},{"start":8162.23,"end":8188.45,"text":"那尤其接下來的國際的情勢又有不確定的狀況所以我們會請這個我們中部包括這個相關的分屬其實必須密切尊重這可不可以用一個主決議的方式或者不用凍結的方式因為我們還是希望這些資源能夠把事情可以處理得更好啦那尤其是在業務其實未來的挑戰也不一定小尤其國際情勢越發的不確定這樣子我懂所以我還是一樣說我覺得其實是用凍結的啦"},{"start":8189.551,"end":8213.244,"text":"那我是用凍結的方式我沒有要去刪裂所以如果我是希望說在這個部分可以更加的盯緊我們的部內對於這個部分的掌握還有可不可以有一些相關的報告可以提供給我們同意之後就解凍所以我在想這個部分是不是就照案那這部分就認為了我們書面報告會盡快來提供257案凍結100萬"},{"start":8219.048,"end":8243.465,"text":"是那258是接下來258案是我們蘇信權委員的一個提案那已經簽署同意併案凍結百分之十好258併動百分之十262262也是我們蘇委員的提案阿也謝謝委員支持已經簽署同意併案凍10%"},{"start":8245.429,"end":8251.173,"text":"並動百分之10好263263這部分我們還在確認263保留265265也謝謝書委員這邊也簽署同意並案動百分之10並動百分之10265266266也還在確認當中266保留271"},{"start":8267.714,"end":8284.815,"text":"二、其一是林慧琦委員關心的案子有關資產霸凌跟心理健康諮詢,謝謝委員您簽署改病案凍結職業安全衛生業務50萬,謝謝委員林委員 不過我還是要講一下我覺得真的很感謝我覺得"},{"start":8285.796,"end":8312.899,"text":"書案這邊真的在113年有做真的也替幼兒園的幼教老師感謝你們我希望未來持續還是要去做這些事情因為他們事實上是最辛苦的一群很認真的而且都是女性工作者你們有回復他們權益可是大家同時這個我也要提醒的是那治安署也要體訓我們的勞檢員來那個加班黑素外部"},{"start":8313.819,"end":8328.714,"text":"議員的不友善的問題可能要去處理,但也希望明年真的還是對於這一群過去一直被忽視的幼教老師們的權益還是要透過你們持續一樣跟今年一樣能夠去落實。"},{"start":8330.095,"end":8343.385,"text":"我們的勞動檢查來維護他們的權益,否則這一群人長年以來都是比較是被我們的雇主剝削的人的時候可能他們一直又不會去申訴,所以要拜託你們,謝謝"},{"start":8353.172,"end":8358.055,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管二、繼續審查勞動部主管二、繼續審查勞動部主管二、繼續審查勞動部主管二、繼續審查勞動部主管"},{"start":8380.461,"end":8384.164,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管預算案"},{"start":8405.137,"end":8406.958,"text":"二、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管．一、繼續審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":8421.245,"end":8434.098,"text":"二八零併動五十萬元以上是不是可以跟都有報告一下以上包括二七一二七六二七七二七九二八零二八一都是併動五十萬元謝謝"},{"start":8445.568,"end":8446.508,"text":"職業安全衛生業務"},{"start":8459.678,"end":8461.6,"text":"我附送一遍好了。 271、276、277、279、280、281。 併案凍結50萬。 是。謝謝召委。"},{"start":8484.551,"end":8485.151,"text":"283保留協商317保留317保留330"},{"start":8511.206,"end":8519.711,"text":"330那個蘇委員所關心那個水電會那我們一併就是動10%那這個委員幫我們簽署謝謝昭委謝謝蘇昭委員331因為陳昭之委員現在不在我們是不是先保留"},{"start":8526.055,"end":8541.411,"text":"好331保留334334是葉勤委員關心那個身障者的一些相關的一個重建啊相關的視訊服務那這個部分我們會來做研究那委員也同意給我們改組決議是可以嗎委員好謝謝委員334改組決議335335也是"},{"start":8547.057,"end":8556.913,"text":"月秦委員的就是有關於那個照顧價跟國際性的比較這個部分那我們也會來提出相關的一些研究那委員也同意給我們改組決議,委員這樣可以嗎?好謝謝"},{"start":8563.937,"end":8590.804,"text":"三四零也是剛才蘇委員所提到相關的水電會那這個我們也是動百分之十那科目讓我們調整為一般行政的水電會項目的科目好並動百分之十那另外一個就是昨天有一個三四一這個部分那我們昨天會後也有跟劉建國委員溝通那也取了委員的諒解那委員這邊就是說不刪"},{"start":8591.944,"end":8607.052,"text":"十萬塊,不減類十萬塊那一樣是可以讓我們併動一百萬那這併動的部分就我們早上也真的召委的同意就併召委的329案那這個部分劉建國委也簽署"},{"start":8608.206,"end":8620.32,"text":"三四一病棟100萬對那科目是一樣在研究所的勞動研究所的科目下調整好好好好謝謝呃報告委員會吼"},{"start":8623.544,"end":8638.68,"text":"現在我們這個公務預算的部分剛剛保留的部分這是第一輪已經先處理那我們等一下會休息10分鐘那在這10分鐘這之中剛剛又有保留的部分請這個"},{"start":8639.981,"end":8665.081,"text":"我們所有公務單位趕快去做這個溝通那如果我在這邊做宣告休息後我們處理剛才保留的部分那如果委員不在場就是依委員會先前宣告不再處理如果是說保留的話就是委員如果不在就不再處理那如果原本就是說要保留送協商那就交協商"},{"start":8666.158,"end":8672.983,"text":"好那所以有保留的部分會保留協商的部分趕快再找委員去做溝通好我們現在休息10分鐘"},{"start":8691.203,"end":8691.844,"text":"我真的還蠻短的"},{"start":8715.883,"end":8719.204,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":8732.109,"end":8742.333,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動"},{"start":8750.896,"end":8767.283,"text":"二、繼續審查勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於勞動部主管預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於勞動部主管委員會第11屆第2會期社會福利及基金預算案關於"},{"start":8767.483,"end":8789.582,"text":"議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員"},{"start":8790.703,"end":8791.443,"text":"市長市長市長市長市長"},{"start":10100.967,"end":10114.116,"text":"好現在繼續開會那我在這邊做一個宣告因為我們早上第二輪的部分有的是保留送院會協商有的是保留那"},{"start":10115.97,"end":10137.096,"text":"我先這個先宣讀一下就是保留送院會的這個案號那我不知道我一案一案念那如果說剛剛跟委員溝通已經有溝通然後也有達成共識的等一下行政單位再做一個說明我先講那個保留送院會協商的第8案第8案委員已經簽署改組決議好第8案改組決議"},{"start":10145.438,"end":10157.384,"text":"第9案委員沒有簽署所以第9案就是保留送院會協商第12案委員已經簽署改併動50萬那併動的案子就是2、4、5、7、10、11、12、15併動60萬等一下好"},{"start":10188.58,"end":10194.862,"text":"第二案、第四案、第五案、第七案、第十一案、第十案、十二案、十五案、病棟、勞動保險業務60萬、第十九案"},{"start":10204.512,"end":10228.11,"text":"第19案保留送協商好第19案保留送協商34案保留送協商34案保留送協商103案103案已經跟委員溝通改為動5萬元改為動5萬元委員已經簽署然後提書面報告好103案動5萬106案"},{"start":10238.468,"end":10249.594,"text":"報告106案的部分王委員沒有再同意變動原來的所以就是保留送協商114案委員已經簽字同意並動200萬跟還有112案剛才也是"},{"start":10262.355,"end":10263.216,"text":"並這幾個案凍結兩百萬"},{"start":10289.877,"end":10305.449,"text":"114病棟兩百萬130王委員的案子保留送協商130保留送協商138保留送協商138保留送協商248"},{"start":10317.267,"end":10319.229,"text":"第二輪保留的部分這個第22案"},{"start":10344.434,"end":10370.855,"text":"二十二案、二十四案、二十五案、二十七案、二十八案、二十七案、二十八案、二十七案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十七案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案、二十八案"},{"start":10373.264,"end":10380.327,"text":"23案23案保留但是陀委員沒有在現場那就不處理23案不處理好33案33案360萬動10萬委員與簽署360萬動60萬動10萬360動10萬委員與簽署好33案360萬動10萬60案"},{"start":10403.306,"end":10425.64,"text":"六十案保留,但委員沒有簽署。好,那就不處理。好,八十七案。第八十七案,曾經委員已經簽名同意而改為主決議。八十七案改為主決議。一百一十二案。一百一十二案,曾委員已經同意那修正病棟勞動條件及就業平等業務兩百萬。"},{"start":10429.301,"end":10458.107,"text":"好一百一十二案並動兩百萬一百五十二案包委員那個我們再跟委員再修正文字通是不是要再等一下哪一個一百五十二案我們成立委員的好那就先保留一百七十案一百七十案委員已經統一並案凍結十分之一提書面報告一百七十案並動十分之一好兩百五十三案"},{"start":10463.067,"end":10467.25,"text":"253案委員已簽署同意並252案動十分之一已簽署。 2563案委員已簽署同意並案262案簽署動十分之一。"},{"start":10482.879,"end":10505.773,"text":"263案病病動十分之一是266案266案委員簽署同意病案動十分之一病265案已簽署266案病動十分之一317案報告委員現在是在委員報告室談一個快要好了什麼時候再等我們一下下謝謝委員好那317先保留331案"},{"start":10514.059,"end":10518.64,"text":"並330跟334委員已簽署好331並動10%好剛剛有先保留的部分我們再等一下吼那我們現在先宣讀公務預算主決議文字修正部分"},{"start":10544.246,"end":10557.392,"text":"第二十案修正默據為原要求勞動部提出職業安全衛生法相關規劃第三十二案修正倒數第二句默三字為節省工廠四個字"},{"start":10559.039,"end":10575.133,"text":"第43案修正末二段為需請政府研議勞保及具上限調整可行性給予勞工必要且充分保障請勞動部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出專案報告"},{"start":10576.454,"end":10581.298,"text":"第44案修正後段為請勞動部協助相關企業或職業工會參與國際交流的機會與發展據以落實推動我國工會國際交流之空間第45案"},{"start":10592.168,"end":10614.905,"text":"修正末段為縱上所述請勞動部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會針對勞動部主管法規公開裁罰部分進行全面盤點研議是否修法提出書面報告第48案刪除凍結文字第50案原請勞動部確實依政府採購法及預算相關規定辦理"},{"start":10619.093,"end":10646.732,"text":"第56案請勞動部應就飯店運輸物流及汽車業積極研擬相關對策並於三個月內提交書面報告至立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會第59案請勞動部就研議非典型勞工僱用型態之未來發展趨勢於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告"},{"start":10648.561,"end":10653.207,"text":"第62案及第64案修正如下請勞動部確實推動國際及兩岸交流"},{"start":10657.369,"end":10682.518,"text":"第66案請勞動部更續辦理相關業務於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出111年至113年辦理情形之書面報告。第77案請勞動部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出提升工會組織率協助措施書面報告。"},{"start":10683.658,"end":10704.596,"text":"第92原請勞動部建立量化之績效指標以呈現業務辦理績效並將辦理情形做成書面報告提供立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會第93案原請勞動部應加強宣導避免移屬遭受二次打擊"},{"start":10706.072,"end":10733.525,"text":"第9494案刪除凍結文字第140案原要求勞動部於三個月內提出勞工保險財務財務改善因應對策書面報告並刪除條例至完善相關配套措施之文字第一41案並於一年內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出完整可行性評估"},{"start":10735.475,"end":10753.16,"text":"第142案委員要求勞動部於6個月內提出財務改善因應對策書面報告。第143案修正默劇為並於半年內向立法院報告推動成效。第144案"},{"start":10754.898,"end":10772.508,"text":"敬請勞動部在政府持續撥補並恢復最終給付責任且不會降低勞保年金給付前提下根據研謀如何確保勞保財務穩定運作之因應對策第145案研議加強推動勞資協調團體協約相關做法第146案"},{"start":10781.04,"end":10803.457,"text":"刪除職業工會之勞資爭議及之文字並刪除默劇研究二字第一四期案原建請勞動部向地方政府說明釐清前開實務一役使其處理工會籌組申請時更加明確令刪除研議結果之五個字"},{"start":10804.639,"end":10826.599,"text":"第149案原請勞動部持續精進小規模事業勞工之健康檢查保護機制及落實相關作為並於6個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會就強化中小企業勞工健康保護之現況具體作為及未來政策規劃提出書面報告"},{"start":10828.151,"end":10856.03,"text":"第156案原要求勞動部針對國公營事業所屬球隊之勞動權益保障狀況含勞保加保進行盤點與分析並提出相關改善建議第166案減少向外租用需求並研議逐年降低租金支出以節省公帑第173案及174案"},{"start":10857.699,"end":10881.405,"text":"請勞保局準決開支妥善運用預算。第176案原請勞動部勞工保險局執行計劃時落實專案管理確實案進度完成驗收。第177案原請勞動部勞工保險局編列預算時因本準決原則以節省公帑。"},{"start":10883.021,"end":10912.221,"text":"第178案原請勞動部勞工保險局未來在執行計劃時依預算法及採購法辦理並於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第182案建議勞動部勞工保險局立即展開針對外送員強化納保規範宣導以確保取等保險權益令修正一個月為三個月"},{"start":10913.441,"end":10939.344,"text":"第183案政府宜嚴苛勞保財務改善因應對策避免影響廣大勞工退休及生活安定性原請勞動部向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第186案請勞保局準決開支妥善運用預算。第187案"},{"start":10941.599,"end":10951.069,"text":"請勞保局研議相關配套措施。第188案請勞動部勞工保險局持續強化催收程序。"},{"start":10952.498,"end":10977.999,"text":"第191案修正手段為此種作法雖基於社會保險權利義務對等原則並有勞保條例第17條及勞動部106年12月4日韓式規定為據但一般公法與債權另外刪除四有不妥令查之文字還有修正末段第二句之後為"},{"start":10980.287,"end":11008.401,"text":"請勞保局就該等做法所收之效益向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第192案原請勞動部勞工保險局根據強化提升職業工會與會投保核實性。第193案請勞保局於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。"},{"start":11009.79,"end":11035.892,"text":"第196案建議勞保局請示勞動部諮詢相關醫學會嚴理調整前項施能審核基準並請勞保局向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出相關書面報告。第199案刪除凍結文字203案刪除末段及倒數第二段第二句"},{"start":11036.67,"end":11052.026,"text":"另外第三句首三字為應加強第二一八案請勞動部勞動力發展屬於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第二二八案"},{"start":11053.449,"end":11068.6,"text":"請勞動部勞動力發展署向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第二二九案請勞動部向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第二三一案請勞動部檢討改善"},{"start":11071.328,"end":11097.118,"text":"第二三四案請勞動部提出書面報告詳細說明增加緣由第二三六案緣要求向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第二四零案一個月改為三個月第二四一案刪除簡略文字第二六零案以及二六九案一個月改為三個月"},{"start":11098.154,"end":11126.201,"text":"二九七案刪除凍結文字三零二案請職安署就勞工健檢於六個月內提出精進規劃之書面報告三一一案原要求勞動部職安署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出精進改善措施書面報告第三一二案原要求一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面檢討報告"},{"start":11128.041,"end":11141.908,"text":"第320案,原請勞金局於3個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出內部管理改善書面報告。第325案,一個月改為3個月。第332、333、345及347案修正為,原要求勞動部"},{"start":11150.375,"end":11176.703,"text":"勞動及職業安全衛生研究所與預算通過後三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。第8案請勞動部限期於一個月內向本院提交勞保財務改善書面報告。"},{"start":11181.175,"end":11209.045,"text":"第3案請勞動部於一個月內向本院提交書面報告第6案原請勞動部勞工保險局與投保單位有財務困難者適時提供彈性支還款方式並於網站及函件皆視處理程序13案對勞工"},{"start":11210.953,"end":11235.998,"text":"提撥率低然有有效提振等。 原此請勞動部於一個月內向本院提交書面報告。 14案請勞動部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出研議勞工保險條例修法可行性書面報告。 16案"},{"start":11240.64,"end":11254.583,"text":"請勞動部於一個月內向本院提交書面報告。 17案請勞動部對主管保險在監理業務在經濟檢討。 18案應依業務切實控制預算之執行以達經費運用效益。 26案"},{"start":11265.036,"end":11292.463,"text":"勞動部應採源頭減少同仁加班如業務需求與辦公時間外經單位主管指派加班緊急性立即處理電話通知電子通訊軟體電子郵件交辦皆依核算申請加班單位主管核實審認核給加班費或補休假"},{"start":11294.636,"end":11322.834,"text":"二十九案勞動部因督導勞動部勞動力發展暑期所屬研議促進新住民就業補助作業要點之修正納入規劃中華民國之外國人三十五案經勞動部說明請依建制其誠切實管控進度執行如期完成供各界查詢應用"},{"start":11326.033,"end":11348.615,"text":"案 專案報告改為書面報告案 請勞動部就飯店運輸物流及汽車業積極研擬相關對策並於三個月內提交書面報告至本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會"},{"start":11351.701,"end":11377.942,"text":"六十三案請勞動部務實推動國際及兩岸交流六十八案請勞動部於114年2月28日前針對工會長期無法召開會員大會得否依工會法第37條規定向法院申請解散公告解釋令函並"},{"start":11381.064,"end":11410.196,"text":"向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。69案請勞動部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會針對協助勞資協商中鋼航運船員下船後工作權益保障及降低大陸籍船員比率等事項提出書面報告。"},{"start":11412.298,"end":11423.831,"text":" 83案請勞動部向本院提交書面報告。86案請勞動部向本院提交書面報告。87案請勞動部向本院提交書面報告。91案"},{"start":11434.929,"end":11454.342,"text":"又考量貿易自由化下之國際雙邊與多邊關係均將使勞資雙方受到影響,原請勞動部於一個月內提供立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會因應貿易自由化為勞資雙方辦理近三年之活動書面報告。95案請勞動部"},{"start":11464.125,"end":11485.166,"text":"勞動基金運用局針對我國企業在八旦島工廠被指控的違規事項進行事實之釐清而若確有相關違規事實則應行使股東提案權要求相關企業改善並將相關"},{"start":11487.014,"end":11516.103,"text":"及相關事實釐清及後續處置情形向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告。 96案勞動部應加強宣導避免此類個案持續發生。98案請勞動部於一個月內向本月社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告。"},{"start":11519.175,"end":11545.733,"text":"101案 原要求勞動部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。 102案 要求勞動部一個月內向本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告。105案 以音樂會之名宣導並不適當英語檢討。"},{"start":11550.712,"end":11558.806,"text":"127案要求勞動部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告132案"},{"start":11564.328,"end":11588.921,"text":"勞動部應於二個月內就船員契約性質認定署函贈機關與勞動主管機關全責四項向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以釐清疑議137案請勞動部於一個月內向本院提交強化宣導書面報告"},{"start":11593.358,"end":11617.396,"text":"153案,於6個月內提出相關修法研議。 168案,請勞保局盤點各縣市人口分布狀況,持續加強服務效能並積極推展醫化服務,就照顧到偏遠地區民眾。"},{"start":11619.673,"end":11646.652,"text":"於6個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出經濟措施報告181案 勞保局應有經濟措施以保障民眾給付權益189案 原請勞動部勞工保險局持續強化催收程序190案 請勞動部勞工保險局按準決原則編列預算"},{"start":11651.24,"end":11677.63,"text":"195案建議勞動部勞工保險局應精進職災審核時效保障被保險人權益204案協助比對資料211案請於三個月內提出專案報告212案請落實各項結論措施"},{"start":11682.055,"end":11708.08,"text":"213案請勞動部勞動力發展署於三個月內提出書面報告並說明近三年健檢人數及環境佈置情形215案請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於三個月內完成促進新住民就業補助作業要點之修正納入規劃中華民國之外國人並向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告"},{"start":11710.912,"end":11730.205,"text":"216案,原要求提出改善管理計劃,限期於三個月內向本委員會提出書面報告。 232案,請勞動部勞動力發展署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。"},{"start":11735.363,"end":11755.422,"text":"235案請勞動部勞動力發展署及所屬於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。 243案請勞動部勞動力發展署向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。 254案刪除凍結數"},{"start":11762.452,"end":11790.41,"text":"二百五十九案請落實各項結論措施二百九十九案有違建構職場安全及推動防災之目標原始限期於一個月內一個月向會防委員會繳交書面報告二百九十二案一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面精進報告"},{"start":11793.226,"end":11810.675,"text":"313案,要求勞動部職安署向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出對待檢機構管理相關書面報告314案,請職安署限期於一個月內向衛防委員會繳交書面報告323案,於三個月內提出書面報告"},{"start":11822.557,"end":11850.391,"text":"三百二十四案刪除檢列數三百三十四案於一百一四年底將相關研究成果向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告三百三十五案於一百一四年底以政策提出或立法準備為目的"},{"start":11852.83,"end":11879.025,"text":"提出國際照顧價比較研究原請勞動部勞動及職業安全衛生所向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。 337案勞動勞動及職業安全衛生研究所應積極研擬改善現行勞工及育嬰政策之缺失"},{"start":11882.483,"end":11896.472,"text":"請勞動部勞動及職業安全衛生所於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出相關精進婦女再就業書面報告。 338案刪除凍結數。 342案研議如何針對公部門建構友善職產提出進行研議。"},{"start":11914.206,"end":11939.018,"text":"請勞動部勞動及職業安全衛生研究所與預算通過後三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告。 343案與預算通過三個月針對勞檢員職產經濟與待遇改善進行研究提出書面報告。"},{"start":11943.354,"end":11945.656,"text":"346案,一個月改為三個月。"},{"start":11958.302,"end":11979.629,"text":"好,那供預算、主決議、文字修正的部分全部都宣讀完畢。那剛剛我們這個保留的部分152案是在做一個說明?是,跟照報告也謝謝陳議委員。我們這個有做文字修正。主決議已經簽名了。已經簽署了。好,所以152案改主決議。對,文字修正已經簽名。已經簽署,是。"},{"start":11980.389,"end":11989.4,"text":"你們文字修正的部分先宣讀一下,等一下主席台這邊再宣讀一次好,那就是從第三行開始為維護勞工權益建議勞動部應比照所屬工人員"},{"start":11996.047,"end":12005.109,"text":"114年薪資調整,同意該中心3%的行典並盤點檢視基層員工薪資及勞動權益、逗點以實際行動帶頭示範捍衛勞權之決心。好,那317案"},{"start":12019.893,"end":12023.916,"text":"陳昭志委員已簽署同意改併動10%併動的科目是278315、316、317科目是職業安全衛生業務的健全機械設備及氣球安全源頭管理的業務費一般事務費3445千元"},{"start":12046.351,"end":12056.179,"text":"所以317並動百分之十?對,百分之十次。好,那全部都?"},{"start":12062.281,"end":12085.184,"text":"好那做以下決議中華民國114年度中央政府總預算關於勞動部主管公務預算全部已經審查完略提報院會討論院會討論前需交黨團協商那有關114年度勞動部主管基金預算令則其繼續審查本次會議到此結束散會"},{"start":12184.034,"end":12186.107,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}