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第10案科技專案檢列3500萬元文陳亭飛等提案 第11案檢列1950萬2000元文邱瑩等提案 第12案檢列100萬元凍結500萬元文賴瑞榮等提案 第13案凍結20%文林大化等提案 第14案凍結10%文楊瓊英等提案"},{"start":2612.13,"end":2627.679,"text":"第15案,凍結3%委員陳亭飛等提案。 第16案,凍結1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案。 第17案,凍結1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案。 第18案,凍結200萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案。 第19案,政策研究與推動計劃,凍結1%委員鄭任前等提案。 第20案,凍結10%委員蔡業宇等提案。 第21案,政策研究與推動計劃向下業務費向下委辦費。"},{"start":2639.844,"end":2651.309,"text":"凍結2億元委員張祺凱等提案。第22案凍結1億元委員張祺凱等提案。第23案凍結200萬元委員蔡宇等提案。第24案公研院科技專案計劃凍結1⅓委員曾振前等提案。第25案其他法人科技專案計劃檢列100萬元凍結1000萬元委員蔡宇等提案。第26案檢列100萬元凍結1000萬元委員蔡宇等提案。第27案凍結5%委員陳超明等提案。"},{"start":2669.724,"end":2697.064,"text":"第28案,凍結1800萬元文章棋凱等提案。第29案,諮測會科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文證證前等提案。第30案,中科院科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文證證前等提案。31案,生技中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文證證前等提案。32案,紡織所科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文證證前等提案。"},{"start":2698.402,"end":2724.637,"text":"23案金屬中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案34案食品所科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案35案車輛中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案36案船舶中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案37案藥劑中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案38案"},{"start":2727.329,"end":2752.655,"text":"經濟中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。 39案自行車中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。 40案協計中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。 41案實資中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。 42案印刷中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。 43案"},{"start":2754.58,"end":2783.142,"text":"塑膠中心科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。 44案國衛院科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。45案仿托會科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。46案社員院科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。47案業學界科技專案計劃凍結三分之一文真正前等提案。48案凍結兩億元委員女育齡等提案。"},{"start":2785.133,"end":2810.781,"text":"49 49頁業學界科技專案計畫向下獎補助費向下對國內團體資捐助凍結一千萬元文章齊凱等提案第50案沿覽外國專業人才凍結五百萬元文李玉玲等提案51案凍結百分之十文謝一鳳等提案52案凍結五十萬元文賴瑞榮等提案53案數位應用與資安韌性凍結六十萬元文賴瑞榮等提案"},{"start":2811.448,"end":2838.381,"text":"五十四案推動資安韌性計劃凍結百分之二十文張家俊等提案五十五案推動投資審議智慧發展向下建制橋外來台投資全程線上化計劃簡列一百萬元文陳廷飛等提案五十六案凍結百分之十文蔡宇等提案五十七案凍結百分之五文邱瑩等提案五十八案凍結五十萬元文賴瑞榮等提案"},{"start":2839.011,"end":2867.405,"text":"五十九案一般行政凍結一百萬元文呂玉玲等提案六十案基本行政工作維持向下業務費向下特別費凍結百分之二十文張家俊等提案六十一案研究發展規劃管理凍結一千萬元文呂玉玲等提案六十二案凍結百分之二十文張家俊等提案六十三案凍結三百零九萬三千元文鄭天才等提案六十四案凍結百分之十文蔡宇等提案"},{"start":2868.359,"end":2875.245,"text":"65案凍結300萬元委員張祺凱等提案66案凍結5%委員陳廷飛等提案67案經貿談判凍結1500萬元委員李玉玲等提案68案凍結50萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案69案經貿談判向下業務費向下國外旅費凍結1000萬元委員張祺凱等提案70案國營事業管理檢列50萬元凍結100萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案"},{"start":2896.727,"end":2922.697,"text":"七十一案國營事業管理向下業務費凍結10%委員謝一鳳等提案七十二案基本行政工作維持向下業務費凍結二分之一委員張祺凱等提案七十三案綜合企劃凍結100萬元委員呂玉玲等提案七十四案凍結100萬元委員張祺凱等提案七十五案凍結100萬元委員蔡宇等提案七十六案凍結100萬元委員張祺凱等提案七十七案凍結20%委員張家俊等提案"},{"start":2926.928,"end":2952.245,"text":"七十八案公共工程管理凍結50%委員張其凱等提案七十九案失業管理向下業務費檢列50萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案八十案易駐臺灣電力股份有限公司檢列77億元委員陳昌明等提案第八十一案凍結三分之一委員鄭振淺等提案八十二案凍結1億元委員鄭天才等提案八十三案投資審議檢列50萬元凍結50萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案"},{"start":2956.274,"end":2971.06,"text":"84案 經貿人才培育及發展 凍結50萬元文賴瑞榮等提案85案 促進投資 減劣50萬元 凍結80萬元文賴瑞榮等提案86案 凍結5000萬元文陳昌明等提案87案 凍結10%文謝一鳳等提案88案 對橋外商在台或來台投資支付 凍結1500萬元文余玲等提案89案 凍結25%文張家俊等提案"},{"start":2985.806,"end":2998.599,"text":"90案對付外投資臺商之服務向下業務費凍結500萬元委員呂玉玲等提案91案吸引臺商回臺投資之服務向下業務費凍結300萬元委員邱志偉等提案92加速投資臺灣之服務計劃凍結672萬3000元委員鄭天才等提案93案凍結500萬元委員呂玉玲等提案"},{"start":3009.531,"end":3015.935,"text":"949494動結200萬元委員邱志偉等提案、95案動結5%委員邱盈盈等提案、96案研發測試場域整建作業檢列50萬元動結100萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案、97案全數動結委員張家俊等提案、98案動結2%委員陳廷飛等提案、99案動結1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案、"},{"start":3034.738,"end":3057.209,"text":"一百案一般建築及設備向下營建工程向下經濟部辦公廳設新建計畫簡列四十萬元文成停飛等提案一百零一案凍結百分之十委員歇一鳳等提案一百零二案至一百四十三案為主決議其中一百二十一案測案其餘請參閱二產業發展署一百四十四案"},{"start":3058.052,"end":3063.198,"text":"工業技術升級輔導、剪裂50萬元、凍結200萬元委員賴瑞龍等提案、145萬元凍結10%委員謝玉鳳等提案、146萬元凍結1億1158萬1千元委員鄭天才等提案、147萬元工業技術升級輔導、"},{"start":3076.898,"end":3085.764,"text":"發展新興與高科技產業檢列10%委員楊瓊英等提案148案凍結十分之一委員蔡易宇等提案149案凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案150案驅動國內IC設計業者先進發展補助計劃半導體國際連結創新賦能計劃凍結1%委員陳廷飛等提案151案半導體國際連結創新賦能計劃"},{"start":3107.887,"end":3132.596,"text":"152案再生能源產業化推動計劃綠能產業推動計劃動節二分之一委員鄭振前等提案153案動節兩千萬元委員呂玉玲等提案154案策進產業躍升與永續發展環境動節百分之二十委員林黛樺等提案155案動節百分之二十委員林黛樺等提案156案動節百分之十委員楊瓊英等提案"},{"start":3133.24,"end":3153.599,"text":"一百五十七案,凍結兩百萬元委員邱志偉等提案一百五十八案,凍結兩百萬元委員蔡玉等提案一百五十九案,策進產業躍升與永續發展環境向下業務費,凍結一千萬元委員邱志偉等提案一百六十案,獎補助費凍結一億元委員陳超明等提案一百六十一案,產業淨零"},{"start":3157.172,"end":3178.387,"text":"中小企業淨零轉型計劃、製造業因應氣候變遷策略計劃、檢列兩千萬元文成停飛等提案、162案凍結三分之一文真正錢等提案、163案凍結百分之十文真正錢等提案、164案產業淨零碳排推動計劃凍結八百六十八萬元文雀營等提案、165案"},{"start":3179.875,"end":3189.58,"text":"工具機產業價值鏈發展跨域整合推動計劃凍結3000萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 166案製造業數位轉型應用價值計劃結列500萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。 167案凍結5000萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 168案凍結4000165000元委員曾天才等提案。 169案協助產業升級提升競爭力布局海外市場計劃。"},{"start":3208.25,"end":3218.819,"text":"動輒2%委員陳亭飛等提案。 170案一般行政動輒10%委員楊瓊英等提案。 171案動輒100萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 172案工業管理檢列50萬元動輒100萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案。 173案建構國家安全化學與韌性永續計畫動輒200萬元委員邱志偉等提案。 174案動輒2%委員陳亭飛等提案。"},{"start":3234.428,"end":3238.712,"text":"175至185案為主決議請參閱3.國際貿易署186案財產收入向下財產支息增列500萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案187案數位貿易減列50萬元凍結100萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案188案凍結10%委員謝一鳳等提案"},{"start":3257.598,"end":3271.108,"text":"189案輔導減碳企業提升出口能量計劃凍結200萬元委員呂玉玲等提案190案國際貿易檢列100萬元凍結100萬元委員賴瑞龍等提案191案貿易行政與管理凍結1000萬元委員張家俊等提案192案興建國家會展中心凍結500萬元委員呂玉玲等提案193案2025年大阪世界博覽會凍結10%委員楊瓊英等提案"},{"start":3286.994,"end":3300.398,"text":"194案凍結5%委員邱盈穎等提案195案凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案196案凍結200萬元委員呂玉玲等提案197案凍結200萬元委員蔡奕宇等提案198案國際經濟合作凍結300萬元委員呂玉玲等提案199案補助廠商分散及開拓海外市場計畫檢列800萬元委員陳廷飛等提案200案"},{"start":3314.855,"end":3322.199,"text":"簡列50萬元凍結100萬元委員賴瑞隆等提案、201案凍結5000萬元委員陳昌明等提案、202案凍結5%委員邱瑩等提案、203案凍結300萬元委員邱志偉等提案、204案補助廠商分散及開拓海外市場計劃向下業務費凍結1500萬元委員李玉玲等提案、"},{"start":3337.372,"end":3355.864,"text":"4.標準檢驗局及所屬205案規費收入向下行政規費收入分裂200萬元委員賴若榮等提案206案建立度量衡及標準檢測驗證凍結三分之一委員林旦化等提案207案凍結150萬元委員賴若榮等提案208案淨林科技標準檢測試驗凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案"},{"start":3364.241,"end":3387.576,"text":"209案標準檢驗及度證管理凍結十分之一文參與等提案210案凍結五十萬元文邱盈等提案211案標準檢驗及度證管理向下發展檢視驗及技術服務檢列百分之十文楊瓊英等提案212案凍結九百萬元文邱志偉等提案213案凍結五十萬元文陳亭飛等提案"},{"start":3391.093,"end":3414.879,"text":"214案至219案為主決議請參閱5.智慧財產局220案行政副會費收入向下許可費增列500萬元委員賴瑞龍等提案221案智慧財產權科技發展向下智慧財產服務及業界運用效能躍升凍結5000萬元委員鄭振淺等提案222案凍結2000萬元委員李玉琳等提案"},{"start":3419.936,"end":3448.935,"text":"223案,優化自權資訊與產業應用服務計劃,凍結一千萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 224案,專利與產業媒合資拓廣計劃,凍結五百萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 225案,促進高齡科技制裁佈局能力,凍結五分之一文章棋凱等提案。 226案,新創產業加速審查,凍結兩百萬元文邱志偉等提案。 227案,凍結百分之五文邱瑩等提案。"},{"start":3450.715,"end":3463.746,"text":"228案推動保護智慧財產權向下國際合作及資料服務凍結500萬元委員呂玉玲等提案229案專利行政及企劃凍結1000萬元委員呂玉玲等提案230案凍結五分之一委員張其凱等提案231案專利行政及企劃向下業務費凍結50%委員張家俊等提案232案專利審查業務"},{"start":3477.576,"end":3505.139,"text":"凍結十分之一文章棋凱等提案233 著作權管理及保護檢列三十二萬九千元文章棋凱等提案234 案至237 案為主決議請參閱6 水利署及所屬238 案水資源科技發展檢列五十萬元凍結一百萬元文賴瑞龍等提案239 案凍結十分之一文章棋凱等提案"},{"start":3506.016,"end":3529.604,"text":"兩百四十案水資源科技發展向下業務費凍結五百萬元文邱志偉等提案兩百四十一案水利建設及保育管理檢列一百萬元凍結兩百萬元文賴瑞榮等提案兩百四十二案水資源企劃及保育凍結五千萬元文鄭振淺等提案兩百四十三案水資源保育及管理凍結五千萬元文呂玉玲等提案"},{"start":3530.117,"end":3539.159,"text":"244案水資源開發及維護凍結5000萬元委員鄭振前等提案245案水資源規劃及管理檢列10%委員楊瓊英等提案246案水資源規劃及管理向下業務費凍結20%委員張家俊等提案247案水資源工程凍結3%委員陳廷飛等提案248案水資源工程關湖南區水資源分署"},{"start":3560.625,"end":3578.329,"text":"動節10%委員邱志偉等提案。 249案水資源工程向下設備及投資動節5%委員陳超明等提案。 250動節1億元委員陳超明等提案。 251浮流水開發工程計畫第二期動節5000萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 252案離島地區供水改善計畫第三期動節1000萬元委員呂玉玲等提案。 253自來水工程動節200萬元委員蔡玉玲等提案。"},{"start":3592.966,"end":3605.833,"text":"254自來水地區供水改善計劃第5期凍結4億元委員鄭天才等提案255水利建設及保育管理向下河川海岸及海水環境營造凍結5000萬元委員鄭振淺等提案256"},{"start":3609.773,"end":3633.927,"text":"河川海岸環境營造計劃檢列一千萬元委員陳亭飛等提案。 257案凍結兩百萬元委員蔡英瑜等提案。 258案河川海岸環境營造計劃向下業務費凍結百分之五委員陳超明等提案。 259案凍結兩千萬元委員張其凱等提案。 260案凍結一千萬元委員邱志偉等提案。 261案凍結一千萬元委員邱志偉等提案。 262案凍結五百萬元委員邱志偉等提案。"},{"start":3641.369,"end":3655.834,"text":"263案,凍結500萬元文邱志偉等提案264案,業務費向下一般事務費,跨乎第五河川分署,凍結10%文邱志偉等提案265案,中央管流域整體改善與調適計劃"},{"start":3658.322,"end":3669.114,"text":"動輒500萬元文邱志偉等提案、266案水災智慧防災計畫第二期動輒6000萬元文余玲等提案、267案動輒1%文邱瑩等提案、268案地下水保預及水文觀測計畫動輒10%文楊瓊英等提案、"},{"start":3676.527,"end":3688.096,"text":"269案凍結300萬元委員邱志偉等提案270案地下水保育及水文觀測計劃向下業務費凍結20%委員張家俊等提案271案凍結1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案272案地下水保育管理及地層下限防治第4期計劃凍結2000萬元委員呂毅霖等提案273至288案為主決議請參閱七、商業發展數289案"},{"start":3706.943,"end":3716.228,"text":"促進商業科技發展檢列2500萬元文陳亭飛等提案、290案凍結1⅓文鄭振賢等提案、291案凍結1⅓文林大化等提案、292案凍結1⅓文蔡宜宇等提案、293案凍結10%文謝一鳳等提案、294案凍結5%文邱瑩等提案、295案凍結500萬元文邱志偉等提案、296案提升服務業競爭力"},{"start":3735.661,"end":3751.469,"text":"動結200萬元文秋智委等提案、297案提升服務業競爭力向下業務費向下委辦費動結6000萬元文陳超敏等提案、298案促進雲世代商圈數位轉型及永續發展動結1000萬元文呂玉玲等提案、299案營造服務業優質發展環境動結500萬元文呂玉玲等提案、300案"},{"start":3759.764,"end":3773.61,"text":"商業服務業創新與低碳發展,凍結5%文成超明等提案。 301案,凍結1%文成停飛等提案。 302案,凍結500萬元文邱志偉等提案。 303案,商業服務業創新與低碳發展,向下獎補助費,凍結4000萬元文成超明等提案。 304案,健全商業環境,凍結7000萬元文宇林等提案。 305案,推動商業服務業轉型成長。"},{"start":3789.552,"end":3817.96,"text":"動結一百五十萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案。 306提升商業服務業成長向下商業服務業深耕市場創價成長計畫動結一千五百萬元委員呂毅霖等提案。 307至311案為主決議請參閱。 8中小級新創企業署312案中小級新創企業科技應用向下運用科技創新轉型升級。 簡列百分之十委員楊瓊英等提案。"},{"start":3819.305,"end":3830.282,"text":"313案凍結三分之一委員林黛樺等提案314案凍結三分之一委員林黛樺等提案315案凍結百分之三委員陳亭輝等提案316案凍結兩百萬元委員邱志偉等提案"},{"start":3833.852,"end":3848.355,"text":"317案 促進中小企業發展與持續轉型計劃向下推動中小企業創新經濟開拓市場計劃 凍結5%五元蚯蚓等提案318案 凍結500萬元五元鋁玉磷等提案319案 凍結100萬元五元賴瑞隆等提案320案 中小及新創企業政策法制趨勢推進計劃 凍結500萬元五元渣渣菌等提案321案 新創加速成長計劃"},{"start":3862.664,"end":3888.679,"text":"動輒三分之一文政政前等提案、三百二十二案動輒兩千萬元文呂玉玲等提案、三百二十三案動輒百分之五文邱盈等提案、三百二十四案促進小型企業創新研發檢列六十萬元動輒一百萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案、三百二十五案動輒三分之一文政政前等提案、三百二十六案動輒四千萬元文陳昌明等提案、三百二十七案動輒兩百萬元文邱志偉等提案、"},{"start":3889.44,"end":3915.614,"text":"三百二十八案出境小型企業創新研發向下業務費向下為半費凍結一千萬元文章齊凱等提案三百二十九案中小級新創企業發展凍結百分之十文謝一鳳等提案三百三十案凍結百分之十文謝一鳳等提案三百三十一案中小級新創企業發展驅動企業創新共融發展向下業務費凍結十分之一文章齊凱等提案"},{"start":3916.334,"end":3922.115,"text":"232至339為主決議請參閱9、產業園區管理局及所屬340案、園區產業升級、減劣50萬元、凍結100萬元為耐熱籠等提案341案、產業園區跨區低碳轉型整合推動計畫"},{"start":3936.636,"end":3944.258,"text":"動輒50%文張家俊等提案、342案動輒500萬元文呂毅凌等提案、343案動輒300萬元文邱志偉等提案、344案動輒5%文邱瑩等提案、345案原區產業供應鏈協同與任性轉型輔導計劃向下業務費、向下委辦費、減列300萬元文賴瑞隆等提案、346案產業原區工廠危險物品查訪計劃"},{"start":3966.929,"end":3967.809,"text":"三百五十二、三百五十三為組決議請參閱。"},{"start":3997.189,"end":4009.839,"text":"實地質調查及礦業管理中心354案地質及礦業科技發展檢列80萬元凍結150萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案、355案凍結100萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案、356案基本地質調查向下業務費凍結10%委員蔡宇等提案、357案地質敏感區劃定審議及查核凍結200萬元委員呂玉玲等提案、358案礦業行政及輔導"},{"start":4026.031,"end":4037.817,"text":"動結10%委員蔡宇等提案、359案土石資源及爆章物管理、檢列10%委員楊瓊英等提案、360案動結50萬元委員邱志偉等提案、361案地下水保預及地限防治第4期計劃動結220萬元委員邱志偉等提案、362案動結150萬元委員陳亭輝等提案、363案低熱潛力區塊"},{"start":4051.909,"end":4052.209,"text":"11 能源署"},{"start":4071.371,"end":4092.004,"text":"三百六十七案總稅出凍結五百萬元五零秋至為等提案三百六十八案能源科技計劃向下再生能源環境建構檢列兩千萬元五零成停飛等提案三百六十九案檢列兩千萬元五零成停飛等提案三百七十案凍結百分之二十五元真正錢等提案三百七十一案"},{"start":4092.688,"end":4094.753,"text":"動輸20%為林鄭樺等提案、372案動輸10%為陳昌明等提案、373案動輸200萬為蔡宇等提案、"},{"start":4102.597,"end":4108.438,"text":"374案 凍結200萬元文賴銳龍等提案375案 再生能源環境建構向下業務費向下委辦費減劣1000萬元文賴銳龍等提案376案 減劣1000萬元文賴銳龍等提案377案 減劣1000萬元文賴銳龍等提案378案 凍結1億元文陳超明等提案379案 凍結5000萬元文張其凱等提案380案 綠能系統技術布局與推動發展"},{"start":4132.182,"end":4135.169,"text":"動輒50%委員張家俊等提案、381案動輒300萬元委員李玉玲等提案、382案獎補助費向下對國內團體資捐助"},{"start":4143.96,"end":4154.743,"text":"簡列1000萬元委員張家俊等提案383案凍結300萬元委員張祺凱等提案384案能源規劃與國際交流簡列20%委員楊瓊英等提案385案簡列300萬元委員陳亭飛等提案386案凍結2000萬元委員張祺凱等提案387案凍結二分之一委員曾振淺等提案388案凍結50%委員張家俊等提案389案凍結1000萬元委員陳昭明等提案"},{"start":4173.755,"end":4193.312,"text":"三百九十案,凍結五百萬元文政政前等提案。三百九十一案,凍結百分之十文謝一鳳等提案。三百九十二案,凍結兩百萬元文邱志偉等提案。三百九十三案,凍結百分之五文邱瑩等提案。三百九十四案,凍結一百萬元文賴瑞榮等提案。三百九十五案,撤案。"},{"start":4194.844,"end":4223.499,"text":"三百九十六案、能源規劃與國際交流向下業務費、向下委辦費、凍結一千五百萬元五人章齊凱等提案。三百九十七案、凍結一千萬元五人章家俊等提案。三百九十八案、能源領域研究計畫、績效評估推動與決策支援、凍結兩百萬元五人領域領等提案。三百九十九案、電價費率審議作業管理計畫、凍結兩百萬元五人領域領等提案。四百案、雙邊能源合作推動、"},{"start":4224.38,"end":4225.201,"text":"好,我們先來介紹在場的首長經濟部的郭志輝部長"},{"start":4255.339,"end":4272.434,"text":"中和規劃師祖密兼代理師長莊明慈副師長許嘉琳10點半後會到產業技術師邱惠師長投資促進師張明斌師長投資審議師楊淑琳師長"},{"start":4284.865,"end":4290.948,"text":"國營事業管理師胡文忠師長經濟法治師羅翠玲師長秘書處魏世剛處長人事處陳樹之處長政風處廖長興處長會計處黃宏文處長統計處黃宇林處長"},{"start":4314.407,"end":4338.887,"text":"資訊處林聰仁署長商業發展署蘇文林署長產業發展署楊志清署長國際貿易署江文若署長能源署游政委署長中小及新創企業署李冠志署長"},{"start":4341.673,"end":4370.188,"text":"水利署賴建信署長智慧財產局廖承威局長產業園區管理局楊伯根局長標準檢驗局陳怡林局長地質調查及礦業管理中心徐明宏主任經貿人員培訓所李浩喜所長"},{"start":4374.167,"end":4398.185,"text":"台廠公司蔡東林副總經理中油公司廖慧珍副總經理台電公司曾文森董事長台水公司伍金文副總經理行政院經貿談判辦公室徐崇清執行秘書"},{"start":4400.393,"end":4406.818,"text":"行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員王淺凱委員好我們介紹在場的委員有邱益穎委員張其凱委員鄭天才委員鄭振淺委員"},{"start":4427.329,"end":4427.509,"text":"財政部長"},{"start":4449.618,"end":4456.67,"text":"好部長就位了那我們現在就開始來審查稅出部分第一案我們先請說明"},{"start":4459.476,"end":4482.612,"text":"主席各位委員吼那第一案章啟凱委員針對114年度經濟部編列的水電費吼那建議剩減這個350萬元吼那這邊跟各位委員報告一下那這個1700多萬元的水電費是除了部本部以外還有在外面幾個單位包含投審司、投資司、國營司、OTN等等吼那會114年度會比113年度水電費會有增加主要是因為"},{"start":4483.331,"end":4503.565,"text":"過去幾年因為這個電價調整其實我們的這個預算數並沒有足而編列以部分部為例過去幾年我們的水電費大概都編個七八百萬元但決算數其實都高於這個預算編列數那以往我們的做法大概主要兩個部分第一個我們靠節電光部分部過去幾年就節電節了五六十萬度的電"},{"start":4504.466,"end":4504.867,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":4522.99,"end":4523.25,"text":"請張季楷委員"},{"start":4549.667,"end":4569.64,"text":"有有,那個衛處長有先來做的報告跟溝通啦齁,我先講一下這個當初提檢的一個很重要因素,像這個到了到院會的時候一定是統三的啦,一定是統三的我先提醒一下當初的背景是這樣,因為我們統計了今年113年,就是所有中央政府用的這個水電費是80億"},{"start":4571.613,"end":4592.487,"text":"那到了明年度我們現在在審的明年度一共是101啦多了21所以現在草野大部分都有共識的就是這個到了院會是會統三的那那個施剛有來報告過啦這樣我同意啦我不用簡略的方式用凍結把350改成200好不好凍結200那反正好不好可以嗎"},{"start":4593.462,"end":4593.862,"text":"好 第一案"},{"start":4620.462,"end":4631.443,"text":"凍結兩百萬書面報告再跟院會的弊難處理現在第二案到第六案請說明"},{"start":4632.475,"end":4649.903,"text":"是跟主條各位報告第二案到第二案是有關媒體政策跟業務廣泉費的部分那這部分我想各位知道經濟部的業務跟民生還有跟產業非常的有關係而且我們服務的一般民眾還包含167萬的綜合企業其實都需要透過這樣子一個政策廣泉讓"},{"start":4650.943,"end":4652.604,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":4669.554,"end":4669.674,"text":"請擔任委員"},{"start":4697.418,"end":4716.763,"text":"我認為現在的假訊息還是非常多啦,而且對很多造成了相當多的混亂啦齁,所以我還是認為經濟部要持續加油啦齁,這個特別是假訊息的攻擊一定從你的經濟面、從你的整個這些包括甚至不管是各方面啦齁,有水啦、電啦、油啊都可以去攻擊你,所以我認為這塊"},{"start":4718.164,"end":4746.446,"text":"請部長一定要持續的加強那我建議我是可以改成是用凍結凍結這個凍結的部分來做一個處理那我也希望經濟部還是要持續重視這個問題這個加強快速的回應跟加強快速的一些對社會澄清說明減少假訊息的一些攻擊的成效我認為這個還是非常的重要所以我是建議就凍結60萬那提出麵包號再行解凍"},{"start":4747.108,"end":4756.015,"text":"好,請政見財委員剛才經濟部的說明並沒有說明為什麼這個114年度的這個經費會比這個113年度增加很多很多增加百分之24點多剛剛沒有說明"},{"start":4775.785,"end":4799.004,"text":"謝謝委員的指導我剛說明我們在去年度開始今年度開始我們新增了像Podcast這樣子的媒體經營這樣子的經營其實都需要投入相關的經費然後增加人力來做媒體的維護跟一些素材的提供所以我們是增加了媒體再加上素材部分還有假訊息的部分"},{"start":4799.384,"end":4807.138,"text":"我們要做一些特別的處理所以現在訊息量跟媒體的頻道量會增加所以我們必須增加相關的經費來做營運以上報告"},{"start":4813.372,"end":4827.804,"text":"我會建議部長跟那個現在的這些除了假訊息傳遞很快以外另外因為包括部長以外啦包括其實像署長、像司長都很專業那應該要盡速特別是用短影音的方式啦直接有時候就是現場直接假訊息出來現場直接錄了"},{"start":4829.625,"end":4853.899,"text":"然後馬上檢疫製作就上去當天出現假訊息當天就出去那這個是最快的方法因為很多人沒時間看到那麼多土卡跟這個端益已經是最快那立即澄清立即就有效而且由專業的文官來做起效果都很好就是由司長或者是由署長來做都非常具有說服力我希望這一塊能夠務實落實來做好那鄭委員跟他的說明動靜"},{"start":4859.09,"end":4871.761,"text":"好,那我們現在處理第二案到第六案凍結60萬然後書面報告委員剛剛有提出的請再詳細的書面報告好,凍60萬謝謝委員好,現在是第七案到第九案請說明"},{"start":4892.553,"end":4899.038,"text":"第7案到第9案這邊委員提議剪裂或者是凍結經濟部派員出國計畫這邊的預算"},{"start":4904.653,"end":4924.001,"text":"行政經貿台灣辦公室作為一個報告就是說我們預算會增加主要是因為考慮到這個機票的漲幅所以會必須要預算要來增加那根據那個彭博社在11月下旬的報導那美國運通集團他的對明年的機票預測報告他的"},{"start":4925.588,"end":4941.298,"text":"全球機票價格是持續上漲的那主要因素包括了工資上漲人員短缺然後地緣政治緊張以及這個空中巴士還有波音的新飛機延遲交付等等那所以都是機票增長的原因那"},{"start":4942.299,"end":4969.067,"text":"我們希望各位委員能夠支持我們這些相關的預算我們會謹慎的使用預算那也會利用視訊的會議來來多和對手國來進行這個會議但是視訊會議沒有辦法完全的取代實體的會議所以我們仍然請這個委員能夠多多的支持以上好請邱志偉委員在場提案委員只有我在我先講我的想法這個"},{"start":4971.05,"end":4996.047,"text":"出國經濟部是最難過的我出國不是有三萬歲才去的那是最難過那議程的安排專業你又燒腦又燒身體而且我覺得現在這個CPTPP對台灣未來的經貿的競爭力非常重要談判辦也全力以赴這個國家在中南美洲"},{"start":4997.458,"end":4999.401,"text":"經濟部的出國的這個會議也好或者是行程也好"},{"start":5014.222,"end":5040.111,"text":"所以我把我的改成主決議我建議委員會出國計畫讓經濟部透過出國去爭取更多台灣的經貿談判實力跟經貿利益我建議照例好 我們現在處理第7案到第9案在第9案 區委員改成主決議那我們預算就照列"},{"start":5041.281,"end":5048.885,"text":"請尊潔使用。 現在第10案到49案。 請說明。 張偉各位委員大家好。"},{"start":5061.36,"end":5077.377,"text":"有關這個部分的話是屬於科技預算的部分那經濟部有編列了有234億元那各位知道現在的這個產業的競爭相當激烈特別是在一些科技發展的項目上面"},{"start":5078.086,"end":5094.034,"text":"所以經濟部編列了這個科技預算主要的目的就是說希望能夠去幫助產業能夠發展科技將來產業競爭力可以去幫助他們去做提升那特別是針對中小企業的部分我們是編列給法人去做前瞻技術的研發"},{"start":5094.914,"end":5109.122,"text":"研發完成以後,再將技術移轉,協助輔導中央企業去做技術的升級與轉型。針對一些比較具有研發能量的企業來說的話,他們如果有提出一些好的研發計畫,前瞻的研發計畫,那麼經濟部也可以擇優來進行補助,幫助他們來更挑戰"},{"start":5115.926,"end":5125.456,"text":"前瞻技術的研發。有些委員提到我們希望能夠多幫助中小企業的輔導和協助。經過我們的統計,過去三年在法人科專的協助方面,總共累積了73,000加次的中小企業的輔導。"},{"start":5136.807,"end":5157.341,"text":"表示說我們對於這些中小企業這個協助是不遺餘力那至於說一些相關的一些比較突破或者是拔尖的一些成果的部分我跟各位委員報告剛好我們113年的這個RD100這是號稱是全世界這個研發界的奧斯卡金像獎的這樣的一個比賽"},{"start":5161.083,"end":5180.798,"text":"台灣法人獲得15項大獎,在全世界僅是於美國排名第二。可見我們在一些比較強調拔尖的技術上在全世界還是很有競爭力。以上跟各位報告現在有關一些科技預算執行的績效, 可請各位委員可以支持。"},{"start":5184.209,"end":5210.541,"text":"好,因為這個案子比較多,我先宣布一下有鄭政權委員他在這個第一幕裡面的科技專案裡面的第19、24跟29到47總共21案,鄭委員同意修正為一個主決議並案修正為一個主決議,好那再宣告一次,對不起我沒聽清楚,可不可以再宣告一次"},{"start":5212.171,"end":5231.216,"text":"因為鄭前委員在這個第一幕的科技專案裡面共提了21案就是第19、24、29到47、21案鄭委員同意合併修正為一個主決議的提案那是鄭委員那我們現在先請鄭委員"},{"start":5233.418,"end":5260.349,"text":"謝謝主席因為那個科專的對新竹市這個部分非常的重要因為新竹市本來就是高科技的產業聚落包括清大、楊交大、工研院等等很多的相關的研究單位所以我們對於整個科專的部分也特別的關注那因為我們這次是在這個部分總共提出21個案不過過程當中經濟部、新竹市這邊來做一個很清楚的一個說明那也補充了很多資料給我們所以我們覺得這是可以"},{"start":5260.949,"end":5261.089,"text":"請移民委員"},{"start":5281.507,"end":5281.667,"text":"主席"},{"start":5300.179,"end":5300.959,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":5327.429,"end":5355.87,"text":"跟經濟部做討論那因為本席有提案就是我們希望你們還是合時的去做並且要更審慎的去做這些輔導跟推動我本來提案是說要簡列簡列1950萬就把你們後面的尾數把它簡列掉但如果說經濟部你們保證可以持續做好的話本席就不堅持我可以把它改成組決議"},{"start":5359.97,"end":5360.25,"text":"蕭美芬議員"},{"start":5378.864,"end":5406.377,"text":"說你們明年度要做什麼你過去得了獎那得了這些獎到底有沒有辦法幫助台灣的企業以及這些技術有沒有辦法真的落地或者是能夠對於所有的產業能造成什麼樣子的一個幫助那如果沒有的情況下你要叫大家支持這個預算很難所以我覺得你應該要把這個就是說你們未來明年度的目標要說明清楚"},{"start":5407.895,"end":5434.826,"text":"好請任委員好我想這個科專相當的重要啦齁那對整個台灣的發展也很重要啊230億也是一個非常龐大的一個預算那其實大體上我是肯定包括科專包括甚至於各這些相關的一些機構啦齁他們的法人他們的一些努力成果那但是唯一的不滿點還是來自於其實是多數還是在北部啦發展北部上相對是強的"},{"start":5435.586,"end":5462.474,"text":"南部上是弱的啦,我當然知道經濟部這段時間有努力包括工業院包括製作也在努力但是落差還是相當大所以我認為對於這個部分還是存在著中北清南這個問題改善的幅度我還是不滿意啦所以我要求其實減裂100萬凍結500萬其實非常小的金額啦這個只是在提醒經濟部提醒所有的法人要持續重複南北均衡的問題讓南部的發展能夠起來讓南部有機會在"},{"start":5463.375,"end":5463.535,"text":"張旭凱委員"},{"start":5475.883,"end":5501.319,"text":"科技專案非常重要金額高達234億我現在最關心的是他的政策研究跟推動的計畫這一塊我提兩個一個就是21案跟22案21案是牽涉到這個二氧化碳的排放也就是燃煤的這個問題這個案子我提了我要凍結兩議員我先講我的重要的理由是什麼我給他看一個數據"},{"start":5502.813,"end":5515.543,"text":"我們國家的二氧化碳的排放量在1990年那時候只有1億2425萬噸結果到了最新的統計我看了一下2020年竟然成長了快一倍高達2億7368"},{"start":5529.377,"end":5531.218,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":5552.367,"end":5577.399,"text":"有一個專案報告,我先凍結,然後有一個專案報告請你們針對怎麼樣減二氧化碳,特別是燃煤是國家既定的政策嘛,這個大家沒有生意嘛你提報告的時候要提到前三年你減了多少的燃煤,減了多少的二氧化碳你未來三年,時程很清楚喔,因為部長一直講說要很精準未來的三年,你每一年你要減多少的二氧化碳,你要減多少的燃煤"},{"start":5577.779,"end":5589.553,"text":"好不好那經過專案報告完以後我們來解凍這兩議員這是第一個那第二案比較簡單22案第22案我關心的是地熱的發展地熱到現在占我們整體的那個發電只有0.01"},{"start":5592.574,"end":5592.594,"text":"好"},{"start":5615.121,"end":5630.475,"text":"本席的提案在48案是針對IC設計工頂補助的計畫來增加我們研究的能量來突破一個技術的瓶頸增加我們台灣IC設計在我們全球的這個市佔率那根據統計看到我們112年台灣的這IC"},{"start":5633.537,"end":5658.308,"text":"設計的產值大概有352億美元占全球的是21.3%雖然是名列全球第二但是跟美國的差距還是差了三倍之多所以經濟部應該針對縮短這兩國國際市佔率這個部分要積極提供出一個策略出來來協助我們的產業強化自身技術的研發實力來對我們台灣的IC設計領導的國家來增強我們的量能"},{"start":5665.041,"end":5672.926,"text":"其他委員有沒有補充沒有的話我們就來處理第10案到49案因為這個總預算我們是一併討論的他的總預算是234億7950萬那我們全案的話凍結2億凍結2億那我們賴委員這邊叫簡列"},{"start":5689.497,"end":5690.979,"text":"第11屆第2會期經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":5711.604,"end":5713.024,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":5740.089,"end":5769.358,"text":"我們這個台灣是科技利股我們在選區我們科技園區所以常常都需要科專的預算來支持但是我不是說動不行我認為讓我講完讓我講完讓我講完我主持那麼多的這個預算審查會議我是覺得對科技專案我非常重視科技專案不是用去做其他的什麼宣傳或者政務推廣是直接提供給產業界發展所需"},{"start":5771.039,"end":5798.83,"text":"這是他們的 如果你技術要提升 你產業要進步沒有科專預算 他沒有辦法再提升所以今天我們常常會面對這個問題雖然這比你看乍看之下234億但事實上我還覺得還嫌少業界有那麼多產業傳統產業高科技產業中小型產業都需要這個科專的支持所以我認為如果你動2億"},{"start":5801.198,"end":5803.76,"text":"請大家看一下那個專案報告的內容我剛剛有解釋的很重要"},{"start":5827.661,"end":5850.849,"text":"減少煤炭這是我們國家既定的政策可是到目前落實的不好嘛非常重要嘛我們前幾天在審那個台電的預算有一半時間都要討論啊討論咱們要怎麼降下來啊開個專案報告很重要啊第一個他影響到人民的健康啊那天後來台電不是在做一個決議嗎欸要臺中的這個立委全部都說要減那個名列"},{"start":5852.67,"end":5879.121,"text":"要減少燒煤要多少?一百萬噸阿結果看高雄都跳起來高雄後來不是也說要累這個嗎?剛好做一個專案報告阿第一個對我們人民的健康很重要第二個是國家既定的政策阿我們現在實施的狀況裡面又出現二氧化碳一直在激增全民一定希望我們開這個會嘛齁我記得我記得召委來排一個時間做個專案報告這應該是全民希望的然後第二個只是凍結兩億阿在234億裡面"},{"start":5882.042,"end":5884.847,"text":"我相信那個報告很快就可以進行啦上半年應該上個 對不對"},{"start":5886.963,"end":5912.983,"text":"就3、4月就可以進行啊 不會影響到這個凍結這2億 不會影響到我們整個專案的進行好 請謝亦鳳委員我們剛才主席我有要求他們要說明喔 因為234億實在太大了 都沒有說明一下喔然後難怪大家都想要 大家也想要減劣 也想要凍結啊你們都沒有為你們自己的那個 那為什麼我們不能減劣 是不是你們都沒說明欸"},{"start":5914.304,"end":5940.203,"text":"你們234要做什麼都沒說明欸沒說明就就就那個要我們給你們過是不是那這樣子大家也沒有辦法接受啊好請戴瑞龍我言我是建議其實確實那個淨零碳排相當重要啦那特別高雄一定更關注這個問題不管是在產業或空污的問題我們更重視但是我覺得就是我認為其實導致可以主席可以找個時間排個專案報告來做討論齁但是如果你現在把這個動兩億"},{"start":5941.804,"end":5961.227,"text":"然後在專案報告在解凍的話有可能是因為我們未來的召委因為這可能是下一任召委不知道誰擔任那下一任召委什麼時候能夠排這個專案報告跟解凍不知道有可能有時候一拖到年終甚至到下半年那往往其實他形同就是被刪減但是我認為這件事情很重要所以我比較傾向"},{"start":5962.168,"end":5962.288,"text":"請敬禮委員"},{"start":5983.925,"end":5986.128,"text":"中央政府總預算案"},{"start":6000.367,"end":6001.427,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。"},{"start":6029.552,"end":6030.273,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":6038.277,"end":6057.502,"text":"也不反對他們來做專案的報告我想這個章委員提的案子其實的確有他的理由存在但是你直接在這個向下去動2億是不是大家還要再思考一下我們是剛好宣布是第10案到第49案237億大概是只有凍結1%、2億科目可以自調"},{"start":6064.824,"end":6076.294,"text":"所以主席這就是我剛問嘛你叫他科目自調請問要哪一個單位自己跳出來他們會在他們預算裡面去決定啦是給他們的空間給他們調整的空間啦好那請張旭凱委員"},{"start":6077.677,"end":6078.337,"text":"我不曉得大家有沒有看過預算書"},{"start":6103.635,"end":6127.527,"text":"科技專案是從31頁到83頁他要執行的項目高達900多項欸!高達900多項我看得到眼淚水他仔細去看每一個項目都很重要你們仔細去看會覺得哇那科技專案經費還是太少啊"},{"start":6129.108,"end":6154.83,"text":"中央政府總預才234億,如果在韓國、日本我覺得是倍數增部長你從產業界來你應該了解科技專案對產業界的重要今天不是說不能動動可以動有兩種一個算案動一個是書面動我認為書面寫詳細一點然後我再去張委員辦公室跟他專案報告"},{"start":6156.744,"end":6157.024,"text":"請陳定非委員"},{"start":6165.633,"end":6166.054,"text":"中央政府總預算案"},{"start":6195.393,"end":6196.574,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":6210.666,"end":6212.147,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":6239.622,"end":6267.727,"text":"他所有科技專案裡面所要做的跟要達到的目標值在哪裡能夠很詳細的寫出來這可能是我們比較重要的地方好 請張旭凱委員每個委員都已經講過三輪了我們知識講完畢我們就要來處理張旭凱委員完畢的話就我們賴瑞隆委員對對我們把握時間我提醒民進黨的好朋友們回去看一下你們現在手上都拿著這一本嗎"},{"start":6268.607,"end":6291.832,"text":"你們自己提了多少案子是要檢列的喔第一個到目前我們沒有提檢列喔我們只動了兩億喔好不好請你看一下你們自己的提案好不好第一個我們沒有檢列第二個只動了兩億第二個我覺得非常重要的你們都認為淨零碳排特別是燃煤"},{"start":6294.144,"end":6322.714,"text":"你要怎麼樣去檢然後檢多少時程要列出來要報告是專案報告是重要的不是跟我一人報告嘛一定是跟整個經濟委員會嘛怎麼會說打給我的辦公室報告完就解凍好不好我覺得建議大家回去看一下自己的案子然後如果已經做了決定了大家做了共同的決定了我覺得凍結2億是一個非常合適的要不然就回過頭來那看你們本來檢列多少把它加一加吧"},{"start":6323.936,"end":6325.137,"text":"請各位委員,其實我們的目的都希望讓"},{"start":6338.154,"end":6364.061,"text":"科專越做越好啦就是說這幾年其實經濟成長或者我們產業發展很好其實科專也扮演了重要的一個角色那我們的希望都是希望它越做越好啦那我們希望產生的目的是什麼那我其實是支持可以專案報告也可以做這個但是我所謂的專案報告是在委員會內我們就另外再排一個專案報告而不要透過凍結2億的方式專案報告因為凍結2億的其實往往最後立法院運作結果"},{"start":6364.341,"end":6365.642,"text":"最後尊重主席的才事"},{"start":6394.621,"end":6408.431,"text":"我覺得專案報告很重要,尤其是檢探是我們未來世界都很重要的目標,臺灣怎麼樣跟上,所以我認為凍結兩億科專的預算"},{"start":6415.015,"end":6415.275,"text":"秋智委員"},{"start":6438.942,"end":6458.447,"text":"我說我的16、17改成主決議那我的立場是說這個大家先詳細閱讀裡面專案的報告內容那如果有任何問題我想邱司長很專業你的所屬團隊也很堅強針對各委員的這個疑問你盡快去跟各委員去做溝通"},{"start":6459.367,"end":6483.199,"text":"各位委員我再宣布一次在第10案到第49案邱志偉委員16、17案已經改成主決議在這個到49案裡面鄭振全的案子有21案21案也改成一張主決議了所以案子沒有很多都在這裡面那本席的宣布剛剛的234億234億是全案"},{"start":6489.763,"end":6516.177,"text":"動結2億如果我們的召委要排案的話3、4月就可以排專報預算在3、4月就可以解凍而且是全案1%的動結而已所以我希望大家我們就往下討論好不好好那現在第13到第49案主席我剛有講我的案子11案我是要改組決議喔剛一開始我發言的時候就有說好第11案改成組決議"},{"start":6517.638,"end":6542.77,"text":"抱歉我補充一個簡單的那個第28案齁這個是那個霸凌案就是那個金屬現在有經濟部下面有幾個單位有發生這個嘛齁那其中有一個是那個金屬中心就背那個背著那個侮辱帶叫人家去跑步那個那個案子我知道你們有處理你們有來報告過啦他唯一的一個小缺陷就是這個人調為非主管職之外他沒有調離開原單位有沒有把他調離開原單位"},{"start":6546.135,"end":6547.116,"text":"如果有這個事實請部長回去思考好不好"},{"start":6577.845,"end":6597.96,"text":"好我們現在來處理第10案到49 49案先請問一下賴委你剛剛的簡列100萬要再用簡列齁好那我們就來宣告在第10案到第49案從11案、16案、17案還有19案、24案跟29案但47案跟48案都改成主決議"},{"start":6606.189,"end":6613.014,"text":"那全案第10到第49案的凍結數是兩億檢列一百萬做專案報告針對21案做專案報告好現在我們來現在是50號50到52案請說明"},{"start":6635.807,"end":6660.281,"text":"主席、各位我這邊針對於50到52的部分那這部分就是因為隨著這個這個我們台積電這些台商全球佈局以後事實上我們越南國外人才是非常重要的一件事情那目前這是由行政院國科會所屬的包括相關其他的五個部位共同來執行那這一部分我們當初是參考那個新加坡的做法就是"},{"start":6661.421,"end":6690.024,"text":"公併新加坡的經驗移到臺灣來就是公併臺灣就是作為我們臺灣一個就是美和國內外的平臺的一個網站那這部分就是經費只有1700萬那今年我們在就是結合外貿協會還有我們所有外管的共同努力是有新增了3000多個會員那這部分因為它屬於科專預算的部分也會配合統三所以這部分是不是可以建議可以免於凍結以上"},{"start":6692.304,"end":6692.324,"text":"請帶領委員"},{"start":6708.948,"end":6728.861,"text":"本席有提案到50案本席的提案是針對我們的就業金卡的使用率非常不好而且對於招攬人才的方面也沒有再精進的一些措施跟做法我們希望對於這一項延攬人才、專業人才的管理跟我們對企業的貢獻我們希望能夠有持有金卡的能夠確實為我們國家跟國際接軌的橋樑做出一個貢獻"},{"start":6737.471,"end":6747.826,"text":"我認為延攬外國專業產生相當重要我們缺財的問題非常嚴重我覺得其實我們政府在這件事情上的態度我認為整體上還是消極了一些我還希望"},{"start":6748.366,"end":6768.036,"text":"不管從經濟部或是國發會都應該更積極去處理人才的專業人才問題人才是國家的競爭力啦齁那人才有好的人才才讓國家有更強的競爭力那我這個部分我就是凍結50萬我希望提一個說明報告齁你們怎麼做未來努力包含各跨部會見的溝通爭取到更多專業人才來到台灣好不好凍結50萬好請謝一芬委員"},{"start":6771.547,"end":6787.336,"text":"目前臺灣的勞動力缺乏非常嚴重我覺得經濟部在這個部分的確沒有辦法有誘因吸引到底未來你們要怎麼做我們現在也是凍結希望你們來提個書面報告我們就可以解凍但是你要告訴我們怎麼做"},{"start":6795.88,"end":6812.719,"text":"為什麽凍結是說希望你們做得更好嗎那你們如果沒有做得更好的情況下我們現在不只是基層的勞動力可能連專業人才勞動力可能都會有相關的問題那這個情況怎麼解決還有怎麼樣子能夠讓我們國內的這個勞動力能夠"},{"start":6816.223,"end":6816.403,"text":"請求自委員"},{"start":6843.901,"end":6868.821,"text":"請教張明斌、張處長、張司長,這個目標是延展外國專員的850人,目標是這樣嗎?沒有錯嗎?目標?今年度對那你去年度到今年為止大概延展多少人才?我們今年新增了3000多個會員3000多個,那你明年才850啊?這個我們可以再提高"},{"start":6869.85,"end":6892.727,"text":"我是說一千七不多啦但是我覺得越來越多的外國人來台灣當然是台灣的競爭力是有幫助的你說你今年三千多那明年我看你預算書才八百五十人是比較薄宿檔簿啦 是不然今天是不是可以再提一關可以可以我們可以把它提高大概到多少人數因為那個三千多會員他實際上會進來就是"},{"start":6895.239,"end":6895.419,"text":"陳天飛委員"},{"start":6917.531,"end":6931.049,"text":"謝謝因為其實延攬外國專業人才現在是非常重要其實我們預算數也不多但是確實是說我們到底我們在延攬外國專業人才的部分我們的重點在哪裡"},{"start":6931.63,"end":6954.292,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6956.732,"end":6984.439,"text":"好我們現在就來處理50案到52案我們凍結200萬書面報告好現在接下來是53到54案請說明主席各位委員那53案跟54案的話都兩位委員關切的部分都是有關於本部所管轄能源跟水資源領域關鍵基礎設施的資安防護作為那在53案的部分的話賴委員關切的是說"},{"start":6985.849,"end":7003.597,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟管理及防護機制來應對外部的一些駭客入侵的部分那這邊跟各位委員報告那近年來本部在那個相關的CI的防護作為的部分的話其實我們一直是透過實地輔導跟實地集合的方式並且透過持續的去加強紅藍軍攻防演練的擬真度"},{"start":7006.078,"end":7030.611,"text":"來強化關鍵基礎設施的這些提供者各廠站對於資安事件的一個應變能力那在近年來從今年開始我們也導入了工業自動化控制系統的一些安全標準也就是參考IEC624資安希望透過一些採購對於委外服務跟產品的一些安全規範提升這些廠站在供應鏈安全上的一些自通安全的一些認知跟一些對於廠商的一些規範"},{"start":7031.653,"end":7053.48,"text":"那54案的部分的話張家俊張委員是有關切到說在明年的預算的部分的話我們在資安任性的計劃的經費有減少那特別是在那個場站的資安輔導的經費也有下降那會不會影響到場站的一些輔導作為的業實施那跟各位委員報告其實整個預算的經費減少其實是因為核定"},{"start":7054.512,"end":7070.339,"text":"基費減少的原因那可是我們在這個工作的一些調整的話其實我們也是有把一些已經過去已經達成成果的一些工作的部分稍微做簡略那其實在實際的場地的輔導部分反而是增加的我們在今年的部分是輔導34場"},{"start":7071.857,"end":7088.041,"text":"那明年預計的部分要執行35場那這個部分也有跟張委員做報告會委員同意說將專案報告改為書面報告那以上兩岸的部分其實都是本部在自然防護上面很重要的一個必要的經費那請各位委員支持是不是可以改為主決議請賴樂榮委員53"},{"start":7094.797,"end":7117.808,"text":"我認為這一段時間確實對於整個資安的攻擊越來越多包括網路的攻擊越來越多那經濟部又是一個非常重要的單位那我還是希望有更強而有力的一個有效的一個資安防護措施那我還是建議凍結六時說明報告再行解凍現在就來處理53案到54案"},{"start":7124.684,"end":7126.93,"text":"動輒60萬書面報告好接下來55案到58案請說明"},{"start":7134.168,"end":7162.48,"text":"各位委員大家好委員針對強化單台投資全程線上申辦審議服務計畫這個部分委員在55到58案有提案簡列跟凍結那跟委員這邊特別報告其實這是一個5年的計畫那我們整個計畫的目標是要希望能夠發展智慧投資的審議建立智慧化的客服然後同時也要來強化我們整個資安的一個管理"},{"start":7163.24,"end":7164.161,"text":"114年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。"},{"start":7194.524,"end":7194.845,"text":"請求議員委員"},{"start":7198.399,"end":7223.234,"text":"謝謝主席請教一下你們剛剛說這是五年的計畫現在是第幾年今年是第五年所以今年已經是最後一年了所以我們今年來做的工作在推廣你們可不可以有比較詳細的計畫比如說依照我現在手頭上有的112年到113年你們其實這個申請的投資金額其實是比過去同期是縮減的"},{"start":7226.196,"end":7238.644,"text":"大部分都是續租的,等於說他的投資是延續的,但是他的建樹其實是沒有增加的是不是有這樣的情況?這個能不能也再更進一步說明一下?"},{"start":7238.644,"end":7248.991,"text":"是,各位報告,其實我們每年的新創的投資案件,其實都有一千多件,都是佔我們整個投資案的一半以上的"},{"start":7251.328,"end":7258.636,"text":"那在111年跟112年我們的橋外來台投資的金額也是16年來的第一高跟第三高請陳廷飛委員"},{"start":7267.625,"end":7294.585,"text":"第55我們也是在整個強調的就是他的一個治安的問題就是說在我們橋外這個線上申請的範圍那我們現在看到的是橋外的投資好像比之前同期有縮減那這到底是為什麼"},{"start":7296.017,"end":7298.86,"text":"跟委員報告其實依照國際統計整個那個"},{"start":7304.415,"end":7329.321,"text":"對外投資其實國際上也是在下降的情況但是就國內來講雖然我們的因為我們的統計只有股本投資的部分那如果我們再加計再加計這些外商來台灣的那個在地融資的話那其實在前10個月這些外商他的股本股投資再加加上他的在地融資其實是比去年統計是還高的"},{"start":7331.301,"end":7357.948,"text":"這個部分我們可以再提供委員詳細的數字請七名委員就是說你說現在全世界對外投資、橋外投資都會減少對那原因是什麼是因為經濟整個全球經濟地緣政治的關係那再加上去年大家都有大選嘛很多國家都有選舉所以其實目前的統計數字上來看其實都有下降的"},{"start":7358.91,"end":7376.011,"text":"所以所以如果說我們再加了一些其他的一個投資的那個樣態基本上我們是沒有減少的你的意思這樣因為我們現在所呈現的是股本對橋外投資我們統計的部分就只有賄賂的部分而且是股本還有再加上那個"},{"start":7376.711,"end":7377.753,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":7396.745,"end":7418.623,"text":"那麻煩我就不簡略了,那再麻煩就是把那個詳細的資料給我辦公室,謝謝。 好,謝謝委員。 邱盈盈委員,然後再邱志偉委員。 我本來是想要講說,就是您剛剛講這個部分,因為我們在那個報告書裡頭其實是看不到,可不可以給經濟委員會大家一個比較詳細的說明,那我的案子就把它改成組決議,我就不凍結了。"},{"start":7419.324,"end":7419.644,"text":"請求自衛委員"},{"start":7437.052,"end":7453.491,"text":"市長多少?2000多要收費啦這2000多萬全部是在硬體還有資訊服務費還有設備費啦這沒有達成智慧化的目標所以我要跟大家報告說這是五年期計劃今年最後年啦"},{"start":7453.971,"end":7454.191,"text":"第58案改組決議"},{"start":7478.234,"end":7502.644,"text":"好,我們現在處理55案到58案第57案、58案改成主決議我們預算照列接下來是59到69先請說明各位委員好第59案是旅委員關心我們桃園市政府撤銷臺灣地方等3家SF廠的"},{"start":7503.052,"end":7523.759,"text":"一個進駐桃園科技工業園區入園許可這個處分經過我們本部兩次撤銷這個處分提案凍結我們一般行政工作計畫預算100萬的案子那因為這個這個臺灣立方三家公司設置SRF這個電廠的部分我們部裡面有多次拜訪桃園市政府而且也轉達業者"},{"start":7525.46,"end":7527.945,"text":"願意提供地方回饋跟遵守相關環保規定的善盡社會企業責任的這樣的一個想法那後續本部也會輔導業者來嚴謹的"},{"start":7536.859,"end":7560.602,"text":"規範他們遵守環保規範同時加強跟地方民眾的溝通我們本部也會積極的跟業者來進行必要的協調那目前呢我們瞭解新建中的兩家SRF是還在持續當中他們也承諾會來遵守環保規範那另外有一家呢他已經出售土地不再興建那因為我們的一般行政費用是屬於行政管理運作"},{"start":7561.122,"end":7577.887,"text":"的一個必要的需求包括我們人事費或者是其他基本行政工作維持費等等的費用所以我們建議免於那個凍結以上報告請謝一芬委員我這個我沒有提啊好請戴瑞倫委員68嗎到69"},{"start":7590.038,"end":7609.306,"text":"我認為這個經貿談判當然相當重要不過新南向其實一直是我們的一個重點那確實新南向現在發展速度也相當的快但是我覺得這段時間我們看到我們的幾個有些部分反倒是有一些跌幅然後有幾個包括菲律賓、柬埔寨、緬甸、印尼、文萊有一些出口衰退"},{"start":7610.666,"end":7620.631,"text":"第一幅3%到12%那我認為其實恐怕經濟部要著以重視啦齁那我提出凍結50萬提出明報號再行解凍齁希望經濟部妥善的處理跟說明"},{"start":7631.263,"end":7645.348,"text":"本席的提案是針對我們桃園這個SRF的三家廠商臺灣立方可、林衛跟立江這個專案入園的程序不完備而且經濟部的訴願卻"},{"start":7647.609,"end":7675.506,"text":"蘇院會卻二度的撤銷我們桃園市政府禁止入園的處分一定要讓這個SRF這個來電廠入園到我們桃科所以在這個讓我們民眾來承擔這個空屋可見經濟部一直都沒有尊重到地方沒有尊重到我們的民意我們大家的身體健康所以這一個部分我們希望經濟部要重視民意而且要尊重地方政府所以我還是予以凍結"},{"start":7677.506,"end":7682.55,"text":"那其他委員有沒有補充的?那是不是能夠先還是由我們先來跟各位委員做一個報告再處理好"},{"start":7697.745,"end":7700.086,"text":"第59案到69案我們凍結100萬好 凍結100萬謝謝主席 主席英明接下來"},{"start":7725.652,"end":7726.617,"text":"70案到82案請說明"},{"start":7729.86,"end":7755.954,"text":"跟委員報告這是屬於國營事業管理室的預算那這個大概除了1102萬是屬於這個一柱台電的以外另外大概有3385萬元那這個3385萬元當中大概房租跟水電正常大概就2500萬真正業務費大概只有800萬那這個委員提出第70案是這個賴委員在關心那個我們職安的狀況"},{"start":7757.074,"end":7757.114,"text":"執行部長"},{"start":7777.381,"end":7777.641,"text":"中央政府總裁"},{"start":7795.026,"end":7807.137,"text":"好我先補充一下剛剛59到69案凍結100萬但是還要提出書面報告好現在是第70到82請卸議否我71案改主決議對是謝謝71案已經改為主決議了我的6571案改成主決議好現在請"},{"start":7819.827,"end":7825.312,"text":"已經審到69 69了我剛剛在補充了從59到69案凍結100萬書面報告現在是70案到82案這一份委員的71案改成主決議現在請賴瑞榮委員"},{"start":7836.049,"end":7858.33,"text":"好 謝謝這個部分有一千億但裡面其實我特別關注的是公安也特別跟部長跟市長也提到其實第一線的公安意外真的要持續的加強因為往往發生公安意外受傷最慘重都是第一線的員工他有可能是壯年他受傷了之後他的家庭就重創了他因為他可能家裡的經濟阻力"},{"start":7859.671,"end":7886.048,"text":"那你重視公安這些意外降低的就是發生機會就大幅的降低做辦公室可能感受不會那麼深刻但在第一線工作的是非常跟命在拼搏的所以我覺得從包括中油之前發生的幾個大案件包括台電照的選區內中油跟台電都是大廠而且都是很多都在進行當中很多稅休或者是新建的工程所以我真的請部長要重視公安的問題這個要讓"},{"start":7888.41,"end":7915.045,"text":"他們第一線更加安全那經費非常的大當然我會支持這個經費但是我覺得我要拖減一個50萬的經費跟凍結100萬我的目的就是要告訴你們請你們要注意這件事情請你們務必要注意如果沒有注意犧牲就是第一線員工的生命財產而且他失去了生命他的家就陷入了一個困境所以請你們務必要注重公安你們越注重這發生的機會就越低"},{"start":7916.86,"end":7935.007,"text":"關於簡略部分,因為我剛剛有報告我們整個的業務真正的費用大概只有800多萬那這個當中絕大部分都是屬於我們各種包括職安、公安、環保、災防還有這個物資動員以及工程查核的這些委員的這個聘請的費用,那也就是特別"},{"start":7935.567,"end":7961.754,"text":"為了這個公安的部分我們也特別檢討那我想說我們在今年我們的公安查核已經增加了一倍那明年我會再增加一倍所以希望因為這個檢列的部分會影響到我們查核的一些件數啦我們每年的工程查核也差不多要查到400多件那公安的查核我大概預計明年會查到將近六七十件所以這個部分想說檢列的部分是不是能夠拜託委員我們就好那我就不檢列我讓你去做啦"},{"start":7961.954,"end":7962.674,"text":"那委員你還有79案也有簡列喔?"},{"start":7991.278,"end":8001.76,"text":"這兩個案子的事實上重點是一樣的就是臺電的這個退休員工啊他們申請要領班加級退休金的這個訴訟案他經過臺灣高等法院、高雄分院"},{"start":8015.553,"end":8034.188,"text":"113年重勞制上至第五號的民事判決臺電應該要給退休的這個員工這個領班加級的這個退休金那這個退休勞工已經是勝訴了嘛 對不對對方已經勝訴了結果現在我問了說臺電臺電說啊他沒辦法去主動"},{"start":8042.396,"end":8049.987,"text":"補發這個退休金這個差額給這些員工我覺得這非常不公平第一個是法院已經判決了第二個你們叫他去要再繼續再去新送"},{"start":8051.224,"end":8074.714,"text":"這不但會施法支援嗎?第一個對這個退休員工是不公平的第二個等於是鼓勵新送所以我提了兩個凍結案我希望你們做兩件事情第一個當然主動發給他們這個是最理想的那如果不行的話你們到底要怎麼去解決這個問題比如說時間點什麼時候要解決那你一直叫他們說要整個整體要有多少人才去多少人訴訟贏了以後你們才要給這個錢你們有什麼具體的解決方案?"},{"start":8076.381,"end":8102.446,"text":"跟委員報告這個部分因為這個兩個加擠是我們最近因為過去大概是監察院要求我們減掉那我們最近兩年是考慮到他有實務上的需要所以我們就恢復了那這個是第一個訴訟案只要列入平均工資那這個部分我們會來配合辦理我們看看是用什麼樣子的方式在明年明年我們想辦法把這個事情就可以不用他們再去打官司了就是你們現在會主動主動補發給他們是不是"},{"start":8104.966,"end":8107.427,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議12月23日及26日三天一次會議12月23日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":8131.995,"end":8142.312,"text":"因為剛才已經兩百次了不是你本來要做嘛對不對而且這撐得到好幾千位那個退休員工的這個因為本來就是他應有的潛力嘛對不對而且他肉市都退休了"},{"start":8143.12,"end":8143.38,"text":"請陳立法委員"},{"start":8171.133,"end":8196.633,"text":"我問一下其實我們大家的目標都一樣就是說這個公安我們第一線員工的公安實在是太重要就是說我們逐年要去增加這些所謂監測然後這些協助的方向我拜託說我們書面報告寫得清楚一點就我們的目標值要怎麼訂定不是說今天我們這個去年增加多少今年增加多少這樣就OK了是我們的"},{"start":8197.734,"end":8199.175,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。"},{"start":8211.567,"end":8233.076,"text":"不過那個不好意思我跟張七開委員報告一下因為剛才那個應該是我們會先送一份書面報告我會告報告委員說我們會怎麼做那因為如果真是這要列入平均工資我還要報行政院那行政院什麼時候核定我不敢講所以如果要等到我直系以後才可以我動之這兩百的話所以說是不是能夠對能夠就是我先送個報告我會跟委員承諾說我們會怎麼樣子來進行阿"},{"start":8234.377,"end":8241.281,"text":"我們很高興說你們要照顧這些台電的推卸員,這樣有可能遙遙無期,行政院直接提報過來啦,不用送行政院的直接提報過來,你說經濟部直接處理嗎?"},{"start":8250.254,"end":8272.026,"text":"他們提出書面報告提給行政院因為你說執行齁 那個執行說真的那個時間不在我們手上那他把他的預計的過程寫清楚我們將心比心啦 我們就站在這些比較弱勢的臺電推銷員工的立場他已經希望你們很明確跟他講什麼時候可以拿到嘛 對不對"},{"start":8273.487,"end":8291.581,"text":"那你現在如果說 我不是說你推給行政院 我說如果照行政院還在報行政院 到時候行政院遙遙無期 打水漂啦 你今天講白話就講了浪費了 張委員他就書面報告給我們之後 我們就可以督促著行政院趕快執行 書面報告寫詳細 把你們的期程都寫詳細來好不好"},{"start":8297.946,"end":8298.346,"text":"請正正前委員"},{"start":8313.415,"end":8327.329,"text":"本期這邊是第81案是針對一千億零兩萬這個案子那因為我就想說臺電這幾年其實真的要很多的錢那112到114大概整個編列包括特別預算大概有五千億當然現在有一千億"},{"start":8328.11,"end":8351.088,"text":"在那個113年的追加減預算的時候其實目前還在等協商所以本席在這邊的時候本來是提案就是凍結三分之一不過我想說因為台電這邊要提財務改革跟那個電價那邊未來發展期明確的一個發展方式那我是建議這個案就直接保留送協商因為113年的追加減預算也還在等協商以上謝謝"},{"start":8354.428,"end":8365.212,"text":"在我們的70到82案裡面有放進那個補助的1000億裡面那由於這個我們台電的年底到112年底的虧損達到3826億那先前已經有編列2500億的這個增資了但是到現在我們113、114都還會各編"},{"start":8374.255,"end":8386.924,"text":"一千億的補助累計我們會給它增資加補助到五千億但是我們沒有看到我們整個能源政策有任何的轉型跟規劃來承擔整個營運的風險那我們希望台電在這個部分經濟部針對台電的話要做一個常態性的增資或補助的話這個情形應該慢慢的要做一個減少來自己贏虧要來負擔好不好"},{"start":8399.132,"end":8418.796,"text":"所以這個部分剛剛我一簽以裡面我們就不不把它包含進去在我們在這個審查未來我們院會整體我們就保留出去在院會來做決定那所以我們處理70到82案的話是各項下各目裡面的這些預算我們全部凍結200萬書面報告之後我們來執行接下來第83案"},{"start":8428.274,"end":8432.715,"text":"請說明所以我努力聽但是還聽不懂什麼意思"},{"start":8449.185,"end":8475.183,"text":"在這個70案到82案有關我們要輔助台電這一千億的部分我們就保留到我們院會去那其他的項目的話我們已募了預算我們來同這個是不是讓台電先說明一下好不好80、81、82讓台電先說明一下好不好好請台電說明一下好80、81、82還有包括在這個70這個裡面也有一契說明"},{"start":8476.906,"end":8477.612,"text":"請我們鄭董事長"},{"start":8482.977,"end":8511.248,"text":"報告各位委員我想關於台電的財務問題其實在委員會、院會都做過非常多的討論當然最主要台電的累積虧損發生在2022年、2023年主要的原因當然是跟國際的燃料價格大幅上漲有很大的關係以目前這個狀況來講我想各個委員非常關心台電的財務支出等等的狀況開源節流的部分大院要求我們要做的一個報告"},{"start":8512.108,"end":8540.035,"text":"大概初步你進就是今年年底會送來立法院那這個工作之外也要跟各位委員大概拜託一下就是1000億的預算會攸關台電的淨值好因為明年2025年的整個國際的燃料價格會怎麼樣子波動其實我們沒有辦法明確的確定但台電的淨值在減少因為累虧的關係在減少我們需要一定程度的支撐除此之外雖然資金台電可以籌措"},{"start":8541.235,"end":8567.166,"text":"那資金的籌措上面在利率上面那因為台電是國營事業我們在資金市場上的籌措的利率並不見得比民間的利率高但它畢竟是一筆支出那如果說政府能夠給我們一定程度的財務的支持對於台電財務的改善等等都會有相當大的幫助那開源節流的相關工作我們也願意來大院裡面做報告那隨時排我們就來做報告"},{"start":8572.68,"end":8596.419,"text":"請起座委員這筆預算我們在院會在行政院長也來做專案報告這個國際燃料成本上漲他不是一趴兩趴上漲他上漲十幾趴你上漲如果沒有辦法反映到成本那是不是要撥補你上漲的話你又要動要穩定物價又要動漲"},{"start":8599.431,"end":8624.42,"text":"你如果動漲才能讓物價適度穩定然後照顧弱勢的民生嘛 對不對所以這是為了照顧民生用電動漲但是油料一直上漲成本上漲那這邊怎麼辦呢你又不能讓它漲價又要照顧弱勢又要照顧民生台電的負債比已經93%了啦所以這種情況之下如果沒有這一切的撥補"},{"start":8625.871,"end":8643.939,"text":"你面對油價上漲、燃料成本上漲你又要讓它動漲又要馬兒跑又要馬兒不能吃草也不能喝水那你怎麼樣讓台電能夠永續經營為民服務所以我認為立委員會要有立場"},{"start":8645.168,"end":8645.188,"text":"政協軍"},{"start":8665.101,"end":8679.624,"text":"斷絕三分之一你的提案我認為適度斷絕表示這個委員會立場你不能送院會然後委員會都沒立場這樣不行啊斷斷不可啊蘇慧麗君啊我還沒講結論啊結論是說啊"},{"start":8688.915,"end":8711.086,"text":"為了要讓他撥補這筆預算能夠切實執行改善財務結構然後照顧民生用電維持物價的穩定所以為了要讓他有實際好的作為好的政策的執行成果本席建議凍結50億夠多了吧"},{"start":8716.478,"end":8723.92,"text":"臺電是大家的臺電臺電也是臺灣的臺電大家希望臺電能夠穩健的經營能夠穩健的供電大家都希望臺電充分的供應我們的電力沒有人希望臺電有狀況"},{"start":8742.283,"end":8768.722,"text":"但是我們確實臺電在過去承擔國家的一些責任當整個原物料價格惡霧戰爭的時候價格大漲的時候我們要求臺電不能夠動不能夠漲我們動漲甚至是民生不能動所以它相較其他許多國家漲電價其實臺電是穩建住的那穩住了導致讓我們的這個物價穩定住了我們的物價其實穩定的還是算是其他國家來說算是相當不錯的跟其他國家比"},{"start":8769.442,"end":8790.2,"text":"同時間我們的整個也沒有波動比較沒有大的波動所以這個都是很重要的就政府在政策上但是臺電就承受了很大的壓力這不是臺電員工的錯這也不是臺電經營上的錯臺電是承受了國家的一個政策的責任那導致他的虧損產生那這時候如果你不讓他漲電價因為我們政策上不允許他"},{"start":8790.82,"end":8794.183,"text":"臺灣的經濟成長臺灣的這個穩健的發展產業的好的狀況確實我們有盈餘那這時候其實由國家來撥補他是最好的方式讓臺電的體質更加的穩健讓臺電能夠永續發展我認為這是大家應該要思考的齁"},{"start":8813.336,"end":8833.81,"text":"那各位立委特別經濟委員會委員都是很專業而資深而務實的我們一起來思考怎麼樣幫台電必須來過這一關那我認為其實由政府來撥補是最好的一個方案那我會建議這個案子其實經濟委員會應該提出專業的意見我相信朝野協商也還會再溝通但是經濟委員會作為最專業的經濟的"},{"start":8836.552,"end":8857.69,"text":"這個委員會其實應該要提供出我們專業意見給草野協商不要所有事情都丟草野鄉因為這樣變成委員會中心主義或這些經濟委員們15個委員這麼專業然後結果都丟到去全部用政治決定我認為不是個好方法我認為應該要提出我們專業的建議那我個人其實也認為其實並不是台電所採用的問題那我支持政經事務委員的凍結意義就是說"},{"start":8859.771,"end":8874.808,"text":"提進去之後然後我相信草野協商還會做一次溝通那我們也還會再去幫忙做一些說明我希望大家就像大家講到的啦你要馬兒好又要馬兒不吃草、不喝水、不吸空氣那他怎麼活所以說我認為"},{"start":8875.689,"end":8903.73,"text":"這件事情其實大家要共同來面對的不管誰執政都是遇到這樣的問題那大家務實的來幫助台電穩健經營這對台電很重要如果台電的電力有狀況台電體質不完整那其他世界外資又怎麼敢來台灣投資現在做的每個都需要電力半導體需要電力AI需要電力每個都需要電力每個城市都要求有電每個城市都要求不能缺電那怎麼做所以我希望大家審慎思考給台電更多的支持所以我建議"},{"start":8904.07,"end":8905.571,"text":"113年度追加預算部分"},{"start":8931.707,"end":8958.868,"text":"財務會及經濟委員會聯席會議所以113年度的追加預算撥補1000億的部分既然是送朝野協商所以我才會說那今天114年度也是不是一樣到時候我們就算送出去的到時候還是會朝野協商所以這個部分就是因為是涉及到整體的一個"},{"start":8960.56,"end":8960.74,"text":"陳庭輝委員"},{"start":8973.613,"end":8994.602,"text":"我覺得這個撥撥的部分其實大家都有共識就是說在當時候我們在針對這個漲電價的問題所有的不分朝野的所有的委員都認為應該是要用撥撥不是把整個電價然後轉嫁在我們說人民的身上而且這個"},{"start":8996.403,"end":9014.925,"text":"確實是因為整個原物料的調漲之後而造成我們的一個虧損的一個缺口放大所以我認為這個沒有任何爭議所以其實就是在我們經濟委員會就把它處理完然後大家認為就是要撥撥一千億那就這樣子通過那"},{"start":9015.626,"end":9040.779,"text":"草野協商那是另外一個區塊,如果我們今天說這個部分不處理然後再送草野協商那好像我們之前每一次在談到電價然後從之前的王美華部長然後到郭智慧部長每一次我們在談的部分都要求要撥補要撥補要撥補全數撥補全數撥補可是每次我們提了撥補之後又要送草野協商那到底我們的利基在哪裡"},{"start":9041.599,"end":9069.601,"text":"那就會很奇怪所以我覺得這本來就要兩塊既然我們當時候是建議要由台電我們的這個預算當中來做撥補的動作那麼我們就應該去全力支持讓他通過那如果說在朝野協商要再抽出那是另外一回事可是我們經濟委員會的態度要先表明清楚而不是我們現在送出去之後朝野協商那是我們不支持嗎可是"},{"start":9070.402,"end":9099.244,"text":"我們在質詢的時候都要求人家要趕快撥補而且又說一千億撥補不夠應該要更多那只是說在整個財主單位算完之後他們只能編列一千億那我們又不支持那到底我們是不是在自打嘴巴所以我認為這一筆預算我們應該要先行通過然後要去再做另外所謂朝野協商的另外區塊再次另外區塊態度先表明 謝謝"},{"start":9101.136,"end":9102.236,"text":"蔡義渝委員蔡義渝委員"},{"start":9124.281,"end":9141.489,"text":"不讓物價上漲他們就承擔了很很多的義務造成台電台電這樣一些不必要的虧損那我們之前在處理這個台電的預算的時候我們也苛責他要求他說他必須要去做檢探然後要去撿了"},{"start":9142.27,"end":9155.19,"text":"台中100萬噸高雄也要100萬噸所以我們苛責他一些相對的義務的時候我們又不讓他有預算又讓他有經費去執行他接下來要去做的工作"},{"start":9156.201,"end":9182.408,"text":"所以我認為經濟部在撥補的這一個一千億是絕對有必要的我們委員會我們應該要站在我們的角度是希望台電順利運作還是我們是要讓台電沒辦法做事然後我們就期待他要幹嘛幹嘛事實上那就是緣木求雨那不可能所以我反對我們在這一筆預算去做凍結或刪除"},{"start":9184.309,"end":9197.336,"text":"但是我可以崇善如流啦,如果大家願意以鄭天才的版本當作我們委員會的共同意見,這樣我就崇善如流,希望主席來做出一個有智慧的判斷。"},{"start":9203.215,"end":9225.567,"text":"113年那個1000億現在宋朝也協商了嘛那事實上今天我們在討論114年要不要再撥補這1000億那重要的背景其實就是到底台電有沒有做好開源節流有沒有做好開源節流人民在講的就是說那企業你又企3年又企5次阿你3年就漲了54啦對不對阿3年裏補了3000億阿你漏洞還是越來越大嘛"},{"start":9226.807,"end":9251.457,"text":"還是越來越大嘛那我這樣講好了你說你說你開源節流我肯定你們例如說在節電這一塊你們有在努力那現在部長也提出一個方案不錯啊有些本來補貼的要回到各個部會去那台電會省下一些錢這個都是有效的這個方法可是現在看到人民現在最不滿的是什麼當然一定是說你這個電價節過你最便宜的核電你不用嘛"},{"start":9252.742,"end":9272.227,"text":"一度1.23的你不用那你把它停掉最便宜的不用,那你先買最貴的先買那個五塊的、六塊的就造成你的成本一定是一直在提高嘛對不對那你有沒有去改變這個你的能源這個結果想辦法再便宜的多用一些然後貴的少用一些你如果沒有做這些動作"},{"start":9273.507,"end":9291.694,"text":"人民就覺得說你為什麼要再給你這個1000億 這個才是現在最大的問題啦所以就是一方面可能送朝野協商 一方面我覺得你們要想一想 到了狀態報告後的朝野協商這些問題一定也被問到嘛 當台電要拿人民的錢去撥補的時候 這1000億怎麼來欸這是超收的稅計勝宜欸 是人民繳的稅欸 是我們的錢欸"},{"start":9292.932,"end":9319.569,"text":"那進去第一個要有效第一個是臺電自己要先做好開源節流以前既然是金雞母像為什麼人家笑你說變敗家子你把開源節流做完你就可以變金雞母嘛對不對欸臺電魔幻聲啊以前大家嘴都嚇到有風的啊結果不是現在說聲索要錢怎麼去把體質改變這是一個要做的事情第二個我今天要問一個跟這個同時有關係的現在臺電如果跟我們要錢的話臺電啊現在到底有沒有缺電這是一個問題第二個台灣以北是不是缺電"},{"start":9320.868,"end":9347.506,"text":"北部有沒有缺電?你們在今年的這個北部在說我們這個要發展半導體跟AI產業那電一定大幅成長嘛,想就今年增長了3%對不對結果台電在今年的4月份講了一句話,他說北部啊北部地區已經出現供電的瓶頸接下來如果有新的網路資料中心IDC要生設的話建議先到中南部去"},{"start":9348.672,"end":9370.108,"text":"所以就是桃園以北啊 從桃園一直以北啊 不能設這個 包括輝達那時候要來輝達的網路資料中心都不能夠在桃園 那個曾董事長一直在搖頭 所以你們現在解決這個問題了 現在就是所有的包括輝達的網路資料中心都可以設在桃園跟桃園以北嘛 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謝謝那我們84案照列現在85案到95案請說明"},{"start":10983.21,"end":11009.503,"text":"跟各位委員報告那委員所關切的問題有兩點第一個有關於橋外投資減少的部分那剛才在投資市場已經有說明了因為離岸風電就今年就是有非常多的部分是透過在國內在地融資那所以如果把在地融資加進來的話其實是比去年增加兩成多那有關於這個三大投資方案的部分那這一部分"},{"start":11011.34,"end":11011.6,"text":"好,請邱智委員"},{"start":11042.764,"end":11049.813,"text":"我所提出這個關於出運投資向下05吸引台商回台投資業務證業務費我改成這個主決議是91項另外94項出運投資向下07加速投資臺灣服務計畫我也改成主決議"},{"start":11061.584,"end":11090.125,"text":"好 91、9494改組決議現在請邱益穎委員好 謝謝主席這個本席有提案第95案這個跟我上一次在質詢的時候有提出希望投審會能夠來加速辦理說明那我不知道你們大概什麼時候可以提出本席要求的這一些從我上一次質詢到現在你們什麼時候可以提出這些報告那我不堅持凍結我可以改成組決議但是我還是要請"},{"start":11090.825,"end":11091.485,"text":"邱委員你要改"},{"start":11105.014,"end":11105.475,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":11124.698,"end":11140.201,"text":"就比這個111年少了20億的美金所以整個我們看到橋外商的金額越來越少的情形之下那我們這邊是不是有更其他的經濟部有沒有去盤整整個查檢查一下看其他廠商對投資的觀望的因素有什麼困難還遭遇到什麼結構性的障礙我們要如何去協商來協助他們讓他們能夠有意願提升橋外商的這個投資在這邊"},{"start":11153.903,"end":11167.134,"text":"我予以凍結做書面報告。好,那我們現在就來處理的第85案到95案凍結500萬書面報告。接下來是96案到99案請說明。"},{"start":11177.886,"end":11197.257,"text":"章偉 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考核也是他們報資料給你們嘛"},{"start":11358.144,"end":11375.903,"text":"不是你們實質在第一線嘛捐助就是這樣嘛就是說實質上是公園院你捐助給公園院由公園院去做這些相關所謂基地的一個建置或相關的這些晶片驅動的相關創新方案嘛"},{"start":11377.071,"end":11397.83,"text":"所以我覺得這個這不是小錢啊五億或許我們看到在你們整個科專或是相關的一個捐助其實不多可是對於它的效益晶片的效益到底能夠達到什麼樣的程度我們要看的是這個標準所以我認為說"},{"start":11399.775,"end":11426.509,"text":"我是不是可以凍結然後書面就是說你到底未來在這一筆預算當中當你給工研院之後我要怎麼樣去做一些KPI的一些管考然後我到底要他們達到什麼樣的程度我覺得這是我們的責任啦其實公開今天啦你們每一次捐助完之後就是一個書面報告啦"},{"start":11427.605,"end":11435.188,"text":"然後書面報告到底他有沒有達到反正大家就是紙上談兵嘛我覺得我們還是要負責任所以我還是認為說這個部分我們是不是凍結一千萬書面報告使得動之好不好謝謝"},{"start":11446.331,"end":11446.651,"text":"邱志偉議員"},{"start":11470.497,"end":11479.344,"text":"116年才會呈現你的效果跟業界技術合作跟市場那樣才三件然後帶動半導體產業技術投資2億我們花4億我們花5億多才帶動技術投資2億這個好像少了一點"},{"start":11486.44,"end":11486.62,"text":"請回答"},{"start":11513.797,"end":11536.807,"text":"謝謝委員的質詢那我想這個部分的話同意委員的看法就是說我們應該要給他言語考核而且要求他把這個績效目標再提高啦那會前我有跟他們討論過了我們會把那個服務廠商那個加速未來4年可以增加到100家以上以上好那我們就來處理96案到99案凍結1000萬書面報告"},{"start":11542.113,"end":11565.768,"text":"好接下來是100案到101案請說明主席各位委員那100案跟101案那個陳委員跟謝委員針對經濟部興建大樓案的經費編列跟執行的期程都有所提點非常感謝那有關經費編列的部分其實我們的經費編列都是依照行政院有一個公共性費用編列基準依照那個標準去編的"},{"start":11566.948,"end":11594.746,"text":"後續還有兩層的把關機制有一個部裡面會找專家學者來審公共建設經費我們審完以後還要再送到公共工程委員會去審查所以說在經費編列的部分請各位委員放心我們完全沒有腐爛的編列在執行期程的部分之前確實是因為文化資產跟老樹的保護這個比較耗時而且不是操作在經濟部的不過也跟各位委員們報告這兩個部分最麻煩的部分現在臺北市政府已經通過了"},{"start":11595.566,"end":11595.806,"text":"陳天飛委員"},{"start":11610.661,"end":11611.562,"text":"第100案改成主決議100到101案預算照列"},{"start":11641.403,"end":11648.705,"text":"現在來處理主決議102案通過103案通過104案通過105案通過106案通過107案通過108案通過109案通過110案"},{"start":11671.926,"end":11675.032,"text":"遵照辦理通過112案遵照辦理"},{"start":11680.046,"end":11703.825,"text":"通過113案遵照辦理通過114案遵照辦理通過115案遵照辦理通過116案116案有跟委員報告那邊最後立即停止進口那邊要改成要求經濟部督促中油公司與台電公司不再簽約這跟委員有溝通過新生文字有沒有跟委員同意同意有簽名了嗎有送過來嗎要先送過來好"},{"start":11714.672,"end":11734.931,"text":"116案文字修正通過117案117案有跟委員做溝通,但委員還沒有簽名就最後面這邊我們是建議改成請經濟部向立法院經濟委員會提出電價政策書面報告你的修正文字呢?送來了沒有?因為委員是說要見證"},{"start":11741.53,"end":11760.619,"text":"可是我也沒有簽名他沒有同意你的修正文字啊這委員不在現場我們就不處理這個案啊他現在不在現場啊他不在現場我們就不處理啊好我們請政經財委員他的臉書你看一下可以齁好那我們給政經財委員簽一下"},{"start":11767.408,"end":11775.356,"text":"117案文字修正通過118案遵照辦理通過119案遵照辦理通過120案遵照辦理通過121案是測案"},{"start":11784.021,"end":11808.98,"text":"122案 遵照辦理通過123案 遵照辦理通過124案 遵照辦理通過125案 遵照辦理通過126案 遵照辦理通過127案 遵照辦理通過128案128案有跟林委員有報告過那林委員有同意修正文字他也簽名了請送過來"},{"start":11816.844,"end":11821.247,"text":"128案文字修正通過129案 通過130案 通過131案 通過132案 通過133案 通過134案"},{"start":11833.636,"end":11860.768,"text":"順照辦理通過135案順照辦理通過136案順照辦理通過137案137案有跟內委員辦公室報告因為他強調的就是在簽證園區的部分我們是希望能夠改文字就是讓我們的產業園區全部都包括經濟我們提一個通案的方案有提出來嗎有提出來那委員辦公室是說要送給委員那邊他還沒簽那你簽證的文字"},{"start":11861.872,"end":11864.774,"text":"137案137案我們請邱議員委員幫我們簽一下那就修正文字通過138案通過139案通過"},{"start":11886.738,"end":11909.867,"text":"一百四十案 通過一百四十一案 通過一百四十二案 通過一百四十三案 通過我們新增主決議一百四十三之一跟一百四十三之二通過一百四十三之二"},{"start":11915.731,"end":11925.955,"text":"通過我們先處理到這裡我們休息到12點半再繼續開會因為剛好到一個階段啦我們休息到12點半給所有的人吃飯我們12點半再繼續開會"},{"start":11942.222,"end":11942.242,"text":"好。"},{"start":11973.058,"end":11973.819,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":11996.072,"end":11997.712,"text":"委員會主席、委員會主席、委員會主席、委員會主席"},{"start":12019.7,"end":12021.901,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":12037.826,"end":12038.207,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":12054.497,"end":12056.538,"text":"一半應該是勇敢的因為他沒有寫書,他不會修讀法律你這邊會不會"},{"start":12082.194,"end":12082.555,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":12101.241,"end":12102.282,"text":"現在還是限定的嗎?"},{"start":12126.685,"end":12127.746,"text":"昨天是說趙委員講的,已經審完了,我們派系會議留了"},{"start":12460.733,"end":12466.626,"text":"大家可以去201會議室坐著那邊用餐 內政散會了 謝謝"},{"start":15157.59,"end":15174.751,"text":"好繼續開會補充一下早上我們的本部的預算143之2案經提案委員秋智偉委員同意修正通過那早上審完預算的各單位可以先行離席回去辦公"},{"start":15181.229,"end":15204.082,"text":"早上的本部的最初部分第14案楊瓊英委員的提案改成主決議好我們來現在要來處理我們經濟部的產業發展署最初的部分在144案到169案請先說明"},{"start":15211.164,"end":15226.436,"text":"是,謝謝召委。針對產業發展署工業技術升級輔導的部分,題目很多,那我把它整理成五個面向逐一做說明首先是委員關切減碳措施跟減碳路徑的部分產業發展署為了協助產業因應國際供應鏈跟國內法規的要求後續還會持續以人才培訓、輔導還有輔助等措施來協助產業繼續減碳"},{"start":15236.543,"end":15265.702,"text":"包括像明年要協助500個工廠提出自主減量計畫那這個都要讓他們在6月明年6月之前就要提出來那第二個是委員關切供給機產業的發展後續本業發展署會持續來協助輔導產業轉型並且推動跨域合作例如供給機產業除了本身領域之外未來應該跟半導體產業合作然後去從零組件從模具這一端逐一切入"},{"start":15266.522,"end":15282.232,"text":"這些都需要時間的投入跟磨合那第三個面向是委員關切離岸風電產業的發展並且能夠推動再生能源產業的那這個部分產業發展署會配合能源政策的推動讓整個風場如期的建置"},{"start":15282.812,"end":15305.101,"text":"並且朝通案的原則、個案審查的方式來持續推動整個離岸風電跟逆能政策的一個發展。第四個面向是委員們關切在企業數位轉型的這個面向。 的確產業、百工百業都面對這個課題。 我們會依照產業的行業別跟特性以及在地的需求差異化。"},{"start":15305.701,"end":15325.747,"text":"分不同的階段來提供不同的協助並且滾動的來調整相關的協助措施那第五個面向是委員關切人才尤其是在半導體人才這面向的需求那產業發展署會持續的來跟第一個包括在台的國際生讓他留在台灣能夠投入各行各業"},{"start":15326.827,"end":15354.227,"text":"第2個是各行各業有一些要待業轉業的人員,我們會增強他的人才工作技能來協助他們到各個有需要的行業別。 重觀產業發展署在行政工業技術升級輔導的經費都是我們產業所需要的,所以希望各個委員針對產業所需的這些經費能夠多來支持。 以上報告,謝謝。"},{"start":15358.804,"end":15359.525,"text":"陳婷菲委員陳婷菲委員"},{"start":15378.343,"end":15379.504,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算"},{"start":15400.225,"end":15424.359,"text":"都是北部中部就北部先知道北部先輪過一輪中部知道中部輪過一輪之後等到我們南部知道不好意思預算已經都被申請光了所以財務部現在我們重新做調整我們北中南有兩個一個台南分屬還有一個高雄分屬以前是北中高雄南其實沒有了"},{"start":15424.759,"end":15450.268,"text":"所以我覺得說現在我們有在我們的科工區有多了一個台南分署那麼我們要怎麼讓我們台南分署有一個比較好的一個發揮平台我覺得這個是我比較強調的所以我那個跟署長拜託一下在這個區塊我們應該把未來我們在明年度我們一些的計畫擬定出來我們應該辦一個說明會"},{"start":15452.689,"end":15472.509,"text":"每一個地方,我們辦說明會是一致性的喔!別說人家今天八部一本辦完了,中部辦,中部辦完了,到南部辦人家已經清了是同步,然後呢我們有單一的窗口來協助他們寫這些計畫我覺得這比較重要然後第二點就是說"},{"start":15473.769,"end":15497.905,"text":"我們應該要所謂的初階、中階、高階就是說今天每一個產業別他可能入門款他第一次在申請我們的這個政府我們產發署的預算可能他只有一開始在扣關在扣關當中可能是比較簡單不用那麼大的預算因為你給他很多預算他也不一定消耗得了就是說"},{"start":15498.973,"end":15519.341,"text":"每一個規模的不一樣我覺得你們應該細分這些讓每一個這個單位或是中小企業或是產業發展的一個區塊都能夠有這樣的一個同等的一些資訊獲得甚至得到我們的政府的協助這部分麻煩署長請楊瓊議委員"},{"start":15525.665,"end":15544.751,"text":"產法署真的很重要所以我本期要跟你討論一個原則的問題之前我也跟郭部長還有上次連次長的時候我們討論過討論過也就是說像我們中部地區我們所有機械機械產業鏈全部在我們那裡那機械產業鏈到目前為止"},{"start":15547.253,"end":15551.317,"text":"到目前為止很哀嚎。 所長你知道嗎?"},{"start":15551.317,"end":15554.46,"text":"他們現在賺都沒賺,那怎麼辦?"},{"start":15554.46,"end":15562.87,"text":"那我鼓勵他們,我說現階段就是你們轉型升級最好的機會。 那這個老闆願意,那怎麼做呢?"},{"start":15566.934,"end":15594.785,"text":"怎麼做呢?因為我們一直在做這個檢探的議題但是問題是我們大概都是中小企業為基準那當然以大代小這個概念很好或者是大家聯合這個也很好但是問題是你的基本數要能夠做好那基本數要能夠做好以現有的基礎現有的以前的投資基礎五年再延五年然後再延五年那過了"},{"start":15595.485,"end":15615.777,"text":"那現在怎麼辦?現在我們希望在有我們的資源當中可以怎麼樣真正切一塊預算真正去協助需要協助的中小企業產業我一直很希望聽到我們產發廚你要怎麼樣去協助像我們台中地區我們所有的機械類別"},{"start":15618.058,"end":15636.229,"text":"到底我們要怎麼協助他他們現在發出兩個聲音第一個我這個做會有困難我們希望政府來協助也就是以大大小的概念就像我們的這個譚雅神我們上兩個禮拜才又發布我們第二年的成果發表會這個非常好"},{"start":15638.19,"end":15639.612,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":15654.213,"end":15673.882,"text":"銀行貸款或許他一定有限那政府在機械的設備裡頭可以怎麼樣去協助他們我覺得這一點是真正能夠幫助到我們實際在座的中小企業這時候早上美光美光早上的第三辦公室我們點價完成"},{"start":15677.727,"end":15703.081,"text":"這個大家一起來關心那美光外商的部分我在會場我也說美光現在投資大概一兆那一兆他們的員工一萬一千多人在我後里地區我們有九千人第三辦公室區也今天已經落成店家完整那他目前為止幾乎九成都在我的這個中科後里區的中科"},{"start":15704.222,"end":15733.266,"text":"所以我也說因為剛好我們所有的機械類別的產業鏈都在我們中部地區所以他當然選擇我們很好的必要條件能夠在我們那裡那我們滿心的歡喜但是也就是說我們這些中小企業產發署我們要怎麼樣去協助他們我覺得這一點是我希望聽到部長還是我們署長你們可以告訴我們因為我們要求的"},{"start":15733.726,"end":15736.268,"text":"5年投資遞減創造了台灣的亞洲區的經濟四小龍的龍頭所以我們再延5年可是現在我們要怎麼辦"},{"start":15755.646,"end":15774.504,"text":"所以我終結我講的這些背景第一個怎麼樣實際上預算協助他們一個轉型這是第一個第二個也就是目前的單目前的單你只要叫我們要共體時間現在都在兩下三下"},{"start":15775.405,"end":15775.445,"text":"主席"},{"start":15802.319,"end":15803.2,"text":"兼職委員"},{"start":15832.299,"end":15832.519,"text":"中央政府總主席"},{"start":15850.791,"end":15851.311,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":15872.368,"end":15899.8,"text":"根據我們的這個臺灣工具機跟我們的零件工業同業工會他們的統計的那個數值像我們今年的113年到的1月份到這個9月份我們的出口值大概是16.26億美元相較去年就減少了3.54億美元我們希望我們的政府在這方面多加以給予輔導幫忙他們有一個競爭的出口的一個優勢好不好"},{"start":15900.92,"end":15907.142,"text":"再來第3案的話是第167案這就是我們製造業的數位轉型在目前來看的話不管是112年到我們113年從第一階段的數位化跟我們第二階段的數位優化跟第三階段的數位轉型我們這個比例看到的成長都非常不好並沒有都超過50%都在30.8、5.2跟7%沒有辦法讓我們所有的數位轉型"},{"start":15929.73,"end":15930.15,"text":"請邱志偉委員"},{"start":15959.535,"end":15982.15,"text":"我想這筆預算121非常重要因為它是過去在六大核心戰略產業基礎我們再加上未來半導體、人工智慧、軍方、安控跟通訊所謂五大現代產業所以你們推動了所謂我看62項計畫都是扣合過去六大核心之後衍生的五大現代產業"},{"start":15983.231,"end":16007.636,"text":"這個對於我們未來產業升級或者技術升級是非常重要所以關於產業發展組這筆預算第一幕的部分諸多計畫我們都支持我們沒有一個委員有提案要簡列我們都希望說給你們充分的預算能夠有效的有效果有效率的推動各項的計畫那我的提案呢"},{"start":16008.576,"end":16008.936,"text":"鄭正前委員"},{"start":16032.535,"end":16049.813,"text":"本期這邊第152案改組決議162案這邊也改組決議那163案這邊的時候那個也關於那個經營碳排有關係那我要講說請產發組這邊提供一個完整的書面資料給我們因為這是零件起委員特別提案的謝謝"},{"start":16054.037,"end":16054.718,"text":"陳婷菲委員陳婷菲委員"},{"start":16081.749,"end":16110.844,"text":"好,我們現在先請他補充說明各個委員的詢問好,是,我這邊針對剛剛委員發言順序做簡單的回答首先是陳情委員說要我們建一個平台單一窗口北中南同步辦理這個我們來做處理這個沒有問題那第二個是剛剛楊卓英委員所指導的就是說在機械產業、工機產業如何協助他們升級轉型的確現在在這兩個產業相對的是比較辛苦我在上個禮拜也跟兩位理事長都做過請益那後續我們工作的推動也會"},{"start":16111.724,"end":16113.145,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":16144.907,"end":16151.774,"text":"我們現在分為兩個部分,機械列別,我們的人都很客氣,也都有來拜訪,跟你們的單位都有來拜訪。"},{"start":16160.542,"end":16179.149,"text":"現在我有一個想法就是說因為如果沒有聽他們的意見想法我們出來的方式似乎跟現在一樣他搭不上他根本搭不上那如果說像我舉例早上美光這個這個如果沒有他們他也動不了"},{"start":16180.009,"end":16181.711,"text":"兩大工會都有在研擬方案"},{"start":16196.892,"end":16199.875,"text":"第2個也就是預算的部分特別在機械類別機械的設備有沒有納入在你們協助的範圍"},{"start":16223.925,"end":16242.582,"text":"有沒有納入?本期要聽的是這一點,我機械要升級以前投資體檢可以,你們也幫助他們銀行團可以到幫忙,都有協助那現在怎麼辦呢?如果我的確是這個需求,那你們這兩個方向會不會去協助?"},{"start":16243.439,"end":16243.499,"text":"有的"},{"start":16266.926,"end":16267.847,"text":"你怎麼寫出來?"},{"start":16267.847,"end":16281.978,"text":"是,跟國人報告,像智慧機械就是我們要協助業界要推動的重點,各行各業都必須要用到機械,那機械現在有一個,一個是數位化,你必須要能夠聯網,要有機會可以整"},{"start":16282.638,"end":16300.095,"text":"整個接受控制調配生產線有效率的一個運作第二個要節能這個地碳化所以在工具機工會機械工會都有談到說機械設備跟工具機設備也都要有減碳的一個認證這個我們也都在處理之中"},{"start":16301.81,"end":16320.059,"text":"檢測認證當然啊,那你是負責認證還是負責機械設備的費用,也有協助。你要叫我換一台機器,比如說要一千萬,你不幫我補助,我要一千萬,有的大的OK,但是多數90%的人他自己處理沒辦法。"},{"start":16321.419,"end":16347.972,"text":"這個部分你們有沒有討論?像現在業界在呼籲就是說我們這些行業別裡面所用的機械設備可能都比較老舊了那應該要順應時代發展潮流來用這些有節能效果而且相對整個是比較效益比較好的那這個他們已經提出這個呼籲我們也會來跟各個有沒有預算出來?我們這個工作項目會來做一些搭配"},{"start":16348.832,"end":16351.293,"text":"會搭配就是會補助是不是?"},{"start":16351.293,"end":16368.5,"text":"有一些不見得是補助,應該是輔導,然後讓一些要用設備的人,因為設備是要用到各個不同的應用領域,不管是食品機械,或者是化工等等,他都需要有設備的應用。 領域當然啦,因為部長坐在這裡,他是你的靠山啦。 是。"},{"start":16371.121,"end":16393.553,"text":"所以我當我們討論真正的講一些雜誌墨粉都沒用就是說我企業我中小企業企業我管你要來智慧那我要投資啊要轉一定要有錢啊你會不會協助你會不會協助我本是要問的就是這個對這個會來協助我如果要換一台企業比如說五百萬我五百萬你可以協助我幾%"},{"start":16398.317,"end":16398.417,"text":"郭文貴議員"},{"start":16424.039,"end":16424.9,"text":"中小企業署有信貸基金可以借給他嗎?"},{"start":16447.301,"end":16472.751,"text":"我親自就是這樣 我就去看你信貸基金 你信貸基金我現在就貸得很薄啊 已經4年了 你要叫我蓋這個機械 你沒有他們蓋也不好啊 所以本市長講的就是 你要讓他們改機械你是不是這個機械可以幫他們補助 你譬如說比例可以多一點啊 這樣你才會暢通啊 對不對 要不然你再怎麼樣 誰也是大驚的貴驚 中小的也是還要被救護啊"},{"start":16477.3,"end":16497.088,"text":"這種部分我們因為這個目的是在節能減碳 那麼至於說幫助中小企業能夠讓它起來 我們還是盡量用它自己協助它增持 這也是節能減碳啊 不然你記得在那裏補補給我 這樣也不行啊 所以我就想說他要照顧自己 我前陣子可以理事省去幫忙"},{"start":16499.053,"end":16503.374,"text":"所以這個就是我們從頭到尾講過半個鐘頭 署長在這裏、部長在這裏 您都跟我們的工會、工會、我們的中小企業都有聯繫 啊我們的通科您都知道 啊您都不要跟我們解割 對不對 啊您讓它這樣到尾流還是一樣沒成績啊"},{"start":16521.98,"end":16526.003,"text":"還是要沒成績啊?我們是基本上齁,因為他如果說可以買這些東西,我們是沒有錢幫他補償,我們是用稅金來給他撿啦,稅金。"},{"start":16537.353,"end":16540.616,"text":"就是這樣就是答不到那個成效嗎?"},{"start":16540.616,"end":16564.014,"text":"是的 阿是你們有架勢 你們也要去改變 是的 我們的預算有限啦 不是預算 我們的預算你怎麼看 所以在我們一個結論 是不是請你們去研擬真正我們剛好趁現在兩個公會也在提案 提案上的他們的需求 那最實際需要的"},{"start":16564.955,"end":16566.617,"text":"我們會來第一個協助他們先拿單啦"},{"start":16585.097,"end":16607.746,"text":"他沒長,你再給他解釋一下好不好?沒有沒有沒有,解釋都要,他不能這樣說你長了,你做不改也不好啊,所以兩個要同步啊是,謝謝委員,這個部分我們會來努力啦我們現在開始,從明年開始我們會在基層上面完全去深入了解啦,完全深入了解你剛才講的那個工會的部分,給我們的訊息不一定是正確啦"},{"start":16616.548,"end":16626.01,"text":"公衛給你的訊息又沒有真正的表現公衛實際在做的不詳細、複雜,你是好人,你又說這些,打這打那我現在具體建議第一個機械設備節能減碳的這個部分升級版希望具體能夠協助機械設備的費用買賣的費用你們去研擬第二個單你趕快去想辦法救救他們"},{"start":16643.414,"end":16645.416,"text":"兩三個星期我真的很緊張現在他們的痛苦就是這麼痛苦因為這是一個經濟戀"},{"start":16658.266,"end":16658.486,"text":"請邱志偉委員"},{"start":16683.338,"end":16701.062,"text":"中小企業轉型很重要,那個主要是你們市政計畫裡面,所以這個部分121裡面我也想請教一下署長,你這個推動中小企業轉型的部分要花多少錢在這部分?因為中小企業集中在中南部,那個數位轉型非常重要,你差不多用多少錢放在這裡?"},{"start":16705.384,"end":16729.338,"text":"跟委員報告我們有幾支計畫都是在這個行業裡頭在應用的啦像比如說中小企業淨零轉型裡面有1億4那在那個智慧機械的部分這一些推動了跟國際連結包括去爭取訂單的這個有9735萬那在智慧機械技術提升補助"},{"start":16730.239,"end":16747.838,"text":"蘇長,你有沒有看到這一期商周?以前過去是黃金小鎮共產的六四困難你有沒有看到這一期商周?傳統產業面臨到這個寒冬石化、鋼鐵、鉤建甚至工具機在台中做工具機面臨到中國的這個"},{"start":16749.48,"end":16752.023,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":16773.939,"end":16775.019,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":16799.184,"end":16800.745,"text":"請陳昌明委員今天主要談工業技術升級輔導"},{"start":16828.601,"end":16848.572,"text":"一共一百二十一億一千一百五十八萬其實工業技師的輔導是非常的重要尤其剛剛楊強永委、邱志榮就談到我們中小企業、傳統產業現在看起來大家都寫得好像非常好"},{"start":16849.452,"end":16866.093,"text":"我從工商日報、經濟日報都很少提到這個問題但是我們下鄉的時候大家是嗷嗷待服都說經營的非常困難所以在這個地方我們一定要加強現在看報紙在宣傳台灣好像"},{"start":16867.815,"end":16880.142,"text":"很好、好、去也要這樣一片繁榮發展,但是實質上這個也是面臨競爭,所以他的轉型你要去輔導他,非常非常的重要,好不好?"},{"start":16880.142,"end":16882.624,"text":"是。 這條大家講一下,不然我聽得好聽不?"},{"start":16882.624,"end":16883.624,"text":"部長啊,你要注意喔,"},{"start":16887.073,"end":16908.225,"text":"產業公會裏面在談的當然是有真,但是大部分是真的他們會一直跟你講,這你先不要聽,當然你企鴻該聽,但是你可能專精某一項,你不一定專精哪一項那今天我要談的時候,我就覺得現在的執政黨有一個問題"},{"start":16909.909,"end":16927.822,"text":"本來這個問題我都不問的但是財政部說出話不滿出來我們不講說你本來是右邊駕駛又改為左邊那整個經濟部大概少了300億你在這裡面我看了報導裡面你的科技計畫減了116億116億你有技術出了技術師了還有這個"},{"start":16938.103,"end":16940.405,"text":"我本來對執政黨還有一點憤怯,但是有時候很生氣。"},{"start":16965.739,"end":16983.671,"text":"這個預算還在審結果我們的官員當初下來的時候都說國民黨主導預算哪裏有主導預算我們的預算幾乎都是在過年前再加開臨時會過去的安寧家人執政黨的官員我希望經濟部不要這麼講話"},{"start":16986.283,"end":16998.932,"text":"還沒審預算說國民黨就要阻擋這個預算不通過,好像財政措施不方法,要抓緊,要抓緊,做企業的人沒錢有沒錢的辦法在,我們的政府好像沒錢就不可以辦事在,這個觀念要改。本來我是很簡單要給你們過,我看部長那麼擔心,不擔心,他說減180億,你這裡減120億,"},{"start":17016.596,"end":17040.803,"text":"不要這樣說,大家要面對事實,而且這個雖然過了,我們來曉得有些要協商的地方你不要隨著中央行政院叫你講話,這裏面沒古條講會聽你講到水的計劃等水利市我再好好跟你討論以前是怎麼做的,現在怎麼做的,都知道你們在講的沒有真正真正的解釋,我也不擔心不知道你們開的台"},{"start":17042.332,"end":17043.033,"text":"請郭部長回答"},{"start":17077.626,"end":17103.347,"text":"報告委員,左邊跳右邊的意思就是說本來預算是要這樣走嘛這也兇兇,財政收支法下跌了幾年沒運用,卸財到青梅,後年才開始你們這樣給我們好,還有一點是,謝謝委員知道不是,你還講到說那個輝達、AMD、那個美光我們沒有這些支持他不會來,他們的財產很多,他們財產很多"},{"start":17107.389,"end":17132.675,"text":"他們資產很多像會長現在的市值達到3兆多以我們的意思說我們不會我們是靠我們的技術靠台灣的吸引力他們好像看你這個說你這樣給你台3百億就進不來假設台幣說減3百億就進不來不要這樣恐嚇我們好不好我們的意思不是這個樣子我只是說"},{"start":17134.815,"end":17147.622,"text":"這個會影響到我們的合約的進行那麼對外國的廠商來講你隨便去影響合約的進行這個會造成困擾但是你們要想盡辦法"},{"start":17149.309,"end":17149.869,"text":"主席主席主席"},{"start":17167.799,"end":17169.46,"text":"主席主席主席主席"},{"start":17184.298,"end":17196.446,"text":"委員都詢問清楚了那我們來處理144案到169案第152案162案改成主決議那我們這個部分本期是147案是簡略1000萬然後156案本來是斷解改為主決議"},{"start":17210.854,"end":17225.962,"text":"這是本席第幾案主決議156案改為主決議好你現在到169144到169然後呢你的147案減列1000萬減列1000萬對因為我們一直在說機械你要幫我們補走你跟一尊公會說不一定有尊"},{"start":17239.35,"end":17251.388,"text":"然後呢 現在也沒有這個項目那我們也希望說 署長你這邊要提出方案 署長部長也說要提出方案 檢定一千萬你要做說明嗎"},{"start":17253.859,"end":17280.76,"text":"我們是建議能夠改為主決議啦報告委員我們產創條例修法10條之一也把智慧機械延續然後呢後續相關的這些國內的低碳化智慧化在導入設備的時候我們都鼓勵業者來使用國產設備這個也都做了一陣子產創條例是我們修的嘛這是我們修的我們當然很清楚啊但是你現在他們實際上需要的沒有啊你知道我們這貸款"},{"start":17282.021,"end":17293.765,"text":"你為什麼不聽?你叫我們去貸款,本金我們就沒有本金,為什麼要去貸款?我們現在已經到上限,現在幾個月就有兩成、三成而已,像樓市就存一成,樓市就沒生意了,他們怎麼可能有生意?"},{"start":17299.471,"end":17312.577,"text":"跟委員報告因為的確預算有限 那我們來演繹一下看怎麼樣是對業界最有效益的方式你講到這個預算有限我就很生氣 部長 中小企業部分變3億只有3億捏 我們臺灣的中小企業佔所有產業95%你求我們中小企業 求到這種程度變成3億"},{"start":17329.878,"end":17356.212,"text":"該編的不編,中小企業只有編列3億,你覺得這麼沒力嗎?你覺得這麼沒力嗎?跟委員報告,其實不是中小企業編3億啦,我剛剛是舉例說在智慧機械那邊有些協助輔導的規範計畫啊對啊,啊你編列3億你就是公共無財調罪嘛,就是比照今年比照去年嘛,因為你執行不了啊,對不對?"},{"start":17357.677,"end":17374.175,"text":"你執行不了啊長老鼠 對不對 我真的希望說預算我們是要用在產業他們真正一用得到的啦 對不對 你既然要補走這也公公道道啊 你還要補多少以前補什麼"},{"start":17376.738,"end":17376.758,"text":"請說明"},{"start":17399.05,"end":17418.082,"text":"中小企業組在明年度編列協助中小企業相關的預算有53億在中小企業發展基金的部分也有編列30多億我現在是在講他這一個部長我們現在正在問問題你把大科目都出了你如果要說大科目我跟你講這個是121億"},{"start":17420.043,"end":17429.548,"text":"是,就跟我們報告 不是這樣搪塞啦 來啦機械我剛剛特別講了機械的升級轉型我們要錢去賣你機械要怎麼幫我們報啦 對不對你們要一個方向嘛 對不對"},{"start":17437.881,"end":17440.442,"text":"要不要一個方向協助我們?"},{"start":17440.442,"end":17443.223,"text":"你們再做一個研議啊?"},{"start":17443.223,"end":17451.827,"text":"研議再做一個確定的書面報告出來。 工會這邊討論一下做一下研議方式。 來沒關係你多久方案給我們?"},{"start":17451.827,"end":17459.911,"text":"我們盡快兩個月來跟這些工會然後討論完然後把方向擬出來。 過年時間改過啦,不可以兩個月啦。 要怎麼過年?"},{"start":17459.911,"end":17460.511,"text":"因為過年時間給一個方案出來。"},{"start":17465.913,"end":17469.334,"text":"主席,我的案子是151案因為相關業務單位有來說明所以我就把它改成主決議"},{"start":17490.251,"end":17491.913,"text":"151案、152案、156案、162案改成主決議"},{"start":17511.572,"end":17529.486,"text":"147案我們就改凍結2000萬報告後使得凍結這個沒關係大家一起努力但是做一個主決議也就是針對機械類別機械的轉型協助的方案"},{"start":17530.206,"end":17549.697,"text":"於這個過年前要提出實際上對我們機械產業升級的這個方案實際補助的提出方案好不好最後一個主決議出來你們趕快寫還有什麼意見我們一起再做個宣布一個主席我的150案還有這個161案我改為主決議"},{"start":17561.289,"end":17566.795,"text":"還有169對改為主決議我的164如果凍結200萬可以嗎164我們全案一起凍好不好全案一起凍我也是建議全案一起凍好對那好"},{"start":17585.219,"end":17593.306,"text":"那現在144案到169案改為主決議的本席來宣布一下150案150、151、152、156、162跟169還有161"},{"start":17612.093,"end":17613.637,"text":"再重復一次改為主決議案150、151、152、156、161、162"},{"start":17624.119,"end":17633.103,"text":"還有169案改為主決議那我們全案凍結3000萬凍結3000萬然後針對我們的機械轉型的研議跟輔導要做一個主決議給我們好不好然後那個凍結3000萬然後訓練報告時的動之"},{"start":17648.018,"end":17648.579,"text":"現在我們討論170到171請說明"},{"start":17664.244,"end":17684.775,"text":"好,是,針對170案的部分是委員針對中小企業製造數位轉型的部分那這邊做一點報告當然我們也算了一下製作會的一個調查在112年製造業到中小企業數位化的比例大概就93%那的確還有一些必須要再持續精進那再來就是中小企業對於海外的市場的這個營收呢"},{"start":17686.116,"end":17709.504,"text":"也如同剛剛講的就是要去做一個拓展但我們後續會透過工協會合作跟實體線上的方式把一些操作solution利用典範案例來加以擴散那對於在地的這些數位化我們會看行業別跟在地需求來提供差異化的一個設計機制來對我們的中小企業做相關的一個輔導"},{"start":17710.504,"end":17727.758,"text":"那在171案的部分是委員針對SIF部的一個說明那我們會按照環境部所公布的法規然後來督促要求業者那早上也說明過了業者也都承諾會做相關的回饋那在這個過程裡面我們也跟台灣市政府的"},{"start":17728.218,"end":17728.419,"text":"以上報告"},{"start":17746.029,"end":17764.682,"text":"蘇長您的報告就是我們桃園的是3家SRF的廠商是一定要進來那只是環境部要做最嚴苛的一個標準所以我希望你們也要參照歐盟的標準所以空污的問題的話現在我們都要節能減碳也要淋碳排了所以這部分你們一定要嚴格把關這個空污影響我們"},{"start":17766.323,"end":17786.527,"text":"170"},{"start":17798.347,"end":17799.168,"text":"那你們呢?"},{"start":17799.168,"end":17800.268,"text":"現在有什麼經濟?"},{"start":17800.268,"end":17814.236,"text":"你們公白?跟委員報告 這個預算 一般行政的科目就是我們的所謂的相關的人事啊 費用 這個都是必要的一個維持的支出啦 所以希望委員能夠來幫我們支持"},{"start":17816.561,"end":17816.581,"text":"172-174請說明"},{"start":17846.072,"end":17873.146,"text":"177-174是針對工業管理計劃的部分謝謝委員對於這個事情的關心這個案子主要是在製造業化學災害的預防還有應變能力的輔導、運作安全技術還有信念規劃大概委員有提出這個案件本署在這個工作推送上面除了包括既有的大型石化公安的輔導之外也會督導業者來落實相關危險品的申報"},{"start":17873.806,"end":17873.946,"text":"請稱立費委員"},{"start":17896.251,"end":17897.172,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":17912.422,"end":17912.963,"text":"請親自委員很簡單173案改成組決議"},{"start":17941.889,"end":17948.575,"text":"好,那我們直接處理172到174173案改成主決議那我們這3案一起凍結100萬書面報告時的動之好,現在處理主決議第175案 准在辦理通過"},{"start":17965.503,"end":17968.985,"text":"176案 通過177案 通過178案 通過179案 通過180案 通過181案 通過182案 通過183案 通過184案 通過185案"},{"start":17995.393,"end":18020.769,"text":"還有另外一個185之一機械的主決議寫好了嗎是不是我們馬上處理一下再送過來我們換下一個部會了好你們寫了嗎好所以等會我們再處理185之一案"},{"start":18023.73,"end":18030.993,"text":"現在開始是國際貿易署的稅入部分186案請說明好 通過"},{"start":18038.973,"end":18063.524,"text":"那接下來是187到189請說明是謝謝委員187到189委員關心的有主要的有三點第一個是我們出口減碳計畫的114的經費較去年減少這主要的原因是因為我們是幫中小企業去了解全世界50個國家他的主要的減碳政策還有"},{"start":18064.564,"end":18081.169,"text":"世界上100大的品牌廠商他們對於減碳的需求這些資訊都在113年完成所以114年只是做更新所以在經費部的部分我們沒有像113年需要這麼多"},{"start":18082.981,"end":18101.089,"text":"第二點是委員有關心我們跟環境部有沒有做橫向的聯繫,我們一直跟環境部保持密切的聯繫,因為這個我們現在呢已經跟歐盟有進行多次的諮商,歐盟的官方也已經確認我們未來"},{"start":18103.846,"end":18130.213,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。 是可以去扣抵歐盟這個CBAM的相關的費用但是目前還在細節還在做相關的這個相關的這個協商那第三點是委員關心中小企業數據貿易平台這個這個平台呢最主要是幫助我們的廠商運用AI的方式去了解世界他的主要的這個目標國相關的貿易數據那"},{"start":18133.214,"end":18133.654,"text":"好,請邱智慧委員"},{"start":18164.03,"end":18179.339,"text":"好 謝謝這個師長的說明這個我想提案委員都不在我建議數位貿易制部分經費照列本席在這邊不是187、188嗎187到189是本席的189案改成主決議"},{"start":18189.059,"end":18189.379,"text":"現在是190到204"},{"start":18203.995,"end":18225.404,"text":"請說明 是跟委員報告190到203案總共15案大概可以分4類來說明第一個是大阪市博會的這個經費的執行委員關心為什麼到8月才到才執行了38%這個主要的原因是因為總共有一百多個國家去申請"},{"start":18226.164,"end":18249.061,"text":"要建立這個展館,但是大會的人力有限,審查的速度非常的慢。到了今年的3月我們才拿到開空的許可,但是我們加緊的腳步,到今年12月呢,可以預計這個諮詢率可以到達97%,那明年1月底整個工程可以完成。"},{"start":18250.342,"end":18262.645,"text":"我也有關心我們這個在媒體廣宣的部分經費較去年為多對不起明年度的這個媒體廣宣費用較今年為多"},{"start":18263.925,"end":18280.895,"text":"最主要的這個原因呢是因為明年是正式營運的期間我們會在各大媒體還有這個日本的相關的旅遊雜誌等等做這個集中式的還有像一些網站等等還有邀請網紅來幫我們做宣傳對不起"},{"start":18288.086,"end":18312.6,"text":"第二點是補助廠商分散及拓展海外市場的計劃委員的關心是有沒有設有追蹤機制我們一定會有這樣的追蹤機制會用問卷還有電訪的方式而且是每一季去了解相關的執行的進度那我們自己設下的追蹤的方式是要連續去追蹤三年"},{"start":18313.28,"end":18331.215,"text":"瞭解廠商得到政府的協助之後呢,他後續的經營的方式。第三點是委員關心新南向在112年的這個出口值是較111年衰退的。那最主要跟委員報告因為112年"},{"start":18333.632,"end":18351.566,"text":"有碰到這個通膨還有地緣政治的影響所以我們112年是叫111年衰退但是113年1到11月我們的這個出口金額已經有成長叫去年同期是成長13%最後一個是委員關心"},{"start":18357.737,"end":18378.47,"text":"臺中水南這個會展中心的進展這個案子在今年的3月行政院合定之後我們已經在10月份跟臺中市府有簽約那臺中市府也在11月的時候呢就有公告這個專案管理的招標以上說明請稱立委員"},{"start":18380.614,"end":18405.319,"text":"我想這個國際貿易署其實你們的拓展非常重要就是說行銷跟媒宣大概都是你們在拓展計畫佔的非常重要比例如果我們出去展覽然後沒有媒宣的話也一點意義都沒有所以我覺得這個比例增加我覺得是有必要的可是當你增加之後那你預期達到的效果是什麼"},{"start":18405.999,"end":18434.481,"text":"這也是我們所關心尤其我在1999案的部分就是說我們在整個補助廠商分散開拓海外市場計畫那我們怎麼去做這些補助的依據有些我們現在已經很知識化可是現在真的不能是知識化有些所謂的一個發展重點全世界"},{"start":18435.402,"end":18453.834,"text":"全世界有一些我們的廠商他現在是他們非常重要的一些這個邀約的對象也就是說邀請你們去海外拓展他們的市場甚至是瞭解我們的實力所以他們會邀約"},{"start":18455.015,"end":18481.626,"text":"如果邀約之後我們又是很自私的話用我們現在因為你們都有一個規定嘛然後我今天有出去參展的然後多少錢然後比例多少如果都是用這樣的一個概念的話說真的根本走不出去我就用一個最簡單我們的傳統產業你像我們的鞋我們鞋說真的在過去說台灣的大家都比第一"},{"start":18481.966,"end":18499.771,"text":"第一大逃亡可是現在沒有我們在被所有的這個市場全部打完之後我們台灣協要去這個展覽如果像去日本現在在協展覽就是日本我們如果沒有維持五年基本上日本不會下訂單了"},{"start":18501.721,"end":18529.519,"text":"為什麼?因為他不知道你什麼時候會不見啊他對於每個產業傳統產業的穩定性大家是存持質疑的你必須讓他看到你五年你都來參展我可能在第五年我才給你下訂單可是你知道嗎傳統產業他要一年五年去參加參展他要花多少錢可能五年他要支出的可能要300萬"},{"start":18531.445,"end":18534.644,"text":"但是在第5年他能拿到多少訂單 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20億20億展覽期間有多長?半年6個月"},{"start":18827.059,"end":18833.582,"text":"大會的主題是生命的多元然後用科技的方式去探索這個人類的永續發展所以呢因為這是要用科技來展示主題"},{"start":18854.93,"end":18881.691,"text":"是,那剛好因為臺灣的強項就是我們的科技力所以呢我們會用科技的方式去呈現臺灣的多元的風貌、自然的風景還有我們科技的實力讓這個觀展者進來之後呢能夠認識臺灣、瞭解臺灣甚至呢對臺灣有一種期待我是為什麼問這個問題我記得前前後後編了將近二三十年"},{"start":18883.581,"end":18890.134,"text":"我現在在看你們補助廠商分散及開拓外貿市場計畫,農莊及農業業務。"},{"start":18894.083,"end":18916.877,"text":"你這個大阪世界博覽會你這樣蓋20幾頁這樣給結了效果有多大當然日本他的科技演稱啊大家在筆稿我不曉得多少有效用有多少那剛剛聽你呢有800萬的文獻那800萬就是要怎麼做文獻所以我覺得這個編起來好像很奇怪那你20幾億的話最主要是用在哪個地方是"},{"start":18924.193,"end":18939.04,"text":"過招務還是裡面的內容。 大家幫我們報告一下,我們撒謊。 報告委員,20例裡面建造的工程費用是最高的。 建造完成給誰用?"},{"start":18939.04,"end":18946.763,"text":"我們就是會有一個展館的呈現。 不是我們展館,如果展覽結束這個會館是給哪裡的?"},{"start":18946.763,"end":18948.664,"text":"現在正在研議後續要怎麼處理?"},{"start":18948.664,"end":18950.285,"text":"是產權歸我們還是柔軟日本在用?"},{"start":18953.516,"end":18979.151,"text":"報告委員大會有規定要拆除所以拆除之後我們要如何來處理這個部分我們會再去做討論建築費用請問一下比例佔了多少?總共佔管的只有你建築的費用部分13億好好好偉大的臺灣謝謝好請協助委員朝明先生我可以跟您做個補充"},{"start":18980.669,"end":18982.952,"text":"從4月13日至11月13日,高峰期是2015年"},{"start":18997.953,"end":19011.9,"text":"2014年度所以為什麼這個今年特別多因為是第三年明年就要舉行了所以明年4月到10月預算已經到了最後第四年所以今年的高峰變成11億如果沒記錯的話7億"},{"start":19015.862,"end":19017.723,"text":"同樣規模其他的管比如說韓國管"},{"start":19036.482,"end":19036.682,"text":"央權委員"},{"start":19057.316,"end":19068.535,"text":"一筆20億的預算當時在邱昭偉主持的時候其實大家討論很多啦就是我們的立場到底是以"},{"start":19070.222,"end":19087.331,"text":"我們中華民國國家還是以公司的立場還有我們的掌管到底是在國家區還是在一般商業公司區"},{"start":19089.916,"end":19117.449,"text":"當時最大的爭議就是在這裡那你一百一十二開始逃稅了就稅了還要怎麼讓這個後面不讓你變二十億但是我們還是要給國人瞭解我們希望待會聽到你的聲音到底是我們是掌管是在美國哪一國國家區還有一區叫做公司區"},{"start":19118.63,"end":19146.622,"text":"那我們是在哪一區因為這個位階差很多啦所以我們希望待會還是要了解這第一點第二點本來我是說凍結10%啦我可以改為主決議啦但是我想這個展館也為國宣傳也是很重要所以到時候可能也監禁經濟委員會可以去擴產啦大家去宣導一下這是我的建議來請說明"},{"start":19148.263,"end":19148.303,"text":"主席"},{"start":19179.004,"end":19179.304,"text":"補充說明"},{"start":19200.279,"end":19214.695,"text":"當初編列的時候沒有料到後來是因為能源價格高漲缺工很嚴重但是我們有要求執行單位一定要克服這種困難所以我們現在才能夠如期的完成展館的相關的"},{"start":19218.158,"end":19220.059,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算"},{"start":19241.031,"end":19252.999,"text":"我們是斜對面的話是沙烏地阿拉伯的管那經委會如果要去考察的話我們也可以安排以上報告好"},{"start":19254.474,"end":19276.207,"text":"所以現在說明的就是我們是在公司區啦因為我們預算都已經全力支持了就是希望要做到能夠真正有作效啦而不是說預算讓我們擦脂摸魂不讓國人了解我們的樣態是怎麼樣嘛"},{"start":19277.788,"end":19288.778,"text":"因為大家也知道在國際間我們是辛苦的那我們也願意支持之後但是呢還是要讓國人知道內容我們是在公司區第二個我倒是覺得說"},{"start":19294.946,"end":19323.805,"text":"在於整個宣傳的內容物我比較重視這個應該要有我們台灣的這個元素因為既然我們場館是我們的當然我們自己建設我們自己佈置就一定要有我們中華民國台灣的這個元素這樣子才能夠真正達到我們花了20億它會有一點成效 對不對這個在佈建的時候我特別勉勵"},{"start":19324.906,"end":19324.957,"text":"立法院第11屆第2會議"},{"start":19328.371,"end":19328.791,"text":"請清理委員"},{"start":19358.971,"end":19358.991,"text":"193案"},{"start":19385.291,"end":19410.067,"text":"193案改成主決議194案主決議196案主決議然後再請經濟部領一個主決議我們經濟委員會要去考察這個國際展館好不好那這個部分的話我們預算全部照列主決議啊會館有多大內容有多大內容是什麼我們一定要了解二十幾億不是小筆錢啊"},{"start":19411.653,"end":19432.913,"text":"我看這是我們所有參展的錢花的最多的地方,不曉得碰到日本就很大了,就特別花的多。我們也要了解一下。 現在請你們準備的主決議,針對陳昌明委員所提的展館的大小、花錢的方向,這整個項目的話寫得清楚一點,這個主決議。 是。"},{"start":19439.858,"end":19457.464,"text":"那你再補一次主決議在支持的預算裡面好產業發展署新增185支議案請問有無異議沒有異議好通過好所以"},{"start":19467.748,"end":19473.291,"text":"我們的國貿署剛剛的193案到204案有聽清楚齁 趕快補個主決議過來主席阿 我203阿齁203跟這個195我改成主決議203195我202也改主決議 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對不對所以真的這位參展局是我一定要全力支持你們的預算但是我講的這兩點你可不可以做到經濟方案你把經濟方案給我們經濟委員會"},{"start":20378.792,"end":20379.512,"text":"請求議員委員"},{"start":20409.643,"end":20434.228,"text":"局長您剛剛講到我們那個專利的申請是14個月嘛平均是14個月你說在前段班所以前段班的意思是怎樣目前來講我想在你這個速度是算快的還有發動更快的技術因為我覺得有一些新創有一些科技是日新月異你的審查時間拖了太久很可能那整個專利或者是有一些東西就被超越就被拿走了"},{"start":20434.528,"end":20457.201,"text":"發言委員我想在整個國際上來講先在韓國來講差不多16個月日本也差不多是這樣子那美國20幾個月台灣來講14個月算OK但是你剛剛有特別提到對新創我們有對一個新創產業專利加速審查目前來講他只要符合新創這部分我們會讓他差不多2.5個月之內就會有個結果我們這裡有個特別的一個加速措施"},{"start":20458.413,"end":20473.071,"text":"我另外要想請教就是說我們有一些專利的申請其實對於國內的有一些產業其實是好的比如說我前一陣子去參加那個"},{"start":20474.532,"end":20498.41,"text":"新創展發現有一個人他研發了一頂這個工程帽裡面是有一些sensor有拿到你們的專利權所以那個sensor是可以如果工程人員戴上那一頂工程帽的話他在整棟建築工地裡頭是可以很快的偵測到第一他有沒有正確佩戴第二他人的位置第三他還可以感應到現場的比如說有一些沼氣或有一些有毒氣體什麼什麼的"},{"start":20499.751,"end":20527.59,"text":"那我覺得像這樣子的一個專利的申請它其實對於未來的公共安全是有幫助的是有助益的我覺得像這樣的一個專利我不知道有沒有可能制裁局這邊你可以去協助推廣比如說我們在推動這個公安的防治的注重的這個部分也能夠有一些相關的去推廣我當然不是說叫你去幫這一個公司因為他申請的專利但是我認為我們的有一些專利權"},{"start":20529.011,"end":20544.649,"text":"的研發設計其實是對於台灣整體的不管是產業或者是公共安全都其實是有相關的那這一方面制裁局跟其他的單位有沒有一些相關的互相配合的可以精進的地方"},{"start":20545.009,"end":20545.489,"text":"好,請正正前委員"},{"start":20577.438,"end":20584.025,"text":"針對制裁局在這個財產業科技發展的部分的時候明年編列2億4876萬元比今年增加了53047000元增幅超過25%那我們都知道其實制裁局這邊其實應該是對於整個"},{"start":20595.318,"end":20609.09,"text":"臺灣的新創跟高科技很重要的一個後盾不要讓他們的制裁權受到了一個迫害可是我在這個部分因為本席這邊是主張其實要凍結五千萬元那最主要原因是因為我發現有一個比較"},{"start":20611.109,"end":20629.134,"text":"矛盾的地方是我們制裁局這邊所通過的一個那個專利的部分那麼在從今年前三季我們從智慧財產法庭民事第一審專利訴訟事件有效抗辯的這個案子當中我們發現每10個案子啊"},{"start":20629.634,"end":20650.311,"text":"有9個案子都被制裁法院打臉這表示什麼東西我們制裁局通過的專利只要一到制裁法院去的時候呢10個案子有9個案子都被否定掉可是我們發現制裁法院當中有計審官其實我們制裁局所推出去的專業的人士那我就不懂"},{"start":20650.991,"end":20656.953,"text":"對於這個部分本席這邊主張先凍結就是5000萬那等到那個制裁局這邊提出完整的一個說明針對這整個結構上的問題如何去改進我們再來那個予以共知以上"},{"start":20681.748,"end":20682.348,"text":"請求自負言"},{"start":20701.036,"end":20722.775,"text":"就是說你這新創從104年開始這個成長倍數所以我希望是適度凍結凍結50萬提出怎麼樣提出更有效率的審查的這個流程至於說這個曾前兄曾前兄你提到凍結5000了曾前兄"},{"start":20725.799,"end":20745.735,"text":"政經兄的五千會不會整個零一向下這屬於制裁跨業界的運用效能越深我是這麼建議政經兄這部分兩億多如果凍結五千就凍結二十趴了是不是我們可以支持"},{"start":20746.936,"end":20774.39,"text":"這部分我們著動請他提出詳細的書面報告因為零一項下這個跨界的這個業界的運用效能的躍升是非常重要我是建議委員會鄭行雄是不是這部分不要凍結那麼多你適度凍結比方說一千萬給他提出書面報告外零五項下新創產業加速審查部分凍結個五十萬來請他提升效率以上跟這個委員會做一個說明"},{"start":20776.771,"end":20777.451,"text":"陳婷菲委員陳婷菲委員"},{"start":20804.736,"end":20825.222,"text":"你沒有去想到說他為什麼會想要註冊是因為這個所謂他們的商標然後他們對外的一個標誌其實已經到達某一個程度可是你們卻會用說你沒有特別性然後就把它駁回了可是請問什麼叫特別性他經過很複雜的設計"},{"start":20827.847,"end":20855.384,"text":"可是重點是他這幾個字他可能很簡單的幾個字可這幾個字已經跟他很久了他發現說在現在的一個狀態之下他沒有趕快跟他註冊兇驚這簡單的詞彙人家就會唱了可是你們最後回給他的是說因為你就是簡單的幾個字沒有複雜的設計然後太為簡略所以呢無法予以註冊"},{"start":20857.916,"end":20873.358,"text":"你會覺得這有點矛盾會不會矛盾可是跟你們書院沒有用啊沒有用啊所以你會讓很多在傳產的部分一直發明一直發明這個東西已經是它的標記了"},{"start":20875.755,"end":20897.302,"text":"像我說這個臺灣第一那個零組件這是他一直在打的他發現說現在用臺灣第一的越來越多他如果沒有趕快把這個所謂臺灣第一的零組件然後把它框下來註冊下來可能下一次就會有混淆可是沒有用"},{"start":20898.942,"end":20926.421,"text":"所以到底要怎麼樣去區分而且傳產現在面臨一個轉型變成它的特殊性跟它的關鍵性就會變得很重要可是它的關鍵性跟特殊性你們感受不到因為你只有用你們一般的所謂有沒有到它的複雜度它的設計感然後它的識別度這三個它一定不會啊"},{"start":20928.393,"end":20930.874,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":20951.796,"end":20975.123,"text":"所以這個到底要怎麼磨合 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通過235案 通過236案 通過237案 通過在國際貿易署新增的204之一案請問有無異議 沒有異議通過"},{"start":21681.864,"end":21688.054,"text":"接下來我們來處理水利署及所屬預算238案到240案請說明"},{"start":21693.703,"end":21717.302,"text":"謝謝主席、主要委員、武安那水資源科技發展是水是剛性需求我們對水跟健康包括水跟科技的發展在過去委員會的支持之下我們有很大的努力那也有很大的進步特別是在我們跟水跟健康的部分過去水資源科技發展的這個預算研發的結果就應用在我們未來分散式的"},{"start":21725.725,"end":21743.713,"text":"至於水跟科技發展的這個部分包括是爐水的再利用還有我們針對於利用AI利用來做施工建造的部分事實上去年我們也取得了專利所以我們建議說這個部分的這個經費請大會予以支持"},{"start":21745.952,"end":21771.128,"text":"請邱志偉委員好,謝謝賴組長的說明啊240案你提完你的說明我同意把它改成主決議另外賴岳榮跟張喜凱提完委員不在我們是不是建議就這筆第一幕就照列好,我們先來處理238案到240案240案改為主決議那我們就預算照列接下來是241案到272案請說明"},{"start":21776.813,"end":21794.739,"text":"報告主席、諸位委員,水資源的建設在因應氣候變遷極端的事件之下,我們非常的努力,還有各項的計畫都已經超前預算,而我們也希望今年歷次的颱風的復建工程都會在明年的訊息之前來完成。"},{"start":21795.6,"end":21816.074,"text":"所以這項的經費雖然是多可是事實上我們跟行政院請徵的這個還沒有如數的波幅所以這個部分請委員予以支持我在這邊舉幾個例子比如說以巴掌西為例巴掌西去年的話有一些超過保護標準的事件我們要花了將近38億元"},{"start":21817.495,"end":21846.708,"text":"還有做清書的部分我們原來預定今年年底要清除200萬立方到目前為止我們也清除了270萬立方而我們在明年續期之前我們還會加強的清除那這邊還有包括用地的徵收包括王毓民委員包括蔡易委員、賴慧雲委員都非常的支持關心這個案子除此之外的話像蕭理希的這個治理還有包括東部"},{"start":21847.557,"end":21870.98,"text":"我們北南西的治理我們都希望說協助地方政府趕快的來執行那至於南部地區的話在今年選項比較發生比較多的包括沿水溪的部分沿水溪中間我們有一段還沒有治理完成我們希望說委員會可以支持我們讓我們來加速的來完成這項工作"},{"start":21871.44,"end":21892.696,"text":"在我們的水的治理的部分跟委員會報告我們有幾個困難需要委員會給予經費支持第一個是用地的徵收的費用越來越貴我們如果是不早日來徵收費用的話後年再來取用那可能這個經費也許又增加很多"},{"start":21893.752,"end":21914.191,"text":"那除此之外的話是集中時間我們必須要在訓期之前完成一定的保護的程度所以在這邊很多委員有提到凍結的部分我是建議這個部分凍結對我們實施的治水工作真的影響非常大我們現在是要抓緊時間那請委員會給予支持以上請請議員"},{"start":21918.319,"end":21945.374,"text":"好 謝謝主席我兩個部分提出請教一個是我本席自己的提案是在267案就是有關於你們那個水災智慧防災計畫的部分那我本來的提案是要凍結你的預算1%那我現在是可以改成主決議但是我想要進一步請教就是說水利署在這個防災的智慧計畫裡頭有一些易淹水的警示"},{"start":21946.074,"end":21947.075,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":21972.094,"end":22001.383,"text":"我覺得還是遠遠的不足啦對於很多的偏遠山區的無自來水地區還是遠遠不足而且你們現在把那個評比改成到100萬但是我曾經也提過這個構想在我們審查自來水預算的時候也提過就是說我們用減益自來水的方式去建置所以你不用每一個地方偏遠的山區你不用都是從山下拉管上你那個沿管費用太高了那那個水質的確保"},{"start":22001.963,"end":22024.349,"text":"我覺得水利署你們其實跟水公司都責無旁貸應該要去維持這個部分那如果能夠多一點建置在偏遠山區有一些簡易自來水的這個水站然後鹽管跟水質的保護這個由水利署來確保這樣的品質不曉得你們能不能做得到但我覺得你們這個20億看起來其實是有點少"},{"start":22025.486,"end":22026.526,"text":"王奕明委員王奕明委員"},{"start":22054.399,"end":22055.159,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":22076.627,"end":22103.758,"text":"對,那你明年預計是多少?明年還要再清100萬我們訊息之前還要再清100萬到目前為止我們認為完全沒有障礙一定會達到這個目的已經會達到這個目的嘛我的目標就是要你們加速清預所以只要水利署願意加速清預的預算我當然是全力支持所以如果你們在組決議可以寫得更清楚把你那個目標值都寫得很清楚我可以改組決議,這樣我可以改組決議另外一案"},{"start":22104.278,"end":22127.228,"text":"我一樣也是要提到自來水供應不足的問題在嘉義縣其實我們可以看到像這個大埔鄉它的自來水供應比例只有43%阿里山鄉只有28%真的是非常的低那我覺得這個大家用自來水這樣的一個權利不應該這一些偏鄉因為阿里山跟大埔是嘉義縣"},{"start":22128.408,"end":22153.05,"text":"很偏遠的高山地區但是我覺得越是高山弱勢的地方越是我們中央政府應該要多補一些資源去協助這些居民讓他可以取得自來稅那這一案的話我的提案也是希望你們可以把這個普及率較低的區域你們應該是要強化那這個部分我希望這個署長可以強化去做"},{"start":22154.051,"end":22169.385,"text":"23個我提的二四二案是供水會不會無雨的問題這個嘉義縣很歡迎台積電可以進駐他的那個封裝廠但是他用水量也大那這個部分現在嘉義當地大家會質疑的就是說"},{"start":22171.486,"end":22192.717,"text":"2028年用水量高達光是這個台積電高達3.3萬公噸那就整個嘉義縣整體的這個沒有問題沒有問題嗎沒有問題完全沒有問題2028年完全沒有問題沒有問題因為你們的淡水廠是2032年才完工那是一個增補的一個水源到目前為止的話其實我們嘉義供給大於需求"},{"start":22194.905,"end":22213.717,"text":"那為什麼嘉義當地的鄉親會想這個供水量不足的問題?您的那個水量是來自於哪裡?因為嘉義縣也常常面臨枯水期缺水的問題目前它需要一天29萬噸那一半是由燃炭跟人液炭那另外的部分是由真溫水庫"},{"start":22214.926,"end":22217.207,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":22233.513,"end":22260.177,"text":"就是如果徵問水庫因為我跟署長講就是嘉義的這個水庫包括你剛剛講的南潭、仁義潭還有這個所謂徵問水庫在沖水、曾經沖水期他們其實下降了今年徵問水庫是特別一定是不是今年最今年是最好的狀況我前陣子才上去徵問水庫那我的意思是說當他在地你剛剛講這三個水庫量不足的時候你的調度會從哪邊還有水源可以調度過來"},{"start":22261.926,"end":22277.327,"text":"雲林還有差不多一天還可以6萬噸的這個水量可以來支援那除此之外臺南還可以清水支援這個都是第二道的防線那第三道部分我們知道說嘉義未來不是只有這樣"},{"start":22278.618,"end":22304.044,"text":"所以我們要做海淡廠是,你的海淡廠因為我主要是看到你的海淡廠2032那你可能會有一個落差啦就是2028到2032這四年當中不會不會這是為了未來發展我跟委員再三的強調嘉義的用水包括全國各地的用水我在這邊跟各位講在過去委員會的支持之下我們珍珠川的計畫我們現在的進度已經達到五成了是"},{"start":22304.844,"end":22331.493,"text":"那未來這些海灘廠再完成事實上全國各個區域行政院的六大區域發展計畫的水量我們都盤點過沒有問題好那謝謝這個署長的說明那我們就是合併在這個科目合併其他委員你剛剛說要改成主決議是哪一案那個255255就是可以改成主決議好謝謝接下來請邱志偉委員"},{"start":22333.812,"end":22347.328,"text":"這個水利署的工作基本上是做大宇的工作大宇啊大宇治水是關係到百姓的生命財產安全"},{"start":22348.548,"end":22373.469,"text":"所以這個是跟每一個縣市每一個人民都息息相關所以尤其極端氣候,極端氣候造成的傷害會越來越大所以你水利署要做的工作可多了你們海淡產要做,自融池也要做另外你們海岸整治也要做河川綜合治理計畫你們也要去執行"},{"start":22374.23,"end":22398.926,"text":"全國那麽多那個各縣市這些治水防洪都要水利署來支持包括水庫的清液也是你們來做所以種種都需要水利署不僅是同仁的辛苦啦也需要充裕的預算才能讓所有的百姓的生命財產獲得保障所以剛剛聽了這個署長的說明我也"},{"start":22399.746,"end":22427.865,"text":"幾年來我都對於水域署的預算我是全力支持因為我幾乎每個禮拜都跟六合局的署長都會一起來地方現看每個禮拜那時候你也知道六合局的局長這個同仁我都是每個禮拜都會在我的選區都會現看我想每一個在場委員都是如此的所以同仁也辛苦我們預算員全力支持所以基於這種理由這個我的提案呢"},{"start":22428.837,"end":22457.313,"text":"包括248案包括這個260案包括261案包括262案、263案、264案、260案、269案、271案全部改成組決議表示對水利署預算全力支持也希望水利署能把治水防洪的工作能夠確實做好好謝謝委員全力以赴好謝謝請鄭正全委員"},{"start":22459.841,"end":22486.147,"text":"第245案原本是檢列10%是有關於大安溪浮流水的問題希望說能夠處理得更好他這邊同意改成主決議第245案那麼第268案的時候其實是有關於地下水超抽漲化雲林嘉義屏東地區地層下陷的問題那也希望說水利署這邊能夠加強防治原本是凍結10%他這邊也同意改成主決議以上謝謝"},{"start":22493.459,"end":22514.808,"text":"好,接下來請陳婷菲委員謝謝主席我247我可以改為主決議在256的部分我想就是說"},{"start":22517.174,"end":22543.497,"text":"處長你也知道說我們每次關我們一條曾文熙你知道我們現在已經一直等一直等因為我們是我們的水利署我們中央管排所以我們每次都嗷嗷待哺然後一段一段慢慢排然後排到我們都等到現在終於要做到比較尾端了那到底可不可以一次完成啊"},{"start":22544.537,"end":22572.84,"text":"因為你尾巴沒有做好說真的你前面做都會讓人家覺得說就是這樣倒掉的就是差在那一點點啊所以你看我們三老爺溪當時候整段我們因為這個蔡英文總統這個嚇到地方然後您到現場的時候我們當時候就說你一次如果上三老爺溪一段一段你永遠都不知道說"},{"start":22574.517,"end":22576.239,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算"},{"start":22596.736,"end":22621.918,"text":"所以沒辦法要一段一段來那每一次署長你都說有有有今年預算會比較多一點點那我們也直接跟那個國發會已經有要求是不是可以給我們地方比較多的關愛眼神所以這個到底我們曾文熙我們在門前白嘴這套事我都做到沒嗎"},{"start":22623.302,"end":22625.343,"text":"現在請陳昌明委員我跟各位委員出席委員一樣對於水利市的治水防洪計畫"},{"start":22653.736,"end":22679.298,"text":"幾十年來都是全力的支持但是也搏擊成效那今後我仍然要談到一點就是邊緣地區或是在山上的地區或是丘陵地的地區住戶比較分散的時候這裡面在自來水供給計畫裡面實在費用非常高那我要特別提到我們水利市長"},{"start":22680.259,"end":22707.276,"text":"也是很有能力的我們部長的科技出身的所以在水資源科技發展裡面我一直強調對的所在你要如何取水如何把水過濾下來然後管線一遷的話可以整個可以減少很多邊緣地區的經費那我談了四五年我希望這個水資源科技發展的一個計畫你們一定要做出一個"},{"start":22708.177,"end":22729.374,"text":"成果出來我重新以台灣人創名台灣的科技能把很多的水災生水的利用台積電那個水都在循環利用我先做這件簡單這個是一個很大的產業你要加強重視可以用到世界上很多的地方可用只要這個技術好"},{"start":22730.094,"end":22756.852,"text":"成本便宜一定有辦法做出來我希望這點你們要特別的加強不然每次跟你們要錢要經費住來水的那個供給的時候我們還是要很可憐的那個補償你要知道要跟中央討錢你們住在的都住來水方便我們的房子是我可憐的我告訴你我申訴敢同申訴這點一定要改進"},{"start":22759.11,"end":22780.128,"text":"第二點,我們談到菁英,就因你西里約的菁英大概採取沙士不是很大的問題水庫的菁英出來那個要擺在哪個地方,放置的場所包括縣市政府標誌去沒有人敢標那當時有他們很多人跟我提一個萬一菁英的話"},{"start":22782.526,"end":22786.507,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議12月23日及26日三天一次會議12月23日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":22807.892,"end":22810.195,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":22826.434,"end":22842.542,"text":"但是地方縣市委員會為了這個地方非常頭痛,大家可以想一個辦法,你只要大條站在城,經驗部在城,淹水的時候大家都找到泥水歷史,你既然有水資源科技你也想把這個問題一道就解決"},{"start":22843.562,"end":22860.869,"text":"我相信這幾個姊姊你的水利市工作是應該做得很不錯是建議我們也討論過好幾次關於自來水關於清衣的問題好不好再加強一下謝謝好請邱志維委員委員這個381億將近389千多萬"},{"start":22866.331,"end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沒異議我們就通過 我們現在休息五分鐘"},{"start":24115.253,"end":24127.083,"text":"繼續開會現在要來審查的是商業發展署稅出部分由從289到303請說明"},{"start":24132.181,"end":24160.985,"text":"各位委員好那現在由商業署這邊來就委員關切事項說明那在289、294跟295就是陳委員還有兩位邱委員他主要是關心那個服務業低薪希望在有一些補助計畫能夠把加薪列為加分項目那在這邊也跟各位委員說明我們現在目前是有把加薪列為加分項目而且在結案的時候他也必須確實有拿出加薪的一個證明所以這邊我們都可以來配合辦理"},{"start":24161.892,"end":24164.236,"text":"那另外在290、291跟293那縣委員這邊還有我們的那個"},{"start":24171.474,"end":24199.785,"text":"蔡委員這邊其實在關切的就是資源的配置不要太集中在六都那這邊的話我們其實都可以來配合那個政委員這邊也是我們以目前的話我們的配置情況雖然六都的加速比較多可是我們事實上捕捉到六都的這個企業的這個比例都比實際上的加速要低所以我們會盡量往六都其他的那個地方來加強宣導讓其他地區的商業服務業也能夠取得政府資源"},{"start":24201.067,"end":24201.531,"text":"另外在292"},{"start":24205.034,"end":24232.83,"text":"三百三零二跟三零四那有幾位委員都是比較關切到那個我們的那個訂定的這個績效指標那這邊也跟各位委員說明當時在訂的時候我們是參考112年的那個預算的一個目標去訂那確實是有比較保守不過我們都會盡量去超過這個標準那我們也會做一個滾動式的一個檢討那也希望委員能夠支持那另外在"},{"start":24233.55,"end":24247.042,"text":"二九六是我們邱委員在關切就是我們那個街區計畫裡面吼那我們在那個以後增新裡面有補助了幾條街區那我們不會只有做問卷調查我們還是會去實地上走訪各個街區"},{"start":24248.528,"end":24264.707,"text":"針對他們低碳化跟智慧化的一個落實情況,我們會去實際做一個查核,那也會請顧問針對他們有需要再協助的地方會再給一些指導,所以這邊也請委員放心就是我們會務實的再去查核後續的一個落實狀況。"},{"start":24266.389,"end":24268.85,"text":"另外在291、297及298委員關心數位商圈認為個案率比較低這邊也跟國委員說明我們今年過了115案大概只要想要推數位商圈的商圈提出計畫我們幾乎都會協助他能夠去推動執行"},{"start":24287.774,"end":24314.813,"text":"那上一期的計劃我們其實那個普及率大概有超過56%那現在是第二期計劃我們會再把這個還沒有做數位商圈的也能夠落實所以這筆預算也希望委員能夠支持那299案是我們主席關切的也是跟服務業的低薪有關那這筆預算因為主要是在我們關於那個人才培訓那這邊也跟各位人報告就是"},{"start":24315.333,"end":24317.977,"text":"服務業的薪資雖然在112年以整個商業服務業來看它的薪資有47000多塊但是113年到10月底我們拿到的數字是已經提升到49000"},{"start":24330.216,"end":24330.536,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天"},{"start":24354.856,"end":24370.36,"text":"那另外還有就是在那個301案我們陳委員這邊在關切我們那個商業服務業的這個低碳的這個補助這個執行成效那這邊也跟各位說明我們這次計畫從112年開始執行那112年總共補助的加數有17000多家那他們碳換的設備去換算一年可以省下1.4億度電那換算成減碳量是72000"},{"start":24383.624,"end":24383.644,"text":"請求議員"},{"start":24413.082,"end":24414.403,"text":"中央政府總預算案"},{"start":24428.786,"end":24456.804,"text":"有沒有去做過一些宣傳我剛剛聽署長的那個報告好像都是等待企業自己主動去加薪因為他缺工稅他就會主動去給員工加薪那對於我們通過的這個優惠的法案中小企業發展條例的這個法案你們有沒有去做過一些相關的類似的宣傳跟委員報告齁那個中小企業發展條例中企署這邊有很多那個宣傳但是商業署這邊因為會用到我們也會在我們各項的說明會裡面會去加強宣導"},{"start":24460.759,"end":24461.756,"text":"好,請陳定非委員。"},{"start":24463.038,"end":24463.718,"text":"三百零案"},{"start":24493.498,"end":24501.506,"text":"我們要了解說成效是如何因為很多你要叫他這麼短時間去做轉型其實是有困難的"},{"start":24503.015,"end":24503.976,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":24523.996,"end":24544.968,"text":"一百萬然後書面報告時的動資我希望的是那個報告這部分然後這個289的部分是其實我們的商業發展其實重要的是商圈可是我們有沒有曾經去評估過我們協助商圈我們有做到位嗎"},{"start":24545.99,"end":24564.579,"text":"也就是說我們單點放跟點線面的串聯他所引發的整個經濟效益有沒有做到位還是只是每一個商圈他需要的然後提了計畫然後給了他活動辦完了後續呢"},{"start":24565.802,"end":24592.713,"text":"就是說點線面如果今天我們把這在我上一次我就講了就是我們的商圈每一個商圈如果可以串聯的話是不是它的效果能量會更大50萬一個商圈跟三個商圈150萬他串聯起來他可以做的效益有多大你會不會去思考到這個問題可是誰應該去做串聯是地方政府可是地方政府有沒有做到這樣的一個他的應有的責任並沒有"},{"start":24595.356,"end":24621.505,"text":"我必須說真的是沒有所以這個是我為什麼說我要去檢列的這個部分可是錢已經很少了而且常常我們都不知道說商圈棒活動然後我們都去到現場說原來這個活動是我們經濟部支持的我們經濟部這個補助的金額我們都不知道到了現場才知道我們還傻傻的"},{"start":24622.699,"end":24623.179,"text":"鄭正前委員"},{"start":24644.416,"end":24660.323,"text":"本期題材是292案,因為剛剛蘇蘭有回應到有關於資源配置的問題,我們認為委辦案跟強迫租案不要過於集中特定的一個廠商跟區域,需要達到區域的平衡,所以本期針對這部分同意改為主決議,以上謝謝"},{"start":24668.693,"end":24694.492,"text":"我是覺得說我們數位轉型當然是說六都或是都市型的地方比較容易做這個部分但是不能說我們非六都以外的其他縣市就不重要尤其是彰化縣我覺得我們比較不是都會型的縣市我覺得商業署這邊也要加強輔導協助他們因為畢竟還是有一些"},{"start":24696.653,"end":24696.853,"text":"秋智偉委員"},{"start":24713.544,"end":24730.033,"text":"同樣跟那個促進工業科技發展是一樣的道理那11億的預算就是聽完這個署長的說明我支持那我也把我295萬跟296萬都改成主決議另外在02項下商業服務業創新跟低碳這個有5億多這個"},{"start":24739.967,"end":24749.962,"text":"我想請教一下署長你這個商業服務創新有沒有這些計畫裡面從01向下到02這個用在中南部的"},{"start":24751.55,"end":24769.699,"text":"的商家或商業服務有多少比例?中南部的請教一下署長跟委員報告一下我現在可能腦袋中有的就是我們在那個節能設備補助這邊高雄市的話大概有"},{"start":24772.14,"end":24797.575,"text":"13%左右那台南大概10%那其他非六都的中南部那個是不是我在補資料給委員因為腦袋沒有記起來不過我們整個的那個配置中南部的配置不會比較差是我們都有大力去推廣那像彰化的話彰化雖然加速少但是他的比例大概也有4點多"},{"start":24799.812,"end":24817.232,"text":"主席我是把302案我的提案也把它改成主決議那我是敬請這個委員會對於第一幕的促進商業科技發展我們給予支持的是不是名譽簡略來支持上發署來執行相關的商業科技發展的計畫好"},{"start":24822.075,"end":24837.705,"text":"在我們商業發展署這個預算裡面我們看到很多都是在促進我們整個商圈而且包括我們數位跟提升商圈品牌跟知名度這方面的話真的要再努力我們商圈福島的家屬大概1185家占全國商圈組織的會員會員就21266家這個比例只有5.57%而已所以還要趕快"},{"start":24848.312,"end":24849.253,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。"},{"start":24873.657,"end":24889.866,"text":"其他產業看怎麼樣給他轉型慢慢來提升這部份我們要再加油這個經濟的方案也請給我們一個書面報告那委員都已經提問完成了請問張媽淑你的說明"},{"start":24892.698,"end":24907.868,"text":"我希望說因為剛剛那個陳委員有說凍結100萬題書面報告我想是不是我們就是不是委員同意我們整個這個科目底下 這我會處理然後書面報告我們會提會針對剛剛委員關切的部分我們會來提好"},{"start":24911.692,"end":24917.396,"text":"現在我們就來處理289到303案先來宣布主決議的部分改為主決議的有290案、295、296還有302"},{"start":24928.203,"end":24937.429,"text":"改為主決議294也改為主決議謝謝294案也改成主決議重新宣布一次290、294、295、296、302改為主決議那我們在這邊凍結200萬書面報告好 謝謝委員"},{"start":24950.322,"end":24969.051,"text":"接下來處理組決議主席主席不好意思那個我可不可以再確認一下因為那個297的部分因為陳超明委員他有同意改組決議那這邊是不是也可以那你提出這個原來他有簽名他已經有簽名有在桌上你要送過來"},{"start":24980.506,"end":24989.021,"text":"好 我們增加一案297也改為主決議好 現在來處理主決議不好意思"},{"start":24990.555,"end":24990.575,"text":"財務部長"},{"start":25012.108,"end":25039.238,"text":"我們也有跟台電這邊會來協助這百貨公司當他們去做這個裝飾那個分店表讓在百貨公司裡面的這個餐飲業也可以享受這個動漲的電費那另外的話就是說他們有一些節能設備要汰換的話我們這個補助方案他也可以用那這個我們也有發文給各百貨業者那希望說委員這邊能夠支持這個因為這筆費用真的是一個比較基礎維運的是不是不要凍結我們的預算"},{"start":25040.498,"end":25068.821,"text":"好本席會提這個案子最主要是因為我們在動漲電費的時候除了民生以外我們包括了就是我們餐飲業服務業的部分還是有超商跟我們的量飯店餐飲業那但是在百貨公司裡面的餐飲業沒有辦法動漲他的電價在執行上面的話實屬是不公平的所以但是我們整個台電部分的話他們用那個"},{"start":25069.462,"end":25069.902,"text":"中央政府總預算案"},{"start":25092.955,"end":25119.976,"text":"臺電跟商業署但是你們都一直沒有回文遲遲到10月份開始漲店價了到現在已經要快要1月份了這個都還沒有處理那我們希望我們商發署的話要盡到責任去協助他們的改善他們的設施讓他們可以跟其他在外面的那個所有的店家超市跟我們的市場上都能夠有動漲一起來享受這個我們政府的美意好不好"},{"start":25120.356,"end":25148.701,"text":"好,那這個案子我可以改為主決議那我們的預算就照列好,謝謝委員304案改為主決議預算照列現在處理305到306請說明呃,305到306齁這個首先是那個賴委員在關切齁就是那個市場這邊也能夠去推動這個節能減碳齁那這個部分我們其實這個科目底下在做的就是市場的環境優化跟綠化還有"},{"start":25149.221,"end":25149.902,"text":"海外市場拓展部分"},{"start":25164.581,"end":25186.211,"text":"那因為前一期的計畫剛好碰到疫情在加上院合定的計畫只有原來不到一半所以確實在原來的計畫沒有達標是因為這兩個原因不過以113年來講我們目前已經海外拓展拿到MOU預計已經可以有差不多4億元所以已經是可以達標的所以也希望這筆預算委員能夠支持不要凍結"},{"start":25189.842,"end":25210.639,"text":"這項預算是要來協助我們商業服務推展我們的創新商業服務的模式雖然是疫情當下的狀況沒有達標但是我也希望你們要審慎的去檢討前期計畫有什麼地方需要後續的規劃跟改善的地方才能夠繼續的來推動這個部分我改成主決議305、306預算照列"},{"start":25218.274,"end":25218.914,"text":"現在要來審查的是中小及新創企業署"},{"start":25243.283,"end":25269.304,"text":"最初的部分在312案到328案請說明主席、各位委員312案到328案目前17案有6案已經改成主決議所以剩下11案委員主要關切的問題分為三類對不起主決議的部分要先送過來已經有提供給"},{"start":25271.212,"end":25273.354,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。"},{"start":25288.77,"end":25311.687,"text":"五千多萬是在今年明年也是同樣三億七千多萬我們在今年呢地方有合發了477案那也有合發了兩億多那中央型的也有合發113案也合訂了1.3億元所以都有相關的帶動的研發投資加起來有達到將近7億到8億的一個水準所以未來我們會持續讓這個"},{"start":25313.309,"end":25314.309,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":25334.304,"end":25349.605,"text":"國內各界特別政府部門也能夠來採購新創企業的產品過去在推動初期因為要協助縣市政府還有相關單位來加強採購所以我們有搭配相關的一些補助的方案"},{"start":25350.166,"end":25365.839,"text":"但是因為隨著這些方案補助金額沒有很高而且縣市政府要提列相關的經費而且要寫相關的申請書等等還有縣市政府目前取得的資源比較多所以近幾年來縣市政府都比較沒有申請"},{"start":25366.779,"end":25393.768,"text":"所以我們也基於這樣子的一個市場的情況在明年呢我們相關的這些補助的經費呢就不會再編列但是同樣的經費呢我們會放在協助新創事業來持續來上架他們產品開發更多的產品來提供全國各界更好的選擇也滿足培育新創事業而且帶動相關的研發推動這個社會企業ESG等等的目標"},{"start":25394.808,"end":25411.742,"text":"第三類的問題是在於我們有協助中小企業做這個相關的數位的轉型那這不管是製造業服務業那特別是協助中小企業能夠了解新的一個模式在製造業我們主要的像金屬加工"},{"start":25412.302,"end":25413.143,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":25438.917,"end":25456.532,"text":"中小企業競爭力跟數位轉型提升的那剛才我也有垂興到這個有關中小企業協助的方案行政院在明年有整體推出一個中小企業的這個多元振興的一個發展方案那這個在12月中旬以後我們已經舉全國在"},{"start":25458.322,"end":25475.087,"text":"中南部東部以及北部已經舉辦市場的一個說明會我們都是採用實體的會議跟線上會議直播的方式的讓各個產業工會能夠瞭解相關內容所以包含剛才委員所關心的這些中小企業發展條例通過以後"},{"start":25475.587,"end":25476.808,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":25494.718,"end":25494.898,"text":"好,請出自衛委員"},{"start":25518.807,"end":25530.522,"text":"謝謝署長的說明,我想第一項下運用科技創新轉型升級,我有提案要凍結200,第二項下促進中小型企業創新研發,你們主要是針對中小跟新創"},{"start":25532.096,"end":25553.161,"text":"中小企業大概集中在中南部對中南部中小企業屬裡面要用實際的包括計畫、預算要支持中南部的中小企業那我另外提到新創新創大概都集中在北北桃"},{"start":25555.32,"end":25579.414,"text":"南部、中部幾乎沒有新創產業因為連苗都沒有,要怎麼生根發展所以其他的部會、其他的署我都會支持趙烈,我也不凍結但是對於你們如何新創,你們是新創企業署新創怎麼樣讓他全國遍地開發而不是集中在北陸"},{"start":25581.078,"end":25587.845,"text":"所以國發基金我也要求你要有個辦公室去輔導中南部的這個新創產業讓中南部的年輕人有一個新創的土壤"},{"start":25593.778,"end":25604.928,"text":"國安經濟也要配合然後你們署裡面新創企業組也要配合所以這點我覺得這部分要請你們拿出實際的成績來所以關於316案這個凍結的部分我覺得可以凍結100萬改革凍結100萬那327的部分"},{"start":25612.734,"end":25633.952,"text":"你那317啊,我也凍結100萬。怎麼樣讓你們透過凍結,你們提出詳細的這個針對中南部的新創土壤。怎麼讓它能夠偏離開花,能夠有具體的成果。這點不要每年都要提到這個問題,每年都沒有具體的成果。我也希望從署長裡面聽一下。"},{"start":25634.633,"end":25634.673,"text":"陳秉斐委員"},{"start":25654.004,"end":25672.494,"text":"處長就是說我跟邱志偉委員其實我們從每一次的質詢或是在我們的一些相關的建議都是希望我們的中小企業在南部的中小企業怎麼能夠得到我們中央關愛的眼神"},{"start":25673.254,"end":25674.295,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位"},{"start":25689.815,"end":25717.416,"text":"你如何去協助我們南部的中小企業包括平台的建立然後包括我們要怎麼跟他對接那怎麼去做更多的一些對談這些是不是應該要有更多的計畫這是第一個第二個就是說我們現在30人以下我們有一個新的一些方案專案嘛那其實有一個重點就是說你這30人以下他們怎麼知道"},{"start":25719.178,"end":25748.391,"text":"我有這樣的辦法我有沒有這個能力可以去做這樣的申請然後好我今天就算我想申請我有沒有那個能力寫出這個計劃誰要來幫忙做對接誰要來幫忙做這樣的一個輔導這才是重要因為他沒有入門他根本都什麼經費都拿不到所以我覺得這才是重要好我們專案已經在這個看到了"},{"start":25749.241,"end":25749.481,"text":"就是有關那個楊瓊英的提案"},{"start":25778.601,"end":25779.121,"text":"好,請寫一份委員"},{"start":25800.979,"end":25823.845,"text":"我們其實今天在這裡討論這個就是中小企業的這個其實也不是我們凍結也是希望說可以加速因為其實我們知道那個微小型的中小企業這麼多家那怎麼樣子推廣以及在就是說中南部還有一些納管工廠的這個相關的這個就是說協助方面那我覺得"},{"start":25824.244,"end":25824.504,"text":"三二九"},{"start":25850.318,"end":25850.438,"text":"主席"},{"start":25861.455,"end":25888.104,"text":"在我們針對中小企業的這個新創的這個方面我們知道你們整個預算是非常不足尤其在面臨經費不足的情況之下你們又來協助整個市場的模式但是你們還是要積極努力的來增進最重要是要增進這整個營業收入的這個目標我們看有一些來申請案件的這些新創產業但是他們收入不好"},{"start":25888.404,"end":25889.084,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":25907.993,"end":25936.625,"text":"這部分的話可能就是造成了這各縣市政府的申請意願都不太高那尤其是在110年到112年補助案件從82件一直下滑到1件我們的金額本來是從1255萬的現在也下滑到76萬那我們希望我們這邊可以更加積極一點協助找出他們的困難點怎麼樣來幫助他們希望這個申請的案件可以更多那他們的產品也可以增加民眾的購買率好不好"},{"start":25940.088,"end":25962.046,"text":"在這裡的話,署長沒有補充說明的嗎?好,再說一個名字。 好,謝謝。委員關心的,譬如說像中南部的這個新創等等,那也謝謝委員知道。我們在即將,我想月底前,或者是1月上旬,我們會把這個全國新創的白皮書第一版,"},{"start":25962.726,"end":25966.489,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。 ：立法院第11屆第2會期經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。 ：立法院第11屆第2會期"},{"start":25987.005,"end":25987.786,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":26004.381,"end":26004.961,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":26025.606,"end":26026.387,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":26048.047,"end":26050.468,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分"},{"start":26068.12,"end":26089.839,"text":"另外鄭委員、楊委員還有主席有關心的相關中小企業新創平台採購這個情況我剛報告過我們從107年開始推動的時候因為要鼓勵縣市政府來採購所以我們有提供相對的一些補助但是因為這個補助金額確實沒有很多二方面是還要寫計畫書等等"},{"start":26091.66,"end":26093.422,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":26119.082,"end":26145.928,"text":"另外,謝委員有關心整個中小企業的一個協助,納管工等等所以經濟部其實是一個整體的一個系統在看待中小企業的協助我們從源頭的這個創新研發補助一直到這個產業結構的調整生產力的提升競爭力的提升一直到中小企業的輔導財務的輔導還有商業的現代化商圈的推動等等甚至到了出海以後到了整個國際市場的開拓"},{"start":26147.348,"end":26148.149,"text":"秋智委員"},{"start":26173.108,"end":26199.301,"text":"希望您能做得更好。 316、327我改成主決議。 本席323改主決議。 還有317。 我的部分也都改主決議。 你剛剛本來要動的也改掉。 好。"},{"start":26202.85,"end":26214.535,"text":"我們現在來處理312案到328案先來宣告改為主決議的案件是312、313、314、315、316、317"},{"start":26241.763,"end":26257.295,"text":"320、321、323、325、326、327以上改為主決議那我們預算就不予凍結照列加一個322改主決議好那我們現在處理主決議"},{"start":26262.166,"end":26285.422,"text":"我們現在在處理329到331請說明329到331委員的也是關心相關的整個中小企業的一些創新研發還有競爭力提升的一個工作然後這部分的話剛才有說明我們會持續朝這個方向來推動辦理"},{"start":26286.343,"end":26310.01,"text":"在331的部分也是張委員也是針對信保基金相關的一些業務費用做了相關的一些槌尋那信保基金因為隨著這個中小為企業方案的一個推行不管是優惠貸款不管是額外的這個信用保證額度提供給中小企業所以他們整個的一個業務量擴增的會非常快速所以為了要"},{"start":26310.51,"end":26310.53,"text":"委員會議"},{"start":26326.408,"end":26328.088,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":26352.033,"end":26365.338,"text":"這個管理整個的一個內部的一個管理的一個機制會持續朝向更透明化目前也都非常透明所以這部分我們也都依據委員的指示來辦理謝謝好請新一份委員對我剛才已經改組決議了就是32933你改組決議"},{"start":26377.892,"end":26403.614,"text":"好,我們現在就來處理329到331。329、330改為主決議,我們預算照列。好,現在處理主決議。332案。 遵照辦理。 通過。333案。 遵照辦理。 通過。334案。334案修正的文字已經提送給委員同意了。 請送過來。"},{"start":26409.087,"end":26434.964,"text":"好就是把專案報告改成書面好334案文字修正通過335案遵照辦理通過336案遵照辦理通過337案遵照辦理通過338案遵照辦理通過339案同樣的我們也有修正文字也提送給委員同意"},{"start":26444.832,"end":26463.449,"text":"339案文字修正通過接下來要處理的是產業園區管理局及所屬先處理稅出部分340案到351案"},{"start":26476.77,"end":26478.151,"text":"最初部分我們先來討論的是340到348案請說明"},{"start":26486.142,"end":26507.63,"text":"主席、各位委員。這個科目一的部分,這裡面是原區的產業升級的一個大科目的計畫。那這裡面分了六支計畫,包括就是有關於節能減碳啦,以及跨域輔導啦,還有就是有關供應鏈、潤性轉型,以及目前我們正在推動的防災應變。"},{"start":26509.231,"end":26528.329,"text":"以及工廠危險物品的訪查計畫。 這個是我們這個計畫裡面所包含的內容。 那從這裡面就是從第一案的部分那個內委員所提到的是整個科目的部分。 那所以這個我們是建議說是不是能夠讓我們提書面報告。"},{"start":26529.21,"end":26538.118,"text":"那341到344這個是同樣的是屬於低碳轉型整合推動計畫這個計畫是在對園區的區內廠商做節能減碳碳盤查的輔導這一次在我們部裡面的指示底下我們會擴大來辦理"},{"start":26548.032,"end":26569.809,"text":"那再來就是三四五案那賴委員所．中加兵委員所提到的就是有關於任性轉型要凍結三減三百萬的部分那這一部分因為提案委員是中委員我們已經跟中委員報告過他也簽字說要修改文字修改然後改成主決議"},{"start":26571.05,"end":26581.744,"text":"那接下來就是有關於346、347、348這一部分是在剛剛有報告過有關於危險物品的訪查這一塊那是楊全雲委員"},{"start":26582.992,"end":26608.566,"text":"張家俊委員跟邱志偉委員這邊所提的那這一部分涉及到就是我們目前正在推動工業區裡面廠商的危險物品的盤查以及盤管查煉的這一塊的計畫那目前園區的部分已經全面在推動科技產業園區的部分已經都盤查完接下來就推動的是產業園區那接著會再往外推展到縣市政府的部分"},{"start":26610.106,"end":26636.539,"text":"那科目一的部分大概是這樣做一個整體的報告好請邱志偉來謝謝這個楊局長說明我想這個有幾項計畫我提案檢列那個凍結的部分包括03傳言區跨低碳轉型這部分然後另外06危險物品查訪計畫我想是不是這樣子這個所有提案委員大概只有我跟"},{"start":26638.246,"end":26660.4,"text":"我跟李玉玲委員在,我是不是具體就建議這個幕,這個幕是不是就具體的動100萬提出書面報告,然後才能動之,我不曉得昭偉的意見怎麼樣?好,在這個"},{"start":26661.977,"end":26684.975,"text":"我這邊提案是3、4、2我改成主決議啦好那其他委員 楊純英的3、4、6啊 也是主決議 對還有3、4、5主決議 對我們還有哪三個案 好 我就改 我就改大家改我就改 預算照列 3、4、8改主決議 那預算照列齁"},{"start":26685.998,"end":26691.702,"text":"好 那我們現在處理340到348改組決議的部分是342、345、346、348344也改組決議347也改組決議344好 我再重新宣告一次改成組決議的案子有342、344、345、346、348"},{"start":26715.236,"end":26715.782,"text":"預算照列"},{"start":26717.182,"end":26718.503,"text":"接下來要來審查的是349到351請說明"},{"start":26747.562,"end":26772.303,"text":"包括污水場的可行性的分析委員所提到的大概都是屬於我們所謂的節能減碳、碳盤查這一塊會建議說是不是能夠委員能夠同意能夠文字修正我們來改提報告最後就是有關於謝衣鳳委員所提的部分我們也跟委員報告過委員也同意文字修改改成主決議已經簽名"},{"start":26774.076,"end":26777.319,"text":"好 先一份委員的351案改成主決議那請問陳廷飛委員"},{"start":26784.907,"end":26811.158,"text":"謝謝,我也可以改回主決議,但是還是一樣就是說你要讓地方真正有感到說我到底在整個低碳的人才培運還有聚落的問題你怎麼去輔導他們,這才是最重要,我改主決議謝謝委員,那個委員所提示的部分我們會派學者專家個案的進入到廠商裡面去做說明"},{"start":26812.864,"end":26815.847,"text":"請你們積極地來做說明現在就處理349案到351案那這個349主決議、351改主決議那我們預算就照列接下來處理主決議352案遵照辦理"},{"start":26835.1,"end":26863.976,"text":"通過353案。 353案是賴委員所提的因為委員要我們說每季開始要邀請委辦單位向民眾來做遷村報告那這一個有關遷村報告的部分因為在我們大林埔遷村我們有建立一個平台那所有的資訊都會在平台這邊來公告已經委員都知那個居民都知道不是做文字修正"},{"start":26864.895,"end":26865.496,"text":"賴委員還沒同意"},{"start":26915.939,"end":26927.287,"text":"353案文字修正通過現在要審查地質調查及礦業管理中心稅出部分354案"},{"start":26935.783,"end":26959.644,"text":"提案委員不在我們照列給他說明一下召委還有各位委員那354案那委員關心的就是加強活動斷層的調查跟監測那另外一個就是地熱探勘的研發相關的技術規範研擬"},{"start":26962.39,"end":26968.182,"text":"這個部分,地況中心在執行整個初期的地質探勘對活動斷層跟地熱"},{"start":26972.032,"end":26987.983,"text":"調查的資訊將結合學界跟技師共同合作那也將會精進持續收集地震及活動斷層的相關資訊持續這個滾動更新並會公開提供各界來參考那這個建請同意改為主決議"},{"start":27004.1,"end":27004.54,"text":"154案預算照列"},{"start":27019.978,"end":27020.278,"text":"接下來審查355到365請說明"},{"start":27034.652,"end":27056.267,"text":"在這邊也謝謝委員我們9個案子已經向委員說明並改為主決議委員關心的我分成三個部分來說明第一個是地熱的部分地熱的部分委員關心的就是加強地熱調查跟地熱能的裝置容量"},{"start":27057.216,"end":27085.915,"text":"那這個部分本中現在執行整個初期的地質探勘那將會結合包括公園院還有中游他們鑽井的資訊那另外也結合水利署跟地方政府的溫泉井的資訊那這個部分我們也會建立一個臺灣地熱地溫梯度的分布圖跟時區的熱區"},{"start":27088.677,"end":27113.118,"text":"這個是第2個部分另外委員關心的就是地下水文這個部分我們將會持續辦理相關水文地質調查建置全國水文地質資訊系統來改善整個地層下旋的情勢另外"},{"start":27114.093,"end":27130.059,"text":"委員關心的就是稅解徐仙場加強監督管理的部分這個也是楊瓊英委員關心的那在這個部分我們也輔導稅解徐仙場合法的比例由65%增加到90.6%"},{"start":27134.161,"end":27156.994,"text":"那這個會持續加強監督建設裁罰紀錄的資料庫公開資訊那後續也會持續精進加強管理以上建請淳于免以凍結改為主決議好謝謝各位委員沒有要補充詢問的嗎沒有我就來好"},{"start":27161.123,"end":27177.253,"text":"這個部分是地質調查跟礦業管理中心那從254案到365萬全部改成主決議預算照列接下來處理主決議366案通過接下來審查能源署"},{"start":27213.819,"end":27216.419,"text":"能源署的稅出部分從367案到383案"},{"start":27223.758,"end":27223.921,"text":"請先說明"},{"start":27227.951,"end":27253.871,"text":"有關這個科目是主要是針對我們能源科技計畫的相關的規劃那主要針對我們在新達的海創中心的人才培育以及海洋產業的發展以及我們在沙倫地區針對一些低碳能源的一些開發做一些相關的規劃的工作那這一次委員針對我們這次計畫的提案內容所關切的我把它歸納為幾個點說明第一個是有關於再生能源進度的一些"},{"start":27254.631,"end":27274.944,"text":"提醒包括離岸風電的部分跟委員報告過去受到疫情的影響所以離岸風電在前兩年是比較有落後在今年經過這樣的一個輔導之後目前我們台灣已經完成了6座風場374座的風機這個部分離岸風電的進度已經把它趕上來在光電的部分我們現在也做了一些檢討"},{"start":27276.045,"end":27295.121,"text":"光電主要還是以屋頂型為首要的推動,地面型的部分我們會採用複合型的方式來做後續的推動,那同時針對選址的部分我們會避開環境敏感的地區,同時在這個深色程序上面我們也會在增加在重設許可的時候增加一個說明匯降的一個程序。"},{"start":27296.002,"end":27312.199,"text":"同時針對地方政府的一個同意函的查核表我們現在也做出了一個同意的查核表來讓地方有所遵循那大家很關切的一些跟鄰近地區的這樣的一個相連的問題我們也會在警官的規劃要點裡面做出相關的一個退縮的規定"},{"start":27314.341,"end":27328.475,"text":"大型專案的個案我們也都有一個聯繩平台來加速整個光電的開發那委員另外關切的就是有關於地熱的一個發展那地熱的發展我們現在在再生條例裡面已經有一個專章的規劃這個可以改善過去"},{"start":27328.915,"end":27329.435,"text":"12月23日、12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":27346.906,"end":27367.232,"text":"那包括我們剛剛地調中心他們會做一些初期的地熱探勘的資訊也提供給業者來參考那另外我們也透過國營事業中油台電的投入希望這個地熱的發展可以更快速的來發展起來那稍微關切的有關於這個地熱補助的部分過去是一期的撥付那我們現在也把它改成四期的撥付所以簽約以後"},{"start":27367.892,"end":27369.993,"text":"中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。"},{"start":27393.06,"end":27421.702,"text":"世界上各國的一個發展看看台灣可以使用哪方面的這樣的新的技術另外委員另外也關切到我們台南的森巴電廠的一個燃氣電廠的一個目前的一個狀態這邊我們也特別針對它的一個管線安全它的試運轉的一個過程以及它回饋進的運用這邊我們都有加強的監督管理後續我們也會繼續針對森巴電廠的後續開發做相關的一個監督以上針對第一個議題做簡要的報告請委員支持"},{"start":27426.374,"end":27438.2,"text":"好請陳廷飛委員我的部分全部改組決議好請邱志偉委員我的部分我聽陳廷飛改組決議好"},{"start":27454.245,"end":27459.786,"text":"我們大家都支持我們能源署所以我們現在就來處理367到383現在講改組決議的案子有367、368、369還有381那我們預算就照列謝謝委員"},{"start":27477.338,"end":27498.67,"text":"接下來審查的是384到401請說明是那有關這個科目裡面委員所關切的也是針對我們這些電力開發計畫的一個進度尤其針對台電的幾個燃氣計畫的進度那這部分呢我們能源署跟台電公司都有按期的來做進度的控管遇到困難的時候也會跨部會的來做協調"},{"start":27499.611,"end":27526.563,"text":"那第二個委員關切的地熱的開發在剛剛有做了相關的說明那第三個核能的部分大概有剛剛的上一個議題也做說明那另外委員關切一個電價那電價的部分我們會在電價審議委員會裡面做一個充分的討論在這個照顧民生穩定物價以及兼顧到台電的一個穩健經營的條件下做一個妥適的一個討論那另外委員關切到一個減碳的這個議題呢我們也會積極的來開發再生能源來讓我們的整個台電的碳排"},{"start":27530.324,"end":27546.627,"text":"另外在國際雙邊的合作部分我們也會持續跟國際上的這些包括德國、美國、日本等等這些做雙邊的能源相關的交流讓我們的臺灣的能源政策可以跟國際接軌以上做一個簡要的一個說明楊瓊英的那個384改組決議"},{"start":27557.358,"end":27557.518,"text":"391改組決議392改組決議"},{"start":27572.464,"end":27592.235,"text":"我提案的這個部分我想這個署長應該知道這次在那個嘉義縣大埔就是那個光電案其實對當地的居民真的造成非常大的影響跟困擾那主要是他在都市計劃區他也入侵就是說光電業者愛怎麼蓋就怎麼蓋"},{"start":27593.516,"end":27619.937,"text":"那引發非常大的反彈還來到這個行政院抗議那未來經濟委員會質詢當時也有跟部長報告就是說這一些相親的情況那所以這一個的爭議我覺得應該要有一個徹底的解決方案那之前院長也有採視他說有一些面積太小的我不曉得指這個個案他說有一些面積太小太零所以如果加上居民又反對未來這一類的應該要"},{"start":27622.519,"end":27646.715,"text":"就是不要再開發了這樣子那我那時候質詢我記得也有問過部長部長說光是與電共生那個面積其實就很大了那所以這個部分我是覺得經濟部的能源署到現在沒有建立一套SOP就審查的原則所以當時包括地方政府嘉義縣政府也沒有把關那中央這邊也沒有一個明確的規範那現在造成這麼大的一個爭議現在那個案場是暫時停工"},{"start":27648.936,"end":27673.714,"text":"但是也還沒有真正的解決所以這件事情我認為能源署這邊應該要訂出一個標準的作業辦法加上之前院長的才事你們應該要有一套審理的原則那像爭議中的案場就應該根據你們新頒布的這個原則就讓地方政府其實應該要去執行那所以這一個部分我覺得真的我們沒有反對發展"},{"start":27674.755,"end":27702.791,"text":"太陽能光點但是如果說他發展的過程當中很顯然大埔鄉這麼小的一個地方真的那個部長跟署長都沒有到現場看我看了真的覺得哇這個好山好水變成這個樣子大埔是應該發展觀光的地方結果因為沒有一個好的把關機制變成居民他們現在很憤怒連鄉長鄉長自己當天我去考察的時候他都說他也拿業者沒辦法就是"},{"start":27703.411,"end":27731.289,"text":"只要地主同意他就進來蓋這樣子所以他那個有的老人食堂他的屋簷光電板都已經接到他的屋簷我們要去考察的時候他才把他退縮個兩塊三塊所以這個問題其實真的蠻大的所以我希望這個能源署你可以訂出一個具體的辦法而且應該是要頒布讓地方政府也知道類似這樣的案子應該要怎麼處理所以我這個案子最主要的目的是這樣子"},{"start":27735.925,"end":27762.028,"text":"所以這個3904好接下來本席的提案有398、399跟400那最重要的話我們就要看到我們整個離岸風電的發展我們的技術上先是示範然後次潛力然後後區塊這三個階段在推動那在離岸風電裡面我們有"},{"start":27763.629,"end":27770.593,"text":"合準了18座的離岸風電發電廠安裝了有565隻的風機那現在的話風機只完成裝設的話只有283隻還有一半的部分沒有裝設這個整個整體的工程是延宕的這樣子的話就不利後續的我們離岸風電這個順利的來併網發電的問題這個都要積極的檢討"},{"start":27789.242,"end":27789.602,"text":"三天一次會議三天一次會議"},{"start":27811.93,"end":27832.272,"text":"臺電在遭遇破產的危機,所以我們在2018年到現在我們已經適度的調漲電價了所以我們希望我們漲幅的總計在33.4%這部分我們要來努力來再提升才不會違反了穩定物價跟民生的原則"},{"start":27833.513,"end":27842.4,"text":"在400案的話我們我國能源政策的這個研究裡面我們必須要參照著像美國跟日本兩國目前美國都已經宣布要擴大核電的這個發展要因應這個氣候變遷來滿足乾淨的這個能源的需求日本也在2030年要將核電的佔比提高到20%"},{"start":27859.733,"end":27874.688,"text":"所以我們國的立場如果放棄了這個核電未來跟這兩國的能源政策是不相符的雙方的交流恐怕會沒有什麼具體的效益這個也請我們提供出一些具體效益的這部分報告以上先請秋瑩委員"},{"start":27881.321,"end":27908.183,"text":"謝謝主席我針對這個能源規劃跟國際交流的部分我想還是跟能源署提一下就是我們過去在談幾件事情除了太陽能之外這個氫能的整體的發展我不曉得能源署在這一方面的進度為何那不管是氫能的發展或者是碳封存等等這一些"},{"start":27909.85,"end":27933.687,"text":"是不是能源署你們在跟所謂的國際交流的時候在這一塊是不是也能夠或許已經有著墨了已經有交流過了但是我可能還沒有看到那相關的報告是不是也能夠準備一下那再來就是我們本席其實不止一次在這個質詢的時候談到很多新的這些太陽能板的"},{"start":27935.168,"end":27961.986,"text":"不管是除電或者是太陽能板的裝置方式這一些你們應該跟國外也有一些交流應該可以也跟國外大概也可以追尋一下他們的一些新的做法這個部分我不曉得能源署在這一方面的推動為何過去我提到說比如說你那個高速公路的比較偏遠地區的可以裝置太陽能板"},{"start":27962.646,"end":27963.227,"text":"12月25日及26日三天一次會議"},{"start":27980.891,"end":27983.672,"text":"請邱智偉委員我講說的邱委員就幫我說了好那這樣子我們就直接來處理了"},{"start":28015.213,"end":28017.354,"text":"393改組決議393改組決議還有嗎?沒有了我們就處理了我們現在針對384到401改成組決議的案子有384391392393"},{"start":28047.245,"end":28066.315,"text":"還有385也改組決議好那針對後面幾案的話要提供出書面報告我們經同意時得動之這邊我們我們沒有凍結我現在宣布好我們凍結300萬"},{"start":28073.097,"end":28075.399,"text":"國際交流整個幕嗎?39888萬這個凍結300嗎?客幕字條所以那個主席你現在是我們是384到4013988萬這個凍結300是不是?是好"},{"start":28096.442,"end":28123.574,"text":"因為這樣將近一成喔我是如果委員召委如果可以支持我們可不可以凍結稍微少一點我們凍結一百萬384到401凍結一百萬書面報告謝謝好現在處理主決議402案402案有跟委員報告已經簽名了有文字做修正那只針對離岸風電的部分提供報告好這個書面"},{"start":28126.147,"end":28153.943,"text":"修改好用書面報告好302文字修正通過403遵照辦理通過404404委員這邊有一個新的提案那會併這個案子就有關於申罷的部分會用新案來跟這個案子一起併那有一個新的提案併案處理好404修正通過405遵照辦理通過"},{"start":28158.151,"end":28158.291,"text":"請宣讀協商結論"},{"start":28171.052,"end":28200.412,"text":"宣讀協商結論第一案凍結兩百萬元提出書面報告後使得動之第二至第六案凍結落實萬元提出書面報告後使得動之第七至第九案預算照列其中第九案改為主決議第十至四十九案第一幕簡列一百萬元科目自行調整凍結兩億元提出專案報告後使得動之其中十一案十四案十六案十七案四十八案均改為主決議"},{"start":28201.692,"end":28206.394,"text":"第50至52案第二目凍結200萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第53、54案第三目凍結60萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資"},{"start":28214.639,"end":28228.582,"text":"第55至58案第4目預算照列其中57案58案均改為主決議第59至69案第5目凍結100萬元提出書面報告後死的凍之第70至82案第6目凍結30億元提出專案報告後死的凍之其中71案改為主決議"},{"start":28238.504,"end":28251.601,"text":"第83案第7目預算照列第84案第8目預算照列第85至95案第9目凍結500萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資其中91案94案95案均改為主決議"},{"start":28255.677,"end":28267.908,"text":"第96至99案第10目凍結一千萬元提出書面報告後時的凍資。 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