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基本草案已經7月抱怨相關的立法院進程是不是競輸到立法院的一個審查我是第55案那我想根據聯合國的文教組織他們這樣子的一個頒布我想深圳市AI最低年齡的應該是在13歲這個一直以來我們都一直很關心那所以我也在這個教文有做過相關的質詢那我希望這個"},{"start":5538.024,"end":5566.923,"text":"我們對於國內的深層式AI並沒有去做一個相關的年齡規範所以我有做一個凍結500萬另外5757案我們對於這一個依據凍保法的規定我們每個科學應用科學的一個機構都應該成立實驗動物照護及相關的照護使用指引但是我們現在看到這個功能不彰"},{"start":5567.884,"end":5591.603,"text":"我想很多的機構呢有太多的經費資源挹注在這個其他的機構上面會符合動保法以及實驗動物的指引的問題那我想礙於機構的自主管理呢我們外面無從得知到底這些實驗動物的一些權益所以我想這個部分國會會雖然有要求實驗機構要提供ISCUC的一個同意書"},{"start":5592.304,"end":5603.018,"text":"但是這個是否有具有功能性我想這個審查是否到位我都希望能夠更確定的再來查明所以這邊我也有一個凍結200萬大家一起統統這個都沒關係可以一起來討論然後再來就是66案"},{"start":5609.394,"end":5630.486,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":5631.386,"end":5649.112,"text":"這個部分我們希望台灣大學的重點在於研究學院那台北科技大學在創新前瞻那我們都希望這個同為半導體重症的中科相對於對這個半導體的學院卻獨缺中部所以我想要就是為這個發聲所以國科會啟動的精創台灣方案"},{"start":5652.553,"end":5673.98,"text":"並排版海外基地在捷克的布拉格但是原本的計劃是礙於9月才正式運營卻沒有如期我想是不是有這個機會在這個海外都設點了那中部呢中部是不是有機會這邊也來做爭取那這邊我是凍結700萬以上跟大家可以一起討論最後的凍結數謝謝"},{"start":5675.796,"end":5700.178,"text":"好謝謝庭委下一位是我們如果有要發言舉個手不然我就會跳過好江雅琳委員我的案子是第42案那主要就是在講我們的算力因為我們現在就是非常需要這個算力可是我們的九成算力都集中於單一個縣市所以我就是有要求他們要有這個嚴厲這個異地備援的機制來降低我們的風險然後增加我們的算力的韌性"},{"start":5700.919,"end":5713.904,"text":"那基本上因為我看了這個國科會有來跟我們說明那他其實有相對的一些計劃去分散這個備援的機制所以我這邊我沒有堅持我可以跟大家並動處理"},{"start":5715.758,"end":5733.493,"text":"第43案是針對於綠能設施的測試實驗室建置計畫其中的離岸風機的結構智慧防災系統我這邊是想要再請主委可不可以再多做一些說明雖然已經有溝通過了但是我想要更了解的是說"},{"start":5734.474,"end":5752.932,"text":"我們是不是有要規劃去考量到我們其他前期因為已經做一些風電相關的計畫了嘛那他們執行經驗我們可不可以做一個統整分析來幫助我們未來在執行相關計畫可以更優化那這部分我是希望可以再多做一點說明謝謝好謝謝雅琳接下來我們請陳秀寶委員"},{"start":5756.61,"end":5773.565,"text":"在第四幕的部分我的案子有49、52、58、67、68、696個案子關於49案的部分主要是整合晶片設計與原件製造的垂直整合以及培育高階技術能力的相關業務"},{"start":5776.028,"end":5793.183,"text":"美國選舉過後新政府會上任後續對於我國晶片會採取的措施讓人也很擔心包括說是不是會增加增關稅晶片法案2.0的走向以及要求我國7奈米的晶片要先進製程要到美國生產等等國科會這邊都應該要關注這些重點"},{"start":5798.487,"end":5827.247,"text":"國會這邊有來說明說你們已經在11月的時候先將先進製程的晶片等等相關技術提報行政院列為國家核心關鍵技術所以未來如果說要用海外生產的話這個需要經過審議那這邊還是要提醒國科會明年1月美國新政府上任之後要密切留意這個晶片的這個法案的這個走向那這個案子你們這樣來說明我可以接受所以我這個案子是9案改組決議第52案的部分"},{"start":5828.427,"end":5843.859,"text":"是關於說跨領域的整合儀器科技研發服務平台這個相關的業務這個設施平台要整合的資源建立一個單一的入口網來結合448項的儀器46個資料庫以及145項的服務也希望是有助於諧言界的科研進行"},{"start":5852.505,"end":5879.133,"text":"這個政治核心設施的平台是整合就是補助計畫以及轄下的法人構置之科學儀器來提供這個一站式的查詢服務那在平台網頁就可以直接連結到各法人的網頁來向各法人借用這個科學儀器這邊我是希望說可不可以是不是能夠要求各中心來做一個使用統計在每年度定期提供科學儀器的使用次數也可以協助來分析我們各儀器的使用的狀況"},{"start":5880.453,"end":5896.717,"text":"這個部分國科會等一下回答我一下看你們能不能研議說有做這樣子的統計的資料整合那第58案的部分呢是我們科技政策研究與資訊服務計畫我們從2022年開始國科會的這個專題計畫申請件數逐年的減少2023年已經比2022年減少了1500多件,減幅是6%"},{"start":5908.439,"end":5911.162,"text":"那2024年又比2023年少了2833件減幅高達11.5%那我們科技的預算其實逐年編列是會增加的但是這個國科會的專業計畫的數量是逐年減少到底是什麼樣的問題或是有什麼地方要檢討要改進那國科會這邊有說明說專題計畫生產量"},{"start":5930.943,"end":5946.787,"text":"這個申請的量下降是因為我們少子化以及我們比較多的是那個多年期的計劃申請量有上升但是國科會你們這邊後續提供的資料呢其實多年期計劃申請也只增加了1%但是專題計劃的減幅高達11.5%那從今年的申請件數已經比2022年少了4395件"},{"start":5957.529,"end":5983.302,"text":"所以國會你們也要正視這個問題啦那這個案子裡面我來說明我是可以改組決議但是我希望國會這邊你們要提供相關的檢討報告給我辦公室那在第67案的部分呢是關於晶片驅動產業創新再升級的這個計畫那包含就是說高階晶片前瞻技術的突破以及加大益助新創事業及中小企業生產生成式AI服務等方案的這個相關的這個業務"},{"start":5986.163,"end":6000.295,"text":"在我們彰化縣其實我的選區裡面中小企業很多而且產業的內容是非常的多元其實這樣子的一個計畫是不是能夠一概使用那我這邊會希望說國科會這邊要協助各行業來導入AI這相關的業務而且應該要跟中小企業來妥適的溝通來因應各產業別的工作內容不同來協助導入合適的這個AI"},{"start":6011.985,"end":6029.746,"text":"國客會這邊你們有來說明說你們的業務主要是提供大型語言模組應用開發的平台並且推動業者與服務業者來研究國網中心算力資源的合作模式。國客也有說你們會推動產業需求座談跟服務推廣活動"},{"start":6030.387,"end":6051.199,"text":"那因為我剛剛提到說我選區有許多中小企業每個產業的類別都不那個需求都不相同所以我希望國科會這邊要辦理座談會來瞭解各個產業的需求這個部分請國科會一定要研議所以我提動金額是500萬我沒有堅持要動這麼多可以跟其他的委員一起來討論第68案的部分也是關於晶片驅動產業創新再升級計畫那國科會來說明說我們海外的這個訓練基地雖然說布拉格這個"},{"start":6059.763,"end":6079.549,"text":"這個基地還沒有正式營運但是培育人才的部分還是有持續辦理那因為我們這個計劃其實我們之前本來預定是今年9月要營運但是因為捷克現在政局有變化至此說我們這個海外的訓練基地沒有辦法如期來營運那今年呢國家科學這邊有說今年6月7月也分別完成了"},{"start":6079.949,"end":6098.108,"text":"第59個及79位的國際學員訓練當然我們還是希望說我們要進展讓我們海外基地可以正式來啟用並且我也希望國家科學這邊提出未來幾年學員培訓的這個目標那這個案子你們來說明過後我接受這個案子我可以改組決議第69案的部分呢"},{"start":6099.417,"end":6108.708,"text":"主要這個業務是進行臺灣可信任AI代言模組及提升素養能力推動計劃就是大家一直都非常關心的這個TIDE這個建制的計劃那國科會這邊來說明說你們現在就是持續的跟公司部門都來洽談合作"},{"start":6115.035,"end":6135.952,"text":"建立公司部門的互惠合作來取得訓練資料而且未來也預計每一季都會更新一些資料但是我看你們的資料庫行政院下的各部會只有文化部、中研院跟教育部有提供那其他的部會的資料取得是有困難還是還在洽談中這個部分我想國科會這邊要積極如果真的有遇到什麼困難的話應該請行政院這邊來協調"},{"start":6138.254,"end":6150.64,"text":"如果你們公部門都很難以達成合作的話那四部門你們要怎麼去跟人家談所以這個部分我希望說你們要更積極那本來我提到的金額是五百萬我沒有堅持一定要五百可以跟其他委員一併討論以上謝謝"},{"start":6159.004,"end":6179.211,"text":"吳佩儀委員我的提案46案主要是關心因為最近我們各個部會我們大家都在關心說我們不管是編制內的公務員還是約聘的人員的勞動力的問題那我看到我們國使院的轄下單位博望中心我們預算原額進用缺額目前是比例達到兩成"},{"start":6180.151,"end":6181.552,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":6206.436,"end":6211.903,"text":"第二案是63案剛剛有委員關心就是我們的晶片驅動產業創新再升級計劃目前這個計劃就是說未來我們規劃超級電腦的主要建制"},{"start":6220.996,"end":6222.238,"text":"國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":6237.861,"end":6238.001,"text":"第59個議案"},{"start":6253.533,"end":6278.342,"text":"那我要先說明一下寫在科證中心是因為這個業務是他們所承辦的但我並不是說業務做得不好而是相關的整體計畫我認為需要更上位的整合所以我這邊想要拜託國科會主委、跨部會協調包含術發部的部分、國發會的部分要能夠讓中央部會的科研計畫真的可以被找得到那目前GRB系統只有國科會的部分最齊全"},{"start":6279.222,"end":6280.763,"text":"主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院"},{"start":6297.93,"end":6317.172,"text":"其實對於相關預算執行會非常的可惜那更不要說是中央補助執行到地方政府的部分我們其實更是看不見這個整體的樣貌那這個部分也要請國科會持續精進那關於預算的部分呢我們可以並動可是我們剛剛所提出來的論述也希望國科會後續可以持續協助謝謝"},{"start":6319.842,"end":6323.184,"text":"第4個提案是關於國研院下的科證中心,疑似有發生職場霸凌事件的事。台灣科技科研的人才"},{"start":6340.351,"end":6356.985,"text":"雖然說過去我們是這個有護國群山有這個科技之道但其實現在在面對未來我們的科技人才還是非常的稀缺而且每一個都不能少但是我們卻發現這邊每年離職超過40個人聽起來不多但是離職率可以說是高達30%"},{"start":6358.886,"end":6362.568,"text":"國會資料回覆相對不積極,經過偵詢,其中9人沒有違背員工意願,並沒有正面回應本席關於事件的詢問。國會預算也不少,"},{"start":6379.835,"end":6396.923,"text":"那我們如何能夠這個兼顧我們的同仁在研發上面的一個身心狀況以及管理的妥適的一個情況我們還是希望這個國共會要清楚的說明尤其在大齡世界應該尤其我們這個阿宅就是溝通能力不一定"},{"start":6397.483,"end":6399.664,"text":"行政院主管行政院院長及國會主委提及人型機器人會是未來的"},{"start":6422.879,"end":6450.316,"text":"世界競爭的主流對我們晶片的發展也非常的重要非常有潛力但是我們目前在金創的計畫裡面還是沒有看到人型機器人的發展結果呢昨天這個禮拜這個台積電的董事長呢就開始講了這個全世界最有錢的人接下來就是要押寶人型機器人那台灣的產業會跟上那我們的國研呢我們的這個國科會呢我們相關的科研人才有沒有全面的去跟上我們的預算有配合"},{"start":6450.976,"end":6458.541,"text":"有配合嗎?所以呢我想這是第一個關於這個金創的問題那第74案呢也提到算力的部分"},{"start":6459.81,"end":6481.527,"text":"我們之前一直提到我們國研院的計畫書一次一開始是說要到100plaflops後來又更新資料說280plaflops後來又再加說說要再多加200plaflops變480這個當然是往好的方向發展但一遍再變這是我們做計畫的做法嗎另外我們也在一直質詢說"},{"start":6483.209,"end":6495.599,"text":"這個晶片算力是要預播、預劃後面好幾年的那我們今年再編明年的預算你明年要採購的東西不應該是去看現在的行路你現在可能要去預購"},{"start":6497.254,"end":6525.527,"text":"現在可能已經要出貨的這個Blackwell 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＼二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案。"},{"start":6571.651,"end":6581.879,"text":"資料量到底重不重要?如果主委在這一點的意識上跟整個產業跟整個學界是相反的,那我們編這些預算做什麼呢?我們當然予以凍結,謝謝。好,謝謝盧君。接下來我們請郭育晴委員。"},{"start":6587.725,"end":6608.03,"text":"好那在這一幕的部分我是50、56、70、71那我先就這個第50我想這個國醫院人力它的禁用其實每年都還是有不少的一個缺額啦所以雖然我們好像每年都有在這個編制計畫的人力的部分還有這個預算好像都是有增加的"},{"start":6608.45,"end":6632.298,"text":"但是其實最重要的就是人才在選擇公司第一的考量就是薪資那這個薪資其實如果我們不能跟其他的產業界來做競爭的話我想這個人才的金融很難留任那這個部分我想這個優勢是不是還是要再強化一下就是改善的一些措施那這個部分我是有凍結200萬等一下是可以跟大家一起來並安的處理"},{"start":6633.278,"end":6655.273,"text":"另外在第56案的部分我沒有特別的堅持再來是70跟7170的部分就是我們的這個超級電腦的一個算力的排名其實是一直在落後當中那這個部分是不是可以再加速而且再分析一下這個到底主要的原因是什麼"},{"start":6656.789,"end":6684.557,"text":"那我剛剛說的那個第五十案那個可以改組就一定沒問題補充一下那第七十一就是上次其實我有在這個質詢的時候有特別提到就是那個台德的這個評測的進程那台德評測的這個進程是不是有一個比較具體的一個時程跟一個規劃那也請這個部分來做一個比較詳細的一個說明那這個部分我是可以跟大家一起來並案的一個處理 以上"},{"start":6685.742,"end":6704.548,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6704.568,"end":6713.911,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關"},{"start":6732.276,"end":6739.419,"text":"國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":6757.867,"end":6783.774,"text":"可以再跟大家一起討論另外73案是有關於金創海外基地我想國家實驗研究院的台灣半導體研究中心跟捷克的理工大學有合作管理就是金創海外基地我們這個計劃是藉由雙邊的教授跟學生來互訪然後有深化雙方的鏈結進行研究合作與參與計劃研究人員的訓練"},{"start":6786.795,"end":6794.118,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":6802.381,"end":6805.783,"text":"基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":6822.21,"end":6824.872,"text":"基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":6852.511,"end":6856.482,"text":"好謝謝怡瑾我們接下來有請林千吉委員"},{"start":6859.281,"end":6882.368,"text":"有嗎?好,謝謝昭偉那在這一幕裡面我有三個案那個是51案60跟64那51這個部分是也感謝我們立委同仁這邊的一個提醒所以剛才也是有委員這邊也稍作的提醒有關於這個晶片晶創的這個計畫那當然大家最關注的就是說這個計畫它最先進的技術要留在台灣的這個問題"},{"start":6887.91,"end":6912.367,"text":"當然我們知道這個後端其實還蠻複雜的就產業跟企業來講全球佈局是21世紀大家的一個基本的產業發展的策略但是在前瞻佈局的這個同時後端跟他如何留在而且很安全確定的留在區域的這個問題我想這是很複雜的"},{"start":6916.369,"end":6937.664,"text":"這個控管呢也不是大家現在理解這個雲端的這樣子的一個操作就可以那麼確定的就像我們知道現在的許多詐騙然後跨國集團的犯罪這都需要很多專業的人才那雖然我們樂見這個整個精創不僅在本土可能也為我們在開出另外一個階段的路"},{"start":6938.084,"end":6965.286,"text":"但是呢在全球佈局的情況下那如何真的確保他的安全我想這個應該是不僅是你們啦各部會大家都很關注的一個議題當然我們今天不可能就技術層面談得太多但是這個很重要的我們還是在這邊做個提醒那另外但是那個十個項目那個國科會雖然很有誠意的來溝通但是常常在那個比如說你們如果有十個項目可能就會跟我們說一二三四等這樣"},{"start":6965.947,"end":6968.068,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第二、繼續審查"},{"start":6994.755,"end":7021.03,"text":"6、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案。adequacy Act 海洋主題其實在各部會大概有關於海洋主題大家做的主要的內容是什麼然後產出是什麼其實在台灣我們雖然說以海立國大家應該也都很清楚如果問在座有多少人能夠游泳我們可能可以舉手的人已經很確如了更何況跟海相關的"},{"start":7022.051,"end":7028.396,"text":"科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":7048.989,"end":7074.691,"text":"不要各行其道雖然你們是所謂的推手那也算是一個支持系統但是你們自己也提到嘛這個支持系統的一個無力感那也沒有辦法符合其實在海的事務大部分人都不太理解所以這個我們也只能堂家說謊話所以支持系統的不足或者是其他相關部會大家應該談清楚的是"},{"start":7075.271,"end":7077.092,"text":"國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算"},{"start":7094.376,"end":7109.102,"text":"繼續在耳庭面面的跟你們做溝通跟提醒希望海的部分我們也希望透過國科會雖然你們是專業的研究單位但是在教學然後在這個宣導上還是可以再更積極好嗎"},{"start":7110.442,"end":7112.525,"text":"最主要你們談到能夠帶動南台灣在技術層面的一個產業平台網絡"},{"start":7125.925,"end":7137.778,"text":"當然他的重點是你們集中在台南的沙崙那我這邊要幫嘉義跟高雄說個話你們延展出去好像也都是南科那但是在嘉義跟高雄其實相關的這個園區我覺得應該某種程度你們應該也做一些連結"},{"start":7140.661,"end":7158.52,"text":"當然這些原因他有某一些比較強的主題但是跟你們這個主題有關的你們還是有責任在如你們所講的那未來這個科技大南方那整個南方你們不能忽視相關的鄰近區域好這是我的一個提醒尊重主席最後整體的處理謝謝好謝謝倩琪委員接下來我們請彥元智委員"},{"start":7164.504,"end":7187.482,"text":"我覺得65案之前也有跟主委詢問過就是說我們現在也推一個自己的可生成的AI但是使用率不高那當初那個國科會設定的目標一年才一萬次下載四年兩萬次我覺得這個很沒有雄心壯志如果要花這麼多錢做的話目標值應該提高要把它做到好謝謝"},{"start":7192.762,"end":7212.031,"text":"好來第四幕124億那聽過很多委員大的講法其實我想我們都一致就是讓國家科技發展好的部分我們沒有反對的理由但是我們都希望是能夠做到位所以我總共有三個案第一個案53案的部分這個是我們國科會當時的一個計畫也講述到"},{"start":7214.872,"end":7227.557,"text":"第115年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第115年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第117年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案第117年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":7246.426,"end":7261.098,"text":"的實質進程作為到底在哪裡我們當然希望完成所以提出來相關解凍的部分我們也希望國科會能夠更進一步的告訴我們說現在我們掌握的狀況62案算例大家都講到"},{"start":7262.159,"end":7271.207,"text":"預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":7287.97,"end":7301.535,"text":"那119年那個時候有沒有算過說世界各國其他國家的算力會成長到什麼程度我當然知道說如果可以119年到431的時候很不錯啊我們自己成長8倍那別人會不會成長80倍"},{"start":7303.891,"end":7331.286,"text":"主委可以理解我意思嗎就是說這個是一個相對值不是絕對值嘛所以我們現在要看的是說當117年或119年的時候世界各國我們的國家的排名跟其他國家的一個比較我們是屬於維持還是有所進展還是可能會相對落後學如逆水行舟不進則退嘛這一點我想我需要聽到更進一步的一個說法那以及第77案的部分"},{"start":7331.766,"end":7335.988,"text":"國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":7359.181,"end":7377.173,"text":"我覺得也許對於我們推廣的這個信心也好或說應用層面也好可以更廣我想公部門的運用這一點是我們到目前還沒有辦法說很具體看到那我們也希望是能夠更多的公部門的運用來使用我們國科會的這樣的一個系統以上三點 謝謝"},{"start":7378.527,"end":7401.857,"text":"好 謝謝孟凱 有請科資委員好 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實施在國府中心的業務,在台澳中子人才培育的部分"},{"start":10343.415,"end":10365.75,"text":"雖然你們有回復到112年有回復到35但是補助的主持人卻是不斷的下滑這其實我已經有提過然後你們在疫情過後的這個改變也沒有辦法讓更說服讓更多人來這個研究宗旨相關的領域似乎也證明相關計畫存續的必要性了所以我這個案子85萬我已經建議凍結300萬我很簡單的先做這樣的回應謝謝好謝謝智恩下一位"},{"start":10370.762,"end":10371.162,"text":"國務卿委員國務卿委員"},{"start":10389.203,"end":10401.034,"text":"這個新的設施的排成呢會變得太過擁擠我是建議說這個是不是能夠還是保持它的維運那如果我可以這樣同意的話我這邊的這個凍結也不做太多堅持謝謝"},{"start":10403.606,"end":10431.745,"text":"那我簡短的發言就是熱國不中心我們也是關心有關於那個TLS跟TPS的一個銜接的部分那因為有來做說明所以這邊我也不堅持我可以跟大家一起並動處理謝謝好謝謝雅玲佩儀有沒有我的巴勒斯案跟剛剛雅玲的體驗其實是一樣的就是有關TPS、TLS的銜接時程國公會已經有做說明那看起來是有這個彈性的時程所以這一案我就並動"},{"start":10434.235,"end":10438.618,"text":"五、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":10453.449,"end":10456.112,"text":"第六目非營業特種基金"},{"start":10473.44,"end":10482.968,"text":"還是要從後面開始好不好?好,我的90案我要改成主決議。好,快一點快一點。好,沒問題。"},{"start":10485.657,"end":10515.657,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":10516.258,"end":10536.438,"text":"第99案的這個部分呢,都是關於延攬人才的培訓的部分。97案是因為我本席有看了一下數據,就是這個女性投入科學及技術研究這個相關的業務呢,我們女性來申請的這個相關的這個案件呢,真的就少了很多,一直都很少。那是不是說我們"},{"start":10538.139,"end":10567.217,"text":"為什麼女性比較不願意申請計劃的原因是什麼我們如何調解性別友善的這個措施這個部分我也希望說我們這邊國科會這邊提供書面報告給我這個案子也可以改成主決議那再來就是關於審計部有對我們博士級這個研究人員也來提出檢討那你們也說會更積極的來協助我們相關的這些核心的這些設施的尖端的高階操作人才"},{"start":10567.717,"end":10586.049,"text":"但是我們應該是不是要鼓勵他們就是投入政治及產業來發展不是就一直用計劃型的經費來延續來短期的延攬這個部分我希望你們可以再對這個部分提出一個改進的這個方案這個案我也可以改成主決議那剩下100案的這個部分呢這個"},{"start":10587.39,"end":10601.884,"text":"因為大南方產業生態這個推動方案你們只說了一個這樣子的四大佈局那沒有明確的目標所以這個我希望說你們可以再做更詳細的說明這個部分我提供金額是500萬我不堅持可以跟其他委員一起並同處理以上謝謝所以秀寶你是97、98、99都改組決議嗎?好 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規定國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案。"},{"start":12720.967,"end":12722.387,"text":"總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":12752.238,"end":12766.206,"text":"國科會協助學界人數可以慢慢,雖然我們人口在減少,但是我反而是希望做計畫的教授未來還會再更多。我先跟各位委員報告到這裡。"},{"start":12772.29,"end":12790.863,"text":"主委,我還是忍不住啊,剛剛林倩琦委員是提到就是說他們有一關不管是私校或是一些技職的一個系統,你國家科學光是要申請你的計畫50%是你先前的研究,50%是你新的研究,它前面50%的先前研究被你們打回票了,他們那個分數都很低,所以不是你不是大小院,是你們的計畫的申請的"},{"start":12792.284,"end":12795.026,"text":"事由：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":12815.362,"end":12815.982,"text":"謝謝委員其實我們已經在修改這些規定了我們有在修改"},{"start":12838.649,"end":12859.816,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。netesa,您有讓他們這些技職或是一些從來沒有申請過,然後一輩子也沒有辦法拿到你們獎勵這些老師,有因此得到比較好的一個方式嗎?其實我跟萬兆偉也提過這個事。所以把它說清楚嗎?因為這個現在有一個新的計劃。有新的計劃會推出來了。你要把它說清楚嗎?有新的計劃會推出來了。你要稍微說一下嗎?不會以這個標準,我們會。"},{"start":12866.787,"end":12882.257,"text":"主委的計劃你還是沒有回答我為什麼你選擇那個健康照顧跟餐飲那個根本招生不足你為什麼選擇這兩個那個我想我們把它仔細的講清楚好不好因為那天我們跟主委就這個議題那主委有做了一個計畫出來那我覺得想死然後看看明年能不能落實這樣好不好"},{"start":12882.977,"end":12908.542,"text":"報告委員我們那個計劃往年叫鼓勵那今年因為主委上任之後特別強調這塊工作所以我們把鼓勵拿掉然後變成是我們常態性的計劃那過去計劃一般型大概上限是八十萬那今年我們已經公告了上限是一百萬那另外我們還有跨域施作的型是五百萬然後過去是一年增一次計劃現在一年要增兩次計劃標準不是我們我們我們請他請提出一些施作的場域因為我們希望"},{"start":12909.978,"end":12936.705,"text":"已經公告了這是我們的那個計畫公告然後大概我們11月就公告然後11月底有辦了一個說明會那因為其實這個計畫希望透過國科會的資源幫即時教育特別是實作學生的培育部分能夠強要他一些能力所以我們在計畫申請書是不看paper的主要是看他的實作場域跟參與企業跟學生的實作狀況那另外私校部分主委有指示我們下一梯次因為明年7月還有第二梯我會把它納進去作為一個一個計畫徵求一個重點是"},{"start":12939.106,"end":12967.018,"text":"所以其實你們這個計畫你就是要把它說清楚嘛因為我們委員大家都很重視這個技術教育然後因為我們過去的這些補助都是在幾乎新英社國立大學但我們也希望就是師大他有這樣子的一個意願喔也希望有這樣的努力我們要給他鼓勵所以有這樣的計畫應該要跟委員會報告清楚我們會加長宣導謝謝各位我這邊先查一下話主委還有那個輝瑞同仁喔有一點喔就是說你現在講我才知道有相關的計畫"},{"start":12967.938,"end":12996.417,"text":"但是這個相關計畫我們其實在之前是不知道的可是你們11月公佈了這又回應到我之前提到原住民的部分可不可以有個人的申請那主委很爽快的答應了可是等到你們做出來的時候公告的時候那根本又跟我提的又南轅北轍也就是說當你們給個別申請的時候你又給他限定在一個主題這就我一直反映你們不要讓原住民的研究就只有在族群只有在社會人文難道我們永遠跳脫不出來博物館的這樣一個思維嗎"},{"start":12998.152,"end":13019.166,"text":"對,所以這個部分也是一樣,所以不好意思齁,重點就是說,你們在我們質詢完之後,你們可以把你們做的東西跟我們實質相關的,讓我們了解,要不然我們利益良善,結果你們做出來都是另外一種限制,這聽起來這個也是一樣,剛才柯委員其實也很清楚的表述,就是說"},{"start":13020.566,"end":13039.356,"text":"幾個問題就是你們過去補助的樣態就是你們的規則嘛就會變成強者越強弱者越弱嘛到最後乾脆就不要申請因為跟你們你們遊戲規則是這樣大家就沒有辦法嘛那已經長期這樣子了那大家已經形成了一種文化跟你們申請你們也是沒有誠意的嘛就像我剛才講的大小眼"},{"start":13039.696,"end":13041.236,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":13064.028,"end":13083.394,"text":"所以我們要不要凍結,你們讓我們把計畫講清楚,我們才知道怎麼執行。要不然,我們現在講了,然後你們做的是另外一回事,那離我們講的方向差很遠。好,謝謝委員,謝謝。那范委員還補充,不用了啦。那個孟海委員因為剛剛去質詢,剛進來,那您的案子,然後你要做說明。"},{"start":13085.629,"end":13102.601,"text":"感謝喔這邊有兩個案子11111這個已經是老問題了預算中心這邊也都提了很多次但是每一次國客會或是相關部會都推給主計總署喔就是主計總署這樣編那我們每一次提出來的時候我們也想說那應該是各部門要跟主計總署這邊溝通要"},{"start":13104.002,"end":13107.823,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":13124.75,"end":13130.494,"text":"AI現在台灣AI行動計畫已經有1.0跟2.0了分別投入288億跟409億將近700億的行動計畫但人工智慧基本法勒"},{"start":13140.54,"end":13160.792,"text":"這個很現實嘛 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害馬愛BOT所有部會每一個人就掛個AI兩個字好像這個計畫就變新的一樣但另外一方面我們的最基本人工智慧基本法到現在只聞樓梯響"},{"start":13162.193,"end":13184.742,"text":"所以在125案本席所提出來的第6幕尤其我針對的這個統籌發展5億多的一個經費凍結10%那我想這我就是會堅持我這凍結10%的一個部分那其他可以併整個幕但我至少這凍結10%這邊我堅持然後等我們AI人工智慧基本法"},{"start":13185.765,"end":13195.813,"text":"主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院主管行政院"},{"start":13216.954,"end":13243.131,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":13244.838,"end":13244.898,"text":"主席"},{"start":13274.838,"end":13303.575,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":13307.461,"end":13308.847,"text":"教育及文化委員會及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":13310.218,"end":13326.567,"text":"國科會在114年度預算案主決議的部分來我跟大家全部報告一次140140案到150案國科會遵照辦理我們照案通過146案郭昱賢有一個案子撤案那147案到154案國科會遵照辦理我們照案通過"},{"start":13337.694,"end":13353.272,"text":"155案156案文字修正後按照修正通過157案到168案那國科會增照辦理我們照案通過然後南部科學園區管理局以上"},{"start":13364.915,"end":13376.542,"text":"主席主席抱歉我知道我還是要提一下啦剛剛第6幕的一個部分齁既然主席也已經裁示說凍結5000萬啦那但是其實我的部分125萬我是凍結10%其實是5200多萬啦"},{"start":13381.365,"end":13393.563,"text":"我尊重主席才是連這兩百萬也不要凍結我尊重但是我要求說明年的解凍條件一定是行政院這邊要送出人工智慧基本法"},{"start":13394.921,"end":13415.532,"text":"以及你相關書面報告其他委員要什麼書面報告因為我只有提125案所以其他委員要什麼書面報告這是要尊重其他委員但一定還有包括說行政院這邊要送出人工智慧基本法到立法院我們這邊才有可能解凍好不好好我們把它記錄下來但是明年的解凍案的時候我們來處理"},{"start":13417.227,"end":13419.988,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":13448.638,"end":13450.279,"text":"對稅數的部分170案羅廷維委員在哪裡170案"},{"start":13476.122,"end":13493.467,"text":"大陸旅遊費他們有來說明但是我想詢問一下這筆費用如果編給你們,你們有辦法去嗎?我們還是遵照政府的政策政府的政策就是鼓勵說不要去嗎?如果是這樣我們就會這樣我們這個部分就凍結28萬好不好?國共會是沒問題吧?"},{"start":13498.08,"end":13501.621,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":13527.096,"end":13551.552,"text":"我這邊有提凍結100以上好第一幕凍結100萬國國有沒有意見沒有問題好那我們就凍結100萬我們書面報告之後使得動之是的是的第四幕第四幕是從172案到179案我們剛剛是後面還是前面好我們從前面來有沒有"},{"start":13554.448,"end":13556.952,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":13560.285,"end":13584.401,"text":"好,我提的部分最主要是因為農產園區雖然出租率有達98%但是只有4家的機體電路廠商進駐啦我自己是覺得說雖然有來做說明但是到底要如何去提升我們更多的廠商的進駐率那個誘因我現在是看不太清、看不太到啦所以還是希望可以跟大家可以再有詳細的書面說明那我這部、我這一個案子可以跟大家一起並動處理,謝謝好,有沒有其他委員在"},{"start":13585.615,"end":13589.317,"text":"：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會及所屬單位預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算"},{"start":13601.553,"end":13604.114,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":13624.181,"end":13643.788,"text":"大陸地區旅遊我想就直接動了吧22萬國科會有沒有問題沒有問題沒有好來接下來一樣是書面報告以後使得動之是然後再來我們看到第一幕一樣是羅廷瑋委員來我請教一下國科會凍結100萬有沒有問題好沒有問題所以182案我們凍結100萬書面報告之後使得動之第4幕的部分我們園區業務的推展從183號到187案"},{"start":13655.38,"end":13683.445,"text":"來張雅琳委員好那這一案我主要是在討論我們的臺中園區的一個擴建的進度啦那因為有來做說明所以這部分我就不堅持那我可以調降我原本的凍結可以改成50萬謝謝好那本席在這裡也有184、185、186等下跟大家一起隔壁院沒有來然後第四幕張雅琳委員調降到50萬那那個我想這樣好不好這一幕我們就凍結100萬"},{"start":13685.441,"end":13692.948,"text":"好,那書面報告以後使得動機。南部科學園區管理局稅入,那這部分有沒有問題?沒有問題。好,那我們就一樣。"},{"start":13696.963,"end":13700.685,"text":"政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案"},{"start":13720.014,"end":13733.581,"text":"好,那這個191案針對是南部我們的科學園區的一個中語部的一個招生,那有來做說明我也可以理解,所以這部分我就不堅持,我可以改成主決議。謝謝委員。好,那個羅廷瑋委員。192案齁,都大致相同。那我是凍結100萬,謝謝。"},{"start":13742.52,"end":13768.88,"text":"好,那我們在第一幕的部分我們就凍結一百萬,國科院沒問題?沒有問題好,那我們凍結一百萬書面報告之後,使得凍資第四幕,園區業務推展那羅庭玥委員?照提案,謝謝好,那這部分193案本席也有提案那我們就併案凍結一百萬書面報告之後,使得凍資好,謝謝委員好"},{"start":13773.806,"end":13801.602,"text":"主決議的部分195、196、197案我們照案通過191案改組決議那個雅琳的案子各位現在我們來繼續審查拿出行政院國家科學技術發展基金"},{"start":13802.847,"end":13815.222,"text":"有都拿出來了嗎?有,好。我們先從基金來源喔。準備好了嗎?校保委員。"},{"start":13822.911,"end":13831.136,"text":"主席,基金來源的部分呢,我這邊是提希望說,本來是說要增列1500,因為其實114年度財產收入的全基金收入是編列是10億1017萬9千元。"},{"start":13839.201,"end":13855.044,"text":"總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學"},{"start":13865.646,"end":13887.154,"text":"科學這邊有來說明有來討論過後我可以接受做出增列1000萬以上好那我們在基金來源的部分我們就增列1000萬好接下來我們來看基金用途基金用途的部分的話我們先看第一部分是第三案到第19案"},{"start":13890.309,"end":13917.163,"text":"來我們羅廷惠委員我們這是不是從後面啊對啊好來來羅廷惠委員好台灣市售中藥材喔有部分仰賴進口品質常常因為來源不同極大差異國科會就導入數位科技協助中藥材的品質管理開發DNA的藥材作為鑑別技術這個之前我有質詢過喔前主委有口頭允諾我要做但是到現在都沒有做所以我很堅持喔所以要動五千萬那我幫那個吳春城委員講他說改組決議以上"},{"start":13919.975,"end":13935.325,"text":"對不起我有檢列一千萬凍結五千萬謝謝我是第七案好所以檢列也堅持嗎好來下一位是的我們順序過大家就舉個手好嗎我們現在是從後面開始陳培宇委員"},{"start":13940.282,"end":13970.282,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":13971.703,"end":13973.444,"text":"科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":14000.394,"end":14015.1,"text":"第三案、第四案、第十六案我都改成組決議,那第十四案因為政大的老師來跟我溝通過,所以呢我還是要求在組,我可以把它改成組決議,但是我要求在有關於提到的"},{"start":14015.74,"end":14041.045,"text":"明年會改政案的方式而且有關研究團隊的問題我希望能夠反映在組決議當中好不好所以變成3、4、14、16我改都變成組決議但是14我強調裡面的組團隊組成的部分要明確的在組決議裡面反映出來那其他的部分在第12案的部分我還是建議我我"},{"start":14042.265,"end":14052.295,"text":"有來過說明但是我認為說明不夠所以我還是要認為應該是動300萬的這樣子一個案子我就不多說了好不好好謝謝"},{"start":14063.393,"end":14077.322,"text":"本席的10案跟國務軍委員11案還有柯政委員12案其實都是一樣培養優秀學者我們都期待我們也希望是說能夠為台灣多一些這個新興的一個人力但是對於我們的這個國科會計畫不能說只是"},{"start":14080.194,"end":14104.921,"text":"給予相關的補助但是沒有做後續的一個培養或是說後續的這個持續的追蹤甚至我們還是要持續的累積不然一年又一年的這個績效沒有累積的話我覺得非常可惜所以我們才會講是說你包括後續的這一些獲得的一個補助應該要有相關的一個績效指標以及後續追蹤就業等相關的狀況"},{"start":14106.28,"end":14113.447,"text":"本席提出這一個項目裡面凍結5%那我也看到是說有委員凍結2000萬以及剛剛柯志文委員凍結300萬我想取一個中間值"},{"start":14119.292,"end":14146.936,"text":"羅廷偉沒有五千萬啊他是整目我現在講的是就針對我們第十案、十一案、十二案這三案裡面的十七億九千多萬的培育優秀學者研究計畫的部分那我建議就取個中間值就葛盧君委員的凍結兩千萬以上謝謝好那我想還是是請那個郭貴惠則要回答一下"},{"start":14152.365,"end":14165.979,"text":"謝謝委員有一些寶貴的建議那我們會採納後續報告也會提出來但是我還是希望請委員能夠支持我們提出來的這些預算"},{"start":14172.482,"end":14194.437,"text":"動結數是不是可以我來處理好了那個動結數因為剛才那個羅廷偉委員有說他的部分他還蠻堅持五千萬那那個孟翰委員剛剛有把他的五趴然後在這一案當中那希望凍結兩千萬那我想是不是就全部一起並動五千萬相互加把相互不同"},{"start":14198.727,"end":14226.629,"text":"7千萬不是為什麼是上加?因為我們其他委員都還沒有表達沒有沒有那個是每一個人可以說他的想法嘛當然喔來那所以范委員你覺得呢我覺得這裡就是兩千萬就差不多了吧因為就是剛剛聽到並不是說明顯有什麼很大的問題然後都有回應的話那是不是因為我們前面已經動很多了欸那這裡是不是兩千萬就可以了"},{"start":14230.256,"end":14250.648,"text":"其實科技發展基金其實就是我們國科會主要的經費的來源就跟我們剛剛討論的那些施政項目其實就是相關的啦那還是期望那我們五千好了"},{"start":14253.235,"end":14281.024,"text":"我想主席這邊來宣告一下這個部分其實是不同的計劃案但是因為剛才廷輝委員他也有在他這個部分說得很清楚所以他希望明年的時候有更詳盡的資料可以給他我想孟漢委員的兩千萬我們全部整個整目就是併動五千萬國科會可以嗎?好 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