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17億不是一些而已我希望這些問題要不斷的凸顯出來如果沒有講的話永遠都會出現這樣問題佔盡了便宜還認為自己吃虧"},{"start":494.42,"end":520.271,"text":"我再次的強調包括犧牲區域的公平跟環境爭議包括阻礙了整個能源的轉型我認為這都非常不公平環境的成本都是由高雄、由雲林、由台中來承擔比較多的這是不公平的我要再次強調我要求差別電價這件事情要來討論我有認真討論差別電價這件事情的時候才不會占盡了便宜的人還持續的在喊"},{"start":521.496,"end":550.419,"text":"部長 認真思考查別電站這件事情給中南部供電的縣市一個合理的交代好嗎部長 認真思考好嗎我們來思考一下你們要認真思考這件事情對中南部的鄉親們才有價值同時間也才不會不斷的發生這種事情佔盡了便宜還要來這個講這些什麼自己的損失了多少損失了 剛剛講到的損失200多億這部分都還沒跟台北市算台北市的市長竟然還要講這件事情"},{"start":551.82,"end":558.472,"text":"好不好 部長差別定價請要認真思考對中南部的發電限制才是一個公平的事情可以嗎 部長 審慎思考 謝謝謝謝瑞文委員質詢 謝謝部長"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}