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他都沒有辦法被拿出來講沒有辦法被論述 那我不太理解我們故宮為什麼要在南院去推出這樣的展"},{"start":441.797,"end":470.386,"text":"跟委員報告這個展覽當然我講說是由英國的學術院贊助然後就是說召集人士都是外國的學者故宮有參與但是這一次在故宮的閉門會議裡面的話就是當然有浦中城有大川就是有幾位原住民的學者然後包括劉玉昌去談述就是台灣這一塊土地它在整個地緣政治上面還有族群的關係這個是有的那展覽的部分的話當然也會有"},{"start":470.646,"end":492.956,"text":"可是我跟委員報告就是故宮無意透過一個展覽的形式然後去牽扯到過多的地緣政治或是一個意識形態的議題因為這樣對一個博物館的運作的話基本上來講的話它會有小麻煩所以我們盡量去做一個協助客觀中立的一個展覽的呈現"},{"start":493.336,"end":515.867,"text":"如果在我們自己的地方做這樣的一個學術展還要去想到說會引來小麻煩我都覺得不太合適我希望院長能夠再思考一下但是我還是要特別的來強調因為故宮南院這幾年我們看到有很多關於本土的一個台灣內容"},{"start":519.149,"end":533.813,"text":"台北故宮這邊我們看得出來其實還是很保持它一定的一個定位跟特色但是我們可以看到我們南苑現在感覺上它的遊客量越來越多"},{"start":534.933,"end":559.406,"text":"那為什麼呢 因為它本土化的內容很接地氣的行銷方式變成了故宮南苑的成功方程式反觀 我們來看一下我們的台北故宮最近網路上也在討論很多人想說 欸 故宮很好 我要去那邊實習但是卻有人抱怨說 故宮太奴了"},{"start":560.146,"end":576.474,"text":"放棄 謝謝 連一點交通費都沒有那我覺得 因為我們現在故宮是我們整個博物館的領頭羊 洞見觀瞻大家會仿效 好就仿效那我不曉得說 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口述影像都有就是沒有國家語言法裡面包含的主語內容耶"},{"start":685.441,"end":699.419,"text":"我不曉得我們的故宮一定要這樣子嗎那麼樣的一個中華化嗎這個部分的話我們跟文化部我們來評估跟那個園民會來評估看看怎麼樣處理"},{"start":701.34,"end":716.682,"text":"我希望啊如果你們說很少其實台語客語你看租界的北部縣區一個人台語一個客語五個華語是五萬多雖然很少你們還是做了那國外的語言"},{"start":718.004,"end":742.75,"text":"你们也是都比照那些大国大族你们也都做了所以我觉得在这个时候看到台湾原住民族语言在国家语言里面缺席我觉得这个部分要深切讨论可以改进希望把改进方案可以提到办公室来好吗谢谢院长谢谢吴立华委员执行"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}