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對不對我們要大家一起來幫忙柯委員報告因為狗現在是暴獵物徵收然後巡邏然後甚至變成故宮的一個"},{"start":378.75,"end":402.407,"text":"可愛的神獸我們都認同啦但是那個新聞給人家一個不太安全的印象好不好這個請故宮要處理啦那另外這個剛剛提到安全評估這個您有表示啊要做這個不管是三層防護啦強化啦防暴玻璃啦安全評估什麼時候會進行什麼時候可以做升級項目的這個預估完成這個我們隨時都在進行每一次部長"},{"start":402.827,"end":417.62,"text":"那最新的一次會是在什麼時候我們在11月6號進行過今天下午會再一次演練10月10號會進行第二次演練17號的話會進行南北宴的一個前宴的演練"},{"start":418.26,"end":442.765,"text":"好 謝謝院長這個接下來真的是要請大家多多關注這個國寶真的是要靠各位來守護另外也和您討論故宮正在進行百年願慶我們非常關心熱門景點的狀態北市熱門景點的前十名第一名是西門町第二名台北101第三名松山文創園區"},{"start":444.265,"end":470.024,"text":"還有華山 台灣科學教育館 政治動物園等等我也很愛去故宮排在第十名 造訪人次沒有突破百萬 98萬院長 我覺得這個本席認為對故宮百年來講 這有一點警訊這個院慶的活動都沒有辦法再造高潮高峰明年後年 故宮還有沒有辦法再去有更多吸引人的亮點"},{"start":472.464,"end":492.845,"text":"跟委員報告 因為今年的話 我們預期的目標會達成 沒有問題很好 院長 那我打斷你我們已經幫你們整理了 目前的這個 一共到九月份事實上一月 三月 八月 九月 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院長我沒有這個意思喔我沒有這個意思喔院長我沒有這個意思喔你們現在的是什麼他主要的工作是典藏 保存 修護 研究 分析衍生內容 創意 加值 展覽 設計 觀眾服務學術交流 教育推廣 數位學習國際合作和其他有關事項以及配合業務需要辦理的行政業務相關活動發表職務有關是學術研究"},{"start":867.742,"end":897.211,"text":"之於他還要來協助專業策展我們講的是專任策展人他並非不能做其他的事是說他以策展為主要的專任院長我想我們不要在這裡做這樣子的一種文字上的我沒有那個意思所以不要誤會我好不好我希望院長可不可以兩週內提出故宮人力盤點的報告以書面方式提供給我們我們一起來爭取好不好"},{"start":897.591,"end":912.749,"text":"可以这个部分的话我可以请我们馆的研究人员他们去思考什么样是一个最好的方式至于说所谓的一个人一年策集展的话基本上来讲的话那是协助策展"},{"start":913.65,"end":934.899,"text":"因為策展是一個團隊如果一個人策展的話基本上來講你要做一個展覽沒關係那你器物要找誰你書畫要找誰院長你文獻要找誰都是一個現在北院一共有42位南院有11位53位的研究人員都在輪流擔任策展者沒有錯那這些人的工作"},{"start":935.359,"end":963.499,"text":"我是希望具體提出希望故宮來討論一下當他們專心在策展的時候你總有一個主策展人吧你總有一個幾個主策展人嘛那你協助策展的人那平常的工作是不是能夠協調一下去減少他們的行政輸入的負擔我想我們的任務是一致的我們要不只您幸福啊故宮也要幸福故宮的專業人員也要幸福這您同意吧"},{"start":964.209,"end":984.129,"text":"我同意 我同意但是这样的保管运作机制的话其实全世界都有院长 是不是委员有说你们盘点人力做一份报告给他办公室你们再来讨论说关于我们所谓的人力部署应该做怎样的调整好不好好 谢谢主席好 谢谢院长再麻烦谢谢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}