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是程序非常的不正義所以現在擠啊他知道通過之後社會大中要算帳啊"},{"start":3766.863,"end":3786.231,"text":"所以急了在這個地方才趕快這邊發言不然為什麼講跟今天的主題完全都沒有相關的事情呢是第二個你剛剛講的很對啊財政收支劃分當然錢跟權要一起來分配嘛是啊新北市政府突然之間拿到300多億"},{"start":3789.246,"end":3800.454,"text":"過去從現在往前推4年新北市政府為例他的財政全部都是plus就是他有剩餘結果現在立法突然要給他300多億"},{"start":3802.99,"end":3818.637,"text":"臺北市更多那你又沒有讓他要多做什麼事情突然天山掉下來幾百億市政府要怎麼花這條錢我們沒有人知道啊他也沒有法定義務的增加啊"},{"start":3820.245,"end":3840.735,"text":"所以這個是非常的不合理嘛所以我跟委員報告這一次的問題就第一個垂直分配完全沒有討論釋出太多會衝擊到中央的施政好我再因為今天的主題我告訴你我速度稍微快一點你我都心知肚明第三他剛剛放影片說很多縣市長都在說那是2012年的時候對不對那2012年請問馬英九從2008年到2016年當總統"},{"start":3848.298,"end":3856.806,"text":"國民黨如果這麼著急財政收支劃分法當時國民黨立法院的多數啊我第8屆立委的時候民進黨只有40席第7屆民進黨更只有27席"},{"start":3861.96,"end":3884.619,"text":"那是完全免押為什麼他們不通過顯然有非常大的困難嘛是那時候我全程在場那時候全程在場那時候呢就是也就是大家都沒有共識嘛這件事情就是因為要凝聚各縣市的共識所以有非常大的困難馬英九當總統那八年"},{"start":3885.64,"end":3908.675,"text":"大家有一再講說這個財政水準法來討論他也沒有辦法啊他也通不過啊國民黨那時候立法院委員的比例還更多數啊那他們執政的時候有困難但呢現在民進黨執政民進黨也有困難需要比較長的時間來凝聚共識的時候他們就不行了他們就要碾壓了嘛事實就是這樣嘛"},{"start":3909.921,"end":3910.542,"text":"主席"},{"start":3933.775,"end":3960.633,"text":"馬上就要元旦了是元旦101大樓會放煙火是準備了怎麼樣其實跟委員報告一下這個準備是經過一個非常長時間的整個計畫我上任之前8月底的時候整個煙火的預算已經結標了廠商已經拿到這個標案了我是9月3號的時候上任上任之後大概第二天就開始開這個煙火會議了"},{"start":3962.715,"end":3977.907,"text":"當時設定的主題呢在我上任之前設定的主題是共創美好未來那那個時候我會覺得說這個主題可能稍微規矩了一點所以呢我們就把它改成了Amazing Taiwan我們是第二次是這個主題的版本"},{"start":3978.847,"end":3999.089,"text":"接下來就有不斷的煙火的討論的會議最後我們確定的是這次的今年的煙火是5加1分鐘往年通常都是5分鐘那今年我們有加碼了1分鐘那在發書的方面一定也會讓國人非常的驚豔另外就是我們也加了雷射"},{"start":3999.79,"end":4010.357,"text":"臺灣英雄會用一個我要先保密不同的形式出場所以我想其實在這個代表我們臺灣我們最後是因為棒球得了冠軍我們就用Team 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全部都一樣這是私企公用私企公用要獨立自己才叫私企公用"},{"start":4247.674,"end":4248.014,"text":"最後一個問題喔"},{"start":4268.3,"end":4294.737,"text":"因為你們都一直滿足啦有人一直在跟我們反映說他想要進去都進不去你們這個方面的標準是一定要到國際的高代價品牌才能夠進入嗎?是,我們一定要是非常就是具有這種國際競爭力的品牌然後也希望是對我們臺灣的未來譬如說科技產業、醫療生技產業、AI產業希望是以這樣子的產業為主目標還有金融產業"},{"start":4295.538,"end":4295.958,"text":"好 謝謝接著請耐斯堡委員發言"},{"start":4338.575,"end":4350.844,"text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進有請兆豐的董董事長以及101的賈董事長董事長先請教兆豐的董董事長你那今年應該獲利創新高嗎"},{"start":4364.864,"end":4392.77,"text":"還好 報告委員還好不是還好是創新高嗎沒有沒有沒有比去年更好啦沒有比去年更因為我們在美國的CRE那一部分我們受的受傷蠻嚴重的虧了一些啦但是如果美國不算應該創新高啦對吧美國那一部分如果不算因為上一次的問題法孫的問題如果沒有的話就創新高我現在重點在於年終獎金你要給多少"},{"start":4394.424,"end":4421.124,"text":"報告委員我們現在還在核算不過應該不會比去年平均多少?去年多少?去年去年大概可以到加大概七八個月啦七八個月喔?對啊今年不會比去年差吧?我們希望能夠維持同樣的幅度所以可以上看八個月這就可以成立吧?上看八個月希望可以達到目標明年加薪的幅度勒?"},{"start":4422.08,"end":4430.435,"text":"報告委員3%3%因為我們上次你說上次在這裡你說4%咧沒有沒有3%而已我聽錯了沒有我們另外還有每一年加7%的升級啦"},{"start":4435.714,"end":4458.252,"text":"每一年我們還有加薪晉級那部分大概在一點多%所以那是自然每一年不管有沒有每一年的巡工價價多少巡工價價多少3%啊3%對兆豐加薪叫你賺錢跟政府一樣浪費啊浪費啊報告委員我們獎金可以多發但是薪水我們就比照比照公司好我們請教謝謝我們的前董事長啊"},{"start":4460.287,"end":4475.457,"text":"主席好、委員好你今年啦是今年比去年賺錢吧什麼、什麼今年比去年賺錢吧賺錢是是,我們增加了我們的營業額呢增加了大概7點多趴對7點多趴,那臨終獎金怎麼樣"},{"start":4478.639,"end":4497.267,"text":"我們的年終獎金其實是一個很不錯的,對於員工的福利是一個很不錯的數字可是這個數字我們好像沒有辦法公開因為我要報告董事會啊,董事會沒有要我公開,我不能公開"},{"start":4499.668,"end":4502.19,"text":"今年比去年好,所以當然獎金也比去年多啊。"},{"start":4522.649,"end":4544.598,"text":"好,謝謝委員幫我們的員工徵取這麼多的福利。當然啊!謝謝,謝謝,很感謝。你們的加薪幅度呢?加薪幅度啊,我覺得我的答案要跟董董事長一樣。要3%?3%?不是不是,我們就是會按照比例,然後我們還有各方面的考級,我們還有評審。"},{"start":4547.54,"end":4565.135,"text":"你現在不是只有過去的身份,你現在是某種程度是官員的啦,類官員喔,類似官員我幫你算了你去年的EPS1.15吧,你今年有說比去年好,就是好歹1.25、1.3,你才是較好一點喔,對不對?"},{"start":4569.657,"end":4581.195,"text":"所以今年當然當然要,要漲金要多一點啊好,謝謝委員一直幫助大家我們臺北101的同事應該會很愛你,真的不是,你說,你,你剛好在這裡具體承諾說好,我就這樣做"},{"start":4583.655,"end":4603.622,"text":"我沒有辦法承諾我要跟董事會做報告那如果董事會都同意我們當然是OK啊你董事長你可以講說我希望這樣最後經過董事會的同意這樣就可以啊是是是我更是我們今年你到底心目中有沒有準備辦法多少啦"},{"start":4604.602,"end":4629.821,"text":"我心目中已經有確切的數字了真的而且我們12月18號開董事會的時候我們在今年的所有的這個該發的獎金都已經確認了確認的月數確實都確認好了那個不是什麼機密我們說來這裡來立法院這裡基本上是如實作答這憲法規定的要講實話沒什麼機密這沒什麼機密的而且陪你宣傳啊"},{"start":4631.262,"end":4635.846,"text":"總經理,我確認,我們可以講出實際的數字嗎?當然可以啊,為什麼不能講?奇怪。因為這真的董事會沒有要我講,我不能講,抱歉。還是我之後補資料給你。我們是秘密薪資。"},{"start":4650.757,"end":4662.542,"text":"啊?要保密協議?沒有,EPS我沒有講個人,我講overall的,這不是什麼經歷了。你這個關刀的太短了。你overall我講出來之後你算一算你也知道啊?"},{"start":4663.51,"end":4669.154,"text":"委員我收到我會很努力的把數字在經營方面的數字獲得去年跟蔣萬安今年除了蔣萬安有沒有其他人同工"},{"start":4690.196,"end":4713.061,"text":"蔣萬安然後去年是跟蔣萬安同框那個煙火秀是今年有沒有除了蔣萬安以外有沒有其他人我當然很期望跟蔣萬安市長我們今年應該就是一樣我在上個禮拜跟TVBS那邊開了直播會議因為TVBS是轉播市政府的你應該不要請財政部長財政部長是你的長官"},{"start":4716.082,"end":4718.345,"text":"有一個啊當然每個人看法不一樣啦你跟你老公在怎麼恩愛啊用那個看板弄一個有決同心啦加總市長不宜啦"},{"start":4732.863,"end":4758.27,"text":"好這個不宜啦因為你們怎麼秀恩愛在旁邊的地方這是一個公共的平台你用那個的話人家就會講公器私用啦雖然你不認為這樣子可是你說你捐錢就可以不是啦話不是這樣講董事長你現在等於是某種程度你是官員你的作風舉止要跟你過去的身份是不一樣的要比較嚴謹OK好啦"},{"start":4760.111,"end":4760.431,"text":"財政部董事長"},{"start":4777.22,"end":4785.463,"text":"來 次長你這個人剛才回答的時候就青菜公共完全政治語言啊什麼就沒有討論財劃法從今年的5月20號第一次審查審查會6次公聽會2次"},{"start":4792.486,"end":4815.497,"text":"查會卸上1次委員發言168次還有巡打總共經歷了38小時48分鐘什麼為什麼沒有討論呢你不能這個變成通靈政治化啊這個柔安社長你講這個話我鄙視你啊我瞧不起你啊政治措施在這裡啊請問你有沒有巡打有沒有巡打"},{"start":4816.539,"end":4836.518,"text":"有沒有巡打?有巡打啊,怎麼沒有討論呢?當然有討論啊,怎麼沒有呢?處理的過程,欸,審查會六次耶,怎麼沒有?怎麼會這樣子呢?順便講講另外,有時間不多我就挑重點來講啦,你們來看啊,來,你們發大新聞啊"},{"start":4840.202,"end":4849.633,"text":"完全政治化的新聞稿說 喔 竟然會再播出去我們114年是你們寫的喔 財政部寫的喔114年給地方1.15兆如果再發出去3753會影響經濟發展影響社會福利影響官方安全 真鬼喔"},{"start":4859.639,"end":4873.771,"text":"你們審計部的報告、審計部的報告你不要講了2021年稅金剩餘喔你開了就完了2979億2022年4993億2023年2791億你們根本就是有3000億到5000億根本花都花不完怎麼會影響你的政務笑死人啦這個就政治語言隨便講講啦"},{"start":4887.322,"end":4895.546,"text":"我跟委員報告我是覺得財化法是這樣啦是說不管誰執政這是一個根本大法我們現在要跟地方要夠理性討論我們的溝通我們現在通過的但是現在通過的我們現在意思是說"},{"start":4910.873,"end":4917.598,"text":"在討論過程當中,執政黨的相關委員的發言都沒有採納。這是一個問題。第二個問題就是說,目前對地方的財政資源已經達到一兆多了。"},{"start":4931.227,"end":4942.136,"text":"所以你現在什麼事情都沒有影響你就發3000多億給地方政府有什麼問題呢照樣做什麼意思講影響國防最主要影響什麼國防你還剩3000億到5000億你每年剩3000億到5000億那個錢給地方政府有什麼不對"},{"start":4949.002,"end":4971.69,"text":"我跟委員報告我是覺得財化不是不能夠修正的你講的真的有問題啊大家一定要充分討論你講這個話都聽不懂啊對農事長啊你講話都聽不懂啊我一直跟你講你都沒有回答我你每年剩三千里到五千里那個錢給地方政府有什麼不對有什麼問題但是問題是有什麼東西"},{"start":4974.751,"end":4986.338,"text":"如果再增加三千七百五十三億再加上另外一個條文一般補助款又不能減少你怎麼講補助款我們來看喔來看喔來看喔請你看請你看一下資料我做功課的大家看來來來下一張下一張來"},{"start":4998.854,"end":5025.835,"text":"我們看六都啊我們主要看兩個一個統籌社款一個補助收入補助包括一般補助跟中二補助第一名高雄市第二名新北市第三名台北市台北市沒有拿最多啦第三名113年台北市第四名114年去預算外台北市第五名啦"},{"start":5026.776,"end":5029.077,"text":"臺北市給他416億臺北市就是這樣"},{"start":5044.787,"end":5068.11,"text":"他們跟華老爸講完了,那個郭文燒修理了一下,這個很重要,臺北市增加416億,總共就只有1277億,要輸高雄是不是輸天天天的,高雄還是第一,整會議都是第一,第一,它不是第一就是第二,你再加上去還是第一,"},{"start":5068.59,"end":5088.537,"text":"沒有啦,我覺得這個數字是個修化。我數字在這裡,我數字在這裡什麼叫沒有?我數字在這裡!數字在這裡!所以那個,那個次長啊,你今天的回答啊,不知所云啊!"},{"start":5089.717,"end":5102.521,"text":"完全不進入狀況,心虛啊!車長,你今天來這裡啊,不跟你講什麼啦!我跟你講數字!我跟你講數字!統籌分配稅要加補助款,這個才是全部的!臺北市112年第3名,113年第4名,114年第5名!再加統籌分配稅款,臺北市遠落後,高雄市輸了200億!"},{"start":5118.666,"end":5145.591,"text":"這是事實這是事實這是事實我最後一句話我最後一句話你們每一年剩了快3000億到5000億那些錢給地方大家都很高啊所以不要苦求什麼還恐嚇從龍派開始恐嚇老百姓期需的時候老百姓說天災你給的5000"},{"start":5148.391,"end":5172.887,"text":"卓榮泰啊、石岩啊、所有的批評講話,毫不進入狀況,這些東西我再講一遍,我就下去了主席你三名,你稍安勿躁啦,113年台北市第三名,113年台北市第四名,114年台北市第五名,現在台北市以後第五名"},{"start":5173.507,"end":5193.614,"text":"好多討論啦!大家看這個啦!臺北市不是這樣說啊!大家都愛你們的臺北市!主席!你們點點台南市!我已經多跟你好幾分鐘了啊!這個郭國文委員一直在下面跟我抗議啊!你要嫉妒!那個台南市的你要嫉妒高雄市的!我台南市的很慘啊!我的民間很慘啊!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝!謝謝"},{"start":5213.284,"end":5221.609,"text":"主席謝謝有請佳瑤姐董事長跟兆豐金的董董好請佳瑤姐董事長跟董董事長"},{"start":5236.321,"end":5253.594,"text":"委員好 董事長好 董事長您稍微休息一下我先問賈董一下賈董主持人好 委員好你知道你現在的這個股東當中伊藤忠有打算要出脫他的持股嗎我知道那你知道未來的動向是如何嗎"},{"start":5254.646,"end":5270.76,"text":"目前不太確切知道這個東西一直傳聞要撤資因為伊藤忠來所佔的這個股份高達32%他影響到的是未來到底是101呢是屬於關股主導還是屬於這個民股主導那過民轉工"},{"start":5276.424,"end":5292.256,"text":"總是有一個過程所以應該知道這件事情如果今天是民股主導的話或許將來就不用跑立法院了不是嗎今天如果假設是關股主導的話您就要常常在這邊出現不是嗎我沒關係欸不管我要不要跑立法院都可以大公大樂就見慣了"},{"start":5293.177,"end":5307.289,"text":"但是我覺得比較重要的一點應該是我們臺灣是要讓外資覺得我們是一個自由經濟我們是可以一個自由交易的國家一個健康的金融環境我覺得這個會非常的重要"},{"start":5310.611,"end":5329.082,"text":"關於資本市場的事情你不用太過擔心啦就我知道伊藤忠已經有讓5%給稀鬆臺灣了然後現階段來說的話范工股的話大概掌握大概有幾%你知道嗎51%52%然後另外一部分有一個關鍵的地方是在哪裡呢"},{"start":5329.562,"end":5349.233,"text":"是在於中間的部分有一個所謂的中聯信託的部分是屬於代管的狀況對,中央存保代管中央存保代管就看他的股份有沒有持續的出脫他如果一樣持續的出脫來處分他以前的不良資產的一個負擔的話那可能關股的變化就有所影響"},{"start":5349.933,"end":5352.275,"text":"我可以跟委員報告一下其實我了解得非常的深入"},{"start":5367.725,"end":5385.849,"text":"不然我不會在上個禮拜的時候呢我就快閃日本兩天一夜14個小時快閃所以在整個的細節的掌控上面呢我是為董事長那快閃日本是去找一團周嗎當然是啊那狀況怎麼樣呢你要說你剛剛都不知道你也跑了一趟日本怎麼會都不知道呢"},{"start":5386.249,"end":5387.771,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營業"},{"start":5402.749,"end":5404.59,"text":"我希望在你任內不是做到台北101而應該做到台灣101為什麼"},{"start":5419.457,"end":5439.473,"text":"因為剛剛來說的話你所對口的對象是在停留在蔣萬安市長的情況你根本忘記的是財政部長的邀請或行政院長的邀請所以說我為什麼一開始跟你講說那關股的比例是什麼這代表它是屬於國家層級不是一個市府層級也就是說它不是一個臺北101它應該是臺灣1101你有沒有認同"},{"start":5441.474,"end":5458.971,"text":"我認同我非常認同啊好如果說你都認同的話就符合你在網頁上的slogan要把整個呢臺灣帶向全世界對不對所以說這種情況底下如何把臺北101證明變臺灣101或定位成臺灣101我認為是賈董你的任務啊"},{"start":5463.035,"end":5482.99,"text":"我的任務真的是這樣子,所以我們的跨年煙火呢,我們就是Team Taiwan Champion,我們就是要把台灣是世界冠軍的這件事情呢,昭告全天下,昭告全世界,是的,謝謝所以以後呢,就不是台北101,以後就是台灣101?要改名嗎?不是改名啊,這是通稱啊!"},{"start":5484.451,"end":5485.912,"text":"兆豐金控及臺北金融大樓股份"},{"start":5505.273,"end":5529.305,"text":"不管是臺北或臺灣當然能夠臺灣是更好啦不過101是最重要的啦101當然是最重要沒有101前面都沒有但是臺灣跟臺北定位不一樣啊董董如果是臺灣的話會更好所以我是最後是說那個董董你就上來了因為你是公股的部分嘛到底接下來101是董事長制跟這個總經理制就你的理解是怎麼樣以你最大的股東來說"},{"start":5530.543,"end":5554.051,"text":"我覺得我們都是官派的董事長所以基本上就是說我們不是真正掌握股權的董事長所以其實應該還是一個董事長制還是以董事長制為主我自己定位是說我們是財政部所派過來的專業經理人所以至少他是一個執行長所以說1011應該是董事長制對不對你的認知上我覺得所有官派的應該都是這樣子"},{"start":5555.392,"end":5555.532,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":5570.493,"end":5570.914,"text":"我瞭解啊"},{"start":5591.974,"end":5620.832,"text":"謝謝我們一定會朝這個目標前進那賈董請回我接下來問一下那個請那個阮次跟那個上台一下那請董董留下來一下董董我看這個題目改天再問你我時間才有限你請回好了董董那個阮次剛剛我覺得必須要回應一下幾個問題必須說為什麼沒有討論的原因是怎麼樣6612版本我們或許知道可是3753的版本你知道嗎不知道"},{"start":5621.112,"end":5621.312,"text":"不是嗎?是。"},{"start":5649.005,"end":5666.719,"text":"再加上說所謂的中央啊你的寫法中央會變錢不夠地方錢太多那我就問你啊中央錢不夠的話地方錢太多那他說中央每一年都很有錢我問你我看一個圖表這幾年包括證交稅、中小稅、營業稅跟營所稅是景氣財吧"},{"start":5670.871,"end":5690.763,"text":"是這幾年景氣比較好對不對對那如果萬一明年景氣比較不好的時候你還有稅金的剩餘3000億、4000億、5000億嗎還有可能嗎所以這個它是有很大的變動性所以它很大的變動性你也要講嘛對外面就要誤導說每年我們有稅金益益多少我再請一下陳副主委上來一下"},{"start":5691.755,"end":5716.466,"text":"我外面看到的所謂的景氣的循環從2000年以來那個陳副主任你知道整個景氣的循環平均大概多少個月大概十三個月大概41.2個月41.2個月就超過三年了你覺得我們股市已經那個多頭已經幾年了也三年多了啦"},{"start":5717.631,"end":5742.696,"text":"所以說依照這個緊續循環齁 老實講一定八個月啊 你知道嗎 已經北風月了所以我要讓財政部知道 在整個政策編戶的過程當中 連同金管會的整個緊續循環你清楚接下來你的預測 如果說接下來 如果還不是多頭市場的話我們證交稅不能扣到那麼多錢的話 還有這麼多稅金 請阮次昌來回答一下"},{"start":5745.546,"end":5756.637,"text":"跟委員報告的確這幾年因為我們的經濟狀況不錯那國內外的景氣也算是平穩那沒有的時候怎麼辦所以這幾年的確證交稅舉債嗎但是我是覺得經濟總是會有循環就像剛才委員提的將來就很難保證說會不會繼續再有這麼好的成績對啊"},{"start":5769.589,"end":5789.851,"text":"對,所以我是覺得我剛才講的是說稅收只是我們總預算的一部分對那但是我們在看整個稅收整個裁員的時候是看總加總預算對嘛,我的問題是說你中央不夠你要不要舉債我問你第一個問題第一個是這個而且另外他還有一個一般補助款他還把你框在那邊對不對又不能動嘛"},{"start":5792.233,"end":5795.154,"text":"據我了解現在有一些就是單純就是我們中央給他的錢給地方的錢就有一些超過他的稅出對嘛"},{"start":5814.582,"end":5832.478,"text":"所以我是說我們很擔心說這樣會影響到財政紀律的問題法律上是說不能變動但是執行成效不佳的時候你也不能讓它浪費不是嗎是所以說也沒有說一定要匡列不能比前年一年度少你預算可以編但是執行不一定要執行到嘛"},{"start":5832.858,"end":5834.179,"text":"兆豐金控及財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員"},{"start":5857.368,"end":5870.784,"text":"財政收支方法是國家的根本大法不是哪一黨執政都不能這樣亂搞啊一搞到後來就是禍國殃民啊你知道嗎而且一修了以後就很難再動它"},{"start":5872.025,"end":5892.142,"text":"一修很難帶動他那我就問你嘛如果說他的修法之後至愛難情的時候那財政部有沒有提出修法的可能性這一部分我跟委員報告我們現在是會同這個主席總書在盤點他的影響跟他未來可能的因應措施那這一部分我們會提供給相關的決策單位來做參考做決策所以說不排除再修法是吧"},{"start":5893.923,"end":5901.827,"text":"這個你要問清要趕快有一個因應的方式否則一般的民間非常的焦慮做一個財主部門的話一定要面對這個問題市長請回謝謝"},{"start":5921.734,"end":5926.921,"text":"請內會委員召委質詢有請兆豐金控董董事長及佳永傑董事長"},{"start":5944.508,"end":5967.96,"text":"委員好兩位董事長早安我先請教一下我們的兆豐獨董事長是要跟您請教就是說在兩週前中租低合發布了一個重大的信息他表示說董事會已經通過了跟兆豐銀行簽訂了一個65億的一個連帶案連帶的一個合約這是事實嘛對不對"},{"start":5973.283,"end":5975.365,"text":"董事長,你怎麼樣看這個?"},{"start":5999.2,"end":6016.554,"text":"我們通常在授信的時候授信合約裡面我們都有提到就是說他的資金用途是受到限制的所以如果說他資金用途是已經違背原本我們所訂的合約的話那我們當然會有一些措施啊比如說加碼啦或者是減額度啦或者說要求他部分或全部提前還款"},{"start":6017.614,"end":6032.499,"text":"所以董事長如果像你這樣講的話你會是一個穿透式的一個管理就是說所有我們年代借給他的這個65億他不能去做汽車的貸款然後也不能去做先租後買"},{"start":6034.339,"end":6057.926,"text":"先買後戶,也不會留到房地產去嗎?報告委員,如果他是屬於企業所租用的汽車而不是個人,因為我們所規範是,就他不能做個人的租賃啦,他如果是,譬如說我是一家公司,那我的公司我需要租車,那我就跟租賃公司來租,那這樣是可以的"},{"start":6058.206,"end":6071.871,"text":"所以董事長你講的非常清楚嘛他可以把錢借給法人可是不能借給個人那他的真信如果要借給個人的話他的真信必須要是周全的所以這些你們都會監督他"},{"start":6074.014,"end":6096.681,"text":"這些你們都會監督他?對,我們要看單據的除了看單據以外你們還會去注重什麼?當然我們每一個案件我們都會有所謂AOAO的話就會去看公司的營運狀況跟他所有資金的流向這些其實我們都會控管的都會控管的?那是每個月控管的?對,因為還是每季?"},{"start":6097.881,"end":6100.445,"text":"這個定期的話會不會是一年一次還是每季一次?"},{"start":6112.21,"end":6137.111,"text":"我們一般檢討的話大概就定期大概說三個月左右啦好 這個三個月啦因為我們會有固定一個檢討機制啦好 杜董事長我想這個穿透式的一個管理對這個主任公司的一個那個約束是非常重要的所以說我們也期待就是說我們也不要污名化啦那我們也希望就是說它可以就是慢慢的導入一個正軌那就是說"},{"start":6138.692,"end":6140.093,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資"},{"start":6153.584,"end":6164.548,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝獨董事長接著我們請佳遠傑董事長董事長早安主席好,委員早安那在這裡跟你探討,臺北101還是臺灣101是如郭工委員講的,我們期待"},{"start":6170.992,"end":6184.611,"text":"臺灣101是那我們也知道就是說你從這個9月3號上任以後你也一直做了很多很多的一個努力那如果我們從臺北市的主要的一個關關的遊客人數上來調查的話"},{"start":6186.513,"end":6203.667,"text":"這一份調查圖是從2022年到2014年11月的統計總表我們整體來看的話不管是西門町還是松山文創、陽明山還是臺北101其實臺北101是排序第四我在這裡請教賈董事長就是說"},{"start":6209.731,"end":6235.721,"text":"臺北101這一個國家是以哪一個國家的遊客為主目前其實國家就是國外觀光客來客數占比最多的是韓國人但是對但是呢我必須跟您報告一下就是在9月份開始就是我們陸陸續續尤其是到了11月我們夢想高飛的棒球展開始的時候呢日本遊客增加了86%在整個總體"},{"start":6238.882,"end":6268.063,"text":"對﹑對﹑"},{"start":6268.283,"end":6295.872,"text":"所以從頭到尾那你說你大量的就是那個播放臺灣的一個在地的流行音樂是那我們也當然希望就是說你可以帶到周邊的遊客這個經濟效應你有沒有去評估它它會帶動了多少的一個遊客人數跟經濟效應呢我想跟委員今天報告的就是說我們目前對我有一個部分需要更正剛才那個"},{"start":6298.065,"end":6324.984,"text":"剛才我們的同事趕快立刻跟我說因為光雕的贊助的部分這一次是國泰金控麻煩所有的媒體朋友們幫我稍微更正一下是國泰金控在這個部分我們在觀光署的就是近的觀光的人數上面我覺得其實是會大幅的增加因為其實CNN已經將我們的煙火跨年煙火"},{"start":6326.365,"end":6342.11,"text":"我們需要一個比較具體的那當然就是說用燕景的美好的臺灣美好的未來這一個我想在財政委員會裡頭我們希望講一些比較具體的我從101的一個表現必須要轉向"},{"start":6343.69,"end":6344.911,"text":"關錦台遊客人數最高240萬"},{"start":6364.763,"end":6383.896,"text":"這個時候有入客這個是最高的一直到2021年這個是因為疫情所以它變少了2023慢慢又爬升到了2024其實現在已經回到一個最穩定的狀況那又有其實還是有差委員當然160萬到2019年是245萬"},{"start":6389.059,"end":6416.469,"text":"對,我要問你2025你預計它會怎麼樣轉強呢?你有什麼樣的一個計畫呢?我2025年呢我們在觀景台呢其實我們因為這次的展覽呢真的是非常的成功所以接下來呢我們還是會用這種主題展覽的形式那整個用主題展覽的形式呢增加我們的整個的來客數尤其是我們的國人我們的國人其實很多人沒有上去過所以在這邊"},{"start":6418.049,"end":6434.278,"text":"我現在講的就是說光景臺的一個遊客的人數的一個指標我們可以看到了就是101的營收的一個表現是 沒錯 沒錯顯然就是說這個已經跨出了一個非常重要的穩定的一步"},{"start":6435.619,"end":6444.288,"text":"那在2025你期待它會有多少人我期待應該可以到180萬耶180萬對好我們現在就把2025列為180萬人次好那就是一個目標那接著"},{"start":6450.034,"end":6475.879,"text":"接著就是說我們再來跟你探討就是說這個101公司的一個股權的結構是那這個股權的結構事實上就是說在我們再上一頁再上一頁對在這裡這個剛才講得很清楚那郭公文委員又請教你就是說伊藤忠這個投資的股份有限公司他其實佔了37.17%是我們最大股東"},{"start":6476.999,"end":6495.764,"text":"對,是我們最大的股東是民股會去轉關股還是關股會去轉民股這個其實他這一個就是說外商的一個投資這個是一個非常大的一個轉換的一個標的物那當然我們也很重視這個案子"},{"start":6497.985,"end":6522.587,"text":"那好那基本上現在已經是浪出了5%了確定是浪出了5%我可以跟委員報告一下他浪出了5%但是實際上也是他的子公司也是他的子公司好那顯然就是說還是還是在這一個伊藤忠的一個投資公司裡頭還是在你的那個轉控裡頭那我特別要請教你一點就是說"},{"start":6523.629,"end":6527.318,"text":"當初這個101是哪一個建設公司來蓋的你知道嗎?"},{"start":6528.607,"end":6553.605,"text":"是宏國嗎?對,是宏國,2024它是全世界最高的一個立建築我想這個整體就是說其實基本上啦2004年蓋的吧對,2004開始建構那事實上就是說其實在早期那個伊藤忠的前手你也知道是鼎興"},{"start":6555.766,"end":6557.148,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所"},{"start":6573.049,"end":6578.514,"text":"請您特別慧心,倒是有一點,您的營收我們希望期待能轉強,如果從2013年的108億到2023年的22億,其實成長了兩倍"},{"start":6591.064,"end":6606.591,"text":"其實如果10年前成長2倍可是那時候臺灣的總體的GDP才15兆那現在是23.5兆其實這個中間有一個1.6倍所以我們期待就是說你的"},{"start":6607.231,"end":6627.388,"text":"銀收轉強的底氣是非常強的那再回到大家關心的就是說你先生的這個德傑集團那其實在這個2022年這個是陽明海運他投下了就是說他租了一個業他的費用好像是500萬"},{"start":6630.411,"end":6644.888,"text":"我跟您報告一下因為它是整棟樓然後跟您報告一下在那個今年的那個國泰金控的光雕呢我們的金額高於這個超多的所以每一個廣告呢它有不一樣的case"},{"start":6645.629,"end":6645.949,"text":"主席主席主席是一樣的"},{"start":6673.655,"end":6698.281,"text":"每一家我們總共有十家企業所有的條件都一樣等一下等一下我們每一個企業我們每一個企業可以有八個字所有的問題怎麼會是我們等一下呢你應該讓我把問題問完啊對不起是啊Sorry很少看到到這裡來的董事長是像你這麼強勢的啊你不被人家佩服啊So sorry sorry sorry是這"},{"start":6699.821,"end":6716.549,"text":"提醒你一次是公益的點燈還是商業的廣告這個請你三思目前為止你都表現得非常好不要落入被大家告訴你說你是公器私用這個是我們大家對你的一個期待謝謝主席"},{"start":6730.014,"end":6755.027,"text":"謝謝顏寬恆委員,接著請顏寬恆委員發言主席各位立席官員大家早主席有請財政部阮次長好,請阮次長委員早次長早次長"},{"start":6756.48,"end":6776.399,"text":"本來要請教部長,因為部長請假。與各國簽署利免雙重課稅協定是政府重要的政策目標。ADTA主要是要消除跨國企業在兩國之間重複課稅的問題。"},{"start":6779.922,"end":6803.26,"text":"為了跨境投資者提供更具吸引力的一個稅務環境我方已經派員赴美國華府進行過一輪的實體諮商未來將積極地推動洽簽臺美避免雙重課稅協定儘管雙方在技術細節還有政策原則上已經取得進展"},{"start":6805.042,"end":6811.46,"text":"目前ADTA仍然停留在美國參議院等待立法程序完成通過"},{"start":6813.537,"end":6835.293,"text":"這使得這個協定最後落實也會面臨挑戰所以我要請教次長說明一下這個相關的進度那包含我國跟美方在ADTA這個是不是已經針對主要分歧點達成共識那第二個就是川普政府在執政之後對ADTA的態度有沒有明顯的改變特別是針對美國"},{"start":6836.655,"end":6843.968,"text":"川普總統鼓勵企業回流還有改革全球稅制的政策會不會影響我們ADTA的一個推動"},{"start":6845.266,"end":6872.848,"text":"跟委員報告謝謝委員的垂詢那目前就是臺美之間的諸位協定我們一直都跟美方保持密切的聯繫包括財政部跟國會部門都有那特別是國會部門已經提出相關的一些法案只是呢它因為涉及到國內法的一些正義的問題所以一直在這邊沒辦法通過沒辦法通過那但是呢"},{"start":6874.308,"end":6886.993,"text":"這個要洽簽臺美租稅協定是在美方來講他們是跨黨派的支持跨黨派的支持所以因為租稅協定的簽署可以加強雙邊的經貿往來而且可以促進投資"},{"start":6892.515,"end":6916.888,"text":"有分歧點的部分是不是已經獲得一個溝通然後已經有共識這個因為涉及美國內政我們不適合去評論了但是我們會跟美方繼續來溝通那也會會同我們國內相關單位那麼積極跟美方的相關單位那川普1月22日就職那上台之後會不會對於這些我們ADTA的推動有沒有一些改變"},{"start":6918.508,"end":6941.673,"text":"我就覺得因為他還沒上任嘛還沒上任他的政策到底怎麼樣可能還在觀察但是我是跟委員報告就是作為協定他的功能就是促進就是避免雙方課稅嘛降低這個投資成本而且可以促進投資跟經貿往來嘛所以這個是跟川普總統他的主張是一致的所以我認為是未來應該是我們是審慎樂觀啦"},{"start":6944.494,"end":6965.254,"text":"所以就是為了要提升我國的國際競爭力還有一個負稅的環境那是包括很多台商都關心因為財政部這邊能夠希望說繼續努力完成現階段的一個挑戰跟美方的溝通一定要再加強盡早完成協定的一個立法程序那我國的企業跟外資"},{"start":6966.875,"end":6967.816,"text":"2023年12月12日宣布修正小規模營業人營業稅的起徵點"},{"start":6983.573,"end":6993.838,"text":"那從明年的1月1號開始買賣業等銷售貨物業的一個起徵點從每月銷售額8萬元調高到10萬元那裝潢業等銷售勞務業起徵點從4萬調高到5萬那"},{"start":7005.435,"end":7028.802,"text":"這項預計可以使大概12萬家的小規模營業人受惠減稅利益達10.68億這是自從2007年以來首次調整起徵點反映物價上漲的經濟現實本次調整是否能夠充分的紓解小規模營業人的稅務負擔能夠達到政策目標這是我第一個問題"},{"start":7031.444,"end":7047.548,"text":"再請教市長這一次起徵點的調高幅度是參酌2007到今年的我們消費者CPI指數上漲25%來進行調整那這一次的調幅是不是足以反映這17年來物價跟經濟環境的變遷這是第一個問題"},{"start":7052.45,"end":7061.795,"text":"財政部表示,調高起徵點後可減輕小規模營業人的尊重成本及基金機關的基金成本"},{"start":7063.972,"end":7086.73,"text":"請市長具體說明說這一次的政策對於我們剛剛提到的這些成本是否有除了調高之外起徵點調高之外是否有長遠的計畫2007到2024經過這麼多年才做這樣起徵點的一個調整那起徵點調整之後稅務的改革是不是到這邊就停下來有沒有中期長期的計畫請市長說"},{"start":7088.391,"end":7103.645,"text":"跟委員報告,剛才委員也都針對這整個過程都有充分的說明那感謝委員在這方面都有充分的掌握那事實上這個有關這個營業稅的課徵的確跟物價有充分的關聯"},{"start":7106.648,"end":7129.54,"text":"所以我們這一次才是參考我們這幾年來的物價上漲情況把這個貨物的銷售貨物的這個提升點由8萬提升到10萬那麼銷售老物呢那麼就由4萬調升到5萬那從明年1月1號開始施行然後剛才講也是受益大概12萬家左右這個都有"},{"start":7131.141,"end":7144.068,"text":"那將來我在想既然這個有關起徵點它是跟我們物價是密切相關的所以我們未來我們會這個試實際的營業的狀況來做還有包括這個物價上漲的狀況來做混動的檢討"},{"start":7149.611,"end":7168.596,"text":"市長請教說除了這一次我們起徵點提高了嘛對不對那我們什麼時候會看到更具體的更長期的一個稅制改革還有確保這些稅收公平與效率的提升的一個重要政策所以現在起徵點已經提升了後面要做什麼"},{"start":7170.477,"end":7174.279,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會議"},{"start":7189.769,"end":7211.877,"text":"其他的我們現在就這樣就是第一個剛剛講的委員剛剛催省說那這個金融成本會不會降低那我們把那個起徵點提高以後那些就不用很適合萬家就不用課稅嘛所以當然金成本會往下降那當然就是就這個小規模營業事業的課稅除了起徵點之外另外一個我們叫做這個這個查訂課徵的一個"},{"start":7215.418,"end":7216.759,"text":"市長,因為時間有限,我們經過了14年才做一次起徵點的調整"},{"start":7233.789,"end":7235.471,"text":"臺北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會議"},{"start":7253.729,"end":7255.011,"text":"主席有請金融會陳副主委金融會陳副主委"},{"start":7268.587,"end":7287.977,"text":"是主席委員好副主委因為上次我們那個彭主委來這個備詢的時候我有質詢他就提最後提到打詐的問題但是因為時間有限所以沒有辦法完整的聽到這個彭主委的一個回覆所以今天再跟副主委請教根據警論署這個統計通報112年詐騙案件發生數37823比111年增加了8314件"},{"start":7298.522,"end":7323.229,"text":"8300億事件增幅達28.17%所以顯示出金管會現在的防詐措施效果有限效果有限成果不滿意沒有辦法令人滿意打造的力道還需要再加強再提升金管會目前已經推動了很多項的措施什麼交易監管、身份證身份認證加強還有教育宣導"},{"start":7323.809,"end":7349.61,"text":"但是從這些數據看來就是沒有辦法達到目標,沒有辦法,除非你告訴我說,112年、111年的征服,你們是滿意的你們是滿意的,你如果這樣說,我就,我就,你會這麼認為嗎?這是第一個,第二個就是說金融會是否有更進一步的規劃來應付詐欺的問題跟挑戰,是不是考慮提升其他的一些手段"},{"start":7350.33,"end":7378.514,"text":"或者是一些做法、一些計畫您會時間有限請說明是謝謝其實對於打詐這種東西天下武功為快不破其實以往的話我們是本來一天只有一次這個投資詐騙其實是最大宗本來一天一次我們從交易所到金管會再到警政單位這邊去通報下架現在呢一天已經改為三次而且呢周邊單位每一個時段裡面呢都會把這個最新的問題廣告送到交易所"},{"start":7378.974,"end":7383.115,"text":"副主委我知道這些是做法跟手段但是我們看到的是成效征服28.17%這個就是沒有辦法讓人可以接受你打詐"},{"start":7408.86,"end":7409.92,"text":"接著請黃珊珊委員花言"},{"start":7443.966,"end":7454.884,"text":"謝謝主席,我請金管會副主委還有兆豐金董事長好,金管會陳副主委還有兆豐金董事長是,主席委員好"},{"start":7460.394,"end":7487.948,"text":"兩位好我想最近我們最關心的就是不肖的融資註定公司現在已經升級到勾結詐騙集團這件事情已經不是秘密最近發生的兩位不知道知不知道已經有台版的地面師地面師用詐騙集團先騙了錢再叫被害人去向融資借貸公司貸款設定抵押權"},{"start":7489.108,"end":7505.724,"text":"最高的被騙了1600萬兩年之內合作詐騙了20多個民眾總金額高達3億所以董事長你們銀行公會答應說12月要出爐的專法研議案出來了沒"},{"start":7509.296,"end":7532.325,"text":"報告委員這個進度上應該還沒有因為我們是委外委託外界的一家上次11月的時候你說12月中啊現在12月底啦應該要提出一個期中報告啦期中報告出來了沒有應該要快提出來所以我要再追一下我要問的是時間表我已經等你們一年了所以你上次11月說12月中現在12月底那請問什麼時候會出來"},{"start":7534.386,"end":7535.107,"text":"如果銀行公會你們一直"},{"start":7550.898,"end":7566.573,"text":"說在銀行工會研究嘛那銀行工會出來以後你打算什麼時候針對融資公司的管理做相關的處理因為之前在立專法之前我知道你們有一些做法但是這個專法案我也一樣我需要時間表"},{"start":7567.742,"end":7594.918,"text":"他的報告出來你多久可以做一個政策性的處理是因為專法的一個研究我們還沒有看到一個成果出來就像委員剛剛說的我們先用金融融資公司法立法院曾經都有過版本了我們也提了版本其他的委員也提了版本大家都提了版本我相信有版本可以參考不用那麼不用重新來過好嗎是我只需要知道你的時間表沒有時間表"},{"start":7596.499,"end":7620.578,"text":"金管會沒有時間表就是年底這個時候我們還是要等先等這個報告出來我只需要你多少時間啊好他12月底出來你1月份給我一個報告你大概要多少時間表好嗎是謝謝第二個融資公司融資注定要納入金融消費者保護法是之前金管會所說的現在進度怎麼樣還是你們又被摸頭了"},{"start":7621.243,"end":7623.745,"text":"什麼時候把融資租賃公司至少上市櫃的部分納入金融消費者保護法有這麼難回答嗎?"},{"start":7648.274,"end":7661.26,"text":"是我們預計希望是在明年中明年中又要半年這個其實因為我們司法出來還要預告公聽所以在將公聽會立院這邊公聽會其實520的時候從520開始我們已經等了半年了你現在還要在公聽會還要再半年我再問一次"},{"start":7671.283,"end":7693.792,"text":"把資本額達到一定規模以上的上市櫃融資註定公司納入金融消費者保護法有這麼難嗎?報告委員那個30年的問題我們520上來的時候其實根本沒有解決方案是我們後來提出的解決方案我們預計明年如果一切的順利的話所以你的專法可能半年以後了是嗎?"},{"start":7694.878,"end":7697.399,"text":"我們現在目前為止的租賃公會也有一個自律公約其實根據統計數有自律公約就不會有這種事了嘛"},{"start":7716.219,"end":7743.668,"text":"地面師跑到臺灣來兩年內騙了20多人3億元設定抵押權欸這更嚴重欸不是把他錢騙走欸還讓他去負債欸副主委啊我知道主委很想做我也知道你很想做我希望盡快做時間表我只需要時間表你可以不用現在回答我一個月內給我時間表三個月五個月一年都可以否則你十年也可以講出來"},{"start":7744.568,"end":7744.588,"text":"時間暫停"},{"start":7761.823,"end":7787.172,"text":"公股銀行有沒有銀行轉投資融資租賃業沒有沒有嗎那我怎麼猜在相關的租賃單的公會裡面看到臺慶、中小慶、益銀、華南銀、華南金都有他們是有授信給他們授信給他們授信所以也是有的但是沒有不是投資好那就是授信給他們他們也算是融資租賃的會員之一"},{"start":7788.386,"end":7811.925,"text":"這些公股銀行當然很受我們控制我們也希望成為所謂剛剛講前面應該納管的這些人的示範這些示範總可以先做嘛因為金管會最近有一個韓嘛那韓他有就是逐步納管嘛納管相關融資註定公司所以財政部也麻煩公股銀行要當"},{"start":7813.186,"end":7815.027,"text":"我上次在3月份質詢的就是所謂的簡訊檔碼"},{"start":7839.656,"end":7860.719,"text":"短碼的部分公股銀行希望能夠納入111短碼平台希望他有自己的短碼才不會讓民眾收到假的簡訊所以兆豐銀行加入了好銀行公會裡面有多少人加入目前好像據我所了解大概只有兆豐加入而已所以來金管會"},{"start":7863.112,"end":7877.717,"text":"兆豐銀行加入了對兆豐已經推出來了那我們是不是所有的銀行業者應該鼓勵他們加入啊是我們都有在這個公會啊其他地方都有鼓勵大家加入反正一樣公股銀行先做可以嗎財政部"},{"start":7882.574,"end":7906.693,"text":"短碼平台兆豐銀行已經加入了是,所有公股銀行都要加入,可以嗎?已經在做了好,什麼時候會做完?不知道一直都在做短碼平台短碼平台,對,我們來是不是請這個董事長來做說明全部的銀行只有兆豐銀行做啦財政部的公股銀行沒有權做啦來,董事長請說"},{"start":7908.442,"end":7937.123,"text":"報告委員因為這牽涉到整個費用的問題我知道所以大家一起去談嘛對所以我是希望用銀行公會方式跟三大電信公司我們談一個更好的一個deal很好所以董事長我也需要的是你的時間表是一個月之內給我報告你要怎麼做什麼時候會做到好嗎好要有計畫嘛要有時程好時間暫停我想請101的賈董事長好請賈董事長還有證交所"},{"start":7938.429,"end":7960.023,"text":"好 證交所 文武董事長謝謝是董事長我想喔我也好剛剛講都在講很多的詐騙101是臺灣重要的金融中心而且也是非常重要的金融指標但是曾經發生過從2009年開始就有發生過"},{"start":7964.486,"end":7993.215,"text":"相關的詐騙集團因為設置在101大樓然後讓投資人覺得哇這公司好大喔好氣派喔所以投資了一大堆錢被騙我想問一下目前為止證交所跟兆豐金都是投資人主要的董事股東所以我們對於所謂的租客在101大樓我們有沒有什麼審查機制或者是我們有對租客的有什麼條件"},{"start":7994.997,"end":8012.127,"text":"這個部分委員我跟您報告其實我基本上也差一點變成受害者在2009年的時候確實有這樣子的公司來approach我們那我們現在的機制呢其實我們真的會很認真的審查這家公司的財務的狀況有的審查會還是什麼有什麼機制"},{"start":8015.009,"end":8025.765,"text":"我們在整個的背後的法務在整個的金融的機制而且現在目前進駐我們的單位全部都是國際大公司第二個因為我們現在查"},{"start":8027.546,"end":8043.279,"text":"新一路5段7號地址有447筆公司登記同樣的將近有500筆還有包括分公司國際的企業我們都非常歡迎但是一樣我們還是希望有一個機制不要再發生2009年開始當時的復通證券凱盛財務公司發生問題之後那時候就說有機制"},{"start":8052.447,"end":8068.619,"text":"2018年又發生了富南市傳銷的問題2020年又發生了斬頭投資的詐騙案所以有機制還是不斷的發生現在是2024年我今天要說的是董事長來接任了我們就希望101不要在以後還會再發生類似的問題因為放在101就會騙到人"},{"start":8073.343,"end":8091.674,"text":"是,我這個我了解投資人看到他公司登記在101就認為他是國際大企業這才是問題報告,報告委員在這個部分呢我上任的時候我已經請集合清查出所有登記在我們101上面的公司是否為確實的公司也給一下我們財委會你剛剛所說的你們查核的機制跟相關的查核的狀況如果有問題的"},{"start":8099.599,"end":8099.659,"text":"好嗎?好,謝謝"},{"start":8128.169,"end":8129.549,"text":"李坤澄委員花言"},{"start":8156.26,"end":8172.981,"text":"委員好董事長好101這次今年要放的跨年煙火其實我有先看到這個預告片大概好像70幾秒不過這個預告片好像是先從你個人的臉書上面先放出來的確實那跟平常的做法不太一樣"},{"start":8173.782,"end":8195.727,"text":"是,委員可以跟您報告一下因為呢,通常這個記者會呢都會是開一個記者會然後呢,再讓記者朋友們拿到這個影像那但是呢,在跟我報告的時候我先想說,這個記者會好像也要花一筆蠻可觀的預算但是呢不會啦,你來開記者會不用花什麼預算"},{"start":8196.567,"end":8221.237,"text":"那還是有嘛你還是要有一些硬體的設施還是會有一些預算那反正就是同事們提報了這個預算之後我說其實我們可以用一個節省的方式然後又更有效益更好玩的方式來做宣傳所以呢我就先跟王世堅委員我不知道你有沒有看到那個影片那個先導的影片我有看過對對對所以我們這是有步驟的"},{"start":8222.017,"end":8230.605,"text":"我們先跟王世堅委員先導影片跟這個後來這個模擬的煙火影片我都有看過啦是所以呢王世堅委員開了這個影片之後重點在於我是說這個宣導的這個影片就是你這個跨年煙火的這個75秒的影片"},{"start":8238.632,"end":8238.792,"text":"董事長"},{"start":8265.007,"end":8286.403,"text":"委員這樣子才會有流量我用我的個人的流量share給了101的流量101的流量才能被我養起來當然你個人流量是大於101可是就是說我認為這樣做其實是本末倒置其實你應該是你身為101董事長你是這個101的代表人你不是只有你個人而已"},{"start":8286.983,"end":8313.161,"text":"所以其實你應該是先放在101的這一個開個記者會然後放完之後你再用個人的臉書再把它導流到你的個人臉書上面記者會花錢我這樣我才花了一萬塊錢那今天是因為你是101的董事長那你是賈永傑你是具有高知名度但是我是認為說這個你還是要考慮一下次序是先有101才有這個賈永傑董事長"},{"start":8314.182,"end":8332.861,"text":"不是先有佳永傑才有這個101不是先有101這個跨年煙火可是我把我的這個流量也是串回去啊我們是一個共通的平台啊那你也可以開個記者會之後然後再把這個影片再導入你個人的這個留言書上面一樣可以啊可是我就不想花這個錢嘛"},{"start":8338.25,"end":8358.507,"text":"因為這個預算就是審下來了之後這是給你一個建議啦就是說以後你要先想到的是你個人你是佳穩潔但是你現在同時也是101的董事長101董事長的身份其實要大於你個人的佳穩潔可是他這樣101就沒有流量嘛"},{"start":8359.534,"end":8378.84,"text":"很慘對,他本來就沒有流量啊對,但你要,我的意思是說你要先想到說先有101董事長才有你賈永傑個人所以你現在要先想就是說是怎麼去Promote這個101不是Promote賈永傑這是我個人給你的一個建議啦我把我的流量share給101耶這個這次煙火的這個預算是多少你說哪一個預算"},{"start":8385.967,"end":8414.164,"text":"跨年煙火的預算跨年煙火的預算其實呢是由我們的觀光署全額的這個贊助還有加上中華電信還有我們的證交所對那所以這個沒有花到沒有記者會的預算沒有花到101的預算你說在整個預算方面嗎對煙火的預算是沒有都是觀光署是觀光署是花多少錢觀光署大部分然後中華電信還有證交所各多少啊"},{"start":8415.12,"end":8421.884,"text":"嗯,可是他們說這個數字我不能說欸對,數字不能說對這個數字為什麼不能說嗯,我們公司這邊是說數字不能說這應該可以說吧,這數字為什麼不能說那你會後再給我資料"},{"start":8430.046,"end":8447.586,"text":"好喔那其實這兩千萬齁其實我看了一下這個歷屆的這個煙火齁這兩千萬其實不是算多啦是其實算算是算是偏少的預算當然這個預算是在你來之前就已經編訂了啦是那所以也期待啦這個在有限的預算裡面齁這個創造出這一個"},{"start":8449.188,"end":8449.208,"text":"請次長"},{"start":8480.656,"end":8486.122,"text":"市長請教一下這一個禮拜五通過這個財化法你是哪時候拿到版本的?"},{"start":8487.239,"end":8510.026,"text":"什麼時候拿到版本啊對啊就是當天在議場的時候不斷的傳過來不斷的傳過來一休再休三休之後你才拿到這個版本因為我們在試算的時候第一個版本還沒試算完又第二版本又出來第二版本還沒試算完又第三版本又出來所以之前就是國民黨跟民眾黨也都沒有找你們在做溝通就對了沒有沒有就是當天晚上"},{"start":8510.646,"end":8524.517,"text":"我們在表決的時候,那你跟我們差不多同時拿到版本嗎?我們在表決的時候拿到版本,也是差不多那時候拿到版本,然後才開始算。那時候我們就問國民黨說,到底這個隨時分配從中央拿到多少錢,他們也算不出來,他說要去問財政部,要去問主計處。"},{"start":8526.198,"end":8554.699,"text":"但是問題就是這樣版本一直出來所以我們就是一直跟不上一直跟不上到最後有把它算出來最後一個版本就是3700多億嘛3753億那我請教一下就是說如果按照這個通過的版本這個隨時分配拿走這個3753億之後呢然後我們有一些這個福利政策我剛才舉的這些例子包含租0到2歲育兒津貼等等這些補助"},{"start":8555.64,"end":8570.298,"text":"本來的版本譬如說租屋補貼的話每戶每月是2000到14400然後如果國民黨財務法通過之後會少了600到4320那大概都是少三分之一左右嗎?你們按照這個比例來說來試算了嗎?"},{"start":8572.581,"end":8587.956,"text":"我們是按照它的那個分配比例第一個是按照先算垂直的垂直看市值多少然後再按照它的那個水平分配的那幾票你看一下我這邊想的這個租屋補貼或是0到2歲育兒津貼這個都會少的部分的話"},{"start":8589.008,"end":8594.652,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表演規劃"},{"start":8608.683,"end":8636.413,"text":"不一定會這樣做但是我們要這一部分因為是主席總書的職權那我們會跟他密切來交換意見那我再問一下就是說一些這個交通建設是這個像這一個像我們新北市就包含這個環狀線那汐止東湖線山陰線那包含我自己山盧區的這個供水這個管網的改善工程等等之類的那原本我們都是中央就補助地方是那如果說這個採訪通過之後勒"},{"start":8638.294,"end":8657.34,"text":"這些補助的經費是還要再給地方嗎?還是從他們這個統籌分配款拿到之後自己再去做處理?這一部分我們在七級跟這個主席總書在做盤點那至於說將來未來要怎麼因應那我想我們這一部分會提出一個對策出來"},{"start":8658.14,"end":8660.822,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台"},{"start":8678.078,"end":8696.743,"text":"你來看一下比如說像這一個我來分前瞻預算跟這一個計畫型補助的預算然後在左邊這個是前瞻預算前瞻預算本來也是到明年就結束了接下來就是要編到這一個各相關部會的預算裡面譬如說我講這一個捷運的部分"},{"start":8697.503,"end":8701.086,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司"},{"start":8716.977,"end":8736.542,"text":"所以我們會跟他做充分的溝通但是因為現在因為你們錢少了啊一定錢少了對啊而且現在就是一般的補助款他有第30條裡面有規定說不能少於前一年度的這個額度嘛所以我們現在可以動的可能就是大概就是計畫性補助那計畫性補助呢要怎麼檢法"},{"start":8738.382,"end":8757.611,"text":"計劃性補助我再跟你講到說右手邊那個是114年的這個計劃性補助然後像這一個我自己在新北市的部分的話你看有交通建設、治水的經費、交易的經費還有社福的經費等等那所以說過去比如說在114年的話"},{"start":8759.592,"end":8782.864,"text":"那個中央有補助那個新北市的話有351億計畫型的補助然後未來這些計畫型的補助的話那是不是也應該都會受到影響一定會受到影響因為我們中央的這個垂直的那部分就少了3700多億然後呢這個出去以後呢那中央的財源從哪邊來"},{"start":8784.352,"end":8801.743,"text":"所以沒有那些錢啊所以我的意思是說當地方政府多拿到這些統籌分配款之後本來的這個計畫性補助是不是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多少討論我剛已經跟你講了市長"},{"start":10553.324,"end":10576.682,"text":"連陳水扁都提了版本林全都提了版本有沒有討論關於是新會期這個立法委員上個會期討論多久辦了公聽會這個會期也辦了公聽會沒討論嗎財政部的版本在哪裡我另外跟你談一個很重要的事情現在全民最關心的臺灣是個寶島可是有天災地變地動我們的行政運動快點說啊以後啊"},{"start":10580.843,"end":10604.476,"text":"臺豐地震來了地方要自己去面對我問你一個最重要的你財政部到底沒有足夠的財源給我們政府給人民我們以後天災真的就沒地震來了財政部的財源不足夠去救災嗎我給他看一下來請大家注意看在921發生大地震的時候後來政府編了一千億"},{"start":10606.917,"end":10619.846,"text":"921震災的災禍重建基金特別預算有錢嗎?那時候的李登輝政府為什麼錢可以編?第二個今年用今年當例子今年我們很不幸發生了花蓮的大跌宕"},{"start":10622.458,"end":10630.32,"text":"政府機關、中央機關包括交通部、衛福部、內政部各個機關馬上找出了88.5億、還有中央特種基金84.65億"},{"start":10643.323,"end":10658.837,"text":"前專跟以後的特別預算有1.01億包括中央統籌分配稅款特別的中央統籌分配稅款他拿了50.1億出來中央準備金、中央的二倍金、震災基金加起來你說的285億為什麼今年發生花蓮大地震"},{"start":10664.315,"end":10692.034,"text":"有285億在那為什麼行政院長可以跟我們講一要地方自己要去面對問題現在修法以後就不一樣了修法以後你你垂直釋出3753億中央對地方的資源的能量來來來市長你看你看我給你的資料來來來等一下等一下等一下市長講這個非常嚴重啊看一下促進你的意思來來回到上一章促進你看一下上一章你的意思是"},{"start":10693.724,"end":10702.156,"text":"經過這次財政收支方法修正以後中央機關的公務預算不要再編錢第二個破種基金不要再編錢"},{"start":10704.266,"end":10725.619,"text":"中央政府的第二預備金也不要編錢?不管地方的災變了嗎?這個,對不起,我沒有講這樣的話你剛剛的意思是這一期沒有了嗎?這一份是主計總署的提權,我沒辦法替他回答第一個,今年有的明年不能少,對不對?第二個,這是法令的預算欸"},{"start":10728.149,"end":10754.115,"text":"當行政院長講這個話就變成第一個不只是失言被罵是冷血的院長而且是違背法令的院長所以我明確的要求、正宗要求行政院長卓永泰為你的失言、人民的生命安全、重大的災害你在上面做政治操作你把話說回去、吞回去趕快跟人民道歉市長你剛剛也失言了你剛剛的意思經過裁判法真的這些預算"},{"start":10754.855,"end":10776.126,"text":"明年不編嗎?我沒有這樣說是不是要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?市長你看一下這些項目要不要編?"},{"start":10778.247,"end":10781.768,"text":"編預算不是我們財政部的全財務財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部"},{"start":10805.074,"end":10833.109,"text":"第一個在今年我們現在立法院正在審的總預算書裡面這些項目都在不只今年的這些項目在明年也在啊所以怎麼會沒有救災的錢怎麼會有卓榮泰講的颱風地震來自己要面對第一個這個是法令上這是違法如果這樣做是違法的第二個這樣講把政治操作在人民的這個痛苦之上這是冷血是違法所以於外面要求他道歉要請任委員長道歉話吞回去"},{"start":10834.281,"end":10857.662,"text":"那個次長你回去看一下剛剛我們的對談你是不是也是認為說沒有錢可以編了你沒有 如果有這樣講的話你要不要給他更正好不好這個我剛才已經講過了那個次長好啦 之前我做個簡單的這個結論第一個 中央財政收支劃分法已經25年沒有修了這個是不分黨派的你民進黨沒有萬年執政的啦"},{"start":10860.799,"end":10881.028,"text":"民進黨如果變在野黨的時候你就會發現說這是這個修法讓地方可以自治中外錢下放可以照顧地方的這個所有的這個縣民縣市民眾他到時候會鼓掌的看國家要制度化要長遠啊因為民進黨現在執政你以前賴清德你自己當台南市長你當行政院長都是要修當了總統就換那個腦袋嗎特別嚴重的是這天為什麼講這麼激動不要再抹黑不要再扭曲這個才華法好不好這個是長久以來"},{"start":10891.513,"end":10918.265,"text":"要落實地方自治要關心地方的因為臺灣就是一個中央集權又集錢的地方嘛全世界很少國家這樣子所以25年來多少人要求要修不是就政黨、學者專家我們辦了兩次聽證會你也在多少學者專家說趕快修我跑那麼久的政治新聞寫了三本書我說這次的財政收支方法能夠修是歷史上難得的一個機會百年難遇因為三黨不過半"},{"start":10919.378,"end":10919.739,"text":"接著我們請楊瓊英委員發言"},{"start":10948.177,"end":10948.337,"text":"財政部委員"},{"start":10962.75,"end":10991.024,"text":"據媒體報導12月2號在民營金控的部分持續有啟動要併購的這個方向公營也提出兆豐金控那麼也有意要兆豐投信第一金投信以及合庫投信三合一的一個整併所以本期要請教財政部你是大股東那你是不是樂觀其成請說明基本上"},{"start":10991.564,"end":10999.751,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會議"},{"start":11007.698,"end":11028.349,"text":"你是大股東,你剛剛說了,如果有中效,那麼子公司都認為OK,但是你要注意一下就是說你是大股東,所以在公共病的方面牽扯的會非常的多,牽扯到什麼問題呢?包括組織文化,包括了經營策略跟它的強項。"},{"start":11029.87,"end":11055.789,"text":"這一個強項很重要因為我們目前就是如此也必須金融啊、景型營業啊跟世界接軌在這樣的情況之下你要考慮到股東、員工、客戶的一個權益跟我們國家整體的利益那就是剛剛您說的有沒有作用是,謝謝委員提醒對,我們的原則就是這樣跟委員完全不一樣也包括了股東、員工、客戶"},{"start":11057.13,"end":11078.062,"text":"的權利跟國家整體的利益這些都在你思考的範圍之內嘛對所以最重要的一向如此也要必須考量到有沒有奏效嘛對不對這非常重要所以我也謹慎的提醒我們財政部因為大家都非常關心這個案子未來謹慎處理未來走向到底怎麼樣大家就拭目以待"},{"start":11082.885,"end":11108.384,"text":"接下來本期請教金管會我們看到現在詐騙的一大堆一大堆包括財政部在用我們也跟他討論了很多那西班牙籍這個人奧納德他在義大利他詐騙了3000萬大概台幣歐元大概我們的10.5億左右那在這樣的情況之下他逃到臺灣"},{"start":11109.685,"end":11124.133,"text":"逃到臺灣之後他成功的在臺灣的銀行來開戶啊哇那大家質疑臺灣銀行的業者是不是真正的有落實KYC啊有沒有啊有沒有真正的去落實認識你的客戶啊"},{"start":11125.814,"end":11144.9,"text":"所以在這個事件之後呢那我沒有看到這個詐騙犯他在8家的銀行開設了帳戶欸8家欸我們讓全世界笑話我們欸同時他也在這個部分銀行還擔任他公司他甚至自己還擔任負責人欸"},{"start":11146.88,"end":11156.469,"text":"自己還擔任負責人親自來開設這個帳號在這樣的情況之下本席要請教國際的詐騙犯他在我們整個臺灣能夠這樣子的開戶那他還能夠在臺灣穩居住五年"},{"start":11166.838,"end":11167.138,"text":"請做說明"},{"start":11182.324,"end":11206.407,"text":"是,我分兩個部分,第一個是具體個案的部分,第二個是委員剛剛提到的後續防治的一些措施。那第一個具體個案的部分就是,其實當時他是法人戶、公司戶,他是用變更負責人的一個方式在變動他。所以是說呢,在這個地方一開始那個開戶其實並不是那個詐騙犯,而是那家公司他變更負責人。"},{"start":11208.368,"end":11228.275,"text":"主委在說明的時候已經產生這樣的現象這一個過程他已經可以跑你的漏洞可以跑你有法的漏洞去轉變成為國際的笑話你現在要回答的是我們到底又怎麼回事我們要怎麼圍堵你還給我解釋這個"},{"start":11229.155,"end":11231.456,"text":"怎麼積極控制請教KYC如果沒有控制認識你的客戶"},{"start":11250.626,"end":11251.447,"text":"你把你因為已經被騙了"},{"start":11278.466,"end":11282.911,"text":"臺灣是詐騙犯罪者的天堂這是絕對不容許的我要在這邊嚴肅的告訴你你把你目前的樣態我們已經被如此的糟蹋我們要怎麼辦"},{"start":11300.589,"end":11313.998,"text":"我們的營運方案到底是什麼順便資料給本席我再一次強調臺灣是一個美麗的寶島不能成為詐騙犯逃逸的而且施詐我們臺灣繼續變我們臺灣的一個讓他成為他詐騙的天堂你認懂吧"},{"start":11319.341,"end":11321.943,"text":"11月5日日本東京證交交易所把股票交易時間延長30分鐘,總計5.5小時,一直到下午3點半結束。"},{"start":11338.554,"end":11357.663,"text":"從1954年時隔70年以來他再一次70年後他延長了交易時間那麼這個也引起國際金融的市場的一個矚目那當時本席在大概一個多月前加上兩個月在這邊也問了也就是說到底我們台股會不會跟進因為這個要嚴格的去討論"},{"start":11361.324,"end":11361.464,"text":"請做說明"},{"start":11375.877,"end":11376.958,"text":"兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份"},{"start":11400.999,"end":11402.24,"text":"目前為止,交易所給我的答案是不跟進的。"},{"start":11424.977,"end":11449.849,"text":"我們還會再跟交易所再溝通所以第一個我們這個議題就是說你們主委已經跳票了已經失言了失信了他一個月後沒有答案這第一個是你挑戰你主委第二個第二個我們也希望你們謹慎謹慎去討論資到底要怎麼做對台灣會更好好我們再會跟主帝還在券商工會我們再跟券商工會溝通謝謝"},{"start":11452.01,"end":11475.881,"text":"好,謝謝,謝謝副主委趕快把這個研擬的報告給那個瓊研委員接著我們請羅明財委員發言主席各位,初列席官員大家好,主席各位請財政部卵次長還有金融監督管理委員會陳副主委"},{"start":11482.836,"end":11501.762,"text":"本席長期為了地方建設的發展在財委會這個地方一直大力的來爭取財政收支換分法希望可以落實照顧地方讓地方好好發展"},{"start":11504.479,"end":11532.953,"text":"這幾天全身腰酸背痛但是再怎麼樣的辛苦我覺得都值得因為本席算一算也為了新北市爭取到大概應該有超過300億每年增加的這個稅款統籌稅款的這個幫助對我們地方來講我覺得真的是好不容易25年終於往前跨了一步"},{"start":11533.573,"end":11548.612,"text":"不過在這裡我要謝謝財政部因為你們的小氣因為你們的迴避因為你們的不作為逼得沒辦法立法院只好自己來推動"},{"start":11549.933,"end":11577.289,"text":"結束目前為止財政部還是沒有版本啊你們現在有沒有版本目前是沒有但是我跟委員報告其實我們覺得說財化法經過那麼多年沒修不是不能修我們是希望就是說大家能夠盡量多一點多一點討論對啊這個話我已經聽了快10年了對所以我跟委員上個會期我當召委的時候我還在這邊苦口婆心我就大家講事情嘛"},{"start":11578.089,"end":11604.565,"text":"好好來談好好來做可是財政部不曉得為什麼全部都失能又失智部長也不作為通通都不做然後就一直等著仰賴上面關愛的眼神現在整個都是亂掉了亂的套中華民國的推動我們所有事情的這個進展可以全部都看一個總統的臉色嗎"},{"start":11607.332,"end":11624.301,"text":"我們國家到底是總統制還是什麼制?我們好不容易培養的文官體制大家心裡都有一支尺該怎麼樣來照顧地方推動不過這一次這樣整個可以說是荒腔走板"},{"start":11625.402,"end":11651.818,"text":"坦白講我不樂見看到立法院所有推動的事項通通都是要靠拳頭通通是要打天下打來的這個思維這個是可以討論的嘛另外一個就是執政黨民進黨也太沒自信了啦22個縣市你們做得好民進黨做得好你通通可以拿回去啊"},{"start":11652.697,"end":11680.99,"text":"也不見得這個金額下放到地方永遠都是哪個黨在做啊錢到的地方就是照顧所有的全民在小學班班有鮮奶每個教室有冷氣的時候他還有規定在催藍的或綠的小朋友嗎沒有嘛這都一體適用的啊所以大家心態應該要持平到底有沒有需要"},{"start":11682.23,"end":11692.636,"text":"坦白說這次裁判有通過全部加起來多的預算是多少加起來額外釋出的是吧對額外釋出3753億好3753億那這個數字其實也不大今年的"},{"start":11700.387,"end":11726.732,"text":"這個稅收超徵多少?所以我覺得這個很容易被誤解你都回答就好了今年大概稅收會超徵多少?大概我們現在時增數會超過預算數了如果中央數來講大概是3500到3700但是這個東西超過的這個金額就是其實不值他不能夠直接用來去年也是超徵多少?"},{"start":11728.132,"end":11748.387,"text":"去年大概應該也是兩三千億嘛其實這十年來每年的稅收幾乎都超徵有年還超徵五千億啊所以我覺得財政部的心態不要當作一個守財奴錢應該花在刀口下放給地方"},{"start":11749.777,"end":11769.802,"text":"讓地方可以更成長,我堅持目前到現在,參考通過了以後,聽到的都是一片叫好。新北有12個立委,沒有支持就把名字公布出來,看他回去地方,怎麼樣對地方的父老交代。"},{"start":11771.274,"end":11794.793,"text":"地方嗷嗷待哺啊我們多少地方的建設捷運、公路、學校、長照還有教育等等一些基層大家都需要幫忙啊都是仰賴中央可是我們在地方看中央的時候你們常常大鼻揮軍購就是4千億"},{"start":11796.175,"end":11823.658,"text":"大筆一揮不到一分鐘在這個地方就在財委會一次通過八千八百億前瞻的預算天啊你們可以這樣搞把一年大概不到十分之一多的金額下放給地方過去賴清德賴總統他所講的多少民進黨立委所支持的就是希望中央多一點經費給地方"},{"start":11825.563,"end"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