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我們正在研發當中嗎就3D列印的部分是 還沒有進入到市場嘛 是不是在"},{"start":750.245,"end":765.118,"text":"是 委員好 我是整平時事長在明年我們有規劃一個用小批量籌貨的方式去採購3D列印的無人機那買進來之後我們會讓部隊來試用了解它的功性能是不是符合我們的作戰需求等"},{"start":765.945,"end":789.5,"text":"所以我們還是要先引進之後我們先再來研究所以目前還沒有進入到這個研發的階段就對了沒有 我們就直接在現貨的市場上面先現貨市場先買進來才售一些成功的產品那我們現在有一個機制就是用小批量採購的方式那如果覺得可以我們就直接可以進入量產的階段這樣好 謝謝 以上謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}