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那這個反推就是在這個項目之一當然本席一再強調因為民眾有知的權利我們也希望國家的安全這是非常重要但是我還是要強調一次一句話 不能說潘朗海也不能把人民當提款機我們一起鞏固國家的安全 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}