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謝謝部長齁王院長再請教你在114年的7月有正式核定中部精密智慧新核心的推動方案要打造中章雲"},{"start":423.755,"end":426.016,"text":"這個是我們在六大區域產業生活圈當中的一環"},{"start":442.544,"end":469.77,"text":"從北到南到離島到東部我們都有相關地方產業跟科技發展我知道 我特別是提到中部這一個因為中部本來是我們精密製造的一個重鎮那我們希望把它加上智慧所以變成一個精密智慧的新核心它原來就是台灣的核心代表院長我看過嘛代表院長要提醒一件事情有針對雲林我的故鄉有提到生化智慧養殖價值鏈這個很好"},{"start":470.45,"end":499.64,"text":"但是內容卻提到要結合地方的特色對的也對發展如斗六花卉產業本時是斗六人我是大陸出席的大陸人我也已經五十幾年了我也聽過大陸有花卉的產業怎麼會有這樣的一個計畫呈給院長 呈給部長中央要核定推動地方發展的這個四項計畫裡面如果連地方的產業都搞不清楚"},{"start":500.509,"end":509.165,"text":"我們希望廣泛的發展智慧農業新興的智慧農業那個內容裡面寫得很清楚那個地方當然不是殘廢啊 也不廢啊"},{"start":512.489,"end":533.07,"text":"所以我只是要提說怎麼會有這樣的一個計畫方案這個草案當時也是要層層的把關嘛 層層的審視嘛 對不對才呈給院長你嘛 但是這個中間就出問題了嘛所以我是一個雲林的在地立委我要具體跟院長提出這個建立的一個修正好不好 請院長聆聽看看2006年的時候 中央"},{"start":534.282,"end":546.193,"text":"協助屏東成立了所謂的農業生物科技園區並訂下120家的廠家進駐到截至今年10月底喔已經116家進駐然後總同資額已經高達186億我為什麼用這個例子來講因為2006年中央在屏東設置農業生物科技園區然後"},{"start":558.049,"end":584.714,"text":"隔了20年 雲林的農業的產值 雲林農業的品質雲林農業相關的基礎 進步的建設不亞於屏東 池地溫同大宗啦 屏東第一啦池地溫同大啦 啊 第一是1就對了啦所有的收購 加起來的顧菜市場一天可以提供全台47的供應量就對了他們屏東有 農業 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可以吧我們大概從今年的3月就是針對全台灣的這些生意園區的這些適合的地點跟適合的產業但年底的時候應該可以有一個比較完整的報告"},{"start":701.139,"end":729.811,"text":"好連底要到連底我就看這個這個農業部提出來的報告之後再就叫我再提供我再提供謝謝好那行政院要推動這個中部精密智慧新核心的推動方案特別強調AI應用嘛就是包括AI的人才的培訓嘛對不對去年的6月11號一樣在垂青台我感謝院長的支持也感謝郭前部長的承諾就是環球科技這個校舍30公頃12棟校舍至今"},{"start":730.526,"end":753.555,"text":"已經承諾也支持但是整個新辦計畫到現在沒有看到進一步的推動部長報告委員因為我們後來有評估過因為整個用的用地因為這個有30公頃但是如果我們用的話可能只有用其中一部分而已現在教育部又說"},{"start":754.434,"end":768.614,"text":"你全部都要用教育 因為它是教育用的用途不能用其他的用途那這樣的話 即便我們進駐以後其他也都是廢話你當過秘書長 你有統合的能力教育部提出這個問題對你來講絕對不是問題"},{"start":770.97,"end":796.137,"text":"用多少的銷售再培訓人力其他部分可以做相關產業的這樣積極的一個部件 布局 人才的培訓部長你的能力絕對有辦法處理能不能加快速度能不能加快速度嘛好不好 我們就加快速度就好可不可以一個月內我們跟教育部來協商一個月內可以啦我時間有限啦 抱歉我剩兩分鐘而已部長就承諾吧一個月內就是未來這個整體規劃啦好 謝謝一個月內好 謝謝最後"},{"start":800.265,"end":815.897,"text":"不好意思,我以為要抽時間,避憾鳳凰來了,宴旨是我安在剛剛我聽到部長有接受到委員的答覆因為今天本部長不在這個地方,我們跟你歡呼說水會濕出來嗎?水滴會進來嗎?布棚會補嗎?不好意思,沒這麼輕鬆,他連不織布都沒有鋪"},{"start":825.515,"end":850.052,"text":"所以我才在衛環也召開一個專案報告我邀請環境部的副署長你不用來備詢了啦你就直接到台中去作證吧全部的規格通通不符合所以不是報判怕賠不是怕鎖底來吃他是不知不作低級技術都沒有用這風太大後來這就中了還是要整個"},{"start":851.385,"end":875.63,"text":"吹噴嚏或是整個都去噴海就對了他不知是什麼我們的頭領,他要勿然跟什麼聽到我們中央有事先的一些預防措施嗎我知道部長陳部長很辛苦在那邊作證但這個事情是不管是農業部有看到環境部也有看到啊鳳凰要來啊這家營業有沒有辦法在那裡安全過關我不清楚啦"},{"start":876.243,"end":899.755,"text":"但是確實他有太多在處理這個處於掩埋完全不符合規劃怎麼應應 簡單幾句話就好我跟委員報告有關於中央應變中心裡面的處於小組的前進應變所現在持續的每一天都在跟地方政府去要求然後看要怎麼樣去改善現在你所看到的這些現象"},{"start":902.128,"end":930.605,"text":"我是要提醒這件事情的原因就是說它不是只有簡單這兩件事情你們在現場你們在移民中心應該知道它完全不照SOP它完全不照規範現在放回來了這幾個隱埋的廚餘的這些地方會不會出問題出了問題的時候中央跟地方一樣都是要面對要去解決要概括承受所以我是最後要跟院長跟部長特別建議廚餘的事情我們要快速的因應"},{"start":931.735,"end":939.841,"text":"台塑可以幫於縣政府收了這麼多的廚餘去做有機會我們為什麼不能擴大量能"},{"start":961.291,"end":961.752,"text":"好 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對、要去解決、要概括承受，所以我最後要跟院長、部長特別建議，廚餘的事情我們要快速的因應，台塑可以幫雲林縣政府收這麼多廚餘去做有機肥，我們為什麼不能擴大量能？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個經驗我們會好好去觀察，是個好的經驗。"],["劉委員建國：我覺得這個事情應該要面對、應該要處理。"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["劉委員建國：況且擴大量能給台塑去處理，相對的讓肥料價格可以壓下來，也是在幫助農民，也是我們的德政啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：這個途徑我們會接觸，我們會往這個途徑來做思考。"],["劉委員建國：院長，一個月內應該可以吧！"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["劉委員建國：好，謝謝院長、謝謝部長。"],["主席：謝謝劉委員，也謝謝卓院長。","報告院會，現在在議場二樓貴賓席的是南非工商臺灣訪問團，歡迎他們到立法院來參訪。","下一位請莊瑞雄委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":180,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-8","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","吳宗憲","賴瑞隆","顏寬恒","林楚茵","賴士葆","黃捷","何欣純","陳亭妃","丁學忠","劉建國","莊瑞雄","李柏毅","林德福","葛如鈞","賴惠員","黃珊珊","林楚茵","呂玉玲","麥玉珍","鄭正鈐","王鴻薇","郭昱晴","吳思瑤","陳俊宇","羅美玲","范雲","李坤城","張雅琳"],"page_start":85,"meetingDate":["2025-11-11"],"gazette_id":"1149101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149101_00004","1149101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第8次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1149101_00005"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}