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897.991,"text":"好,那我們第一案我們做成決議基金來源我們增列兩千萬元好,謝謝我們現在處理第二到十一案港灣建設計畫預算數三十八億五千三百六十萬元好,那我們請提案委員有沒有要提問鄰居縣委員"},{"start":1906.276,"end":1925.92,"text":"謝謝本集題第三案是有3減3千萬和凍結10%主要先請我們港務基金這邊來說明一下為什麼你今年的執行率那麼差?港分建設計畫到今年11月原來今年預算的20億7599萬只有執行60%請說明"},{"start":1932.295,"end":1948.695,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":1949.155,"end":1963.318,"text":"第十案可以改為組結議。第八案跟第九案是不是適度的刪一下,因為我刪的金額算高,是不是能夠三個兩千萬。好,謝謝林國成委員。那林崑哲委員。"},{"start":1973.69,"end":1986.354,"text":"我的是第二案港灣建設計畫總共編列的預算是38億比113年度的預算增加了3億9683萬如果再比較112年度的決算也增加了11億左右其實我看這項預算在過去的這種執行率的狀況其實是不太好的"},{"start":2002.719,"end":2020.487,"text":"那除了預算編列應該要更加謹慎那我也認為應該要檢討過去的執行的狀態那港務公司有跟我們來對話討論我是可以同意改3減2000萬然後凍結5000萬提書面報告後解凍以上謝謝李坤哲委員那還有委員要提問"},{"start":2029.463,"end":2051.114,"text":"本席提第五案我的部分也是跟昆澤人關心的也是一樣有關我們在港灣建設計畫裡面除了部分新增計畫之外114年度部分項目是延續辦理的跨年的一個項目但是我們看到就是說截至113年7月底"},{"start":2053.095,"end":2075.552,"text":"累計的預算執行率未達一成的就有三項所以我們希望就是說我們航港局這邊針對這三項的執行率延遲的原因及改善的措施希望能夠提出具體的一個改善計畫然後於一個月內向交通委員會提出書面報告後使得動之那本席是提凍結預算10%好謝謝"},{"start":2078.854,"end":2081.401,"text":"還有沒有委員要提問?如果沒有我們現在就請這個局長、葉局長說明。"},{"start":2087.415,"end":2110.328,"text":"好,謝謝昭偉跟各位委員的這個提案的那針對剛剛各位委員的提案我這邊很簡要的綜合報告跟各位委員來做報告說明那第一個是有關林俊憲委員跟李昆澤委員特別提到這個港港建設計畫執行績效這個有落後的部分"},{"start":2110.928,"end":2135.203,"text":"那跟委員報告就是說最主要是港務公司這邊因為有一些的工程呢必須要配合這個規劃設計的時程那在下半年來才能夠發包那到11月的這個分配數執行數已經達到20.76億執行率到92.43那到年底呢可以全數執行完畢所以執行績效已經有改善"},{"start":2135.903,"end":2153.708,"text":"第二個為了有效的改善這個持續提升我們港灣建設計畫的這個執行率港公司每個月都有召開這個專案的會議來檢討航港局有透過我們相關的系統持續的來關注這個港公司執行狀況每年有兩次的專案會議"},{"start":2155.97,"end":2157.431,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":2173.55,"end":2194.148,"text":"那另外有關剛剛趙偉這邊有特別提到有三項的這個議員以上那到7月底為止執行績效為達一成的這個三項的工程我這邊特別跟趙偉報告第一個是高雄港的過港隧道的消防設備這個部分"},{"start":2195.909,"end":2216.364,"text":"這部分目前已經完成發包然後月付款已經完成撥付所以今年預計執行數已經全數執行完畢第二個是有關高雄港第五貨櫃中心的變電站的工程那這個工程也在7月份完成決標"},{"start":2217.245,"end":2239.865,"text":"那12月已經完成1.18億的一個撥付所以執行率也達到百分之百第三個工程就是我們七貴的貨櫃專用刀的部分那這個部分呢,航港基金的分配款2.59億元這個因為四個標都已經完成發包所以2.59億元今年度已經全數撥付完畢那執行率也達到百分之百"},{"start":2240.566,"end":2264.903,"text":"那我想,謝謝各位委員的提醒,我想航港局跟港澳公司會持續來關注跟提升這個港澳建設計畫的執行績效。那編列預算也會更加的省慎。那我想讓這個航港經濟的這個編列跟致用都能夠更為有效。那我想就先做以上簡要的報告。"},{"start":2265.609,"end":2288.975,"text":"好,謝謝葉局長詳細的說明,那如果沒有其他委員要再追詢,那我們就來做一個處理,那二到十一案有委員提刪減案還有凍結案,那剛剛我們李崑澤委員就是要刪減兩千萬,那林國成委員也是主張要刪減兩千萬,那這個部分"},{"start":2289.815,"end":2294.82,"text":"非營業部分關於交通部主管航港建設基金非營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司"},{"start":2316.141,"end":2326.592,"text":"我們接下來處理第12到16案國際商港未來發展及建設計畫一般港建設基金辦理部分預算數是46億3668萬2000元這部分提案委員要不要做提問鄰居縣委員"},{"start":2335.463,"end":2353.087,"text":"感謝主席、各位同仁。本期題第12案請接近說明明年度你在本預算跟今年相較增加了快10%大概增略了4億多達到了46億3600萬再來準備要做國際三港未來發展及建設計畫"},{"start":2358.948,"end":2369.216,"text":"但是我們的港灣建設計畫到今年11月已經超額執行了到60億執行率變143%但同年的香港服務費只有48億遠低於國際香港的支出造成收支失"},{"start":2381.666,"end":2383.928,"text":"國際香港未來發展及建設計畫在航港建設基金的辦理部分編列了46億3668萬元"},{"start":2407.842,"end":2420.516,"text":"這個比113年度的預算其實是增加了4億1,006萬元但是我們來看航港基金114年度預算其實是減少了12億2,355萬"},{"start":2423.82,"end":2451.413,"text":"而且113年度相關預算這個執行率也是狀況不佳那我一再認為這相關預算編列是應該要更加的嚴謹等一下要說明預算辦理的情形然後再如何改善的這種執行狀況也等一下請局長說明一下另外是第15案國際香港未來發展及建設計畫航港建設基金辦理部分"},{"start":2452.393,"end":2464.544,"text":"編列了46億3668萬元但是航港基金的剩餘是逐年降低我提醒局長112年的決算僅僅是4333萬元然後113年預計還會再短掃860萬元那114年度的預算"},{"start":2479.336,"end":2504.313,"text":"減少約12億2355萬元應該說明計畫的必要性便儘速要推動財務的改善以利基金的這種永續發展這兩個案我原本都是要刪減在看你們說明的狀況之後再來做處理以上"},{"start":2505.253,"end":2523.332,"text":"好,謝謝李坤澤委員那還有沒有委員要提問?若沒有我們現在就請航港局葉局長說明好,謝謝趙偉跟兩位委員的這個提案的提醒那首先跟林委員報告呢那第一個是有關國際商港這個計畫的這個進度的超前"},{"start":2526.996,"end":2549.571,"text":"剛剛李委員也有關心這邊跟兩位委員報告就是說這邊最主要是港務公司在執行航港基金在執行各國際商港的公共基礎設施的工程在今年度有進度超前的情形配合進度的執行依照工程的合約來撥付所以執行率有超過100%"},{"start":2550.692,"end":2569.887,"text":"那剛剛林委員特別垂詢了商服費每年只有48億那這個部分的確不足以支應這個我們國際三港的這個計畫那這邊特別跟委員報告航港基金的收入來源大概有三大部分除了商服費將近50億元之外"},{"start":2570.347,"end":2596.472,"text":"另外港務公司依照設置條例營業預提撥每年要營業預提撥30%給我們航港基金另外各港的土地的租金跟權利金有2%也是要歸到航港基金所以總共有三筆預算來支應但是就像剛剛李昆哲委員所提醒的我們逐年現在基金的剩餘逐年的降低"},{"start":2596.972,"end":2611.357,"text":"那到預估到明年底只剩下86億元這部分我想施一個警訊我們有特別的注意那我想未來呢我們在跟港公司第一個就是年度的計劃的預算的編列上"},{"start":2612.737,"end":2634.623,"text":"還是會以充分的審慎的以量入為出考量他的這個優先款級的這個原則下審慎來做一個編列那另外呢開源的部分有跟兩位委員報告就是說第一個是港公司在112年呢已經調高了這個港部業務費10%所以航港基金可以透過這個"},{"start":2635.843,"end":2659.131,"text":"港部業務費提升增加由公司營業分配另外臺北港土方管理費我們這邊也有足以增加所以一年大概可以增加4到5億元的收入我想透過開源節流的措施我們希望維持航港基金的財務永續這部分我想謝謝兩位會員提醒我們這邊後續還是會持續關注財務的狀況以上報告"},{"start":2663.792,"end":2681.189,"text":"謝謝我們李坤召委員謝謝召委我請教一下局長,航港建設基金為什麼會有這種逐年短促的情形因為我們知道航港建設基金當然它的來源當然是有政府預算的這種程序的撥款"},{"start":2682.57,"end":2700.368,"text":"也有香港的服務會的這個收入還有財產出租啊還有其他經營事業機構的收入等等那也有香港經營事業機構提撥之年度營餘的分配收入"},{"start":2701.268,"end":2726.007,"text":"以及航港局經營或管理國內商港的營運收入還有原商港建設費的這個撥入還有這個基金的支息的收入等等那為什麼會有減少的這種狀況來說明一下是是跟理論報告那因為航港理論基金主要的用途是用在"},{"start":2726.887,"end":2739.999,"text":"我們七大國際商港的公共基礎設施的這個工程的建設那這幾年配合離岸風電的發展等等那這幾年依照我們最新一期行政院核定的111到15的這個"},{"start":2741.821,"end":2767.8,"text":"我們國際三港的五年建設計畫這幾年的建設的需求是比過去來得高所以往往我們在基金的用途就是不管是國際專案的這個計畫還是港灣建設計畫的需求都會比我們基金的來源數來得高那以至於近幾年這個剩餘有逐漸下降的這個情形"},{"start":2768.26,"end":2786.718,"text":"那這個部分呢謝謝委員提醒我們也有特別跟部裡報告那也有特別關注到這樣的一個現象那這個部分除了我剛剛報告的開源節流還有編列的審慎的一個考量之外另外呢特別我們也跟港公司協商"},{"start":2787.759,"end":2813.714,"text":"在歸由航港基金來支應的這個分擔的這個原則裡面我們也再來進一步來檢視哪一些應該是歸在航港基金屬於基礎設施的部分哪一些是歸在屬於營業性有收入面的部分由港務公司的營業基金來負擔好,這樣就很清楚啦報告召喚我的部分就同意不刪減啦然後這個凍結3000萬提書面報告後解凍以上"},{"start":2816.476,"end":2837.036,"text":"好,謝謝李昆澤委員。那明居縣委員這邊是不是有同意就不審檢了。好,那我們現在就來進行處理第12到第16案國際商港未來發展及建設計畫一般港建設基金辦理部分決議就是凍結3000萬元提書面報告後使得凍資。"},{"start":2839.879,"end":2852.754,"text":"謝謝,那我們接下來處理第17到23案,五國智慧航安服務升級計畫,預算數是3億9千7百零5萬9千元。那我們請吉昂委員,還有那個林國成委員,謝謝。"},{"start":2853.615,"end":2874.102,"text":"好那個謝謝主席我本期提案是21案跟23案跟23案所以我這兩案啊當然本來是有3減5000萬跟8000萬那我在想是經過溝通說明以後這裡啊這兩個案子是否可以小刪200萬然後"},{"start":2876.463,"end":2903.997,"text":"我們堅持的就是這些智慧航安提升的這個計畫要做專案報告所以這兩個案要做專案報告所以啊我是建議這個小三兩百萬然後要做專案報告以上好謝謝林國成委員好那還有委員要提問嗎沒有的話那我們就請葉局長說明"},{"start":2909.087,"end":2928.177,"text":"謝謝林委員的提案就是有關21案跟23案我想相關的內容大概都有跟委員辦公室這邊來做報告那有關刪減的部分我想這邊我們配合辦理那是不是因為就是用在這個專案計畫裡面那可不可以跟委員"},{"start":2929.518,"end":2952.893,"text":"這邊請人幫忙就是說專案報告的部分可不可以改成書面報告我們會詳細的針對委員關心的事項就仔細的報告說明那是不是提書面報告後時的動機這個再拜託委員沒有啦這個因為這個智慧航運這個安全的部分這個非常重要啦"},{"start":2953.513,"end":2970.121,"text":"所以也可以把所有的東西把它排列一下做一個專案報告這個也無妨啊那所有三預算我都已經退讓那這個部分你書面跟專案只是來到立法院我們有疑問我們再問一問這個有什麼困難呢"},{"start":2972.623,"end":2977.591,"text":"我們就退回辦理,那是不是就3.2百萬名譽凍結,不知道這樣可以嗎?"},{"start":2986.887,"end":3011.965,"text":"就是跟委員會啦,專案報告一定是跟委員會啊好,那我們林季炫委員來,感謝主席跟各位同仁其實我也要提第17案啦其實因為我們一整輪預算審下來如果都專案報告你沒有計算可能累積起來就不得了"},{"start":3012.665,"end":3012.945,"text":"好。好的。"},{"start":3042.386,"end":3059.908,"text":"好那如果沒有其他委員要再就是垂詢我們就來做一個處理啦齁但是您因為民國總委員關心的那個我第10屆案也有提因為你那個是什麼智慧隨路因為現在反正送預算都要加入智慧兩個字啦好像好像這樣入味的不太會痛"},{"start":3061.309,"end":3076.8,"text":"但是你這個是航安、航行安全那為什麼水路事故那會增加呢?所以這個你們自己要改善啊,我說你事業報告要提出這邊是是是,我們會對這一點是是,謝謝委員提醒"},{"start":3077.622,"end":3103.798,"text":"好,本席又提第19案也是針對那個智慧航安的這個部分那就是請航港局就是針對我的提案一併做一個詳細的說明好,那我們現在就來做一個處理第17到23案我國智慧航安服務升級計畫我們就是三減兩百萬然後凍結十分之一"},{"start":3105.259,"end":3109.401,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3132.753,"end":3145.391,"text":"第二十四到二十七案一般行政管理計劃預算數十二億六千六百九十八萬三千元那請問提案的委員要不要好那個林國成有"},{"start":3146.071,"end":3171.744,"text":"本席提了二十五案跟二十七案那個二十七案可以改為主決議啦改為主決議那另外就是二十五案這個部分建議那個凍結百分之二十書面報告,原則上是書面報告好,這一步刪減了好,那我們徐副委員"},{"start":3175.668,"end":3192.837,"text":"謝主席,我提出第24案,是有機於最近這個海難災害防救一個處理的機制。那,航港局截至今年7月為止,就16件外籍漁船擱淺的案子,帶電處理的費用高達3億6千多萬,但是帶追場的金額還有2億6千多萬。"},{"start":3196.579,"end":3225.923,"text":"所以帶電追回的比例只有不到三成那尤其目前我們跟其他的國家訂定的這個相關的一個條約協議或是約定並沒有一個強制規範的一個行政處分的一個措施造成我們這個追償的一個問題那所以本席我這邊提案凍結一般行政管理計畫預算五千萬那也請我們航港局提出相關的書面報告使得動之以上說明"},{"start":3226.909,"end":3244.821,"text":"好,謝謝徐副委員,那還沒有其他委員要提問,如果沒有我們就來進行處理,那這邊都是凍結案,那是不是建議我們就併案凍結五千萬,然後提書面報告後實行凍結。"},{"start":3250.111,"end":3252.632,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3277.458,"end":3292.408,"text":"一、二十九案本來是建議是不是可以三個一百萬吧那報告就不要了。好,那局長這邊要不要說謝謝張偉根委員那這個部分我想我們努力的終結這個採購的預算那我們配合3.0百萬元"},{"start":3305.356,"end":3310.419,"text":"二十八案的部分你們有去溝通嗎?有跟旅委員辦公室報告我們就來處理我們併案處理一般建築及設備計畫我們併案處理三減一百萬元就免於凍結"},{"start":3330.676,"end":3354.393,"text":"好,謝謝。那我們接下來處理第30到43案,決議案。好,第30案。報告委員,報告委員會,甚至章案報告可以改成所有的報告,有跟盧委員辦公室報告了。OK,好,那就照文字修正後通過。第31案。遵照辦理。好,章案通過。第32案。遵照辦理。"},{"start":3354.733,"end":3362.657,"text":"召喚通過第33案。召喚通過第34案。召喚通過第35案。召喚通過第36案。召喚通過第37案。召喚通過第38案。召喚通過第39案。召喚通過第40案。報告召委、報告委員會那這邊可能要建議著作文字修正"},{"start":3381.207,"end":3402.321,"text":"那因為要跟委員會報告就是說因為邱委員這個提案是針對高雄港的貨櫃量的招商的經濟計畫的這個建議那因為這個部分是屬於經營管理面的部分是屬於港務公司的權責那是不是建議倒數第二行這個由航港局研擬高雄港貨櫃"},{"start":3404.463,"end":3422.623,"text":"運量、招商、經濟計劃這個文字呢,軸條為航港建設基金編列國際商港公共基礎建設經費檢討機制。軸座文字求證。好,那提案委員我們邱瑞華委員。我們的邱委員同意。對,主決議員。"},{"start":3425.887,"end":3437.357,"text":"第二行文字有修正有文字修正你有簽名的我們就是照文字修正後通過第41案遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理"},{"start":3446.553,"end":3471.203,"text":"那我們航港建設基金114年度附屬單位預算的預算提案我們處理完畢接下來我們處理港務公司我們就是休息5分鐘來換場一下那本席在這邊補充宣告就是公共工程委員會的預算提案第60案第61案這個兩位提案委員同意改組決議謝謝"},{"start":3473.832,"end":3476.993,"text":"就是盧明哲委員跟黃建豪委員同意改組決議。謝謝。"},{"start":3499.414,"end":3500.334,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央"},{"start":3527.501,"end":3527.521,"text":"臺灣國務卿"},{"start":3583.973,"end":3600.326,"text":"好,那我們繼續開會接下來我們處理臺灣港務公司114年度營業預算預算提案那我們首先來處理第一、第二案營業收入的部分那我們請提案委員要不要提問請林佩祥委員"},{"start":3600.886,"end":3625.803,"text":"謝謝主席。本席是針對他們的營業收入我是提議增列5億元是因為說根據他們現在疫情之後全球經濟已經復甦所以針對說今年明年據說明年的這個經濟成長率是3.2%左右所以說依港務公司去年的performance的績效來講應該可以增加到5億元但是經過溝通之後改為增列1億元"},{"start":3628.285,"end":3646.954,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":3648.879,"end":3663.772,"text":"還有營業收入增加随同增列支付航港建设基金全利金。好,谢谢。好,那我們现在处理第三到第三十案服务费用的部分。那总预算数是40亿1000。"},{"start":3666.454,"end":3671.616,"text":"第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會"},{"start":3690.561,"end":3693.123,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":3712.611,"end":3733.464,"text":"第二十千元也大概啦二十千是我們那個所謂推廣費用就是也是等於是郵輪的對針對郵輪的國際國際招商啦幫主席沒想到提第15案第15案也是我們的業務費用啦業務費用這一筆錢主要是行銷獎勵啦就我們吸引國際的貨輪貨櫃裝卸到臺灣來"},{"start":3738.988,"end":3743.65,"text":"但是這筆錢花下去以後呢我發現我們從2021年2022年到2023年在臺灣在我們國內的我們的三港貨櫃吞吐量啊就有減少這個趨勢啊"},{"start":3755.234,"end":3775.262,"text":"所以你用獎勵金恐怕沒有辦法達到我們預期的能夠吸引國際的這種商輪到臺灣來裝卸貨運是不是還有其他的原因我認為應該要再提除了錢以外獎勵金以外看起來效果不好"},{"start":3775.962,"end":3788.95,"text":"有沒有其他的方式應該做一個檢討那北京本來提10分之一後來經過說明以後他們同意凍結2000萬這個北京同意那再提報告北京我講的是第15案好謝謝"},{"start":3790.54,"end":3803.475,"text":"好謝謝林俊憲委員接下來林培祥委員好謝謝主席本席提的是第6案、第13案跟第23案有關第6案也是一樣是旅運費要出包括說去邁阿密的郵輪論壇"},{"start":3811.824,"end":3825.112,"text":"本席曾經在港務公司任職的時候去過郵輪論壇。事實上來講,我認同林俊憲委員的想法,我是認同,三結百分之十。針對第23案來講的話,經過溝通協調之後,所謂的專業服務費本席願意改為凍結百分之二十。"},{"start":3833.217,"end":3857.597,"text":"但是針對第13案本席堅持目前因為如果說仔細看進去如果說以第13案6億6千6億6千6千萬的這個預算來看的時候我們當我們看進去這個預算書第48頁我們會看到說行銷獎勵措施高達6億5千萬然後真正有關這個拖船拖船的獎勵之類只到不到不到1千萬這一點來講我本席認為是說這點需要詳細解釋所以本席堅持"},{"start":3861.62,"end":3884.169,"text":"三除一億元,風險百分之三十。好,謝謝林佩祥委員。接下來邀請李昆澤委員,之後再請邱若驊委員,接續是林國成委員,謝謝。謝謝召委。我的是第三案。服務費用的預算,它編列40億左右。我看我們依據勞動部的違反勞動法令事業單位這個查詢系統的資訊,"},{"start":3890.851,"end":3916.061,"text":"我們港務公司都有相關違反的這些具體事項那其實我認為這個是嚴重的影響勞工的安全那作為國營事業應該要嚴守勞動法令杜絕這種違法的情形應該更具體的保障勞工的這些基本的安全"},{"start":3916.801,"end":3922.423,"text":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會"},{"start":3942.689,"end":3965.807,"text":"預算必須增加維護的這些費用那這個我可以同意不刪減那第30案就是推展費我們編列了4013萬元這個用途主要是包括招商業務推廣等等但是我看我們港務公司的114年的營業收入預算比113年度的預算"},{"start":3970.151,"end":3974.436,"text":"僅僅增加了1.5%預計營業收入金額甚至會不會比112年的決算1億3109萬元這個請你們來說明以上"},{"start":3988.548,"end":4009.448,"text":"李昆哲委員。接下來邱若驊委員。謝謝主席。本席提的是第14案,因為有看到業務費用,它的包裝代理還有加工費,還有行銷獎勵金。高雄港112年貨櫃量大幅縮減,雖然國際排名沒有退後,還進步一名,可是貨櫃量大幅下滑是一個基準的事實。"},{"start":4010.189,"end":4035.464,"text":"也是港務公司現在現存的一個重大挑戰所以本席有提有凍結該科目就是兩千萬元這邊凍結兩千萬然後也要求港務公司提出精進的對策解決高雄港競爭力的問題然後再來是本席還有提第22案那這邊這個預算和過往類似的名目的預算像是港灣"},{"start":4036.445,"end":4036.985,"text":"以上說明,謝謝。"},{"start":4059.397,"end":4064.019,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算公司營業部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業部主管臺灣港務股份"},{"start":4078.795,"end":4092.871,"text":"接下來邀請林國成委員謝謝主席,因為本席提第四案跟二十案跟二十八案,第四案的部分就不刪減了,也不凍結"},{"start":4096.636,"end":4108.669,"text":"二十案的部分本席建議也不凍結然後三減三百萬第二十八案三減兩百萬其他不凍結好謝謝林國成委員"},{"start":4113.995,"end":4141.092,"text":"還有其他委員要遵循的那部分那本席這邊也提了三案我大概快速簡單的講一下就是我的第16案是針對我們的業務費用服務費用這一項就是我們有編列行銷獎勵措施6億5000萬元這個部分主要是要提供經濟獎勵又一來吸引航商來臺灣港群作業提升這個港口的競爭力"},{"start":4141.932,"end":4167.799,"text":"我們看到高雄港在2023年的時候這個排名就是已經降為第17名然後這個貨櫃量2023年也比2022年來跌幅了6.9%所以這個部分本期是提凍結3000萬元希望臺灣港務公司能夠研議提升港口競爭競爭力的一個有效的一個策略然後提出書面報告後使得動之"},{"start":4168.599,"end":4184.596,"text":"然後第21案的部分我們有看到就是在勞務成本維持費用專業服務費這個部分也編列了3600萬元主要是要配合相關環保政策及法規執行各環境監測與污染防治助業"},{"start":4185.237,"end":4185.597,"text":"第二十五案"},{"start":4215.133,"end":4240.716,"text":"我們針對業務費用、服務費用、推展費這個預算數4,0139,000元這個部分港務公司主要是要辦理客運及觀光油氣、水岸開發業務等等我想這個觀光的部分我們都非常的關心也希望我們可以做得更好那我們也看到就是就會擴規量的話我剛剛有提到我們的諜府叫"},{"start":4241.517,"end":4243.82,"text":"2023年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算2022年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":4256.374,"end":4275.162,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4275.162,"end":4301.471,"text":"我想可能最大宗就是那個第13個業務大概就是整個的行銷獎勵6億5他最主要是我們在113年我們行銷獎勵金主要就是你這個貨櫃量的獎勵1.23億這個就是包含那個船舶卸轉或專案的那個獎勵"},{"start":4302.931,"end":4328.078,"text":"另外還有加上就是高雄港的我們增加那個轉口櫃大概17萬2另外還有就是藍色公路的獎勵是0.35億這個最主要就是減少那個貨櫃車在高速公路車流量24萬車次另外就是港口的那個數位轉型0.2億"},{"start":4329.838,"end":4331.839,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":4351.572,"end":4363.025,"text":"並有兩千艘次的捷徑船舶到岸臺灣港口那今年齁其實剛剛也召委會講就是2022、2023是剛好是"},{"start":4366.869,"end":4389.957,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":4390.057,"end":4418.425,"text":"那所以我們希望就是說這一個獎勵的話我們是用這到午上那114年我們稍微有編就是配合配獎委員還有講有一些脫傳或需要協助的我們都會在這裡來談信來應用這樣因為這一個是真的是一方面就是可以增加我們的收入那一方面也可以業者本來是像我們現在七櫃全部給長榮了長榮他整個是以高雄港作為母港"},{"start":4419.005,"end":4441.777,"text":"那去年的話他有講說大概今年不到400萬多明年他說他有講400以上起跳可以到4或是400以上跟委員補充報告就是說像基隆港的這個貴廠也有獎勵他們只要符合這個規定他都可以提出來都可以申請他們也都有申請那"},{"start":4444.359,"end":4471.978,"text":"明年我們重點在於說未來比如說它的那個運具啊或是像說電動對高機啊這些機具呢如果原來是用有的如果改成買電的我們都有獎勵我們都有補助希望說我們共同一起來努力來降低我們的碳排這樣子那所以說整個這個案子呢其實是多面向的鼓勵我們的行商能夠跟我們一起齁"},{"start":4473.22,"end":4485.937,"text":"結能減碳、落實這個環保的一個得益議題這樣子這個是我們一起在努力的部分對不起我要補充那請問一下當初自營櫃場被監察院檢討的一件事情後來案子怎麼樣了?"},{"start":4487.663,"end":4505.585,"text":"檢察院的說我們基隆港的基隆港的自營櫃場被被檢察院有有時候報告說基隆基隆基隆基隆港的自營櫃場與明真立這件案子後來怎麼樣了?補充跟委員報告齁實際上是我們是不會主動去拉拉這個船來"},{"start":4506.306,"end":4520.999,"text":"是如果有業者他選擇要靠我們的自營櫃場的話我們會接納的所以說我們是被動來服務我們的行商業者我們不會主動去跟以往所以我們的租金自營櫃場租金比別的地方便宜不是嗎"},{"start":4522.019,"end":4525.821,"text":"政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":4554.416,"end":4566.58,"text":"水電費凍結1000萬元我報告一下,因為這個都是給我們在港區的航商業者實際上是達到這個標準我們才會給,我們也不會亂給"},{"start":4569.781,"end":4596.603,"text":"第2、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算例如說貨櫃航商把航線拉到臺灣來像今年的鴻海事件就是那個波斯灣鴻海事件的時候我們獎勵措施就發揮了效用就增加了將近10萬Q所以說這個是很有效的第2個就是說航商業者因為我們有獎勵其他即使國際的"},{"start":4598.024,"end":4599.986,"text":"整個高雄港在今年我們跟他算起來"},{"start":4618.665,"end":4624.228,"text":"行銷獎勵的結果大概有增加整個30幾萬HU所以今年會達到920萬HU增加了4.2%比我們的經濟成長率都高所以這一個部分能不能請委員都協助一下謝謝"},{"start":4638.634,"end":4659.061,"text":"李崑澤委員其實我也是認同林佩祥委員認為說我們必須要監督港務公司要保持競爭力而且要促進貨運跟就業的成長有效提升港口的競爭力這我都支持林佩祥我都跟他想法都一樣"},{"start":4660.061,"end":4668.217,"text":"但是我們又要你們有競爭力喔你又把他砍那麼多錢喔還是要怎麼給你做事情而且凍結50%喔這個我想"},{"start":4673.387,"end":4702.159,"text":"凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%凍結20%"},{"start":4705.964,"end":4728.573,"text":"整個貨櫃行業景氣還沒那麼好我還有包括我們各項的一個獎勵剛剛已經報告過了已經到達了五億三千多萬那明年我們是一股會再成長所以說你如果凍結太多的話或是刪減太多的話我實際上是不夠不夠的話我就要必須要這個優惠獎勵措施就要減碼那坦白講"},{"start":4730.214,"end":4752.813,"text":"在競爭力上面我們是希望說如果能夠維持今年的一個量能我們希望說除了獎勵之外我們現在還在提升就是說整個貨櫃碼頭或所有的這個碼頭我們更新讓它效率會更好那我們朝向服務更好效率更好交通動線更好讓我們的業者能夠"},{"start":4753.993,"end":4776.42,"text":"更有吸引力在高雄港或是在其他的港口來有競爭力這是我們努力的一個方向報告林委員這番國融港給我們多一點支持啦,很抱歉啦拜託啦等一下等一下,那個林培祥委員,讓林培祥委員再講完再"},{"start":4777.24,"end":4794.604,"text":"好來謝謝主席齁那個等一下等一下那個軍縣委員等一下因為我想說林培祥委員那林軍縣委員謝謝好就剛林培祥委員關心的齁因為像我們那個貨櫃量這樣一直一直數量遞減下滑齁這確實是大家會關心的齁那你這種績效要做出來嘛"},{"start":4801.55,"end":4829.229,"text":"那我也提案啦因為這種預算每年都會遇到啦那請你港澳公司這裡自己墊出一個績效來就是說你跟金人江比你明年預金會成長多少你就跟我們委員會做個承諾嘛啊你如果做不到啊反正你沒想到每年都遇到他的我們做個負債決議做不成就再給你一次機會沒人來受益啊這個合理吧因為你要他提升他的競爭力"},{"start":4830.49,"end":4855.489,"text":"當然啦,小三一點預算是表示我們國會議員對你們表現得不滿意啦但是你給他砍太多他都不能做事情他明年又有理由啦你不給我錢做事啊我競爭力拉不上來啊所以不能提一個績效目標啦好不好林俊炫委員的建議很好啦那因為我看一下事實上我們港務公司他負責實施的範圍啊就是包括高雄港"},{"start":4856.289,"end":4864.236,"text":"基隆港、臺北港、臺中港及高雄港臺中港蔡其昌委員、高雄港林俊憲委員、李昆澤委員臺北林國成委員、基隆港林佩祥委員"},{"start":4875.365,"end":4901.32,"text":"所以我想這個是一個全國性的實施範圍所以這個部分是不是我們也都希望他們的績效更好所以是不是就是剛剛我們林俊憲委員他的一個建議你們要把那個績效定一個目標然後是不是等一下如果我們有決議書面報告的時候你們這個要含在內那我是不是在這邊建議一下當然我們"},{"start":4901.9,"end":4903.121,"text":"第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆"},{"start":4931.155,"end":4935.581,"text":"建議我們是不是就卓山好不好卓山一千萬好不好"},{"start":4937.362,"end":4961.951,"text":"主算一千萬,然後就凍結百分之二十,凍結百分之二十,就不要專案了啦好不好。專案的話真的,這三天呢。民委員,民委專案其實也是合理啦,也可以討論啦,但是就不要動那麼多啦。"},{"start":4963.091,"end":4981.004,"text":"10%喔不是啦不是啦那個董事長因為我說實在啦因為這個我們林委員他是很內行的你也知道他本來就是你們系統的人他一看到這個我說實在你們編這個預算根本你們自己都寫得不清不楚啦"},{"start":4981.744,"end":4984.085,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":5000.035,"end":5017.969,"text":"我還是建議這個狀況報告一定要報告那你們如何訂定一些目標當然我們也知道你這個錢也不是亂編但是成果不佳是事實嘛那現在主席說三一千三一千你結得了三結一千我們"},{"start":5026.415,"end":5048.43,"text":"因為老實講我是每一個科目看得很細所以這個東西其實你們自己知道你們48頁寫得很爛如果我拿給我們旁邊的委員看到會覺得說包山包海6億5千萬就不見了那現在這個東西沒有出來這個東西如果跟我們出來的話我還會再檢討因為這每一個案子我就覺得奇怪這個錢好像跟我看到的時效不太一樣"},{"start":5049.651,"end":5078.107,"text":"不是,各位,別的地方我不敢講,航港局我沒有動,因為是建立站。港務公司說真的我會嚴格審查,因為很多人有跟我講事情。所以拜託,如果預算要編的話,編列出來不要學說呼嚨呼嚨大家不會去看。好不好?好,那我們就是灼山1000萬元,然後如果凍結20%就書面報告了,好不好?"},{"start":5078.482,"end":5086.811,"text":"因為如果要專案我們就實啦因為不是專案的話一定要專案之後他們才能動之才能解凍"},{"start":5089.896,"end":5105.227,"text":"對啦,而且每個交通委員會在排議程有時候會常常碰到特定的時事議題在排議程也很難去管理費用、工作、乘鎖、電費、凍結10%、刪減400萬元、提案人有耗等"},{"start":5108.609,"end":5120.913,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":5121.075,"end":5123.076,"text":"六、管理費用專業服務費凍結10%凍結10%凍結10%凍結10%"},{"start":5147.955,"end":5173.272,"text":"六、繼續審查管理費用材料及用品費檢列應平均零千元提案人要審查等。OK好那我們就來處理啦我們就來做一個決議就是第三到三十案服務費用那個服務費用向下業務費用服務費用暫儲包裝代理及交工費那個預算數"},{"start":5175.013,"end":5191.077,"text":"六億六千零二十五萬六千元我們灼山一千萬元然後凍結百分之十然後提專案報告後使得凍支。好,就這樣。我們就並案處理啦。並案處理好不好。"},{"start":5199.359,"end":5209.243,"text":"固定資產建設改良擴充專案計畫加強推動公共建設計畫凍結十分之一我們接下來處理第三到31案"},{"start":5229.446,"end":5249.671,"text":"第三十一到三十六案。不好意思。那我們針對材料及用品費用預算數一億兩百八十三萬四千元我們這部分來進行處理。那請問提案委員那個林俊憲委員臺鐵公司自籌款凍結10%提案人劉明哲等"},{"start":5251.191,"end":5276.439,"text":"謝謝主席、各位同仁。本期提第三次案。剛剛那個我們公司都一直在提的我們的綠色港口、節能減碳、降低碳排。但是我們本期第三次案提的就是,那你明年的燃料費,這些燃料費就是供船舶、船橋、卡車、堆高機、發電機、還有機械使用的燃油,你增加了快四成,增加了37.5%。"},{"start":5278.32,"end":5297.836,"text":"那跟你所謂的順應國際和政府綠色能源政策建立綠色港口目標這不是背道而馳嗎那明年預算這裡預算你不要增加那麼多啦怎麼增加到快要4成北極建立卓山100萬那待會也請說明謝謝謝謝林居憲委員接下來邀請邱若驊委員"},{"start":5305.982,"end":5309.465,"text":"第三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":5330.583,"end":5356.188,"text":"可是預算書裏面還有特別編列給紙本報章雜誌有那種左手種樹右手砍樹的感覺現在很多報章雜誌都可以電子化了所以本席冬節本預算百分之五也希望港務公司在兩個月內可以盤點相關紙本報章雜誌的實際情況還有電子化的情況提供書面報告那第35案那港務公司他編列傳播卡車對高階還有發電機等機械擁有高達1100"},{"start":5359.889,"end":5377.073,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":5377.213,"end":5381.095,"text":"謝謝主席,我想請教港務公司,你們這個是有關臺北港的那些防風的那些樹嗎?"},{"start":5397.423,"end":5422.944,"text":"就是我知道臺北港在養港是那些是包括那些樹嗎就是那些種種那些樹去去去避免流沙是不是那如果那要講清楚啊那這個這個這個就很重要這不講清楚要講這些什麼財用費用費誰會看得誰會看得懂啊因為我在臺北港待過啊臺北港那邊不是那個現在樹種的怎麼樣了所以那邊附屬防止防止泥沙流沙那個樹種怎麼樣"},{"start":5424.205,"end":5441.501,"text":"這是包括在裡面還是別的項目?如果查出來是別的項目的話就麻煩囉那個北物流區有那個黃楓林帶對不對我們現在就是填到哪裡做到哪裡都有在種樹齁而且"},{"start":5442.302,"end":5453.428,"text":"那個綠帶蠻寬的,就50到100米都很寬,所以說我們會努力來做,而且包括臺中港的北溢沙區,這個都有在種樹,我們全省9個港都有在種。那我改這個科目改3減900萬改為凍結10%"},{"start":5465.862,"end":5466.383,"text":"李佩祥委員"},{"start":5475.444,"end":5497.876,"text":"好,那個針對那個委員會所關心的就是一些燃料的問題最主要就是說我們大概114年有增加一個挖泥船還有浚深的那另外在我們的那個港區的拖船他現在沒有辦法電動還是需要燃料"},{"start":5498.456,"end":5518.865,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":5518.865,"end":5537.654,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":5537.714,"end":5557.209,"text":"好,謝謝請問提案委員還有要再提問的嗎?沒有的話我們就來做處理那第31到36案材料及用品費我們提案委員都有提刪減案那我們是不是也著刪剛剛我們林委員主張要凍結10%"},{"start":5568.458,"end":5571.942,"text":"主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":5586.378,"end":5592.928,"text":"接下來我們來處理第37到45案營業成本的部分我們預算數是122億1288萬6千元我們提案委員徐富奎委員謝謝"},{"start":5601.64,"end":5603.961,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":5617.947,"end":5641.398,"text":"降到111年的671萬那尤其這個疫後各國增強一個觀光潮那港務公司針對各國的這個國際郵輪盡快復航的部分也有推出了國際郵輪靠婆免收碼頭費還有旅客服務費至少7成等措施那截至就是造成112年營業的損失高達1億6562萬"},{"start":5646.84,"end":5666.288,"text":"113年截至7月營業損失也高達7200多萬我們要求港務公司除了要加強國際行銷之外也應該繼續優化一個旅運的服務我提案凍結營業成本的1億元請港務公司能夠提出一個檢討的措施"},{"start":5668.169,"end":5690.871,"text":"那38案的部分有鑒於玻璃集的貨櫃船天使輪112年7月在高雄港外海沉沒那截至目前為止還沒有完全移除那到今年7月港務公司預估天使輪的一個善後代追的一個代償款高達2億6600多萬那至今也求償無果"},{"start":5691.691,"end":5697.615,"text":"本席也提出提案凍結營業成本5000萬元請港務公司針對傳遞移除的作業能夠進行檢討並積極辦理針對第39案有鑒於港務公司從110年到112年離岸封店這個業務收入介於140%到362%之間"},{"start":5712.085,"end":5738.245,"text":"那最究其原因就是因為部分的業者在預算編列合約到期之後不確定是否繼續承租那也是受到疫情的影響中廠的一個廠商無法如期的開工組裝造成工程的一個延誤那造成業者有這個短期的助力需求造成港務公司的預算評估失準那我們也要求凍結營業成本的5000萬那也督促港務公司針對這樣一個"},{"start":5739.466,"end":5750.18,"text":"離岸風電的業務加強合約的一個管理的機制然後也掌握業者的動態那請我們港務公司針對這三案提出書面報告使得動之以上說明"},{"start":5750.663,"end":5777.203,"text":"好,謝謝徐副國委員接下來邀請黃建豪委員好,謝謝昭偉那我們在這個向下我們提的我是提40案跟42案那40案針對的就是我們港區的各項空屋的這個檢測的標準跟檢測的成果我們希望說那檢測是一回事啦但是同時檢測完之後到底那個每年的空屋有沒有下降我們港區的這個整個空屋還有包含像台中港這邊"},{"start":5778.264,"end":5781.726,"text":"事由．立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11"},{"start":5805.537,"end":5833.196,"text":"後續的處理費用目前都是由我們自己來處理來吸收那要怎麼樣追償什麼球場像這樣如果一來一燒然後就是有2億6千多萬拿不回來那我未來如果再來幾張如果都發生類似的事情我想當然他們不會願意發生但是我發生之後我們要怎麼樣善後那到底你們要怎麼去約束跟規範這些國際郵輪經過臺灣周遭海域的時候他要提出怎麼樣擔保還是說就是他如果成了就算了那追不到就算了因為"},{"start":5833.916,"end":5834.836,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":5860.745,"end":5870.761,"text":"好謝謝黃建豪委員好那還有沒有提案委員要提問如果沒有我們就來做處理那我們是不是請那個李董事長要不要做一個說明"},{"start":5873.997,"end":5876.8,"text":"國際郵輪今年到港432艘,明年預報610艘,人次、艘次增加"},{"start":5890.919,"end":5895.422,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":5916.798,"end":5920.3,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":5947.198,"end":5948.359,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":5968.385,"end":5970.906,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府公司營業預算一、繼續審查114年度中央政府公司"},{"start":5996.579,"end":5999.202,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6011.656,"end":6037.467,"text":"另外就是黃委員最主要就是你這個3600最主要是永續報告書的話我們在臺中港的花店配合火力花店這一個我們都有一些能夠進行政策轉型所以我們有訂定就是國際山港的空屋房子比如說在船舶減速船舶使用低流還有擴大的岸電使用這些我們其中有降到"},{"start":6038.047,"end":6040.33,"text":"第11屆第2會期交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":6058.134,"end":6076.808,"text":"好那謝謝呃李董事長的說明齁那呃如果沒有其他的要再提問的問題我們就來做一個處理那第37到45案呃委員提的都是凍結案齁那呃比起在這邊是不是我們建議就凍結1億元然後提書面報告後使得凍支好好不好好那我們呃第37到45案營業成本我們凍結1億元提書面報告後使得凍支"},{"start":6087.099,"end":6113.715,"text":"接下來我們來處理第46到58案營業費用的部分預算數是34億2724萬元好那我們提案委員林俊憲委員謝謝主席 還有佩翔委員 再次提第58案那經說明以後我同意給你凍結兩百萬好謝謝林俊憲 還是凍結十分之一嘛那現在同意凍結兩百萬兩百萬好那接下來邀請林佩翔委員"},{"start":6118.132,"end":6123.776,"text":"我的提案是48案、50案、52案跟57案前面三個案子48案、50案、52案我都願意改動解10%但是有關第57案有關這個港務公司的研究發展費用"},{"start":6135.623,"end":6137.964,"text":"從112年年就發展費用從1788萬直接增到後來113年的時候變成2860萬到今年居然暴增到6594萬"},{"start":6159.29,"end":6169.225,"text":"所以說這個整個來講我想知道說我想很清楚的知道說為什麼會能夠說暴增這麼多直接暴增4千萬"},{"start":6176.718,"end":6178.519,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6195.356,"end":6219.101,"text":"好謝謝主席本席提474955我本來這三個案都是有刪減那現在改為凍結那49案我是建議要凍結20%其他的部分還是尊重主席做裁定那我刪減的部分改為凍結好謝謝林國成委員那我們現在請李董事長說明"},{"start":6223.07,"end":6233.835,"text":"注意度是研究發展以往都是那個航港局他們在做那在106年到120年那個5年的那個港的計畫在113年的話就轉由港務公司來來來來來來那個辦理"},{"start":6244.301,"end":6247.346,"text":"本來是航港基金編在那邊所以多出來就4600萬"},{"start":6255.85,"end":6279.59,"text":"等於說我們自己來做了以前是那個經費在航港局以前在經費在航港局那裡那現在是移到我們這裡來這個就是五年的計劃另外就是另外相關的就是有一些是資安的一些錢也是有增加"},{"start":6282.961,"end":6285.104,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6299.619,"end":6304.665,"text":"好,謝謝李董事長的說明,他的意思是我改為第57案,我改為3減300萬,然後要凍結10%提出面報告給我57案了喔57案,3減300萬,然後凍結10%提出面報告給我OK,好,那我們"},{"start":6314.978,"end":6317.919,"text":"第16到58案營業費用3減300萬元凍結10%提書面報告後時的凍資。接下來我們處理第59案。59案的部分是有溝通測案嗎?"},{"start":6341.323,"end":6343.564,"text":"第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會"},{"start":6381.616,"end":6388.281,"text":"第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會"},{"start":6396.08,"end":6414.733,"text":"第59案在這邊宣告就是第59案營業外費用的提案就是提案委員同意撤案接下來我們處理第60到67案固定資產建設改良擴充計劃預算數是108億2669萬3000元請問提案委員要不要提問那請問林國成委員"},{"start":6433.702,"end":6449.815,"text":"本席是提66案那66案我想本來我刪的是1億多那經過溝通以後了解也認為就著刪500萬那科目自行調整那其他的話就不動"},{"start":6453.149,"end":6475.319,"text":"六十六、六十七一併謝謝海貿委員想要提問林國成委員主席主席我那個六十七的部分是還要再刪六百萬那我本來是刪三千多但是這個經過溝通以後他們也同意"},{"start":6475.999,"end":6487.787,"text":"就是不適當的我一例的就把它那個三、六百萬那個都經過國通的其他我就沒有一些OK好那呃是不是就請港務公司這邊做說明"},{"start":6490.113,"end":6512.5,"text":"這個最主要是66萬我們現在那個新的旅營大樓我們人員大概有進駐到10個樓層那另外也在委外一個遠船已進駐到第10樓那其餘的4到7樓我們是配合高雄市政府來配合招商所以我們在訪問HTC、IBM還有鴻海合作是相關的"},{"start":6513.34,"end":6533.349,"text":"另外,比較屬於公共設施的部分就是群樓的部分那個我們都免稅張店由捧房那餐飲由誠意酒店來那個成租這個群樓的一些公共設施大概相關的都已經招租出去了那我們繼續再努力"},{"start":6534.741,"end":6538.803,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6552.662,"end":6571.366,"text":"我們如果沒有其他委員要想要再進一步提問我們就來做處理了啦吼那就是剛剛林國松也有一案主張要刪500然後第67案刪600那我們是不是我們也就建議著刪就整數1000萬啦好不好"},{"start":6574.548,"end":6580.53,"text":"第60至67項固定資產建設改良擴充計劃3減1000萬元科目自行調整"},{"start":6599.059,"end":6627.836,"text":"好,我遵照辦理。好,那我們接下來就處理第68到86案,局1案。好,我們第68案。遵照辦理。好,那照案通過。第69案。遵照辦理。好,照案通過。第70案。遵照辦理。好,照案通過。第71案。遵照辦理。好,照案通過。第72案。"},{"start":6629.391,"end":6643.703,"text":"有一些文字修正就是改書面專案報告改書面專案報告改書面有跟提案委員溝通過好那我們就照文字修正後通過那第73案專案辦理專案通過第74案"},{"start":6649.207,"end":6651.689,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6665.526,"end":6687.983,"text":"第75案 存照辦理 照案通過 第76案 文字修正 邱委員他有同意有文字修正 那我們就照這個文字修正後通過"},{"start":6690.689,"end":6700.692,"text":"第二、繼續審查117年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、繼續審查117年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、繼續審查117年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算：一、繼續審查117年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6714.397,"end":6722.373,"text":"這個文字修正要專案報告改成書面報告。好,那照文字修正後通過第81案。本案遵照辦理。"},{"start":6722.807,"end":6745.674,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6746.317,"end":6763.864,"text":"好,那針對臺灣港務公司114年度營業預算這個預算提案處理完畢好,休息五分鐘我們換場一下那我們接下來就是處理臺鐵公司"},{"start":6769.85,"end":6770.33,"text":"臺鐵跟臺鐵去撥入就結束了。"},{"start":6796.72,"end":6801.867,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6813.062,"end":6813.222,"text":"改進改進"},{"start":6843.975,"end":6845.376,"text":"市長市長市長市長"},{"start":6867.35,"end":6868.11,"text":"目前有什麼事?"},{"start":6895.763,"end":6903.95,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6915.38,"end":6931.131,"text":"我可能等一下找個地方打球,在臺北打個球啊休息一下沒有啦,我們好像沒人做完打啊沒關係,我跟董事長講過,就是講經濟發展,有關金融房屋的房屋,我不能講我懂,可是我感受到"},{"start":6938.536,"end":6942.537,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":6967.751,"end":6976.356,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算。"},{"start":6998.134,"end":7008.987,"text":"好那我們現在繼續開會我們接下來處理交通部國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司我們就是請就位我們就繼續來開會喔"},{"start":7012.489,"end":7028.615,"text":"好那我們現在處理交通部國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司114年度附屬單位預算那我們首先來處理第一到第七案營業收入的部分那這部分啊我們呃就是請這個提案委員有沒有要提問的呃猜其三委員嘿開始啊"},{"start":7041.089,"end":7066.582,"text":"好謝謝主席齁這個台鐵公司啊本席提了幾個案子啦齁那當然第一個案子主要還是因為台鐵公司啊這個新車啊陸續都開始投入營運啊公司台鐵也公司化那首年啊這個虧損啊這個120億嘛齁"},{"start":7071.229,"end":7096.658,"text":"那看起來明年從預算的展現上面看起來也不大妙,看起來也不大妙所以本席一直對台鐵從根本的問題公司化之後應該會有一個大的革新那相關的這些收入這個除了便當之外其他的看起來我都覺得不是太滿意"},{"start":7098.058,"end":7125.397,"text":"所以呢會進行第一個部分在於來這個勞務收入啊增列120萬其實是一個態度的表達啦增加120萬說實在話臺鐵齁這個腳趾頭動一動就可以增加了啦但是本席覺得在交通委員會裡面我的態度必須要清楚讓臺鐵公司知道這個臺鐵公司啊要怎麼樣能夠精進能夠"},{"start":7128.018,"end":7134.743,"text":"全體委員會第11屆第2會期交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算有限公司營業預算"},{"start":7157.523,"end":7182.21,"text":"那我要求在增加在租賃成本上面給予這個凍結甚至後面的人力或者安全其實都只是本席的一個態度的展現那怎麼樣決定本席會尊重主席的裁決但是我想我必須要利用一開始的時候先將本席對台鐵公司的態度在這裡做一個說明謝謝"},{"start":7183.902,"end":7213.094,"text":"好,謝謝蔡啟昌委員那針對營業收入的部分還有沒有委員要提問跟希望了解的如果沒有的話我們那李坤澤委員相關的一至七案我看也有勞務收入要增略或是客運收入編列或是貨運收入要增加啦那這部分請台鐵來做簡單的說明一下好不好"},{"start":7213.956,"end":7229.591,"text":"好,那請杜董事長說明一下,你們可以增加多少?好,是,那個謝謝趙偉根委員的提示那臺北公司其實在明年度我們的客戶收的預算我們已經"},{"start":7230.678,"end":7248.635,"text":"叫今年的預算我們已經增加5億多但是我們還是非常有企圖心的剛剛我也有提及包括我們新車投入我們預期在明年我們的運能還會繼續的提升當然我們相對我們也會把服務再做得更好"},{"start":7249.836,"end":7266.736,"text":"另外就是今年比較去年其實我們在公司元年的第一年其實我們在客運的部分我們也是有所提升的大概叫去年大概收入的部分叫去年就增加了差不多7%左右"},{"start":7270.14,"end":7290.451,"text":"這個尤其在我們11月到12月這個期間我們有更好的一個成長所以剛剛委員的這個提示我們公司會再竭盡全力來處理這個要更努力了那個報告召委我看我們就更具體了那"},{"start":7292.533,"end":7316.895,"text":"我是建議有關於勞務收入、客運收入、貨運收入我們增列一千萬增列一千萬這表示對臺鐵的期許跟壓力那我建議美語凍結這三個部分以上好謝謝李昆哲委員的建議那其他營業收入的部分呢還是要全部一併出好那個林國成委員"},{"start":7319.364,"end":7337.428,"text":"本席提兩個案第二案跟第三案第二案的部分我同意我們崑澤委員要針對本來我是想說針對一億經過溝通說明以後我還是贊成說一千萬到兩千萬因為我看"},{"start":7345.709,"end":7366.76,"text":"我為了台鐵我去做了好幾次的台鐵我從來不做台鐵的那確確實實是有所改變啦有所改變所以這個業績應該可以再提升啦可以再提升第一個我很在乎的就是衛生跟準時的問題他們都有改進"},{"start":7367.94,"end":7391.365,"text":"做過以後確確實實大家是有所感觸改為國營公司化我是認為這個應該要提升一點所以在一千萬到兩千萬另外就是第三案的部分我也希望也把它針對一下因為我在看營業收入的部分"},{"start":7392.406,"end":7421.552,"text":"也就是我看最近的報表啊業績一直成長所以我在這裡建議啊就是還是要增累啊這個多增加五千萬左右好不好好謝謝林國成委員那五千萬可以嗎臺鐵公司可以啦那我們就來處理啦好不好那個報告早有五千萬我們來就是合併啦就是一併包括營業收入"},{"start":7422.832,"end":7447.904,"text":"自行調整客戶預算我們就是併案處理第一到七案就是營業收入的部分包括勞務收入還有其他營業收入我們就是增列五千萬元然後科目自行調整我們接下來處理第八到十七案服務費用預算數是六十三億七千零六十六萬九千元鄰居縣委員"},{"start":7448.769,"end":7470.161,"text":"好 謝謝感謝主席本期題第10案是我們的服務費用旅運費明年編的9571萬那裡面有很多的項目其中包括剛剛有提到臺鐵我們賣便當的那些人力這一點我要特別提醒臺鐵因為便當賣便當對臺鐵非常重要臺鐵一年賣了920萬個便當"},{"start":7476.841,"end":7502.541,"text":"其實是被火車耽誤的便當店一年可以收入7億5千萬臺鐵掛牌一年來虧損比去年多今年大概會虧120億吧那只有便當店還能夠成長但是很多旅客跟我反映因為我們賣便當的都是一些工時的人員有的態度都很不好不要忘記便當是臺鐵的命脈"},{"start":7505.279,"end":7532.865,"text":"你那個你那個服務態度真的要改善因為我也已經買過了我已經買過了另外你在這個零費向下還有一個出國那有一個是跟日本交流那這個推了很多年就是台日友好票券交流活動就互相可以換火車票了我們去日本可以換日本火車票日本人來我們這裡可以換台鐵的火車票開通第一年"},{"start":7534.338,"end":7543.627,"text":"日本人來臺灣只換5張那臺灣人去日本換了742張那今年啊日本人來這裡換了573張換了17張啊臺灣人去那邊換了570幾張所以可見了這個績效很不好啦日本人來臺灣搭乘台鐵意願不佳或者是不知道"},{"start":7555.879,"end":7585.122,"text":"那你既然把這一點列為你推廣的項目那你就應該要有一個考核嘛所以你這樣花這筆錢有用嗎?所以本席啊我有提三檢啦和凍結啦吼因為旅運費那你自己挪啦旅運費9571萬三五百萬凍結十分之一然後三個月內提報告好謝謝好謝謝林旭憲委員接下來還有沒有委員要提問李坤澤委員沒有"},{"start":7587.246,"end":7592.638,"text":"剛才已經有做初步的說明那我們就請杜董事長這邊說明"},{"start":7595.491,"end":7617.186,"text":"謝謝委員的提點的確我們的便當業務在公司元年是有成長預計今年可以達到7.5億可是其實我們的本業在今年也是有成長成長幅度也差不多是7%這個是我們尤其需要更努力的地方"},{"start":7618.548,"end":7634.422,"text":"剛剛委員有提及有關於便當的販售包括製作這個人力我們會來改善來補足因為這個人力補上來以後這個服務態度我們會特別注意"},{"start":7635.203,"end":7659.265,"text":"另外第二部分就是出國票券交換其實在臺鐵局時代是行之有年但是我們在臺鐵局時代可能我們負責任的單位可能積極度不夠那我們改公司以後我舉例像明年我們跟西武鐵道我們10週年那我們就會有新的票券交換的一個做法"},{"start":7659.705,"end":7669.464,"text":"我們希望能夠平衡讓那邊過來的客人也可以享受到我們臺鐵這邊的優惠的一個票券那我們明年會積極來推動"},{"start":7672.741,"end":7698.455,"text":"好謝謝那我們接下來邀請林國成委員發言再繼續請林俊賢委員好那個主席因為我本席提第9案跟第17案我還是第9案啦就小三一下好不好那我那個對啦小三一下啦齁那第17案我要特別跟杜董事長因為我要求你們補資料"},{"start":7700.556,"end":7725.852,"text":"你們也不補資料所以我建議3減800萬因為叫你們補資料我可以用凍結的方式你們也不補資料 我也覺得說現在是被爆辦刪掉太久了還是要全數刪除為什麼不補資料 可以說明一下嗎好 我們等一下統一說明那繼續鄰居縣委員"},{"start":7728.662,"end":7755.704,"text":"謝謝主席,不是要提第16案,一樣是在我們專業服務費裡面,它有一個向下是保險和保全費用現在大家都注意到,特別關注到車站還有車廂的安全問題那台鐵為了提升這個安全,我們都有花錢提升保險和保全結果今年的8月,大林車站我們有一位台鐵的女性站務員遭到乘客的攻擊"},{"start":7757.441,"end":7780.814,"text":"同樣在8月有民眾闖入軌道區堆疊石頭堆石頭大概需要一些時間結果堆完石頭也沒有被人發現造成泰魯格奧撞上這個石頭堆使班次當然一定會塞車影響到後續的乘客權益因為九月羅東站也有站務員受到旅客攻擊"},{"start":7782.597,"end":7808.698,"text":"所以看起來我們車站保全能力到底它執行績效我是很質疑我認為要維護我們站務員甚至乘客的安全同時也沒有辦法有效攔阻民眾入侵軌道那這一點我認為這嚴重影響到安全性所以北京提凍結十分之一在提台鐵真的這一點提出報告來謝謝好謝謝林俊憲委員接下來邀請李坤澤委員"},{"start":7809.398,"end":7816.78,"text":"我針對第12案來提出一個簡單的詢問這個專業服務費是編列了5億7965萬元那其實看起來是比113年度預算增加了4477萬元"},{"start":7827.014,"end":7848.096,"text":"那這個部分我本來是認為這應該臺鐵目前的營運狀況還是虧損的狀態我認為應該要更加的尊潔相關的支出那後來我了解這個相關的費用當然是包括隧道、邊坡、橋樑以及其他基礎設施的巡檢等等"},{"start":7848.917,"end":7873.216,"text":"那我看了一下預算也更清楚說應該是這個預算主要增加的原因是因為花蓮的金屋段他的這些土壤以及地下水污染的這些整治的場子還有土壤及地下水污染整治的工作等等那增加預算是不是這個主要原因請台鐵說明一下我是可以同意不予刪減以上"},{"start":7874.875,"end":7890.352,"text":"好,謝謝李昆哲委員。好,那針對以上幾位委員的提問,請杜董事長回覆。好,謝謝各位委員。那首先是那個剛剛我們林俊賢委員,啊,林俊賢委員等一下最後我們請我們同仁來說明。"},{"start":7892.453,"end":7916.366,"text":"這個林俊憲委員關心的就是有關於我們在路線上的維安以及我們在車站我們同仁執勤的這個其實我們在今年我們針對這兩個部分我們都有在公司內部進行研究那分兩個部分這車上服勤的人員我們明年開始我們會研議來增加他們的安全配備"},{"start":7918.087,"end":7931.199,"text":"車站的部分因為車站是比較廣域的所以我們會我們已經演繹了就是要增強車站跟我們保全還有入境的聯繫以及我們車站的監控設備的連線這個很重要"},{"start":7935.363,"end":7964.05,"text":"但是這些都是剛剛講的都是在我們這個科目向下專業服務費所以我們這個會提書面我們會詳細的來做一個說明剛剛那個李君哲李委員提示的其實在專業服務費向下還有一個很重要的就是橋樑邊坡的巡檢橋樑邊坡巡檢因為現在我們包括供電人力我們目前還是"},{"start":7965.251,"end":7982.887,"text":"就是在改善中那在改善之前呢這些具有專業性的巡檢的工作我們也是用專業服務費向下好 這個可以啦我覺得這個很重要那我就同意不予刪檢以上好 謝謝那個林國成委員的那個"},{"start":7987.522,"end":8005.112,"text":"有關那個林委員所指教的是有關我們那個推展費的部分那因為我們這個推展費的部分大部分就用在廣告刊登跟活動宣傳跟業務聯繫所需的這個費用啦那所以這部分有邊有這兩百多萬以上報告"},{"start":8006.578,"end":8025.778,"text":"好謝謝說明齁那林國成委員這邊我補充報告一下齁那個林國成委員剛剛要的資料我們會趕快提供齁不過為什麼為什麼沒有是是是好好"},{"start":8032.355,"end":8043.243,"text":"好,那這個委員的要求你們應該會前都要做好資料的提供跟溝通。抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉抱歉"},{"start":8054.392,"end":8079.198,"text":"因為他有案者幫他說明一下就是在第11案國外禮費的部分因為我們大部分都是到日本去嘛那日本其實這幾年的幣值都貶得還蠻兇的啦那但是我們的支出好像並沒有相對應的因為台幣對日幣的升值而有所減少啦那當然盧委員是希望我們台的公司能夠做個檢討"},{"start":8080.638,"end":8096.509,"text":"另外第13案的專業服務費就是從1、2、3、1、4到當然1、1、3今年的政府是最大的3、1、4變5、1、3到明年度的5、1、8左右都政府是還滿"},{"start":8098.206,"end":8104.272,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":8118.314,"end":8135.892,"text":"那與民眾之間的一些糾紛如果說全部都是用輕鬆來解決的話可能也不是一個最好的方式但是我們的出動的費用卻漲幅達到了20多%那希望這部分也能夠做一些檢討這以上是我們陸委員的意見這樣子"},{"start":8136.8,"end":8160.923,"text":"好謝謝那針對亮仙翔委員的提問那我們請董事長這邊說明好謝謝好謝謝委員那個首先是我們專業服務的法律事務費的部分其實我們並不是說跟民眾的案件有增加我們主要是因為我們在資產運用還有我們公司其他一些這個對外有行政接觸的這些業務那所以才會有這個"},{"start":8161.885,"end":8168.246,"text":"提升的這個增加的需求這個我們沒有說特別有針對民眾的部分"},{"start":8169.11,"end":8195.69,"text":"那另外就是剛剛就是盧委員這邊有提到的像那個出國費用出國費用其實日本雖然現在幣值減少但是他在這個交通跟這個住宿的部分其實並沒有並沒有減少實質上出去的可能購物會有一點影響但我們出去考察我們也不是以購物為目的所以這個部分還是懇請能夠給我們維持"},{"start":8199.053,"end":8199.206,"text":"政府總預算案附屬單位預算。"},{"start":8201.566,"end":8202.907,"text":"第8到17案服務費用的部分"},{"start":8231.306,"end":8236.368,"text":"第11屆第2會期交通部主管臺灣公司營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣公司"},{"start":8253.717,"end":8254.918,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":8275.146,"end":8301.405,"text":"好謝謝謝謝好謝謝那我們接下來處理第18案第18案的部分這個保障勞工工作安全與健康降低職業災害勞工健檢費勞安配備及教育經費等那我們預算數是8916萬4千元那我們請提案委員黃建豪委員好謝謝昭偉這這個部分我跟大家提跟大家"},{"start":8302.83,"end":8323.756,"text":"講一下就是昨天他們也有來說明但是昨天說明的過程還是不太能夠接受就是說其實這件事情是這樣過去臺鐵轉任這個轉公司之前本來就有所謂的指安的人員那當初的條件都是希望說具有什麼護理師或是證書或者是這個勞工健康服務合格證書等等的是有這個條件的"},{"start":8325.096,"end":8350.677,"text":"現在公司化之後本來這些職安人員從以前的這個制度現在轉到公司化之後他們的職級被降到就直接他們說臺北公司說是平轉轉到11屆但是如果轉到11屆的話按照臺北公司化之後的11屆的人員他只需要這個高中職以上的學校畢業證書等等的條件就可以了所以說其實對這些職安人員來講的話"},{"start":8353.356,"end":8355.537,"text":"立法院第11屆第2會期交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":8370.981,"end":8371.781,"text":"事由：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":8395.333,"end":8414.76,"text":"那這樣就不公平了那我一開始我本來進公司我進台鐵的時候我的我的條件是具備相關的這個專業性的那我現在進來之後我變成公司化之後我變成11屆我等於不需要專業我也可以在11屆那我那個我那個證照的意義在哪裡那同時他平轉過來之後現在11屆了但他11屆他還是要提供這些證書給你們去讓勞動勞動部去備查嗎"},{"start":8418.982,"end":8446.949,"text":"那其實這個等於你的這個職位是有問題的啊就是說你本來就有相關資格但評審過來之後反而他的待遇更差那你們同時又招考新的進來是9階的但是也要去變相關的職能那為什麼不用原來這批人呢好這也是我提出的相關動機希望你們提出一些檢討去對這些也有所交代不然說我本來已經辛辛苦苦的考上了結果你公司化之後反而我的待遇變差了而且並不是你沒需求哦你有需求哦所以你還招考新的"},{"start":8447.509,"end":8463.121,"text":"新的八階九階都是需要具備相關的職階這相關的職能才能到八階九階那你本來就一批人就有這些職能啦所以我覺得這是一個需要檢討的部分以上謝謝謝謝黃建豪委員黃建豪委員的主張蠻合理的啦是不是請杜董事長這邊說明一下"},{"start":8463.881,"end":8484.274,"text":"阿哥委員報告的確這個就是我們原來在臺鐵局任職但是他有執照那他擔任的工作在他要轉化為我們新的從業人員在轉換的過程中他只能轉到11屆了那這個部分我們會研議因為他有證照所以說他平行轉換到11屆以後怎麼樣能夠"},{"start":8487.682,"end":8490.408,"text":"再給他提升到89階的這個位階哈這個我們會回去會趕快來檢討然後我們也會提出這個書面報告"},{"start":8498.319,"end":8499.639,"text":"我們請提案委員林國成委員"},{"start":8528.166,"end":8529.367,"text":"二十一案三、三百萬二十六案改組結議"},{"start":8557.557,"end":8570.97,"text":"二十八案三兩百萬二十九案改為主決議三十案就尊重主席去做凍結之動作三十一案改主決議三十四案"},{"start":8572.831,"end":8594.662,"text":"三、五百萬三十五萬改為主結議那三十六萬的部分因為金額很大所以改為兩千萬所以以上做說明跟報告看公司這裡如何去解釋好謝謝林國成委員那我們還有沒有提案委員要提問的林俊憲委員謝謝"},{"start":8604.281,"end":8632.57,"text":"好謝謝主席本就提第33案這個也是民眾反映應該給臺鐵做個參考臺鐵的基屋維護費用裡面像這個包裝代理交通費這裡有編5億錢多其中有一個外包這筆錢99%都是外包例如其中有各型車輛的座椅部的整修還有我們車輛客車動力車的清潔洗車費用等等勞務外包"},{"start":8633.837,"end":8649.934,"text":"第一個有很多離合反應就台鐵區間車的座椅大家購併那個椅墊都也都變成白色的不管你原來的椅墊是不是藍色、紅色反正到最後都變白色的甚至有換黃或者是明顯的汙垢"},{"start":8652.022,"end":8670.213,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":8671.125,"end":8692.614,"text":"臺鐵一年的廁所清潔會員大家都編4億多嘛對不對4億5千萬各位想這筆錢幾乎全是外包那臺鐵的工作評比一直都很差那你既然是外包的錢那就應該要要求外包商這個我不知道有沒有做後續的績效的追蹤"},{"start":8694.736,"end":8695.917,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":8711.519,"end":8711.819,"text":"李坤哲委員"},{"start":8737.06,"end":8762.916,"text":"好 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後提出書面後使得動之這樣好不好科目自行調整這個不是多少的問題那個那個因為剛剛很多委員都有建議啦因為這個真是一個公司營運的心臟啦因為不管是這個國營的或者是一般公司的營運營業費用"},{"start":9775.782,"end":9782.807,"text":"我們給他們機會啦因為他們也剛公司化剛公司化公司元年我們這個第一年我們小山1000啦"},{"start":9793.853,"end":9818.472,"text":"剛剛我們李崑澤有做一個補充啦因為我們的站齁不是不是所有的車站齁有大大小小一等站二等站齁還有張呼站等等齁這個需要維護的費用跟營運的費用真的蠻高的啦所以我們是不是就是好啦那就一千五好啦那就一千五好不好"},{"start":9821.912,"end":9843.4,"text":"是是,我們好好來做,我們好好來做是,那我們就這個營業費用的部分,我們決議就是營業成本,營業成本我們就是主要刪1500萬元,然後凍結10%,然後提出書面後,使得凍支,然後科目自行調整"},{"start":9847.739,"end":9849.423,"text":"凍結1億凍結1億就好了再修正修正以下我們營業成本有有"},{"start":9857.382,"end":9876.334,"text":"我們營業成本第19到41案營業成本的部分我們灼山1500萬元然後凍結1億元然後提出書面後使得動之然後科目自行調整好謝謝委員那主決議的部分我再宣告一下就第20案26案29案31案35案改組決議謝謝"},{"start":9901.595,"end":9907.557,"text":"維園提案改為主決議後,提案內容均改為向立法院交通委員會提出書面報告。"},{"start":9910.114,"end":9915.499,"text":"好,那我們現在接下來處理第42到69案營業費用好,那這部分預算數是21億5153萬4千元那我們提案委員徐富魁委員謝謝"},{"start":9926.721,"end":9952.926,"text":"謝謝昭偉我提出了第43到47案那43案的部分是針對臺鐵公司在太魯閣事故之後這個沿線的林軌工程跟高風險路段偵測安全防護措施的這部分本席是認為還做得不夠那尤其今年經歷凱米颱風還有山陀爾颱風也造成我們一些沿線的多處的山坡受損"},{"start":9954.206,"end":9964.016,"text":"顯見我們臺鐵公司對於鐵道周邊的一個潛勢危險的邊波盤點跟防護措施還是有不夠的地方所以我提案凍結營業費用5000萬那44案的部分是針對臺鐵公司自110年到113年截至7月份"},{"start":9972.404,"end":9995.313,"text":"有一部分的安全績效的指標沒有達成目標然後造成一些行車異常的事故那尤其今年的一到七月因為地震跟土石流造成的一個列車的一個異常事故也有三項指標沒有達成目標請見對於這個運輸安全的部分急需要檢討改善所以一樣提案凍結營業預算五千萬"},{"start":9998.374,"end":10024.703,"text":"45萬的部分是針對我想我們還是要幫我們臺鐵的員工請命我們在這個今年一月元旦這個公司化之後公司內部的缺工還有低薪的問題還沒有解決尤其是我們的同仁針對夜點的夜班的津貼還有危險津貼跟其他的職業相比能有明顯低於行情的一個現象那我想包含本席跟很多委員在委員會也多次提出"},{"start":10026.304,"end":10038.317,"text":"臺鐵部分目前也還沒有一個具體的一個措施一個說明那我想臺鐵如果不針對這樣一個津貼過低的問題提出改善很難留住人才所以一樣提案凍結營業費用5000萬"},{"start":10041.841,"end":10067.803,"text":"46萬的部分針對今年一到八月這個臺鐵的準點率雖然有已經降到我們的93%雖然有因為受到地震颱風的影響但是我想我們設定的目標今年是97%明年97.5%仍有一定的落差那為了持續提升我們有效的一個準點率我們也要求臺鐵公司提出相關的對策"},{"start":10068.523,"end":10081.929,"text":"這個案子我一樣提案凍結營業費用5000萬47案的部分臺鐵的招募人力的部分還有一個實際上明顯的落差今年原本預計招募936人"},{"start":10083.81,"end":10109.557,"text":"實際上錄取756人但是報到只有672人人員缺額高達264人那這樣的一個缺額狀況我想對原有的一些我們的員工的這個勞力的這個勞役不均的問題甚至工時過長的問題都形成很大的負擔也造成一個行車安全的一個危險那我們要求臺鐵在公司化之後應該有效檢討這個人力資源的運用"},{"start":10110.257,"end":10137.068,"text":"那怎麼樣提升有效的一個薪資結構造成一個誘因讓更多的年輕人願意來加入我們臺鐵的行列那我這個案是一樣提案凍結營業費用5000萬那請臺鐵公司提出相關的書面報告使得動之以上說明好謝謝徐副委員那接下來的發言順序我先宣告一下那就是廖先祥委員黃建豪委員林國成委員好謝謝那接下來我們邀請廖先祥委員"},{"start":10137.779,"end":10142.122,"text":"第五十案專業服務費裡面有電腦軟體的一些費用是針對這個部分有比較多的意見其實整體預算在今年編的預算是9900多萬"},{"start":10155.611,"end":10180.911,"text":"在前年也就是112年的決算12年的決算是5300大概5300那今年截至目前為止到11月底比12年的決算數還低只有4300那結果明年卻要編超過我們的他們可能今年執行的費用的一倍超過一倍從目前"},{"start":10182.112,"end":10206.91,"text":"執行4300到明年9900的1億那這個落差有點太大了那因此我當然台鐵有來做說明那有請他們提供一些資料他們說明年有一個軟體服務費用好幾個軟體服務費用大概1800多萬就算這1800多萬加上今年已執行的4300大概也才6000多萬的一個規模而已但是卻變到9000多萬那因此我才會提出一個3500萬的一個刪除動議以上"},{"start":10211.8,"end":10212.68,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":10230.83,"end":10257.667,"text":"一兩個月前當然有宣布說這個基層員工也會加薪從大概最基本的11屆從3萬3左右加到3萬6那其實大家可以很清楚看到3萬3到3萬6基本上就調薪10%左右那這會有相對剝落感的問題啦就如果今天我這樣講了如果今天是董事長加薪10%基層員工加薪40%我想今天就沒什麼要討論的但是因為董事長你加薪就董事長管理層加薪的40%但基層員工的薪資"},{"start":10261.13,"end":10261.71,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":10290.469,"end":10291.87,"text":"事由：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":10306.301,"end":10307.422,"text":"公司營業預算有限公司營業預算有限公司營業預算"},{"start":10327.62,"end":10353.638,"text":"就是希望能夠第一個能夠節省政府的成本但同時提升營運績效那提升營運績效還沒有做出來之前就先幫管理層加薪那員工才加10%這件事情我覺得這個真的對立法院來講我覺得說不過去所以我才提這個凍結案我希望說你們能夠提出一些薪資結構的改善方案在預算沒有在重大變動情況下面你的薪資結構怎麼調整應該去做一個說明以上這是提出的凍結案以上說明謝謝"},{"start":10354.198,"end":10381.205,"text":"好謝謝黃建豪委員接下來要請林國成委員然後介旭財、邱若驊委員謝謝好謝謝因為本期提五十四案這個五十四案這個管理費用這個就當然跟車票漲價是有關係的所以我比較在乎的這我本來是主張三減一億但是我在想說改變就三減八百萬"},{"start":10382.125,"end":10391.946,"text":"然後另外一個我蠻堅持的因為票價如果要漲價的時候一定要提專案報告所以以上跟各位說明"},{"start":10393.083,"end":10394.004,"text":"臺北公司114年度預算編列營業收入351億7867萬,營業成本407億6893萬,營業費用21億5153萬。"},{"start":10413.982,"end":10420.904,"text":"一頁的損失是77億4179萬有提到本期淨損是86億8970萬較113年度的預算案淨損增加11億9743萬加薪本來就是為了要表現良好的員工臺鐵近年來營業狀況不佳虧損連連高階管理階層反而加薪40%這樣的做法"},{"start":10444.009,"end":10462.139,"text":"會增加財政支出也會打擊基層員工的士氣然後引發社會觀感不佳那臺鐵也在虧損流言的情況下董建士更因他們的報酬更應該是要來做專節那本期原本是提三檢那這邊先做56案動50%57案動20%然後臺鐵也要提供營運改善的專報以上謝謝"},{"start":10471.644,"end":10499.332,"text":"好,謝謝邱立法委員那針對以上幾位委員的提問請杜董事長這邊說明好,謝謝趙偉根各位委員先講就照順序來,照順序來那個許委員的許委員提到的這個我們有關於營業費用的這些用途以及他的這個對我們的期待其實這個我們公司都有在進行"},{"start":10500.572,"end":10518.025,"text":"那其中有關於這個準點率準點率其實我們如果扣除今年天災的因素來看的話其實我們是還算是有在標準之上那我們預期明年我們這個準點率要到97.5這個目標不變那我們會努力來進行"},{"start":10522.708,"end":10537.254,"text":"那相關的我們的這些做法我想如果有這個書面報告的話我們會列在報告裡面詳細來做說明另外就是有關於這個員工的這個夜點費還有這個危險津貼"},{"start":10540.555,"end":10541.015,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度"},{"start":10570.555,"end":10574.156,"text":"第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會"},{"start":10595.583,"end":10610.713,"text":"實際入企756報到672這個部分其實我們改制公司以後我們是有比較彈性因為我們除了入企的人員以外我們另外還有就是我們的備取人員"},{"start":10611.593,"end":10636.371,"text":"那這個被取人員在入企人員沒有報到或者是他在試用期間不堪用或者有新的職訣跑出來的時候我們公司的章程是給予我們說被取人員可以通知他來遞補所以實務上結合先前我們在112年年尾我們就已經開始在努力來補充人力"},{"start":10637.131,"end":10656.989,"text":"那所以目前我們的人力大概缺走掉1500多人大概也補了近1600人那但是這個不夠這個我承認這個公司在人力的部分還要再強化所以我們現在已經公告我們另外在今年"},{"start":10657.929,"end":10681.029,"text":"公告還要再招募第二批的從業人員。這個招募的過程我們會特別注意就是前面第一次招募有一些限制或者是說招募的期間太短了不長這個我們都有改正回來我們希望在第二次招募能夠把先前的情況做一個更有效的改善"},{"start":10683.175,"end":10702.044,"text":"再過來就是廖宣祥委員提的第50案第50案主要是講說我們的這個調查研究調查費這個我要報告一下因為公司公司化以後公司進程裡面我們的規劃我們的智慧化是很重要的一塊"},{"start":10703.264,"end":10719.344,"text":"自衛化裏面包括有我們有很多系統要AI而且我們各個分散的子系統我們公司要趕快的建一個我們資訊平臺這個資訊平臺還要能夠跟我們交通部這個上面的那個資訊群來做連結"},{"start":10721.667,"end":10741.19,"text":"所以這一塊的確我們需要這個研究費以及這個相關的軟硬體的這個服務費這是比較多那另外還有就是其實剛剛有提到就是我們在一般設備包括我們月台還有評價到我們那個保錦保全"},{"start":10742.411,"end":10766.488,"text":"這個我們也檢討因為剛剛也有委員提及吧就是我們現場工作的這個我們場域的一個安全性對旅客對員工都很重要那這個部分我們整體改善計畫裡面的我們也有納進來那所以這個這個部分的真的要懇請各位委員那個不要給我們盡量盡量不要給我們檢列"},{"start":10768.79,"end":10780.362,"text":"再過來就是剛剛林國成委員講到的票價調整現在票價調整我們還在研議我們預期在"},{"start":10784.336,"end":10796.873,"text":"今年春節後我們馬上就會送董事會來做討論那董事會通過以後我們會提報給這個交通部好的預算這個委員會審查委員會來做一個審核"},{"start":10799.096,"end":10814.088,"text":"那這邊來講這個要請示那個各位就是說如果說因為我們這個票價合理化是這樣票價合理化主要的依循還是立法院"},{"start":10815.028,"end":10842.577,"text":"已經通過的計算公司而且我們在這個計算公司底下我們公司在現在擬定的過程中已經做了很多的調整比如說要顧及我們常客要顧及中長途旅客要顧及特殊性的旅客我們有非常多的調整那這個調整其實都是等於說帳幅沒有那麼高"},{"start":10843.657,"end":10859.745,"text":"政府沒有這麼高當然這個細節現在正在很積極的在籌劃所以在這邊還是懇請是不是我們這個我們的這個票價調整的這個還是照程序送到那個我們"},{"start":10860.485,"end":10876.175,"text":"交通部的審議委員會來處理就好至於這個裡面的內容我想我們一定會很妥善的很積極很公開的向外界就訂案以後向外界來做一個說明"},{"start":10877.336,"end":10898.271,"text":"那再過來就是包括邱若驊委員跟剛剛這個林佩祥委員他們的提案王俊豪委員抱歉王俊豪委員那個提案的就是有關那我在這邊我真的還是要再鄭重的我要說明一次"},{"start":10899.472,"end":10924.911,"text":"我領薪水是依據我們國營事業賦予主管的一個領薪的一個規定這個就跟我現在我們公司上上下下我們留任人員是依照條例的保障我們從業人員是依據要點的規定是一致的並不是說我有什麼加薪的企圖沒有這個我要澄清一下"},{"start":10926.273,"end":10953.755,"text":"當然因為公司在體制上面我們就的確是受到我們整個用人費率框架的約束也是一個管理所以說在這個部分我們要怎麼樣能夠來再增加我們的營業收入"},{"start":10955.796,"end":10983.955,"text":"讓我們整個的人事費用可以有所增加然後惠及我們全體員工這個是我們未來要非常努力的在這裡我還是懇請各位尤其是我們董監這個是不是凍結讓我們能提書面來說明這個是懇請各位委員是不是能考慮用這個方式以上"},{"start":10984.844,"end":11002.622,"text":"謝謝杜董事長的說明,那我再請教一下因為剛剛我們廖縣小委員他針對這個業務費用服務費用專業服務費他是指引說我們資金率低嘛,然後你的費用又增加,就是預算數增加,那你們是有新增的業務項目嗎?工作項目嗎?"},{"start":11005.704,"end":11033.734,"text":"說明一下因為我們臺鐵公司我們數位發展處是新成立的單位那我們現在也在推數位轉型所以我們現在很多建制的這個告檢系統啊自動偵測後續都要做一些專業的一個數位系統的維護所以經費會較以往年度會逐步增加就是有新增的工作項目所以也跟那個委員做一個報告懇請這一項能夠讓我們數位轉型可以推動的更順利一點謝謝"},{"start":11034.474,"end":11039.676,"text":"臺鐵公司之前也有提出給我說他們明年度要增加的哪一些採購案也都給我了那就是接近2000萬"},{"start":11053.86,"end":11076.153,"text":"但就是說從今年的差不多決算數再加上兩千萬那也就六千多萬而已你還是有三千多萬你講不出來你要做什麼事情啊你要做什麼事情我們當然數位化智慧化我們都支持嘛但是你講不出來你在執行率低的情況下然後又要增加這麼多然後你講不出來你要多做什麼那這就會讓人家有所質疑啊"},{"start":11078.327,"end":11090.924,"text":"這個部分我也同意廖千祥委員的看法啦。你要檢查三千幾萬是要檢查什麼?你自己都講不清楚人家要怎麼給你預算。到底是什麼項目要增加到3500萬?可以再補充說明嗎?"},{"start":11098.533,"end":11099.134,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":11120.667,"end":11128.455,"text":"報告委員我們這個增加的部分包括說我們整個臺鐵公司的治安驗證的這個場域跟系統的擴張那以及我們這些治安檢測會針對我們未來要這個因應臺鐵這個數位轉型的這個"},{"start":11142.509,"end":11157.179,"text":"系統推動會增加一些資訊系統需要去做治安的檢測作業因為這個要做的項目都有跟系統的數量都有增加所以才會有這個增加費用的情形"},{"start":11159.704,"end":11160.985,"text":"李崑澤委員有要再建議"},{"start":11188.093,"end":11216.53,"text":"這個廖委員的提案也應該給台鐵一個警惕當然我們在相關的預算的項目的說明欄沒有辦法讓你們說明的非常具體而清楚但是像相關的這種資安的擴充相關的設備軟體的提升等等也包含相關安全的訊號車輛的運轉安全的這樣的一個重要的數位的這些"},{"start":11217.61,"end":11245.218,"text":"處理當然都是很重要的費用但是你們必須要說明清楚必須要具體清楚的說明這是三千五不是三十五這個關係到臺鐵整體的這種車輛運行的安全而且現在都是數位化資訊化相關的安全訊號等等你們連這個都說明不清楚錢怎麼要怎麼給你們"},{"start":11248.066,"end":11251.249,"text":"臺鐵能夠在整個行車控制的安全系統裡面能夠智慧化、數位化這也是必須要做的必備的一個方向"},{"start":11266.886,"end":11285.638,"text":"那同時在做這件事的時候資安是非常重要的尤其呢這個資安的防護措施還有包括剛剛提到的驗證這個都是在我們現在所謂的這個資安就是國安的這個大方向上大家都會支持台鐵去做這樣子的一個"},{"start":11286.698,"end":11314.401,"text":"基金、數位化、科技化、智慧化但是呢就如同其他委員在說的我們剛剛聽到你們在說的針對你們要這個資安的檢測、資安的驗證還有這一筆新興的計畫裡面這個智慧行控中心或者是智慧行控系統包括整個邊坡安全跟等等大家要求的這個安全的一個檢測的一個智慧化系統的一個"},{"start":11315.262,"end":11329.514,"text":"整合跟建置這個我們現在還看不到臺鐵能夠做完整的說明就是說你們要怎麼建置說服委員們可以來支持這第一個因為這個我當然知道這很專業但是就算專業"},{"start":11330.755,"end":11332.376,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":11348.988,"end":11376.268,"text":"董事長不知道還記不記得我們呢重視治安沒錯我們現在要推動各項的行車安全包括邊坡檢測甚至之前邊坡以上的道路東西掉下來影響了我們鐵路的行車安全上面那個區塊是並沒有建置一個監測系統後來我們承諾現在也要追加要監測系統要建置但是問題是"},{"start":11378.555,"end":11380.605,"text":"這幾個監測系統的建制到底有沒有整合?"},{"start":11383.21,"end":11407.492,"text":"有沒有整合如果你告訴我今天這筆錢就是要來整合你講的夠清楚我們全力支持但是問題是從提預算案到現在我們沒有看到臺鐵有詳細的說明所以才會有那麼多委員有意見我是願意再請臺鐵再講清楚一點如果是我們當然全力支持這個預算好不好"},{"start":11408.237,"end":11431.434,"text":"好那台鐵這邊可以再做一下說明嗎?跟委員們報告建議要報告就我們現在台鐵配合數位轉型正在做智慧鐵道雲平台叫台鐵雲平台那剛才委員有提到說我們的落實告警系統、平交道告警系統還有我們的漂汙系統我們底下現在有15個主要的子系統都會透過我們的智慧雲平台做連結"},{"start":11432.535,"end":11450.262,"text":"那所以為什麼數位資訊的這個資安的防護驗證還有這個服務費用會增加主要就是因為我們透過這個智慧化跟資訊化數位化的過程需要把這個系統跨系統的資訊整合我今天可能是細項沒有寫得很清楚啦"},{"start":11450.742,"end":11472.415,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":11472.835,"end":11496.952,"text":"對於雲平臺未來的輔助資訊也會在我們的行控中心裡面做呈現就在行車控制的過程中我們也可以看到各項資訊在這個平臺上做一個整合可以有效的提供提高我們的安全防護但是這個過程中要補充一點就是說資訊整合過程中也碰到治安的問題所以我們治安的驗證還有這些防護措施的相關的這個費用"},{"start":11498.273,"end":11515.049,"text":"設備也都會做一個增加。謝謝說明剛剛很多委員的意見都非常的寶貴目的也是希望就是督促我們臺鐵公司能夠做得更好提供更好的一個服務那我想經過這樣子的一個溝通我們就來做一個處理有關營業費用的部分因為有委員有主張刪減預算的提案那因為委員也有"},{"start":11525.678,"end":11528.54,"text":"政府總預算案附屬單位預算部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":11554.58,"end":11572.002,"text":"我們昨三一千萬啦,然後動反一致時好不好?我們昨三一千萬就依照召委的一個指示,就是提議啦。好不好,好啦。沒關係,召委講得我尊重,但是我希望就是你們之後提的結論報告"},{"start":11573.643,"end":11601.862,"text":"則針對我講的這三千五百萬這一項你們能夠很明確就是我們當然會有一些說明你說要做什麼其實你們這些說明對一億的預算可以這樣說明對十億的預算也可以這樣說明你對一百億的預算都是可以一樣這樣子說明那既然是在討論數字我希望你們能夠很明確的把你們要支出的項目跟預計支出的項目能夠明確的表列出來項目跟金額再來申請解凍而不是說你要做什麼那那那一點意義都沒有以上好謝謝那我們就來決議了"},{"start":11603.743,"end":11627.043,"text":"我跟你講現在三的金額我沒有意見但是我蠻堅持的你票價要漲價以後你一定要專案報告這個是對立法院一個負責你不要走你們的董事會完了交通部核准你們核完以後你們就去宣布這個一定要專案報告我蠻堅持這個部分要專案報告真的"},{"start":11627.643,"end":11645.236,"text":"你專案報告我們也知道我還是建議你們啊在董事會通過以後就來報告報告以後啊反而是對這件事情是有幫助這個票價調整那如果你們走你們的程序根本你們都已經決定要漲了你來專案報告也沒有意義啊"},{"start":11646.016,"end":11661.316,"text":"所以我還是覺得你們董事會做的決定就先來做專案報告那至於三減多少我沒有意見但是這個部分我還是建議董事長一定要來做一個報告來做決定因為專案報告是朝委在排的啦"},{"start":11662.256,"end":11679.347,"text":"李坤城委員這個有關臺鐵的票價調漲與否當然社會有一定的討論當然他也有一定的行政的程序就是由臺鐵公司的董監事提出相關的討論及結論然後再送交通部"},{"start":11679.927,"end":11696.298,"text":"交通部再送行政院來做何可與否的相關的討論當然身為立委在交通委員會我們不管是相關的這些議程委員都可以隨時的針對部長以及相關的官員"},{"start":11697.259,"end":11715.517,"text":"提出相關的要求及說明這個部分倒不一定是要做明確的專案報告因為每個召委都有他關心的議題或是時事的相關的議題都會影響到召委排案以及相關法案的審理等等"},{"start":11717.459,"end":11736.032,"text":"這個票價議題不只是向立委要來做說明是要向社會大眾來說明所以不管是交通部或者是行政院臺北公司一定會尊重交通部及行政院的具體的看法行政院跟交通部也一定是參考"},{"start":11737.233,"end":11760.263,"text":"交通委員會委員以及社會大眾大家共同的想法社會大眾是認為說票這樣的調整與否是可以討論以前是連討論都不用討論因為我們有很多事情處理得不好但社會大眾現在認為說是有討論的空間的但是討論的結果當然是要向社會大眾來做具體的一個說明以上"},{"start":11760.885,"end":11783.991,"text":"好謝謝那我們這邊就做一個處理跟決議那針對第46到69案營業費42到69的營業費用的部分我們就是決議灼山一千萬元然後凍結百分之十凍結五千萬不好意思更正凍結五千萬元然後提書面報告後使得凍資"},{"start":11785.785,"end":11788.007,"text":"第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會第11屆第2會期交通委員會"},{"start":11808.679,"end":11835.681,"text":"報告林委員因為我們就已經刪一千萬了一千萬是很大條的如果說只有凍結凍結來我們來提專案報告這也是可以討論的方向啦這也要看召委各個召委安排這邊跟林委員說明啦其實專案報告就是召委的排案啦你要看下個會期他們不會"},{"start":11836.667,"end":11861.064,"text":"不是,因為你要專案報告他才能解凍的話齁我都同意不刪的阿這個專案報告就是跟老百姓不要這樣如果你要求專案報告他們可以,你要求他們馬上去跟你做專案報告就是你去你的辦公室專案報告一定可以包圍我們是不是可以專程去跟委員報告一下啦"},{"start":11862.168,"end":11863.73,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":11878.645,"end":11896.357,"text":"五、三次我說明一下我補充跟林委員補充因為以我們的經驗就是票價要調整的話不管有沒有凍結預算事實上召委通常都會排專案報告那我希望就是說這專案報告也不要跟預算綁在一起不要綁在一起啦"},{"start":11898.217,"end":11899.438,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":11929.718,"end":11943.843,"text":"我們做一個折衷啦好不好就是我們有三的一千萬我們就是凍結五千萬然後提書面報告那事實上跳價的調整只要他們送董事會我相信一定會有召委排專案啦不是你送政黨協商我覺得案子太多了你到時候真的是會也是會延誤到他們的一個運作"},{"start":11958.817,"end":11959.417,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":11989.922,"end":11990.963,"text":"公司營業預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":12001.155,"end":12025.333,"text":"我們董事會如果合理通過我們就跟委員報告了交委會各位這個合理啦就是臺鐵的董事會有討論出一個結論的時候除了向交通部報告也要跟交通委員會來做說明以上好那這個部分你們務必要記得喔不要事後又疏忽了那你們在之後你們可能就會"},{"start":12027.748,"end":12040.936,"text":"好,那個杜董事長這個部分的要求就是你們只要送來董事會之後有什麼第一時間有一個結果第一時間就要告知我們委員會的委員是"},{"start":12043.217,"end":12043.657,"text":"第7、繼續審查第8、繼續審查第9、繼續審查第10、繼續審查第11、繼續審查第12、繼續審查"},{"start":12063.77,"end":12069.633,"text":"舉手再來就是要先想委員謝謝好好好謝謝謝謝趙偉本席提的是氣死案那這個預算數十億元我是提凍結十分之一就是凍結一億元那其實有兩件事第一件事情還是這個安全的問題"},{"start":12080.259,"end":12102.844,"text":"就是說我們在這個今年應該是這樣講我們今年那個月台跌落的事故的部分還有意外落軌38件那還有蓄意跳下月台釀成的72傷這個是一個數字那其實這個數字就是在告訴我們說那台鐵對於這個月台上的一個安全"},{"start":12103.404,"end":12103.744,"text":"計劃的進度在第一個。"},{"start":12126.715,"end":12128.376,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":12148.865,"end":12178.387,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":12178.663,"end":12207.596,"text":"好,謝謝何欣淳委員接下來邀請廖先祥委員好,謝謝主席那我提的是81及8383我先講83就是這個顯示系統的東西啦我沒有要刪啦但是因為來說明之後有一個覺得奇怪的地方就是我們目前有好像有兩個車站已經做好了那現在要做的是剩下的然後我們的同仁跟我講的時候說現在要做的這一些比"},{"start":12208.516,"end":12208.836,"text":"臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算"},{"start":12225.856,"end":12254.428,"text":"的規格反而是最差的我覺得有點有點奇怪啦吼這個我希望臺鐵自己能夠去檢討一下為什麼會在當初在做全車怎麼會有這樣子的一個情形那另外一個這個自動驗票砸門的東西總預算因為分年度嘛總共大概9億多啦那因為當然就是在TPAS跟可能敬老卡能夠使用之後有做了一個裝備的設備的調整但是實際上現在的民眾在使用上面並沒有"},{"start":12255.811,"end":12276.8,"text":"議員議員議員議員"},{"start":12276.86,"end":12277.641,"text":"臺灣政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":12294.838,"end":12296.459,"text":"第三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":12316.491,"end":12316.831,"text":"邱若驊委員,謝謝。"},{"start":12336.662,"end":12353.015,"text":"發生土石淹沒軌道還有巨石掉落影響列車雙向通行的事件所以委員這邊有特別提到希望這個防護還有預警功能能夠再更精進然後他原本原先是林佩祥委員原本提是要凍結40%那這邊改動10%再提相關書面的說明以上謝謝"},{"start":12358.76,"end":12372.18,"text":"好,謝謝邱若驊委員那本席有提第85案也是針對那個車站資訊的那個顯示系統的部分那我們現在有要逐年貸換貸去換新建制列車暨站務資訊顯示系統"},{"start":12374.343,"end":12374.803,"text":"第11屆第12會議中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":12395.555,"end":12396.215,"text":"：一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算"},{"start":12413.166,"end":12429.599,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":12429.699,"end":12456.17,"text":"李委員的部分李崑澤也不堅持刪減案那這部分我們就來做一個處理是不是我們就用凍結十分之一可以好那我們針對第70到85案固定資產建設改良擴充我們凍結十分之一然後提書面報告後使得動之然後科目自行調整好謝謝接下來就是處理決議案"},{"start":12463.789,"end":12465.01,"text":"那第86案那個決議案遵照辦理好照案通過87案87案遵照辦理好照案通過88案"},{"start":12483.165,"end":12511.741,"text":"88案請修正為提出書面報告。好,那我們就照文字修正後通過。好,第89案。區委員,謝謝區委員也有同意就是修正文字為提出書面報告。好,我們照文字修正後通過。第90案。90案提出書面報告。這個委員也有跟委員報告溝通過。"},{"start":12512.432,"end":12537.561,"text":"好。那我們就照文字修正後通過。第91案。文字有修正嗎?那OK。好。就是專案改書面。抱歉了。抱歉。好。那第91案。遵照辦理。好。照案通過。第92案。92案遵照辦理。好。照案通過。第93案。93案有經委員同意那個修正文字為提出書面報告。"},{"start":12538.22,"end":12567.334,"text":"好,就是第2委員我同意了,那我們照文字修正後通過,第94案?94案一樣,就是修正文字為提書面報告好,那我們照文字修正後通過,第95案?95案同樣是提文字修正為提出書面報告好,那我們照文字修正後通過,第96案?96案一樣,就是提文字修正為提出書面報告"},{"start":12567.765,"end":12595.381,"text":"好,我們在文字修正後通過第97案97案遵照辦理好,照案通過第98案98案遵照辦理好,照案通過第99案99案遵照辦理好,照案通過第100案100案建起修正就是最後一行就是於這個經營管理服務品質安全性準點率加強改善合理票價應這個妥善研議"},{"start":12597.141,"end":12618.408,"text":"剛剛有說那個董事會通過以後就跟這個交通交委會的委員來報告好那這個修正文字要送來主席臺那有經過提案委員同意了齁對林國成委員同意有同意好謝謝那我們照文字修正後通過第101案101案遵照辦理"},{"start":12619.468,"end":12635.237,"text":"好,照案通過第102案。呃,遵照辦理。照案通過第103案。呃,遵照辦理。好,照案通過第104案。104案建議最後那個報告前面加書面兩個字。好。改成,呃,就是變成書面報告。"},{"start":12636.704,"end":12664.705,"text":"OK好同意那照文字修正後通過第105案一樣就是改為書面報告好同意那照文字修正後通過第106案遵照辦理好照案通過第107案遵照辦理好照案通過第108案遵照辦理好照案通過好那114年度就是國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司營業預算的部分預算提案處理完畢"},{"start":12667.722,"end":12687.551,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":12708.677,"end":12737.108,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":12745.25,"end":12762.628,"text":"好,那我們就來處理交通部臺鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金114年度附屬單位預算那我們現在來處理一到三案就是業務費用的部分好,那第一案徐副委員同意改主決議"},{"start":12763.831,"end":12770.835,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":12794.794,"end":12800.355,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案臺灣港務股份有限公司營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司"},{"start":12821.199,"end":12843.005,"text":"這樣子我們第一到第三案業務費用我們就處理照剛剛的一個宣告只有業務費用下面的專業服務費業務費用下面的專業服務費就是凍結10%提書面報告或使得凍支那我們現在第二案是服務費用也是凍結10%對都是專業服務費好謝謝剩下一個組決議"},{"start":12852.117,"end":12859.722,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算"},{"start":12870.546,"end":12890.57,"text":"服務費用向下專業服務費我們凍結百分之十提書面報告後使得凍支但是第一案剛才已經改組決議對我知道第一案改組決議對對就是二三案好那我們接下來就處理第四案遵照辦理那我們就照案通過好"},{"start":12904.137,"end":12921.636,"text":"好,協商完成做以下宣告一、今日協商結論免予宣讀授權議事人員整理作為決議列入記錄二、委員要求提供之書面報告及相關資料請相關機關技術以書面答覆三、如有委員對於提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報"},{"start":12924.559,"end":12950.469,"text":"在針對本日會議做如下決議一、本日預算審查結果照列暫照列或照協商結論通過二、本日通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整三、114年度港港建設基金港務公司、台鐵公司、台鐵局撥入資產及債務管理基金預算案審查完畢請問各位委員對以上決議有無異議"},{"start":12952.19,"end":12956.606,"text":"好沒有通過本次會議到此結束現在散會謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}