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現在請院長你現在是有很多題目要談你可以針對這個我同意但是我現在講的話不是只有針對你這個問題回答我要回答他們說的問題我們才會解決嘛"},{"start":3767.026,"end":3793.698,"text":"你聽我講嘛你組織會議要有點技巧嘛我先會回答你的問題嘛接下來他們的問題我也要回答嘛你想自主回答後面的問題嗎不可能的事情嘛好不好你們老是搞這一套來我先回答啦我講話你們講話我都沒有意見我講話你也有意見的你來駁斥我沒有問題好不好第一個"},{"start":3798.148,"end":3820.943,"text":"那天在協商的時候說今天下午兩點半後來改兩點是什麼情況大家都在黃國昌也在大家都在你也在你用這個來拗我可以一直跟你講你不要學習小青你要講真話你要天天亂拗這是不對的等一下我再回答就好了好不好"},{"start":3822.455,"end":3841.663,"text":"你當幹部的人應該要有程度上的一個莊嚴性啦幹部的人都要講真話嘛那其他人即使會用來攻擊你我都沒有去見你誰罵我都沒你但是在朝夕協商的時候我們要談真的事情當然有辦法處理事情院長你不用很無奈那樣的"},{"start":3843.064,"end":3856.51,"text":"對不對你對我的表情都有意見我在眼巴巴看著你好 感謝感謝所以我第一個要先講院長那天是怎麼講的因為我們今天下午今天中午我們三個人都在一起"},{"start":3857.645,"end":3880.587,"text":"你還有蕙琦還有我我們共產黨參加什麼?施明德四四基金會剛好一周年在銀山飯店因為我們兩個都是施明德基金會的董事所以我們勢必要參加本來今天賴總統也要去嘛 他們太忙了陳吉院長也一定去的 他們跟施明德非常好"},{"start":3881.789,"end":3892.555,"text":"那是在附近中所以我今天開頭就講你也很清楚那天我結帳的時候 婚姻協在 大家都在嘛"},{"start":3894.597,"end":3920.003,"text":"你們本來說早上九點,我說院長要注意一下,那天下午中國沒有參加,可能十一點半以前都要離開今天會搞多久,總不能坐一下就跑掉,我們是董事嘛少數幾個董事而已,那現在陳文憲身體也不好不能來了嘛那殷遠良今天好像也沒有來,殷遠良應該也來嘛,都幾個董事而已嘛好"},{"start":3921.943,"end":3938.452,"text":"那今天我要講就是說,因為這樣所有難聽,當天我們在那裡談的時候,在硬朗市談,我說誒,我們是搞定,誒,那等一等,要賀文,要賀文到兩年半所以大家異口同聲說,那我們下午還開始,反正大家心情不錯啦"},{"start":3940.738,"end":3964.398,"text":"一塊包括黃國昌現在跑的就是說我們有幾個結論嘛就是說總算在議場表決的時候第一個不發言也不重複表決反正發言沒有人能夠說服對方嘛該砍一定對方一定要砍有立場的我們就表決書就算了嘛"},{"start":3967.622,"end":3983.833,"text":"所以那天講了,大家很愉快把它簽起來,我也講說,大家用學生共識他生多少,由於中度去出來,歷年都如此,大家都很愉快啊,所以才定下說,"},{"start":3986.982,"end":3999.955,"text":"禮拜五還是禮拜六禮拜五還是禮拜一那只有一次會嘛只有一次會那另外就是到21號所以剛才黃國昌講錯了哪來22號21號就休會了嘛所以剛剛黃國昌還談到了22號還有時間"},{"start":4010.103,"end":4026.776,"text":"就是大家要把時間掌握得很精準,講話要很精準才能往下走下去,因為這是很嚴肅的事情這不是國事論壇,也不是記者會所以第一個,黃威常常講一句話,這個事情才開具人罵"},{"start":4031.019,"end":4051.011,"text":"說核心繫民,好像講到很專業的樣子核心繫民就講錯了我們剛才一開始講說就是講下午兩點半開始嘛那你何必在那邊弄我呢?弄我沒有用的嘛我又吐錯了好像突然之間很專業的樣子好,那我們現在要談的幾個問題,當然各位高見"},{"start":4059.219,"end":4078.908,"text":"我雖然剛剛離開,但是我要後面休息坐一下,走來走去但是眼睛來聽各位在講什麼第一個,剛剛講的統三以前都是民進黨多數的時候國外民進黨多數的時候就是如此"},{"start":4080.874,"end":4089.524,"text":"反對民進黨多數民進黨多數的時候全部給你們整得非常酷啦我告訴你從我進行議員到現在"},{"start":4091.789,"end":4118.988,"text":"我們民進黨表決會贏只有蔡英文執政那八年我二十二年的時間我在立法院三十年二十二年的時間表決從來沒有贏過就算沒贏啊因為少數表決一定輸嘛像我們現在少數表決一定輸阿伯輸十幾也一定輸嘛所以怎麼走就怎麼輸可是呢我們還是有諸法遊戲規則至少要講出一個道理出來"},{"start":4120.362,"end":4143.582,"text":"至少我們要贏得民心嘛這是民主制才能這樣走下去嘛怎麼說我們為什麼說民進黨多數的時候才有去統戰多少反而民進黨多數的時候在民進黨少數執政的時候給我們黨整個幾乎臨時啦我講一個例子就好八百的所有執政我們少二十席"},{"start":4145.951,"end":4174.532,"text":"兩千年兩千年你是多少二十席那今天你們六十二席當然按照表格論書啊這是天經地義的啊本來就是如此在阿本執政的時候給國民黨怎麼臨時讓砍預算所以後來才講說再怎麼野蠻也不應該如此去砍農業部的預算、環境部的預算、環文化部的預算共產黨從頭到尾都站著站著以後砍預算要小心"},{"start":4176.717,"end":4195.368,"text":"剛剛很小心以後就大家就談一談合理數字可是國民黨頭腦沒有這麼差他整個民進黨是算客的所以當年講好總運算一百五十億兩百億全部簽好了"},{"start":4197.489,"end":4206.175,"text":"所以我曾經發明一個要表決前他只能丟出來因為任何案子要表決前都可以拿出來我們今天所有案子都是一樣"},{"start":4207.441,"end":4229.033,"text":"所以補貼錢都可以拿出來因為你看國民黨不是黃國昌常常在修正在修正就是出版補貼錢我們不知道內容是什麼都可以拿出來總之算什麼等於措施性法律但是總之算有一三法五十二條規定可以做一些附帶求求先提期限但依法不合則無效"},{"start":4230.85,"end":4257.701,"text":"所以是議長講的是互來條件所以只有互來決議這怎麼會卡六法全書從來沒有一個主決議所以在加拿大都沒有主決議根本都是為此反正依照法議案的存續法律法議案只有互來決議而已而且法議案的互來決議只有互來決議一個人反對就沒有了"},{"start":4259.341,"end":4275.81,"text":"這是這樣的 等一下 阿伯 阿伯我再繼續講就是說 我要駁斥就是說 國民黨不是民進黨都是搞這一套國民黨多數的時候才是搞這一套 因為這樣比較快 以前我都專門跟廖友本協商的嘛"},{"start":4277.691,"end":4303.613,"text":"好 我們現在回來就是說剛才有幾個講錯 當然我也尊重你們不統三 還是不論統三 不論個別三我們都尊重 都尊重 都尊重你們完全不統三 我也尊重因為 你想你們多數網站都怎麼樣只有任你們宅哥而已嘛 任你們樓運而已嘛但是到最後 大家回到道理上面來講"},{"start":4304.494,"end":4328.467,"text":"沒有關係 我都以尊重我們現在看到很多部委都被什麼凍結凍結預算只剩下一塊錢了 入委會啊 檢修部等等我們都尊重 沒有關係那凍結並沒有酸 那個比酸還厲害所以你們出很多怪招難怪我們今天報紙都寫出來連週十聯合都在罵所以你自己要清楚"},{"start":4329.548,"end":4352.549,"text":"我們都尊重,等一下可以,你說完全不同山,OK我們都尊重,以後你逼逼謝謝我,我要謝謝你讓我講話好不好這是我的前例我現在講的都是重點啦,等一下我們才能走下去啊到底是這樣,我要講廢話嗎"},{"start":4354.945,"end":4371.633,"text":"所以你要不統三,我尊重不能統三,不能一定要三的,我尊重只有全部不統三,我都同意所以這個你們自己決定,我們少數,這是第一個要講"},{"start":4375.325,"end":4402.351,"text":"那是有關於國務黨當然講的嘛他們有針對各部會各部會要攻擊農外部你這個有關於工程收購你又搞這一套了你印記要算多少我都聽到你們在講嘛三億、百億等誰...這是你們的潛力但是你要面對最後的民意而已啦這一點齁請林世民可能比較理性你隔壁那個範圍王可能拿起來亂搞"},{"start":4404.11,"end":4424.5,"text":"我有一些耳聞啦 好不好那我坦白講 沈逸帥的時候不是像想像中簡單我們都盡量和諧 我都盡量 啊 大家不要說 尤氏會講清楚就好了沈逸帥過去 有一個案子可以一天吵一天啦浪費你很多時間 那我明天還要趕著召集"},{"start":4426.176,"end":4450.449,"text":"你不道歉可以卡三天,都有,實際上都是有的所以我們今天要講的就是說今天大家有限時間面對整個國家中央政治總預算你連三個月的水準一起去抓,看你能不能合法要監督政府不要亂搞,你把政府搞垮是你自己要負責我先講清楚"},{"start":4452.042,"end":4459.352,"text":"何仙繫銘好不好接下來黃國昌何仙繫銘是你有愛你以前議會沒有講這個何仙繫銘來我一一回答當然沒有時間我會講KID"},{"start":4467.622,"end":4494.975,"text":"我要把這講完,大家要怎麼樣才能夠迎刃而解重點黃國昌大委員,我最喜歡吐他的臭,他最喜歡吐我臭常常他現在都很忍耐,不會跟我黑黑叫,因為我不插他嘴他就沒辦法了只能等下插他嘴他跳起來,他跳起來跑掉也不好所以這是我們大家要忍耐一下,好好講"},{"start":4498.317,"end":4523.437,"text":"有些是對的,沒有錯從那天講,學商很愉快我覺得說不發言,也不從不表決對可是他現在又講到一個但是各位假如要改變你的時候全部不學商來表決,他還贊成我都尊重"},{"start":4525.337,"end":4543.406,"text":"但是各位,這些有三千多個案,這樣保留下來,你要追保安表而去,你按到天亮,但一個月要按不完。重複表決再保結,這樣一個月要按不完。以前黃金平在的時候,曹偉強是我一個人坐下來,所以各部會,沒有說先去溝通的。"},{"start":4545.475,"end":4549.68,"text":"在現場顯輸贏,政府進來,政府拿些案子,在場有一件,馬上辯論,馬上顯輸贏現在發明一套,要先去溝通"},{"start":4561.275,"end":4581.154,"text":"是被凌遲而已嘛,因為小助理就可以把立委罰站或趕出去,或是算是罵,這個在立法院罵到連隔壁的人都看不下去,排一整排好像在捏米粉的,好像去吃飯的,這個今年何在?"},{"start":4584.301,"end":4594.088,"text":"行政部門的尊嚴何在?其實沒有在黨也不會這樣所以今天講清楚好像你們在黨要講清楚只要混合制的"},{"start":4595.473,"end":4610.404,"text":"還是單純的協商或是協商混合式或是完全不協商全部一表決你們自己決定好不好你們自己決定我完全奉陪等一下再來柯總召你到現在還沒有回到我剛剛提出來的那個你陸續後面發言沒有沒有我發言太長了嘛我講清楚以後再發言院長"},{"start":4619.431,"end":4623.575,"text":"主席 有這麼多人可不可以互相尊重一下尊重講話嘛 我把話講完嘛 你們現在怕我講到我要跟黃國昌咨詢罪責 你們在怕什麼"},{"start":4637.326,"end":4643.87,"text":"主席一句都插不了嘴你怎麼會這樣子呢你聽主席講一下嘛對不對我們一直都尊重你啊一直在尊重嘛你講那麼久主席只是說聽主席講一下話這麼困難嗎"},{"start":4655.795,"end":4673.002,"text":"你尊重別人這麼困難嗎你尊重我把話講完嘛一個人講四十分鐘你讓主席講一下好不好你不能讓主席講一下好不好他講的很有道理現在預算規模不一樣2000年的時候是兩兆一總算多少"},{"start":4675.854,"end":4695.21,"text":"到現在是二零二五年是三到二所以不能統三兩百變成四百這有道理但是呢我都能夠接受那這個事實上為什麼能夠分到三到二以前兩到一代表我們執政的時候把經濟搞得很好所以說才增加嘛才有可能這樣這不是急債來的"},{"start":4699.773,"end":4711.119,"text":"這個財政記憶法是存在的最後最重要,還沒一開始就沒黑沒紅我告訴你,你說你跟人家說,這個有道理那一黨那個表,設備通關3%那通關3%的時候,一日設備通關3%"},{"start":4722.162,"end":4737.71,"text":"但是今年情況比較不一樣我請問,潛艇的運算可以通山嗎?有一個機敏,國家很需要戰機的維護,那可以通山嗎?無人機可以通山嗎?"},{"start":4739.051,"end":4758.976,"text":"這些都是和國家安全非常重要的你可以通商嗎所以這個要分這個是用這個來騙的用這個來騙的你們藏了嘛藏了多少東西所以我們胡適耀根本沒有我而已他根本沒有某黑某紅你"},{"start":4761.132,"end":4774.948,"text":"司法造勢是因路人皆知的,我們要講清楚嘛所以我們今天要談國務黨的案子,國務黨...柯文召對不起,我不能再讓你發言了太不尊重其他人了,一個人講40分鐘"},{"start":4779.333,"end":4781.234,"text":"我們不是在辯論 我們在協商已經會一個小時了 你都不講"},{"start":4801.382,"end":4814.492,"text":"你以為我是白癡啊?你這什麼主席啊?我講的是國家安全的問題你今天不讓我講我也不讓你講國家安全嗎?你不要講國家安全嗎?那你為什麼不讓我講話?那既然他說我...我可以回答嗎?我可以回答嗎?"},{"start":4826.875,"end":4833.177,"text":"我這樣講因為柯總統講到現在還沒有還沒有同意禮拜六禮拜天是不是加開朝野協商"},{"start":4853.874,"end":4882.024,"text":"因為我們先確定我們會議的時間再來討論我們議案我現在跟各黨團幹部報告柯文聰你剛剛說要答應我你針對禮拜六禮拜天加開草野協商你要同意還是不同意你講了三十多分鐘你還沒有同意禮拜天有禮拜天加開草野協商我們不加開院會可以嗎院長"},{"start":4883.382,"end":4894.587,"text":"你們要怎麼樣,要加開,我絕對沒有意見你們不同山要全部表決,我還沒有意見我們先處理開會的時間,不是討論我們不是討論一些內容嘛,先確定開會的時間嘛我們在野黨是少數,全部配合不是,我們先確定開會的時間我們現在就簽字囉禮拜六禮拜天加開草野協商我們不加開院會"},{"start":4912.486,"end":4940.928,"text":"好請黃國昌請那個我尊重院長會議的主持啦但我可能要懇求院長一件事三個黨團的發言我覺得基本上還是要公平剛民主進步黨黨團進行了第二輪發言那其他兩個黨團是不是也有相同的機會來進行第二輪發言那時間上我們都尊重院長的設定院長如果要設定譬如說三分鐘五分鐘給大家一個清楚的時間我們都願意遵守但我覺得"},{"start":4941.989,"end":4959.222,"text":"各個黨團有公平發言的機會這個是一個重要的原則民主進步黨黨團剛剛已經玩了第二輪了嘛那其他的黨團是不是應該有第二輪的機會然後請院長採釋好 那個總統幹部長 容許我再講你不要壓麥克風嘛我講這個主席要怎麼講我可以講一個鐘頭這種招 你不要壓麥克風發言好嗎"},{"start":4972.355,"end":4997.369,"text":"不只他各位黨團幹部因為我們有這麼多的案子當然要大家我們自己來控制一下發言時間那我剛剛所提的這些先確定我們星期六、星期天要不要加開朝野協商我們先針對這個議題大家來發言發言完畢之後我們就確定了實際的議程那到預算內容的時候大家可以各自發揮好嗎好 我們請傅坤吉總統請"},{"start":5000.804,"end":5015.425,"text":"院長辛苦了我想先對剛剛院長所提出來是不是我們六日啊能夠來進行朝野協商那基本上柯總統剛剛也表達他願意配合"},{"start":5016.089,"end":5045.234,"text":"那基本上在我們發言的同時我建議院長就已經把抄襲協商的結論先給大家簽就不用影響到我們現在持續的發言好不好那第二個就是當然我們還是國民黨還是保持持續善意的溝通啦但是我在這裡也提醒一下院長抱歉我也提一下院長我要請問一下哪一個全世界哪一個先進的民主國家"},{"start":5048.089,"end":5064.28,"text":"國會議員的發言是沒有限制時間的,在哪一個民主的國會,他的發言可以肆意妄為,要講一天也好,要講半天也好,個人獨白也好,還是幾十年來的牢騷都可以講。"},{"start":5066.287,"end":5084.719,"text":"這個真的我們要一個制度到底發言時間是多長你可以講一輪講兩輪講三輪沒有關係因為大家是一樣的平權都可以來講話但不能老是因為這已經一年了我們已經忍讓了一年了大概我們每次講話"},{"start":5086.5,"end":5099.897,"text":"今天因為剛好柯總知道腳不太舒服在旁邊走來走去不然平常我們的講話都很難順利講完中間都要被他插話 插個七八次算正常那 院長我們還是"},{"start":5101.513,"end":5130.298,"text":"不能永遠叫在野黨去忍讓我們的發言到底是多少時間這個要一個明確化如果他們一輪民主進步黨執政黨如果認為他一言的一輪的發言不能不能把他的重點講完可以第二輪再來講沒有關係那這是一個事情要拜託院長來主持這個會議程序才不會像今天這麼多的委員不滿因為大家羈押太久了"},{"start":5131.554,"end":5156.602,"text":"羈押太久了 您做的財處我相信大家都會支持那再過來一個就是我們本來今天兩點鐘就要開始協商這個總預算的內部實質的協商那我想柯總召剛剛大筆一揮我們要這樣耗掉一個多小時那現在是不是可以拜託一下"},{"start":5158.203,"end":5181.091,"text":"因為既然有三千多案其實歷年來也差不多是這個數字也差不多是兩三千案 三四千案也差不多啦那是不是 我想是不是就懇請院長我們在協商每一案的時候協商每一案的時候 時間不能超過多少"},{"start":5182.892,"end":5208.471,"text":"因為基本上基本上我想我們提案的委員或許要表達也可以或許不表達那如果執政黨要發言就一次違憲我們就要下一案那一次是多少時間明確就針對該案來表達意見就好我們要再次強調這一年來國民黨一直非常理性的"},{"start":5209.468,"end":5230.67,"text":"在立法院尊重院長的指示以及我們立法院所有的議事規則我們都照這樣來進行但這一年下來每一次在干擾議事不能開會的佔領主席台的往往都是執政黨我們還要很費力量的去排除"},{"start":5231.604,"end":5258.08,"text":"被佔據的這個主席台才能夠順利開會這我們深表遺憾但是更讓大家覺得不解的就是國會議員來監督行政機關對所有預算的執行不管是刪除也好 不管是凍結也好今天國防部的部長顧立雄先生對於說我們潛建國造"},{"start":5259.141,"end":5283.512,"text":"要怎麼樣的來保護我們的國防今天不管朝野有哪一個黨在反對而且事實上也是依照顧立雄部長的要求他114年他只要用2億但是就很奇怪服變了一個20億那明確問了他只要用2億為什麼要編個20億所以18億的凍結是這樣子來的但是呢鋪天蓋地的這些網軍跟側翼啊"},{"start":5288.939,"end":5313.445,"text":"一直在攻擊我們這個事情這個是國防部的部長顧立雄自己要求的那我們按照民進黨執政黨所派任的國防部顧立雄部長他的要求來做成這樣的一個提案就變成是我們又代表哪一種勢力在這裡不斷地攻擊不斷地抹黑"},{"start":5315.035,"end":5337.317,"text":"那對於啦 這個總計算已經到三兆多對這施起義的這個媒體文宣啦我想這個已經是整個台灣的一個悲哀啦一個執政者已經握有所有的權力他沒有好好的來跟在野黨溝通也沒有召開國事會議我不曉得賴總統到今天為止"},{"start":5339.69,"end":5363.737,"text":"他沒有去參加施明德主席的這個名單的今天中午的宴會他當然很唏噓 他不能去啊因為在那種年代裡面施明德主席願意讓朝野喝大海節的咖啡大家坐下來談但是今天已經整整超過一年了賴清德總統您當選超過一年"},{"start":5365.919,"end":5389.068,"text":"有沒有要來召開國事會議有沒有來跟所有的在野黨來溝通我們完全看不到這個國家元首該有的行為嗎然後再用了人民的血汗錢現在百工百業多麼辛苦台灣的觀光竟然農曆年住房率只有三成多百工百業如此的辛苦而此時此刻"},{"start":5393.111,"end":5418.033,"text":"還有這麼多的網軍側翼拿了人民的血汗錢在這裡死一萬尾來攻擊在野黨來做各種的攻堅所以啊這個執政者就是錢已經多到像這個黑熊學院連我們警政署要怎麼做防衛還要請黑熊學院拿兩千多萬來教大家防衛"},{"start":5419.318,"end":5447.035,"text":"更好笑的是內政部長劉世芳還要辦家庭遊會要請黑熊學院來辦他甚至否認這個事情然後當密件被大家查到以後又說我還沒發包這舉例也不一定是他而劉世芳部長又通令各縣市這個密件不能給民代看到為什麼一個執政者用這種鬼鬼祟祟啊見不得光的態度"},{"start":5448.854,"end":5467.533,"text":"我們在這裡再次強調一個執政者應該有寬大的胸襟 慧紅的格局應該好好的來對國家發展的方向大家來溝通不是到處藏這種錢用人民的血汗錢 養網軍養側翼來攻擊在野黨這不是一個執政者該做的態度"},{"start":5469.642,"end":5498.906,"text":"那還是回到我們今天是總預算的朝野協商我敦請院長我們已經忍受了一年了敦請院長全世界哪一個民主國家的發言是沒有時間限制的請告訴我請告訴我那是不是每次一個人的獨白一天的會議就沒有了而且剛剛講到是不是啊大家現在談統三要三多少額度"},{"start":5501.136,"end":5528.967,"text":"這也是柯總召提出來的我都沒有發言 我們都敬表尊重因為這是你的看法接著下來又回馬槍他國防預算可以捅三嗎 潛艦可以捅三嗎無人機可以捅三嗎我們彷彿是格式啊才半小時前柯總召自己講的半小時以後他才來否定這個東西說怎麼可以捅三那我們實在聽不懂了前後也不對題啊"},{"start":5530.66,"end":5556.623,"text":"那所以說我們還是回到說我們主案的來審查尊重各個委員的提案這才是一個國會議員該做的事情我們早以前該做的事情好不好 謝謝我們請黃國昌總召請二人發言謝謝主席喔我還是針對事情先從頭到尾可能要做一些清楚的理解剛剛柯建民總召在離場的時候"},{"start":5558.838,"end":5575.078,"text":"他指責在場其他黨的代表是跳樑小丑賣國跳樑小丑賣國我們沒有辦法接受這樣子抹紅的謾罵我們現在是在進行黨團協商"},{"start":5577.864,"end":5598.279,"text":"先對總預算進行黨團協商啊堂堂執政黨的總編總召指著其他黨團的代表說我們都是跳梁小丑在賣國請問這是什麼態度啊可以這樣子嗎第二個就是論事來談"},{"start":5601.032,"end":5624.609,"text":"軍事裝備及設施我相信每一年我們編國防預算軍事裝備及設施當然都很重要每一年都很重要2019年的時候那個時候最緊張也很重要2020年也很重要2021年也很重要"},{"start":5626.102,"end":5654.984,"text":"結果剛剛柯建民總召他把他們黨團幹部抹紅為了要辯護他們抹紅在野黨這一種不實的言論說今年不一樣那奇怪了那代表是過去這幾年曾經被統三的軍事設備裝備百分之五到百分之三過去這十年那些錢都不重要"},{"start":5656.53,"end":5685.269,"text":"我們現在不是在講統三百分之五十或百分之七十或百分之九十的軍事設施欸百分之三欸百分之三欸我們提案欸從過去歷年統一的標準最低的百分之三提案結果竟然被我們執政黨的立委抹紅成什麼中共的在地協力者喔可以做這種事喔可以做這種事喔"},{"start":5686.69,"end":5709.503,"text":"什麼叫做中共的在地協力者那我就要請教啊過去這十年贊成統三的全體立法委員是不是全部都是共匪還是全部都是匪夷諜在堂堂的國會殿堂上面對其他的在野黨按照以前的前例所提出來統三的議案可以這樣抹紅喔可以這樣抹紅喔那這個就印證到 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那沒有關係啊我們就從星期五早上九點鐘開始直接就進場處理了然後處理到下禮拜二剛好有三個整天的時間可以做處理嘛因為我們上次在學商結論的時候已經講得很清楚了沒有重複表決這種事喔"},{"start":5855.08,"end":5883.253,"text":"沒有重複表決這種事白紙黑字都簽了今天我們是本於善意坐在這一邊參與協商但我坐在這邊參與協商我不是坐在這邊讓你抹紅指著我的鼻子說我是中共的在地協力者按照以前的通歷3%是中共的在地協力者講這種話會不會太過分啊"},{"start":5889.855,"end":5898.107,"text":"兩位黨團的幹部,國民黨團跟台北黨,針對星期六星期天加開草野協商,同意還是反對?這個還沒講"},{"start":5900.836,"end":5927.963,"text":"院長大家都沒有意見你台灣民眾黨還沒簽嘛台灣民眾黨講得很清楚我現在要徵詢一下還沒有簽所以我才問嘛不是啦我是呼應啦剛剛柯建民總召所以我才不簽嘛院長你提出來的是禮拜六禮拜天來協商嘛但柯建民總召剛剛離場的是說不用協商我們直接來處理嘛那我為什麼沒有簽完全呼應他的說法所以我提議啦星期六星期天"},{"start":5928.983,"end":5943.942,"text":"星期六星期天就加開院會直接處理要不然剛剛柯建民總召很擔心嘛大家一直按表決器時間會不夠星期六星期天就開院會來處理我不會同意你發言你等一下你先讓我處理開會的時間我等他講完我要講"},{"start":5948.847,"end":5971.277,"text":"因為那個剛才黃總召我給你報告柯總召的意思是說如果要表決他接受如果要協商之後大家達成共識他也接受他不是說只有單一他有說到兩次所以現在星期六星期天要不要加開朝野協商關於這個提案大家同意不同意我們先確定這個再發言好請"},{"start":5975.263,"end":5994.818,"text":"星期六星期天喔 要加開院會這件事情加開草野協商就沒有必要啊 就按照剛剛K建民的發言完全沒有必要啊院長他反對啦 好啦院長他反對 那我們就趕快協商吧好 我們先休息十分鐘院長 您再怎麼休息 等一下讓我來讓"},{"start":5996.26,"end":6014.767,"text":"你不要跑啊 何柏峰在講瞎話嘛 自己講是自己表決的啊你現在要咬我 你老是講...短一個人講了一個小時你有沒有尊重其他開會的人啊柯總統你有沒有尊重其他開會的人啊"},{"start":7703.274,"end":7719.357,"text":"好,謝謝,歡迎各位黨團幹部請坐柯總召,來,你在,我已經看到,來,好,小心小心,走路小心好,謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐,剛才在休息前我們柯總召有舉手要求發言你,你,拜託拜託拜託,黃狗黃狗"},{"start":7733.197,"end":7735.558,"text":"我們請柯總召發言院長各位委員同仁針對程序性問題各黨都有發言"},{"start":7761.977,"end":7789.161,"text":"那副總召黃總召發言要反逼我,當然我要回應發言那反映黨也知道這個道理首先我要對於副分級總召講一句話我曾經跟你講過你要限制我開會發言的時間,除了你把我打死黎明而死,不末而生"},{"start":7790.663,"end":7803.243,"text":"你說全世界沒有一個國家沒有限制每一個國家都有限制只有一個國家已經講錯了只有一個國家在中國限制發言的時間限制發言"},{"start":7804.747,"end":7825.598,"text":"你知道美國最有名的叫Free BusterFree Buster是什麼就是說你可以去發言你從你站起來走到發言台然後到開始發言都不能中斷所以從站起來走到發言台就開始太空漫步"},{"start":7827.58,"end":7842.128,"text":"三進三退,這樣都搞了一整天然後呢,站上去發言的時候,這個是不可以中斷你說不可以停,停就不可以了所以曾經有人講過,這樣都搞了一個禮拜"},{"start":7845.959,"end":7869.732,"text":"這是民主的展現所以只有 不容易看人出來所以只有中國限制發言 不能發言 全部舉手表決就像我們韓院黨主持兩次的議會所以很多事情都亂講 都亂說所以你們是在實踐民主 我們要反民主"},{"start":7874.634,"end":7900.475,"text":"你們是假民主,然後再反民主各位,從立法案這一屆開始我們忍受韓院長以及你們這一干人等這樣的柔韻然後踐踏國會,沒收國會你們先5月17號國會改革方案"},{"start":7901.673,"end":7913.417,"text":"假改的話你先擺在占領主義台占領主義台以後然後黃國昌在直播那種靜笑臉孔現在有點消瘦然後呢就"},{"start":7919.639,"end":7946.444,"text":"用典型表決這個誰發明的請周恩來你要解釋一下可以這樣搞嗎我在立法院30年來30年來從沒有看過這樣的東西這種叫民主嗎沒有人說時間到也不協商也不能委員會也不能講話沒人說要到議會一個月到就表決要表決的時候也沒有先協商違反議事規則"},{"start":7949.845,"end":7976.657,"text":"68條,直接寫了68條68條是院長存在最重要的一個條文當有議案或是糾紛解決的時候院長必須怎麼樣?必須主動來處理另外一個,有黨團行動給院長,院長也要處理這是一晚所有能夠存在的是這個道理王晉民院長的時候是怎麼樣呢?"},{"start":7978.749,"end":8005.87,"text":"一個法案一個法案協商22次那就是使你安全管理法要扣到沒收也曾經我進來的時候第一屆我進來的時候一個法案協商23次使你安全管理法有跟油品自由化的問題所以這個立法案的民主是這樣產生的協商以後"},{"start":8009.522,"end":8036.061,"text":"有捷運,有幾條沒有捷運,就那幾條發言所以才能夠節省時間完全沒有捷運,那就到以後完全沒有捷運,也要簽一個,照意思程序處理這是要簽署的所以它變成怎麼樣?從來沒有捷運,時間到講好幾次都沒有捷運那就全部,所有人都發言"},{"start":8037.668,"end":8060.603,"text":"所以我們在執政的時候,你還記得嗎?農業水域管理,農業水域組織規程要把水域收割國有時候,國民黨反對,期間幾日都不成當然進行一日程序,國民黨每一個都發言我們都接受,喔,發言以後,發言以後什麼?就表決,表決,就訂輸贏輸贏去視線"},{"start":8065.006,"end":8093.279,"text":"就是這樣我們今天也是這樣我們是不是在我們表演給你看過從去年6月4號原住民地方補償的時候我簽署給你們我們表決發言的時候有兩個人所有的事件是不是這樣為了這個事情已經講了講了去年6月份講到現在"},{"start":8094.693,"end":8113.221,"text":"那最近是不是我要建立立法院的文化我們都不讓人家這樣學怕包括書在表決區就哪也不表決你用什麼點名表決點名表決你都跟誰是誰啊所以好像全部都在亂講說誰沒有來誰是點名的啊所以說在這個地方我要特別駁斥"},{"start":8124.042,"end":8149.237,"text":"你看藍白匪憲亂政那結果是要把台灣民主完全掐死嘛我說習近平長命管轄台灣國會,沒收國會沒收民主就是這個道理嘛民主大拉拉的到中國去保護林然後呢回來以後有什麼動作其實喔這個整...院長"},{"start":8151.869,"end":8175.293,"text":"1月13日議委選舉完畢以後,我們就很清楚了所以就,教育黨已經加起來過半嘛然後掌控立法院嘛所以我在1月14日講過一句話,洪國昌那時候說這個中心院長要做國會改革那當院長要不要做室外改革這不是院長職責,院長職責就是議員組織法第三條"},{"start":8179.178,"end":8199.249,"text":"又是你要什麼?你要什麼?你要運輸中立,你不能用黨職這是立法院組織法規定的院長要調和定來,所以他不能用黨職你不能當你黨的主席所以是這個原則所以各位"},{"start":8200.461,"end":8224.022,"text":"要了解法律因為體系的法律 違憲 亂證 而且公然違法程序都不爭議程序不爭議 實質 坦白講是違憲的 是違憲的雖然這個大法官沒有通過但是很多人表示非常嚴正的聲明不同意見書我今天要講的是說國民黨今天實在有夠見色 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