{"error":false,"id":["164284"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":164284,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/164284","日期":"2025-10-16","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-4-15-5","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":4,"會次":5,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[15],"委員會代碼:str":["內政委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2025-10-16T11:07:18+08:00","結束時間":"2025-10-16T11:16:57+08:00","影片長度":"00:09:39","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6022c9f6d63255a31fcff4215c8c61c4a3b07049f443442ad77ab6ef5aede8985dc74b8a2e1778a35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"吳琪銘","委員發言時間":"11:07:18 - 11:16:57","會議時間":"2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部消防署署長就「警察、消防、海巡、移民及空中勤務總隊人員危勞津貼及退休權益之保障」進行專題報告並備質詢，另請行政院人事行政總處、行政院主計總處、銓敘部派員列席備詢。）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":0.63846875,"end":7.844093750000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":9.66659375,"end":12.349718750000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":12.36659375,"end":21.512843750000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":21.91784375,"end":25.140968750000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":25.37721875,"end":30.49034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":30.70971875,"end":31.90784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":32.447843750000004,"end":35.68784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":35.95784375,"end":37.915343750000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":38.26971875,"end":39.26534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":39.68721875,"end":43.06221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":43.24784375,"end":44.51346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":44.80034375,"end":46.01534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":46.454093750000006,"end":48.63096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":48.81659375,"end":50.048468750000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":50.41971875,"end":52.74846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":52.900343750000005,"end":56.174093750000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":56.34284375,"end":58.992218750000006},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":59.447843750000004,"end":60.52784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":61.017218750000005,"end":63.17721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":63.51471875000001,"end":65.21909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":66.28221875,"end":68.59409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":68.94846875,"end":70.55159375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":70.75409375000001,"end":73.20096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":73.53846875,"end":76.66034375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":77.08221875000001,"end":80.30534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":80.79471875,"end":81.77346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":82.48221875,"end":83.10659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":84.13596875,"end":84.65909375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":84.97971875,"end":89.58659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":89.94096875000001,"end":93.43409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":93.92346875000001,"end":94.24409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":95.15534375,"end":96.47159375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":96.97784375,"end":97.66971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":97.97346875000001,"end":99.18846875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":99.72846875,"end":107.52471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":107.92971875,"end":109.07721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":109.63409375,"end":110.86596875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":111.03471875000001,"end":114.12284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":114.57846875000001,"end":117.44721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":118.30784375,"end":119.59034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":119.59034375,"end":119.64096875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":119.72534375000001,"end":121.98659375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":122.07096875,"end":137.74784375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":127.33596875,"end":127.67346875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":138.23721875,"end":147.73784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":147.85596875000002,"end":159.11159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":159.16221875000002,"end":166.67159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":166.89096875,"end":169.79346875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":169.97909375,"end":174.02909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":174.18096875,"end":178.72034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":178.93971875,"end":182.63534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":182.80409375000002,"end":190.83659375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":191.07284375,"end":194.14409375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":194.34659375,"end":198.93659375000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":199.10534375,"end":199.62846875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":200.47221875000002,"end":204.13409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":204.52221875,"end":206.58096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":206.96909375,"end":210.52971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":210.91784375,"end":214.57971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":214.93409375000002,"end":217.09409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":217.44846875000002,"end":219.84471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":220.21596875,"end":220.77284375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":220.90784375,"end":226.13909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":226.69596875000002,"end":226.94909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":227.42159375000003,"end":231.15096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":231.47159375,"end":236.61846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":237.76596875,"end":237.95159375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":242.87909375,"end":244.00971875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":244.09409375,"end":244.11096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":244.11096875,"end":248.63346875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":244.56659375,"end":244.92096875000001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":246.10221875000002,"end":246.43971875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":248.36346875,"end":248.66721875000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":248.66721875000002,"end":248.81909375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":249.07221875000002,"end":252.05909375000002},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":252.26159375,"end":257.66159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":258.82596875,"end":261.45846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":261.67784375,"end":265.47471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":265.76159375000003,"end":268.56284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":268.64721875000004,"end":268.74846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":268.83284375,"end":269.45721875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":271.38096875,"end":272.47784375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":272.89971875000003,"end":275.11034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":275.38034375,"end":277.74284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":275.53221875,"end":276.24096875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":277.91159375,"end":280.20659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":280.52721875000003,"end":308.67471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":288.62721875,"end":289.16721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":291.88409375000003,"end":292.08659375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":294.90471875000003,"end":295.20846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":308.38784375,"end":310.88534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":309.01221875000005,"end":309.24846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":310.36221875,"end":318.69846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":313.82159375000003,"end":314.47971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":319.06971875,"end":334.83096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":322.78221875,"end":325.56659375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":325.56659375000004,"end":325.63409375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":326.30909375000005,"end":326.32596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":326.32596875,"end":326.95034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":326.95034375,"end":326.96721875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":329.95409375,"end":330.27471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":330.27471875000003,"end":330.30846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":335.59034375000005,"end":345.25971875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":340.93971875,"end":343.43721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":343.60596875000005,"end":347.68971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":347.95971875000004,"end":353.05596875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":353.27534375000005,"end":363.60284375000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":353.47784375000003,"end":353.66346875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":364.17659375000005,"end":365.37471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":365.77971875000003,"end":370.74096875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":371.02784375000005,"end":386.75534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":387.10971875,"end":396.07034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":391.61534375,"end":392.12159375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":396.23909375000005,"end":397.13346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":397.69034375,"end":399.59721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":400.03596875000005,"end":402.80346875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":403.09034375000005,"end":404.35596875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":404.64284375000005,"end":405.36846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":405.73971875,"end":406.60034375000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":406.87034375,"end":409.18221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":409.95846875,"end":411.19034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":411.66284375000004,"end":422.86784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":416.01659375,"end":416.03346875000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":416.11784375,"end":416.64096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":423.18846875,"end":426.02346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":426.27659375,"end":432.80721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":433.02659375,"end":442.24034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":442.00409375000004,"end":444.24846875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":442.51034375,"end":446.89784375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":444.41721875,"end":445.22721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":446.03721875,"end":446.49284375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":447.47159375,"end":451.13346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":451.13346875,"end":451.77471875000003},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":451.60596875000005,"end":455.92596875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":452.53409375,"end":453.86721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":454.44096875,"end":455.40284375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":456.09471875,"end":456.26346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":456.26346875,"end":491.70096875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":456.29721875,"end":456.36471875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":457.88346875,"end":458.67659375000005},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":459.58784375000005,"end":460.44846875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":461.54534375000003,"end":462.79409375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":463.38471875000005,"end":463.63784375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":473.23971875,"end":473.27346875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":492.10596875000005,"end":493.82721875000004},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":494.31659375000004,"end":505.03221875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":505.43721875000006,"end":507.59721875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":507.96846875000006,"end":513.16596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":513.30096875,"end":517.21596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":517.4522187499999,"end":519.19034375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":519.6459687500001,"end":523.69596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":524.1853437500001,"end":525.8728437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":525.95721875,"end":539.84534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":530.96909375,"end":530.98596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":531.00284375,"end":531.01971875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":531.25596875,"end":531.3740937499999},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":533.2978437500001,"end":535.2553437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":535.79534375,"end":535.9640937500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":536.8078437500001,"end":538.46159375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":539.0859687500001,"end":544.5534687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":541.5834687500001,"end":544.0134687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":544.5534687500001,"end":547.13534375},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":545.8528437500001,"end":546.1228437500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":547.6922187499999,"end":552.1472187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":552.7040937500001,"end":561.5972187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":558.17159375,"end":558.1884687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":558.2053437500001,"end":567.4697187500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":562.1372187500001,"end":563.92596875},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","start":564.4153437500001,"end":573.2409687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","start":571.62096875,"end":572.5659687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":575.14784375,"end":577.8984687500001},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","start":578.5903437500001,"end":579.38346875}],"whisperx":[{"start":0.643,"end":7.627,"text":"好 召委 議會同仁請我們內政部部長還有我們警政署署長 消防署署長請以上提到列席你好 部長 署長針對深淚的危老津貼我們從113年6月實施到現在其實我們都知道警察跟消防尤其過去跟我們的漁民還有空情機關"},{"start":30.819,"end":45.772,"text":"其實都很辛苦因為我們身為一個署長身為一個部長我們要提示我們下面的工作人員尤其我們知道台灣這個地方不管是警察尤其消防"},{"start":46.639,"end":72.62,"text":"這都是大家有機都日月顛倒所以說日月顛倒我們過去我們說針對就是說他出勤的外勤單位但是我們現在說他在內勤的備勤人員備勤人員我們也是一樣因為既然說他日月顛倒這備勤人員我們還是要體系要是經費許可我跟你說"},{"start":73.635,"end":96.19,"text":"這一點,對他們的保險,也對他們的保障尤其我們身為公務人員,尤其是警察消防我們知道,你要想,福利好,但是他們是用到他們的身體,用到他們的死命往來所以我們要說,大大的提升他們的待遇這對未來,對未來,我們要用的"},{"start":100.516,"end":107.285,"text":"他們在那裡投入的意願大家都非常的高尤其我們的年輕人大家都會去想"},{"start":108.221,"end":136.82,"text":"大意的問題是這個部分我也拜託說補充跟我們兩位署長一定要提醒說我們下面的工作人員是不是這樣 補充是 感謝委員的關心啦委員在這裡關心警員跟消防人員以外還有關心我們移民署也是同樣很認真 很靠譜所以我們移民署呢是針對這個危牢的情婦津貼的編列他們其實也編列大概是一千兩百多萬"},{"start":138.301,"end":158.85,"text":"就是說大家都會了解說他們需要去出勤的部分我們這裡適用的對象就是北區中區南區跟國進事務大隊輪班輪休人員那也一樣就是說我們都能夠體恤深夜圍牢確實是圍跟牢兩件事情都需要把它考慮在內所以我們這是希望能夠擴大113年6月的標準希望"},{"start":159.851,"end":181.809,"text":"這個警察人員跟那個消防人員也可以或者是海巡人都可以適用這樣的標準把它編列進去那我們會再多跟縣市地方政府來溝通就是中央的各機關大概都沒有意見但是在地方上面的話他們也會考慮到說地方政府預算支出的問題那現在我們在溝通的結果是大多數都會同意"},{"start":182.93,"end":195.535,"text":"只有少數可能會考慮到他們自己這個縣市政府裡面的這個預算編熱的情形我們來跟他們溝通因為他們在某一個地方每一個地方都很辛苦他們需要這個深夜為勞津貼一點點的補貼其實是為他們慰問這樣"},{"start":200.826,"end":225.977,"text":"這很好,因為跟地方政府大家都要去協調因為我們中央負擔一部分,地方政府他們還有一部分所以說一定要跟他們協調才能夠落實我們的警察跟消防跟移民署在這個部分,我們一定要主動跟地方政府大家來溝通總是要改過吧,好不好"},{"start":227.452,"end":230.117,"text":"好 輸定 兩位輸定好 沒問題 我們要持續溝通好 謝謝 謝謝好 那你們請回我請海委會"},{"start":245.256,"end":262.322,"text":"主委好 主委 針對我們的海底電纜我們的台澎 台澎三號的電纜線因為我們的海南 它的電纜線有三條都回去嘛這都是我們的電話 它的專家來 定義是信譽還是"},{"start":271.414,"end":276.776,"text":"有的是階段 譬如說有一條是階段有的比較是破壞有人說的三條是現在要不修理好才有三條前面有兩條已經修理好就是說七月以來有兩條已經修理好的所以七月以來就有五條是壞掉的"},{"start":295.765,"end":308.932,"text":"最近的一條是十月初七十月初七一台中古磚又把我們重重一條有一條十二針重了兩針那個我們就抓回來我們磚上已經抓回來它是四月還是什麼這就要檢測過它水凹水凹才有發動現在是要檢視是要責負收容是"},{"start":320.766,"end":339.36,"text":"因為我們還是要比較保養因為我們海巡都很認真我們還是海巡人員還是要去健康嘛我剛才看到在明天在報我們的海巡人員他長期請假又可以"},{"start":339.847,"end":345.828,"text":"連年終獎金都有我跟委員報告他不是說我們連年終獎金這個我跟委員報告就是說一體醫生的精靈是三軍中醫三軍中醫醫生就是寫得很明確的說叫他要長期居家休養以免病情惡化"},{"start":364.544,"end":373.394,"text":"醫生這樣說 要長期 還要居家 要休養如果沒有病情會惡化所以凱旋這個鑑體紛索不夠準 還有一些中風發生這我也不扁 因為這有個人的個資問題還有一些中風發生嘛"},{"start":383.085,"end":393.313,"text":"所以有準備,結果發生這個事情的時候我們要去,我們其實這個政風,七月就開始調查有人在調查但是我們這個行政調查,要去拿骨頭的證據是有困難的一直到早上我們拿到證據,早上拿到這個餐廳賠薪水給他的證據,我們早上才拿到"},{"start":411.787,"end":422.155,"text":"早上拿到就把它撤掉了,這我們沒辦法用完但是七月我們其實就已經懷疑,就開始一直調查這個調查的中間遇到很多的困難主要是我們是行政的調查,我們不是訴犯他這個當初他違反的,他這個訴犯違反的是公務人員毫無犯"},{"start":433.424,"end":440.371,"text":"說不定他們有沒有犯,他們犯的罪行,我們如果沒辦法說,刑事及檢察官的職位沒辦法,所以早上去拿到,早上有人看了新聞後,早上有人就把他請去給我們,"},{"start":451.721,"end":457.544,"text":"因為這個醫生的專業醫生的專業我們要如何去看待問題他寫得這麼明顯所以我有跟衛福部在溝通我說這個醫學醫生寫這種證明是不是他最了解這個病情"},{"start":473.732,"end":485.425,"text":"這個病情 譬如說這個病情需要半年追蹤一遍這個病情需要兩個月追蹤一遍所以他在想說你登記需要休養的時候他就要還有一條說叫他看幾個月再來調查 再來檢查一遍因為他可以這樣寫我們就遵律這幾個月嘛"},{"start":494.495,"end":509.701,"text":"你說你兩位要對中 我就相信你兩位兩位的醫療你再拿證明來嘛但是這是醫學的專業啦 我有跟施部長在溝通啦施部長是說這種事情 他要通靈救醫療單位做不可能啦就是醫療 醫療 我們如果遇到這種事情的時候我們就要看說 你醫生是不是跟我們說"},{"start":520.205,"end":538.451,"text":"說你這要回去休養但是你外國要對中一邊我們不覺得這中邊要外國對中一邊這我們沒辦法這要醫生利益才有辦法我現在有在處理這塊如果這塊我們拿下去所以我馬上明天11點就開會去開除沒有人查真的不行是啦 這對海巡很對不起海巡海巡你看這樣"},{"start":548.094,"end":561.666,"text":"來三個 早上 早上做禮這樣 跟半夜他就金門來一個偷渡啦媽祖來兩個偷渡啦 我們都抓到啦沒有啦 海巡 海巡 鯪門 鯪門 全都很辛苦的全都很辛苦的 但是你說 辛苦的人對阿你剛才那個掃帚 你這樣阿你一個人一個新聞喔 喔 大家很氣的啦對啦我氣到 好 好 好 各位 謝謝"},{"start":575.209,"end":575.37,"text":"謝謝吳啟明委員"}]},"gazette":{"lineno":746,"blocks":[["吳委員琪銘：（11時7分）召委、與會同仁。請內政部部長、警政署署長、消防署署長。"],["主席（黃委員建賓）：請以上官員列席。"],["劉部長世芳：吳委員好。"],["吳委員琪銘：部長、署長好。針對深夜的危勞津貼，從113年6月實施到現在，我們都知道警察跟消防，尤其過去還有移民及空勤機關，大家其實都很辛苦，我們身為一個署長，身為一個部長，我們應該要體恤下面的工作人員。我們知道在臺灣，不管警察或者消防大家都日夜顛倒，所以過去我們針對的是他是出勤的外勤單位，但是現在我們說在內勤的備勤人員，我們也是一樣，因為既然日夜顛倒，雖然是備勤人員，我們還是要體恤，如果經費許可，我認為這點是給他們的補貼，也是對他們的保障。我們身為公務人員，尤其警察、消防雖然福利好，但是你要想到他們是用他們的身體、用他們的生命換來的，所以如果大大的提升他們的待遇，未來他們投入的意願也都會非常的高，尤其年輕人都會考慮待遇的問題。這個部分我也拜託部長跟兩位署長，一定要體恤下面的工作人員，部長，是不是這樣？"],["劉部長世芳：是，感謝委員的關心。委員除了關心警員跟消防人員以外，還有關心移民署，他們都同樣很認真、很努力。所以我們移民署針對危勞勤務津貼，其實也編列大概一千兩百多萬，大家都會了解他們需要出勤的部分，而我們適用的對象就是北區、中區、南區跟國境事務大隊的輪班輪休人員，也一樣，我們都能夠體恤深夜危勞確實是「危」跟「勞」兩件事情都需要考慮在內，所以我們這次希望能夠擴大113年6月的標準，希望警察人員、消防人員或者是海巡人員都可以適用這樣的標準，把它編列進去，我們會再多跟縣市地方政府溝通，中央各機關大概都沒有意見，但是在地方上面，他們也會考慮地方政府預算支出的問題，現在我們溝通的結果大多數都同意，只有少數可能會考慮他們自己縣市政府預算編列的情形，我們要多跟他們溝通，因為他們在每一個地方都很辛苦，他們需要深夜危勞的津貼，一點點的補貼其實是對他們的慰問。"],["吳委員琪銘：這樣很好，大家和地方政府都要去協調，中央負擔一部分，地方政府還有一部分，所以一定要和他們協調好才能夠落實照顧警察、消防跟移民署，這個部分一定要主動跟地方政府溝通，總是要解決，好不好？兩位署長。"],["張署長榮興：好，沒問題，我們會持續溝通。"],["吳委員琪銘：好，謝謝，你們請回。我請海委會。"],["管主任委員碧玲：委員好。"],["吳委員琪銘：主委好。主委，針對我們的海底電纜，臺澎3號的電纜線，有3條電纜線斷掉，都是對岸的船隻，他們是蓄意還是……"],["管主任委員碧玲：有的是因為地震，有一條是因為地震，有的確實是破壞，委員說的那3條是現在還沒修理的，之前7月以來有兩條已經修理好了，所以7月以來就有5條是壞掉的，最近發生的是10月7號，10月7號有一臺中國船又弄斷我們一條，有一條12芯斷了兩芯，那個我們船長已經抓回來了。"],["吳委員琪銘：他們是蓄意的還是……"],["管主任委員碧玲：這就要檢察官做最後判斷才會知道，現在是暫時把他責付收容。"],["吳委員琪銘：因為我們還是要確保……"],["管主任委員碧玲：是，我們海巡都很認真。"],["吳委員琪銘：針對對岸的船，我們海巡人員還是要去監控。"],["管主任委員碧玲：是。"],["吳委員琪銘：我之前看到媒體報導，我們的海巡人員長期請假，連年終獎金都有，這有一些誇張，對社會大眾都沒辦法交代啊！"],["管主任委員碧玲：我跟委員報告，他不是領年終獎金，他拿的醫生證明是三軍總院的，三軍總院的醫生寫得很明確，要他長期居家休養，以免病情惡化，醫生說要長期，還要居家休養，否則病情會惡化。所以海巡鑑隊分署不予准假的話可能會有一些狀況發生，這我也不便提，因為這有個人個資的問題，還有一些狀況發生，所以有讓他准假；結果發生這個事情的時候，其實政風7月就開始調查，有認真調查他，但我們行政調查要取得具體證據是有困難的，一直到昨天我們拿到證據了，昨天拿到餐廳匯薪水給他的證據，我們昨天才拿到，昨天一拿到就把他取消了，我們沒辦法容忍。我們其實在7月就已經懷疑，就開始調查了，調查中間遇到很多困難，主要因為我們是行政調查，不是司法調查，當初他違反的事項是公務人員服務法，他犯的罪行也沒辦法以刑事叫檢察官來指揮……"],["吳委員琪銘：這真的有比較誇張一點。"],["管主任委員碧玲：所以昨天有人看到新聞之後就把證據給我們了。"],["吳委員琪銘：喔，這一定要嚴查嚴辦。"],["管主任委員碧玲：因為這是醫生的專業，也是我們要怎麼看待醫生專業的問題，他寫得那麼明確……"],["吳委員琪銘：因為社會大眾都非常不能諒解……"],["管主任委員碧玲：所以我有跟衛福部溝通，以後醫生如果寫這種證明，他最了解病情，譬如這個病情需要半年追蹤一次，或是需要兩個月追蹤一次，所以醫生寫他需要長期休養時就還要再加一個，叫他幾個月再來檢查一次，如果可以這樣寫，那我們就准他這幾個月的假，譬如兩個月之後要追蹤，我們就先准你兩個月的假，兩個月以後再拿證明來，但這是醫學的專業，我有跟石部長溝通，石部長說這種事情要通令叫醫療單位做是不可能的。以後我們如果遇到這種事情時，我們就看醫生是不是說要長期休養，至於多久要追蹤一次，我們不敢說這種病要多久追蹤一次，我們沒辦法，這要醫生才有辦法，我們現在有在處理這塊。"],["吳委員琪銘：好，因為我們看到媒體……"],["管主任委員碧玲：這件我們拿到證據了，所以我們昨天11點就開會把他汰除了。"],["吳委員琪銘：這個沒有嚴查真的不行。"],["管主任委員碧玲：是，這真的很對不起海巡，昨天和前天半夜從金門來了一個偷渡，馬祖也來兩個偷渡的，一共3個我們都有抓到了，海巡人員整晚都在忙碌……"],["吳委員琪銘：海巡人員都很辛苦，這種少數的實在是不應該……"],["管主任委員碧玲：海巡表現的這麼好，但這一個人出這樣的新聞讓大家都很生氣……"],["吳委員琪銘：對啦！"],["管主任委員碧玲：我氣到……"],["吳委員琪銘：主委，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝吳琪銘委員。","接下來跟委員報告，徐欣瑩委員答詢完之後會處理臨時提案……"],["王委員美惠：對，沒錯，主席繼續講。"],["主席：這樣對啦，我有看到你，我們早上有宣告了。"],["王委員美惠：好。"],["主席：我們臨時提案處理完之後就給議事人員休息一下，5分鐘，好不好？"],["王委員美惠：謝謝召委。"],["主席：我們現在請徐欣瑩委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":68,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-15-5","speakers":["黃建賓","牛煦庭","蘇巧慧","張智倫","黃捷","許宇甄","王美惠","張宏陸","李柏毅","麥玉珍","林德福","吳琪銘","徐欣瑩","賴惠員","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","盧縣一","黃國昌","陳冠廷","邱志偉","高金素梅","林楚茵","王鴻薇","丁學忠","吳宗憲"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-10-16"],"gazette_id":"1148501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148501_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部消防署署長就「警察、消\n防、海巡、移民及空中勤務總隊人員危勞津貼及退休權益之保障」進行專題報告並備質詢，另請\n行政院人事行政總處、行政院主計總處、銓敘部派員列席備詢","agenda_id":"1148501_00001"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}