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完成投資的家數有幾家投資金額有多少"},{"start":535.779,"end":555.835,"text":"917家總共是投資是超過1.16兆OK那整個比例呢投租廠商來講的時候比例大概佔多少因為報告委員事實上一個投資額大概都要3到5年尤其是中間又經過了這些COVID-19等等一些情況是我理解我理解這部分所以我這邊要講的狀態就是說"},{"start":557.296,"end":574.675,"text":"因為監察院這邊提出來的狀態就是我們的投資的一個廠家的數字跟投資金額大概都只有在五成左右那我們希望能夠提高然後另外一個部分就是針對您剛才有一開始你想講的部分就是說監察院的數字跟我們經濟部這邊的數字不一樣那為什麼會不一樣"},{"start":578.238,"end":599.387,"text":"因為警察員這邊很具體提到就是說他發現在審計當中的時候有25個案子的貸款金額超過他們投資金額的八成以上是我們上線的原本是八成其中有七個案子貸款金額超過投資金額的百分之百有嗎"},{"start":603.375,"end":607.959,"text":"這監察院直接提出來的具體數字我們再查詢以後發現是沒有這樣的狀況那為什麼是監察院錯還是經濟部這邊的數字"},{"start":613.891,"end":637.216,"text":"之前提供的不對還是怎麼樣所以是監察院監察錯了是這意思嗎可能是有些時間上的落差所以時間落差的問題是不是針對這個部分我想說再請部長這邊給本席就是有關於監察院這邊相關的時候我們之後修正出來的數字是什麼樣的情況再給本席一個資料好不好好 謝謝謝謝曾委員 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}