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112年度決算案"},{"start":2443.622,"end":2464.917,"text":"比112年度的預算增加了26億就是誠如剛才郡縣等委員所提的這種狀況這個預算編列是過於保守那為符合預算的實際執行狀況那是應該要增加該項的預算那我提示一議以上"},{"start":2467.781,"end":2468.162,"text":"李卿哲議員"},{"start":2477.873,"end":2494.946,"text":"是,那針對這個既然費稅率變略的這個部分我想大概跟各位我們報告一下大概就是說從112年到這個114年的部分的話那其實在114年的話我們自己增加了8.75億那所以從這個112年的這個稅率到這個114年的話其實這三年大概總共增略了32.25億"},{"start":2506.715,"end":2507.976,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":2526.095,"end":2545.761,"text":"那所以在扣掉這些相關電動車輛的一個這個部分的話也有相當的一個免徵的一個數量所以我想是不是建議就這個陣列這個1億元這個來做明年的一個這個預算以上做一個簡單的報告"},{"start":2547.418,"end":2572.423,"text":"好那交通部這邊有說明就是說因為那個電動車的數量有在增加那是不是照著原來的傳統的車輛數量會有下降比例上就是有消漲所以建議在這個部分增業以億元那不曉得各位有沒有什麼意見還是我們就照交通部的一個建議"},{"start":2575.066,"end":2577.577,"text":"使用規費收入、汽車燃料使用費為1億元"},{"start":2582.524,"end":2603.989,"text":"二十億也有十億的也有五億的那為什麼要提現在他們每年徵收是二十八億以上所以這個預算當然啦因為如果徵類的話因為他是二十八億到三十二億左右那如果是取得一個剛剛不是競選獎五億是吧"},{"start":2609.063,"end":2614.228,"text":"在過去交通委員會我們一般都會尊重召委的才事當然在相關的這個要增加相關的規費收入"},{"start":2638.428,"end":2641.151,"text":"請交通部再說明一下,讓趙偉做最後的採視。"},{"start":2646.821,"end":2669.097,"text":"這個部分我再跟委員報告一下剛剛講說除了明年這個電動車輛會這個到府這個增加之外其實包括市場的預測都一樣那另外我再跟委員報告一個重點其實每年應徵未徵就是說這一個這一個還要放到隔壘區徵的就是民眾部角的部分其實一年大概有十五十年"},{"start":2669.717,"end":2670.998,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":2691.846,"end":2693.827,"text":"公路總局同仁入戶增加"},{"start":2721.045,"end":2727.39,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":2745.925,"end":2747.986,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":2764.65,"end":2783.49,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":2783.49,"end":2805.981,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":2806.241,"end":2808.603,"text":"第8案稅出通案業務費水電費提案"},{"start":2835.703,"end":2858.75,"text":"研究發展空間10%。好來謝謝主席那針對於退出這個項架的一個水電費事實上在我上個禮拜的一個審議的過程因為我知道整個這個政府的各部會很多的部會都大幅去增加水電費事實上對民眾我覺得有一點那個剝奪感"},{"start":2860.35,"end":2883.456,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":2884.824,"end":2897.912,"text":"好,那麼請交通部這邊說明這邊跟委員報告我們交通部在部分部在過去10年一直是部會的節電的自由生我們到現在為止還是維持在104年的EUI值"},{"start":2901.394,"end":2922.319,"text":"昨年這兩年我們在那個電費調漲上面因為沒辦法去扣合我們的預算編列像112年漲的漲幅我們是高壓用戶漲幅達26%那所以那一年我們的預算又被捅3所以我們到了9月份的時候這個電費就已經出現了缺口"},{"start":2922.859,"end":2941.973,"text":"那今年4月1號又漲了16%那我們現在編的也不過是比去年多120幾萬所以再加上我們還有主改增加了將近80幾位同仁所以這用電在今年是勢必會增加的所以我這邊也懇請委員能夠讓我們維持這個編列以上 謝謝"},{"start":2948.459,"end":2950.62,"text":"水電費支出水電費支出"},{"start":2978.439,"end":3000.964,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":3001.044,"end":3005.846,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算"},{"start":3029.598,"end":3030.199,"text":"韓國瑜主席韓國瑜主席"},{"start":3057.378,"end":3074.668,"text":"檢討非必要的委辦計劃對於相關委辦的規劃重要性及未來預計的成果都應該要清楚的說明。這個部分我是提案三減一千萬、凍結10%、另外凍結10%提出書面後解凍以上"},{"start":3080.253,"end":3081.514,"text":"李昆哲議員法定預算2.28億元,新的一年4.1億元"},{"start":3101.596,"end":3101.796,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":3125.031,"end":3153.988,"text":"許多計畫都需要協辦因為人力不足我覺得目前很多的單位大概最嚴重應該是數位部就是透過尾半費來增加人力我覺得這個是完全不認同的我們這麼多年來精簡公務人力然後很有成效人事行政總處也是說自己怎麼不得了結果弄了半天用尾半費而且規定要駐場人員我想交通部可能還算少的"},{"start":3154.568,"end":3173.341,"text":"不要看數據請你來一到三人來幫忙變成我們承辦人員的小祕書這個部分在很多部會很明顯很明顯那我相信交通部委辦的一個費增加82%我覺得沒有說得很清楚所以我這邊的一個提案是3減1.5億凍結10%提專案報告使得動之謝謝"},{"start":3179.282,"end":3198.045,"text":"邱若驊委員提出第13案,因為看到交通部已經在道路交通安全中的一般事務費編列宣傳費,現在又在業務費中的委辦費編列宣傳費,本行認為宣傳費不宜編列太多,所以要求減列300萬。"},{"start":3199.346,"end":3224.581,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基"},{"start":3227.683,"end":3252.728,"text":"好,稍微各位委員好,簡單跟各位委員報告,因為剛委員所提到說這個委判會是增加人力,事實上在交通部不是,因為就以智慧運輸系統這個計畫來說,因為科技日新月異,所以需要透過這樣的計畫去找到在科技更多元的人才來幫助我們做前瞻的研究等等,制定這個標準還有相關的這個政策跟法制。"},{"start":3253.228,"end":3272.69,"text":"那以114年來說我們除了要做我們現在在整個跨部門跨部會都非常清楚的運輸資料的整合流通服務TTX這個平台我們收了公共運輸等等包括Google的旅運規劃的公共運輸各位可能有用到這都是來藉機我們部裡面的TTX"},{"start":3273.191,"end":3294.056,"text":"另外在114年我們還要做車鏈網的實證的這個部分透過AI的這些先進的技術來降低入口衝突的這個部分另外對於我們非常重視人本部長非常重視人本所以我們會營造在114年會營造弱勢用路人在包括市上同胞在搭公車過馬路這一塊還有"},{"start":3296.738,"end":3298.4,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3311.476,"end":3334.497,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":3334.737,"end":3343.123,"text":"您所關心的這個所謂的道路交通安全這一塊是強調宣導用路人風險意識跟法規用路智能這有所不同以上說明"},{"start":3345.745,"end":3359.572,"text":"好,謝謝我們交通部這邊的說明。那有關第9到13案,那就是有委員提刪減1億5千萬,凍結10%。還有李委員刪減1千萬加凍結10%。那還有廖二委員提刪減1千萬加凍結870萬。還有我們邱若驊委員。"},{"start":3369.937,"end":3376.485,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建"},{"start":3384.754,"end":3390.516,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3412.345,"end":3412.505,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":3427.443,"end":3429.685,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3445.776,"end":3447.417,"text":"檢略5千萬、凍結10%提專案報告有多少一座人力做駐場人員檢略5千萬"},{"start":3466.975,"end":3481.202,"text":"市長這邊再做一個補充你要講詳細一點這個項目裡面我特別報告裡面有一個新車那個新車安全這個平等計畫那這裡面這個零點的部分增加這個零點"},{"start":3482.563,"end":3485.205,"text":"公費出的部分只有4個車型,那明年回歸到"},{"start":3506.578,"end":3529.565,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":3529.765,"end":3536.43,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3556.605,"end":3558.347,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":3576.823,"end":3592.681,"text":"主席,剛剛的盧委員關心那個部分,如果按照那個交通部的說明,主要是新業務那個車輛碰撞試驗嘛,你原本做四項變做為八項嘛,我知道我知道"},{"start":3594.122,"end":3594.142,"text":"委員會長"},{"start":3611.46,"end":3612.722,"text":"光這個部分就會增加九千萬嗎?"},{"start":3627.952,"end":3628.993,"text":"有關交通部就是在114年這個業務費、委辦費這個部分"},{"start":3649.996,"end":3675.61,"text":"總預算是四億一千五百九十一萬三千元那我們向下還有就是三個委辦計劃那我們做一個通案就是科目的一個處理根據剛剛交通部的一個說明因為有新增計劃尤其是針對新車安全平等這個也是涉及到這個車輛的安全也是攸關我們每一個用用車人的一個安全問題"},{"start":3676.57,"end":3698.897,"text":"那這個ARTC我記得這個是好像前年才成立的一個測試嗎?從112年開始做這個平等的作業平等嘛112年我記得那時候好像開始營運的時候我有去出席那個典禮所以這個是蠻重要的一個計畫那本席在這邊還是做一個決議我們還是就是說在這個科目我們就是"},{"start":3704.559,"end":3715.364,"text":"決議還是3減500萬然後凍結10%然後科目自行調整那魯昭爾說要求做專案報告"},{"start":3717.623,"end":3738.229,"text":"書面報告書面報告那是不是召委可以,吳召委這邊可以同意。這樣的喔,謝謝主席啦。那我想每一個人的一個想法不一樣,你們我相信你們要去努力啦。但是那個這樣的一個成長的一個幅度啊,尤其在尾半飛這件事情,尾半飛在很多單位都是失控的。"},{"start":3738.729,"end":3760.196,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":3760.616,"end":3784.114,"text":"主席,至少刪除兩千萬,然後做專案報告,好不好?不然就依徵求大家的意見,謝謝。因為他有一個新增計畫,就是這個安全平等他要做碰撞的一個測試。剛剛市長說明這是要時知時負啦。雖然這樣子啊,五招而已,不然就是"},{"start":3784.514,"end":3787.275,"text":"一億五千萬當然多,我還是建議最少要三億千萬。"},{"start":3806.881,"end":3808.763,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算"},{"start":3827.269,"end":3831.593,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3851.213,"end":3852.154,"text":"三減一千萬,凍結十趴,提書面報告"},{"start":3868.112,"end":3888.644,"text":"因為那時候那個開幕嘛我有去參觀他們有做實際的碰撞的測試讓我們整體的一個參觀我是可以做這樣的一個建議好 謝謝那我們科目就自行調整了就是9到13案就是3減1000萬凍結10%提書面報告然後科目自行調整然後第11案我們改主決議謝謝"},{"start":3899.452,"end":3916.351,"text":"接下我們處理第14到19案有關業務費一般事務費的部分那14到19案我們有6位委員有提案那是不是請提案委員有沒有要做說明的好我們請林俊憲委員謝謝"},{"start":3918.218,"end":3937.466,"text":"感謝主席本期第19案是我們交通部的道路交通安全業務費一般事務費這裏面有一個媒體政策和業務宣導費其實你明年的整體道安經費是減少減少15%但你整體經費減少裏面其中有一項"},{"start":3941.892,"end":3967.5,"text":"就是本席提的媒體政治案業務宣導費卻反而增加而且增加超過一倍你原本今年是編4725萬明年編了超過一億增加了5325億你整個科目的預算都這樣減少了為什麼媒體政治案業務宣導你明年要宣導什麼道路交通安全啊"},{"start":3968.916,"end":3969.076,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":3993.188,"end":4016.695,"text":"來 謝謝主席針對這個一般事務費它裡面因為第一個我們跟前一年比較113年的預算大概1.46億那今年我們現在正在審議的預算大概2.2億再直接比較就增加了7357萬大概增幅高達50%所以增加的也不少"},{"start":4017.515,"end":4040.928,"text":"那我們特別的觀察這一般事務費的向下因為涵蓋了媒體宣傳、政策宣傳等等的宣傳費其實不瞞這個交通部這個我們事實上蠻關心這樣的一個宣傳這樣的一個情況所以在這樣的一個顧慮之下我個人的一個提案是針對於第14案我這邊簡列3000萬凍結10%以上"},{"start":4047.386,"end":4067.336,"text":"好,謝謝。然後還有沒有提案委員要做說明?好,廖先祥委員,再邱樂華委員,謝謝。好,謝謝。我個人提3.6千萬,那這可不跟剛剛林俊憲委員講的是一樣的,那就是預算的增幅超過了100%啦,那有點,有點浮邊的一個情況,所以才會提出這樣的建議,謝謝。"},{"start":4069.441,"end":4069.601,"text":"邱若驊委員"},{"start":4091.445,"end":4106.278,"text":"九點四十四啊那本席認為過多的宣傳費空有一作他的用途啊所以這邊提案簡列兩千六百六十二萬五千元好以上好謝謝邱委員那我們現在是不是請交通部這邊做一個說明謝謝"},{"start":4108.427,"end":4124.678,"text":"趙偉還有各位委員大家早安剛才委員關心的有關前面幾個案事實上在29到35案也是會談那個媒體政策跟業務先導費是不是建議到時候併那個案子來談不過這邊先跟委員報告就是說為什麼我們的"},{"start":4126.259,"end":4142.798,"text":"媒體政策跟業務先導非增加5325萬的原因我想大家都知道是說從112年到130年事實上我們整體的那個30死亡人數是有持續下降但是經過我們分析以後"},{"start":4143.419,"end":4165.174,"text":"在這裡面我們的防治重點機車佔了6成高齡者佔了4成那另外大家很關心的就是行人跟兒少這些弱勢用路人的這樣一個死亡的或是受傷的一個情況基於這樣一個考量我們雖然說從工程面我們目前有400億的案子繼續推動"},{"start":4165.934,"end":4189.381,"text":"但畢竟我們經過分析發現在國內有些道路交通事故主要還是來自於用路人的駕駛行為或是用路行為不當所造成的但是這樣要改變我們駕駛行為或是說我們要塑造優質的一個道路安全的文化需要時間及投入所以"},{"start":4189.801,"end":4204.63,"text":"在這樣的考量上我們基本上在明年度會從四個面向來加強宣導最主要是針對我們的高齡長輩我們知道我們高齡長輩在接觸相關的一個媒體"},{"start":4205.27,"end":4220.165,"text":"主要都是來自於電視或者是廣播尤其是電視的中午或者是八點熱門時段所以我們明年是希望能夠增加電視的一個宣導讓大家能夠來"},{"start":4224.909,"end":4250.983,"text":"更多層面的接觸這樣一個宣導廣告第二個當然機車的部分我們希望是說透過這樣一個網路的宣傳讓我們的機車使用尤其是年輕族群他的能夠接受到一些正確使用機車的一個風險風險此外對一些兒少我們也非常最重要的是還有一個是停讓文化的一個一個塑造我們很希望說透過這樣一個宣導"},{"start":4254.085,"end":4277.286,"text":"不管是我們的汽汽車使用人能夠停讓行人我們也同時會宣導就是說我們行人也要有正確的一個手法的觀念來減少這個事故基於以上的考量建議就是說我們這是免三檢然後並凍結十分之一改那個書面報告使得動之以上"},{"start":4279.008,"end":4280.109,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":4299.138,"end":4325.572,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":4325.872,"end":4353.17,"text":"現在討論的案子也放在後面這針對於媒體政策跟業務宣導費用不過這邊針對於這個在這一部分的一個宣導的一個費用我覺得也可以先來做處理那我個人覺得說說真的因為沒有信任感我覺得先要取得信任感之後未來在這個信任感上面再來做增加那我個人"},{"start":4354.211,"end":4373.287,"text":"還是堅持三減三千萬凍結百分之十以上?交通部這邊要不要再說?好,那廖先生想委員,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝趙委員。那其實交通部當然每年就已經有例行編列他們的媒體宣導的預算。"},{"start":4376.036,"end":4403.108,"text":"這些部分都是新編導我想他們過去也都有許多的一些宣導的業務啦只是說我就認為任何的一個宣導一定是他本身的宣導能夠讓民眾能夠留下深刻的印象才是最重要的而不是說去花錢買石段買那個傳道管道等等的啦我想一個有趣的廣告你有趣的話民眾甚至都會幫你轉傳你根本不用花錢去"},{"start":4403.968,"end":4431.713,"text":"去做一個新聞露出嘛你可能是應該是在製作上面能夠花一點多一點的心思讓這個廣告能夠升值人心才是更重要的啦那我想這個部分應該是過去的過去的成效就已經不是很好的那我們如何能相信我們增加的預算能夠得到我們的目的所以說我會建議就是維持大概跟去年差不多規模的預算去執行那以如果說成效良好的話需要再增加的話"},{"start":4433.254,"end":4452.992,"text":"往後年度再來講。以上。好。謝謝。那如果沒有其他委員有意見的話。請問主席。本席提的是第20還有23案。本席在這兩案的意見是依照目前兩案其實雙方的官方交流成效有限。"},{"start":4455.469,"end":4455.649,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":4471.937,"end":4489.172,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4489.172,"end":4490.373,"text":"公路基金-國道公路建"},{"start":4506.101,"end":4521.954,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4523.605,"end":4536.258,"text":"如果是說委員是真的14到19的話我們是建議就三、五百萬三、五百萬好科目我們自行調整接五百萬交通部部長"},{"start":4542.915,"end":4543.415,"text":"政策宣傳媒體"},{"start":4564.482,"end":4564.522,"text":"委員委員長"},{"start":4579.58,"end":4607.604,"text":"所以我們今天砍完之後你還是增加你知道嗎你還是增加你沒有減少我們已經沒有做到那個說因為確實交通相關的建設需要宣導也沒有說整個整個去把它弄掉不理性嘛我們現在33000萬你比去年還是增加逐步讓我們來看看你這樣的一個宣傳費具體用在什麼成果出來的時候我相信明年一定會比較好好來說明啦"},{"start":4607.944,"end":4608.985,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":4627.392,"end":4631.834,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建"},{"start":4652.984,"end":4679.832,"text":"相關的重大交通政策或是規則要公布的時候都至少要有半年以上的這樣的一個公關行動他們所謂的交通公關行動就是交通的宣導那其實我們本委員會所有的委員一再質疑的就是你們相關的宣傳的效果不彰所以對相關的預算大家就會有相當的質疑"},{"start":4680.672,"end":4694.952,"text":"那必須要提出更明確有效的作為就好像剛才應該是建豪委員所提的或者是明哲、佩翔他們所提的你要必須是要有有效的宣導有效宣導有時候"},{"start":4695.913,"end":4715.23,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4715.39,"end":4725.895,"text":"有時候交通委員會很認真的修訂一些交通規則因為交通部的宣導不力效率不彰宣導不夠的時候讓民眾對交通規則一時的改變無所適從"},{"start":4732.358,"end":4734.219,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":4748.063,"end":4771.749,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4773.465,"end":4795.902,"text":"謝謝李昆澤委員的一個建議那在這邊做處理那本席先建議事實上有關交通安全都是每個委員甚至是每個鄉親都非常關注的一個議題尤其對於我們就是我們國內這幾年的那個就是意外死傷的人數竟然比"},{"start":4796.442,"end":4817.176,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4817.176,"end":4839.343,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4839.343,"end":4861.476,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4861.996,"end":4868.639,"text":"公路公路公路公路公路公路公路公路公路公路公路公路公路公路"},{"start":4891.229,"end":4907.42,"text":"您確定您還要說明嗎?我都快不想說你確定你要說明你自己想一想我再補充一點那這個部分我尊重昆哲委員剛剛最後的一個動議那這個部分但是就是針對這個項目這個媒體政策及"},{"start":4910.862,"end":4930.452,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4931.656,"end":4934.822,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":4944.307,"end":4967.177,"text":"徐志傑委員有要補充。徐志傑,大家好。我講另外一個案子。那個16案,我看那個調查其實有很多不同的項目事實上是調查不完。所以你們本來編500多萬變成1000萬。那基本上如果有增加調查的項目,對交通有幫助的這個都是好事。"},{"start":4968.237,"end":4983.76,"text":"但是我看你們這個500多萬到1000多萬結果調查的項目好像沒有增加那到底是有增加調查的項目還是沒有那對交通有什麼好的調查方式可以再提供是不是請說明一下"},{"start":4985.449,"end":4999.145,"text":"有關委員提到的這個部分我這邊做個說明那我們這一次增加這一次的那個114年編的那個預算的是這樣的項目是五項那就是上次的部分就是今年度的部分是七項的部分所以從"},{"start":5000.246,"end":5000.507,"text":"規模規模規模"},{"start":5015.484,"end":5042.217,"text":"但是我們今年查的那個就是機車跟自小課機車的自小課的話像一般機車大概有1400多萬的母體然後自小課大概700多萬所以加起來就2000多萬所以它母體規模很龐大比那個計程車大很多所以我們這次增加是因為我們平常會的準決經費調查是輪流辦不可能每年辦所以這次的114的調查規模比113的規模大很多所以預算增加在這裡"},{"start":5043.7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claim的宣告的東西,把它講清楚。"},{"start":5932.402,"end":5958.977,"text":"與其派很多人結果每個人那個錢又都不夠到最後審這個審那個然後真正要達到的目的跟效益沒有辦法達到然後大家的這個整個出國的這個品質也很糟結果學習上也沒有辦法像相對用視訊或者是在更進一步其他的方式來的細緻因為這不是出國進修所以這個部分應該是會議的主軸是什麼那臺灣的定位在這裡面我們要怎麼被提及"},{"start":5959.837,"end":5977.647,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位"},{"start":5988.953,"end":6013.162,"text":"所以我們還是希望事情能夠做得更好,而尊重開支,但是當用則用,該審則審。好,以上,謝謝。好,謝謝。那我們現在就請交通部這邊做一個說明。剛剛林委員所提示的就26項,是說我們明年度會新編一個有關道路安全的會議。那也跟各位委員報告,"},{"start":6014.262,"end":6030.43,"text":"事實上我們這一兩年在推動大安的過程中其實一直要求我們說要跟國際接軌了解國際的一些主要國家他辦理大安的一些相關的一個政策所以我們明年就開始編列有關大安的一個出國的一個"},{"start":6030.99,"end":6059.933,"text":"案子我現在是針對林委員這個部分林委員不是你抱歉我想就是基於這個原因所以我明年就編了這樣一個國際其實剛剛很多委員說是不是用視訊就可以其實目前就了解很多的國際會議事實上已經是沒有視訊可能要到現場去參加最主要是說到現場可以跟相關的國家可以面對面建立一個給溝通的一個管道"},{"start":6060.433,"end":6087.52,"text":"所以這邊也請委員能夠支持畢竟現在道路安全是我們目前國家的重要的施政的一個重點透過參加國外的相關的一個會議的話更可以清楚地掌握到國際尤其是歐洲地區各國在執行道安的一些相關的政策的內容是不是可以建議是凍結十分之一提書面報告後使得動之謝謝"},{"start":6090.992,"end":6091.552,"text":"國際研討會及訓練有需要註冊費?"},{"start":6114.747,"end":6133.482,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6144.858,"end":6144.958,"text":"主席"},{"start":6161.412,"end":6176.527,"text":"至於其他行政、交通產業發展還有我們固定的要派員到國外去訓練比較長時間的這些都沒有變所以我們是建議最多是凍結不要三結因為規模我們其實是一直在準結一直在準結的滋用那因為特殊有需要"},{"start":6176.807,"end":6177.628,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6200.061,"end":6200.541,"text":"出國計劃有確定計劃嗎?"},{"start":6226.388,"end":6226.409,"text":"委員會議員"},{"start":6232.876,"end":6252.662,"text":"是不是我這邊就是建議說我們就是用凍結來處理好不好就是有關出國計劃跟國外旅費的部分那林沛翔委員我說實在話我需要看到專案報告我需要看到專案報告而且我們最好報告清楚一點因為不是只有我一個委員有這樣的疑問凍結50%是我的底線那如果是專案報告的話我們就是凍結50%50%是我的底線"},{"start":6262.799,"end":6289.039,"text":"嗯...可是這樣子的話就是說在新年度如果召委齁沒有馬上排他們可能都沒辦法出國就是他只要遇到有計劃需...其實說真的你們如果說是如果跟我講國際會議這個事情不好意思我在民主基金會任職過我也在港務公司任職過我常常出國我常常出國那我知道有些時候這些報告怎麼樣腐爛運用我很清楚所以拜託拜託拜託不要糊弄我們交通委員會好嗎?"},{"start":6298.264,"end":6312.913,"text":"是說要專案報告,也不知道專案報告什麼時候會排上,有些會議搞不好會在專案報告之前,搞不好最近有幾,可能會有這種情況,是不是建議還是用書面報告?主席我這裡有3.1百萬人,你沒有提?"},{"start":6313.837,"end":6316.879,"text":"出國計劃比去年多了,還能去之前的"},{"start":6327.199,"end":6334.904,"text":"你們錢結算多少?用完了嗎?你結算用完了沒有?結算?你們錢用光了嗎?好了,那配強委員那個50就50吧。"},{"start":6350.393,"end":6366.705,"text":"他凍結...凍結百分之五十...不是啦...比我這個砍一百萬好欸...不不...趙偉...趙偉...人家幾個委員已經說凍結專案報告錢不多如果你們繼續這樣審預算去做說明我可以跟你們講"},{"start":6367.466,"end":6373.61,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6393.464,"end":6394.585,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":6412.818,"end":6412.878,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6425.902,"end":6432.486,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6453.021,"end":6466.348,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6479.364,"end":6503.765,"text":"七位委員,七個提案。那我們請提案委員做說明。首先請翁曉琳委員。是。翁曉琳委員。好,謝謝主席。我們知道其實現在政府財政負擔過大,然後交通部的媒體宣傳經費卻是逐年增加。那麼交通部114年其實憋了一億多的媒體宣傳費。"},{"start":6505.066,"end":6509.668,"text":"比113年還多增加了6千多萬6千7百多萬比113年多增加了3646萬本席認為說交通部在這裡邊的媒體宣傳費用過高而且這個宣傳"},{"start":6528.677,"end":6552.807,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6554.408,"end":6556.049,"text":"道安經費今年編列6億元媒體宣傳費只有4,725萬"},{"start":6582.307,"end":6603.392,"text":"約佔比7.8%這是今年的狀況那明年呢一樣是到案的預算結果你到案整體掃編哦就是本來從6月以後明年降到5億剩下5億之後其中的媒體經費是宣傳經費高達1億50萬元佔比達到百分之...將近百分之二十所以我想這個比例原則很奇怪啊就是說"},{"start":6604.292,"end":6628.576,"text":"道安經費我們希望說你能夠把更多的經費拿去做實質的路口可能改善也好或是各項的這種工程面也好那結果你在宣傳經費上突然整體經費下降的情況下面你的宣傳經費還增加這麼多錢還增加了一倍那一倍裡面呢有來說明沒錯說新增一些高齡者的安全用路的用路這些的資能啊然後增強機車駕駛的風險宣傳等等的那第一個"},{"start":6631.557,"end":6632.778,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6649.272,"end":6677.371,"text":"一百五千萬在做什麼?你本來五千萬裡面難道就沒有要去幫助高齡者來增加他的安全用戶資能嗎?本來就沒有要去強調機車嗎?所以本來在做什麼?那為什麼突然要增加這五千萬而且你是在整體的道安經費減少的情況下去把宣傳經費增加所以我想這個是比較說不過去也不太合理所以我才提三、五千萬三、五千萬其實講白了你還是其實從整體來講你還是增加的因為跟去年來比你還是增加的而且會影響你本來的業務以上謝謝"},{"start":6679.572,"end":6680.133,"text":"黃建豪議員林倩琦議員"},{"start":6701.264,"end":6701.424,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":6720.384,"end":6739.104,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6739.484,"end":6766.887,"text":"這個招標上你們雖然採公開招標但是呢限制性招標的方式那麼高難道這些東西就只能是這樣做嗎只有幾個媒體可以這樣子做嗎所以這點是讓人家有一點疑鬥啦那所以我是希望交通部這個部分能夠在未來也應該要做一個改善那我們再回到剛才我們講的這個效度所以"},{"start":6768.548,"end":6791.235,"text":"據我所知你們應該這個拍影片然後針對什麼你們說的增加的部分是針對高齡族群還有一些行人安全但是基本上形式跟網絡是差不多的就是你們網絡平台看起來都是跟過往是差不多的只是族群上有一些調整"},{"start":6791.835,"end":6792.795,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":6819.201,"end":6848.257,"text":"所以我覺得這個整個你們想要增加的族群跟原先的結構差異沒有那麼大所以這是我提出來最主要的一個原因當然你們這部分有做一些說明但是在整體來講這個限制性招標的招標方式跟你們原先平台結構上的調整似乎在今年多變的部分有比較讓人有一些疑鬥跟問題所以這邊是我提出來"},{"start":6848.977,"end":6851.658,"text":"媒體政策增加3600萬交通運輸規劃增加5326萬交通運輸規劃及產業發展增加1倍以上"},{"start":6876.983,"end":6881.962,"text":"你們在去年的預算3億多的宣傳費現在增加了1億多"},{"start":6883.655,"end":6909.584,"text":"增加一億多這是幹什麼用還有你們的決算是怎麼樣請你們說明一下齁你們決算是怎麼樣說明一下為什麼以前的宣傳叫今年度啦就是明年的預算嘛齁你叫今年度要增加一億多所以我們委員才會砍什麼五千萬、六千萬、五千萬的齁才會有這樣一個砍法"},{"start":6910.524,"end":6926.264,"text":"第二項,剛才區議員也講了你們用限制性招標還是公開招標?要不要是不是最低價得標?還有你能不能說明最近這三年是不是都是用同一家媒體得標?"},{"start":6929.428,"end":6950.185,"text":"這裡面會有鬧鬼喔所以部長請你尤其要注意當然大家依法行政嘛公開招標有的就跟鐵路裡面一樣啦什麼區段啊都是他全台灣省各段都是這樣都是同一家他媽奇怪他祖宗有德啊還是遺傳的"},{"start":6951.366,"end":6964.84,"text":"沒這個道理嘛,那個戴阿姨也不去看一看怎麼回事?都是同一家媒體招標,飆到了這就有問題了好不好?我想你們會議處也好,你們有陣風嘛你們針對這方面你們要說明一下好不好?謝謝啦齁"},{"start":6966.612,"end":6966.872,"text":"議員提案資料"},{"start":6984.138,"end":7007.244,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":7007.398,"end":7025.401,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":7025.701,"end":7043.346,"text":"幹什麼要用那麼多的宣傳經費宣傳經費其實就是道安為了道安的我們有道安老人公路局的你就回歸公路局去嘛你把公路局放進來幹什麼那個有編那個有編過去所以我們這邊看起來我們部裡面的預算你這裡多了欸你多了1億多出來的沒有"},{"start":7045.086,"end":7061.47,"text":"怎麼會沒有勒?政令宣導沒有多那麼多只剩下3600而已啊不只不只欸你講的是29案喔我連30案都幫你講進去了喔30案勒你31到34勒你30案是不是增加5000多29增加3600嘛"},{"start":7073.931,"end":7093.06,"text":"那你31到34增加一倍,你幹嘛要增加那麼,有那麼龐大的業務嗎?你道安編到道安區吧,你就寫道安嗎?十二、私通安全業務、暖鞋、十八、結愛、秋肉包等"},{"start":7096.581,"end":7115.847,"text":"我問你你如果是道安的話今年也是道安啊明年也是道安後年也是道安啊你現在跟我扯道安幹什麼你這個道安就在這裡面啊你道安已經就在這裡面你今年度就在這個裡面啊我可以送明細資料給你道安就在這裡面啊跟各位委員報告為什麼今年道安會提高比較多因為大家都知道我們在"},{"start":7116.287,"end":7143.047,"text":"硬體建設的部分其實為了道安我們增加很多的預算但是要完成道路安全除了硬體建設之外其實用路人的觀念非常的重要所以我們今年特別用多一些的預算在用路人的觀念上面去做宣導這是一方面那另外一方面就是說我們剛有提到我們今年會比較針對老人家跟幼兒那我們有研究過就是說過去交通部比較沒有針對電視媒體去投放廣告那我們一些老人家他們不太看手機"},{"start":7143.888,"end":7156.781,"text":"所以我們今天會用一些在電視廣告的部分希望老人家能夠看到我們一些道安上面的宣導跟宣傳所以在這個部分我們在今年度的...老人家反而很尊重法律喔我知道他們尊重法律所以他們要...你倒是年輕人啊"},{"start":7161.086,"end":7174.496,"text":"一邊在那邊打手機一邊在談戀愛一邊打播什麼話網路上面的宣導也都有啦但是對於老人家尤其滑手機最嚴重因為我們在數據上面看起來其實老人家在我們要等兩個紅燈才過得了勒都在等行人勒哪有這樣子走的"},{"start":7182.085,"end":7206.493,"text":"所以跟各位委員報告道安在明年度的重點我們會希望說在道路安全教育跟宣導的部分你這樣講是可以,而不是處長那樣講的什麼道安,道安放在裡面道安以前沒有放在裡面嗎?除了硬體面之外你去年前年大前年也都放在裡面啊對教育面也很重要那教育面我們就會放在這個媒體上面的宣導的部分太多了太多了這個你們自己看看斟酌要剪掉"},{"start":7208.254,"end":7224.364,"text":"好不好,我是很討厭你們的,我是很討厭你們的。剛剛已經有減一千萬了啦,已經有減一千萬了。怎麼減一千萬?你說二十九嗎?十四案的時候,道安的部分已經指定減一千萬了啦。不是這樣減,不是這樣減,你要總的來算,你要總的來算,你不能說道安的,你要總的來算。"},{"start":7231.118,"end":7256.371,"text":"我把所有的東西都講老人的宣傳你們預算書裡面喔柏定我提醒你們你們自己都講不清楚你們老人的宣導部分只有1200萬所以齁你不要動這欸所有委員都都是硬頭啊所以1200萬所以你們不要推到這裡來所以重新再收"},{"start":7257.435,"end":7257.635,"text":"黃建豪委員"},{"start":7276.241,"end":7301.45,"text":"去年今年的4725萬你要增加到1億破億齁那來說明的理由就剛剛提到的國城委員提到了嘛你們來說明說這個高齡者的安全用路你們只有增加1200萬就裡面是1200萬是高齡使用者然後在機車駕駛1000萬然後這個車輛停讓行人用路安全慣例1675萬兒少懸導費1400萬然後其他的增加安全入口網站社群媒體行銷50萬"},{"start":7303.571,"end":7322.932,"text":"請問現在你編了4725那做什麼事情?你是這4725做不到這件事情嗎?還是說過去等於說你承認說過去交通部對於剛剛提到的上述這是什麼老人的也好整治行程安全也好都沒有宣傳那請問那過去4725花哪去?"},{"start":7324.514,"end":7327.056,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":7342.347,"end":7342.687,"text":"主席魯明哲委員"},{"start":7368.097,"end":7394.599,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":7394.759,"end":7418.833,"text":"三百六十萬,六千,大概這是總數啦那其他向下有時候不一啦跟各位委員來做一個報告那當然我是跟交通部真的是要見一下啦因為我們預算中心事實上寫了通案整個行政院針對政策宣導跟沒宣費這個一些通案的問題其中我覺得兩個最重要"},{"start":7419.633,"end":7420.214,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":7436.032,"end":7454.053,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":7454.193,"end":7454.373,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7472.748,"end":7472.908,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7492.483,"end":7518.575,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":7519.035,"end":7543.206,"text":"請各位委員我們大家集中討論就是剛剛已經刪了一千萬那針對一億多的預算我們還要追加、刪減多少?以上好,謝謝李明哲找到你的說明好,李鑽澤委員我先簡單跟大家說明一下我們剛才刪了這個一般事務會裡面就有相關這個項目是一千萬"},{"start":7544.486,"end":7572.535,"text":"那這個是屬於一級的類別啦那我們現在討論的是媒體政策及業務宣導會我看有很多的我們的委員提案說要三、五千我要提醒大家這是屬於三級的三級的其實就是媒體政策及業務宣導會是包含在一般事務會裡面啦所以這個要先跟大家來說明然後另外對於台灣的交通"},{"start":7573.735,"end":7597.316,"text":"的意外事故造成嚴重的傷亡這是國人最關注的一個議題所以在過去這段時間交通委員會嚴厲的要求交通部針對交通的改善工程交通規則的一個補全以及相關交通安全文化的一個重新的推廣"},{"start":7598.377,"end":7621.732,"text":"以及相關對交通耗資標線等等提出重要的一個檢視以及重新的規劃。這一些包括改善的工程、交通文化的推廣以及相關安全標線耗資的一個改善都是必須向民眾做正確有效而且"},{"start":7622.592,"end":7623.173,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":7639.189,"end":7656.032,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":7656.152,"end":7677.635,"text":"重要方向是什麼具體內容是什麼那我再一次向大家說明剛才我們已經在一般事務會已經刪了一千人然後現在討論媒體政策及業務宣導會其實就是包含在一般事務會裡面以上向大家說明以上接下來翁曉琳委員"},{"start":7678.736,"end":7679.056,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":7698.643,"end":7713.456,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":7714.758,"end":7734.646,"text":"那就代表之前做的都沒有成效那整個在你們的媒體業務宣導的政策規劃方向都沒有進行檢討然後做一些沒有效果沒有意義的宣導那麼浪費人民的納稅錢所以本席認為說你們應該要重新檢討你們現在去做媒體業務宣導的"},{"start":7742.109,"end":7766.08,"text":"規劃同時就像剛剛盧委員所說的KPI很重要到底他的這個點閱率或是收視率他成效如何就要很清楚的列出來實在是沒有必要花一億多的經費然後再去做這沒宣更何況沒宣的經費我記得是另外邊列的這個一般業務份應該是分開來的"},{"start":7768.993,"end":7786.152,"text":"所以本期這邊還是認為說要至少刪減一半我們這邊還比較客氣就刪減了五千萬但這部分的話是也希望就大家委員能夠堅持我們看看這個錢少一點他們會不會做得更好"},{"start":7787.331,"end":7813.196,"text":"並致力有效降低資安投資。好,那說明完畢齁,那陳雪森委員。剛才坤德委員齁,已經講了。道安會不會有一千萬嘛,對不對?那少砍一千萬嘛。就少砍一千萬嘛,這我們接受啊,對不對?但你今年,你明年的預算比今年要多出快一億耶。這個,那多出多少?多出五千喔?"},{"start":7815.871,"end":7841.854,"text":"五千已經刪一千了市長算過了是不是?確定?對你不講一千嗎?五三是多少?三五千耶,三五千萬三一千一千扣掉嘛,扣掉三四千就好啦部長你自己講三幾塊,你自己講"},{"start":7842.93,"end":7868.436,"text":"若沒有其他委員有其他的問題,我們是不是針對剛剛委員的意見,我們請交通部再做詳細的說明好不好?等一下,還有我很在意的齁,你們把這最近三年是哪些廠商得標的,誰負責請舉手?請舉手,你們齁,沒關係。你做個報告給我們,交通部委員會,我要。好不好,你寫個報告給我齁,三年是不是同樣的廠商得標,我很在意這個。"},{"start":7872.797,"end":7873.798,"text":"公路安全費用5億1700萬元"},{"start":7890.267,"end":7892.769,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":7911.064,"end":7911.344,"text":"國道公路建"},{"start":7926.101,"end":7948.041,"text":"事故最大的主因還是來自於我們用路人他的駕駛行為不當所造成的所以我們希望透過教育宣導來看看是不是可以引導我們用路人來有個正確的駕駛行為駕駛行為來塑造一個良好的道路安全的文化而且這個東西是需要日積月累花時間經費去"},{"start":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bicyclist 高齡者公務員委員會委員長"},{"start":7972.731,"end":7989.599,"text":"其實我們初步的了解是說我們高齡者目前接觸到的媒體主要還是來自於電視跟廣播所以我們之前在媒體上我們也有做廣播但是發現說它可能數量不夠所以我們明年要希望能夠增加這個電視的檔次"},{"start":7992.02,"end":8019.379,"text":"那大家很關心說我們是不是有集中在某一個車裡面也先跟各位委員報告基本上交通部在採購的時候是限制性招標下的公開評審準用最有利標也就是說我們會把相關的招標文件公告以後有興趣投標的這些業者他會來投標那我們會成立評審委員會來做一個公平公正的一個評審委員會"},{"start":8020.64,"end":8030.607,"text":"你不要用有利標好不好,你用公開招標,可以嗎?公開評選就是有點類似公開招標的意思啦。不一樣啦,我當過縣市長啦,我知道啦。"},{"start":8035.854,"end":8053.979,"text":"有利標你們說誰大概就是誰了啦因為通常公開交標就是用最低價格標啦有利標裡面有價格的問題在裡面價格只是其中分數之一啦所以占比而已啦我希望你們通通用價格標也可以用公開交標也可以"},{"start":8056.16,"end":8077.511,"text":"其實跟各位報其實在我們的公開評選裡面價格就是其中一個項目我們希望說是整體性的考量價格在5%嘛你其中一個項目但是我們還是希望考慮說其他的因素啦我想我們是透過委員會而且這個也是有專家寫者來組成的專家寫者喔對那才好笑咧"},{"start":8079.794,"end":8092.014,"text":"專制學者不聽你們的才有鬼我跟你講你問我最清楚的啦我跟你講啦你問價格標有什麼關係你公開抓標嘛你公開抓標有什麼困難我請問你"},{"start":8093.43,"end":8120.175,"text":"我是說裡面有鬼你懂了沒有我幫你抓鬼欸搞不好你們裡面萬一出了什麼事怎麼辦你還負責部長都要負責我想剛剛委員只是我們說要提書面報告不是書面報告的事我們是把這幾年我們到底是哪些業者來投標的資料我們會寫成書面報告提供給委員做參考其實預算的參檢我還不是很堅持我只是決定你們這個沒提完"},{"start":8121.615,"end":8128.981,"text":"政府的採購法都有一定的規範公部門在做招標的時候一定都是遵守這樣的規則他們只要符合法令"},{"start":8146.834,"end":8169.172,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8169.392,"end":8175.154,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":8191.301,"end":8194.343,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建"},{"start":8218.136,"end":8229.48,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建"},{"start":8240.458,"end":8262.84,"text":"因為這次多出來的預算是差不多六千萬那凍結三十趴是因為之前的其實如果說一直說是行人安全啊、宣導其實沒有那麼有利但是大家我們尊重主席也尊重我們委員會的和諧所以我這邊退而求其次我是希望說我們在三十四案三十一案到三十四案的話是尊重魯明哲委員提案三減三千萬凍結十趴在這個部分剛剛已經處理了"},{"start":8267.081,"end":8269.182,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":8284.65,"end":8311.084,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8311.404,"end":8319.23,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建"},{"start":8342.045,"end":8361.484,"text":"明年的預算只有增加五千三百二十五萬,對啦,所以不是什麼一億多都講不清楚啦,如果照委員對這個預算有質疑,我們給他砍一半好不好,五千三百多砍一半兩千五,那你剛剛已經砍掉一千了嘛"},{"start":8363.907,"end":8387.467,"text":"我覺得再三一千萬應該是可以接受啦那你這樣等於要砍掉一半了吧我來講比較快啦三一千五百萬啦好不好如果在聊會砍到兩千萬到三千萬副黨砍一千五百萬啦比較快啦"},{"start":8388.007,"end":8403.234,"text":"一千啦一千啦你讓人家做看看不是他沒提他這個錢增加了三四千萬欸增加五千三百二十五萬五千多萬我們把道安的一千萬算掉增加四千萬謝謝趙偉"},{"start":8405.435,"end":8427.493,"text":"我是請求各位委員在深思熟慮因為我們在去年跟今年都有交通法規上的一些很大的變革有很多新的修法過後的法令民眾事實上都還半知不解有的甚至還不知道所以我覺得宣導這件事情"},{"start":8428.954,"end":8453.346,"text":"正確的宣導正確的這個交通規則很重要給予正確的資訊還有形塑正確的而且讓人民遵守的一個交通規則甚至是法規制度的文化而且這個文化還必須要內化成在生活習慣上能夠自然而然的遵守"},{"start":8453.746,"end":8482.073,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8482.073,"end":8500.094,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8500.094,"end":8515.299,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8515.299,"end":8532.176,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8532.296,"end":8549.031,"text":"我舉個例子啦光是一個人行道我們現行為了行人的交通安全各大城市各地都在施行人行道的更新跟改建很多人不知道不了解為什麼人行道要做那麼寬為什麼人行道為了行人安全要做庇護島為什麼我們那個直角那個圓圈要畫那麼大"},{"start":8557.278,"end":8576.476,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":8576.676,"end":8596.766,"text":"交通部他們執行的成效講得不夠好或者是不精準或者是沒有辦法說服我們我們就以後繼續強力的要求甚至KPI還有後續的報告我們甚至可以要求他們來仔細說清楚但是預算是不是拙減就好啦塞一千萬啦好不好謝謝"},{"start":8600.928,"end":8622.513,"text":"提出一個建議啦那個部長你這裡也不要堅持說1500其實1500啊國民黨黨團這裡啊已經非常放鬆但是我建議啦我建議你送到沒有共識送到黨團去協商會更慘啦所以我建議我建議我建議啦是不是大家折衷一下"},{"start":8623.649,"end":8635.368,"text":"一千兩百萬啊不要再講了你們再講的話毛環了好啦一千兩百萬算是有單數欸等一下好那就不要再講了我們就你這個要公開投票嗎"},{"start":8637.018,"end":8660.211,"text":"公開招標就是按照採購法就是要的啊我跟妳講啦招會長的依法行政都是依法行政被抓到大海局去那個才是違法的啦不是啊不是啊採購法一定是公開招標啦不是啊 顧慮的就公開招標他是價值標啦你們不要用評審標評審標我跟你講作弊就比較容易啦所以既然這樣就我是"},{"start":8660.691,"end":8662.992,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":8686.235,"end":8688.378,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":8701.372,"end":8701.972,"text":"會砍更嚴重"},{"start":8727.465,"end":8727.486,"text":"謝謝啦 謝謝 謝謝 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不會也沒有南投縣阿"},{"start":13814.048,"end":13841.967,"text":"來部長部長我是不是建議啦吼我們這一條先第一個你趕快先把資料先找出來你把過去已經執行的預算數到底怎麼執行的所有的細目跟計畫內容你準備一份給我們交通委員會那現在在審明年度的預算你又打算怎麼執行是不是更詳細的一個計畫內容要執行的告訴我們那"},{"start":13843.368,"end":13868.807,"text":"請各位委員來支持這個是給地方的預算我們希望能夠著動那趕快把資料給我們啦好不好不然在這裡拖著也不是辦法啊是是是好那李坤傑委員好謝謝那我看這筆預算裡面其實我們要了解一個重點裡面有4.5億是補助地方政府的"},{"start":13870.329,"end":13885.468,"text":"獎補助的這個主要的經費來源那我們看六都啊大概是1億9那其他各縣市有2億5這是這筆經費4.5億裡面一個很重要的比例那"},{"start":13887.206,"end":13906.347,"text":"這一筆經費剛才何欣淳委員已經講出重點了你們在過去相關的各縣市的補助趕快去整理給各個交通委員會的委員另外一個重點剛才何欣淳委員也講到我們這一筆獎勵補助地方的項目是什麼要讓大家知道"},{"start":13907.068,"end":13933.736,"text":"那其實我們這個是獎勵各縣市政府建置地方區域或是廊道協同的智慧交通管理系統這個要清楚讓大家知道還有都市智慧道路的安全系統還有智慧交通的行動服務共享運具的平台建置還有跨運具無縫交通服務整合"},{"start":13934.736,"end":13960.551,"text":"更重要的還有偏鄉或弱勢者的公共運輸服務推廣及運用大數據進行運輸的整合規劃等等這個智慧交通在這幾任的交通部長都視為是一個重要推動的交通政策那這個對於相關各縣市政府的補助是達到4.5億"},{"start":13962.532,"end":13989.849,"text":"包含六都以及各縣市那其他剛才我也向大家報告這些針對各縣市所要補助的項目是什麼大家我認為這個比例算是應該要讓他通過啦是應該要讓他通過那其實講到重點是對於過去你們所做的這一些相關的補助是如何也必須要應該能夠清楚的說明"},{"start":13991.185,"end":14006.622,"text":"在這邊我跟交通部再提示一下在過去不管藍綠的交通部長或是藍綠時期的交通部針對交通委員會所提的相關的預算審核"},{"start":14007.847,"end":14028.274,"text":"在以往各局處都會積極的向各委員來做說明所以在審查預算之前委員大概都會知道這個預算問題在哪邊這個預算的用途它的編列到底是怎樣其實經過交通部的說明委員都會參佐實際的狀況來針對預算的刪減做一個重新的思考"},{"start":14034.136,"end":14054.711,"text":"但是這一次,我看你們部本部啊,不整齊在這次都在補一些基本觀念的問題基本觀念的問題啦,我坦白說啦那真的是要大家交通部,請部長好好地督促各局處要對各委員的提案啊,要加強地進行溝通及說明,以上"},{"start":14055.469,"end":14076.613,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14078.725,"end":14089.921,"text":"繼續處理109到118案。好那有關營業基金的部分那我們在這邊是不是請提案委員是不是做一個徵詢請林沛翔委員謝謝。針對桃園機場這個部分其實"},{"start":14094.227,"end":14117.665,"text":"桃園機場不只是說我們第三航廈已經工程有延誕而且再包括說一二航廈基本上我記得我曾經諮詢過他們每半年就有一次可能漏水或者有一些實質上的缺陷所以說為確保預算有效使用尊潔政府預算一例開源節流所以我建議是凍結50%"},{"start":14120.487,"end":14138.816,"text":"然後要提所謂的專案報告在6個月之內而且部長那個桃園機場的事情總是我們每個人都關心啊不論哪個黨派都關心我們的國家門戶然後一天到晚出狀況那我們先凍結50%重點是說總是要知道有什麼樣的改善吧"},{"start":14139.176,"end":14165.872,"text":"不是說針對是桃園機場來針對什麼而是說國人也想知道總不能出個國然後一天到晚有人從天上掉下來還是一天到晚漏水還是一天到晚出現一些狀況那這個我們總是要知道說而且明年我記得沒有錯的話好像桃園機場的旅客量好像會大增到4500萬人以上我記得好像有這個數字4700萬人還是4500萬人以上我上次諮詢過那如果是這樣的話第三行下什麼時候使用"},{"start":14166.392,"end":14186.549,"text":"使用的話會不會造成一樣的狀況?那怎麼樣去彌補一、二行下的缺陷?我想這件事情專案報告六個月之內我想這是不違規的狀況。以上。好,謝謝。還有沒有提案委員要遵循?何欣淳委員,謝謝。好,謝謝。本席提的是第118案。那一樣,我也很關心桃園國際機場的一個"},{"start":14192.654,"end":14217.363,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14217.823,"end":14245.458,"text":"還有移工的合配比例包括合配之後移工的逃跑率非常之高這個東西到底有沒有對策對工程的進度影響又是如何我們希望陶希在這一方面尤其我們董事長是工程出身是不是能夠更專業的去督導"},{"start":14246.118,"end":14271.271,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14271.972,"end":14279.197,"text":"此動議結束,大家可討論,但希望能有陶姬更精進管理措施的熟面報告。"},{"start":14287.465,"end":14308.602,"text":"主席主席我的提案是第110案主要針對於台鐵公司當然這是要給台鐵公司的錢總共是209億多元那我這邊提動議員的原因是因為一年已經過去了台鐵公司在之前交通部長行政院長甚至台鐵公司的當時的"},{"start":14309.923,"end":14333.063,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14333.183,"end":14360.201,"text":"mentioned 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項安全改革事項還有組織改革一項及營運改革一項尚未解除當然這只是書面報告一直沒有得到解決方案具體上面我們也發覺在民營化包括了這將近11個多月來也發生了大小公安事件人員處理不善的很多奇奇怪怪的事件"},{"start":14363.063,"end":14378.831,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":14381.497,"end":14385.841,"text":"第4目營業基金提議第115案針對台鐵公司營業所需基礎設施重置計劃提案凍結預算數5千萬元介於之前台北車站"},{"start":14404.741,"end":14408.783,"text":"更新設置試行新型列車站務資訊看板,被民眾反映比原來舊版本更沒有那麼詳細。希望交通部針對台體公司未來全台新式列車資訊看板設置工程"},{"start":14427.013,"end":14444.118,"text":"及TIDS自體設計與改善進度等等,然後提出書面報告後,使得動之。那針對第四幕營業基金這個部分,委員的提案都是凍結案。那凍結案的話,有提案凍結一億,還有五千萬的,"},{"start":14445.879,"end":14475.555,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14475.915,"end":14476.055,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":14504.238,"end":14518.945,"text":"當然這個東西國道基金的部分最主要是這個數位韌性的部分啦就是網路電纜的一個管道的部分那當然交通部有單位來溝通過但是還是沒有辦法說服我說為什麼數位韌性這件事情不是速發部"},{"start":14519.565,"end":14543.968,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14544.008,"end":14544.708,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":14571.833,"end":14594.34,"text":"當院大頭幫事務發布花這一筆錢這樣子好那我們請交通部說明是跟委員會報告齁那這個數位任性的部分他主要是在提供齁就是說國五道以南藉由國五的一個一個路廊的一個範圍齁來建設一個共同一個管道那我們只建管道未來的光南部分是數位部他去再做處理的一個出租但是"},{"start":14595.52,"end":14621.665,"text":"租租的費用是我們的收益未來的話就是說他只要有那個光染進來的時候那我們會來跟他說租金來回饋到我們那個建設的一個費用你們這個租金辦法出來了沒有沒有辦法回本這是我們回本倒是比較難因為這主要部分對啊那就是我們在那個我們是依照公路用地使用費的一個規範那以後所有地方政府要做共同管線的時候是不是都可以請交通部幫忙出錢"},{"start":14622.554,"end":14633.192,"text":"來跟委員報告這個是比較特殊因為要經要往宜蘭的部分就是國五的一個廊帶這比較特別這那個我們現在現有的管道這沒有辦法說服我啊這到哪裡都不是重點啊重點是組織機關應該是誰啊"},{"start":14635.772,"end":14655.068,"text":"我們現在是不是就是說我們會來盡量來減少減少那個費率的部分那盡量能夠20年回本可不可以你們訂的費率20年回本我們來試著試試看那我希望這部分能夠下到決議之後我們交通部有關這個東西的收費標準是要能夠20年內回本"},{"start":14659.326,"end":14659.806,"text":"國道公路建設基金-梁委員"},{"start":14678.626,"end":14704.884,"text":"好那120案就不予處理了好那接下來我們處理第6目有關就是第121到123案有關都市大眾捷運系統建設計畫好那在這邊先說明122跟123案就是測案好那我們這樣子就是有121案那提案委員"},{"start":14708.697,"end":14733.782,"text":"提案委員其實是林倩熙委員拜託我跟尤浩來提的那這個案子主要是針對說我們高雄環狀捷運的輕軌捷運設計的時候在大順路跟在大順路那一段有動線的規劃可能會可能有一些可能不足的地方而且針對安全性可能有一些疑慮"},{"start":14735.402,"end":14752.098,"text":"所以特地想要說請交通部在三個月內提出專案報告然後再同意再繼續動之主要是因為說他這邊大順路這一段有動線上規劃跟安全性的問題以上好謝謝那是不是請交通部這邊做一個說明"},{"start":14754.597,"end":14768.155,"text":"跟委員報告,林委員非常關心高雄輕軌存款以後大順路入口的問題就我們跟高雄市政府相關單位聯繫事實上他們現在也積極的去改善各個入口的一些動線的規劃跟標誌標線號誌的一個"},{"start":14772.099,"end":14796.103,"text":"設置,即使它已經有一些成效,但我們會再跟高雄市政府相當,畢竟這個是他們的主管的一個業務,我們會持續的去了解高雄市政府改善的情形。很重要的也是要對民眾加強宣導,讓他知道經過路口的時候要注意哪些事情。那我們是不是具體建議凍結10%以提書面報告以上。"},{"start":14802.563,"end":14830.242,"text":"其實你們應該跟是林倩琦委員解釋因為他是高雄高雄高雄那邊領委所以說我沒有跟委員說明過了可是他剛剛來的時候跟我講說他還是堅持說需要一個專案報告所以說這方面來講可能要可能是要說服林倩琦委員而不是我而且主題主題案其實是有號有委員那基本上來講倩琦委員是擔心說有什麼狀況所以特地要我留下來再去再去了解這個狀況所以這點來講我是堅持的"},{"start":14837.025,"end":14857.075,"text":"謝謝各位關心山明區大順路有關輕軌交通的議題謝謝大家那有關於大順路的這些輕軌違規左轉的這個議題那其實我們在相關的高雄市交通的改善"},{"start":14858.796,"end":14885.215,"text":"秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦桂大順路重要交通幹道秦�"},{"start":14885.955,"end":14893.379,"text":"這個部分我們針對在目前的這種交通事故21起從8月到2024到8月有24起的這種21起的交通事故"},{"start":14901.082,"end":14918.66,"text":"第一個我們要請地方政府請高雄市政府加強相關的交通的宣導這也就是我剛才一再向各位提起的有關於重大的交通建設以及改善工程以及相關的交通號誌"},{"start":14919.821,"end":14939.616,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":14940.016,"end":14961.904,"text":"這個部分我是建議我們會請高雄市政府因為我們終究不是高雄市議員我們是立法委員我們針對相關的大眾捷運系統的建設計畫這是違規左轉的議題怎麼會提到交通委員會來做討論呢那這個部分我做以上的說明"},{"start":14963.546,"end":14969.089,"text":"李昆哲委員李昆哲委員特別關心在當地的一個交通設施包括它整個輕軌的部分大眾捷運的部分去做一個討論"},{"start":14983.337,"end":15003.827,"text":"那當然說在這個部分來講除了就是剛才講的通通耗資跟這個宣導的部分那也因為林千祺委員他有提到那他那個區域還是要做一個整體的一個改善或是相關的一個規劃那才有助於那個地方在跟百貨商社李昆哲很關心高雄市的這個交通問題嘛"},{"start":15004.967,"end":15016.928,"text":"那所以說本席也是希望說林俊傑委員他有提到說槓擊10%以及說希望在就是交通部的單位能夠提出爆發的部分還能夠盡量來協助完成謝謝"},{"start":15021.367,"end":15035.08,"text":"李崑哲議員尊重召委的才是,我再一次的說明違規左轉,交通違國的議題在交通委員會來討論,然後要凍結相關的預算,還要提中案報告"},{"start":15036.221,"end":15052.603,"text":"我們必須要了解我們的職位到底是什麼?要明白我們對於交通政策所扮演的角色是什麼?左轉違規在這裡要提相關預算的凍結還要專案報告謝謝大家了謝謝了"},{"start":15053.629,"end":15054.87,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":15082.185,"end":15083.926,"text":"則中央政府總預算案"},{"start":15097.976,"end":15111.726,"text":"則中就是書面報告我們還是同意凍結10%10%是針對10%啦10%那書面OK啦但是最主要是也跟林千祺委員這邊跟交通委員會的委員能夠一併說明這樣子"},{"start":15113.827,"end":15123.613,"text":"在這邊要再說明這個提案是針對6億8千5百40萬元這一個預算數的實盤這個科目就是高雄都會區輕軌運輸系統高雄環狀輕軌捷運建設計畫這個科目凍結10%提書面報告後時的凍支好謝謝接下來我們就處理這個決議案"},{"start":15143.004,"end":15143.224,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":15152.383,"end":15176.449,"text":"好那我們剛剛保留的有關那個智慧運輸那個部分現在可以處理了那是不是請交通部這邊做一個一個充分的說明謝謝我說明一下跟各位委員們報告我們其實各縣市申請的這個金額其實都還蠻高的我們也有提供資料給大家來看差不多是10億多那我們當然目前我們也還沒核定那也還沒有過預算所以我們是希望至少要"},{"start":15176.869,"end":15206.869,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":15207.009,"end":15208.31,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":15221.881,"end":15244.76,"text":"那你就就那這樣就不要凍結了好不好好那我們就做一個處理我們那是不是我我是不是建議一下啦吼國政委員因為這個都是要補助給各地方政府的來你聽我講完啦讓我建議一下啦吼就是說因為是給地方政府而且地方政府提出來需求遠比我們現在在審議算數高那所以呢為了這個"},{"start":15246.321,"end":15271.929,"text":"請求各政黨我們所有的委員支持我們可以拙減但是不要到3000萬那麼多是拙減了2000萬也不要凍結好不好就這樣子啦好不好本來就國政委員跟其他委員大家幫忙一下對啦因為這些補助你看我們編的預算才4.5億各縣市政府現在剩下的就10億了"},{"start":15274.371,"end":15280.436,"text":"盧昭惟補充這個案子針對這7.28億裡面剛剛有給這個表地方政府其實要的金額事實上是超過10億我們目前核定補助的金額6.21億"},{"start":15297.569,"end":15323.611,"text":"那這個部分我覺得很奇怪那你核定錢不夠是用去年預算還是因為預算還沒有過我們也不敢先核啦有些核是核兩年一次也要核兩年所以就會拉長下去處理所以這個還是不一定的是吧核定完全不一定的要看我們這邊預算過多少那我現在是我有兩個問題第一個就既然還不確定我們可以委員大家來幫忙地方一下"},{"start":15324.292,"end":15349.514,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":15349.684,"end":15370.52,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":15370.66,"end":15375.625,"text":"我真的很計較違犯費違犯費去年9100萬今年變1.94億啊 你說得過去嗎違犯費不要再扯地方政府了好不好但我知道不管說傳說的交通幫或者有一些學者他們做研究我們很恭喜嘛"},{"start":15388.377,"end":15406.984,"text":"問題是說你這個錢多一億多你如果拿過來編給地方政府我就建議大家一毛不要三你這個細節部分4.5億變成5.5億給地方你委辦的計畫跟去年再多一點點而已我的想法就這樣阿如果不行的話你委辦費從9100多110倍"},{"start":15411.165,"end":15437.488,"text":"地方政府你才多4千這個說不過去啦那如果要刪我們當然是指定刪違犯費我們不刪地方政府好不好但能不能調整能不能調整在預算的你們明細部分調整地方政府是515515那其他部分那我們就來討論可不可以你們說明一下好請部長說明應該是可以吧你可以嗎你要不要說明一下"},{"start":15439.06,"end":15463.517,"text":"來啦說明清楚啦好那我們就科目自行調整就自行調整啦不是自行調整是那個自行調整必須是調整在委辦費裡面刪兩千萬啦對地方的繳補助不刪啦"},{"start":15466.826,"end":15466.946,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":15492.944,"end":15511.084,"text":"119項"},{"start":15514.591,"end":15540.863,"text":"一百一十九案 跟各位委員報告這個一百一十九案最後原來的提案最後倒數第二行開始那個原來齊妥式那個這樣改為未來使用收費費率應以二十年能回收成本辦理好這樣OK好那我們廖新祥委員同意同意好那我們就請政府就是遵照辦理好好接下來我們來處理主決議"},{"start":15543.084,"end":15563.46,"text":"第124案遵照辦理然後第125案委員已經同意我們著作文字修正再倒數第二行改為加上資可行性就是補貼電費資可行性是委員有同意好125案有"},{"start":15565.578,"end":15565.598,"text":"126案"},{"start":15576.448,"end":15600.024,"text":"請教中部先說明目前那個針對這18起的霸凌事件那有做出檢討的機制那實際上可以再提供書面資料嗎可以再提供書面資料那還有這18起的他的調查的內容你們有做調查嗎有做調查OK那請再提供好OK改書面報告好那26126案改書面報告好127案遵照辦理好128案也是建議改書面"},{"start":15607.328,"end":15612.009,"text":"128案同意改書面129案同意改書面當時在交通委員會的時候有向我們交通部提出希望可以來做盤點那這邊後續有沒有再做盤點"},{"start":15628.183,"end":15647.056,"text":"議員議員"},{"start":15647.396,"end":15647.416,"text":"130案"},{"start":15665.778,"end":15678.67,"text":"這個也是一樣委員同意把專案改成書面好我們就改書面報告131案一樣也是專案改書面好改書面報告再來132案遵照辦理好133案遵照辦理134案遵照辦理135案"},{"start":15688.772,"end":15706.202,"text":"這個建議文字修正就是請交通部研議針對這個通行民眾提供補助措施。好,那個陳穎委員有同意。再來136案。 遵照。遵照辦理。好,137案。 遵照辦理。好,138案。 遵照辦理。139案。 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謝謝主席我想本席是提二十案跟二十一案跟二十二案那這重點重點看起來因為我刪得很兇就是要刪兩億"},{"start":18595.04,"end":18623.621,"text":"那主要原因啊主要的原因是交通部車輛行車鑑定、復譽以及鑑定的流程啊非常那個非常粗糙然後啊不經真實啊這幾例有一個泰國移工然後他們只看相片看一看就做出兩種一種是嚴重一種是不嚴重我也感覺到很奇怪"},{"start":18624.735,"end":18654.735,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":18656.296,"end":18670.501,"text":"至於多少可以考慮另外我21案可以用凍結之方式凍結方式第二十二案的部分剛才我跟進縣也已經談過這個潮貫車給你們這麼多預算你們也是做不好車禍一年七十幾件"},{"start":18681.476,"end":18711.459,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":18711.636,"end":18711.976,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":18734.053,"end":18757.841,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":18757.961,"end":18783.05,"text":"公共運輸永續及交通平權計劃是為期4年的一個計劃我們希望你還是要說明的更詳盡一點尤其對於偏遠路線的一個虧損永續經營這很有趣因為現在這個不管是客運公車業者不斷的退場我看到快要斷頭了但是所以你們要怎麼樣阻止這樣一個頹勢那我這邊也是提凍結10%"},{"start":18789.193,"end":18791.954,"text":"六十一案客運車輛電動化推動計畫部分縣市落後不少"},{"start":18807.382,"end":18826.825,"text":"簽缺相關設備維修的相關的廠商所以在這裡要如何協助客運業與車廠設備配合這樣才能夠全面的加速進度那這個部分這一案我可以改成主決議了以上說明好 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這個輔導期這個所以大概就是說因為現在的電巴其實本來只有兩家的車廠現在包括已經合併四家還有第五家也在處理所以電巴部分我想後面的話會走得更快速那電巴的這個部分包括"},{"start":20660.176,"end":20678.328,"text":"六十一岸盧明哲委員、六十五岸核心政府委員、六十七岸城村委員都有提到電巴的一個協助鼓勵目前的補助的部分的話其實交通部是補助670萬那還有一些加碼的部分那環境部的話其實是維運了有160萬那這個部分的話我想如果說有更多的業者進來的話這個選擇性多我想這個"},{"start":20681.51,"end":20706.152,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":20709.939,"end":20738.642,"text":"跟早晚還有個委員報告就是有委員關切到那個偽造號牌修法的部分齁那這個上次在專案會議有跟委會報告這個部裡面針對處罰條例的修正重點那這個草案已經送到這一個行政院那行政院上禮拜也召開過第一次審查會議那有些條文的部分我們再細部微調一下趕快送這一個那個行政院召開第二次這個審查會確認之後那就會趕快送這個立法院來做並案的一個審查以上大概做一個補充報告"},{"start":20743.149,"end":20761.153,"text":"委員都有充分的來徵詢表達意見,是不是我們就試著來處理,來變樣處理。這個部分經費算數蠻龐大的,下面科目也很多,委員的提案也很多,從12到70案,有凍結5000萬的,然後有要刪減2億的。"},{"start":20768.314,"end":20794.317,"text":"凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結二分之一凍結案、凍結"},{"start":20796.503,"end":20798.524,"text":"二十一你是同意改動解嗎?是不是?"},{"start":20827.41,"end":20834.717,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算"},{"start":20864.765,"end":20872.912,"text":"總輸118億118億跟委員報告118億都是所有的監理所佔他開門所有的監理業務他要下鄉服務他要做寄送"},{"start":20881.434,"end":20883.096,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":20897.17,"end":20911.697,"text":"一千萬啦,跟委員報告,那個副議會跟委員報告,副議會喔,沒錢,副議會都是付那個,那個,那個,出席費啊,對啊,他把單子給他刪了,他就沒辦法支,好,一千萬啦,一千萬我客戶自行調整可不可以"},{"start":20912.901,"end":20933.997,"text":"你如果把它改為做馬祖大橋的建設計畫我全部負責幫你恢復我努力努力那就是針對公路局監理業務管理我們就是三減一千萬然後凍結十分之一因為林委員要凍結不用凍啦"},{"start":20938.169,"end":20940.691,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算"},{"start":20958.104,"end":20959.985,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":20988.504,"end":21000.228,"text":"陳雪生的案子就是保留送院會協商然後在這裡補充宣告就是針對這一幕委員的提案之中有關17案、18案、19案、28案、30案、37案、39案、52案、61案、69案改組決議"},{"start":21008.271,"end":21012.934,"text":"提案委員同意改組決議提案委員同意改組決議提案委員同意改組決議提案委員同意改組決議"},{"start":21036.696,"end":21062.9,"text":"你們說明一下根委員報告因為就是它這個水電的這個電費的部分其實我們在這個今年年底我們要從那個高工局那邊要接4條以前就是我們的一些快速公路台78、台82、台84、台86這幾條快速公路因為那時候是請高工局幫我們管理所以今年年底要收回4條這個快速公路"},{"start":21063.34,"end":21091.682,"text":"那明年6月底前還要再收回4條台72、台74、台76、台88啊這個電齁電都是他整個這個快速公路的這個燈啊隧道的照明還有這個機電的維修齁啊因為是增加明年要增加8條快速公路的這個處理齁所以其實電費齁我們已經就是說盡量能夠能夠來節省齁也跟委員報告我們現在齁建立所站齁他現在怕省電齁他有時候"},{"start":21092.022,"end":21116.408,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":21116.908,"end":21143.34,"text":"是有增加8條快速公路要接回來是不是不要給我們錢因為那個電真的是沒電沒辦法工作好 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錢才花得多修理的錢花得多如果說有些部分包括中央裡面包括這個交通部公路局或內政部國都署其實會給他協助所以我想這個部分的話其實我們跟地方政府在這方面的這個合作關係其實都是這個非常好的"},{"start":22136.963,"end":22141.667,"text":"另外林國成委員所提到的各地區公務段,對於委員的建議案,屬於哪個委員建議的,我一定會做相關的要求。"},{"start":22154.336,"end":22162.566,"text":"另外86案魯明哲委員提到的自行車升級是第二期計劃從以前主線跟分支線後來發現台灣各區域有一些斷鏈"},{"start":22173.077,"end":22188.651,"text":"斷鏈以後大概就是說怎麼樣去把它就是說斷鏈比如說是要做專屬的道路還是說比如說在其他的省縣道在外掛還是要怎麼樣因為它有些也涉及到用地的一個取得那執行比較慢其實大概就是因為這個大部分都是補助地方政府"},{"start":22188.991,"end":22190.432,"text":"斷鏈補助執行車道補助執行車道補助執行車道補助執行車道補助執行車道補助"},{"start":22212.331,"end":22240.616,"text":"黃教委員有提到就是8889也就是說我們永續提升人行安全這個地方這個其實大概地方政府在做的時候確實因為在施工的時候其實施工的焦為因為你把人行道拆了以後其實這個行人他可能就是靠邊你要做交通追的處理那施工的焦為其實一定要做好這個部分我想我們未來在這個補助地方政府的時候其實在整個地方的施工的這個部分包括會同地方的"},{"start":22240.956,"end":22241.096,"text":"大翁匯報"},{"start":22262.937,"end":22288.395,"text":"這個地方在協調的時候其實他們當初有些部分我的了解其實就是他那個電箱有些地方就是下地或者是他要找地方可能沒地方擺不過這個其實在各地方政府就是說在做人行的這個安全的這一個的話其實這個是在檢核上面是一定要檢核的不會是不處理有可能就是在處理上面有可能他就是台電跟中華電信有可能確實還是找不到地方去擺"},{"start":22288.755,"end":22289.096,"text":"人行道改善"},{"start":22303.062,"end":22305.724,"text":"公路建設及改善計劃預算執行事實上不是補助地方去執行就是做在地方"},{"start":22320.759,"end":22336.254,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":22336.254,"end":22355.162,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":22355.462,"end":22359.964,"text":"第18、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算公路建第18、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算公路建"},{"start":22376.914,"end":22381.598,"text":"我們有跟徐志杰委員就是整個說這個報告了對 溝通了委員是說就是改動500萬就是本來是要凍結3000萬的那我們就好 我們就不理處理啦好"},{"start":22408.281,"end":22408.881,"text":"主決議98案第99案"},{"start":22438.28,"end":22459.644,"text":"對,98案的話就是這邊還有一個就是4個月改一個月就是有修正兩個位置那邱委員有同意有有他已經簽名了一個月內提出書面報告第99案99案的話就是這個有做文字修正包括把市府刪掉還有就是這邊重新提檢把修正委辦理邊坡監測計畫那委員也已經簽名了"},{"start":22462.827,"end":22477.903,"text":"好,那就是照修正辦理好,第一百案一百案的話就是114年度每季改成三個月那委員也簽名了好,就是改為三個月內提書面報告好,謝謝第一百零一案一百零一案就是三個月改一個月啊委員也簽名了"},{"start":22482.054,"end":22496.204,"text":"102案是在交通部這邊是增加一個公路局然後一個月改三個月那委員也簽名了改三個月內提出書面報告103案104案105案106案106案就是在專案報告改成書面報告"},{"start":22506.371,"end":22533.008,"text":"那這個委員也簽名了好改書面報告107案-遵照辦理好108案-遵照辦理109案109案是109案的話文字做相關的修正就是在第二段的倒數第三案這邊有加一個轄管省道公路系統橋樑然後將專案報告改成書面報告那這個部分的話這個委員也簽名了"},{"start":22533.462,"end":22555.973,"text":"好,那就是同意修正文字後辦理了。好,再來110案。好,111案。111案的話就是專案報告改成書面報告,那委員也簽名了。好,改書面報告。好,112案。112案的話這邊是有跟委員報告就是兩個月內改成三個月,然後專案報告改成書面報告。"},{"start":22556.793,"end":22558.275,"text":"三個月內提出書面報告。"},{"start":22572.57,"end":22574.431,"text":"113專案報告改書面報告委員簽名114專案報告改書面報告委員簽名116遵照辦理"},{"start":22591.141,"end":22591.221,"text":"117、118、119、120將1個月改3個月"},{"start":22612.87,"end":22633.343,"text":"一、二、三、一、二、四、一、二、五一、二、五的話是在就是最後一行就是綜合規劃是改成可行性評估然後報交通部並同臺南市政府積極溝通那這個部分委員也簽名了好就是照文字修正後辦理好"},{"start":22636.351,"end":22656.004,"text":"好,那有關交通部公路局及所屬114年度單位預算那個委員的提案審查完均。接下來我們處理國道公路建設管理基金。好,那我們先休息五分鐘好了,那讓我們的這個官員換場一下。"},{"start":22662.711,"end":22667.338,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路建"},{"start":22677.954,"end":22682.3,"text":"所以審查到?我認為只審得到製通,只審到資安,應該審不到素材"},{"start":22695.836,"end":22700.099,"text":"啊...我覺得我們都已經損了理性了啦..."},{"start":22725.276,"end":22737.406,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":22752.458,"end":22753.038,"text":"市長 市長 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謝謝徐副魁委員李昆澤委員"},{"start":23628.809,"end":23645.869,"text":"我簡單提交一下,這個是比較特別的一個項目回收票,很多年輕人不知道回收票長什麼樣子預算兵力150萬元就是用於回溯票的回收之用"},{"start":23646.65,"end":23673.228,"text":"那現在這種回收日益減少了其實也難以增加這種回收數局長你們簡單說明一下現在回收對於這個2024年來說你們回收了多少今年現在將近120萬左右今年到目前將近120萬整年啦今年啦回收票也收到"},{"start":23675.12,"end":23690.2,"text":"一百一十幾件嗎?一百一十萬那你們明年是變一百五十萬那其實它有一個曲線嘛一直曲線下來嘛那我建議是三減二十萬應該可以吧"},{"start":23691.158,"end":23691.678,"text":"徐副委員"},{"start":23712.908,"end":23722.815,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":23737.265,"end":23756.316,"text":"固定資產建設改良擴充預算數是346億3907萬9千元好那我們請提案委員是不是做徵詢那請李坤澤委員好我們來看114年度我們相關固定資產建設的改良擴充其實這個預算編列了346億元他其實比113年度的預算增加了164億元"},{"start":23766.921,"end":23788.746,"text":"其實我們看到相關工程的推動如果是能如期如止完成這是全民大家所想要看到的但是我們就碰到很嚴重的問題就是說近期國內的民間投資與公共工程建設大幅增加所以原建市場其實是飽和的"},{"start":23789.867,"end":23800.219,"text":"各營造工程競組技術人力、機具、物料、民間投資、公共工程"},{"start":23802.574,"end":23824,"text":"那這種我看就會影響到廠商參與公共工程建設的投標意願那國內有很多公共工程都受到影響我想這兩年來我們一直都在討論這個議題那造成我們很多公共工程"},{"start":23825.06,"end":23826.06,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":23846.886,"end":23863.131,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":23864.332,"end":23875.537,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":23891.823,"end":23891.843,"text":"委員會議長"},{"start":23911.596,"end":23931.34,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":23931.34,"end":23958.507,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":23961.358,"end":23979.609,"text":"提案委員都有詢問的,那我們是不是請交通部這邊來做說明是,來跟委員報告有關我們這一項的一個計畫確實是經費其實比去年多了160幾億所以它經費是有大增那確實是誠如李委員剛剛所提的"},{"start":23980.089,"end":23980.309,"text":"國道公路建"},{"start":23997.142,"end":23997.462,"text":"耐震補強規範"},{"start":24024.615,"end":24040.868,"text":"但是現在已經規範到2019了所以我們就按照那些規範的那個來檢討那個橋樑的有錢秩序來做所以橋樑的部分都是以符合至少要符合到2009年的以上的版本那2019年的那個剛修的部分也應該都沒有問題"},{"start":24041.508,"end":24042.589,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":24057.526,"end":24070.321,"text":"委員剛剛有提到楊梅頭份段的一個拓寬目前在辦用地說明會已經兩梯次的24場的地方說明會都已經開完了那我們會陸續趕快來整理之後來辦理用地徵收"},{"start":24072.003,"end":24097.895,"text":"公聽會的部分用地的部分公聽會已經辦完了那我們要後續盡快來辦理用地徵收那辦理花包的一個作業那委員所關心的東豐南巷部分目前我們在辦那個可新民屋當中明年會有好消息啊就是說我們會把那個整個計畫會抱怨這個部分來跟委員先做一個報告是不是容許我們就是30億就是刪減然後不要凍結不要凍結那我們到時候還是"},{"start":24099.659,"end":24107.044,"text":"我們就來做一個處理,就是針對固定資產建設改良擴充,我們就刪減10億元,然後就不予凍結,然後針對我們魯昭維關心的部分,我們請這個公路局這邊要提書面報告,好不好?好,謝謝"},{"start":24125.663,"end":24127.987,"text":"第三十案 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up現在第二幕報告主席我"},{"start":25036.541,"end":25064.439,"text":"報告主席,我這邊先整理一下好不好,抱歉。第三十案還有第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十案跟第三十"},{"start":25065.699,"end":25068.101,"text":"議員主席主席"},{"start":25082.551,"end":25108.097,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":25108.982,"end":25109.642,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25136.647,"end":25154.65,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":25162.755,"end":25166.521,"text":"因明年就是因為自動安修法可能會過"},{"start":25169.622,"end":25178.667,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":25198.479,"end":25199.759,"text":"處理第15至31案處理15至21有關綜合規劃管理的部分"},{"start":25228.775,"end":25232.538,"text":"我主要是針對22案、27案跟28案、3案。22案主要是針對的是所謂的違辦費那這邊綜合規劃其實老實說我會覺得是說這個沒有到違辦的成效其實不是很好"},{"start":25257.756,"end":25261.68,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路建"},{"start":25274.831,"end":25297.644,"text":"那個時候那個部長也在嘛,我是說這個這個E-mail防治系統跟各方面的系統是不是真的需要那麼多而且這方面這方面所謂的這個防詐各方面的這些這些費用我們慌不啷噹的就一次就直接編了將近一億兩千萬那我會覺得是說這個上面來講我們需要一個專題報告然後到那我們知道說到底是這個錢是怎麼用的"},{"start":25298.564,"end":25327.399,"text":"畢竟來講一億兩千萬但是我們也知道這資安系統的攻擊是一直不停的過來的所以我在這邊願意提議凍結百分之五十而且要提出六個月之內提出專案報告另外一方面來講也同樣的也是這個二十八案其實也是一樣中和國道管理上面來講是沒有說要打造堅韌安全可信賴的智慧國家政策但是當我們知道說這次那個詐騙的時候詐騙的實際上是目前相對猖獗的"},{"start":25327.739,"end":25327.759,"text":"虛擬貨幣詐騙53億元"},{"start":25341.839,"end":25360.701,"text":"好謝謝林佩祥委員那葛如君委員好謝謝主席那本席這邊關注第30案是關於整體政府的資通安全防禦的強化那根據抒發部提供的資料113年度截至9月份為止"},{"start":25361.482,"end":25383.735,"text":"之安事件的通報件數高達1329件是108年以來史上最高比108年的通報數708件成長87%那其實令本席最擔憂的是三級之安事件的通報數本來在過去的幾年是有控制的"},{"start":25384.936,"end":25393.302,"text":"從108年的33件那111年稍微提起來到64件112年63件但是113年只統計到8月就有157件這個很可能是200%、300%甚至是400的暴增"},{"start":25404.43,"end":25421.588,"text":"這是一個非常需要當心的警訊因為在往上一集我相信部長應該很清楚市級資安事件就是動搖國本資安署往往可能會用一句就是說鼓勵各部會進行資安通報或者查無不法"},{"start":25422.068,"end":25437.679,"text":"或者沒有資安的問題等等其實我們真的是希望應該要好好的來檢討跟協作政府部門的資安防護到底有什麼根本的問題不然只到8月份就有231件的三級資安事件"},{"start":25439.58,"end":25458.845,"text":"那發生事急事案事件包括公務機密、敏感資訊或涉及關鍵基礎設施違運之核心業務資訊遭嚴重洩漏或國家機密遭洩漏可能是時間早晚的問題或甚至已經發生我們可能沒有發現喔因為我在非常多次的質詢的時候跟這個速發部質詢我們都問了"},{"start":25462.346,"end":25490.52,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":25490.66,"end":25490.78,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":25521.618,"end":25537.807,"text":"好我這邊提了有三個案子那第一個案子是第16案16案的部分主要是針對於我們在113年其實上連續好幾年從我們數位部成立之後"},{"start":25538.627,"end":25541.409,"text":"國安部資訊外宣資訊外宣資訊外宣資訊外宣資訊外宣資訊外宣"},{"start":25561.22,"end":25582.568,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":25582.668,"end":25606.679,"text":"委辦費 委辦費其實我們通常都比較有意見委辦費有它的必要性但是你委辦費比去年增加了一倍多那問題是我們也是希望你們內部要補人嘛補齊而且我想署長也好部長也說補到的人才都是有限定的都有專業的都有能力的"},{"start":25607.039,"end":25630.265,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":25631.61,"end":25642.393,"text":"政府資通安全防護計畫的補助對國內團體的補助,是補助治安院嗎?全部的錢都他的嗎?全部治安院的院長有來嗎?沒來,就是準備領錢沒事,他審預算是不受監督的啊?去年用的錢問責要講一下吧,治安院今天有人來嗎?"},{"start":25659.147,"end":25659.307,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":25670.236,"end":25672.497,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":25698.809,"end":25723.68,"text":"委員長,問不清楚,那這個要補助款的話,我們就是保留碼、協商碼,就這樣。林國成委員剛剛有先舉手,你要先再問嗎?那再請那個葛國均委員,謝謝。好,那個本期有15案、22案、23案、25案,基本上我都是主張三預算的。但是在這裡我特別提醒署長跟部長,當初你們來收名的時候,有些"},{"start":25724.48,"end":25751.834,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":25752.214,"end":25777.16,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基"},{"start":25779.321,"end":25780.261,"text":"一千萬左右。"},{"start":25796.22,"end":25816.206,"text":"好那謝謝林國成委員接下來邀請葛如君委員謝謝主席我這邊補充一下齁那我本席這邊第30案齁我想也是資安這邊有關的議題但是我想資安署沒有來齁我覺得這樣子啊不我說資安院沒有來啦齁那我想這個對資安的這個重視的程度會讓人非常憂心啦齁"},{"start":25816.872,"end":25821.937,"text":"公務加上前瞻也只有12.5億本來本席是說不刪減予以凍結但是我想希望能夠待會的說明能夠有點誠意否則我會希望支持有刪減想法的其他委員"},{"start":25838.491,"end":25863.865,"text":"另外我們也在這個提案這個預算提案的資料說明當中其實我們也有感覺到這個資安及國安變成只是口號的這個狀況那我們在提案的時候我們就有說請資安署應該用公司協力的方式來辦理資安機和工房等業務結果我們得到的回覆是你們的相關的這些所謂的外部的人員的協力其實只是在協力說"},{"start":25865.706,"end":25889.194,"text":"看哪裡有問題提供建議第一是你們這個外部的委員其實領選的機制也是非常隨機的誰有空誰就來那十個人來了以後呢這個說哪裡哪裡有問題提出來了以後到底有沒有解決結果呢竟然是你們找中央目的事業的主管機關也就是你們自己治安署來看有沒有解決"},{"start":25890.074,"end":25890.574,"text":"此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外"},{"start":25908.847,"end":25934.393,"text":"好,謝謝,那我們剛剛有請那個資安院院長趕過來先要過來了嘛,那我們署長先說明,謝謝非常謝謝各位委員的支持那因為這個科目15到31我一起就順著講下來這樣可以嗎首先是15"},{"start":25936.479,"end":25948.738,"text":"那我要跟委員報告是說其實這一個項目就是我們完全有有好好拿近一點"},{"start":25950.322,"end":25979.584,"text":"那要跟委員報告的是說因為我們的工作是以資安署要帶的是7650個附屬單位所以應該說7650個政府機關他是資安法納管所以這些政府機關跟特飛機關我們所有開發的系統跟軟體都必須要是大家共用所以要跟委員就一個一個報告下來就是第一個我們第15案其實我們做的"},{"start":25981.193,"end":25987.455,"text":"檢測跟防禦機制都是全部的7650個機關都共用的那16案我快速的講如果能夠補充的不夠清楚再請委員指正那16案因為委員有講到說我們宣傳了那麼久了那為什麼國防部還有一個這樣子的案子嗎那跟委員報告第一個我們現在在做資料就是資料機敏的傳輸的機制"},{"start":26005.06,"end":26024.309,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":26024.569,"end":26053.279,"text":"在內部傳其實也會被偵測到那另外就是也是有訓練的問題所以委員我也知道說訓練永遠都有新人嘛所以我們永遠都必須一直的講說有個資你不能拿到網路上傳那也請委員支持讓我們繼續新人進來我們也必須訓練他那另外就是在那個17案的部分有人才的缺口的這部分我也快速的跟委員報告一下"},{"start":26056.374,"end":26085.285,"text":"能不能跟蔡常委員解釋一下?好!是!是!是!喔!喔!喔!喔!是!瞭解!瞭解!是!瞭解!瞭解!那剛剛委員有...有問到第10...呃...第22案第22案有一個延期就是...呃...是那個...那個林委員有問到的那這個部分其實要跟委員報告就是說呃...我們不是...我們自己的人而已因為我們一直發現有新的"},{"start":26086.005,"end":26093.61,"text":"新的議題發生比如說AI產生了那麼AI上面我要怎麼防禦人家用AI攻擊我那我得要知道我要怎麼防禦這一段我們得要交所有的7650個機關比如說雲端現在又跑到雲了那雲也不是自己維護那我應該要怎麼防禦才能讓我的資料夠安全那比如說IOT以前沒有用那麼多可是現在幾乎所有的設備都是IOT所以跟委員報告說我們為什麼有一個新的"},{"start":26115.145,"end":26131.766,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":26131.846,"end":26156.303,"text":"然後另外那個盧委員您也問到了同一題所以我是跟委員報告因為有新的新的服務跟新的技術出來那我還是得以自然屬的角色我還是得要知道各國怎麼做那我也要找出真正的防禦機制倒不是運用這個技術去發展新的服務但是如果它上面有漏洞我也得要想辦法做防禦那另外就是"},{"start":26158.049,"end":26186.444,"text":"二十五案林委員有問到說我們有編這個策略會議那我要跟委員報告為什麼二十五案我們這一部分的錢會變多因為我們在資安法修法之後要開始做危害國家資通訊安全產品危害國家資安產品的審議那這個審議不是資安署或者任何人隨便說這個可以用或不可以用我們一定要有情資分享那我們也一定要合理的經過了那個外部的討論跟"},{"start":26187.984,"end":26207.194,"text":"專業的機關的討論機制所以這個審議我們預估會非常多場所以這一部分的經費就是我們為了要做這件事必須要有相對的經費那剛剛那個林沛翔委員有問到就是27案那27案的這個要跟委員特別報告委員有關心說"},{"start":26208.746,"end":26229.121,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":26229.923,"end":26246.408,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":26246.912,"end":26247.872,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":26264.232,"end":26276.201,"text":"任何的有任何的惡意的中繼站或者是有任何的漏洞我除了要求機關自己要修補之外我必須要在整個GSN那邊去做偵測然後有沒有人其實沒修補好我從外部才可以看得到所以這一段偵數也必須做相對的工作這個真的要請委員支持因為我們現在有7650個機關被納管"},{"start":26287.91,"end":26310.623,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":26310.783,"end":26325.127,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路基"},{"start":26340.834,"end":26342.035,"text":"公路基金-國道公路建公路基金-國道公路基金-國道公路基金"},{"start":26359.4,"end":26361.421,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":26375.891,"end":26375.911,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":26391.138,"end":26397.481,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":26420.857,"end":26420.877,"text":"委員會議員"},{"start":26434.956,"end":26435.857,"text":"國安委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":26464.272,"end":26467.773,"text":"請大家也不要忘了因為數位部所有東西本來資安的東西是比較籠統"},{"start":26484.934,"end":26503.76,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建"},{"start":26516.216,"end":26532.708,"text":"市役托的經費,我想資安、道安都是很重要的國人關切的議題不管資安或是道安,這個經費看能不能3.1千萬、凍結10%、提書面報告"},{"start":26538.852,"end":26539.753,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":26563.311,"end":26575.138,"text":"不好意思補充一下其他這個你們同意我沒有意見啊但是這個剔除掉這個獎補助費對國內團體的補助啊這個部分送協商啦好不好那到時候請那個院長再報告一下"},{"start":26578.752,"end":26583.453,"text":"關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建"},{"start":26600.706,"end":26613.374,"text":"他在搞啊?快到了路上快到了啦在哪裡?在幾分鐘?減1000萬然後動10%這點我們認同但是說現在人沒有來嘛老實說真的蔣補助蔣補助基本上就是很複雜的事情嘛好啦他就說我們叫他就趕過來他說在15分鐘內趕到啦"},{"start":26629.769,"end":26631.21,"text":"徐富奎委員"},{"start":26660.242,"end":26664.823,"text":"徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員徐副委員"},{"start":26687.573,"end":26688.193,"text":"徐副國務委員提問第42"},{"start":26703.746,"end":26705.048,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":26721.65,"end":26738.886,"text":"但是因為整體我們在外面所平均聽到的一個感覺效率跟民眾的期待感覺沒有很好那政府機關的一個治安的一個防護也也沒有達到預期啦所以我這邊的一個提案是3減2500萬針對5000萬3減2500萬凍結50%那就全部沒有了謝謝"},{"start":26754.269,"end":26780.27,"text":"主席因為我32案這裡特別就是他們也是這個委辦的這個部分還有人員的訓練這個部分我覺得人員訓練的是太少了這個我們在執行的時候都執行了老半天結果你們在說明的時候也不把它說明清楚所以本席也是主張說這個部分還是要刪的"},{"start":26781.431,"end":26789.537,"text":"因為我是教有理性的3、500萬3、500萬這個稀募7490萬3、500萬3、500萬總結5000萬這樣他們要怎麼做工作你說他們訓練太少了,這樣他們還沒辦法訓練啊"},{"start":26809.656,"end":26818.49,"text":"我們等下就病案處理啦,好不好?還有沒有委員要提問?如果沒有,我們就先請那個治安署署長來說明。"},{"start":26820.899,"end":26845.01,"text":"好,非常謝謝委員關心那個人員訓練這一塊我要跟委員報告這一個的委辦費就是今年特別資安署新接的工作因為我們之前是我們的訓練是育才、留才、攬才育才是資安職能訓練這本來資安署就有在做我們的那個資安長啊或資安職能的訓練或者是資安趨勢的說明這本來就有在做那留才的部分我們今年會想要"},{"start":26847.707,"end":26853.933,"text":"預財是延續性的但這個是新的新界的工作我要講說那預財是延續性的"},{"start":26863.712,"end":26884.241,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":26884.241,"end":26914.172,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":26915.403,"end":26929.731,"text":"學生他自己就近北中南選學校上課然後只要他拿到學分的那個審查合格也可以轉成資訊直系的話他就可以得到學分的補助但是有條件的"},{"start":26930.652,"end":26950.545,"text":"所以這一塊要跟委員報告說因為真的資安人才非常的少所以我們新接了一個轉職系的工作那我們希望跟全國的大專院校合作請他們幫我們栽培各地因為大家分散在全國所以不可能來台北他就就近在他那邊上課取得學分那那個學分只要他考試及格有交報告經過全序部認可的話我們會補助他學分費"},{"start":26957.329,"end":26972.995,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":26973.115,"end":26993.307,"text":"那真的是需要委員的支持是他每一筆經費其實都不是花在資安署也不是花在資安署要聘人的身上就是要給全國那些想要轉職系的人可以讓他去學就近跟大學修相關的學分但是要經過合格學校認給學分而且要全序部認可我們才會讓他可以轉職系"},{"start":26996.269,"end":27021.879,"text":"好那個那個謝書長我再再度請教你一下這一千人你看起來這個叫做畫餅政策啦畫餅政策所以可以做但是你如何去做從來沒有講說你們應該怎麼做所以我們魯超七人已經講說喔補助他們做高鐵我跟你講這個叫做空洞所以我我坦白講啦"},{"start":27022.919,"end":27039.329,"text":"你們剛開始你們也不曉得其實收服委員預算就簡單你們不能收服委員說實在我們就一例一例我們就會有砍預算的這種做法所以我還是建議我還是建議"},{"start":27040.47,"end":27064.25,"text":"比較簡單一點讓召集人有一點對事情處理的比較簡單化我希望有委員在問如何做的時候你們針對問題去答覆不要那種話柄衝擊的政策這樣不好所以我還是建議啦我還是建議該刪的刪阿其他的部分就讓他們去做該支持的我們去支持這樣可能會比較好"},{"start":27065.629,"end":27066.69,"text":"主席,你們補助同學修資訊資安"},{"start":27082.389,"end":27097.213,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":27110.496,"end":27111.716,"text":"報告委員首先是公務人員"},{"start":27134.841,"end":27143.408,"text":"然後我們已經調查過有一千三百個公務人員希望能夠轉職系訓練轉成資訊或資安人員那全國的資訊資安都缺乏所以我們讓機關首長推薦他們的人願意去學習的話我們給所以牽涉條件是公務人員是公務人員去某個學校去報名至少要學兩個這個"},{"start":27158.919,"end":27160.741,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":27182.096,"end":27182.756,"text":"議員報告我們現在正在努力。"},{"start":27204.582,"end":27224.496,"text":"三檢然後凍結你這個東西一定要說清楚啊到底未來的貢獻為什麼他回到各單位你總是要有一些束縛嘛你學了這個之後回去貢獻願意接資安單位的資安工作他願意嗎要願意接資安工作他才能拿到最後的補助款沒有沒有沒有錢是自己先付"},{"start":27233.772,"end":27245.857,"text":"主席主席主席我建議3-500凍結20%我建議3-500凍結20%不然的話說真的不然的話我們就把這個提到大院去好了請其他政黨協商好了因為老實說越聽我越迷糊"},{"start":27256.605,"end":27256.625,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":27272.555,"end":27296.982,"text":"全國的機關的公務人員就是要加強這個資安人員的培訓就是要轉職系的一個培訓那確實目前各機關因為我也有接觸到有些機關的這個資訊的人員確實是不足所以這個是我們是針對公務人員不是針對體制外的一般人所以確實是有那個需求所以我們也尊重委員的提案我們就刪減500萬"},{"start":27298.742,"end":27323.42,"text":"我們凍結10%提書面報告後使得凍支我們就是科目自行調整就是針對第二幕的資通安全業務輔導培訓業務這一個部分我們就做這樣的處理這一個細幕裡面我都知道我要宣布主席不好意思委辦費我們剛剛講的是培訓是輔導培訓業務不包括委辦費吧委辦費兩不一樣"},{"start":27328.2,"end":27354.462,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":27355.859,"end":27355.959,"text":"主席"},{"start":27379.62,"end":27380.902,"text":"關於交通部主管交通作業基金公路建"},{"start":27389.38,"end":27414.078,"text":"好,謝謝那個趙紀仁還有各位委員那資安院是一個行政法人所以是以執行政府交付的任務為最主要的部分那目前我們跟資安署是一個工作夥伴的關係那資安署負責是整個政府的政策法規相關制度的推動"},{"start":27414.818,"end":27416.88,"text":"資安技術研發資安事件通報應變處理、攻防演練等資訊技術應用"},{"start":27430.074,"end":27438.177,"text":"全都由資安署編列相關補助費用來協助推動。成立兩年以來,資安署在國內資安人才相當困難的情況下,延展250個專業。專業人才一方面執行國家重要政策的技術研發通報應變以外,我們也幫企業,特別講幫企業,"},{"start":27460.006,"end":27487.726,"text":"包括中央跟地方的這個相關治安的技術還有執行了一些公防研練每年的治安檢測還有治安服務團都是由治安院這邊依靠這個補助款來推動所以懇請各個委員能夠支持這樣的工作讓我們治安院在目前的人力編鑄還有一些協助從中央到地方還有公事部門的治安的"},{"start":27488.506,"end":27498.539,"text":"推動幫助國家強化數位證券安全以上補充,謝謝好,那針對院長的說明魯明哲教委好,再詢問好,謝謝院長趕過來跟檢要的說明是因為現在250人是滿編嗎?"},{"start":27504.826,"end":27528.703,"text":"來跟那個委員報告不好意思問一下報告委員因為行政法人並沒有向政府有這個所謂的編制原格預算原格所以你們現在大概有多少人力我們大概是250人是根據這個數位部說話部還有治安署的委辦計劃能夠容納的這個人事監會裡面來處理那現在我們治安署編的所有的委辦被"},{"start":27529.804,"end":27559.787,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":27559.907,"end":27580.142,"text":"委辦部分公開部分我們去競標可能除了治安院以外還有其他的法人跟學校也可以去競標以上補充謝謝可是你們現在兩百多人治安院你們有一個幕僚單位、頭部的單位你們還委託一大堆出去不是你我想說署內最後一個問題"},{"start":27581.323,"end":27588.324,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路基金-國道公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":27616.886,"end":27631.693,"text":"還有部長我特別要提醒一下行政法人只要接受政府之補助通通一定要來累洗你接受我政府的補助"},{"start":27635.701,"end":27650.832,"text":"說實在這跟標案無關欸你知道嗎所以我坦白跟你講跟部長因為你們剛成立不久體制可能至極自設混亂本來立法院只要用到補助也好"},{"start":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謝謝主席簡單說明這個是一個新增的一個計畫然後明年是第一年六千萬但是在整個預算書裡面講的不是根本沒有講不清不楚就要拿六千萬覺得這個產業署在很多編預算的過程都出現這樣的一個問題很含混的就想要拿預算我想這個部分這個我是個人這邊三減兩千萬凍結反正二十希望你們"},{"start":28700.922,"end":28725.057,"text":"鼓勵你們以後編預算的時候把它寫清楚。以上。好,那林培祥委員有要說嗎?沒有了。好,那我們這邊林署長說明一下。好,跟趙偉跟委員報告。這個計畫是我們數位公共建設,就是虛擬世界的造橋鋪路。我們在實體設計造橋鋪路讓各個企業所數位的公共空間也需要能夠做公共建設。"},{"start":28726.077,"end":28742.045,"text":"各國也在做數位空間的公共建設像日本就有虛擬社股還有巴黎有巴黎聖母鏈在數位空間的使用很多企業都很期盼"},{"start":28744.631,"end":28761.497,"text":"國內的國際大廠其實也投入像數位雙生、元宇宙等等而我們在明年會建兩個示範案例這個示範案例是因為我們沒有做過所以要做完之後這個當中也會找地方政委來一起參與因為後年開始就是地方政委要來參加的"},{"start":28764.058,"end":28787.468,"text":"該基金會會下放到地方政府所以有地方政府後年開始就來申請所以明年我們會帶訓也算是培訓這些地方政府能夠開案能夠應用數位空間來創造價值那這個部分這個可以用到電商啊觀光啊數位學習啊等等的我覺得這個是數位空間裡面應該是希望委員會能夠支持那因為它是個新的藍海謝謝"},{"start":28789.889,"end":28790.349,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":28817.988,"end":28820.169,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":28839.395,"end":28866.41,"text":"五百萬。要看魯昭偉。好。OK。好。那魯昭偉同意。那就是三減五百萬然後凍結百分之十提書面報告後時的凍資。好。好。謝謝。那接下來我們處理九到十四案就是業務費的委辦費。總共預算數31億零七七百五十二萬八千元。好。那我們是請提案委員魯明哲昭偉。謝謝。"},{"start":28867.918,"end":28887.915,"text":"好 謝謝主席其實外面都在說我們數位部家大業大財大然後氣也出那但是其實家大財大其實大在我們的產業署錢幾乎都在你這裡那在這個尾半費的部分113年編了21.7億21.7億那今年呢我們看到114年的我們現在審的預算"},{"start":28895.862,"end":28898.829,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":28904.497,"end":28926.152,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":28926.152,"end":28949.889,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":28950.009,"end":28963.919,"text":"第1個有重複性不管是案子的內容跟其他的有重複性第2個是廠商有重複性第3個是標書記的委辦的廠商你們要求他要有駐場人員有沒有住在你們署裡面的"},{"start":28970.222,"end":28985.026,"text":"這是我們接到的罕見,如果是真正的沒有,變成你們的小祕書,但是這尾半分一下多10億,我個人是沒辦法接受,所以我就把大概10億把它調整回來,我是在這裡提出來是3減10億,凍結10%以上"},{"start":28991.155,"end":29009.477,"text":"好 那我們提案委員都有做提問了那在這邊先說明就是11、12、13、14案就是提案委員同意改為主決議案好 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級科目預算數是四十二億六千五百五十萬八千元這個部分我們請提案委員要不要詮詢。"},{"start":30013.335,"end":30013.835,"text":"國道公路建委員"},{"start":30030.271,"end":30048.848,"text":"其實還是一直都有要增進的空間那本席在電子簽張法審查的過程當中除了持續的帶領推動之外也曾多次提到這個22年到23年之間沒有修正有多達26個政府部門排除適用電子簽張也造成我們的民眾"},{"start":30050.129,"end":30069.657,"text":"做各種的公務申辦甚至是民間的企業或者是做各種的這個政府的服務其實都還需要零貴甚至需要實體簽名蓋章等等那因此本市修法總算通過了那我們是希望能夠加速趕上世界的潮流剛剛這個代理署長也講了"},{"start":30071.638,"end":30077.644,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部公路建二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":30090.597,"end":30106.975,"text":"訴發部目前有沒有哪一個部會向訴發部申請要展延緩衝期到一年以上或者到兩年的這個我想希望聽待會說明一下因為這裡我有做一個這個板子他已經多次出現在我們的立法院內了"},{"start":30108.857,"end":30131.796,"text":"這個怕部長看不清楚這個是多達26個政府部門明文排除適用電子簽章但我們電子簽章法修法已經通過了5月15號前總統蔡英文總統前總統公佈施行到現在已經超過半年了26個中央部會裡面我們的理解是還是有17個是排除電子簽章適用的"},{"start":30132.296,"end":30155.575,"text":"那速發部有沒有積極協助各部會來排除適應的困難呢?扣除農曆年我們可能只剩下不到5個月的時間請問速發部你們預算排了要促進數位創新功能轉型升級那這個升級也要升普及也要普及那這個電子簽章算是我們23、22年來最重要的一次修法"},{"start":30156.375,"end":30176.581,"text":"訴發部你預算編了你有沒有信心能夠達成目標然後呢我們剛剛的問題很具體現在你只有17個你還有17個排除適用也就不到10個只有個位數的部門是決定要不排除所以訴發部這邊有沒有掌握那這個部分我希望可以很明確的來說明謝謝"},{"start":30179.176,"end":30188.359,"text":"格儒君委員林國成委員本席提案是23案跟42案23案我認為促進數位創新轉型升級這個部分本席是主張3減10億凍結50%"},{"start":30203.323,"end":30222.559,"text":"另外一個42案這個部分我特別要跟各位報告這我們黨團非常注意非常重視所以我希望這兩筆預算一定要刪一定要刪以上跟各位報告好謝謝林國成委員好那林培祥委員謝謝"},{"start":30225.335,"end":30250.374,"text":"我的案子基本上跟其他跟兩位有重複我就不提了所謂是這類29案數位共融以及培育計畫我剛好看到昭緯也有一樣的疑惑就是說這樣子這個數位共融培育計畫這包山包海又是衛福部文化部然後講的說是因為要產業人才培訓要落實偏鄉非山非市數位平權這個包山包海的那我覺得這東西需要說明清楚啦"},{"start":30250.914,"end":30267.514,"text":"這件事需要重新分析甚至覺得說我現在我提議案是動機50%然後在6個月裡面提出專案報告當然也看大家也看我們所有委員的嫌疑跟我們部裡面的回答好謝謝林培祥委員那還有委員要提問徵詢的嗎李崑澤委員"},{"start":30271.968,"end":30299.105,"text":"林國成委員提議3減10億凍結50%第一個我們要請等一下組長來清楚說明這個相關的預算42億他主要的編列的理由及項目那42億砍10億這個是很嚴重好像一個人的四隻你要砍掉他一隻這很嚴重的事情"},{"start":30300.646,"end":30302.228,"text":"凍結50%凍結預算一般警告5-10%15%-20%是嚴重警告必須提出明確說明"},{"start":30319.723,"end":30321.004,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":30341.318,"end":30342.779,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":30363.277,"end":30364.718,"text":"電簽法通過之前有33個機關,兩間456項排除"},{"start":30392.248,"end":30411.001,"text":"那其中在電簽法通過的時候有兩個機關排除適用就是不用適用就是司法院及法務部他們總共有669項的就是適用了不適用這個電簽法這個在法律上已經規定了"},{"start":30411.761,"end":30424.89,"text":"所以這個我們剩下是31個機關1787項的一個排除適用我們經過半年的努力我們剩下只剩下21個機關跟894項排除總共計效是10個機關893項已經符合要採用我們電簽法當然我們會繼續推動另外一個就是剛剛委員有推詢說我們有沒有協助這個各部位的工具 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