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doctor事實上已經都是在各大學醫學院同時是臨床醫師也同時是教授那他們對於我們的學子幫助就很大"},{"start":3542.66,"end":3559.745,"text":"所以有十多位醫學院的學生參加了這個座談會以後覺得對於他未來的生涯發展提供了非常多重要的建議所以我們就搭配著我們既有的一些相對的文化活動或者是一些專題的活動或者橋台商的活動我們都會積極的幫這些台灣的搭橋計畫學員來做一些進一步的媒合讓他們有興趣的領域可以持續的發展"},{"start":3571.329,"end":3576.352,"text":"那當然今年呢我們由於去年的這個報名人數破歷史新高2800個"},{"start":3580.148,"end":3606.837,"text":"以上的這個申請案我們只挑了60個老實說是真的非常競爭那到今年呢我們就從善如流因為委員們都很關心說這麼多人這麼優秀那我們可不可以增加名額但在我們預算有限的狀況之下今年我們是有擴增一些所以我們名額會提到80幾位那就是希望說多增加幾個不同的路線能夠讓更多的優秀台灣的年輕人"},{"start":3607.877,"end":3618.927,"text":"出國去學習跟見識同時他們也在海外的時候跟我們在海外的這些第二代第三代的年輕人也建立很好的互動關係這是我們在搭橋計畫近兩年來具體的一些發展新的面向"},{"start":3624.151,"end":3638.137,"text":"是委員長剛才講到非常重要一點就是說其實這個計畫其實要有這個延續性那我們現在開始來做那為什麼本席會提出來是因為本席辦公室有一位同仁其實他就參加了第一屆的這個大橋計畫他說他從這個交完這個計畫成果發表會之後他說橋口會再也沒有跟他聯絡過所以為什麼我會在這裡提出來"},{"start":3647.401,"end":3654.043,"text":"因為我覺得真的是非常的可惜那當然我們很開心聽到委員長說其實這兩年我們已經積極的就是要建立一個交流的平台那我覺得這種學長學弟制的那種學弟妹制也很重要因為也是一種經驗的這個傳承我想因為我知道說這計畫最主要的目的是要讓這些青年學子培立成為未來橋界的這個人才"},{"start":3670.529,"end":3677.633,"text":"然後我有看到你們有提到說進一步蛻變成為宣傳台灣之橋屋外交兼併計畫這個很重要的一點那居然要有這一點要實現的話我想從106年之後的這些曾經參加過這個海外搭橋計畫的這七年學子其實我們都可以一把找回來因為我的同仁就說沒有耶他們從來沒有聯絡過我發表完之後其實我們也覺得非常的遺憾他說其實應該要有一個連續性的這個計畫好 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那我知道這幾年因為我們在國際情勢上真的是非常的困難然後橋友會我也知道委員長跟副委員長其實很積極的走訪各國去拜訪橋界那這個努力是本期是非常的肯定那當然在數據上可能還是有需要加強的地方好的 好 以上謝謝謝謝羅委員 謝謝謝謝羅美玲委員委員長請回接下來我們請王逸川委員上台質詢"},{"start":3878.41,"end":3880.692,"text":"委員長 謝謝請委員長黃委員早安好 委員長早你們辛苦不會這個剛提到台灣日因為我看你們的書面報告跟我認知的台灣日不太一樣是"},{"start":3898.405,"end":3926.768,"text":"裡面只寫什麼德國啦這個澳洲嘛是事實上台灣日很多在美國沒錯你剛剛報告的時候就把這個職棒加進去了對好這個去年的大都會的台灣日停辦你知道嗎我知道為什麼仍然是因為中國因素的干擾這麼嚴重是好那你知道最近蔡奇昌會長要去澳洲嗎知道"},{"start":3927.366,"end":3942.2,"text":"知道 也是為了台灣日嘛對他們的職棒隊對 澳洲職棒對 比賽好 這個台灣日對宣傳台灣是一個主權獨立的國家是很重要的"},{"start":3942.961,"end":3958.396,"text":"那我覺得僑委會要多用一點各式各樣的方式是有沒有信心在今年至少在一百個城市或者小鎮或者學校至少弄個一百個台灣字"},{"start":3959.848,"end":3968.15,"text":"跟委員報告我們台灣日確實是有很多元的特色那美國的職棒因為是美國民眾的主流娛樂之一那所以事實上在美國我們現在各大都會不管是東岸西岸南岸北東美西美南我來舉幾個這個跟委員說明東岸呢有這個從Boston紅襪隊的主場到這個紐約的大都會對這個委員長我知道"},{"start":3988.814,"end":3994.857,"text":"然後一路到這個華府到這個亞特蘭大這個東岸就整條四個大城市都有了南部Houston也有然後西岸呢我們從這個包括從西雅圖一路到這個南加州這個也好幾個不同的這個主場都有在參加台灣日連Arizona的場都有"},{"start":4010.365,"end":4023.963,"text":"好 那你應該有在看 或者是阮昭雄副委員長而且我們對於小朋友那個U12 U14 U16 U18我們僑胞都非常非常積極的去參加那這些事情跟僑委會有什麼關係"},{"start":4024.773,"end":4050.236,"text":"因為只要有僑胞關注參與的空間,我們僑委會就要積極的去關心那因為這些比較商業啦,不是說你要參加就參加,這個要開展的或者是中間有人在幫忙連結啦那其他的地方的這種台灣製啊,比如說各個大學國際上的各個大學,我們的學生會"},{"start":4052.078,"end":4072.479,"text":"應該僑委會或者外交部各式各樣或者我們台商會或者在地的同學會教育部的這種組織應該都要努力讓台灣在世界被看見這才會是總和外交對我們包括像加拿大在東岸西岸每一年也都會辦這個多元文化節"},{"start":4073.24,"end":4089.793,"text":"但是多元文化節雖然是以早期用台灣為主體但近幾年來我們有心的幾個僑領很成功的把當地所有的各族裔的僑民都整合在一起所以台灣變成是這些文化日的主要organizer"},{"start":4090.933,"end":4104.782,"text":"這個可能到時候包括文化部就是說這些大家一起整合進來第二個你們有這個喬教中心或什麼華語文中心請問這裡的老師都怎麼來的"},{"start":4106.259,"end":4134.424,"text":"我們在全球呢有一千多個橋校那這一千多個橋校從五十年前橋民陸續外移的時候就有很多人是自主性的籌組起來這種橋校那有一些原來是擔任自己真的是做華語文的這個專業老師去到海外那絕大多數的呢其實包括當地的留學生或學生家長那因為基於要傳承語言跟文化"},{"start":4134.944,"end":4150.645,"text":"自己也接受一些專業的培訓去擔任老師所以這幾年的師資更加多元這些老師有沒有中國人我們如果是在台灣華語文學習中心我們就明文規範不可以有中國護照"},{"start":4151.411,"end":4178.77,"text":"好 那他們會用中國的用語嗎譬如說 委員長早上好不會 我們都是用正體字的教學然後我們也開發我們自己的他們會不會講早上好基本上我們的橋校應該這樣說會有一些中國學生來學習這是必 不是學生學生那個不管老師不會 老師還是會說早安午安晚安好 很好 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因此我們在性操勞案正式立案調查結果出來以後隔年因為檢舉的資料一直持續不斷進來因此我們最後也同樣立案調查我想謝謝委員長 其實這些事情都調查完畢了嘛是的當事人也有沒有承認"},{"start":7385.223,"end":7409.746,"text":"我們都有給當事人這個陳述的機會就這整個案子在2023、2024其實是原來有一些檢舉函在檢舉別人後來沒想到寫檢舉函的當事人反而被揭露了這件事情這是兩個獨立的案件一個是MeToo案件後來那個MeToo案件也經過調查完整你們是確認沒有進行懲處相關懲處那是另外一件事情"},{"start":7409.966,"end":7424.403,"text":"是的但這個案件其實比那個案件我認為更嚴重嚴重性比較大對因為有的是財道法律有的我們要考量說我們館內的機密是在他過從聖祕當中而且在這當中包括我們辦的美食展從來沒有過中國的"},{"start":7427.046,"end":7452.777,"text":"中資高階的人參加或者知道我們的活動居然在當年度的八月由這個歐元所負責的這個案子居然出現了五個中國高階的人員出現因此在橋界也引起划然所以這個案子我們也是立案調查我今天為什麼要特別問這件事情這不能只有划然而已這一位歐元歐姓的我們橋委會的駐外人員他跟中共"},{"start":7454.117,"end":7464.404,"text":"當地的官員互動這麼緊密甚至於出現我們國家跟僑胞辦的活動中國找到管道滲透進來而且剛好就他辦的"},{"start":7465.826,"end":7486.711,"text":"這裡面有沒有洩漏國防機密以外的罪這是一個法律問題第二個利用他擔任我們僑委會官員的身份他會遭到我們僑胞嘛他等於是拉著我們僑胞去幫中共的官員進到我們邦交國巴拉圭雖然因為僑胞警覺性高沒有去執行算未遂犯"},{"start":7487.731,"end":7503.044,"text":"但是這個行為在觀念上毫無國家安全外交人員該有的基本的界限沒有第二個其實是目無法際他在幫助中國的官員偷渡過去萬一偷渡成功然後這個僑胞沒空不載他回來"},{"start":7504.165,"end":7532.17,"text":"那兩個官員是怎樣 準備滯留在巴拉圭被逮捕會引起國際事件 那個事件如果發生巴拉圭逮捕了中國外交人員 非法入境然後一作證說 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