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答覆。3、在不影響文憶前提下授權一審於114年度。"},{"start":2026.875,"end":2044.217,"text":"中央政府總預算案審查報告與黨團協商及範例整理。四、114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部及所屬單位預算案、國立文化基金作業基金附屬單位預算案、文化發展基金附屬單位預算案、行政法輪國家辦公室中心、"},{"start":2044.677,"end":2060.579,"text":"武漢電容測驚醫院、國家電影集視聽文化中心預算案部分審查完畢。會期審查部分另定於113年12月30日繼續審查。11月18日討論事項一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立公共博物院單位預算案。"},{"start":2062.041,"end":2086.337,"text":"故宮文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案。決議一、114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立公共博物院單位預算案。審查完畢。審查結果如下。稅務部分第二款,罰款及賠償收入。國立公共博物院770萬元照列。第三款,規範收入。國立公共博物院原列4億1697萬3千元。增列第一幕第二屆場地設施使用費3303萬9千元。"},{"start":2092.701,"end":2108.134,"text":"五千零一萬二千元,第四款財產收入,國立國務博物院原列七千三百五十五萬六千元,增列第一幕第一屆全年金五百萬元,區域軍戰略改列為七千八百五十五萬六千元,第二款營業營餘及事業收入,"},{"start":2110.135,"end":2127.226,"text":"國立科文博物院原列6000萬元、森列第一幕分營業特種基金剩餘繳庫第一節剩餘繳庫1000萬元、徐瑞軍招獵改列為7000萬元第7款前台收入、國立科文博物院126萬1000元招獵、稅出部分第二款行政院主管第5項"},{"start":2128.226,"end":2150.003,"text":"國立工博院32億2333萬4千元照列,通過決議事實影響。二、114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立工博院主管過關文物藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案,審查完均。審查結果如下,因應業務計劃因應業務收支轉投資固定資產設備改良擴充及資金運用等項目審查結果隨同調整。"},{"start":2151.738,"end":2158.442,"text":"二、業務收支因業務總收入原列4億5762萬9千元增列2000萬元改列為4億7762萬9千元業務總支出4億1099萬9千元照列本期剩餘原列4663萬元增列2000萬元改列為6663萬元"},{"start":2171.068,"end":2191.251,"text":"節奏公庫6000萬元照列轉投資企劃5列數、固定資產建設改良擴充20萬元照列國庫增撥基金額5列數通過決議6項。參定委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分,請相關機關建樹以順便答覆。在不影響文藝前提下,授權一時人員因104年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":2191.975,"end":2216.201,"text":"審查報告與檔台協商之範例整理。114年度中央政府總預算案有關國立工工博物院單位預算案及國立故宮博物院主管故宮文藝藝術發展基金附屬單位預算案全部審查完略。12月19日討論事項。去年審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案。行政院國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。"},{"start":2216.841,"end":2238.699,"text":"科學園區管理局作業基金附屬單位預算案。行政法人國家災害防救科技中心預算案、國家太空中心預算案。決議一、116、中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案審查完畢。審查結果如下。輸入部分第二款罰款及賠償收入。國家科學及技術委員會1334萬5000元照列。"},{"start":2241.121,"end":2259.6,"text":"新竹科學園區管理局439萬6千元照列中部科學園區管理局原列505萬元增列100萬元改列為605萬元南部科學園區管理局原列478萬元增列500萬元改列為978萬元第三款規格收入新竹科學園區管理局原列1158萬9千元"},{"start":2261.882,"end":2282.922,"text":"資歷100萬元改列為1,258.9萬元中部科學允許管理局365.7萬元照列南部科學允許管理局736.8萬元照列第四款財產收入國家科學及技術委員會2,011.4萬元照列新竹科學允許管理局1,7524.2萬元照列中部科學允許管理局5萬元照列"},{"start":2283.422,"end":2296.151,"text":"南部科學園區管理局221,000元第7款其他收入國家科學及技術委員會3508,000元新竹科學園區管理局17,000元中部科學園區管理局37,000元南部科學園區管理局14,000元"},{"start":2300.394,"end":2316.47,"text":"稅出部分第22款國家科學及技術委員會主管第1項國家科學及技術委員會原列683億1368萬2千元除第6目的解國家科學技術發展基金474億1839萬6千元佔照列自所屬非營業特種基金審議確定再行調整外"},{"start":2322.115,"end":2346.074,"text":"檢列第一幕一般行政一般員科目資型條款請以均照列改列為683億1268萬2千元本項通貨決議62項第二項新竹科學管理局9億2309萬6千元照列本項通貨決議三項第三項中部科學人權管理局5億3431萬1千元照列本項通貨決議三項第四項南部科學人權管理局原列16億3898萬3千元除第二幕第一節"},{"start":2350.817,"end":2373.583,"text":"站照列四所屬分營業特種基金審議確定暫行調整外期預均照列本項通過決議傾向。二、113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院主管行政院國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。審查完畢,審查結果如下。1、11期間來源與用途審查結果隨同調整。2、期間來源用途及預儲。1期來源原額495億1388萬元。"},{"start":2378.624,"end":2403.631,"text":"生育1000萬元改列為4952388萬元基金用途495億1388萬元照列本金剩餘原力零元生育1000萬元改列為1000萬元皆由公庫無劣數、不外預算無劣數、固定資產建設改良擴充無劣數。透過決議審想,在113年度中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員會主管科學研區"},{"start":2404.631,"end":2412.736,"text":"管理局作業基金附屬單位預算案,審查完畢。審查結果如下。一、業務計劃一、依據業務收支轉投資固定資產建設改良擴充及資金運用等項追審的結果,隨同調整。二、業務收支業務總收入延遲246億2153萬8千元增利2000萬元改例而"},{"start":2424.102,"end":2427.084,"text":"246億4153萬8千元,業務總支出197億5812萬3千元,本期剩餘48億6341萬5千元,增利2千萬元改例為48億8341萬5千元,"},{"start":2440.772,"end":2464.538,"text":"皆由公戶金額無劣數、轉投資計劃無劣數、固定資產建設改良庫中231億5803萬5千元招列、國戶增波基金額7億2968萬2千元招列、補分預算無劣數、通貨決議四項、一百一四年度行政法人國家災害防救科技中心預算案審查完畢,能夠審核報告提報議員會,不需交到黨委員協商。議會討論時,由萬昭集委"},{"start":2467.139,"end":2480.383,"text":"原美齡補充說明審查結果如下依業務計劃依依據業務收支固定資產建設改良擴充及資金運用等項之審查結果隨等調整二、業務收支業務總收入43554萬4千元兆率業務總支出44988萬8千元兆率"},{"start":2487.965,"end":2508.459,"text":"及短處1434萬4千元招領、結遙工庫金額無劣數、轉投資計劃額無劣數、固定資產建設改良擴充480萬元招領。通過決議三項,114年度行政法院國家太空中心運算案審查完畢,您就審查報告提報委員會不須交由黨團限商。議會討論時,由萬昭級委員美林補充說明說,"},{"start":2509.279,"end":2522.888,"text":"審查結果如下,業務計劃因依據業務收支、固定資產建設、改良庫存及資金運用等項之審查結果,隨同調整。業務收支因業務總收入年內47億1234萬1千元,增至100萬元改列為47億1334萬1千元,業務總支出47億1692萬2千元照列。"},{"start":2531.033,"end":2551.095,"text":"本期短處原列458萬1千元,減列100萬元,改列為358萬1千元,固定資產建設改良擴充無限數,國庫增撥基金無限數,通過決議無效。我對委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未寄答覆部分,請相關機關介述以書面答覆,請再不影響文言提前立下。"},{"start":2551.716,"end":2580.232,"text":"社群審員因104年度中央政府總預算案審查報告與黨團協商之範例整理。114年度中央政府總預算案有關國家科學及技術委員會及所屬單位預算案。行政院主管行政院國家科學技術發展基金附屬單位預算案。國家科學及技術委員會主管科學園區管理局作業基金附屬單位預算案。行政法人國家災害防救科技中心預算案及國家太空中心預算案全部審查完畢。"},{"start":2599.045,"end":2620.206,"text":"請各位委員,上次會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處?好,沒有,議事錄確定那今天的議程有四項第一項,繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案第二項,繼續審查114年度教育部主管"},{"start":2620.986,"end":2626.309,"text":"部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基金、學產基金、運動發展基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金預算案"},{"start":2643.896,"end":2659.266,"text":"第三、繼續審查14年度行政法人國家運動訓練中心預算案。四、繼續審查14年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案。首先我們介紹在場委員。林益錦委員。"},{"start":2661.699,"end":2690.147,"text":"萬美玲委員科資恩委員銀千祺委員可如君委員吳春成委員吳佩義委員郭育晴委員陳秀寶委員謝謝大家最近大家都辛苦了再來我們介紹教育部的官員教育部部長鄭英耀"},{"start":2693.654,"end":2694.175,"text":"政務次長葉秉成"},{"start":2699.144,"end":2724.224,"text":"那個林次長不好意思沒有畫到你齁好我們次長林騰嬌林次長然後再來我們有些就跳過了齁那個沒錯吧行政院主...欸等一下那個署長國教署署長彭復原體育署署長鄭世忠然後再來我們就跳到行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員邱碧珠"},{"start":2727.786,"end":2730.408,"text":"教育部主管各非營業基金預算案64案國家運動訓練中心預算案計13案"},{"start":2757.348,"end":2763.535,"text":"國家運動科學中心預算案暨11案。請醫事員宣讀預算數集提案內容,並進行討論與協商。討論時,如有新增或修正文字之主決議,請醫事員一併宣讀。"},{"start":2776.729,"end":2796.854,"text":"中央民國114年中央政府總預算案有關審查教育部及所屬單位預算案。稅入股本第二塊、發品及配償收入第90項。教育部2314萬元、第91項公民及學生教育所持有5萬元、第95項留守、略屬、立得3項。經濟發財所322萬、2千萬、9千項、平台化服務所8萬元略屬。"},{"start":2801.395,"end":2824.188,"text":"第九屆委員會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議第13屆會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議第13屆會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議第13屆會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議第13屆會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議第13屆會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議第13屆會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議第13屆會議：立法院第12屆教育及文化委員會議"},{"start":2836.637,"end":2841.561,"text":"教育部主管174年度教育部主管174年度教育部主管174年度教育部主管174年度教育部主管174年度教育部主管174年度"},{"start":2855.917,"end":2862.844,"text":"大家邊吃一下巧克力可能體力更好搞不好戰鬥更久這樣"},{"start":2879.108,"end":2883.05,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育"},{"start":2895.936,"end":2918.382,"text":"好,來我先來講一下,其實我在那個說明上面跟教育部其實有溝通過也說得很清楚我們看到畢業這個預算在這個預算的向下其實有一個地方其實是本席很在意的就是我們現在所謂的臺灣台語言認證的一個考試我們可以看到很清楚在114年的時候我們的報名人數有到1萬4那在之前所謂的閩南語語這個能力認證的時候112年"},{"start":2921.443,"end":2933.48,"text":"加起來你扣掉19歲以下不用報名費的人那整個加一加大概有兩萬二所以你看我覺得這個成績其實是非常需要檢討的因為明顯跟現在114年的預估報名人數相差了將近8500人所以我想"},{"start":2937.244,"end":2952.229,"text":"這個保存或是發展這個本土語言其實是大家一直非常重視那教育部也一直說很積極在做不過呢我想在這個預定目標上面的成效不彰所以呢我想在這個編列這個預算上面那我認為說應該我們要再來增列10%"},{"start":2954.77,"end":2955.631,"text":"問美玲希望增列10%教育部這邊是不是要表達一下?"},{"start":2978.257,"end":2978.477,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":3000.542,"end":3023.121,"text":"所以錄的部分其實不是只有臺語認證還有其他項目不過因為萬有緣希望期許我們能夠增加10%那我們會配合辦理朝這個方向來努力好 謝謝所以你們就接受是不是好 那我們這個第一幕就處理完了第一幕第二節 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更重要的專業那不論是在國教不論是在大學端我們都一定要有委辦的案子出去才能讓我們的計畫達到我們要的目標這沒有問題我們一定全力支持"},{"start":4149.781,"end":4172.751,"text":"但是我們就是希望委辦出去以後監督的功能還是要在然後剛才呢有一個問題嘛就是說如果我們這幾年委辦的費用已經成長了百分之百又佔這個業務費用的這個73%73%這個我也沒有意見啦如果大家認為真的有這樣的需要不是成長百分之百的部分呢國教署又下降其實我覺得在國教的部分其實我想我們所有委員也很重視喔"},{"start":4173.291,"end":4200.61,"text":"那國教其實我覺得或許也許將來你們看怎麼分配我認為該增加還是要增加不過呢如果國教已經降到這樣兩成甚至於三成多了可是我們其他的案子現在不明那我是覺得有需要把它列出來那當然我知道你現在還沒有發報書也不能細列但是能不能稍微我們分一下我們把它分一下在各司裡面你到底這個委辦的費用增加在什麼地方讓我們知道一下所以我想這裡這樣啦齁"},{"start":4202.071,"end":4219.129,"text":"我個人我把這個簡列的部分我把它取消掉我想不要簡列這個經費還是給大家使用不過我也要讓大家可以去檢討我們怎麼樣在委辦的過程當中有更好的機制那我覺得凍結的部分凍結數我們可以來討論一下好不好凍結的部分是必須謝謝"},{"start":4221.069,"end":4241.278,"text":"好,那萬美玲委員說凍結可以討論,那教育部要不要自己講一個你們可以接受的,這樣子。好,那個次長先發言,待會部長再講。那個凍結這個可能,這個等一下再請部長看怎麼來說這個。那我只是回應剛才萬美玲提到,因為剛才提到說,之前一些可能出了一些狀況,比較幾年前那個都比較偏偏治安啦。"},{"start":4242.819,"end":4267.113,"text":"這兩年我們在資安這一塊其實教育部非常重視,投入非常多,一直在集合各個單位,所以其實這一部分如果是過去提的這些比較尾半的資安的威脅這部分,我想委員可以放心,因為我們在特別在今年我們做了非常多。那剛剛吳佩瑋的意見好像是希望不要動嘛,是不是?"},{"start":4268.457,"end":4286.106,"text":"外媒林委員說動可以討論教育部部長要不要表達一下意見我想謝謝委員的一個關心確實我們有許多的評估的機制大家都在做事情這也不是放口袋的所以我具體這個回應委員所憂慮的擔心的我們來改進那是不是能夠凍結一億然後我們用書面報告這個然後來"},{"start":4296.782,"end":4318.253,"text":"不是不是,凍結喔凍結喔部長你很慷慨你一喊就凍一億喔我們教育部過去沒有凍那麼高我覺得我們這樣講啦不是因為委員要凍結部長先讓我發言一下好不好先讓我發言一下我想我們今天才剛剛開始審喔這是歲數不算歲數的部分才剛開始第一案我覺得我們要這樣看"},{"start":4319.593,"end":4341.173,"text":"我覺得非盜真的有很大的問題我覺得要來簡列教育部的預算其實我們大家委員都捨不得我們其實希望教育預算能夠多但是凍結是做什麼我覺得我們今天在這裡再次說明第一個整個總這個元劣數38億那我們要委外出去也不是明年一開始38億就全部委光了"},{"start":4341.633,"end":4367.2,"text":"那其實我本來剛剛本來是5%5%大概在1億7、1億8左右我心裡也是在想大概就是我們已凍結1億那其實這個凍結1億其實分散在你們這個各自你們自行去調整那我覺得其實並不會影響如果在明年5月的時候大概4、5月吧解凍要來的時候其實或者是你們把這個書面報告清清楚楚那解凍是很簡單的事情而且是大家會支持的事情所以我覺得這個數字不是重點而是這個背後的意義啦"},{"start":4368.38,"end":4368.641,"text":"其他委員的意見"},{"start":4388.006,"end":4402.231,"text":"就如同望遠所說的,就是說教育部的預算大家其實都真的很捨不得這個檢列那斷案凍結是為了要督促整個業務的推廣那可是這個"},{"start":4404.673,"end":4416.668,"text":"高等生根計劃這些都是非常重要的高等教的業務而且是各大學因應期盼的經費當然我知道"},{"start":4420.353,"end":4425.055,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":4450.347,"end":4478.178,"text":"這不會有影響吧?這是委辦啦?委辦委辦那無論如何那無論如何我是覺得凍結的意義確實這個數目太大啦因為過去我們在審教育部的預算其實在凍結的數其實真的沒有到那麼大的數字那剛剛部長可能還沒有進入狀況我建議辦3000萬好不好"},{"start":4480.279,"end":4503.49,"text":"大家來討論看看跟委員幫我補充一下這個委辦會的部分通常因為為了讓年度一整年能夠去做一些的運作所以通常大概就是可能在前一年的差不多這個時間就要開始規劃下一年度的委辦甚至就開始已經在啟動這個作業那最慢的話也大概年初的時候就要去處理這件事情"},{"start":4503.61,"end":4531.771,"text":"市長讓我插話一下齁我覺得次長剛剛講得很好我們如果是前一年也就是現在我們已經開始規劃了但是呢我們預算都已經來辦公室討論過了我卻沒有看到剛才我所說的如果國教署的預算減少百分之三十、三十三那我們其實相對是增加了本來是百分之百嘛那你看國教署都減少了那你們其他的部分增加這麼多可是誠如次長說的現在已經在規劃可是你並沒有送上讓所有的委員看到對不對"},{"start":4533.272,"end":4551.313,"text":"那你這樣怎麼讓我們會知道說我們這個案子是明年一開始你38億通通要委出去如果會耽擱到我們沒有任何一個委員會去耽擱到這個時程因為每一項計畫對孩子都很重要所以我認為啦如果說我們動一例的情況之下其實明年"},{"start":4551.673,"end":4566.903,"text":"提出來要解凍教委趕快排案其實教育部我想我們大家都是支持的可是我們希望這個機制要出來至少讓我們知道因為委出去嘛委出去不是我們在監督而已是你們大家都有責任委出去以後要怎麼樣去把這個監督責任做好"},{"start":4568.024,"end":4568.524,"text":"凌天江市長是否要發言?"},{"start":4586.681,"end":4611.682,"text":"但你計劃沒來啊你說你現在就在做了但你什麼東西都沒有來啊我們可以吧不是因為他講的是錯的我一定要講他因為他的意思是說現在已經在做但是我們討論了這麼久他東西都沒有出來我們先不要我們讓次長他會先期做一些相關規劃到底要委辦哪些的東西一定是前一年可是你說到年終的時候才給那個比如奧許要去辦他整個半年之間沒辦法執行對啊我們可以整理啦"},{"start":4612.102,"end":4638.152,"text":"我們可以整理要做的委辦的相關的一些的跟委員做參考對那我說建議是不是我具體建議啦是不是能夠動一千萬就好了啦市長希望動一千萬啦剛剛侯孟愷委員有舉手你現在要不要發言呢?沒有,範圍...周委員請教現在是第四案到第七案嘛對不對對,四跟七這樣子那這樣子其實市長我覺得去年的委辦費這一筆有多少錢?"},{"start":4641.758,"end":4650.864,"text":"去年這一個項目下面今年是38億110年19億111年22億然後111年是22億112年29億113年32億然後現在在38億多就是增加了百分之百一直增加嘛第一是一直增加那第二是次長剛剛講的是說我現在已經在預備明年的狀況那但是我們預算還沒有審查完畢啊"},{"start":4671.603,"end":4692.13,"text":"我覺得這樣子我沒有辦法接受是說如果說你現在是講是說我已經在做明年的這個委辦的一個狀況那你不就是先斬後奏嗎你先把我話聽完就是說外媒靈魂剛剛也講嘛就說你有計劃來可以來做一個我們來看是說到底是38億要用在哪邊這是一個"},{"start":4692.97,"end":4720.096,"text":"你現在你可以評估出來那第二你也講是說沒有我們只是預先來做準備那預先來做準備一定還是有priority嘛就是說你之前假設你以去年的32億可以做到多少的一個部分那我們一樣先行啊那你現在即便是凍結1億它也不過就是38億變37億你還有37億可以運用啊你也比去年的32億又多了4億元啊"},{"start":4721.812,"end":4748.24,"text":"所以再怎麼講我覺得說沒有所謂的說因為我現在凍結你反而你大多數的事情都不能做沒有這樣子你去年是32億我再強調去年是32億你可能覺得不足地方所以你們才編到今年38億那編到今年38億可是你到底計畫是什麼到底我們現在到目前為止我們沒有辦法看到而如果即便到最後通過是凍結1億元你們也比去年增加了4億"},{"start":4749.878,"end":4770.349,"text":"道理講你們也比去年增加4億有4億元的經費可以來做合理的運用也比去年可以來做更多的事情是將近5億嘛4億8千萬將近5億所以說你們也比去年32億我們等於是去年32億沒有砍以外我們多給你了5億元讓你們能夠來去做事情嘛"},{"start":4771.329,"end":4783.129,"text":"所以我覺得這一個部分在預算審查的時候剛剛我們都已經開宗明就講很清楚教育經費大家都會面對所以我們以鼓勵以督促以push來代替"},{"start":4785.468,"end":4801.435,"text":"這個真的說必要刪減當然要刪減但是我們更多的時候是希望是用凍結的方式來督促我們教育部來做事嘛所以如果說這樣的話是不是我也支持我們凍結醫院在這一個部分因為已經比去年多增加了4億8千萬以上謝謝"},{"start":4802.635,"end":4803.356,"text":"吳佩儀委員要發言。吳佩儀委員"},{"start":4822.288,"end":4838.099,"text":"可以啦,就是我是覺得說資料趕快提供因為其實剛剛每位委員都是支持你們的業務內容大家關心的是這個管考跟督導那我還是希望說,因為覺得凍結一億多當然這些業務都是可以進行的"},{"start":4838.399,"end":4855.558,"text":"但是會讓業務進行的比較沒有那麼順暢那明年度因為我關鍵很多是新興的業務像我剛剛講的AI的培訓還有我們剛剛說因應我們修法所以很多私資的研習計畫要增加然後還有我們的身障生、特教生等等的"},{"start":4856.118,"end":4862.361,"text":"新興業務有些你是延續性的那就還好那新興業務我真的會比較擔心說如果凍結的金額過大那在他們前期的國華會這個時間會有所延宕到所以我是還是建議是不是我們就凍結一千萬那請教育部趕快確實我們今天要審查你們資料應該要提供充足一點趕快提供給委員讓大家可以了解清楚"},{"start":4880.65,"end":4904.838,"text":"謝謝吳佩儀委員的發言吳佩儀委員是主張動一千萬林益菁委員主張動三千萬萬美玲、洪孟凱主張動一億可是教育部林次長主張一千萬我建議我們休息五分鐘那你還你要宣布宣告的話你要連剛剛部長講的你也要講了部長剛剛是那個免予同意動一億我想我們先因為數字差異很大我們休息五分鐘"},{"start":4908.879,"end":4921.309,"text":"你們部長都喊這麼快,我們說九點五十分就要休息一下。我真的要拜託,我來,現在連續性可以,因為我很多經驗,今天才開始新的,那明年開始新的。所以我同意啊,我同意,但是他事實上也很整齊。"},{"start":4929.355,"end":4943.094,"text":"你去年32億可以做嗎?那你今年你有37億,你一定做得到去年32億的東西嗎?那我現在都加了1億嘛。那我現在凍結1億了,可是我還有37億啊,你都還是比這個大啊。"},{"start":4945.757,"end":4956.328,"text":"那等於是說我們本來有膽量不擺,但是因為行政的不溫充當,所以我們可能沒辦法判決,我這裡有行政就會審訊判了,判了半年以後,現在判了也沒辦法判決。但是我們不是告訴有的不太多錢,然後成長本來就擺了。"},{"start":4967.239,"end":4980.262,"text":"你也剛才不講話我喜歡因為我們自己學校就這樣子我講比較沒經驗的你只要控制好這個我也沒辦法你可以把資料慢慢來大家其實就是這樣,現在遭到很多的地方難道你不要打?他們很奇怪,又要有人去監督你也可以用"},{"start":4996.986,"end":5024.795,"text":"這個我都可以理解,因為這是延續性計畫,等預算通過之後我才來做相關的作業,這我都可以接受那你如果說你甚至你講違反還是你要招標,招標你也可以以那個金額有一些費用,你也不可能全部38億全部都以招標出去你還是一定有彈性的嗎?你所有的違反案你都不是明年過年完畢2月3月全部都要委出去?沒有這種事情"},{"start":5026.215,"end":5052.652,"text":"那我再問一件事你先做一個計劃上我這樣子我完全理解,那你還是會有先後順序嗎?有一些是一定要做,譬如說生學的這種不能影響他生學的,所以說一定就是先做、先發包、先違範,那個預算案不可能砍"},{"start":5054.133,"end":5068.941,"text":"那有一些可能最後有解證,你剛剛講說AI的這部分,那真的就是請他先做計畫,那等到明年年終解凍之後他就可以跑啦,那就是晚半年時間。那有時候要排到四、五月。沒有來不及。"},{"start":5076.485,"end":5083.289,"text":"那你這樣講的話,那你這樣講就等於是說你們都已經跟人家談好,叫他把團隊找好,你的意思就是"},{"start":5098.397,"end":5116.582,"text":"你用教授會失業來嗎?沒有錯嘛,那他找他的助理有可能說我們現在沒有過或是說凍結這三個月沒有給他還沒有解凍之前他這就活下去,那沒有辦法用"},{"start":5119.163,"end":5127.369,"text":"這樣就不是編預算的本意啊!那你這個都沒有審查過,然後你就這樣子要處理,這不是很奇怪?你啟動一定有對象或一定有相關的數額嘛,那就是為你的關鍵點嘛。"},{"start":5140.638,"end":5142.899,"text":"今年其實29億,29億大部分都是基金我們的確是沒5%5%是3.8億,那5%是1.6億"},{"start":5170.667,"end":5174.848,"text":"我猜他剛剛應該是看到我那條,所以他以為是我對啦對,他沒經驗"},{"start":5188.712,"end":5194.119,"text":"大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":5206.514,"end":5208.476,"text":"委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席"},{"start":5225.928,"end":5228.57,"text":"好,這邊那個等一下齁,因為那個羅廷偉委員剛剛是不是還沒有那個要發言?"},{"start":5253.514,"end":5271.652,"text":"講完我們就確定數字了好謝謝再麻煩大家確定數字前讓我補充發言我是第四案我想大家對委辦費都蠻有意見那我願意跟大家一起同動那第五案我對這一個到大陸的這個旅遊的費用對到第四案而已謝謝"},{"start":5275.774,"end":5289.344,"text":"好,我們是不是就確定一下數字,因為剛剛有一千萬、然後三千萬、然後五…沒有含五千的是吧?然後一億的對不對?是那個…外面的委員要先發言嗎?"},{"start":5291.087,"end":5315.76,"text":"好 謝謝周偉我想我再來重申一下那委辦我們一定當然依過去的經驗跟未來我們想要達到的目標值我們在委出去的時候第一個要非常的嚴謹第二個委出去以後中間的監督跟成果的驗收我相信我們從過去有一些些失敗的經驗當中那我們要再更仔細這幾點我想這是前提"},{"start":5316.46,"end":5316.861,"text":"主席主席"},{"start":5334.861,"end":5343.207,"text":"國立教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管47所教育部主管"},{"start":5361.061,"end":5385.893,"text":"必須這個數字要給我們因為這樣子我不知道數學是不是要這樣加那邊減少了總體增加百分之百那你在其他的地方是不是可以這麼想為說增加百分之一百三十三那種概念所以這個資料要來那因為我們很支持教育預算那我這樣子啦我就用我們現在因為整體增加了比去年增加快五億那我們就用五億的一成那動五千萬好不好"},{"start":5387.128,"end":5387.468,"text":"秀麵報告結凍"},{"start":5406.108,"end":5411.39,"text":"教育部現階段又跟我們講說要處理所謂的台商的學校要去看但是我想這個部分我們看到"},{"start":5434.54,"end":5449.998,"text":"到底陸生要不要來台我們沒有看到實際的具體作為教育部有其他的努力因為我上次在教育部長我就有跟你建議那你現在陸方不同意的情況之下你有沒有其他的作為包括旅外的這些"},{"start":5450.939,"end":5457.045,"text":"附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院"},{"start":5472.113,"end":5472.333,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":5487.805,"end":5515.271,"text":"三七十五萬不行跟羅委員報告我想我們還是保留一個良善的一個彈性就是說其實羅委員所指導我們內部有在研議也就是說我們怎麼透過第三地來臺灣讀書的這個事實上我們是有在研議的那也希望說就說不要簡略是不是那個理事長你說明一下好不好"},{"start":5516.616,"end":5531.264,"text":"對不起那在說明之前我可不可以一起發言然後他可以統一說明這樣比較好不然等一下再來一次那也剪短齁這邊齁我們盡量剪短齁好就是我們看到啦齁這個必須要說明一下就是如果我們其實不要刪那我們把它留著"},{"start":5531.544,"end":5536.167,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管"},{"start":5559.231,"end":5563.474,"text":"國際司跟委員報告羅委員跟萬委員關心有關大陸地區旅費部長說明希望保持彈性"},{"start":5575.762,"end":5595.311,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作"},{"start":5605.593,"end":5612.589,"text":"過去的單位可能有對台灣的招生服務中心"},{"start":5615.27,"end":5640.698,"text":"陸生招生服務中心各位委員這邊跟委員報告我們過去有到大陸的教育部去談也有到大陸教育部轄下的招生服務中心、訊息服務中心這個都是屬於他們高等教育整個學歷證或者是學位證採認的地方"},{"start":5641.138,"end":5662.419,"text":"所以但是對方他常常是比如說可能會約在上海或是約在北京所以這個部分請容許我們有一個談信說不要寫死說這個談判的地點他這個談判的地點通常都是他當天比如說舉例我99年去談的時候可能是禮拜一提出來我禮拜三就要去了所以這個"},{"start":5664.222,"end":5686.548,"text":"最近幾年我們在疫情之前還是有去因為109之後他是受到疫情管制他們對方也比較那個控管嚴格一點所以雙方的這一個部分我們在成績上面大概只有科長級這樣子以上說明等一下那個陳培委員剛一直舉手要發言陳培委員先"},{"start":5688.049,"end":5703.051,"text":"謝謝主席雖然這個部分我沒有提案但是我認為如果兩岸的溝通是來自於雙方都是善意的話我相信以教育部的積極絕對可以有所作為那我認為如果要惡意的全部檢列那我們要問的是"},{"start":5704.032,"end":5722.397,"text":"蔣如我今天是那個大熊然後我面對那個小夫每天都在霸凌我然後我還要對他釋出善意我實在是沒有辦法接受這種說法所以我比較支持惠美林委員說的如果我們不要簡烈我們並動保留給教育部一些彈性在相關業務的推進上我相信絕對可以有進度以上謝謝"},{"start":5724.253,"end":5724.393,"text":"吳佩儀委員"},{"start":5755.113,"end":5779.284,"text":"我建議全數凍結我剛只是先確定一下所以應該是跟中國大陸上面跟教育部一些相關單位是在疫情之前都還是保有這樣的一個過程但是疫情之後這6年這幾年來都沒有任何往這個中國大陸的機會嗎目前都沒有嗎官方都沒有你是說私下還是會用到這筆錢嗎我們要請確定嗎"},{"start":5781.445,"end":5807.537,"text":"我們只要先確定這近兩三年來說有沒有就是不管是哪個層級就是你會用到這筆旅費然後到中國大陸去談有關於陸生彼此交流有沒有過這樣子的活動我只想確定這樣子那個還包括我們在港澳的招生是,所以你們有嗎?你們有用到這筆錢嗎?港澳招生還有台商學校台商學校、東莞台商學校這些你們都還是有到中國大陸去做這樣交流只是非是到一個像層級嗎?好嗎?就還是有嗎?如果還是有的話那就"},{"start":5810.238,"end":5832.654,"text":"對,那就可以考慮是用一些凍結的方式,因為你畢竟還是談,談到這個條件嘛,好,那我贊成是用凍結,因為畢竟你們是有這樣的一個交流嘛,到目前為止都還有,對,因為香港澳門目前還是有在辦持續招生,然後東莞台商學校你們還是有做這樣的,對,三所台商學校,好,OK,了解,我現在只要了解這個狀況,那最後那個羅廷薇委員發言我們就處理了,"},{"start":5833.257,"end":5858.413,"text":"好 謝謝我想大家都很熱烈討論大家對這部分我覺得就像萬美林委員一開始所說的你從寫得這麼的簡單我們不要用粗糙這種字眼去批評寫得這麼簡單當然我們會擔憂嘛直接到北京然後也沒有特別說明要到哪個業務我們會想初期我們會擔憂所以在配合現階段民進黨政府所頒布的陳設警報"},{"start":5859.534,"end":5881.368,"text":"甚至是比較不建議到大陸地區那這樣子的話我們當然會希望一開始就不要編列這個費用應該要刪除但是面對有其他的委員開口就直接貼標籤說我們是惡意刪除我覺得我承擔不起我也希望不需要用這樣子的一個字眼在教育文化委員會互相攻擊"},{"start":5882.128,"end":5902.545,"text":"那我也很感謝佩儀委員有稍微提到比較中道的去說明我們都可以溝通我們不會說是鐵板一塊因為教育的部分只要你講清楚我們都願意支持但現階段我最後就是剛剛呼應的那個柯志恩委員所說的那既然要這樣子的話我們就凍結那我希望的話是凍結5075萬謝謝"},{"start":5907.508,"end":5931.057,"text":"因為剛剛大家是說這整個四到七一起並動五千萬嘛我當然知道這個東西是七十五萬嘛不可能有五千零七十五萬我是說這一個全部統統希望新增到五千零七十五萬因為我們剛剛的處理方式是四到七然後五千萬然後大家都接受就四到七啊五千零七十五萬是不是是啊"},{"start":5933.089,"end":5949.773,"text":"解凍的時候我想了解他們到底去了哪裡?看部長要不要接受好不好?就是我們4到7還是一起並動啦?一樣一定並動阿我現在講的是並動喔4到7我們都是在討論4到7"},{"start":5953.034,"end":5962.858,"text":"本來剛剛五千萬大家有共識了現在羅廷瑞主張要加七十五萬就看部長覺得如果不行我們繼續討論這樣跟我們報告我們是五千萬含這個部分然後我們在書面報告的時候也會把這個註明清楚"},{"start":5969.941,"end":5973.004,"text":"五千零七十五萬五千零七十五萬五千零七十五萬"},{"start":5992.043,"end":6015.406,"text":"那現在大家溝通我覺得這個部分特別我擔憂的就是你們付大陸地區的一個旅費的使用到底有沒有更精確我希望你們能夠充分清楚的交代避免你們被統戰這個我們當然都擔憂羅廷文委員因為這個4到7齁就是書面報告之後那個5000萬齁其實就是並動然後都要書面報告一起才能全部解凍"},{"start":6016.627,"end":6030.992,"text":"所以其實多75萬是沒有差別的我的意思就是說因為剛剛大家已經講了五千萬了那書面報告裡面說明一定會有針對大陸地區旅費的就是一起這樣子"},{"start":6032.798,"end":6050.931,"text":"吳佩儀委員因為剛剛前面已經有說4到7幕一起併動但是我也支持第6跟第7案這個因為看起來未來明年度的執行度不會高所以是不是4到7幕就是併動5000萬但是其中有關於這個75萬5000大陸地區旅費"},{"start":6054.133,"end":6064.577,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學校院校務基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":6081.024,"end":6097.145,"text":"那個部長您表達一下好嗎?我們就看怎麼處理這樣。我來補充一下。各位,我就做這樣建議,剛剛提到那個75萬,因為剛剛講的是,如果是對於那個大陸那個高校的招生的部分,這個確實會有變數。"},{"start":6098.727,"end":6120.931,"text":"但是我們也有那個臺商學校吼還有包含了香港港澳的第一也是因為包含了港澳包含了那個國中會考五六五六便就可以進行了那這個凍結就會影響到我們後面的進行對對對是對對對阿因為這個是公務人員所以我是建議啦讓我們可以執行的可以執行啦市長你編列的是呂飛對我知道"},{"start":6121.431,"end":6121.811,"text":"公務員旅費支出"},{"start":6138.947,"end":6165.702,"text":"那個次長沒有發言之前我是沒有意見的其實我覺得就是並動然後看怎麼尊重羅廷遠委員但次長講完以後我真的就有點意見了因為為什麼因為你編列上面寫得很清楚我要去北京然後只是詳細不能講但你現在又跟我說要去這個什麼東莞台中學校那個這樣這樣這樣那你明明就是還沒有設定為什麼還沒有設定因為我們很多的變數嘛那兩岸的狀況現在不明所以我覺得次長是越解釋越複雜以上"},{"start":6171.309,"end":6197.782,"text":"這個我是建議這樣子啦因為我認為這把這兩個拉出來特別動有點奇怪我們還是就一起不然就部長就接受505075一起整體並動好不好象徵性的大家知道這個意思了是不是我們就不用再討論了可以好OK部長OK齁好4到7號5075齁那大家知道這個意思了齁好那我們就進入"},{"start":6199.076,"end":6204.637,"text":"科目自行調整4到7整體並動所以4到5動5000"},{"start":6226.431,"end":6228.978,"text":"六到七要分開處理是這樣嗎?"},{"start":6230.683,"end":6258.795,"text":"四五動五千可是剛剛六到七那個次長說不是因為原本醫事員跟我說可以一起處理但是現在教育部的人說不能這樣處理我那個明確的建議教委啦因為我覺得我們還有好多後面要審查的那是不是因為教育部的人也有來提醒那我們就很簡單啦不要再糾結了四五動五千然後六七動那個75就好了啦"},{"start":6259.215,"end":6259.836,"text":"我們剛剛670次長說不能動75他希望動20、20是不是25"},{"start":6266.118,"end":6266.999,"text":"四到五動五千,六七動二十五萬。"},{"start":6296.798,"end":6325.167,"text":"那我們現在進行第八、第九案一起。那第八案單獨喔?他說教育部說這要單獨,第八案單獨?沒關係,第八案我在後面再討論啦,好不好?因為稅出這個是我們提出來,但是我必須先利用這個機會再次強調,我在這一次,部長。"},{"start":6326.047,"end":6351.389,"text":"我們之前九樓大禮堂的時候就詢答我們所有的高等這個大學的校長都來的時候我那時候就已經有在質詢說請教過您就說有台大校長帶頭有講是說是不是能夠有可能有所謂的高等教育的前瞻計畫能夠有更積極大家來推廣因為我們看到大學的排行持續的往後退這個也是不爭的事實您過去也從學界過來"},{"start":6352.29,"end":6379.646,"text":"但是我在今年我那時候我也講過就是說因為那時候已經在審理明年的就是說現在的預算了所以你說現在可能來不及但是有沒有那個雄心壯志在明年的時候為高等教育多發聲不是說只是我們高等教育深耕計畫第二期這個200億過去到現在都一直有在做但我們講的其實是更超前的一個部分所以我現在先提出來那這一個部分我先不糾結我們等到後面"},{"start":6380.146,"end":6388.549,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":6407.891,"end":6411.735,"text":"第9案是媒體政策及業務宣導費現在114年所有相關公務預算肺炎基金特別宣導費用"},{"start":6427.771,"end":6443.423,"text":"高達一億三千兩百八十萬那部的部分我們就佔了一半以上我們再來看在111年我們的媒體宣傳費用五千七百多萬三年成長了百分之一百三十一"},{"start":6444.364,"end":6449.97,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":6465.365,"end":6489.364,"text":"希望說教育部能夠做說明一下第一個為什麼我們的這個媒體宣傳達到這麼高131%成長這麼多第二個呢在媒體宣傳嘛我們就希望廣但是呢我們卻發現我們用限制性招標而且窄所以這個好像不太符合宣傳的目標那再者呢我想我們要做宣傳恐怕就是我們有很多的計劃我們有很多新的政策我們要讓大家知道"},{"start":6489.844,"end":6518.988,"text":"當然很重要可是呢就我自己對教育上的了解其實我們從部一個政策或一個計畫來那下面其實我們各司出去了署出去了然後來到各縣市的教育局處那這個局長也好處長也好他們了解了透過公文系統然後透過這個開會說明然後再到學校裡面去老師做有溫度的那下去那甚至於我們還有過去這麼多的輔導團這都是一種宣傳而且其實我覺得更有效"},{"start":6519.768,"end":6534.394,"text":"往上也一樣我們有一些如果是在大學端的一些政策其實我相信其實像葉思野來自大學端那我覺得他其實很多的機制是可以透過這樣的方式做所以我是想是不是能夠說明一下這邊這麼多的媒體宣傳費用是為什麼"},{"start":6536.754,"end":6538.215,"text":"是體育署長要發言嗎?"},{"start":6553.321,"end":6570.236,"text":"採購雖然是限制性招標但它應該是公開評選所以我想大家都是依照政府採購法來做辦理那為什麼114年會增加這麼多的一個媒體宣傳的部分主要也是因為我們在明年的部分我們希望有大力的去推廣整個身心障礙私營體育私營運動還有弱食運動平權特別還有針對我們在"},{"start":6573.579,"end":6598.235,"text":"全民運動整個企業推展職工運動以及提升整個社區全民這些的辦理一些賽事整個規律運動的觀念的宣導的部分那當然還有技職的部分有一些技職教育及職業探索的活動這部分也是占蠻多的一個成長還有一個就是青年署的青年海外圓夢計畫等等的一個宣傳所以這幾個部分都是導致它大量一個"},{"start":6599.095,"end":6601.396,"text":"獲獎獎項目,獲獎項目,獲獎項目,獲獎項目,獲獎項目,獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目獲獎項目"},{"start":6627.54,"end":6643.485,"text":"那這部分是如果萬委員同意的話我們是不是移到後面各科目再討論因為他這個只是整體的加總好OK那就並後面科目處理好謝謝"},{"start":6645.586,"end":6648.409,"text":"第二頁第10至23頁耿如君、葉元之、柯芝恩、萬美玲"},{"start":6674.438,"end":6685,"text":"謝謝召委本席第14案的提案內容是關於教育部的水電費本席特別去查了一下教育部的法定預算112年水電費652萬、113年度漲到818萬、114年度的預算水電費變成了1365萬和2023年112年相比成長率是108%和今年相比是67%"},{"start":6703.744,"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謝謝葛如君委員再來葉元之委員"},{"start":6889.165,"end":6905.256,"text":"我是第17案那第17案是特別費特別費是幹嘛的呢特別費就是拿來請客吃飯然後做一些婚喪喜慶公關用的那為什麼我這邊主張凍結50%因為其他的預算剛剛很多委員都講了"},{"start":6905.996,"end":6915.723,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學校院大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":6936.216,"end":6965.482,"text":"但是一直都沒有剛剛那個斑斑喝鮮奶我在上一次答詢的時候就跟部長講你到時候不要故意忽然間就終止了然後一副好像是因為學校不想喝所以我們就不要不勉強學校喝不是這樣是你們從頭到尾這個政策規劃就非常粗糙造成學校非常大的困擾那你要去解決這個問題而不是說你們不想喝我就不給你喝了我們把學生當什麼把學校當什麼需要你們喝鮮奶的時候就來斑斑喝鮮奶"},{"start":6965.802,"end":6974.206,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學校院校務基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":6990.24,"end":7017.507,"text":"大概有數以萬計的學生在危險的校舍裡面上課那這個部分的預算我不知道為什麼啦我們這一次教育部的編列跟之前的馬政府和蔡政府比起來就差非常多導致我們在地方希望爭取這種校舍改建的時候常常就會用經費不足經費不足經費不足這種理由一直拒絕拒絕拒絕或者是人家明明需要500萬的預算去改建你說我只有給你100萬把學校當作好像好像跟你們乞討一樣"},{"start":7019.048,"end":7037.03,"text":"我不知道為什麼像這個校園安全問題也不願意解決然後另外我們一直針對國中部分校安希望有專職的校安人員因為現在很多輔導組長他們都是兼任的又要備課又要面對這些學生壓力很大希望有專職校安人員也不願意講了半天都不願意"},{"start":7037.711,"end":7062.891,"text":"那你們這些教育政策都不改善情況之下我不知道說你們有什麼臉面可以拿這個特別費然後去花去請客吃飯做公關所以這個我主張凍結50萬這一部分不會影響到任何小朋友的教育支出希望你們可以針對我剛剛講的那些問題提出書面報告然後呢我們也沒有刪就是要求你們去改善然後才能解凍謝謝"},{"start":7064.924,"end":7070.845,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管174年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管174年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管174年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管174年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管174年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管174年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管174年度"},{"start":7090.669,"end":7096.73,"text":"以我們的行政院來說你剛剛說電費是呼應這個我們漲電費的關係可是我怎麼樣去算還是算不出來為什麼113年4月你電價是漲11%然後113年10月電價是漲14%你這種算法來看的話它還不足以變成你現在沒暴增到這個1365萬我覺得這個基底還是要算清楚特別是我們還是"},{"start":7115.874,"end":7125.651,"text":"也很呼應我們的卓榮泰院長強調的全民節約用電,所以這個怎麼樣算法,我覺得這個算法來說沒有辦法說服我,所以這一項裡面我是認為應該是檢列400萬。"},{"start":7131.615,"end":7131.995,"text":"萬美玲委員11、13、16、18、22、23案"},{"start":7147.102,"end":7173.46,"text":"我想也是要必須說明一下就是我們在這一般行政其實就是經費都是一直在暴增但是我們看到例行的事務其實沒有增加這第一個要說明第二個就是我們大家今天都很關心的水電費因為大家都知道現在整個台電的漲幅總共加一加23%左右但我們呢卻可以漲到這66%那剛才葛俊榮在問電到哪裡去我真的也很想問到底是什麼可以增加到這麼多"},{"start":7174.241,"end":7174.341,"text":"第18案"},{"start":7188.247,"end":7217.028,"text":"18案的部分我想我特別在這一個部分去講一下我們在質詢的時候也好平時我們也很關心在校園因害防治的工作那我跟這個教育部其實談過很多次可是呢我們每一次在談這個議題的時候每一次都提到說這是衛福部的事情那事實上其實我們就是在教育現場嘛那衛福部現在有調查我們還有9.5萬名的青少年在使用電子煙、加熱煙等等"},{"start":7217.668,"end":7221.111,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":7233.76,"end":7234.241,"text":"教育部教育部今年"},{"start":7250.976,"end":7277.003,"text":"自己所屬的一些相關機關卻遭到媒體爆料出來不管是我們的海科館、國教署都有一些霸凌的事件或者對人員不合理的對待或相關的訓練其實不到位那出了很多的狀況那造成很多我們教育部相關所屬的員工其實長期都有一些精神上的壓迫以及莫大的工作壓力所以呢我們變成這樣的預算可是看起來我們卻沒有做得很好"},{"start":7277.523,"end":7291.661,"text":"所以我想相關的簡略或者相關的凍結等一下我想我們併案來處理好,謝謝萬美玲委員再來是吳春城,然後等一下陳培與洪孟凱好,我的是第20案,我是針對營養午餐"},{"start":7294.932,"end":7319.569,"text":"那這個剛才是在談那個斑斑有鮮奶奇怪這個教育部不曉得只要碰到吃的都會出問題我覺得這是一個思維的方式不是缺錢的問題教育部是一個經費非常龐大的一個部會3000多億這20年來教育的預算成長了三倍"},{"start":7320.658,"end":7347.441,"text":"從一千多億膨脹到三千多億這麼多的錢在硬體建設上面投入了龐大的經費而且做得是不錯但是遇到這些這些這麼簡單的班班有先來營養午餐營養午餐這個已經韓國日本我們已經比人家落後了多少年三十年了"},{"start":7349.173,"end":7364.673,"text":"人家早就有了我們現在然後還自愛難行然後由各部會、地方政府、權責部依然以協調我覺得這都不是問題這個問題就在於決心不足教育部沒有把這個問題當作重點的"},{"start":7369.138,"end":7385.686,"text":"業務當作重點任務所以都是應付一下、推脫一下然後怎麼樣所以每樣事情都會出問題所以在這裡對於這個營養午餐這部分還是我還提出要凍結100萬那請教一步積極的來改善這個問題謝謝"},{"start":7391.189,"end":7414.878,"text":"好謝謝吳春晨委員再來陳培余委員好謝謝主席我的案子是第21案關於青年扶勤同意書之前有非常多我認為是政策溝通的問題還有教育部其實對於自己相關的法規我認為之前在回應所有委員的質詢的時候真的可以聽得出來你們其實是不熟悉到底青年扶勤這件事情在現階段學校的工作範圍"},{"start":7416.318,"end":7436.995,"text":"同時要搭配災防法、民防法、權動法的部分我也認為你們的溝通其實很大的問題導致於其實非常多錯誤的資訊在家長群組當中流傳那所以這件事情我們希望教育部可以持續的溝通同時要把自己相關的法規範確認清楚預算凍結的部分我們不堅持可以跟其他委員的案子並動"},{"start":7437.976,"end":7457.396,"text":"另外關於我們在21裡面還有提到關於閩南語改為臺灣台語的部分我知道教育部有回應跟課綱無關都做了更正但是我們辦公室還是要找出例如說有很多教學計畫行政命令課程原則其實還有很多都沒有改這個部分要請教育部持續精進那最後提到關於公共出借權的部分"},{"start":7458.257,"end":7484.803,"text":"其實出版這件事情有非常多的事情可以做在教育部這邊我們去年在修國教法的時候我們修了第13條教育部應編列相關預算給學校購買圖書那如果把這個法規範一起合進來看未來還有圖書管法這件事情我認為公共出借權這件事情雖然是文化部的政策可是因為教育部其實有相關工作角色也要請教育部持續緊緊以上謝謝好謝謝陳培委員再來洪孟楷委員發言"},{"start":7490.814,"end":7514.324,"text":"好 謝謝本席是提出第12案那12案其實我重點在於是校園裡面的一個標線的部分有很多尤其是像大專院校或者說一般的學校其實都一樣但是沒有做相關的這個道路維護的品質計畫那也經過教育部這邊來給本席有來做溝通來了解要加強這個"},{"start":7516.475,"end":7543.805,"text":"標限人口蓋施工的標準跟作業程序我們重點在於是說要減少未來如果說在校園內部的道路施工要有一致性的一個標準避免說學生在校園裡面有發生說道安不管是摔車啦等等的一個狀況那教育部也會針對也同意要針對說道路維護管理品質計畫提供給教育委員會所以本席同意這一案第12案可以改列為主決議那但是"},{"start":7545.025,"end":7553.112,"text":"剛剛我們很多的委員已經有提到說在一般行政裡面所謂的這個班班有先來我想在這邊我們一定要先再提一下兩個部分第一啊"},{"start":7554.241,"end":7558.204,"text":"宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用宣傳費用"},{"start":7577.421,"end":7597.995,"text":"所以這一點斑斑有先來的這個政策可以講是說真的就是一個最不好的示範再者剛剛我們委員有提到說是決心不足我自己實地的了解跟我們選區的國中小來了解其實我真的認為我們教育部的官員不只是決心不足更重要是委屈"},{"start":7599.464,"end":7628.704,"text":"讓我們的學生、國中小都變委屈啊因為我們知道說在這個政策裡面其實主導的是農業部農業部為什麼?他可能是因為有鮮乳過剩或照顧弱農的部分但是就來找我們國中小這邊來去做配合來去做買單但完全沒有了解我們第一線的需求到底我們有沒有冰箱有沒有冷鏈設備有沒有足夠的時間去讓他做合理的分配所以才會造成說學生、家長、老師全部大家人仰馬翻過去這兩三個月"},{"start":7629.724,"end":7643.894,"text":"尤其學校有很多的這種家長會交接我們每跑一次聽老師罵一次每跑一次聽家長抱怨一次現在終於從善如流說先喊卡"},{"start":7645.011,"end":7665.804,"text":"我想這一個部分真的要引為戒但是之前有講到說預算今年的預算7億多是由農業部來編列那明年的預算15億本來是之前達旬講是說教育部編一半農業部編一半那我剛剛先私下請教次長次長講是說是行政院在有這個補助計畫"},{"start":7667.665,"end":7692.888,"text":"但我現在提出來因為既然鮮奶斑斑有鮮乳這個政策你現在已經喊卡了明年的預算是用不到的那七億多到底編在哪一個項目裡面要讓我們知道那我想這一個部分我們就要求合理的要求這部分就要先拿掉剛剛因為我們本來也有我請同仁來問是說編在國教署還是編在哪邊還是編在相關的費用還是在行政院"},{"start":7695.607,"end":7716.884,"text":"要確認那如果說是一般性補助的話那我們就會追在行政院的部分這一筆就要先拿掉因為15億也是一個龐大的數目那你去今年10月的時候達旬還在講說明年編列15億農業部一半、教育部一半那你如果說既然你現在正在喊卡的話這15億不用使用的話我們就必須要求拿掉但是還是再次跟部長說"},{"start":7718.789,"end":7746.211,"text":"Focus在本業而不是說委屈有些時候教育部那麼大的一個部會我們有照顧那麼多的國小、國中、高中、家長、學生其他部會也好或是說真的上頭有這種政策導向如果真的讓我們學生、讓我們家長、讓我們老師至愛南弦的地方該勇敢說不部長是大家長應該要勇敢說不以上謝謝好 謝謝洪孟楷委員再來羅廷維委員"},{"start":7752.244,"end":7753.286,"text":"當鮮奶來到學校,老師如同空襲警報。"},{"start":7768.087,"end":7783.874,"text":"我想這個行政相關的一個作為啊造成第一線的老師都非常困擾那我要另外再補充一個事情就是我們現階段呢有遇到許多的家長跟我們抱怨這不是斑斑有鮮奶"},{"start":7784.514,"end":7812.657,"text":"是斑斑有薄酒乳我很納悶我說奇怪家長們你不是選鮮奶嗎他說沒有啊來的就是直接薄酒乳沒得選啊所以我們到底這樣的政策現階段遇到了什麼問題講得鄭天祥講得非常好但是結果實際面操作面不只造成了老師的困擾造成家長的困擾小孩實際也不喜歡喝薄酒乳全部整個一個月下來"},{"start":7813.698,"end":7821.742,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":7832.907,"end":7833.487,"text":"請教育部哪一位回應?"},{"start":7849.253,"end":7868.805,"text":"主席、葛如軍委員、柯志恩委員還有我們萬美玲委員剛剛有關心到我們那個水電費有增加的部分那跟商會委員報告那我們水電費的部分其實我們在107年到我們現在112年的決算數的部分我們的用電度數其實這6年來我們減少了22%"},{"start":7871.627,"end":7881.839,"text":"那雖然我們的費用有增加可是是因為台電有漲還有我們之前預算有編列不足的部分然後我們去做挪用那也跟委員報告齁其實在112年的決算數的電費是"},{"start":7886.684,"end":7902.256,"text":"一千四百三十三萬五千那我們在114年編列的時候我們是編到一千三百多萬其實我們自己也是希望我們能夠持續的我們用電數能夠減少所以我們也是希望說委員可以支持"},{"start":7907.014,"end":7931.05,"text":"委員那個不好意思那個我補充一下因為我們在科技大樓那一邊以前的那個電費管委會的那個費用是包含電費那現在科技大樓那邊他把它們拆出來叫我們電費要另外出所以這是個多出來支出以前是交管委那個管理費的這樣叫包含基本上就科技大樓那邊的電費全部都是我們收的那個可能請秘書處補充這個資料"},{"start":7935.356,"end":7936.021,"text":"次長要請秘書處補充"},{"start":7942.51,"end":7967.836,"text":"如果說是由科技大樓然後拆解出來你要告訴我多少錢因為照你們這種說法你們剛講了老半天我還是算出來啊你生出來1130不會是漲11%1114年是14%你這樣算還是算不出你為什麼要暴增到1360幾萬啊那你如果說是那個科技大樓那是多少這樣才能夠都數字才有辦法都得攏嘛我們還是要把數字都攏啊對不對"},{"start":7969.756,"end":7997.229,"text":"好,剛剛那個葉次長是希望秘書處這邊說明一下,是不是?副處長,杜處長,對不起。報告主席跟委員,有關科技大樓的這個部分,我沒有,這邊手上沒有數據,不過會後我可以補充。大概多少?這邊,因為你暴增很多嘛,所以我們要知道有辦法把數字弄出來。"},{"start":7999.417,"end":8023.266,"text":"因為你暴增非常多引發委員的注意那你除了行政院除了我們要調漲電價這大家都知道都承受這樣的辛苦我們還是知道因為這數字要兜攏我們才知道這筆費用需不需要被減劣啊好不好趕快調出來剛剛那個杜處長說那個會後補充或者等一下那個中午休息的時候可以準備一下再來是那個署長要發言嗎彭署長"},{"start":8027.664,"end":8046.619,"text":"委員提到有幾個政策事實上簡單的跟委員回報一下113年教育部沒有編班班等等的預算那宣導也如冠委員、洪委員所提這不會用"},{"start":8048.161,"end":8071.041,"text":"電視廣告、什麼廣告去講他通常都用公文說農業部有這個政策大家一起合作之下請大家在工作的過程中可以上網點選大概只有這樣他不會有那個預算才去做宣傳那至於新的政策會變成農業部的錢去輔導弱農因為原來就是弱農需要協助所以他會去針對他來協助"},{"start":8072.682,"end":8091.327,"text":"至於孩子鈣不足的這個問題我們可以從教育部有公布的學校午餐食物內容及營養基準來讓孩子取得鈣的這個方法更多元以及在午餐內可以處理不一定只用喝牛乳的方式所以"},{"start":8093.255,"end":8103.483,"text":"這個不是今天要討論的吧?對,所以不是要討論的,我就直接,剛剛有回宣傳,我們會用公文,不會是用到這個錢。彭署長就簡短回應就好。好,那至於其他像剛剛講到,"},{"start":8106.36,"end":8130.225,"text":"五十年老舊教室這一個已經有跟行政院爭取350億那這樣的一個處理我們會持續跟地方一直來努力至於校安經費剛剛葉委員追尋到的校安經費大概這兩週內就會確定了已經在跟地方政府開過兩次會部長也已經拍板方向確定我們會來跟地方政府一起來協助尤其校安剛剛您講的校安專職"},{"start":8131.725,"end":8141.352,"text":"國中校園專職人員的部分這兩週就會確定部長已經在整體方向都拍板了我們把細節簽清楚地方已經跟他開過兩次會那另外"},{"start":8142.369,"end":8146.472,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":8172.629,"end":8188.102,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位"},{"start":8198.297,"end":8212.256,"text":"委員提到說班班這相關的114年的錢農業部的錢會用於輔導弱農教育部的錢沒有編列它原來就會由行政院做一些處置以上補充完畢 謝謝好 那教育部這邊還有沒有什麼要說明的好 這裡"},{"start":8213.721,"end":8235.77,"text":"公務委員報告就是人事處這邊說明就是剛剛萬委員有提到職場霸凌的這個精進措施的部分那事實上相關的這些事件包括目前行政院有相關的指示所以教育部已經完成檢討教育部員工職場霸凌防治及處理作業要點我們已經完成修訂了然後包括相關的機制都有強化本來就有要點我們在精進包括我們把"},{"start":8236.73,"end":8243.233,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":8254.819,"end":8276.335,"text":"調查的案件不管是從跟我們部裡面提出的申訴或者是人事行政總署的這個通報平台收到的案子我們都會根據這個案件的性質我們根據我們的作業要點來做相關的調查還有相關的處置措施以上你越講我又越講糊塗了你說外部委員外部委員教育部身為教育部你們現在才有外部委員本來就有然後呢你的基金在哪裡"},{"start":8276.775,"end":8298.394,"text":"我們現在是有明定就是說我們的外部委員一定是要占多數一定要占所有的外部委員絕對都是多數在過去學校的性平法裡面的外部委員全部是甚至是學教育部本來是利益相關單位本來就不會是委員啊所以你們教育部在說什麼你這樣一講我很驚訝那你們以前怎麼調查霸凌的"},{"start":8299.555,"end":8323.146,"text":"過去其實我們也都是以外部委員為主那你現在精進在哪裡那我們是在要點裡面更把它做一個詳細的你給我看一下你們的要點好不好你們現在一講我開始不講還好一講我又開始有點問題了原來人事總署沒有講得那麼清楚外部要過半但是性平的都是有要求所以教育部他剛意思說他本來就已經有外部委員了"},{"start":8323.826,"end":8350.708,"text":"所以不好意思因為我22案的地方就是其實剛剛回答我覺得不清不楚嘛因為呢我看不出來這個要點如果是更精進的修訂但我不知道跟以前有什麼差別那第二個是因為在這一案當中其實我特別舉出了兩個例子但是教育部其實還沒有回答說那這兩個例子到底只是調查的結果現在是什麼情況那也沒有講那後續是什麼能不能說明一下"},{"start":8352.008,"end":8373.059,"text":"好,這個人事這邊請再說明,處長,王處長。是,是,跟委員報告,就是有關海科館館長的這個職長罷免的部分,我們已經完成了調查,那已經有成立。那包括館長的部分,我們已經有調任非主管的職務,已經調離了現職。那另外懲處的部分,我們也根據調查小組的建議,我們是已經有記憶大過處分,這個也已經核定了。"},{"start":8374.58,"end":8393.881,"text":"關於管裡面同仁的這些輔導包括我們員工協助方案的這個協助還有提供諮商的資源這個部分我們也都持續跟海科管的同仁在做宣導還有在做提供相關的資源來協助那至於那個至於國教署的部分事實上相關的部分也已經在進行調查中"},{"start":8395.393,"end":8395.894,"text":"海科館、高雄科工館"},{"start":8413.05,"end":8441.547,"text":"二分之一以上那之前沒有你難怪之前沒有到這個層面以上你說這樣才在二分之一耶一般來說就是外部學者專家都是應該占全數耶內部裡面完全不應該是有的所以也難怪過去這幾個案子為什麼拖延這麼久你得到的結論都沒有辦法說服真正被霸凌的這個這樣的一個當事者這已經是鬧到社會版面的時候才讓教育部真的我覺得有點蒙羞就我今天看到你的這個修正要點裡面"},{"start":8442.367,"end":8463.001,"text":"第四大典裡面外部學者專家應佔二分之以上。天啊那以前沒有在二分之以上嗎?以前是在什麼?在我們修訂之前海科管的案子三個調查的委員都是外聘的委員。我們實際上就是這樣做的。那你幹嘛要二分之一?那你就全部啊。你告訴我這是精進版,然後精進版應佔二分之以上。"},{"start":8463.962,"end":8469.866,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":8486.704,"end":8506.001,"text":"我這裡補充一下真的是越講越模糊因為剛才我們針對我提22案的這個部分呢您的意思是說我們已經有修正了相關職場上的霸凌防治的作業要點更精進的去修訂了那所以我們拿來這一看第一個沒有精進但你交出來的資料其實是不對的"},{"start":8506.561,"end":8523.715,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立"},{"start":8524.395,"end":8543.777,"text":"不太接受這樣的說法不好意思因為這題我也研究過教育部真的有經檢你要搞人事總署大齡相關規定的話沒有規定要二分之一那就是算性平的話其實也會希望還是有校內人那跟所謂的行為員沒有利害相關性因為他要了解那個內部的脈絡"},{"start":8544.958,"end":8567.754,"text":"所以教育部這個跟人事總部比起來是有精進不然大家等一下休息時間找出來比對一下報告教委我覺得是這樣子的因為現在我們是在審教育部的預算那教育部發生了這樣的事情教育單位所以他現在是要跟他自己去做比較他說他有精進這個要點所以我們是要跟他做比較這樣子的比較才是對的"},{"start":8568.755,"end":8583.611,"text":"所以其實沒有精進啊而且不但沒有精進他說上一次海科館的事情他們三個調查委員全部都是外部的那結果送出來的東西還倒退說我們要改二分之一那也就是說如果再發生這樣的事情那三個我只要有兩個這樣的意思嗎"},{"start":8586.012,"end":8613.24,"text":"以上嘛但是這一次海科館的事件他是全部嘛所以其實這要點沒有經濟那我是覺得要跟教育部要跟教育部自己來做比較謝謝委員的指教我補充一下那個專業小組的部分大概就是三位啦因為呢可能會受那個被申訴的那個霸凌人的部分的話他可能會是包含的是基層的同仁也有可能是主管那我們目前對於主管以上包含像館長的部分"},{"start":8613.78,"end":8617.701,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":8639.667,"end":8657.669,"text":"全部叫做百分之百?三分之二是三分之二?二分之一是二分之一?那我剛剛講的調查小組的部分就是三位啦剛剛提到的就是針對主管的部分的話二分之以上的話我們大概就是現在目前三個我們全部都是外聘啦"},{"start":8659.249,"end":8659.53,"text":"吳佩儀委員、葛如軍委員"},{"start":8688.953,"end":8709.344,"text":"好,謝謝昭偉。我要關心的也是17案應援職委員的提案,因為之前我也跟教育部反映過,就是你們的老舊校舍的補助地方政府的補強或者是拆建,我覺得這個進度都太慢了。那尤其是我們台北市,因為台北市50年以上老舊校舍全台灣數量最多的。"},{"start":8709.824,"end":8734.691,"text":"那過去我們在議會甚至統計過如果全部要完成的話可能要超過40年那所以我要問的是因為我們過去6年一般性補助大概投了總共大概是500億的經費那未來我們現在除了一般性的補助給地方政府之外因為如果我們希望你們加快速度你們有沒有另外去跟行政院申請公件這個有沒有那總共經費大約多少"},{"start":8735.131,"end":8756.616,"text":"那因為我們現在很多教長在跟我們關注的是擔心才化法修正之後中央的預算如果減少了3000多億會不會影響到我們老舊校舍改建這個部分因為其實我們只是中央跟地方的比例劃分的問題我希望教育部未來要去跟行政院爭取我們針對老舊校舍的改建總體的這個補助的經費不能減少"},{"start":8760.177,"end":8783.073,"text":"你可能比如說地方政府如果他未來劃分是增加了多一點那就是你們配合比例的問題之中跟地方加起來這個老舊校車改建的經費絕對不能減少因為我們速度只能加快這一點我希望等會教育部可以來回應那就預算方面我的建議是因為這一幕的項目非常的多我們是不是就用並動等會請召委一起來處理好謝謝"},{"start":8787.745,"end":8816.035,"text":"好,那個葛瑜君委員好,謝謝非常感謝教育部的官員在聖誕節來這邊但是我想我還是必須為民眾表達非常嚴正的抗議我覺得教育部作為教育整體環境的主管機關你們的預算也真的不低但是從剛剛我們的很多對話裡我們感覺到的是教育部的官員只說沒有很用心的在聽"},{"start":8817.916,"end":8835.637,"text":"電費的問題其實你們自己也講了我們所有人都知道我們台積電這麼努力這麼多工程師從7奈米、5奈米、3奈米到2奈米所有的電器就是越來越省電當然它的效能會提高可是它會一直往一個更好的方向走"},{"start":8836.238,"end":8841.403,"text":"教育部主管114年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管114年度教育部主管114年度"},{"start":8857.338,"end":8881.914,"text":"我們我自己這一個第19案這個是你們的政策溝通的預算溝通是不只是單向的傳播不只是講也要聽不只是講也要聽我想也許教育部的官員過去可能有很多是教學教育的經驗可是就算在第一線教學我們也要聽學生的反饋"},{"start":8883.208,"end":8903.825,"text":"但是我的感覺是所有的官員來到這邊在教育部裡面好像只講比如說剛剛我們在講說這個斑斑有鮮奶我講的是這個教育政策推行了三個月你們花了多少的溝通成本這個東西其實對於明子明高來講就是一種浪費應該要予以檢討"},{"start":8907.12,"end":8928.255,"text":"結果我們得到的回應竟然是斑斑有鮮奶沒有花到溝通的費用只用一紙公文來通知所以我們沒有花到溝通的費用沒有浪費請大家不用擔心真的是這樣嗎然後再講說斑斑有鮮奶的執行成效我們沒有人要管你你已經根本就是一個取消的政策了所以我想"},{"start":8929.136,"end":8946.214,"text":"這個是一定要讓我們了解清楚的我們認為溝通就是必須要雙向如果教育部的官員平常執行是這樣的態度對於我們的一線的學校也是這樣的態度到預算這裡了還是這樣的態度我真的不知道我們今天要審到什麼狀況"},{"start":8947.495,"end":8967.497,"text":"我很可能就是我們是不是就都不要動了我們乾脆全部刪掉好了你既然都一紙公文嘛你一紙公文一個班班有先來這麼人妖馬翻的政策你跟我說一紙公文所以這一點我們表達為全民表達非常嚴正的抗議即便我現在在這裡大聲疾呼的時候我都不確定有多少官員在聽啊謝謝"},{"start":8969.139,"end":8991.384,"text":"那個周偉提醒大家喔那個斑斑有現在大家很關心但是現在因為這裡的預算沒有直接相關大家改天可以質詢的說或者什麼再來那個大檢討好不好要不然我們會講不完那個明年是不是又要來一個什麼斑斑有跑鞋那個電費這是溝通的問題嘛那個電費的部分這是溝通文宣啊那個好"},{"start":8995.126,"end":9004.896,"text":"主席、各位委員剛剛委員有質詢到科技大樓的部分它的電費今年的今年度的電費的話是676萬那我們113年到114年我們是增編了578萬其實剛好填補了科技大樓的這個還有"},{"start":9015.246,"end":9038.644,"text":"我們自己還有減劣本來那個676萬是在那個管理費裡面那現在變成他分離說變電費所以電費支出我們增加676萬但是我們增劣預算只有578萬也就是我們因為還有更省電所以才從676萬只減只增加580萬我想這個地方可能讓我也知道我們不是多用電這個是這個原因謝謝次長說明我補充一下我想既然是科技大樓"},{"start":9039.124,"end":9061.227,"text":"我們希望持續精進,用更科技的方式來節電,不是只是電一直發出去啦,現在有很多新的做法好不好,謝謝。我們整體的電是往下降的。我想我們那個第一幕已經討論很久了,大家看一下現在11點鐘齁,我們23案還沒有討論完,我想大家並不希望今天討論到晚上12點,或是明天討論到晚上12點嘛,所以我們,是不是第一幕我們就..."},{"start":9063.68,"end":9064.78,"text":"主席主席主席主席"},{"start":9083.035,"end":9093.179,"text":"有哪位委員要提案?一般行政第10到23案我們一起處理好嗎?"},{"start":9108.763,"end":9114.847,"text":"議員議員提案動1000萬,第10目到23目。議員提案動1000萬,第10目到23目。議員提案動1000萬,第10目到23目"},{"start":9131.088,"end":9137.856,"text":"第10案到23案李議員提議動1000萬對我們整個一起並動剛剛 報告召委剛剛洪孟凱委員有支持我的部分是凍結五分之一謝謝 第19案第19 凍結五分之一變一億了"},{"start":9151.135,"end":9152.556,"text":"委員會建議整個病棟1億、零一警委員提1000萬"},{"start":9172.998,"end":9192.21,"text":"有沒有人有其他的意見?沒有的話教育部是不是可以回覆?我那個凍結50萬,可不可以加上去?我們就一起,我們這整個一起不要動。不要一起啦,我知道病動,但是問題是其他們都不怕啊。我覺得凍特別費比較有用啊。因為書面報告他不滿意,你整個都可以不要解控。不是,他,我跟你講啦。"},{"start":9192.79,"end":9212.852,"text":"他到時候會把那個凍結的分到其他項目啊特別費他們用好用滿啊我現在就是針對特別費部分嘛吃喝玩樂那麼開心然後教育政策都不處理沒有啊,教育部沒有什麼吃喝玩樂特別開心你看斑斑喝鮮奶這個大家在立法院質詢過多少次有沒有改善最後無疾而終耶這樣大家能夠接受嗎"},{"start":9214.173,"end":9234.58,"text":"那個葉次長要回應嗎?沒有,好,林次長建議啦,謝謝各位的指教啦,反正該改進的部分我們會去做一些持續的精進啦那針對這個科目,往日大概都是以科目為單位去動啦我們建議是不是就是動一千萬啦那個林次長還是希望動一千萬啦,好不好"},{"start":9235.92,"end":9247.746,"text":"他還是沒有解決我的問題嘛我們現在我的邏輯就是說剛剛大家都很多批評不然不會討論那麼久嘛可是你批評他他還是一樣啊公關照吃啊搞不好又亂用他不會痛啦特別費就是嘛"},{"start":9250.287,"end":9255.054,"text":"所以他不會痛嗎?他不會痛,不是,我跟你講,不是,我跟你講,你說捅洞的話,他一定就把洞的項目分到別的項目去了。我現在捅洞OK,但是我這一項我要求他在洞的時候必須要有金額在這邊,50萬。"},{"start":9267.697,"end":9285.67,"text":"每次都一皮天下無難事因為我們這樣待會會很難處理因為我支持你的數字嘛但是你剛剛也講了嘛因為他到時候要解凍的時候他會說明每一個項目我只是說你的數字裡面他要把我那個項目特別說這個部分要凍多少嘛"},{"start":9286.09,"end":9301.822,"text":"這沒有超過你的項目沒有超過你的金額因為這樣子我們有400多案現在才到23案齁如果每個委員都要表達他對某一樣特別堅持的話我們真的今天明天都要到晚上12點了沒有沒有沒有我沒有堅持就是你比如說你剛講1000萬嘛或是3000萬3000萬裡面現在是1億"},{"start":9307.882,"end":9320.925,"text":"現在比如說葛如君一億嘛然後有一千萬的有三千萬我只是說不是我都還沒講完為什麼剛剛大家講半天都可以我講一下就說別人要講了為什麼 趙偉我是比較細寒是不是沒有不是剛剛我舉手大家講半天我也是讓大家講完都還沒講然後那為什麼對我講就說他也舉手他也舉手那剛剛其他委員講的時間是我幾百倍你為什麼不講"},{"start":9337.657,"end":9343.503,"text":"那你現在繼續講不是啦我覺得你要公平啦我跟你講上次我還稱讚你我說你是最認真審預算的我還稱讚你"},{"start":9346.209,"end":9366.799,"text":"對阿繼續繼續所以我堅持的點是說因為我的邏輯是我覺得他們這些東西每次在質詢的時候建議什麼都跟你打馬虎眼然後愛理不理的然後審預算的時候他們又情緒勒索就是說欸這個預算很重要那個預算很重要這個用在學校那個用在學校都不能夠動不能夠刪OK那特別費可以吧"},{"start":9367.859,"end":9391.967,"text":"所以我堅持啦你統統OK1000萬OK但是其中一定要把我的這項列出來比如說這項50萬要列出來到底到時候要怎麼解凍要提出一個它整體的書面報告出來可不可以 羅廷偉支持一下等一下 羅廷偉支持一下林怡瑾先然後張雅玲齁林怡瑾然後等一下張雅玲觀眾招委好嗎我剛剛已經舉手了林怡瑾委員之後然後張雅玲委員"},{"start":9395.646,"end":9411.654,"text":"每個單位都有一些首長的特別費特別費應該是部長跟次長一起的特別費部長跟兩個次長一起的特別費一年也才一百出頭萬"},{"start":9415.377,"end":9434.535,"text":"數字其實不多啦那這些其實我覺得也不能這樣純粹說他們吃喝玩樂用一定有一些特別的費用需要去處理那不然貴市新北市長就沒有特別費嗎對不對我們每個縣市首長都有特別費所以我是"},{"start":9435.496,"end":9450.545,"text":"所以我覺得不要再這個枝枝節節去我們教育預算可能要就我們學生的這個受教權啊就教育預算的分配來做處理可能會比較妥適啦我覺得堅持這個沒有意思啦好不好"},{"start":9452.126,"end":9453.367,"text":"張雅琳委員、待會兒洪孟凱、吳佩穎"},{"start":9478.137,"end":9495.123,"text":"主席每一個委員提案都是辦公室已經做過研究跟討論那我相信每個委員也都有給時間給我們教育部的同仁來說明所以只要合理的說明聽過我們覺得合理也解決我們的疑慮我們該減少凍結或說改組決議我們委員也都有處理"},{"start":9501.007,"end":9518.707,"text":"但是就是因為有一些說明完畢之後確實還是沒有癥結點沒有解決到這個問題或者是真的有摯愛難情之處或是真的答詢不清之處所以我們才在這邊再來做討論那每一個委員的意見也都非常的寶貴因為這是各辦公室大家共同集結的"},{"start":9519.688,"end":9535.076,"text":"所以沒有說什麼之前慣例一個幕大家統一處理然後就統一處理如果說今天個別委員有個別委員的堅持或個別委員的意見的話那當然要尊重那如果說真的沒有辦法的話那就保留送協商"},{"start":9536.107,"end":9565.149,"text":"就這麼簡單我覺得如果我們教育文化委員會過去到現在也講說不常來表決那沒有問題不用表決但保留送協商但是不要癥結到說一個委員提出來意見之後其他委員互相好像在做這個政治攻防我覺得沒有意思業人之委員提的有沒有道理我覺得某種程度上有道理啊特別費的部分既然是特別費就是給部長來做使用那部長你應該要說明是過去用在哪些項目明細拿出來"},{"start":9566.57,"end":9579.866,"text":"如果說你說三節送禮可以啊本來也就有這種往例嘛如果說其他部會有這樣做的話我們不會是說教育部特別不能用那但是你說明清楚我們再來做後續的做法"},{"start":9580.885,"end":9603.784,"text":"但是我比較不支持到最後你還要做一個所謂的這個全部凍結然後結果那個報告裡面寫出來給院資委員那院資我跟你說啊他們會怎麼操作我都已經想到了明年要解凍的時候他還是寫的不清不楚或說這個部分你還是沒有辦法滿意你這一筆只有一百多萬啊你只凍結50%只有50萬啊"},{"start":9605.706,"end":9629.634,"text":"但是你如果說不滿意這報告的話幾千幾億的案子幾千萬的凍結全都算在你頭上啊就是說葉元智一個人又擋了幾千萬又擋了幾億啊這絕對承擔不起啊我覺得這也沒有必要這樣子做所以如果說有委員要求是說他個別的部分應該要說獨立出來凍結的話我覺得某種程度上也應該要考慮啊那如果說真的沒有辦法的話那"},{"start":9631.174,"end":9644.37,"text":"統三、統動、個別三、個別動這本來就是每個委員的權利那如果說教育部門可以說明清楚我覺得就說明清楚如果真的沒有辦法在現場沒有辦法接受的話那我們也是保留送協商"},{"start":9645.581,"end":9668.915,"text":"就這麼簡單所以議員之委員剛剛提到的如果說真的有個別的一個部分的話請部長等一下說明如果說真的議員之委員還是沒有辦法接受的話那該個別處理請個別處理我們也不用糾結在這邊其實大家時間也都很寶貴沒有必要為了糾結一個50萬、100多萬的一個預算然後到最後我們教育部總共今天光稅出1800億"},{"start":9672.85,"end":9689.765,"text":"我後面還有好多案子我也需要再討論以上謝謝吳佩儀委員剛剛前面委員的發言其實我都沒有什麼太大的意見只是我會希望說因為剛剛在前一幕在討論預算的時候原先我也是要求主張第6案大陸地區旅費應該要獨立出來來凍結"},{"start":9695.089,"end":9720.255,"text":"但是後來大家的共識是說是沒有這樣單獨一案凍結所以在前面一個結論是總共是五千萬再加上75萬五千元所以我是希望說確實會議不是說什麼去年過去慣例如何現在就要如何但是就我們單一次會議每一幕的原則是不是應該要統一不然我們有這麼多的案子這個後面我會"},{"start":9721.095,"end":9727.079,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":9747.438,"end":9760.167,"text":"教育部我所理解我也非常感謝潘部長是有溫度的人部長的特資會一個月3萬多然後這裡邊就每個月固定"},{"start":9765.625,"end":9791.824,"text":"從我消歸潮水我覺得潘部長是有溫度的他對兩位司機因為公務他們有時候早上這個晚上所以固定每個月給2500算是一個額外給他們的一個支持然後我們的服務員一個我們稱的服務員或者所謂的公友"},{"start":9792.998,"end":9800.306,"text":"每個月額外再給他加2500也就是說三個人就每個月7500就"},{"start":9802.096,"end":9823.15,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":9827.216,"end":9843.561,"text":"這一個部裡面的同仁我其實不太願意回運市大部分是我自己掏腰包連我現在所有的公務行程我高鐵票、我工作會什麼加這個都沒有我只有報"},{"start":9845.26,"end":9867.993,"text":"這一個所謂的高鐵票所以我其實各位也可以去看在中山大學我一路來來到台北開會我只有報基本上報高鐵票其他所以我其實不太願意去講那是我個人的一個處事風格我希望在我個人的一個操守方面是不容讓人家挑戰的"},{"start":9868.593,"end":9887.639,"text":"所以吃吃喝特別這年頭很多人已經夠忙了其實對吃喝還得要看人家面子願意不願意賣給你所以基本上吃喝的一個文化我認為在當下已經越來越減少了都是來自一個比較"},{"start":9888.539,"end":9915.608,"text":"工作上業務上必須要的許多的包含有一些大學校長來這個到部裡邊的洽工我們簡單的甚至有一些我就直接只有在部長室裡邊吃便當所以我在想我們都很多的在座各位也都在大學裡邊我們當然有好朋友的情誼一定有的但是吃喝文化我的觀察臺灣其實慢慢在"},{"start":9916.587,"end":9927.532,"text":"在市委那也感謝葉委員的提醒我覺得這對我們來講是有一個提醒跟鞭策的一個作用我們會來努力來督斥自己謝謝"},{"start":9928.868,"end":9957.6,"text":"好謝謝部長說明那次長是不是簡要說明也跟葉委員報告基本上我的特資費一個月一萬九萬我每次就是給司機一個人兩千的費用這樣子那包括其他的錢通常都用在說因為我們現在我自己這邊比較做高價還有這些跟外面連結的一些政策那其實我們需要找很多業界的專家都通常業界都要上班的時間通常他們沒有辦法過來我們通常就只能約說那吃飯的時候吃上他的意見那其實都是"},{"start":9958.42,"end":9979.75,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學"},{"start":9987.473,"end":10012.706,"text":"這個我們隨時都在被檢驗,隨時也被我們的同仁在檢驗,其實我們都不敢把它用在車玩了。我報告比較精確的數字,一年我的那個特資費大概是20萬出頭,那剛剛提到我跟部長跟幾位市長都一樣,兩個司機一個月給兩千,所以大概一年大概就五萬塊,就是給這個司機,就第一個。"},{"start":10013.406,"end":10018.831,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":10037.907,"end":10044.191,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案"},{"start":10056.513,"end":10084.067,"text":"好 其實我想這個委員 葉委員所提出這個特別費的所以就是因為剛剛聽到不管是有關於司機2500或者是你們的服務員也就是公有的部分2500所以他自始至終他沒有說刪除阿他說凍結50%阿那目的也是希望能夠讓教育部更加督促最重要的是所有的經費我們現在看到的是每一次我們在爭取不管是老舊校舍說沒有經費不管是所謂的廁所"},{"start":10085.368,"end":10100.319,"text":"老舊的一些問題我們要爭取的時候也都說沒有經費所以我們希望透過這一案來做一個督促那當然他不叫做玩樂但是的確從項目上來說他有關係到吃喝並不會直接去影響到學生"},{"start":10100.979,"end":10125.913,"text":"那在凍結的過程我們更擔心會不會影響到學生的權益但目前看到的是他所使用到的是婚喪喜慶、獎犒賞、慰勞、餐敘的部分所以我覺得凍結還是再一次強調不是洪水猛獸你可以做一個報告讓我們能夠清楚它用在哪裡每一筆錢我們安心以後就可以使得凍之所以我想這個部分不需要去糾結我們還有更多的選項要去更重要去探討"},{"start":10127.247,"end":10153.501,"text":"好 葉仁芝委員 這個我們就最後一位發言我們等一下就處理了齁我報告召委 我是來打原場的啦因為我們剛剛看到部長今天其實蠻累的那剛剛又很心疼啦 就看到部長這樣又解釋這麼多那這個我們也不想要聽到部長這樣掏腰包我們立院辦公室是沒有特別費的 所以這個真的是掏腰包這個給部長好好的打起精神來啦"},{"start":10154.622,"end":10174.453,"text":"那好好思考一下我想剛剛委員們講的都有道理那我想這個這個希望您好好考慮一下我們是不是1800億的案子該邊境預算的就邊境預算如果凍結趕快解釋就可以過了是不是我們就可以讓部長早點休息我們不要太晚我是來打原廠的謝謝"},{"start":10176.695,"end":10181.338,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":10202.191,"end":10208.594,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":10219.139,"end":10244.486,"text":"我們今天可以我們今天可以說尊重但是如果他們還是這樣態度我們等一下對高校或是對哪一個大家再繼續處理好不好其他就會落入剛剛講的一個困境就是說這個錢是用在學校這錢是用在哪裡議員、志委我們剛剛都說一千萬了那是不是除非你要提不同的數字不然我們就一千萬了好不好OK好那就凍結一千萬"},{"start":10246.443,"end":10273.961,"text":"是業員之委員的原廠不是我的部分啊對啊我的部分是一億喔對啊所以我們現在不是一千萬要沒有沒有我從頭到尾都是說而且我要跟召委報告我跟各位報告跟分享我們剛剛講政策的溝通明明就是有花錢在這些政策推廣上面什麼公民素養啦、數位素養啦、雙語政策啦、斑斑有鮮奶"},{"start":10274.841,"end":10279.203,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":10306.348,"end":10315.014,"text":"那個萬美玲委員我的那個18案剛才那個國教署也有說明的很清楚那我這樣我改組決議"},{"start":10316.812,"end":10317.853,"text":"第12案改組決議18案"},{"start":10753.308,"end":10753.753,"text":"教育部教育部長"},{"start":11147.475,"end":11171.253,"text":"好 那我們現在繼續處理第二幕高等教育那我們先分成24案到75案先第一節先24案到75案一起處理那這個部分因為大家幾乎都有我們就按照順序先從郭育晴那邊倒過來好嗎如果沒有的就跳過去這樣就不用記了好 郭育晴委員先"},{"start":11178.698,"end":11204.458,"text":"第二幕的部分我的是40、51、83跟85那在第40的部分我想主要是108課綱在推行的時候其實還是仍然缺乏跟社會的一個溝通導致不管是學生也好、校方也好或者是家長也好其實都有一些焦慮那對弱勢的學生其實更是支持不夠"},{"start":11205.279,"end":11210.544,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":11225.779,"end":11232.061,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立"},{"start":11243.545,"end":11267.817,"text":"還是要符合現在教育現場的一個需求這是第40案那在第51案的部分這個部分我沒有特別堅持但是就是像之前這個臺大太子學社他們就是在講這個宿舍的這個租金是提高的其實很多學生其實也是喊著吃不消所以這個部分我想還是要再特別的就是"},{"start":11269.278,"end":11269.438,"text":"陳秀寶委員"},{"start":11290.976,"end":11304.766,"text":"在這部分裡面我的案子有5個案子是33、39、44、52跟74那33案的部分是關於我們高教的行政督導"},{"start":11307.087,"end":11332.794,"text":"因為在113年10月的時候英國泰晤士高等教育特刊有公布世界大學排名那臺灣大學的排名在第172比上個年度退步了20名雖然說世界大學的排名不是大學辦學的主要業務但是如果我們排名降低的話比較不利於說大學來吸引這些優秀的國際人才所以這邊也希望教育部你們要通盤檢討我國大學排名衰退的這個原因"},{"start":11334.625,"end":11353.343,"text":"大學的排名指標會以國際期韓法表書論、研究聲量及平均被引用次數及師生比作為相關指標。這些指標都有助於大學提升參與國際學術活動及提高學術研究專業。教育部有說明,臺灣大學世界排名下降,但入榜校數有增加趨勢。"},{"start":11355.104,"end":11379.539,"text":"這個部分本身還是希望教育部可以在我們可以努力的項目上例如說師生筆的部分來做改善盡可能加強我國教育就是在這個大學在世界排名的這個評比有助於這個吸引國際人才這個部分本來我提動的金額是500萬我沒有堅持要這個金額但是要跟其他的可以跟其他委員一起來討論但是我是很堅持說這個要動那第39案的部分呢也是一樣是"},{"start":11381.018,"end":11400.472,"text":"高等教育行政及督導推動及改進大學招生制度這幾年學測辦理狀況不好傳出影響考生的寢室發生影響考生的權益甚至影響他們的心情現在考生在考試之前都擔心今年的考試會不會又有什麼狀況"},{"start":11402.594,"end":11414.74,"text":"教育部監督大考中心謹慎辦理相關考試事宜,落實通盤檢討,尤其是監事人員培訓也很重要。教育部雖然有說明將會精進密題方向,強化相關事務作業流程標準,"},{"start":11420.683,"end":11449.381,"text":"但是因為學測時間快到了我也希望說教育部再盯緊一點那這個案子呢一樣就是說本來提動的金額是500萬我們要堅持一定要動到500那是跟其他的案子一起來討論那也希望說明年的這個學測的辦理的狀況呢我們應該要有一個這個相關的這個落實這個辦理的這個部分來做一個指標那接下來的44案是"},{"start":11451.652,"end":11471.347,"text":"44案、52案、73案其實教育部你們都有來溝通過這次三個案子我改成主決議但是我要要求就是說對於我們的AI科技人才的相關的智慧學程的聯盟這個業務我是希望說我們在督促大專校院學生要具備基本的AI素養的部分"},{"start":11472.328,"end":11491.3,"text":"是不是教育部這邊你們等一下的簡單的說明一下現在有沒有規劃相關的基礎AI課程讓學生來選讀那52案的部分就是對於我們的國際人才培育的這個業務我也希望說你們提供我們辦公室這邊一份報告那還有第74案的部分"},{"start":11492.712,"end":11511.417,"text":"這個案子本席在諮詢的時候有諮詢過我是希望說教育部這邊你們要積極幫你關於AI學成聯盟的這個部分那也希望你們也要提供你們未來關於AI學成聯盟的規劃以及參與校數以及預計選修學生的人數一份資料給本席以上 謝謝好 謝謝再來請張雅玲委員好 我的案是61跟68"},{"start":11521.826,"end":11543.171,"text":"那61案我簡單說明一下就是說教育部推動這個新世代學生住宿環境提升計劃雖然編列了7億零800萬的預算卻面臨執行效果不彰的問題那到112年底執行率只有29.2%特別是校外新辦學生社會住宅空床補助的執行率只有到1.68%"},{"start":11546.031,"end":11563.936,"text":"政策與需求脫節,學校宿舍供需失衡,部分學校住宿比率低於五成,需要床位供應。教育部由來,我們辦公室溝通,提到會持續不定期辦理全島講習,並透過大型主管會議宣導。"},{"start":11567.117,"end":11585.148,"text":"但是我認為這樣還是不夠遠遠不足教育部必須正式執行的問題所以我要求教育部3個月內提交報告明確的告訴我們這個改善計畫和具體的時程那也納入這個學生代表的意見確保我們的住宿費用合理保障學生的權益這是那"},{"start":11586.488,"end":11600.755,"text":"我同意在這個科目之下和其他的委員併案處理那68案是針對於說114年教育部有一個引導學校多元發展及提升教育品質的一個專案那邊列了預算155億多"},{"start":11602.876,"end":11624.67,"text":"那需要說形塑具備明確定位及特色之大學培育符合未來需求及國家發展的人才但是因為資源分配不均、跨領域發展不足以及執行效率的問題部分學校在資訊科學以及人文連結、國際化支持等等領域上面還是有發展延遲的問題所以我們才提出這樣子的案子"},{"start":11625.546,"end":11652.332,"text":"那雖然教育部有來說明說他會納入高等教育生跟計畫來持續推動但是實際的做法和未來定立的目標值還是沒有清楚的說明那我自己發現教育部在定這個做法的時候都沒有一個很不僅是這個案子有個通案的狀況都是沒有明確的目標所以其實我們有時候很難去監督所以希望這個教育部可以針對這一點來做個說明謝謝那在這個案子如果清楚說明之後我可以跟其他委員並然處理謝謝"},{"start":11653.672,"end":11656.037,"text":"好 謝謝張雅玲委員再來是吳佩儀委員"},{"start":11661.158,"end":11684.669,"text":"我的提案24案因為教育部已經來跟我說明所以我就不簡略凍結金額改成併動但我要再次的提醒教育部、高教師跟記職師也就是關於我們大專院校開設性別議題相關的課程你目前的關鍵字計算的關鍵字只有兩性性別男性女性及性教育"},{"start":11685.449,"end":11696.094,"text":"未來一定要加入更多元指標,包括親密關係、情感教育、多元平權、酷兒、LGBTQ等等。這是很簡單的統計,教育部有承諾會改善。第二十五案是關於大學的社會責任"},{"start":11707.759,"end":11714.042,"text":"我是希望說我們跟社區的連結可以再增加在教育部給我的說明裡面你們過去其實推動成效是很不錯的但是大多集中在地方創生的優先區我要再次提醒因為我們的USR其實是有三個指標包括在地連結、人才培育跟國際鏈結"},{"start":11733.493,"end":11757.334,"text":"不僅限於地方創生,希望提升在每個區域增加大學USR計劃,改成逐決議。第三十一案改成逐決議,因為教育部有先來跟我做說明,再次提醒,在我們現在的高校、大學裡,彈性薪資的教授數量偏多,"},{"start":11759.075,"end":11783.804,"text":"助理教授數量是比較少所以我希望我們教育部要來去增加對於年輕、新進還有女性學者實質上面具體的支持計畫讓我們整體的高教的環境可以在更多元更友善這是第31案第37案關於我們推動跟改進大學的招生制度這一案呢"},{"start":11785.024,"end":11803.362,"text":"在跟教育部討論的過程當中有達成一個共識是在大學裡面教授的意見調查非常重要因為我們的招生制度不要只有教育部自己來討論那這個教育部也有承諾我來做教授的意見調查所以這一案我也是同意並動第49案是關於學生宿舍"},{"start":11809.809,"end":11829.825,"text":"這個計劃名稱叫做新世代學生住宿環境提升計劃那我關心的是質詢率不佳也就是剛剛雅玲委員所提的內容其實是相同的就不再複述那這一個我改成助決議那有關於預算的這個凍結剛剛雅玲的建議金額是一千萬我想等會可以大家並按來"},{"start":11831.626,"end":11854.591,"text":"討論以上是我的提案說明好 謝謝吳佩玉委員再來個吳俊英委員好 謝謝召委本席有幾個提案內容分三大項第一個部分我想前些日子台大校長有公開呼籲近來各大專院校的人士水電費調漲大學對一般性經常支出捉襟見肘剛剛我們在討論這個教育部自己的電費的時候我想"},{"start":11855.191,"end":11873.986,"text":"很多委員是高高舉起後來是輕輕放下那如果教育部對自己是己所欲的話那我想也要施於人啦就是是不是能夠提升教整體的基礎設施那有教育部的官員來討論的時候說台大自己很有錢啊我認為台大校長講這些話不是為了他自己"},{"start":11874.306,"end":11877.667,"text":"大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":11903.511,"end":11922.404,"text":"我甚至昨天還看到有其他老師在說他到一個學校那個講座已經舊到連本校的老師都不會用也用不了了這裡面有非常多我就不一一舉起來待會會一併送上還有那種裝了頭飲物已經裝了10年了那個天花板的蓋板都還沒蓋回去的"},{"start":11923.064,"end":11947.554,"text":"所以我想這個都是我們的教學品質的基礎環境如果我們沒有辦法編列足夠的資源給他們幫他們去爭取的話那我們的學生每天就是在這樣子一個拼裝的環境底下上學我相信很多人也都當過老師那個講桌沒有音源線沒有VGA線沒有HDMI線全部的東西老師大包小包的我每天就是一大袋"},{"start":11948.354,"end":11970.449,"text":"所以我想這個應該要讓部長去了解一下大學第一線高教體系第一線面臨到的困擾如果我們的基礎設施環境沒有辦法準備好你怎麼可能發好的論文你怎麼可能排名往上升嘛這些都是隱性可是很重要的基底部長您是來自大學校園希望您一定要聆聽"},{"start":11972.17,"end":11989.041,"text":"這個是大學校長們心中的痛所以我這邊凍結的目的是什麼呢我希望我們可以存一塊賺兩塊希望呢讓部長待會能不能承諾如果您可以向行政院爭取高校前瞻基礎設施計畫去改善我們剛剛提到的這些問題的話我們就來解凍這個是我們的想法"},{"start":11993.243,"end":12021.377,"text":"第二、第二大塊人才培育我希望能夠提出說大學跟行政院跟各部會三方多方一定要做好對接的溝通我知道12月16號有召開第12次全國科學技術會議這裡面有提到對接產業需求、文化創意與科技的結合發展、人文科學的人才、前瞻科技、國際延來、人才培育支出、產學提高誘因等等"},{"start":12022.301,"end":12041.315,"text":"我的理解教育部有派人甚至參與了兩次我這邊先給葉市長當時的這個AI跨校的這個計畫給予肯定那也一直都有在精進這個我們也肯定但是接下來一個更大範圍的人才培育到底要怎麼做這個我們希望能夠聽到具體的回應跟做法"},{"start":12041.815,"end":12062.231,"text":"第三塊就是所謂剛剛很多委員也有提到的新資的問題我們的排名逐漸的在下降跟人才誘因不足絕對有關係臺大這臺灣的所有大學的待遇教授的待遇是落後先進國家的之前當然我們很感謝教育部各單位有提出談心啦"},{"start":12062.811,"end":12086.213,"text":"御山、各式……御山我也不知道可能是其他跟國科會一起但是整體高校的環境其實還是要努力來讓教授的誘因增加要有競爭力那所以呢我想還有包含私校現在還有這個50、44%的學校私校是沒有調升待遇的還有甚至有積欠教師薪資的"},{"start":12086.613,"end":12112.356,"text":"那我們也接受到很多的陳情說教育部只是說發函鼓勵大家要處理這個問題這樣積極嗎?這樣能夠吸引優秀人才來認教嗎?如果我們沒有正面的回應這些預算再編下去這個錢其實也就是沒有花在刀口上我們也會很質疑它的質詢效率所以我們才會提出這樣的一些建言跟我們所做的這樣的一些凍結的一些想法謝謝"},{"start":12113.695,"end":12123.341,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第"},{"start":12133.727,"end":12160.324,"text":"三十四案裏面其實還是根據這個彈性薪資補助你雖然是有增加但是我必須要說這個彈性薪資的補助就是讓強者越強弱者越弱因為你會看到這個數據真的半數以上是教授我雖然是身為教授我也覺得很好因為你可以從過去的這樣子的研究的成就裏面你比較有機會可以拿到比較多的彈性補助但是你看這個以111年為例補助比率教授高達51.38"},{"start":12162.205,"end":12164.347,"text":"附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院作業基金、教附設醫院"},{"start":12182.967,"end":12191.837,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1屆"},{"start":12197.984,"end":12200.665,"text":"教育部提醒教育部提醒"},{"start":12214.992,"end":12220.718,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":12231.508,"end":12244.054,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":12253.861,"end":12259.633,"text":"連結12所學校10所學校我要知道有多少學生這是我在上面沒有看到這是14所"},{"start":12263.328,"end":12266.09,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47年度教育部主管48案"},{"start":12291.525,"end":12308.706,"text":"拜託,這個是提到有關媒體政策跟業務宣導然後你們這邊有提到你要法官要編繪等書刊起碼有人在看法官編繪的書刊嗎?現在不都是電子化了嗎?然後呢,你看你辦理學年度大學校長教務教務主管的座談經費你現在應該都已經"},{"start":12311.249,"end":12316.23,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":12332.354,"end":12350.301,"text":"大學評鑑也是65案大學評鑑我自己承受過大學評鑑的辛苦全部的人全部在為了這個評鑑做很多的paperwork然後不斷的開會但是你們耗費非常多我同意有評鑑但是需要維持這樣的一個方式像你說評鑑中心"},{"start":12352.202,"end":12355.866,"text":"你現在從第一週期大學校務評鑑現在已經超過10年了然後呢而且評鑑結果需個別點閱各校的報告那缺乏對整治綜合的分析我同意評鑑但是呢你真的從這個評鑑裡面的結果裡面讓社會大眾所理解讓大學理解還有這個評鑑的總類跟報告我個人覺得這個真的是有再一次檢討的必要"},{"start":12375.765,"end":12375.785,"text":"67案"},{"start":12393.988,"end":12411.505,"text":"推動新南向的這個部分雖然實際橋外畢業生就讀的領域跟我國重點產業人才的需求其實不太相符的但是呢你也看到嘛你人數增加但比率上你看出來修學跟特學的比率也是增加的而且"},{"start":12412.105,"end":12425.354,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學校院校務基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成"},{"start":12439.984,"end":12457.801,"text":"在這70案的部分還是一樣EMI我說實在EMI的一個成效不是只有我來講其實非常多英語系的教授外語系的教授都特別提到的全英文的授課但是大家來去看"},{"start":12460.303,"end":12476.891,"text":"9成老師是具有專業能力但是很多時候你完全缺乏師生用雙語互動的而且我老師說一句話你真的在大學上過的話學生光是講中文都不想聽了還聽你講英文對不對不能說你而且你有很多時候"},{"start":12477.671,"end":12484.739,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":12494.289,"end":12507.748,"text":"學校認定EM只看語言是完全是畫錯重點的而且你會看到很多教授直接將原文的中文改用英文敘述這是很輕鬆的方法但是以教學模式沒有改變"},{"start":12509.23,"end":12527.055,"text":"就像我剛剛所說的你教學模式沒有改變你中文都沒有人要聽了你還把它改成英文你這個EM的部分不是只有把它翻成英文來說我想在場所有在大學教書的人都應該會那你的教學模式怎麼被改變你的教學模式如何增加更多的學生在成立的時候的這個雙語的互動我完全沒有辦法看到啊那這都是我們顯見的一個問題嘛這是我們顯見的問題啊所以我們要面對這個問題啊對不對"},{"start":12534.597,"end":12557.797,"text":"最後一個真的我說實在是第72有關於這個加薪的這個部分御山學者但是我們還是看到目前為止我們御山計劃當中已經耗費的16億但你看到比例來去看我還是不忍心說都是短期的短期6萬我們沒有辦法當初找御山學者來我們希望透過彼此之間的可以這個團隊team可以跟我們本土的這樣互相"},{"start":12558.698,"end"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謝謝昭緯我這裡這一幕到目前為止我也有四個案子那第30案我就直接先講我們來談的是要高教人才斷層就高教人才很重要那不過呢我在這案當中我發現我們"},{"start":12633.644,"end":12647.624,"text":"大專院校教師相關資格審查跟聘用那教育部在這個監督的這個部分我覺得沒有善盡監督之責明顯有漏洞在為什麼我想我特別提兩個案子兩個學校"},{"start":12648.886,"end":12661.63,"text":"國立大學校院校務基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大"},{"start":12671.793,"end":12684.807,"text":"當然這個校長要在他退休之前那企圖要來護航他自己的女兒來應聘專案教授那他後來未果但為什麼未果是因為這件事曝光之後反對聲浪很大所以我想從這兩個案例來看到很多國立大學"},{"start":12691.013,"end":12709.572,"text":"事例在我們在監督他應不應該要遵守大學法、教師法或是專科以上學校教師資格審定辦法的時候教育部到底有多少這個監督的能力那在這兩件事件之後那我們做了什麼樣的一個措施我覺得這個可能要再多說明一下那麼再看到我的35案"},{"start":12711.946,"end":12734.565,"text":"三十五案一樣我們已經非常關心了因為我們知道其實在這個分發入學其實已經是大部分的大學最後一個招生的管道了我們也有相關的規定我們在繁星、生理入學只要沒有這個組合入許我們都應該要納入當年學年分發入學的招生可是我們卻"},{"start":12735.586,"end":12750.223,"text":"爆發了4所私立大學沒有確實將名額回流為什麼?因為他要用這樣子來美化營造他這個高招生率的一個假象而且這其中有兩所大學甚至於還是累犯"},{"start":12751.084,"end":12778.555,"text":"所以教育部對這個短報入學的這個狀況這個短報入學區的這個狀況你有記述一些懲處那懲處其實是我們已經最不樂見的了我們不希望每件事情前面沒辦法預防中間不能監督到最後我們都用懲處所以針對教育部在這個只能懲處而督導不周那針對大學招生名額回流跟名額寄存的這個部分我想等一下聽一聽那教育部怎麼做這個檢討"},{"start":12779.995,"end":12780.375,"text":"第42項高等教育預算相關預算113年編列7億6969萬元"},{"start":12797.011,"end":12799.014,"text":"8億5337萬多增加8千4百萬成長10.8%相關計劃業務沒有明顯差異"},{"start":12816.135,"end":12820.436,"text":"業務費、委辦費、私校獎助金額減少,設備及投資大幅增加113年4896萬元增加到114年預計1億6千多萬成長率331%成長這麼多,我們也希望設備及相關投資變更好"},{"start":12843.32,"end":12869.146,"text":"不過就按照剛才葛國軍委員所提出來的還有他所秀出來的照片我們看到這個錢好像沒有看到有什麼成果出來不管我們的設備跟不上現在所需求的或者是沒有更新或者是減漏好像都沒有反映在我們提升的預算上所以這個部分我們希望等一下也要能夠做一個說明最後我是一個第63案"},{"start":12870.566,"end":12882.632,"text":"這一案我真的要特別問一下這個是在我們有一筆預算是針對國家重點領域校際研教園區先導計劃這個計劃我看到金額很大9億7千萬這個計劃是高雄市政府提的案子"},{"start":12892.156,"end":12921.465,"text":"我想這個我們在113年4月15號就今年4月15號去核定了不過呢它要有一些補充說明還有一些釐清相關的事項的時候我們來納入公件審議不過這個計畫是跨年期的而且要配合我們國家重大政策長期發展那也要依照我們行政院所屬各機關中長程各案計畫的編審要點我們應該要做的相關的事情好像還沒有完成"},{"start":12923.145,"end":12949.257,"text":"教育部現在也沒有寒城行政院審議也沒有去評估這個研教園區主要的工作項目怎麼樣去分年執行策略還有它的績效目標以及產學合作的機制等等這些內容好像都沒有那我們就編列這樣的預算我認為跟規定會有一些不符所以以上我想我們等一下就看怎麼樣大家來并案凍結好不好"},{"start":12950.698,"end":12952.441,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":12962.092,"end":12981.741,"text":"謝主席,我有三個案子喔。第28案,是談到校園生理用品的問題。因為大家清楚,月經是大部分生理女性一輩子都會歷經數十年的週期性的自然生理現象。"},{"start":12982.821,"end":13010.99,"text":"當然購買是一筆不小的費用有部分女性因為經濟困難沒有辦法取得充足的生理用品所以會面臨所謂的月經貧窮的問題上一屆教文委員會委員就有提案要求教育部要研議各級學校來免費提供生理用品給有需要的學生來使用不管是經濟弱勢或者是急用教育部也有從善如流開始辦理"},{"start":13011.63,"end":13016.292,"text":"大學附設醫院作業基金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、國立陽明交通"},{"start":13030.139,"end":13044.868,"text":"領取量與意願相對低。目前在大學端的部分,教育部是有把生理用品納入大專院校弱勢學生助學計畫的生活助學金補助範圍內。"},{"start":13046.309,"end":13068.422,"text":"那如果是學生是有照顧到可是急用的學生呢那之前學生團體就有說有大學宣稱說教育部因為沒有提供設置及提供免費生理生理品的這種專用經費那可是教育部後來來本辦說明的時候是有提到說其實是有給大學這筆錢那含在高教生根計劃的補助裡面"},{"start":13069.342,"end":13095.447,"text":"我本行是希望說是不是教育部可以把生理用品這筆錢明確地寫在大學的補助範圍裡面那這樣學生學校就會知道說生理用品這筆錢是可以用來用這些補助來使用而不會說因為沒有這筆錢所以難以達成等等就不要給他有理由跟藉口啦所以這個案子要凍結是這個原因"},{"start":13096.627,"end":13097.888,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部"},{"start":13116.44,"end":13118.822,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部"},{"start":13136.452,"end":13151.521,"text":"降到24個學校43個案子那到今年才只有11個學校15個案子所以在預算方面前幾個年度預算大約都是2億多可是明年度的預算就上升到3億"},{"start":13153.422,"end":13182.142,"text":"兩千四百多萬那我好奇的是說合訂案數變少問到為什麼預算會增加那教育部的說明是說因為還會新增其他的活動那可是預算書上的說明跟前幾年的說明是一模一樣的那也沒有寫到說特別寫到說有新增什麼樣的活動所以我是不是等一下請教育部再特別說明一下到底是新增哪些活動項目需要增加經費一下子增加到一億"},{"start":13184.903,"end":13192.185,"text":"十七案關注STEM人才培養教育部從2023年推出STEM領域學士後專班"},{"start":13200.968,"end":13227.6,"text":"那去年合併9校33班那只有4個學校6班來開班那今年有合併17個學校32班那可是9月開始的秋季班也只有5個學校6班開班那看起來成班率都不是很理想那教育部是說因為已經有放寬報名專班的資格那也有持續在宣傳這個訊息可是我認為應該還要多多加強"},{"start":13228.38,"end":13237.713,"text":"那教育部要怎麼樣去思考專班如何調整或如何宣傳的加強那這部分再請教育部做說明以上好 謝謝林一金委員再來是羅廷維委員"},{"start":13245.247,"end":13266.312,"text":"好,那我想高等教育這一節大家都非常關注那我想我在32案很簡單的說明我們人才流失的原因都已經講過很多次流量博士找出入、流氧博士被攔截、在職教室找舞台這些困境我們希望教育部要真的省切的去檢討這個問題那在38案我所提到的是EDU的一個調查結果"},{"start":13268.092,"end":13288.886,"text":"我們對於這一個生涯探索大家都希望能夠幫上忙但是目前用學習歷程讓很多人覺得很詬病就是花錢享受代筆的服務我想蝦皮購物平台有備審代製、從零到好不限科系提供素材、獎狀、經歷這些問題我們在質詢上也都說了所以38案是提到這個部分"},{"start":13290.418,"end":13310.618,"text":"另外43案我們對於強化人才培育及產學合作的一個機制我們國內航空航太的工程相關學系目前都著重在航空領域而沒有太空領域相關的太空人才培育仍有加強的一個空間所以我想"},{"start":13311.098,"end":13323.592,"text":"先不講這個凍結數我們待會一起統統都可以配合大家但是我們一定要跟大家講我們目前所重視到的這幾案的一個問題那再來就是71案"},{"start":13325.258,"end":13343.092,"text":"71案我們對於高等教育目前所編列的金額我們編列的再高我們都一定會支持但是有沒有到位有沒有花在刀口上是我們現在很擔憂的錫日教育部在這個高等教育推動的頂尖計劃2005年到2017年花費了這個5年500億的這個頂尖計劃但經費執行的結果臺灣並沒有世界百大那目前高教"},{"start":13353.155,"end":13372.611,"text":"政策、頂搭計畫、高教生根、玉山計畫、優先教師加薪。教育部用了很多計畫、花了很多錢,但高等教育目前所面臨到的問題都沒有解決。教師出走聘不到教師,大學、世界、"},{"start":13373.291,"end":13388.948,"text":"排名直直落這些問題我們希望還是要深切的去做一個檢討以上是我所提的這幾案那待會動結束大家一起討論謝謝好謝謝羅廷文委員那個吳征程委員有沒有要發言這個第二幕24到75案"},{"start":13391.474,"end":13392.675,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部教育"},{"start":13414.236,"end":13438.945,"text":"利用費以符合公益性也避免就是有一些不當的利益輸送那教育部的溝通是說你們會將私校產學合作涉及土地及建物比用比照國有財產訂立原則我是覺得原則還不夠清楚啦希望能夠更有強制力一些那這部分所以這個部分我希望跟大家一起並動這是第45案"},{"start":13441.46,"end":13456.748,"text":"第54案是針對現在不少高校的亂象那教育部事實上無法可管因為大學法目前的架構就是內部監督有些機制是失靈的外部苛責性又不高"},{"start":13457.188,"end":13458.81,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部"},{"start":13475.99,"end":13497.942,"text":"委員會籌辦專案小組的會議也都有在進行預計明年5月修法草案可以送行政院審議7月也會針對產學合作涉及土地經貿的部分納入產學合作實施辦法我想你們的確是蠻努力的這部分為了表達我的態度我跟大家一起並動這是我的第54案"},{"start":13499.622,"end":13522.53,"text":"第55案是針對大學宿舍因為之前我做宿舍的調查的時候發現有些學校針對居住標準特別是私立大學的宿舍就非常的誇張連那個學生要走過的通道就小到不知道是怎麼蓋出來的所以我覺得教育部因為不管公私立大學都有拿到教育部很多補助"},{"start":13523.05,"end":13546.231,"text":"大學宿舍現在有點兩極化好得很好然後差得很差應該要定一個最低標準然後檢討自償性的機制當然我們是希望教育部給予合理的財務支持那教育部這邊有回應就是就是擔心學校會跟不上但我還是覺得你們應該要努力定一個最低"},{"start":13546.952,"end":13560.308,"text":"居住標準達不到的,比如說你要一個學生多好評或者空間走道這種,達不到的部分應該要請他們盡早改善所以這個部分我還是希望第55案跟大家一起並動"},{"start":13562.274,"end":13585.556,"text":"第56案是希望很多高教的老師、校長有反應希望教育部召開全國高教會議那教育部是表達說你們有在辦各種專案小組座談那我是希望不然你就是等你的布版草案出來之後舉辦就是有這樣的高教會議精神的"},{"start":13586.337,"end":13586.797,"text":"協助協助協助協助協助"},{"start":13602.322,"end":13615.81,"text":"國立各級學校兼任行政職務教師兼職處理辦法也已經在妥善宣傳,所以我第57案可以改成主決議,就先回應一下。好,那如果沒有人要再補充說明,吳春城委員還沒說明。好,我是針對這個第二幕裡面,73案。"},{"start":13626.141,"end":13629.203,"text":"還有97案先到75號主要是針對我們現在對於僑生的招生還有流產的整個計畫的問題因為我們現在"},{"start":13647.457,"end":13670.432,"text":"這個針對這個少子化還有產業那個這個人才的不足所以這個除了不斷的增加我們的一個鼓勵生育但是這個反不及急所以招收僑生外國學生、港澳學生來臺學習甚至留才留才的整個的計畫這個應該是整個的"},{"start":13674.608,"end":13700.166,"text":"重點的工作包括結合僑委會也積極要做這些事情不過現在看起來這個這部分的成效還是有待加強所以我在這裡提到的一個是凍結一千萬所以要教育部提出具體的這個計畫書面的計畫以上"},{"start":13704.753,"end":13705.674,"text":"教育部教育部長"},{"start":13723.087,"end":13740.749,"text":"那第一個部分有關於學習歷程檔案的資安的一個疑慮的部分,郭委員在關心的這個部分,那我們現在已經做到資安的一個向上集中管理,那以及第三方的一個集合的一個措施,使這個學習歷程檔案在資安上面的疑慮能夠降低。"},{"start":13741.79,"end":13770.371,"text":"做到零缺失那另外有關於羅委員所提到的有關代寫的事項我們除了跟所謂的電商這邊呢發函請他們撤掉這個相關的一個廣告之外呢我們從我們目前的一個實際上跟4000多分的問卷也就是我們針對高中老師以及高中學生所做這樣的一個問卷那高中老師發現說學生真正的有代作的一個狀況"},{"start":13771.152,"end":13774.893,"text":"大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":13795.401,"end":13802.089,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":13814.422,"end":13837.676,"text":"學生不願意去或離學校很近的地方屋主提高租金造成有這樣的狀況產生所以我們在社會住宅的部分我們現在在新宿舍運動2.0改成三個第一個就是由所謂的學校既有宿舍的改建活動"},{"start":13838.556,"end":13841.179,"text":"第二是由校舍改建成為學校在教學空間上可以改建為宿舍用的部分我們這邊也會來補助學校第三"},{"start":13853.753,"end":13878.582,"text":"學校如果有新建宿舍需要去借貸在一億元的狀況之下我們可以來補助全額的一個利息補貼所以我們現在漸漸的把社會住宅當成是所謂的學校如果在安置學生上面宿舍在經過剛剛所講的這三個方案有要安置學生的部分來當成是一個支撐的一個那一個"},{"start":13879.482,"end":13896.234,"text":"方案。所以社會住宅這個部分我們漸漸的把重心移到剛剛所說的利息補貼銷售改建以及宿舍的那個宿舍的一個改建那剛才范雲委員也有提到就是說合理的一個住宅空間"},{"start":13896.894,"end":13914.842,"text":"那因為我們在新宿舍運動2.0有委託專案的團隊他們其實在提供學校註冊的最低需求的時候我們現在目前的統計大概都有高於內政部的個人住宅的這樣子的一個12平方米的規定我們大概都有達到12或12到15"},{"start":13917.443,"end":13938.612,"text":"那這個部分我們會在未來的一個住宿的就是說輔導學校在改建這個宿舍的時候能夠納入到學校考量時的一個合理空間的一個規範那第三個議題就是有關於世界排名秀寶委員所提出來的這個所謂的現在我們去中整整個QS或Times的一個"},{"start":13940.217,"end":13950.142,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":13960.286,"end":13974.282,"text":"提出了所謂的UAAT這個大學聯盟的計劃跟國外來進行合作之外我們也希望透過高校生跟或者是相關的一個研究中心的案子希望做到就是我們目前國內的學校"},{"start":13975.163,"end":13993.255,"text":"能夠跟國外學校來co-advise我們的學生然後共同的研究共同的發表論文來增加我們的整個國際的能見度這個是有關於世界排名上面的我們會爭取更多跟國際著名大學合作的一個機會"},{"start":13994.396,"end":14013.597,"text":"在人才培育的部分,剛才各位委員還有各位委員都有關心到是不是要爭取所謂的前瞻的一個高教育算以及組成跨部會的人才的培育小組在這個部分,我們其實每年都是根據國發會"},{"start":14014.798,"end":14015.318,"text":"基金、教科科科科科科科科科科科科科科"},{"start":14037.583,"end":14064.865,"text":"在我們的相關系所的培育當中我們就會去增列相關的系所給予學校不管是開班費或者是師資或者是學生員額以這樣的一個方式來增加人才培育所以在太空領域部分剛才科委員跟柳委員都有關心到我們是目前有補助4所學校他們著重在太空我們要他們不能再著重在過去的航太"},{"start":14065.285,"end":14080.44,"text":"要以太空系所這樣的研究所來設置所以他們的系所名稱原則上都是以太空系統工程為主那我們每年都是給15名的外加的一個資資的一個做法來補助這四個學校"},{"start":14081.161,"end":14102.009,"text":"還有我們也以外加名額的方式提供學校招生那這個是屬於太空領域的部分那剛才也有委員提到所謂的跨域學習的部分那我們在這個學就是說11、32學年度開始我們會有一個跨領域的一個學程的一個方案我們邀請了八個學校來參與我們這個跨領域學習那同樣的我們在"},{"start":14106.01,"end":14123.607,"text":"我們高校深耕當中我們把跨域學習當成是學校的學生的一個重要的六大學習指標那同時也有所謂的那個資訊與人文能力的一個結合這個都是我們在跨域學習的部分的一個努力那在研究中心的部分我們也"},{"start":14124.947,"end":14151.481,"text":"希望學校能夠做到我們現在補助24個學校、76個研究中心現在我們也要求學校能夠做所謂的跨校合作所以這個是屬於跨域學習或合作的部分那剛才科委員也有特別提到所謂的EMI課程學生跟老師之間用英語來互動的這個根據我們委託VC的一個"},{"start":14153.503,"end":14181.801,"text":"現場觀客確實有這樣的一個現象所以我們現在呢是希望學校能夠引導學校做所謂的大一英文的課程改革把過程過去的那個general 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purpose的這樣子的EAP跟ESP在他們在大一的英文能力的時候就有基本在專業的科目上面就有具備一定的一個專業英語能力的這樣子的一個跟老師或者是"},{"start":14185.765,"end":14203.444,"text":"這個部分我們有也來做我們EMI的一個課程目標的一個改革了那再來就是教師資格審查的部分我們因為根據教師法還有所謂的那個教育人員任用條例其實教師資格的副審權是在教育部"},{"start":14203.584,"end":14205.787,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育"},{"start":14222.445,"end":14239.195,"text":"副審權收回來部裡頭做直接做偉大審這會影響學校的一個reputation因為學校都蠻重視這個所謂教室資格審查的部分那我們在113學年度開始也會開始去訪視學校教室資格的審查作業這個預計這113到114我們會訪視對我們會把它列入那個113跟114的那個訪視的"},{"start":14249.272,"end":14250.296,"text":"對、對、對、對、對、沒得承認。"},{"start":14253.024,"end":14273.997,"text":"對,我們在113會把它優先納入去訪視的對象對,這個我們已經在規劃對,是先訪視,然後會如果嚴重的話我們會把它做那個原則上是已經違反了我們的那個精神就是教師資格審查的一個精神這個我們會來做處理就是違反我們的規定對,是這個我們會來做處理"},{"start":14286.017,"end":14300.832,"text":"根據大學法的部分,目前部分都有在研議修法當中。至於性品及生理用品的部分,我們會在高教生及相關的致用用途上去明訂致用用途。"},{"start":14301.292,"end":14321.269,"text":"那有關於玉山學者彈性薪資還有青壯學者的一個那個聘用的部分專任教師的部分我們是在玉山學者裡頭還是有達到76%那我們也在今年的8月修改了相關規範希望能夠輔導副教授跟助理教授等級的青壯學者那以上是針對委員的一個問題做回應謝謝"},{"start":14324.011,"end":14353.354,"text":"好 針對第二幕24到75案謝謝高教司長的回應不是說明他還有兩個案子沒有回復那那個拿兩個案子講一下請教育部再回應42案剛剛有仔細說明過嗎然後再來就是我剛剛提的那個國家重點領域校際研教園區這個計畫也完全沒有說明這個案子現在要9.7億後面拖出來的整體預算132億我覺得有必要在這裡說清楚好"},{"start":14353.994,"end":14366.659,"text":"那是高教司廖高賢司長要繼續補充說明?那個針對有關於STEM領域還有女性科學研能才的培育的部分我們跟對準的所謂的現在因為賴總統有提出來幾個"},{"start":14368.892,"end":14387.846,"text":"42案42案是因為有STEM領域跟那個所謂相關領域有增加的這個部分那我們這個做我們的我們會做一些改進的機制因為我們過去是這個案子是在114年會再重新摳建一次因為過去的幾年我們是一次摳建之後就核定三年"},{"start":14388.166,"end":14393.908,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":14412.797,"end":14415.965,"text":"呃,這,這個部分,12、對,64,好,現在剛才10跟60,好,64"},{"start":14420.593,"end":14440.519,"text":"對,那九點七一的這個研教園區這個部分是高雄市政府他為了要整合整個產業還有教學的能量所提出來的一個公建計畫那教育部就幫忙提到那個行政院審議那這個計畫目前是還在所謂的編列所謂中長程計畫那我們現在計畫書總統當中的是所謂的先導計畫也就是說"},{"start":14448.121,"end":14466.671,"text":"現在高雄市政府針對現在的有那個10棟的建築物以及他3塊的那個園區的預訂地呢做一些整地還有新建新建築以及那個舊建築的一個改善這是先導計劃已經獲得行政院的一個同意了那所以說這個跟"},{"start":14468.212,"end":14487.32,"text":"後面要提中長程計劃的整體計劃是分開的,就是說等這個先導計劃先完成之後,把相關的基礎設施以及建築物所建設好之後,他就會去引進相關的產業以及學校來入住,以上補充說明。"},{"start":14488.56,"end":14511.236,"text":"這個部分我能不能再清楚一點因為我想應該說明之後不只是我在座的委員應該還是都聽不懂那我覺得我先把我的問題講出來第一個這個案子我們任何一個有助於教育的案子我們都支持那高雄市政府把這個案子提出來那有一個園區好像是在舊的左營國中對不對"},{"start":14512.697,"end":14513.378,"text":"教育部主管"},{"start":14529.774,"end":14555.987,"text":"教育部會協助引進優質大學進駐合作第一個什麼優質大學然後進駐合作什麼然後看起來這個園區能做的哇 非常廣欸半導體人工智慧淨零碳排智慧城市那我覺得沒有一個戲目那當然行政院已經之前先導計畫有一個1億8千萬了嘛可是我們現在要開始去編列這個9億7千萬讓它去修繕不管是相關的管社啦大樓啦等等啦齁"},{"start":14556.607,"end":14556.727,"text":"總預算金費約132億元"},{"start":14581.471,"end":14608.988,"text":"郭玉琴、江雅玲、侯孟楷、林怡瑾、柯志恩、林倩琦剛剛我的第40案好像只有回應我一半而已只有回應我資安的部分而已另外我比較關心的就是特殊選材的比例其實只有1.5%這個部分沒有一個具體的說明或者是一個近期的明確的目標跟討論的機制那這個部分是不是可以詳細再說明一下"},{"start":14609.946,"end":14612.329,"text":"如果要隨時說明,是不是這個案子可以先說完?"},{"start":14615.783,"end":14641.401,"text":"是不是大家這一輪講完再一起說明好嗎?因為剛剛有舉手了好久了齁我這個能不能夠爭取一下那個召委同意一下因為其實不管是我現在提的這個園區的計畫或是剛剛那個那個公益區委員提的這個部分其實都很重要那是不是能夠我們一個案子一個案子把它說明清楚不然等一下我覺得又是很大概我們又要重複再問一次了好不好"},{"start":14644.364,"end":14651.91,"text":"六十三案處理完我們就處理第40案的部分這樣可以說明更清楚一些不然我們會變成很多輪在發言你們要這樣子的話等一下一個人講完一個說明我們今天也真的會就run很久喔"},{"start":14663.611,"end":14678.442,"text":"我跟莊惠建議一下,因為像如果說等一下他再回頭說明,我又會再問一次63案,大家又會再問一次63案,那40案如果等一下說不行又再一次,我覺得是不是我們可以聚焦討論,看看大家啦,這是我的建議啦。"},{"start":14680.583,"end":14706.891,"text":"趙偉你現在是程序的意見是不是對對對第二幕總共有1288億1288億不是1288萬那1288億裡面其實預算科目像25案到28案就243億那其實如果說我們依照預算科目的部分來去細部的做討論我覺得這樣反而比較容易聚焦你說25案到28案如果說這四個提案委員個別來"},{"start":14708.491,"end":14718.785,"text":"提出疑問然後我們行政單位來直接說明那也許這四個案的委員他就可以理解了之後那就這一個部分就可以比較快速的直接過去"},{"start":14720.353,"end":14720.773,"text":"第二幕"},{"start":14744.69,"end":14771.309,"text":"第1屆第1屆到75到75案但是到75裡面總數是2、4、3億是啊那2、4、3億裡面其實大家的問題就已經發散了2、4、3億裡面那等一下本席要針對我的59案跟69案其實也有不同面向的問題包括新南向的這個產權合作國際專班等相關的問題我也要提出來來請行政部門回答但我現在提出程序問題其實講的是說200多億的預算"},{"start":14774.491,"end":14797.604,"text":"不要這樣子發散然後到最後大家變成是說有回答問題沒有回答問題好像大家也沒有辦法有一個聚焦的方向我想那個教育部的預算大家都知道因為那個額度都很高所以不是針對這200多案200多億所以我只是在想說我們怎麼樣今天才能夠就是比較有效率現在剛剛萬美玲是63案嘛是不是"},{"start":14798.104,"end":14810.824,"text":"那我想針對63案的部分就是如果有委員有63案的話現在一起發言完然後一起回應好不好那其他我們就按照剛剛那個順序那個柯志恩委員"},{"start":14812.625,"end":14838.288,"text":"因為63案是快牽涉到高雄所以現在基本上只要講到高雄兩個字就會把炮火放這邊所以我還是要問清楚當然對於高雄任何產業的發展絕對是支持這個是完全無庸置疑的而且剛好我們的部長就是來自於高雄他長期就很清楚整個這樣一個環境我記得我剛開始聽到有這樣一個訊息因為就左營國中本來是要變成公園用地現在有更好的這樣子的一個計畫"},{"start":14839.969,"end":14865.062,"text":"如果解釋清楚我們的樂觀期程可是我一剛開始跟教育部要這樣一個資料的時候在沒有編9.1之前你們告訴我這是機密我不曉得機密在哪裡這點你們必須要給我說清楚第二個目前為止引進更好的學校進來那大家知道已經是陽明教大跟清大嘛這點應該是我的認知沒有錯嘛清教嘛那再說到這個地方我有時候也要為我們部長抱怨一下欸中山大學也很棒欸"},{"start":14865.962,"end":14866.423,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關教育部長"},{"start":14887.662,"end":14915.597,"text":"但是我也要為他講話但是為什麼是是這樣的一個處理這裡沒有太多太多太多的想法而且就像萬美玲委員所提到的他剛開始是9億行政院核可可是未來是136億那你現在132億你這裡面很多的細節到底未來做哪一項的一個處理我說實在的從我一開始跟你要資料你們告訴我這是機密可是其他的委員都可以要得到為什麼足足對我來說這叫一個機密我不知道機密在哪裡啊你如果是跟我說機密的話你今天"},{"start":14916.697,"end":14940.663,"text":"剛開始還沒有剛開始只要一些好像是一千八還是一億多我忘記了一剛開始只是一個粗一億八的時候跟你要機密突然間冒出一個九億九億就不是機密一億八就是機密為什麼我要不到資料這點部長你一定要給我一個說法我們只是要求很細節的知道每一個監督每一個過程因為這一劃下去資是體大這個部分裡面我還是強力的要求"},{"start":14941.443,"end":14962.229,"text":"為什麼給我的就是機密然後其他人都是可以然後突然之間9億的這個部分還是讓我們的萬委員提到的還是沒有看得很清楚我還是再次強調我不要被又被扭曲對於任何可以到高雄的產業的發展人才的培育半導體的發展絕對全力支持但是站在監督的角色上面一定要問清楚說明白好那這個高教師這裡是不是要回應一下"},{"start":14967.888,"end":14973.114,"text":"請部長回應吧63那司長有沒有要回應完之後部長再回應好不好"},{"start":14975.833,"end":14997.248,"text":"根據我們整個流程,高雄市政府承諾剛才萬昭偉所提到的他們因為針對了半導體、人工智慧、淨零排碳跟智慧城市這個四大國家重點領域向行政院提出了這樣子的一個園區的規劃那因為園區的規劃後續需要配合整個產業的進駐,所以它是分階段進行"},{"start":15003.112,"end":15024.686,"text":"那在113年度的時候呢我們就開始了所謂的先導計畫那也就是有剛才柯委沒有這個後來因為行政院有確定核定了之後我們後續剛剛幾位委員在關心這個議題的時候我們都有把行政院的核定的公文給提供給委員做參考了"},{"start":15025.026,"end":15036.496,"text":"那至於因為計畫書的內容這個部分是屬於高雄市政府所撰寫的那我們必須要轉給高雄市政府來看他們是否願意提供這個部分我們確實會來做就是說如果委員有事"},{"start":15040.729,"end":15062.367,"text":"計劃是可以因為計劃書是由高雄市政府來撰寫的啦那這個過去的一個慣例上面只要計劃書不是教育部本身這個主筆撰寫的我們都會先去詢問他願不願意提供我們目前我們會來那個就是說有關於這個9.7的部分我們會來詢問高雄市政府"},{"start":15063.267,"end":15085.885,"text":"這個地方我來瞭解一下好不好就是說這個計畫你要去詢問第一個你詢問沒不知道那第二個他有權利決定要不要讓我們知道這個計畫但是經費預算卻又讓我們來編給他跟我們來審核同意給他你不覺得在預算精神上面這有一點怪怪的嗎我看不到計畫但我錢又必須要給他"},{"start":15088.168,"end":15101.222,"text":"計畫書的部分是不是容許我們再跟高雄市政府這邊請他們來提供就是說如果委員有需求的話我們會把委員的需求跟高雄市政府來溝通請他們來提供我再補充一下"},{"start":15101.963,"end":15122.275,"text":"這本於預算監督的精神該給的錢有助於地方發展不管它落腳在哪裡我們都要全力去支持何況地方政府如果有心要做中央當然要給予支持但是我們作為立法委員我們在審查預算的時候不可能什麼都沒有就告訴有這個計畫我9.7億我就這樣給了你如果這個計畫沒有來今天我是會主張9.7億全數凍結對"},{"start":15129.94,"end":15130.481,"text":"五十九萬跟他是一起的嗎?"},{"start":15137.765,"end":15143.15,"text":"五十九案也是一樣針對9.1我想先確認一下因為我本期我們在看到這個這個預算的時候我沒有詢問過教育部教育部那時候講是說還沒有行政院合議審議那剛剛這個司長講是說到底什麼時候行政院審議"},{"start":15161.243,"end":15182.21,"text":"那本席的辦公室在詢問的時候都直接跟我回答說還沒有審議喔還沒有審議完畢喔難道是這一兩個禮拜突然間行政院審議通過嗎來那如果說不是在這一兩個禮拜審議通過那就當初在本席辦公室在詢問的時候是故意不給我們資料"},{"start":15183.237,"end":15206.076,"text":"那再者之前我們有講過嘛前瞻計畫兩張紙要8800億那至少還有兩張紙現在我們這個9.7億是連紙都沒有有紙有一張是不是但計畫兩個字要9.7億但計畫內容是什麼我們到目前為止不知道"},{"start":15207.796,"end":15229.246,"text":"本席也一樣的立場我是高雄女婿所以要為高雄要為我們所有縣市我都支持那但是一樣這個計畫我也確認一下當初它算是競爭型還是這個限制還是各縣市政府有沒有了解還是獨厚各縣市特定縣市否則如果說我們當初知道這個計畫的話我相信其他縣市也想要爭取啊那怎麼會"},{"start":15231.687,"end":15254.503,"text":"都是秘密連民意代表連中央民意代表都不知道這個計畫然後結果突然間今天要審預算的時候9.7億就說要給高雄了然後高雄的計畫在哪裡我們也看不到我覺得這怎麼想都奇怪那如果說是這樣子程序的話那乾脆你不要編到教育部的本預算啊你編教育部的本預算然後我們沒有過問的權利我們沒有看的權利然後結果你要我們來背書"},{"start":15255.848,"end":15269.819,"text":"不可能啊那你乾脆你編到行政院啊你編到行政院預算行政院你要怎麼樣直接給就如同剛剛我們講斑斑有先擄啊你是在行政院的補助計畫裡面你只是請教育部請農業部來代辦啊那也很奇怪嘛"},{"start":15271.26,"end":15276.802,"text":"那個剛剛沒有說秘密啦就是說依照慣例你們要去請那個地方政府嘛那主席裁決現在12點45分我們休息到1點45因為這題大概沒有辦法很快結束休息到1點45那你們去處理一下看那個計畫的部分我們再繼續討論那1點45回來可以有看到相關資料嗎還是只是主席現在想要讓大家吃個飯然後"},{"start":15297.711,"end":15315.122,"text":"因為已經也太晚了我們不能夠讓公務員沒有其實這個要處理很快啊剛剛美玲召委也已經講了啊如果說今天這個沒辦法看到計畫我們是不是有因為這個部分還有很多委員都還沒發言我們就先休息到一點之所及你剛剛不是講說要針對個案就一案一案來"},{"start":15316.042,"end":15328.054,"text":"那他們去找一下也許計畫可以聯絡吧因為這一題我覺得主席猜缺因為我剛剛本來是要12點半休息的已經拖15分鐘了那12點45我們休息一小時到1點45那針對這個繼續討論還沒發言的委員我剛剛都有記錄下來"},{"start":15334.315,"end":15348.263,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":15360.83,"end":15377.742,"text":"韓國瑜你其實比我更了解你不?誰讓你不學中山?你好,你是中山校長,中山有很好的半導體啊,為什麼成大也可以很接近?為什麼搞個清教系來?為什麼搞個清教系來?因為我擔心我講話以後會轉訊,所以我覺得不好表演不是嗎?我覺得這裡我也不得理解"},{"start":15384.987,"end":15391.692,"text":"但是我會說是否我們不要做這種事?你看這一案子對你來講是兩面的。東華大學他們在網路上這個已經說炸火了。東華大學說沒有熱水,這兩天還沒有熱水,這麼多的時間都沒有熱水。"},{"start":15407.864,"end":15415.145,"text":"全國各地,包括你們台大,到處哪裏選擇,在哪裏,都不聊聊,都不談議題。你還不如找南部就近,成大陸、中山就好啦,這兩個組可以撐起來啦!我同意啊!我同意啊!我同意啊!我同意啊!我同意啊!"},{"start":15434.069,"end":15446.518,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":15464.69,"end":15466.491,"text":"我的身份講確實身份"},{"start":15476.473,"end":15488.921,"text":"你本來你如果真正是在地的那麼多好的大學因為你像交大在台南那個光電園區也是從來沒有進駐過"},{"start":15497.506,"end":15521.779,"text":"就是上課來來去去也沒有真正的所以為什麼說之前萬委員不是在立法院質詢的時候我說如果有一些土地、地方政府基於城市的發展他願意給大學這是好事,大學能量願意進但是如果大學沒有決心要進去"},{"start":15522.839,"end":15547.831,"text":"土地收回土地收回我以為這青椒他要砍滅他到底要聘多少教授放在那邊?他如果還是在新竹的話所有的Lab都在新竹所以這個是在幹嘛?這是在幹嘛?但是我等下會去比一下會在高雄發展我會到九月但是差不多是千萬公尺都是要拿出來去發展就是因為"},{"start":15548.931,"end":15560.636,"text":"對不起我就是論事,因為你要錢砍了,對你來講也是一種…到時候馬上又被罵?要求他們起訴我是講真話嗎?所以我說等一下1點40我還沒說,但是我會說這個就是整部開始整個到這邊維持,從宋國省來宋國省,我先跟他們做一個處理"},{"start":15571.482,"end":15579.79,"text":"請他們這個東西稍微放手一下這部分你們覺得跟這個東西講要動多少部分我覺得就是整個去動多少部分可以動螢幕嘛"},{"start":18937.486,"end":18947.619,"text":"好 那我們繼續第二幕第一節就是24案到75案那剛剛那個柯真委員要不要先發言"},{"start":18950.6,"end":18956.883,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":18973.991,"end":18990.776,"text":"給媽媽對不對好那這個部分裡面我還是希望透過一些小小的凍結的方法因為我說實在的身為高雄的這樣子的一個非常注重他發展的我也不希望他全部凍結我還是必須要承認我不需要全部凍結因為讓整個的產業發展會面臨一個很大的一個影響"},{"start":18994.677,"end":18999.019,"text":"第12、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":19016.707,"end":19016.907,"text":"委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":19036.058,"end":19039.359,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":19062.305,"end":19090.563,"text":"上課的一個小教室然後其他在做一些我們完全不知道事情所以這個東西我強烈在要求在這個整個的解凍報告當中一定要有他們的commitment如何在我們這個地方能夠深深耕耘誠如他們所說的這個東西一定要涵蓋在裡面的項目裡面好 謝謝柯之恩委員那教育部有聽到那那個洪孟凱委員好 那剛剛有講說高雄市政府的計畫那在哪邊呢"},{"start":19092.881,"end":19093.521,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":19111.038,"end":19137.088,"text":"我們還是強調在預算審查其實就是要看到大家有做事我們給予肯定有做事我們不會讓大家要馬而好又要馬而不吃草但是真的在事先的詢答以及在事先我們的這個書面資料出來的時候能夠先主動的提供的話我想會更減少大家的時間這是第一個開張名義講那接下來這九億七千萬它還是屬於這個先導計劃先導計劃"},{"start":19140.569,"end":19158.877,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、"},{"start":19161.778,"end":19186.562,"text":"那是不是折衷一下因為本席這邊有提出來是三千萬的一個部分但我希望的是說能夠督促至少九億七千萬的這一個計畫合理來去運作來去往前所以昭偉我這邊具體比較建議是說這案的部分沒關係當然美玲美玲昭偉等一下美玲昭偉也建議但我就說如果說這樣的話我這邊三千萬的一個凍結那針對這個九億七千萬的部分以上謝謝"},{"start":19192.777,"end":19212.098,"text":"外媒林委員有拿到了一本國家重點領域校際研究園區宣導計劃我看起來因為我們真的還沒有時間看現在才拿來那這個呢也就是這一本所謂的100多頁然後價值9.7億是不是這樣子"},{"start":19212.498,"end":19220.845,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":19234.895,"end":19256.664,"text":"第二階段的計劃公建計劃已經送了嘛那行政院這邊的那個審核的結果是什麼還沒有那還沒有為什麼我們要接著編運算這個是先導計劃先導的先導的計劃就是1131是但我有一個疑問啦因為說真的這個案子你們到現在才讓我們知道所以呢我也沒有辦法瞭解得很清楚以後在這裡來問你就我現在的疑問來說"},{"start":19257.864,"end":19273.861,"text":"那如果說今天我們這個先導計畫9.7億下去以後其實這個計畫就是要開始做了嘛,100多億可是後面,如果現在的先導計畫或者是現在拿來這100多億高中市政府做出來的計畫假設跟後面審議出來的結果有極大的出入的時候又怎麼辦?"},{"start":19274.702,"end":19277.224,"text":"基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立"},{"start":19290.632,"end":19294.456,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管"},{"start":19313.035,"end":19339.79,"text":"這個書面報告其實我們真的是還沒看我們真的不知道怎麼去審這個9.7億所以如果說在還不清楚的情況之下那我覺得這個9.7億可能還是應該要凍結那個剛剛陳培委員早前面休息前有登記是不是現在要發言因為其他已經發言了是不是那個部長或是次長是不是要表達一下"},{"start":19342.601,"end":19364.099,"text":"對,我們現在表達之後如果沒有表達再給葉仁芝委員好嗎?謝謝委員關心這個高雄這一個城市的一個發展當時確實就我所理解是因為台積電進駐這個大高雄以後那整個半導體產業這個人才"},{"start":19366.561,"end":19389.828,"text":"市政府期待包含市政府在推動智慧城市都希望說有更多的引進更多優秀的這些學者當然清華跟陽明交大也一直都是學校的一個非常臺灣非常有品牌的一個大學所以大概希望能夠借重清華交大跟"},{"start":19391.233,"end":19414.103,"text":"他們的這個私資能量科研能量能夠來所以所以這個計畫裡邊他當然有一個先導計畫剛才柯委也特別提到就是原來的左營左營國中的一個校地以及這個聯談會館的一個校地大概是這樣所以"},{"start":19415.123,"end":19437.994,"text":"我想是不是能夠著以凍結要求這個陽明交大跟清華能夠真正有一些commitment願意來真正來投入這一個私資能量跟他們的許多的這些人才來支持城市的一個發展以上謝謝"},{"start":19439.852,"end":19466.588,"text":"所以你要針對部長的部分是好,那萬美玲委員好,OK好,謝謝召委部長講的我都能接受而且我也覺得這個方向很好但是還是一樣早上的時候我們有在講說因為這個預算怎麼審查我們就端來看這個計劃碼這是我們的天職所以早上的時候是因為連計劃都沒有就要我們同意這個9.7億那現在是指這麼多委員在這裡你就印了一本來"},{"start":19467.248,"end":19485.606,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管48所國立大學教育部主管48所國立大學教育部主管49所國立大學教育部主管50所國立大學教育部主管50所國立大學教育部主管50所國立"},{"start":19487.648,"end":19517.117,"text":"就是我們現在早上我有提到說要協助引進優質大學進駐合作那現在這個優質大學今天就是已經這個揭曉了叫做清華大學跟陽明交大但我又有一點點擔心喔因為各位也知道清華大學跟這個陽明交大是真的很棒的學校但最近看起來承嵐的業務其實不少包括他在我們桃園要做醫療專區然後還要做一些什麼科技園區什麼這類的MOU也是過期了現在也做不出來"},{"start":19517.737,"end":19526.14,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":19541.3,"end":19558.711,"text":"針對這邊還有沒有委員要發言的?那個動多少可能還沒有,因為還有一些委員的案子剛剛都沒有回應誒。因為我們剛剛早上已經說,就是還是整節一起動啊。對,但是63要先另外處理,因為9億多誒。"},{"start":19567.716,"end":19589.226,"text":"還是可以一起跟到七十五一起決定要動多少好不好我們就依照剛剛的原則稍微我們就是討論出來然後之後加總嘛那你現在你如果沒有的話那你到最後一個大帽子下來如果說假設我們整個這樣子第二幕然後你一個大帽子下來說兩億很多但是它是相對值不是絕對值這一幕有兩百多億耶"},{"start":19590.146,"end":19612.646,"text":"那我們現在就針對603案部分到底大家先討論出來一個概念那之後最終加總起來也一樣啊副議那個部長有意見我們讓他表達一下齁針對這個預算處理方式所以是不是因為我覺得這個清華跟陽明交大的一個承諾這個是很重要的所以是剛才洪委員也特別具體建議凍結3000萬"},{"start":19614.548,"end":19624.76,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":19633.59,"end":19636.233,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管"},{"start":19648.507,"end":19664.094,"text":"不知道我要怎麼為這個9.7來背書那再加上剛才還有一點部長又提到了說那我們的陽明交通大學跟清大他要能夠來承諾把這個計畫做好9.7豈能讓他說一個承諾你總要有一些計畫出來嘛"},{"start":19665.515,"end":19667.996,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第11屆"},{"start":19680.922,"end":19685.063,"text":"我們同意萬維園真的從頭到尾對這件事情非常的在乎不過容許我我剛看了一下這個所剛拿到的他不管是在各層樓的規劃還有他在這個舊左營中心南區兒童之家聯談這個會館這都是我非常熟悉的地方他們的確是做出了一些的規劃但是呢我覺得也同樣的就是說我們這只是在硬體的部分然後我們比較在乎的特別是"},{"start":19705.347,"end":19725.123,"text":"陽明清交還有這兩個學校裡面到底他未來能夠投注多少的人力還有多少的部分來這是我們所concern的還有有沒有機會能夠再跟我們在地的不管是中山或者是我們的成大能夠就更擴大的裡面有更好的一個空間這是我們希望預算裡面要看到的所以"},{"start":19725.683,"end":19746.338,"text":"左傾提案的委員是否可以讓我們用3000萬的方法,侯孟凱的方法,然後來讓他們提出更完整的一個計畫,那這是我認為在目前所看到的計畫當中是左傾我們的委員可以用這樣的方法讓他們提出更完整的計畫了,但是一切尊重朝委好不好。"},{"start":19747.919,"end":19751.74,"text":"科資安委員希望針對63案因為剛剛部長同意這案單獨處理比較好動3000萬我不同意我覺得應該這樣講我們不要說要全數動"},{"start":19763.884,"end":19787.987,"text":"雖然它還在熱還沒散掉但是我回去我會仔細去看我們不要說把它全動因為的確有一本計劃在這裡但是那個比例上面9.7億後面要拉出100多億我們如果用9.7億各位所有的今天的委員連看到內容都沒有看我們要用3000萬我們摸摸自己的良心過得去嗎所以9.7億我可以不堅持但是3000萬我是絕對不同意"},{"start":19789.623,"end":19809.788,"text":"當然啦,剛剛客製會員一直在跟我講,一直在跟我講說這個對高雄很重要我有跟客製會員表示,我知道,其實這個不管落腳在哪裡,我都沒有意見不會因為有政黨這種問題,高雄要提出一個有一個舊的左營國中,我覺得很棒那高雄市相對也要付出很多的心力跟人力,我們願意促成這件事情可是真的,審預算沒有人這樣審的"},{"start":19811.088,"end":19838.015,"text":"因為它每個像USR也都一大本就如果沒有狀況大家都是簡要描述所以我想教育部也不是故意的那吳佩儀委員要發言這個因為有高雄的委員委託我希望我可以幫這個計畫爭取預算那因為清大也是我的母校尤其科技這個科技的產業也是我們現在國家重點發展的方向那這一個教育的計畫同時跟產業也有很高度的關聯"},{"start":19838.795,"end":19853.403,"text":"所以我其實甚至認為凍結3000萬都還是太多了那我覺得委員如果對這個計畫裡面哪一些具體的項目有意見其實都是可以提出來監督跟討論的但是若要以說在審查之前沒有拿到完整的計畫書版本的話"},{"start":19855.004,"end":19866.499,"text":"那恐怕今天所有的案子也不是每一案大家手邊都有一個完整的100多頁的計劃書那是不是我們要先暫停審查所有的每一案的這個計劃書通通完整版的都先拿來我們才能夠開始能夠繼續後面的討論呢我希望這個標準還是希望朝委能夠維持一致性好 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這樣這個影響會非常的知識體大所以我是希望說這個審查的標準大家應該要統一啦那究竟說"},{"start":21252.975,"end":21256.778,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":21278.967,"end":21300.457,"text":"謝謝吳佩儀委員再來是洪孟楷委員我想我們都是立法委員為選民負責李懿代表的天職就是監督預算、把關預算並且督促行政部門好好的做事這個標準要一致有委員剛剛先拿這個案跟臺北流行醫院中心來比較完全的不同"},{"start":21301.383,"end":21327.745,"text":"台北流行樂中心是文化部籌建它是行政院文建會為了扶植臺灣音樂產業所提出來的計畫換言之是由上而下行政院文化部有計畫去找相關的土地然後編列預算然後去做並且跟台北市政府簽訂代辦協議由台北市文化局籌備以及未來營運"},{"start":21329.626,"end":21352.982,"text":"談妥之後來去運行這個計劃自始至終從頭到尾看起來就是由下而上地方政府報計劃來教育部編列預算然後給予而且沒有任何所謂中央付多少地方付多少地方的這個所謂的這個配合款沒有這就完全不同嘛"},{"start":21354.025,"end":21381.535,"text":"那你教育部的角色在這裡面是什麼?我們看即便是到目前為止臺北市政府這個所謂的臺北流行音樂中心它的所有人所有者是文化部跟臺北市政府那未來我請教這個所謂的國家重點領域研教中心園區它的所有者除了高雄市政府以外我們教育部的角色在哪邊?"},{"start":21383.324,"end":21405.77,"text":"這第一個為什麼我講是說我們在這個案子其實完全不同而且是過去我幾乎沒有看過有類似的案例是由下而上上面只負責出錢沒有任何的前期計劃規劃然後就是地方政府到處來我們完全全額買單然後就給予這第一個第二個部分不要倒因為果"},{"start":21406.758,"end":21424.663,"text":"我們很多的計畫其實預算審查坐在這邊當然都要做功課那有很多的預算的部分因為它可能是長年性的編列所以我們已經了解了我就不需要說每一個案子都需要請教育部門或行政部門提供相關的計畫不然照理講本來就應該啊"},{"start":21426.092,"end":21445.142,"text":"今天我們能夠坐在這邊審查就是因為我們都了解各特定項目預算的一個編列而其中這一個案9.7億只是建設計畫真正硬體的施工施作是連同設備購買高達138億在第93頁高達138億而這一些數字在一個半小時前我們都不知道"},{"start":21457.552,"end":21484.317,"text":"這些數字在一個半小時前我們都不知道那我們當然應該要針對這些計畫來去做好好的討論所以本席我覺得也很明確我一開始我講是說9.7億我沒有要阻止任何縣市做建設因為我覺得只要留跟留臺灣在我們所有臺灣各縣都好只是你教育部門要說明為什麼就只有這個案子那麼的特別"},{"start":21485.157,"end":21511.496,"text":"那還有能不能做到你真的到位你未來有什麼樣的管控機制、督導機制、監理機制要求高雄市政府拿了138億之後做到他當初計畫上來的一個目標方向所以我才會提出說凍結3000萬請我們教育部門回去針對我剛剛講的這些東西我想大家都是公務人員"},{"start":21512.799,"end":21530.108,"text":"很明白清楚我現在講的東西吧我們未來教育部五年之後教育部對這個園區一點辦法都沒有這個園區做得好做得不好有沒有做到位我們教育部如果說沒有任何督導能力的話大家可以接受嗎"},{"start":21531.448,"end":21559.107,"text":"我還是維持我凍結3000萬我希望主席這邊能夠剛剛部長也已經說是可以接受的所以我希望部長接受那還有就是未來當然也有委員我的部分是這樣但是我更希望看到的是你們之後做的報告怎麼樣加強管理督導督促這個園區的部分這才是教育部應該要有的角色"},{"start":21560.279,"end":21565.643,"text":"以上謝謝謝謝侯孟楷委員因為針對這個案子侯孟楷委員是希望動3000萬剛剛柯真偉也是3000萬教育部這邊應該也同意這個案子動3000萬我是五分之一"},{"start":21578.372,"end":21580.353,"text":"五分之一五、九、六、三、六、四"},{"start":21596.517,"end":21596.717,"text":"陳培宇委員主席"},{"start":21622.153,"end":21643.778,"text":"那我覺得這樣好不好啊徵求大家的意見啊不然就是這一題因為其實也姿勢體大那是不是我們乾脆就保留送協商好了好不好那我們自己各自大家也回去更了解這個結巴那3000萬不能解決的話我想大家都同意我們就這案喔就是涉及917換這個596364917換這個我們保留送協商因為我們現在要保留嘛對不對到時候教育部來的時候可不可以請他具體說明啊就是說這個案子的來龍去脈到底是什麼"},{"start":21650.76,"end":21675.542,"text":"因為現在看起來是高雄市政府去申請的我留一分鐘就好申請的然後教育部是基於什麼樣的條件標準在這麼RAF的情況之下直接核定100準備要給100多億我覺得這個是大家想要知道那同時間就是各縣市可不可以比照這樣標準因為我是來自於新北市我們以前新北市國教署以前有一個新興人口成長區高中"},{"start":21676.403,"end":21694.069,"text":"公立高中以下的一個新建工程計畫沒有通知我們新北市就是說我們被漠視成這樣但是高雄可以提計畫然後就直接可以核定我認為我覺得教育部應該要說明清楚到底各縣市在跟教育部申請預算的時候它到底是根據什麼樣的標準來核定"},{"start":21696.13,"end":21716.8,"text":"謝謝我想到時候政黨協商有興趣的人都可以去參加教育部會說明的那因為主席剛剛都沒有針對這個發言這個第一頁我覺得講得很清楚雖然報告我也常寫這個每個億的跟這種人文社會的其實不一樣不代表這個上億就要一千億他第一頁就寫主要是台積電"},{"start":21717.941,"end":21743.632,"text":"要在中游高雄煉油廠設置7奈米跟28奈米製成的晶圓廠象徵著南部半導體產業聚落的新興發展與台南科學園區、陸足科學園區及橋頭科學園區等等等形成南部半導體S廊帶核心我想他這個就有解釋這個地理的原因啦那剩下部分因為我們已經決定送協商了那我們就不再討論了好不好好那我們就回來針對那個第一節齁"},{"start":21747.213,"end":21763.245,"text":"二、是第23案到75案我們整體要動多少來討論好嗎?羅廷偉委員然後張雅玲委員因為前面大家有發言過一回合嗎?好上半段我對於我自己的這個38案學習歷程"},{"start":21766.647,"end":21787.942,"text":"好像有回答我是說有請蝦皮下架是這樣嗎?有通知蝦皮了齁?那請問一下有通知那個幫忙提供這個服務的業者請他不要再做這個服務行為嗎?跟委員報告我們目前是通韓電商如果有遇到這樣的狀況可以下架"},{"start":21790.12,"end":21801.554,"text":"聽不出來就是我的建議就對了就是說我們遇到問題應該解決問題現階段看到學習歷程造成很大的困擾而且服務範圍內容就PO在蝦皮"},{"start":21804.076,"end":21831.858,"text":"那你沒辦法根絕怎麼處理學習歷程所帶來的困擾、學習的困境、孩童的不同意甚至有委員做過簡單的民調去問學生學習歷程對他們來說很大的困擾而今天我在這邊提出這個案子你直接回答我哦我有通知蝦皮下架了那你有辦法通知不要提供這個服務的所有人請他們不要提供這個服務嗎答案是不可能嘛"},{"start":21832.739,"end":21844.21,"text":"那不可能你就應該要回到學習歷程重新來檢討這個政策到底執行哪裡出了問題為什麼大家都不喜歡學生反應不佳"},{"start":21845.393,"end":21864.313,"text":"而不是只是一句話告訴我蝦皮通知下架了那還會不會有人在上架那除了蝦皮呢FB會不會有這樣的服務IG會不會有這樣的連結我想針對問題應該回到源頭所以我剛剛就是在故意用這樣子的問題來問你你有辦法去下架每一個人提供服務嗎"},{"start":21866.229,"end":21892.887,"text":"好那個葉次長要回你然後待會陳培文要發言跟這個羅委員報告齁其實關於學習歷程這件事情齁其實在新的年度其實我們在做很多事情齁第一個就是說剛才其實說剛才提到說在蝦皮上面這些賣其實我們現在最重要更重要的源頭是讓學生知道說這是沒有用的事實上我們在包括像這個我們新政府上任之後我們這段時間幾乎每個週末去所有的高很多高中去宣講跟家長宣講達到"},{"start":21893.928,"end":21910.638,"text":"家長都理解這件事情就是說你今天買的別人幫你做的其實我們提供很多教授面談的狀況讓家長就知道說教授一問發現這不是你做的其實很容易就出包了其實他們分數會很低所以其實是我們要讓孩子知道說這件事情這樣做其實對他是有傷害的"},{"start":21911.098,"end":21939.168,"text":"那在這一部分我們新的年度會做更多的事情比如說像過去以來學習歷程這些事情我們一直沒有一個課本沒有一個書來教孩子說怎麼做學歷程那之前我們做了一個手冊其實做得蠻不錯的那個民意調查學生說有看到這個手冊都覺得對他很有幫助可是我們以前做法一個班只有印三本那我們在新的年度我們就開始要做的是包括把書印出來每個學生一本還要跟課資師一起合作有一個整個配套"},{"start":21939.908,"end":21966.674,"text":"讓學校的課資師要帶著孩子去從這本學習歷程的手冊去學會怎麼做學習歷程所以我想跟委員報告說我們在新的年度這一塊包括演講包括這個做這個這個學習手冊還有包括跟課資師學校的整體課程跟課資師跟導師的整體的聯動這部分還有真人這是我們在新的學年度會做我想我相信這種做下來會跟以往的這個成效會很不一樣我想跟委員做個報告謝謝"},{"start":21969.549,"end":21996.582,"text":"陳培宇委員發言我剛聽到關於學習歷程的部分那我就想說就回應一下剛剛次長您說的如果按照您剛剛的說法相關的老師或者是學生都會收到你們的協助那我就額外提醒我們要改變那個預算的部分就是關於家長的部分他們其實也很需要協助因為有的時候孩子們很多的焦慮跟恐慌其實是來自於家長的過度教養那我想我們不能只有看到學習歷程的困境"},{"start":21997.202,"end":22009.722,"text":"我會說他是一個比較新的時代的做法其實我們大人跟小孩都還在適應當中以上先給教育部一個鼓勵希望你們後續在相關業務上真的可以讓家長、老師、學生都更有感謝謝"},{"start":22011.311,"end":22026.838,"text":"好 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謝謝我其實就補充一下啦我想這個培育剛剛講的我非常的認同所以我相信這個除了我們現在這個次長剛剛所報告的那我們朝這個方向做我覺得非常的對那家長的這一塊"},{"start":22027.438,"end":22055.109,"text":"其實你可能也要透過什麼樣的方式?像我知道你現在駕駛到好多地方做演講但是你一己之力其實有限那要怎麼做?我想說是不是能夠思考一下那有什麼樣的好的想法也可以告訴我們那為了鼓勵你們這麼棒我決定這個三十案我改成主決議好,三十案改成主決議那再來有沒有委員要發言?那個林...對葉仁芝抱歉葉仁芝先在林倩請"},{"start":22057.978,"end":22081.785,"text":"學習歷程我這邊有36案那我覺得學習歷程當然理想很豐滿但常常落實到執行就現實很骨感那實際上他的那個經濟弱勢學生他的提交比例未提交比例是上升的從24.66到42.25那代表說教育部一直要希望推廣多元表現可是在執行面上面沒有辦法達到效果"},{"start":22082.485,"end":22105.351,"text":"教育部回我們的理由是說尊重每個學生尊重可是實際上就沒有達到你們的效果所以我們不是要聽到答案是尊重他們如果是尊重的話那你根本不用訂那麼多教育政策你應該是如何提出解決方案導引他們做到你想要的政策目標我覺得這是教育部必須要回應的然後我這邊還有一個27案"},{"start":22107.284,"end":22107.464,"text":"預算學者計劃"},{"start":22126.127,"end":22152.61,"text":"整個環境對於學術的貢獻所以我希望說教育部能夠做一個評估到底我們延攬的這些預算學者實際上對我們學術到底造成哪些真正的效果不能以人數來當作一個指標而且在科別方面有沒有譬如說有偏重特別哪些領域然後有些領域就比較被忽略像我這邊得到數據是六成的學者通通聘在理工科"},{"start":22152.97,"end":22174.41,"text":"但是相對來講人文科的大概就只有在大概4點多趴。我覺得這樣的一個比例是教育部覺得你們可以接受的嗎?你們覺得你們就是想要導引就是重理工輕人文嗎?還是怎麼樣?然後再來我這邊還有一個是吳三岸"},{"start":22175.7,"end":22193.596,"text":"五十三案還有後面六十二案並案一起講最主要就是執行率的問題所以希望教育部能夠說明一下這個執行率要怎麼提升謝謝好 那個剛剛郭育晴委員要發欸 林倩琪喔然後郭育晴然後張雅玲"},{"start":22197.602,"end":22224.749,"text":"謝謝趙偉還有各位同仁那我這邊提了26案那這一案當然教育部次長協同相關單位我們有做了一些溝通那最主要是你們在援助民族的這個教育的這個部分那進行了多年那目前呢在110到114年這邊你們在做完了之後呢那112年那審計部這邊也有一個調查那很清楚的"},{"start":22225.189,"end":22228.272,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":22243.524,"end":22243.684,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":22259.717,"end":22262.32,"text":"另外,我們談到ROTC這樣一個模組可能後來在我們談的狀況當中我們比較傾向領域導向在所謂頂尖優質的大學裡面去透過這樣一個主題的規劃"},{"start":22275.271,"end":22277.893,"text":"未來課程及未來人才培育"},{"start":22306.114,"end":22312.928,"text":"我同意把它變成主決議但是我們還是試圖要從未來的方向去調整一下原先的一些落差"},{"start":22317.074,"end":22339.575,"text":"業次長現在希望先回一下林委員這部分因為我們上次談過我們就遵照辦理那剛才葉元之葉委員剛才因為葉委員對那個玉山計畫比較關心我想跟委員報告我想玉山計畫我們現在最重要的重點其實是要幫助大學去攬財去國外這個特別是很多是國外優秀的學者回來那目前其實我們"},{"start":22341.297,"end":22364.054,"text":"並沒有重理工青銅只要學校覺得這個是世界級的人才然後在他們領域他們覺得這是重要他們都可以報上來那我們在新的年度我們也做了很多的改變因為過去其實是都要到三級三省學校都要確定了要聘這個人我們才開始來省那我們現在為了要幫助學校能夠更有效的去國際增強人才所以我們在這一塊其實就是變成是學校"},{"start":22364.714,"end":22378.153,"text":"校教評會、系教評院院覺得OK了他就可以來申請所以我們在新的年度也是有很多的變革但是也跟委員保證我們其實並沒有重理工輕人文並沒有規定說只有理工可以聘"},{"start":22379.235,"end":22399.269,"text":"各個領域的學校只要覺得是世界級的人才都可以聘都可以送上來只是我們就是讓學問召集人我們有分五個領域有人文的、理工的這些都有他們各自去審他們主要是召集人跟委員覺得這個是不是世界級的人才這個其實是我們並沒有以領域去區分我想跟委員報告一下"},{"start":22401.031,"end":22402.191,"text":"國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":22422.185,"end":22438.727,"text":"一、四學年度大學報上來的時候他們現在在全年一、四學年度的招生總人數大概快兩千人所以這個percentage已經越來越接近差不多是2%所以我們現在就是因為學校也越來越多學校認為這些學生是比較知道自己要什麼然後"},{"start":22439.207,"end":22445.811,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立"},{"start":22461.098,"end":22487.824,"text":"我們是希望這個percentage還是可以再往上啦因為其實為了要成就每一個孩子他們的願景嘛那我想這個特殊選材其實對於資源比較比較不足的一些孩子其實給他們一個比較能夠穩定的一個支持啦那我想這個部分可能還要再加油雖然到2%對我來講我覺得還是很少的我們現在接下來還會跟這個青年領航計畫會做連結然後還會有另外一批外加名額在那邊所以人數會再更多了解了解"},{"start":22488.505,"end":22490.662,"text":"好,謝謝各位主委,再來張雅琳委員。"},{"start":22493.269,"end":22522.909,"text":"我的案子是第68案我擔心我剛剛一直沒有聽到我想要的那個KPI的部分就是說我想這個其實跟葉元梓委員剛剛問的問題有點像就是我們提了一些計畫可是我們好像看不出來我們到底有沒有去review我們之前的一些計畫然後在未來的目標之後要怎麼去設定一個目標讓自己可以去改善像這個就是在針對於特色領域研究中心我們雖然把它放進這個高等教育生跟補助計畫那現在是一個延續第一期的一個計畫那第一期到底一個執行成效好不好"},{"start":22524.09,"end":22551.887,"text":"第二期目標設定要多少學校可以做跨域學校呢?多少學校可以進行跨國合作呢?這目前我都還沒有聽到一個比較明確的數字。好,跟張委員報告特色領域中心這一塊確實是我們教育部現在開始很關注的我們大概是明年3月會做全部的他們的review那我們在新的一期我們會要求他們要做國際有更多的連結比如說像"},{"start":22552.728,"end":22577.343,"text":"第一期我們這部分比較沒有要求但第二期開始我們要做這些要求比如說你是一個特色領域中心你應該要在這三年內你要搶到因為像韓國他們的這些大學能夠在國際上有比較多的能見度就是他們都在搶國際的一流的conference最高等級的學術會議在臺灣開所以我們會要求這些特色領域中心要把他們領域全世界最重要的學術會議要爭取到在臺灣辦就是有"},{"start":22579.184,"end":22584.849,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":22602.023,"end":22621.062,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管47所國立大學教育部主管48所國立大學教育部主管48所國立大學教育部主管49所國立大學教育部主管50所國立大學教育部主管50所國立大學教育部主管50所國立"},{"start":22623.144,"end":22628.007,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":22648.922,"end":22676.782,"text":"好 周偉謝謝 我是第69案69案其實也是過去大家都很關心的幾個一個議題就是所謂新南向政策而造成我們有很多的這個國外的學生來到臺灣但是過去也發生過這個學工的一個狀況我們最近也有很多的這個民眾也反映跟有看到這樣的一個現象就很多的這個大飯店飯店早上"},{"start":22678.475,"end":22685.16,"text":"6點多7點就會看到有一群穿著學校制服的人走往飯店"},{"start":22686.414,"end":22688.655,"text":"教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管"},{"start":22708.662,"end":22725.892,"text":"過去也詢問了就是說不管是我們現在的這些相關的一個評鑑那雖然有這個評量的一個措施可是都比較屬於是責定校外實習機構的一個程序規定那但是我們現在到底有沒有掌握目前有多少外籍的學生是有在臺灣"},{"start":22727.173,"end":22747.178,"text":"而多少外籍的學生他在做實習他做的是什麼樣的一個實習的工作以及他實習的狀況是不是真的名副其實而不是會讓外國的學生也會覺得是說到時候來到臺灣並沒有真真正正的學習到華語能力專業技術知識而變成廉價的學工"},{"start":22748.138,"end":22752.04,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部"},{"start":22768.368,"end":22782.982,"text":"新南向政策來變成是說他來臺灣變成是學工的話我想這也不應該所以是不是能夠再給我補充一下說到底現在我們掌握的狀況以及在外實習然後還有說各領域的部分我們到底現況有多少位以上謝謝"},{"start":22784.281,"end":22784.401,"text":"議事長回應"},{"start":22815.381,"end":22842.149,"text":"好記者室這邊補充喔那剛剛委員提到了穿制服應該是喬生產系啦那喬生產系因為是在技高階段所以有可能穿制服那跟委員報告實習一定是課程的一部分今天你是機械系你念機械系你的實習場域就不會是到餐廳不會到飯店這個實習場域一定跟你系所要培養的核心能力的訓練是有關的"},{"start":22842.609,"end":22869.735,"text":"所以針對我們大專的部分我們的課程他來跟我們申請開班我們都還要看課程還要看他的實習場域所以這塊一定是我們非常重視的另外我們也要求學生的華語能力你既然在臺灣留學不能說四年大學畢業華語都不行所以我們現在有要求大一結束你的華冊沒有到A2"},{"start":22870.815,"end":22877.678,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":22896.986,"end":22904.311,"text":"總共有600多案喔所以今天如果不到350案的話明天會處理不完好不好請大家節省時間有些問題想要詳細問以後質詢問這裡就針對自己的提案然後也請教育部這邊檢答"},{"start":22927.446,"end":22947.614,"text":"藝人知請簡單講因為我講太久就會被你打斷第一個那個宿舍的部分好像沒有回答怎麼提高執行率這是第一件事情第二件事情是有一個國外旅費那時候你們講說因為要去捷克那為什麼要去捷克可不可以說明一下你們出國交流的計畫"},{"start":22949.234,"end":22968.559,"text":"跟葉委員回報那個早上有談到就是說我們學生宿舍的問題那在我們新宿舍運動裡頭有三支計畫一個是協助學校的老舊宿舍來進行改建第二個部分是既有校舍如果他能夠教學空間能夠改建為宿舍的話我們也會予以補助第三個就是說"},{"start":22969.699,"end":22989.325,"text":"新建宿舍向銀行貸款1億元利息補貼社會住宅社會住宅的部分主要是針對學校幫忙學生跟校外的因為學校通常住到的宿舍學生太遠了不願意住所以我們現在有檢討我們的比重"},{"start":22990.965,"end":23010.032,"text":"會放在前三項當中那有關於社會住宅我們的床位數也已經向下調在114年度會往下調所以我們的檢討方式會著重在前三項的一個工作目標的一個執行然後主要是要達到10萬床的一個學生宿舍的一個改建"},{"start":23011.878,"end":23038.28,"text":"出國的部分因為我們國內的一個12個大學的大學學術聯盟現在分別有跟美國、捷克、日本這幾個國家的一個大學聯盟有進行簽約所以這個部分是我們配合這個我們大學聯盟簽約的一個國家那捷克是有ICE有13個成員的一個學校所以我們有安排去捷克做參訪"},{"start":23039.746,"end":23051.254,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":23070.566,"end":23093.879,"text":"413是國遣署,那要不要我們就講是說,這個召委的權利我到時候會斟酌,程序問題我先提嘛,您不要那麼緊張,有人呼籲你的程序問題,我本來講是說,如果說到413的話,那後面,因為我今天早上有看到是體育署有來嘛,那要不要體育署這些就後面的部分,413之後的部分,官員如果沒有就可以先回去辦公,"},{"start":23095.031,"end":23123.217,"text":"我覺得這樣子 那我們明天我們也許今天我們就是做到413那明天我們從413之後開始做也是一個辦法那我覺得說這樣子大家會比較有效率那我一定是完全配合我們今天的審查今天到第幾案是召委的權利那但是414之後的可以先回去這個我可以同意好不好沒有委員反對的話就是好 副議414以後的體育的今天應該都沒有希望了請你們先回去上班休息"},{"start":23123.997,"end":23131.601,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":23151.303,"end":23152.643,"text":"羅廷偉委員你有意見要表達嗎?針對凍結的數字不夠"},{"start":23179.597,"end":23206.657,"text":"學習歷程我沒辦法接受啦那你直接說一個數字叫我們比較有效率處理好不好因為大家不滿意的到時候解凍案都現在就是那個9.7億的部分已經拉掉了嘛 對不對喔那所以是要在75萬之前市長意思是說3000嗎我是可以接受啦"},{"start":23209.053,"end":23235.568,"text":"我可以接受,因為後面還有一半羅廷維委員,這邊好多委員都接受3000萬了,好不好?因為你的不滿意的話,到時候可以不讓他解凍好嗎?可以啦,可以啦好啦欸,3500啦我要再多一個抱怨啦抱怨完我就3500就好教育部是不是就接受了我們接受的時間,好,3500我可以抱怨嗎?"},{"start":23237.028,"end":23237.649,"text":"三十秒抱怨"},{"start":23240.529,"end":23249.315,"text":"因為我們現在到數字的時候就不要再針對實質議題了好不好好我們聽到了好那24到75案書面報告然後動3500萬書面報告之後再處理好那我們現在進入76到116案那我們就從因為這邊可能蠻多委員的剛剛是從後面過來那現在從萬美林這邊過來我就不用記順位那沒有的就跳過去"},{"start":23268.587,"end":23293.102,"text":"好 謝謝我們現在是在第二節嘛我都是80案、84案、88案跟93案那80案的部分的話因為我們談到了其實本席最關心的也是現在很重要的即職教育來了那我們現在一直希望能夠強化即職教育的這個學制特色等等我們現在這個預算8億多但是我們看到"},{"start":23294.182,"end":23318.462,"text":"現在都說少子女化那一般大學跟記職其實這個招生都非常不容易所以我們看到在這個停招的這個學校當中15校、13校就是記職學校已經高達將近九成了那上次我在質詢完畢以後教育部好像也沒有特別提出來說有什麼更積極的一個作為那提的案子就是3加2後來再加2的一個新五專模式"},{"start":23319.102,"end":23343.293,"text":"可是竟然現在這個3加2加2新五專模式之於計值教育是這麼重要可是我看到,不曉得我有沒有漏看,等一下教育部回覆一下我看到在預算書裡面只有第五頁兩行字提到3加2新五專模式其他的相關計畫完全沒有那如果新五專這件事情教育部覺得是很重要的一個計畫在可是你也沒有編列相關的經費"},{"start":23344.634,"end":23371.745,"text":"然後我們早上到現在也一直在講相關的這些媒合的平台、機制或者是應該怎麼做難道通通都不用經費就可以做我真的蠻好奇的那再來我覺得我們在就是我記得我開過一場公聽會那場公聽會當中是談小子女化家具私校退場那很多的專家學者其實都認同3加2的新武專模式可是我現在跟那個次長也說過很多次了"},{"start":23373.285,"end":23391.03,"text":"三加二加二、一加四、好多現在我們技職生本人學校的老師跟家長其實是不撒撒所以你若有好的政策但是家長或學生不會採用我覺得那非常可惜所以我希望說"},{"start":23391.51,"end":23398.353,"text":"所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管114年度教育部主管12年度教育部主管12年度教育部主管12年度教育部主管12年度教育部主管12年度教育部主管"},{"start":23417.455,"end":23437.787,"text":"二十四案的部分的話我就特別要講我就直接講因為質詢說也講過就是大漢技術學院我們都知道其實他在他決定要停招的那個時候也沒有財務惡化也沒有失資不足但是他就片面決定要停招當然教育部說那是他董事會就是學校他們的決定不過"},{"start":23440.248,"end":23454.609,"text":"這個無預警的片面停招其實爆發很多爭議而且我非常的擔心會引起連鎖效應因為我們不管是私校法裡面有做一些相關對私校的規範或者是私校退場條例那我認為"},{"start":23455.871,"end":23473.42,"text":"今天如果我們讓大漢工技術學院這樣的模式讓其他的私校看到了以後會不會有可能私立學校就想說好那我就循著這個私校法我有另外的考量打算或是我不想走到最後校產被沒收的私校退場的時候"},{"start":23473.92,"end":23474.02,"text":"第88案"},{"start":23492.771,"end":23509.821,"text":"第88案我們看到這筆預算高等教育112年跟113年編列是2億8但是114年我們現在的預算要來到9億9今天我看很多預算成長的幅度都很高成長了240%"},{"start":23512.362,"end":23519.288,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":23535.862,"end":23538.464,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":23552.013,"end":23573.438,"text":"在企業跟學校的配合當中有沒有去干擾到校園的治理又或者是在這個校產上面的不清不楚等等這一些我也認為這個部裡面還沒有做出一個很好的規範跟方式去監督所以這個部分是不是也可以請那個待會再給我做一個說明那再來我還有一個案子就是93案"},{"start":23576.936,"end":23592.258,"text":"九十三案其實這個是剛才那個司長在回覆洪孟凱委員但我覺得還不夠詳盡我特別講一下我們現在因為反正就是少子女化我們招生不足所以其實我們有很多案子吸收這個橋外生來談流血可是我們看到幾個現象"},{"start":23593.399,"end":23595.901,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":23615.215,"end":23621.701,"text":"第三個,監察院都有針對國際留學生來臺的亂象提出來。簡而言之,也曾經發生過假留學真打工,甚至於假留學真打工之後也造成我們在勞動市場上很多的亂象出來。"},{"start":23638.094,"end":23658.976,"text":"這一些都是我們在積極這個新南向政策或是僑生招生的當中我們沒有去注意到的所以我們就是感覺人來了學校有學生了可是衍生出來的問題其實變得更多了所以以上都是我要在這些案子當中我有提了一些凍結不過等一下我們可以來討論病案凍結"},{"start":23662.337,"end":23662.918,"text":"林倩琦委員"},{"start":23678.522,"end":23696.202,"text":"在這個部分我有提了78案那這個部分我在質詢的時候也一直很關心也就是在教育部這邊提出了國際產業人才的這個教育專班那本來是因為他其實有點技職的導向因為企業這個需求"},{"start":23697.443,"end":23700.184,"text":"教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度"},{"start":23717.349,"end":23741.605,"text":"分部規劃的一些國家這是臺灣產業的一些需求但是臺灣產業也在國際間的一個佈局我們也需要相關的人才能夠遍佈全球所以這跟我們一直在討論的STEM領域也是有相關但是目前這邊產生的問題其實在剛才其他的部分也有委員提到"},{"start":23742.105,"end":23759.704,"text":"那我相信這變得很普遍也就是第一個就是黑工的問題那我相信在過去新南向產學合作的一些國際專班就有產生了外籍學工、黑工的爭議那教育部這邊應該都登記有案了那所以呢等於是在督導上"},{"start":23761.225,"end":23781.26,"text":"每次都講教育部督導不周但事實上每一個學校的你們這所謂的多元的管理上好像也都真的沒有辦法完全的顧及到那這個部分到底能夠怎麼處理那另外還會導致它產生這個現象的一個變數就是很多廠商在中間的媒合"},{"start":23781.98,"end":23789.164,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":23800.631,"end":23825.473,"text":"第二部分是STEM利益良好但入取率不足這跟本席之前關心的關心這個系列原本是因為原住民的這個部分結果後來發現你們在執行上目前也是有一點困難就是入取率不足你們在回我辦公室資料的時候這一年秋季這個達成率也很低"},{"start":23827.435,"end":23856.014,"text":"每個計劃在剛開始可能也需要有一些過渡期但是這個第一看起來我其實直接把那些list大概自己簡單的做了一些分析就是說我們國家產業的一個發展方向全球的佈局然後跟我們能夠招到的人然後跟真正我們的這個網絡能夠接收到或出去的我覺得很大的落差那這個其實中間的know-how會導致我們的這個成效那其實大家做的都辛苦"},{"start":23856.894,"end":23868.336,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功"},{"start":23882.159,"end":23891.144,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":23905.432,"end":23929.846,"text":"答成率很重要但是中間的know-how如果只為了答成率就有導致其他的問題那這就是我們經常我覺得現在就是政策有個方向但是那個know-how好像大家想的都太簡單就如同我們剛才討論的一些問題它需要一些時間去規劃去醞釀然後你也要先模擬一下實際操作的狀況要不然大家都累結果答不到那每個人都為了要"},{"start":23930.566,"end":23942.514,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":23956.024,"end":23967.868,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":23979.972,"end":23979.992,"text":"獲得獎項獎項"},{"start":24003.013,"end":24023.352,"text":"為了達到目標現在看起來有點模糊所以我這邊除了我剛才講的那幾項以外那我也希望教育部你們要把目前在台灣的僑生在什麼領域人數大約有多少你們的統計那另外外籍生在台灣又是什麼領域人數多少"},{"start":24023.832,"end":24047.794,"text":"我還是要做一個交叉比對我再幫你們抓如何know-how把它做好建議有些細節的問題以後質詢的時候再問那今天就講跟你的預算凍結有關的就好了好嗎大概就這樣一個很大的主題我這裡面大概就提這一案當然這一案的包含的層面很廣好那謝謝那個林委員再來是那個誰葛如君委員有要發言嗎這個部分"},{"start":24048.982,"end":24078.048,"text":"稍早我有提過就是12月16號有召開第12次的全國科學技術會議那因為我想這個科技很重要那我們如何是很明確的從現在就要講清楚未來的發展我們才跟得上科技的變化那同時這個101案引導學校發展多元特色及教學創新我們也非常重視因為在歐美或其他的先進國家每一個學校都有它的特色"},{"start":24078.908,"end":24098.82,"text":"但是我想葉市長或者其他的官員同仁大概都有經驗就是說我們一直在講大學的排名結果排到最後呢變成各校的追逐的這個KPI或者是指標變得趨向一致那他要比賽我也要比賽"},{"start":24099.38,"end":24100.501,"text":"主管教育部主管教育部主管"},{"start":24121.021,"end":24121.401,"text":"多元、科技、強項"},{"start":24135.427,"end":24150.155,"text":"好這邊是91、92併案主要就是也是針對外籍的學生來臺灣一直平平非非報出來是有假留學兼工作我記得之前聯合報吧也做了兩大版的深度的報導"},{"start":24151.195,"end":24173.425,"text":"那,教育部好像都沒有針對這個事情做一個具體的檢討,就到底要怎麼去解決這個問題,只說什麼要成立什麼專班啊,然後去檢查什麼之類,可是並沒有一個決心把這個問題解決,所以我這邊是動解,建議先動解兩億兩千萬,等到真的把這個問題把它有一個解決方案的時候再解凍,謝謝。"},{"start":24176.098,"end":24202.955,"text":"吳佩儀委員我也是關心外籍學生在臺灣從學期間的實習環境的問題那教育部有來跟我討論因為我關注是靈敏技術學院越南的學生這一案現在教育部是跟勞動部未來會進行聯合稽查嘛針對高風險的實習場所然後另外會訂定產學合作實施辦法那醫院監察院也有給我們報告所以說我就不簡列"},{"start":24203.615,"end":24223.881,"text":"但是我還是要提醒教育部這個稽查跟剛講這個辦法一定要務必要落實因為技職教育是我們現在政府非常重視的這幾年品質有提升而且社會的可能也正在增加所以我們務必把安全性要把它顧好那另外我的第108案因為有來進行說明所以這樣我要撤案謝謝"},{"start":24224.96,"end":24229.022,"text":"臺師大之前的抽選案還有事後不當的回應研究了你的問題臺體大更誇張他們縱容教練把球隊聯賽參賽資格"},{"start":24243.51,"end":24255.893,"text":"附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":24273.337,"end":24289.668,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院"},{"start":24298.874,"end":24327.643,"text":"但是問題卻持續發生顯然就是可能效果不大所以我想要再請教育部具體的說明有哪些防弊措施有哪些是新增的然後以及監察院過去調查相關學工案的時候已經請教請教育部就研擬中的專科以上學校校外實習教育法草案盡快完成相關法制作業所以這個進度的話也請教育部一併的說明謝謝那這一個案子呢我可以跟其他的"},{"start":24328.203,"end":24328.464,"text":"一起來並案處理。謝謝。"},{"start":24334.019,"end":24359.23,"text":"我這邊先講第90案還有第104案90案跟第104案呢這個主要是要在在我們人才培育的這個業務那關於區域產業人才的培育呢我一直很care就是因為我在我的選區我們有非常多的中小企業反映說有需要有人才需求但是我們發現說我們不管是在我們的這個"},{"start":24361.211,"end":24366.536,"text":"產業人才培訓及相關計劃在我們彰化都沒有相關的業務開辦像我們的大專院校或是技職教育好像都沒有開辦相關的計劃跟規劃跟配套還有呢 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80案改組決議我們先討論數字之後再處理改決那個陳培委員要提議嗎"},{"start":25403.204,"end":25403.225,"text":"啊?"},{"start":25405.646,"end":25434.288,"text":"你要提議數字的?因為我剛剛你沒有講到那個體育的部分那幾所大學你們真的都沒有積極處理學生的權益受到影響相關的事情那哪一位補回應一下剛剛陳培偉的體育你們其實都知道是什麼案子嗎?我們都有來溝通過臺師大的部分我們這邊會請學校趕快把檢討報告提報到部裡頭來那如果它確實改善不上的話我們就會透過這一節的那個國立大學校務基金的基本需求的部分扣減它相關的那個基本需求不是只有臺師大的"},{"start":25434.428,"end":25437.309,"text":"臺體大臺體大那部分是他們把足球隊的權益轉賬他把那個參賽資格你講轉賬真的太客氣了啦他是賤賣"},{"start":25462.44,"end":25489.813,"text":"而且是不法的我們一直跟你們說你們要去跟監察院提起我知道教育部對相關大學的可以管制的方法有限其實范委員之前也一直提醒過大學法沒有修之前你們確實看起來有些摯愛難行的部分但是我覺得這個事情他就這樣輕輕鬆鬆地賣掉這真的太誇張了你們不是不知道?那七角聯賽這邊我們這邊也會來管控啦那已經發生的案子我們提醒你們要不要去找監察院幫忙就是去提起檢舉"},{"start":25492.711,"end":25512.912,"text":"這部分我們是不是後面我們這邊再來做一個那個啦處理啦沒關係我先尊重主席的推進但是我還是要講出來好你們就跟陳美玉委員討論是不是能夠送監察院好嗎他就說他有提議就是相關的弊端希望能送監察院好"},{"start":25513.493,"end":25533.526,"text":"那如果這樣子我們,葛盧俊委員你要發言是不是?因為我是有列簡列的齁,然後因為剛剛有提到計職的,我在計職院校裡專職任教了應該有七八年啦齁,所以有好的地方我都有看到,非常謝謝,但是有一些需要改進的地方我們也都非常清楚。那我們剛剛有幾個問題,第一個問題是計職院校的特色,"},{"start":25538.359,"end":25555.462,"text":"你剛剛就舉一個龍華,然後我們就喔好好好,我覺得也不是這樣子啦,就是說我自己或其他的記職院校的師生都非常清楚啊,明明記職院校應該有它的特色,結果為什麼跟大學院校的評比機制幾乎是一樣的?"},{"start":25556.303,"end":25584.974,"text":"每一間技職院校都在搶著寫論文每一間技職院校在評比老師、師生的時候都在搶著跟大學用一樣的標準然後自己在開校務會議的時候也在說我們要超越哪一間大學這個我覺得當然有它的精神所在但我覺得這裡面的問題是很根深蒂固的我覺得至少我剛剛沒有聽到很完整的回應這是第一個第二個我自己的案子在第101案為什麼我凍結的數量比較多其實還有一個是"},{"start":25586.384,"end":25605.649,"text":"這個我們在科技那有沒有要指定哪幾所大學或技職院校不管在AI、在機器人有沒有要做一些什麼樣的規劃那我們有提到12月16號的這個全國的科技會議教育部應該是去了兩次那到底接下來的策略是什麼"},{"start":25606.249,"end":25632.245,"text":"這是第二件事第三件事我echo一下羅廷瑋委員提到的這個實習的事情即使院校常常有這種很模糊的地帶老師說學生你就來幫我工作這算是一種學習但實際上我們都很清楚啦這個同工不同酬的狀況非常嚴重我們現在要重新審視的勞動的條件跟環境應該不只是成熟的勞動還有包含學生在學習時候的勞動我覺得這一塊"},{"start":25635.77,"end":25651.575,"text":"應該要在於簡要的說明,不然我覺得我們剛剛都好像都很nice,都沒有簡略,那到這邊,然後就好吧,那我們就凍結,然後說明,我覺得全國大,就是全國的師生、家長,不一定同意我們這樣做,謝謝。"},{"start":25653.342,"end":25653.522,"text":"業次獎要回應"},{"start":25668.322,"end":25668.462,"text":"委員會委員會委員會"},{"start":25685.044,"end":25688.809,"text":"教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管"},{"start":25704.668,"end":25733.948,"text":"所以這些基地他們本來在百工百業幾個行不同的產業然後我們要他們從這個產業再發展跟AI的連結那我們最近也跟這個蔡明順跟這個臺灣農智慧學校在談說我們要選一批技職大概50到100個教授去送給他們去做training我們要他們作為未來科大去幫百工百業做AI轉型的consultant所以這一塊其實就是未來的特色我想接下來這兩三年之內應該會發展的出來跟以上跟委員報告"},{"start":25735.469,"end":25751.682,"text":"實習這部分我再請市長檢要說好,針對學生的勞動權在我們現行的實習裡面就有提到假如你的實習是比較屬於工作型的就剛剛提到同工是不是有不同酬假如是工作型的就一定要比照勞基法"},{"start":25752.262,"end":25780.556,"text":"給學生相對的保障不管是實習津貼、他的權益保障等等是要跟他的員工是要相似的所以這個在我們目前的實習裡面都已經跟各校做這樣的一個規劃所以學生在簽這個三方合約的時候就已經明白他可以拿到多少的實習津貼等等這個是我們目前已經都有做一些的規劃市長我補充一下您剛剛提到的是表面上、檯面上的實習"},{"start":25781.716,"end":25805.604,"text":"現在計時院校裡面有一種臺面下的實習就是說我是教師我來上課我同學做設計啊我給你一個公仔結果公仔是企業提供的學生就說你們來練習怎麼畫畫公仔就把它畫完全部就是企業的成果就是這種是屬於課堂的這種模糊地帶"},{"start":25806.809,"end":25834.978,"text":"我必須要提醒這邊要關注一下就是說學習教跟學跟產之間有一個模糊的空間其實學生都很他也搞不清楚啊他就搞不清楚我現在在我在寫程式我在做東西老師出的功課剛好跟產業的需求一樣請問這是不是實習所以我覺得這個在麻煩之後也應該要所以我覺得我們再密切關注"},{"start":25835.658,"end":25860.104,"text":"有些問題大家以後可以在質詢的時候再深入討論我們這邊就盡量針對我們的凍結案就是大家把握時間那我們現在是不是討論一下76到116案剛剛教育部希望凍結2500萬那這邊有沒有委員有不同的數字教育部希望凍2500萬領域級委員希望2000萬"},{"start":25867.01,"end":25891.32,"text":"我們盡快做個決定好嗎?這個部分的話呢因為計職教育啊其實我們一定要很支持那尤其是現在計職生啊我覺得相對在學習的路上是稍微弱勢所以呢我想因為夜市上來以後對計職教育其實也蠻有想法的那我們希望能夠落實所以在這個部分其實我是會支持的啦我本來還想講兩千那你兩千五我就兩千五好 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謝謝陳培委員好 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謝謝那我們是不是就針對第三摸這邊大家希望一起並動多少錢那教育部這邊有沒有提案或是委員有沒有提案"},{"start":27461.344,"end":27474.534,"text":"我看一下大家的就是有兩千萬、一百萬、兩百萬高的也有一億的但只有一個其他三百萬、五百萬的那個張阿玲委員要發言嗎?你要提案數字提個數字我提個數字好了我提五百萬好五百萬好張阿玲提五百萬"},{"start":27489.325,"end":27489.566,"text":"陳培宇委員"},{"start":27504.212,"end":27524.767,"text":"那我覺得這樣好了啦大家稍微平均一下啦那我們就一千萬好不好好一千萬沒有異議的話我們就一千萬中等教育這邊動一千萬書面報告後解凍那有以下是改成主決議117案、121案、124案有沒有漏掉的"},{"start":27526.644,"end":27537.73,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":27552.943,"end":27556.044,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":27574.329,"end":27595.649,"text":"但是呢還是一樣我們很遺憾的看到這一次鬧得沸沸揚揚的海科館那海科館這個職場霸凌的事件不但產生職場霸凌事件而且這個機關的首長那時候人前道歉人後繼續秋後算賬那當然這個事件教育部已經有做處理了但是呢我們在針對"},{"start":27597.631,"end":27623.007,"text":"這個社教機構要做終身學習還要談性平去發生了這樣的事情那我認為除了說我們做得懲處了要怎麼樣更深刻記得而且引以為戒所以我想還是要請這個教育部不厭其煩以這個案子為例那來說明一下到底我們後面還可以做得怎麼樣更嚴謹以防再度發生這樣的憾事好再來林倩琦委員"},{"start":27625.963,"end":27650.463,"text":"好,謝謝召委我這個主題其實在許多業務單位都有但是我先提醒一下剛才其實在其他業務單位也講到有關於師資的這個部分所以兩個是連通的因為我這邊還是幫原住民的這個師資再做一下提醒也就是中高級的這個師資的人才的培育跟中高級人才能夠來"},{"start":27651.624,"end":27654.785,"text":"教導原住民語言教導原住民語言教導原住民語言教導原住民語言教導原住民語言"},{"start":27677.856,"end":27705.393,"text":"然後有一些大家已經習以為常而且很接受的相關語詞那你們必須要先做個溝通讓大家普遍有機會知道然後再去做執行而不會在你們配合政策但是地方有很多的聲音的情況下而導致在你們政策上的一個阻力那我這邊先做以上的補充那我就跟其他的案一起做處理好不好好 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郭玉琴委員請"},{"start":28155.831,"end":28162.096,"text":"好這一幕的部分呢我是144案喔那我想這個去年的12月24號平安夜凱凱走了喔她在被凌虐了114天之後離開了我們那在剛好今天12月25號我們正在審查預算的同時他們現在正在開所謂的準備程序庭那也許已經開完了或者還沒開我也不知道喔但是我想這個是全台灣大家都矚目的一個焦點喔那為什麼我會特別提到這個"},{"start":28184.554,"end":28199.108,"text":"因為在兒福聯盟改例署之前其實我們的教育部也是它的直屬的主管機關那我相信我針對這個凱凱案已經連續的質詢了大概至少有8次以上了齁"},{"start":28200.608,"end":28205.55,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":28222.116,"end":28223.578,"text":"教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部教育部"},{"start":28242.677,"end":28270.038,"text":"所以臨時改了所謂的這個群組的對話去更改他們篡改工作的紀錄的這個部分你們是持續的還是會追究這個兒福聯盟的一個責任那在這邊呢其實我是堅持全數凍結啦但是呢如果說這個金額其實沒有特別的我想五百多萬但我想如果之後我們要嚴加的控管底下的一些基金會或者是財團法人的部分我想這個部分呢"},{"start":28270.618,"end":28279.205,"text":"教育部的確應該要拿出點魄力,所以這個部分其實我是堅持的。好,謝謝,以上。好,謝謝。那羅廷威委員。好,我是醫事劉岸。"},{"start":28288.228,"end":28313.714,"text":"我還是要再次強調其實我們剛剛看到有其他委員對於這一次這一幕這一節有關於這一個案子當中我看到有其他委員凍結30%我只有一時一時凍結1000萬我要講的是說其實我們面對這個國家語言發展法第3條第4條已經明確的去告知大家我們的母語的地位臺灣各族群使用的母語地位應該一律平等"},{"start":28314.474,"end":28333.667,"text":"我想在這個部分上本土語言課綱對於本土語言的分類有閩南語、有客語、有原住民語那我想這個定義已經清楚的規範那如果真的只是將這個政治意識形態放入到這邊的話我覺得大可不必但是但是我強烈的支持"},{"start":28347.235,"end":28362.482,"text":"147案有委員有提到國家語言發展報告裡面有提到40歲以下使用閩南語在溝通的聽跟寫是越來越少那我要跟大家講是我們的課綱有沒有被檢討"},{"start":28363.806,"end":28385.096,"text":"我們有沒有好好的讓孩子更容易去學習到我們的本土語言這才是回到我們的教育端的源頭去處理我要再講一個案例我剛剛有稍微測驗一下我寫的這一句話問現場官員施奶是什麼意思"},{"start":28386.607,"end":28398.643,"text":"公司的施奶奶的奶施奶是什麼意思?很多人沒辦法說明這一個是什麼台語答案是塞奶"},{"start":28401.486,"end":28415.288,"text":"但是我要講的是說這種用字出現在我們的課本裡面讓孩子在學習的過程面臨了更大的一個困境很多人說不如去看八點檔"},{"start":28417.148,"end":28433.565,"text":"我們的課綱出現了問題所以我要再次的強調甚至網路有人說我們在凍結是想要剪掉台灣人的舌頭這個是非常大的一個指控跟標籤我們支持讓更多的人開始講台語"},{"start":28436.364,"end":28465.042,"text":"這個我們一定而且我們希望國家語言報告可以顯現出來的是數據持續的攀升提升讓更多的國人來使用這樣子的語言所以我這邊凍結一千萬我希望好好的有一個具體的作為讓課綱也好讓教材也好讓整個學習的過程更加順利讓使用人數聽跟寫的程度持續的攀升再來予以解凍使用這一筆錢謝謝"},{"start":28465.862,"end":28487.211,"text":"好 謝謝那我們現在請教育部簡短說明還有最後我要幫吳春城委員這邊講一下他的143案有關於這個終身教育這邊改成主決議所以我幫他講一下這樣還有我的135也是改成主決議好不好好 謝謝那教育部簡短說明好嗎"},{"start":28491.766,"end":28516.084,"text":"臺灣臺語"},{"start":28516.204,"end":28528.359,"text":"文化部主管機關文化部在113年也正式的發函給各部會來要求來我們來這樣來更改所以教育部完全是配合政策來進行的這個是跟委員做一個報告那另外在"},{"start":28530.384,"end":28536.628,"text":"因幼兒的閱讀及親子共學因幼兒的閱讀及親子共學因幼兒的閱讀及親子共學因幼兒的閱讀及親子共學因幼兒的閱讀及親子共學因幼兒的閱讀及親子共學"},{"start":28547.594,"end":28557.844,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":28572.478,"end":28590.973,"text":"那有關委員提到134案有關這個就是對兒少比較友善的這部分他也跟委員報告就是我們現在針對這個科學類像科博館、科工館我們已經讓包括他的那個展場的那個高度還有像多一些跟會考慮到這個兒少的"},{"start":28594.336,"end":28609.663,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、"},{"start":28619.452,"end":28627.834,"text":"陳秀寶委員的140案停止教育謝謝委員改成主決議我們會繼續加強141案有關交通教育的部分交通安全這部分其實目前比較多會發生的都是在於高齡的還有在兒少的這兩塊所以我們現在大概"},{"start":28648.84,"end":28658.6,"text":"會盡量去推這個家庭交就是交通安全的話就是會會盡量去讓他們是針對這個所謂的理讓的一個這樣的一個文化然後讓"},{"start":28660.921,"end":28687.706,"text":"讓用路人都會注意整個交通的情況特別我們針對兒少的部分我們目前有五套的課程針對國小的低年級、中年級、高年級針對國中、高中各有不同的各個階段層他們應該注意的事項都有來提醒落實在教育上面另外委員提到147案就是剛才這個"},{"start":28689.046,"end":28695.507,"text":"有提到那個臺語認證的這部分那有提到就是他的辨識力那跟委員報告目前大概"},{"start":28697.132,"end":28708.383,"text":"提供給臺德的這一部分我們現在在108年發展出來這個語料庫已經提供給這個臺德這部分來參考那目前我們現在正在收集的就是從111年到115年我們陸續在收集會有一些相關的一個可能會高達2000萬字的這樣的一個語料庫還有口語的有3000個小時的語料庫"},{"start":28719.734,"end":28730.129,"text":"我們預計在115年會提供給臺德來做進一步的辨識那像我們跟委員報告就是我們明年就會發展一個現在進行招標就是有關臺灣台語的語音輸入的APP"},{"start":28736.257,"end":28759.592,"text":"剛才有講到長者他們可能講但是他不知道那個字那我們希望說他講可以出現台灣台語的字或者是出現華語的字那這樣子後續在他在使用上面就會有好處那甚至這個APP也可以從這個字回過頭來等於說他可以發音那就可以達到這個教育的效果那我們這次明年這是我們發展的一個重點跟委員做一個報告"},{"start":28761.153,"end":28786.31,"text":"另外有關這150案有關這個樂齡學習中心這部分謝謝委員我們確實現在在彰化縣的這個學習中心是比較多那後續我們會再考慮到包括彰化市其他的縣市那另外我們也會來導入有關這些有關樂齡的一個有關科技的應用的一個示範的一個場域能夠來提高高齡者他們對於這個數位的一個親近"},{"start":28788.792,"end":28793.494,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學教育及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學教育及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":28807.339,"end":28817.834,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關"},{"start":28824.423,"end":28853.483,"text":"好 那有關羅廷委員講到146案這部分齁那語言的部分 剛才談到有關臺灣教育部我們現在部裡面是分成兩個部分一個是跟108課綱無關的我們在今年的9月大概都完成所有一個名稱的配合行政院跟文化部的一個這樣一個政策已經做改變那跟108課綱有關的會後續會進入108課綱的一個討論那好 那剛剛委員有提到說是不是40歲以下的人是不是比較少跟委員報告齁"},{"start":28855.148,"end":28859.289,"text":"因為過去五年來,裡面我們去統計參加臺灣臺語認證的一個對象有高達48%是學生48點多是學生那老師大概高達百分之三十幾也就是說現在這樣臺灣臺語在配合我們現在進行所謂的電腦化的測試對於年輕的學生是越來越"},{"start":28876.795,"end":28894.988,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學校院教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立"},{"start":28907.556,"end":28907.656,"text":"陳培委員"},{"start":28924.634,"end":28943.574,"text":"好 謝謝主席做出明快的決定不過剛剛已經有很多委員提到家庭教育我覺得你們現在真的困境就是錢太少那這件事情我們剛剛有喊話部長我們就再一次喊話部長明年度要編列預算的時候真的要把家庭教育這一塊再編列更多謝謝部長 謝謝主席那時候沒做好我們就反對解凍好 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什麼要去發這個東西就是因為民防法權動法裡面有規定說一定要組學校防護團可是你又組不起來因為你只要一組你只要一發同意書你就造成學校恐慌造成家長恐慌所以沒有的東西我就想請問一下教育部這件事情到底要怎麼去阻礙國防到底要怎麼去阻礙自我防衛能力請教育部說明清楚現在哪些學校有學校防護團"},{"start":29785.391,"end":29808.431,"text":"請您在今天一樣說明清楚,如果沒有的話我們就減列兩千萬。好,吳佩儀委員。我的提案,第154案也是關於校園販毒,特別是依托名職,因為這個是行政院有專案列管的,所以務必要讓家長看見我們改善的成效,這樣我改成主決議。"},{"start":29810.721,"end":29810.881,"text":"陳佩儀委員"},{"start":29825.854,"end":29842.122,"text":"關於192案是關於學生輔導法關於學生自殺的部分那我想相關的數字教育部都有講過那我們期待學輔法通過之後相關執法可以儘速修訂完成希望在6個月內謝謝"},{"start":29847.174,"end":29870.914,"text":"提案是155案那也是針對於學輔法的部分就是說因為其實我們在2014年我們是有針對這個學生事務局特殊教育行政與督導編列了28億那其中呢也要來說明說我們如何增加人力呢會透過月薪制的學生助理人員禁用所以就變成是會採取月薪制和時薪制並行的狀況"},{"start":29871.875,"end":29889.341,"text":"同時針對實行證達到800小時的時候會有考核增加5%最高為20%所以我這邊是想要知道啦人力補足規劃的一個時間表啦以及我們檢討這些專服人力的薪資的時候明年會不會有可有沒有可能來召開相關會議的討論謝謝好謝謝陳秀寶委員"},{"start":29895.453,"end":29907.132,"text":"謝謝主席我在這個這一幕裡面有4個案子第159案的部分是關於兒少犯罪率上升的這個議題這個本席之前在執行的時候就有諮詢過教育部但是我們從數據上來看警政署的統計"},{"start":29911.198,"end":29936.983,"text":"一百一十二年的少年刑疑犯較上年度增加了一千人征服高達百分之十二點九四所以這個兒少刑疑犯的人數持續的增加而且裡面比較多的類型是詐欺以及兒少性剝削的這個征服暴增許多那我希望教育部這邊應該檢討我們在法治教育及品德教育方面是不是需要精進而且要以不同年齡層的兒少可以接受的方式"},{"start":29938.769,"end":29964.466,"text":"而且還要再調查那兒少涉案的原因因為很多時候是可能他們不知道這是在從事詐騙為什麼他不知道這樣的行為是犯法是觸法的我們必須要說宣導並且調整法治及品德教育的內容避免兒少誤入歧途這個部分我還蠻堅持說這一案要凍結跟其他的委員也可以一起來討論金額第170案的部分是關於性平教育的這個業務"},{"start":29967.318,"end":29995.198,"text":"其實我們各學校的校務人員如果涉入校園性平案件的時候呢我們家長會很焦慮其實學生也會很焦慮那我們擔心說對學生會有不良影響我們在處理的時候常常是針對當事人但是呢之前本席的選區有發生一個案件是校長傳出性平案件之後呢造成家長跟學生的焦慮那在性平案件時候我們如果只處理當事人的話其實在校的學生也會造成不良的影響所以我希望說本席"},{"start":29996.619,"end":30024.077,"text":"教育部在研議,能夠研議說如果學校發生性品事件對於在校的學生,所以不是當事人以外的其餘學生也必須予以關心因為他們在他們很焦慮的狀況下他們會討論,可是越討論這個事情會好像渲染得更嚴重然後他們在補習班、在安氣班都會一直不停的被詢問學生就怕到他們不敢去上課因為其他學校的學生一直在問這個事情他們本身如果說沒有在學校我們老師給他們比較大的一個"},{"start":30025.858,"end":30027.86,"text":"教育部提出相關輔導機制的評估報告第177案是關於校園維護與防止學生藥物濫用"},{"start":30044.482,"end":30070.7,"text":"但這個部分我相信說我在質詢的時候也質詢過說關於校園防護跟學生這個藥物濫用的這個我們如何來防治然後對於我們不同的年齡層這個藥物濫用的這個種類我們也要去了解相關的那另外我在這裡面要提到說關於這個教育我們的心理輔導諮商管道這個部分呢教師經由這個"},{"start":30073.442,"end":30087.07,"text":"管道來尋求協助的人數也是增加的可見我們的教師們也承受很大的壓力那我會希望說我們相關的這些機制能夠更健全但是有一些縣市他們從112年到113年11月底兩年的時間沒有教師使用過這個專業輔導的這個諮詢及這個輔導服務"},{"start":30100.238,"end":30123.348,"text":"這個現象並不表示說這些教師們不需要可能是他們沒有這樣的管道去尋求這樣子的協助所以說這個所謂的教育局所辦的這些相關的教師的相關輔導機制夠不夠完善那為什麼會沒有人去使用到底是真正的原因是什麼我希望說我們教育部這邊也要督促來"},{"start":30125.41,"end":30128.115,"text":"來落實相關的機制第189案的部分是關於"},{"start":30132.034,"end":30156.804,"text":"身心障礙學生升學這個部分那教育這邊你們有來說明說已經有修正公告身心障礙學生升學輔導辦法明定各大專校院將必須提供相關的名額參與深藏真識那114學年度的招生名額也已經增加102名我是可以接受你們的說明但是因為其實是因為家長有反應說"},{"start":30157.884,"end":30177.741,"text":"各占別的名額分配不均雖然還沒有開出名額但是因為各身心障礙學生的狀況他們所分配到的名額會不公平所以這個部分我也希望說你們要持續的來關心保障身心障礙學生這個權益那這一案我是可以改組決議以上好 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重點會放在地方政府在緊急的狀況需要人力資源的時候如何跟高中以上的大專員下建立緊急聯絡網"},{"start":32664.355,"end":32686.107,"text":"重點會放在緊急聯絡網的部分那學校要做什麼呢學校就回到剛才講依照它的課綱該上全民國防教育課該上健康護理課落實正常的課程培養學生所需要的緊急應變自己安全的防護跟健康救護的專業能力那當然學校也會有防災演練防控避難演練等等"},{"start":32687.327,"end":32705.813,"text":"綜合性演練培養學生實作的能力但已經跟青年扶勤切開來了民防法及全民防衛動力整理法分別是內政部及國防部主管的法律在教育部的立場我們只會做要求"},{"start":32707.193,"end":32728.271,"text":"你需要人力資源應該先找民防團當民防的人力都不夠了需要到青年服務群的時候才向學校來請求人力資源那一塊也僅止於避難引導、社區關懷、公共服務跟行政支持絕對不會有涉及到軍警的勤務這個部分是教育部的底線以上說明"},{"start":32729.491,"end":32745.275,"text":"主席要講一下因為剛剛有委員不在其實有些說明剛剛都講過了那委員不再回來的時候又重問一次又重講一次那這樣也蠻浪費在場的委員的時間好嗎因為現在他已經是第二回合了我們是不是就針對第五幕要動多少錢我們直接討論好那個林議經委員你是不是剛剛要提案動的數字因為我們上一幕"},{"start":32755.799,"end":32780.809,"text":"因為我們上一幕我們動了一千兩百萬那上一幕的預算數36億那這一幕的預算數是28億所以我想說反正有個比例原則那大家也都有提一些意見那我想那個因為也要有我們滿意的書面報告才能解凍所以我想是不是就先動個五百好不好五百萬林議金委員提議動五百萬"},{"start":32782.887,"end":32798.401,"text":"主席第五幕但是我堅持我沒有要並動所以我是要在第五幕的第一節裡面的四分支預算四校園安全維護與防治學生藥物濫用的這一個科目一億七千多萬裡面凍結三百萬謝謝"},{"start":32804.718,"end":32812.633,"text":"就是175到175到175到179我們剛剛的原則就是一起並動好嗎沒有我沒有要並動"},{"start":32813.823,"end":32833.372,"text":"我已經講了,我沒有要並動。並動與否是委員的權利,我沒有要並動。就是175到179的這個項目分支項目四,校園安全維護與防治學生藥物濫用的這個一億七千八百多萬的這個預算科目裡面,凍結三百萬。謝謝。"},{"start":32836.92,"end":32849.195,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":32857.885,"end":32882.12,"text":"動捷500你這往上加是不是因為毒品太嚴重了另外我想臨時動議一下是不是可以大家決議一下就是讓那個教育部長眼睛閉起來我覺得他好像不是很舒服我鼓勵他可以眼睛閉起來我覺得他真的眼睛不太舒服謝謝我覺得那個全民國防那個司長還是講的不是很清楚不清不楚啦而且之前給的資料也是錯的"},{"start":32883.24,"end":32907.668,"text":"那如果這樣子混過去我們也沒有在監督啦所以小新的案子是簡列兩千萬我覺得就不要簡列我給他一個機會我們凍結兩千萬請他給一個清楚的說明到底哪些學校有學校防護團學校防護團跟全民國防有什麼關係然後會不會影響到我們的國防會不會影響到我們小朋友的自我防衛能力只要提出一個完整的計畫就解凍"},{"start":32910.738,"end":32936.221,"text":"這個有委員搖頭不同意喔那主席裁決我們第五幕就整個送協商好嗎保留送協商我們節省時間好整幕整幕我們就第五幕整幕送協商剛剛我的這一個部分不是部長已經同意了就凍結300萬剛剛你300萬他又要喊到500萬我怕等一下已經就處理不完了對啊那為什麼要整幕送"},{"start":32938.066,"end":32949.017,"text":"因為剛剛又有這個針對那個因為要趕時間 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尊重委員嘛那這個部分就凍結五百萬那針對書面報告之後解凍針對剛剛那個"},{"start":33002.946,"end":33009.542,"text":"針對剛剛誰主張幾千萬的是羅廷威委員嗎?是哪一位?一人之那個部分我想就送政黨協商"},{"start":33011.305,"end":33016.008,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案二、繼續審查114年度教育部及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":33033.639,"end":33035.8,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":33062.543,"end":33068.977,"text":"市長希望動1500,如果1500大家同意我們就不送協商了好嗎?就500加1000,1500啦好不好?"},{"start":33076.5,"end":33079.622,"text":"一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查一、繼續審查"},{"start":33103.933,"end":33104.353,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":33119.269,"end":33146.614,"text":"可不可以?對不起,張委我再徵求發言一下好不好?正式徵求發言一下萬美玲這個最後發言我徵求發言一下我想因為我們還要審查我們教委會還有很多預算要審查如果我們只是討論到一半然後就都要去送協商也不過就是這個幾百萬的差距我個人覺得其實不好啦我覺得我們再花時間再討論一下我認為這個沒有必要去送協商如果按照這樣就送協商我們教委會幾乎就全部送出去了"},{"start":33146.994,"end":33168.743,"text":"那我們今天委員在這邊幹嘛呢?剛剛大家都在認真討論喔!因為這題已經討論滿久了喔!那吳佩儀委員你要發言是不是?這個那我是不是可以建議一下因為大家主要是針對學校青年服刑同意書這一件事嘛那這件事我也認為根本不需要發這同意書教育部也檢討了那原先月圓之委員的提案是凍結200萬我剛剛也說支持了那陸地業委員的提案是凍結1000萬那所以說如果現在你們要講2000我確實覺得太高了是不是就凍結1000萬?"},{"start":33175.353,"end":33180.178,"text":"大家如果可以同意的話是不是就凍結一千萬那就不要送賢商了好不好"},{"start":33181.377,"end":33200.24,"text":"好,好啦,那教育部同意,那我們大家同意凍結1000萬,書面報告後解凍,我們就不送協商了。對,書面報告後解凍,這一個要講清楚喔。那前面的500萬剛剛已經同意了。對,講清楚喔,好,謝謝。好,那這一幕就處理完了。對,這一幕處理完了,以下是改成主決議的,大家聽一下喔。154、160、161、167、187、189,改成主決議。那我們,好。"},{"start":33209.321,"end":33209.501,"text":"193到228案"},{"start":33238.642,"end":33253.119,"text":"我是202案我們對這個精進計畫這個數位資訊科技融入教學有些學校的開機率真的天低那這個偏鄉開機率不到五成有些沒辦法上網、山區網路訊號這些問題"},{"start":33254.701,"end":33258.364,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學教育及所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學教育及所屬單位預算案"},{"start":33274.512,"end":33302.801,"text":"二、一案我想這個部分就是國際及兩岸教育的一個交流我想目前來台入學的管道唯一只能夠透過陸聯會那今天我想問一下教育部部長你說同意從第三地來引入這個陸生是對嗎嚴義中對嗎那所以我想這個也是給我書面資料那使得動之那讓我能夠確切的知道你們的具體作為謝謝"},{"start":33306.909,"end":33327.908,"text":"學習載具在不同的地區使用的狀況其實還是有一些落差啦那112年度是就是8萬5千多台使用率是高達90%但是有些部分地區它的使用率其實是蠻低的然後再加上一些報費或者是一些需要"},{"start":33328.148,"end":33333.752,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":33350.151,"end":33353.977,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案"},{"start":33365.885,"end":33388.061,"text":"好 謝謝那個陳佩玉委員是不是有 吳佩玉委員我的案子212案是有文書錯誤重複提案所以撤案213案是關於全球的華語教學因為我們非常的肯定臺美教育倡議的成果那我希望可以增加華語教學在全球交流的國家那這個部分已經有所討論我改組決議好 謝謝 可烏君委員"},{"start":33393.378,"end":33407.203,"text":"本席因為這個條目真的蠻窄的窄度很高所以我提了很多案子其實也是關心從194、195、196、197到204、207我想有一些質詢講過我就不再重講了但我必須要強調說我們教育部114年度也就是我們現在這個預算裡面只有編列"},{"start":33415.066,"end":33441.261,"text":"並列1.4億新臺幣資訊服務基礎違應的經費加起來不到4.6億各位要知道臺灣一天平均被詐騙金額超過4.4億所以我們整年度我們在用資安的預算只有4.6億這個規模要協助全國4000多所學校做資安防護"},{"start":33442.222,"end":33464.571,"text":"部長、次長、還有官員同仁們你們覺得真的夠嗎?我們在很多的事都講過現在各大專院校的電腦機房已經有出現被詐團被利用作為跳板的問題這個問題解了嗎?所以我們希望應該要很認知到這個計畫上到底有沒有缺漏那另外呢"},{"start":33465.211,"end":33483.331,"text":"我也有一個點是為什麼我們要做一些凍結的原因是因為我們發現這個report line不清楚到底大學資安發生事件以後通報流程到底是要通報高教師還是資科師結果答案是高教師本席認為現在整個教育的資安系統當中有一個很大的問題是資安系統"},{"start":33484.292,"end":33484.692,"text":"指揮部長何夢楷委員"},{"start":33512.284,"end":33540.354,"text":"好 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那我想我們現在就直接處理第6幕的那個凍結數字哪位委員要提議林一錦委員"},{"start":34277.088,"end":34281.731,"text":"第1屆委員提議動800萬第6幕啊從193到228108億喔193案到228案好那是不是大家覺得不滿意就直接提數字我們這樣子比較好討論"},{"start":34303.206,"end":34303.466,"text":"委員、委員、委員"},{"start":34324.918,"end":34334.041,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":34355.148,"end":34357.551,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":34372.05,"end":34400.141,"text":"十二案、十八案、二十五案、二十六案、三十案、三十一案、四十四案、四十九案、五十一案、五十二案、五十七案、七十四案、八十案、八十二案、八十六案、九十九案、一一案、一一五案、一一七案、一二一案、一二四案、一三三案、一三五、一四零、一四三、一四七、一五三、一五四、一六零、一六一、一六七、一八七、一八九以上都改成"},{"start":34401.121,"end":34425.692,"text":"主決議照案通過。好,那主席宣布我們今天到這休息,明天早上9點繼續。好,大家辛苦了。委員跟那個部長、次長、教育部的大家都辛苦了。部長趕快去休息看醫生這樣。如果明天審不完還可以有一天啊,不一定要兩天審完啊。沒有明天一定要審完啦。"},{"start":34427.994,"end":34454.894,"text":"市長辛苦明天加快速度吧,明天就國教室開水了啦對啊拜託啦,真的一定要做好做滿我們這可以擺,我們這可以放這裡嗎?放這裡明天繼續,應該不用動啦我的基本自己的東西拿走,但是這種東西應該放著吧對啊"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}