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我當然聽懂了三層的防護"},{"start":275.469,"end":300.658,"text":"第一個就是說我們的故宮延期的入口的話基本上來講的話沒關係院長我剛剛真的有聽懂不然這樣我時間會不夠至於玻璃的部分的話故宮現在玻璃的要求我們有沒有做相關的測試有測試而且故宮還有一個比較特殊的就是有玻璃碎裂的偵測裝置所以基本上來講的話只要玻璃碎裂的話所以我們上次全面檢測在什麼時候"},{"start":301.998,"end":316.382,"text":"我們隨時都在做而且現在的故宮對玻璃安全玻璃不可能隨時啊一定是有一個頻率吧已經到了那個那個那個掌櫃公司做不出來的地步了就是說因為故宮要求太高好的那沒關係我想問一下"},{"start":318.763,"end":337.854,"text":"好那我這樣非常清楚了就是說我們基本上對於文物的保全我們做的是比吾羅佛宮好像似乎還要更全面更完整這樣子那我想這樣就是希望就是我們的故宮可以繼續的保持啦因為畢竟保存的是我們最重要的文物那我接下來要問一個題目就是有關於數位的部分"},{"start":338.795,"end":365.069,"text":"就是說我們在這個故宮過去其實從2002年開始我們就有關注到這個數位轉型的部分所以那時候專注於在文物的保存還有研究以及建立資料庫後來在2011年的時候我們把這個資訊中心納編為教育展之處也就是說我們將資訊科技教育推廣以及展示設計相結合打破了過去的一些內部組織的規劃"},{"start":366.95,"end":386.997,"text":"所以我們就看到故宮的一系列的數位化接下來在2019年我們又再有一次的轉型是把永續的概念把它做一個連結目標是轉向觀眾服務開放使用權以及加值應用以及利用數據分析來理解訪客"},{"start":387.657,"end":406.728,"text":"那我想要請教就是說我們之前呢其實有一些曾經故宮2.0啊捕捉靈光啊的這個新媒體藝術展啊他其實是把我們的西山行旅圖還有翠玉白菜等作數位的演繹那其實我覺得評價其實也都蠻好的效果也很不錯那我接下來想要請教一個問題就是說當我們現在在這個"},{"start":408.309,"end":432.259,"text":"AI世代 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更為報告因為我們最近報了一個計畫然後給行政院我們希望把原來的世衛資訊室改成一個世衛資訊處讓它的功能的話可以有更強的發揮那這個案子還在行政院審議當中"},{"start":554.631,"end":570.586,"text":"了解那我最後再花個一分鐘的時間很快很快就是說我想要拜託我們的院長就是說因為其實國際博物館像是在倫敦自然史博物館或是東京國立博物館都已經進入了AI的導覽甚至還有兒童數位互動平台的一個階段那甚至呢史密森學會"},{"start":571.647,"end":596.721,"text":"他也有這個兒童數位研究部門來開放資料跟教材給學校和AI教育平台使用我們現在是不是有針對兒童或是家庭的觀眾來出或是開始相關的研究去了解如何設計出一個數位互動平台或是導覽的系統因為根據研究發現我們如果可以導入的話孩子停留的時間會更長所以我們現在有沒有相關的進度呢"},{"start":598.282,"end":617.112,"text":"這個部分當然國外的博物館都有在做不過實際上還多是一個局部的一個實驗的性質明年故宮的話就是會有一個AI展廳就是那南葉未來的話也會有一個AI的那個特別的展館這個部分的話我們都有已經在做一個規劃"},{"start":618.072,"end":638.209,"text":"但是我想問的是針對小孩子的部分我們有沒有去對就是所謂的小孩的話畢竟南院其實有非常多的小孩去耶對包括就是小朋友的一個教育推廣我講的是數位互動的部分或是AI導覽的東西我們有沒有類似這樣子如果你們有這些規劃那是不是就可以給我一個規劃的報告數位互動的話"},{"start":639.23,"end":653.868,"text":"數位互動的話基本上是沒有問題,因為事實上我們,譬如說我們那時候的那隻大白馬,然後小朋友畫圖可以上去的話,基本上來講,像類似這樣的數位互動的話,雖然不叫AI,可是已經具有AI的一個實驗性質了。"},{"start":658.311,"end":669.756,"text":"沒關係這樣子好了你給我有沒有任何關於數位跟AI的規劃好不好針對於兒童的部分好不好謝謝OK好謝謝張雅玲委員執行院長請回座接下來請謝榮介委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}