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希望各位委員了解,就是說我們可以來一個專案報告一起來討論如何解決這個公視華視的整個結構性的問題那去年已經把公視的天花板打開,因為公視的18年來"},{"start":6724.935,"end":6743.533,"text":"公司不斷的膨脹加了很多頻道,凍結我願意接受凍結一個數字我們再來報告好嗎?然後不要再剪裂,為什麼?因為胡董找過我很多次他的預算非常不夠,他怎麼算給我看都是不夠所以希望大家不要再把他剪裂,但是凍結一千萬怎樣?"},{"start":6748.68,"end":6766.592,"text":"我們再來報告嘛阿如果錢不夠為什麼可以放一千萬去做一個LOGO然後講不出來效益不過不是一千萬一定是你直接講一個數字其實算蠻複雜的他絕對不是那樣的那是什麼阿那是什麼阿喔那我剛剛已經回答了剛剛那個總經理對對對但是講的我還是不清楚阿他總體的總經理剛剛有解釋你那個效益在哪裡嗎效益到底在哪裡剛才有講過"},{"start":6781.025,"end":6805.188,"text":"報告委員因為他這個案子他其實除了他的那個logo之外他整個識別設計還有他有五個頻道代表角色口袋小子他總共有五個角色這個角色其實現在已經做了非常多的這個識別頻道形象還有音樂jingle還有每個月的提示卡他是整套的CIS他要做非常多的東西包括音樂設計他光這個頻道形象的30秒他就是一整個動畫"},{"start":6806.169,"end":6822.312,"text":"議員議員議員議員議員"},{"start":6823.224,"end":6846.617,"text":"你拿到之後然後你後續真的會有什麼產值嗎?會有什麼效益嗎?還是錢花下去之後又沒有了?當然這個錢花下去你一定有一些產品出來可是這個產品你拿到這個東西的效益是什麼嗎?我覺得我不知道為什麼要做這件事啦他可以為這個頻道行銷推廣而且製造認同像我們最近辦的活動"},{"start":6848.22,"end":6866.817,"text":"我跟你講我們光一個活動我們贈送口袋小子的禮包馬上就是幾萬的這個我覺得公司現在的問題就是感覺花很多錢好像做很多事但大家都沒有什麼感覺請你們拿出你們具體的成果效益評估給我們看一下"},{"start":6868.238,"end":6893.525,"text":"謝謝,我想我因為我一直在處理凍結數,我還是請部長直接再做一下說明好不好?我再提高凍結數3000萬,然後不要剪裂我們,然後我們專案看書面報告等等,因為我剛剛一直講到這18年來的那個結構是非常,要同情華視也同情公視,希望你們支持我們,我們凍結3000萬好嗎?然後不要剪裂,然後專案報告等等。"},{"start":6894.178,"end":6912.221,"text":"市長現在不是我們知不知的問題是大家拿那麼多錢給公視嘛那公視把錢花下去了我沒有說你們怎樣人文部長我沒有說我現在講的是說你錢都把它花下去了但到底拿到什麼效益大家其實都是在講這件事情嘛那到底效益是什麼我覺得要舉出來就是"},{"start":6912.782,"end":6934.421,"text":"到底補助這個錢到底達到什麼東西你花一千塊做這個logo你說弄很多小子什麼IP好啊對有啊然後呢這些東西有什麼效益嗎他後續到底幫我們影視產業貢獻什麼或者是說公視幫出存在目的是要製作一些優良頻道或節目那這個節目到底是影響了什麼或什麼我覺得這個東西我們真的很抽象啊都看不太到啊"},{"start":6936.96,"end":6964.131,"text":"部長,我覺得您要不要再回復一下,讓葉子偉能更清楚一點嗎?其實我們不應該卡在那個LOGO,因為小公司的成立很不容易,然後成立之後會,最大改變是讓台灣的所有製作公司願意做合同節目,這點才很重要,因為合同節目要富裕個一兩年,所以LOGO本身,我承認您剛才講的錢是什麼,但是小公司能夠成立,然後激發台灣所有製作公司可以做合同節目,這點還是真的比較長遠的。"},{"start":6965.231,"end":6975.501,"text":"希望各位委員支持我們這樣子因為我們公管集團每一步踏出去都是蠻不容易的包括小公司這件事情好嗎我們剛才講說凍結3000萬"},{"start":6979.829,"end":6985.113,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7006.366,"end":7031.304,"text":"部長您先請坐,你先請坐,沒關係我是怕大家看不到我啦那個慶幸委員還有就提議一下我們那個可以平衡一下啦齁那我所有的提議這邊那就八千祝福你們能夠發起來好不好八千那葉元智委員沒有簡列部長是希望不要簡列啦那但是尊重每位提案委員什麼什麼"},{"start":7033.188,"end":7052.922,"text":"專案報告解凍,不檢列是不是?所以大家都不要檢列喔?所以大家都覺得公司做得這麼好?不是,他沒有缺錢,他是把錢亂花。我覺得要有效益啦,我覺得做這個事情真的要有效益啦。他解釋了你聽得懂?什麼數據都沒有。對啊。"},{"start":7059.821,"end":7060.461,"text":"五千好嗎五千五千好嗎因為"},{"start":7078.792,"end":7079.692,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構"},{"start":7100.382,"end":7128.184,"text":"好 那這樣子好不好那個 這個部長也就是很誠懇的就是在拜託大家但重點是我們都支持部長也支持文化部那我再重申一次主席真的覺得我們所有的委員啊都必須要被文化部的每一個人尊重所以未來我們所提出來的東西不管我們口頭關心的或者我們已經提案了這更嚴重我們已經提案的拜託第一時間一定要到各委員辦公室去說明"},{"start":7129.105,"end":7146.517,"text":"資料一定要來,下一次在審查預算的時候,絕對不要到桌上補資料這幾點我覺得很重要,這一定要做到那我想我們的簡列數如果就以我們不要簡列然後凍結數5000那但是明年一定要專案報告才能夠解凍,這樣好不好?好,那我們就在第二節的部分,我們不簡列然後凍結5000萬"},{"start":7154.824,"end":7155.144,"text":"改組決議166案、174案"},{"start":7176.345,"end":7188.134,"text":"接下來我們進行到第6幕第6幕我遵循一下我們現場委員我們之前已經有達成共識要用一節一節來審但是如果是用節來審的話我們是到205案但是後面其實還有一個第2節大概是4案要分開也可以要合在一塊也可以你們有沒有意見"},{"start":7199.09,"end":7227.222,"text":"那如果只有4案的話是不是剩餘的部分的話一二集我們一起處理好不好先一合在一起啊不是第6幕的第6幕現在第到209就從178到209好不好好那如果沒有問題的話第6幕我們現在從178到209案我們從後面剛才是前頭那就是張雅琳委員"},{"start":7232.788,"end":7257.157,"text":"我的案子是185案那185案主要是針對說我們現在轄下的博物館呢並沒有達到常設展都有台語翻譯跟台語約導覽這也是民眾一直有在跟我陳情的部分那尤其是說今年指定了四座生活美學館作為台語基地可是呢在現場的展覽上面也沒有搭配母語的翻譯所以我想這個部分還是要持續的改善不過因為後來呢"},{"start":7257.517,"end":7262.159,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7274.725,"end":7299.125,"text":"文化部有來溝通說因為這些選屆讀物都是業者自行報名的所以他很難要求業者來報名魔語讀物可是呢文化部在107年的時候是有訂立一個語言友善環境及創作應用與推廣補助作業要點鼓勵出版業者和作者創作魔語讀物所以我認為這是可以接受的替代方案但是因為我覺得這個要點已經6年了"},{"start":7300.191,"end":7302.032,"text":"議員：立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7315.902,"end":7322.545,"text":"190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案金曼獎190案"},{"start":7336.53,"end":7358.96,"text":"我不反對其他領域的傑出作品、跨足漫畫但是我看金漫獎的成立簡介裡面有提到說這是要促進台灣漫畫之一原多用並推廣台灣原創漫畫家及漫畫作品也就是說漫畫原創本身才是金漫獎應該要鼓勵的目標那這個和今年的名單其實有點不太一樣"},{"start":7359.94,"end":7360.54,"text":"主管國立文化機構作業基金附"},{"start":7378.77,"end":7385.676,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7400.336,"end":7401.957,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化機構作業基金附"},{"start":7421.502,"end":7435.992,"text":"所以這個上面有一點點誤差但是當時沒有人要修正不過後來也有來修正所以這個部分我就不堅持了那還是希望說中央社會未來還是要落實事實查核的部分那這部分我不堅持我改組決議謝謝好謝謝雅琳那議員主委員陳秀寶委員"},{"start":7446.016,"end":7472.246,"text":"謝謝主席在這一幕裡面我有四個案子我先說一下第184案是幫吳麗華委員共提的所以這個先改組決議那在第182案的部分是關於我們的這個能夠推廣的業務裡面根據新聞指出台德模型有導入中小學的台語教學而且在本土語言課程裡面來應用有助於學生進行本土語言的對話交流"},{"start":7473.627,"end":7496.565,"text":"那文化部這邊是我們國家語言發展的主責機構之一應該要密切的來協助國科會來充實這個泰德模型的語言資料庫那這個部分文化部裡面有來說明就是說對於語料數位研發議題會持續跟國科會這邊密切的合作那我也希望說文化部在國家語言發展中心成立之前"},{"start":7497.425,"end":7514.122,"text":"應該先做相關的規劃事項尤其是舊台特在本土語言傳承這個運用的部分來進行研議那之後呢我們在國家語言發展中心成立之後就可以很順利的來推廣那這個案子我可以改成主決議那第188案的部分"},{"start":7515.123,"end":7518.346,"text":"是關於出版人才培育以及獎勵出版的相關業務根據2022至2023台灣文化內容產業調查報告指出我國紙本圖書出版品營業額持續衰退2022年出版端已經比2021年衰退8.22%市場端也衰退3.25%"},{"start":7537.944,"end":7539.265,"text":"第二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7565.845,"end":7566.745,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7587.075,"end":7587.555,"text":"產業營業額也要訂定相關指標來檢視相關成效。"},{"start":7603.9,"end":7607.163,"text":"二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7622.728,"end":7643.861,"text":"已經面臨很有明確危險的傳承危機本土語言台語業務分散於文化部及教育部而且文化部主要推動台語業務的單位是在人文及出版司沒有一個專責的單位來推動相關的這些發展的業務我也很希望說文化部應該要積極的籌設國語"},{"start":7648.764,"end":7671.718,"text":"國家語言發展中心這些業務而且一定要針對不同的年齡階層所需來制定不同的台語推廣的方案那我要問你們這邊來說明是說目前有多管道來辦理台語的這個附贈業務例如說台語說故事爸媽活動或是說故事講師的培訓以及台語翻譯國外經典作品台語"},{"start":7672.718,"end":7696.51,"text":"具本創作及支持台語的網路影音等等這邊我也很肯定文化部以多項的政策來復正台語但是我剛剛提到就是說文化部應該要針對不同的年齡層推出適合他們的方案讓我們的台語復正業務可以更加順利而且我非常希望文化部這邊應該要成立台語專責單位的這個"},{"start":7699.972,"end":7700.972,"text":"單位預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7724.137,"end":7724.258,"text":"專門負責相關業務。"},{"start":7735.92,"end":7739.343,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7755.874,"end":7772.849,"text":"但是其中至少有兩個端在生產端跟通路端都有些問題生產端部分的話有大概15.38%的受獎助的創作者沒有完成媒合沒辦法出版那通路端就是輸電部分有很多輸電他是在"},{"start":7774.384,"end":7793.128,"text":"受到補助之後的5年內停業或解散所以這個計畫我覺得還有精進的空間因此呢我這邊是提出凍結500萬然後希望文化部可以針對過去推動這個計畫所面臨到一些問題跟解決方案提出書面報告然後再解凍好謝謝圓芝然後沛逸有案子嗎好那武春城委員"},{"start":7803.737,"end":7828.672,"text":"我是189案,針對出版事業致福島。主要是針對現在聊天機器人GDP,這個不僅非常容易上手,而且在幾秒鐘之內就能夠產出一篇文章。不禁讓人擔心這種深層式的AI會對出版業帶來很大的衝擊。"},{"start":7831.013,"end":7843.63,"text":"那讓那個低品質的書籍湧入市面而且到了侵權的一些種種的問題那應該對出版業現在都被感到威脅"},{"start":7845.083,"end":7863.81,"text":"那雖然這個AI的崛起會為這個數位出版業帶來無限的可能但同時也會帶來一系列的挑戰跟衝擊如何在AI還有人文原創之間找到平衡點來確保出版業的永續發展"},{"start":7865.33,"end":7869.073,"text":"三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":7890.948,"end":7904.976,"text":"正對黑暗技術對出盤內的衝擊來跟各方研商應對的對策提出報告然後到這個教育委員會來但是這一個我也可以同意改組決議"},{"start":7911.056,"end":7931.335,"text":"謝謝接下來我們請郭育群委員這一幕當中我是195跟203那195的這一個部分呢NOMO想這個方案其實是出版產業的一個振興方案有編列一些預算那我們知道這個日本知名的一個連鎖的書店其實在台灣已經連續在展店當中"},{"start":7932.676,"end":7959.762,"text":"但是這個方案從106年到113年補助實體的書店381案但受補助5年之後歇業跟解散總共有9案雖然有來我辦公室有說明就是實體的書店其實有在增加也有成長的一個趨勢但我想這個部分文化部是不是應該要進一步的去了解這個受補助的書店營運不善的一個原因"},{"start":7960.582,"end":7962.804,"text":"並且要檢討外國書店來台展店營運計畫提升實體書店營運效率及能見度這部分凍結金額200另外在205"},{"start":7982.462,"end":7984.923,"text":"203年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":8012.515,"end":8039.472,"text":"這四種語言其實流失率也高達了大概將近有五成那這個預算這個地方有一個表列我們看到是這個民東語跟原住民語的師資的人力是不到一那這個部分是不是可以請這個文化部既然有編的這個人文文學跟出版業推廣當中向下的一個成立國家語言發展研究中心有特別編列這個預算是不是也請這個部分"},{"start":8039.972,"end":8042.886,"text":"看是人力怎麼補足、失賠的部分要怎麼補足。以上"},{"start":8045.031,"end":8072.35,"text":"好謝謝玉琴那有請陳培玉委員好謝謝主席在這一幕我是178然後還有183那178主要全部都是跟出版有關我就一併的說明第一個是關於創新書室的部分在史哲部長上台之後提出了這個創新書室的建議那到現在已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一直不斷的延宕那我們舉例從這個113八月底工程實際進度只有2.6那低於預期的進度是4.26"},{"start":18484.172,"end":18487.295,"text":"一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附一、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":18503.329,"end":18532.325,"text":"辦理這一個學員的宿舍委託營運那這個過程當中我想大家都利益良善但是OT廠商未依規定向主管機關申請旅館業的一個登記因此遭到主管機關處罰那我想儘管文化部110年就是111年多次喊請國台交加速辦理一個相關事宜但是我想並要求其營運廠商在這個協商提前終止契約避免旅約爭議那國台交也未能處理"},{"start":18532.865,"end":18544.891,"text":"那我們都希望這件事情能夠獲得重視所以提了一個凍結案那待會跟大家一併凍結都沒有關係但是我希望有一個具體的改善喔能夠讓我們知道一下讓我們比較安心這筆錢是運用得當謝謝好 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敬請謝謝我們這不再進行討論了那個大家都有講到兩輪以上了那我們現在要針對這個第7幕的部分我們具體來提一下你們希望的凍結數或者減劣數來 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的一個行業的表現那其中電影行業在2023年的時候總台灣的電影票房是76億左右而國片佔了12億但在今年"},{"start":24815.872,"end":24831.754,"text":"總電影票房是62億當然整體的大環境全世界在今年的電影票房也都略為下降這是一個趨勢可是台灣的國片的部分是下滑了40%只剩差不多7.2億的一個票房"},{"start":24832.415,"end":24861.23,"text":"那我們想更重要的是說在今年有許多的這個國片的一個電影真的破六千萬票房的只有三部破四千萬的只有五部所以我想在這個部分已經不是在用疫情來去做一個大家不進入戲院這樣子來當藉口因為其實疫情已經過去兩年而且在疫情期間反而我們看到國片是逆勢成長因為很多的外國片很多好萊塢的電影反而是沒有去大規模的發行上市"},{"start":24861.51,"end":24863.332,"text":"主管國立文化基金附主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":24881.681,"end":24882.041,"text":"主管國立文化基金附"},{"start":24900.61,"end":24904.754,"text":"在疫情期間,很多國外的電影說疫情影響就是可能延後或取消上市的原因所以在那個段期間,我們國片的票房反而是成長的"},{"start":24924.99,"end":24948.263,"text":"但是因為疫情過後其實我們國人的觀影習慣改變以及串流平台的影響其實全球現在也面臨說是這個觀影人口流失的這個問題那影視局你們這邊來說明的時候是有說有強調說關於長片的輔導金增加以及綠色通道的協助向國片的占比已經有提升那其實還是需要蠻大的努力"},{"start":24949.104,"end":24959.306,"text":"這個案子我可以不堅持我可以改成主決議但是我希望影視局這邊可以持續探究我們該如何加強國片票房的相關的這些方法以上"},{"start":24961.189,"end":24983.555,"text":"好謝謝秀寶請吳佩儀委員這一幕我沒有提案但是我有一個主決議391案那跟大家一樣關心的是我們台灣的本土的電影的票房過去幾年來有下降但是我們針對內容這個制播的支持跟輔導應當是在持續增加的所以希望影視局可以來做一個整體的"},{"start":24986.237,"end":25004.614,"text":"檢討然後在尤其是國片的行銷通路上面我們要提出具體的計劃跟方案來協助本土已經有競爭力的那隱世內容產業可以有更多的通路曝光謝謝謝謝下一位是南路委員葛如君委員"},{"start":25007.54,"end":25034.405,"text":"好 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