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算力中心是很高端算力中心跟這個總部當然大家選擇要總部啊"},{"start":442.316,"end":456.489,"text":"誰會希望自己用的是一個高耗電高用電的椅子但沒錯都是好啦但是相較能選擇當然大家要的當然都是總部都是研發中心誰會希望自己的是算力中心這個"},{"start":457.25,"end":486.196,"text":"台積電製造廠他一定要在有電所以我希望曾警長先是同步要去思考同步請 不打同步思考要不你要讓用電量發電量大的城市感受到政府在鼓勵的力道上是大的讓企業進去的力道是大的那這樣子當然就會覺得對我發的電多我是為我的儲備有更多電力讓更多產業進來那這樣就有感 人民就會有感那如果沒辦法做到這一點的話那你的差別天價就要思考"},{"start":486.536,"end":512.436,"text":"你要讓真正為國家付出這麼多電的他有感受到我付出這麼多我有沒有得到政府的公平的思考我們再來講你看六都的電力裡面的自給率高雄是第一名桃園第二台北是最低的台北1.4%而已但是所有的總部所有的所有東西都是幾乎到台北去了這樣是嚴重的不公平包括在統籌分配款裡面我們看台北拿到了400多億台北拿到400多億六都最多"},{"start":513.337,"end":538.851,"text":"中南部反對相對都是少的所以在這種失衡不公平的狀況下的時候一定要用各種方式讓人民感受到我們政府有在思考一個公平性的原則如果在電力上面的時候大家電力不斷是中南部供應電力然後北部在做使用但是電價卻全部一樣那投資多數都集中在北部的時候那中南部鄉親的感受怎麼會好呢所以我希望"},{"start":539.491,"end":562.686,"text":"要整體去思考 我也希望差別另一件事情經濟部跟台電要納入思考我當然知道這是一件很不容易的事情但是唯有思考的時候你們才會認真去對待這件事情才認真去思考著不應該讓國人民有一塊人是很認真積極的配合國家政策在發電但有一邊的人是我要用電 我要招商 但是我不要發電我希望這件事情經濟部長要審慎思考這件事情 好不好"},{"start":563.98,"end":575.115,"text":"不過我們現在還是優先趕快均衡台灣相關的政策來推動部長 剛剛你講的均衡台灣跟差別電價這兩件事情請你一個月給我一個評估報告好不好給我評估意見 好 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