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其餘合併詢答現在介紹在場官員及列席委員首先介紹委員的部分我們有張志倫委員"},{"start":2095.782,"end":2121.694,"text":"我們高金素美委員王美惠委員蘇巧惠委員黃婕委員我們非本委的朋友我們洪孟愷委員賴思寶委員陳玉珍委員主席官員部分請要介紹我們內政部部長劉思芳部長"},{"start":2125.134,"end":2151.071,"text":"原住民族曾志勇主任委員勞動部政務次長李建宏次長我們為了節省會議時間,剩下就請大家參閱相關的一些資料因為今天我們進行法案的審查,所以我們先進行提案說明的部分首先請洪孟楷委員進行提案說明"},{"start":2157.372,"end":2183.735,"text":"主席今天在場歷史的官員以及我們所有的立法委員感謝我們的召委能夠安排這一次紀念日及節目實施法案的草案修法的討論國定假日屬於文化憲法的範疇具有我國重要文化歷史社會政治等意涵關乎國民的休息權跟自我發展權的實現應該享有法律上制度性保障的地位"},{"start":2184.375,"end":2206.757,"text":"我國現行的國定假日法規定是由行政命令未接的紀念日及節日實施辦法長久以來專由行政機關自行篡定而導致於補班補課之亂實為不妥有立法明定的必要也是讓我們中華民國法治化能夠可長可久台灣整體的勞動工時居高不下根據世界衛生組織與國際勞工組織"},{"start":2210.06,"end":2228.719,"text":"針對長工時的全球研究顯示工時過長容易使人們的生活支離破碎而導致身體跟心靈健康出現問題同時工時的增加人們花在運動休息照顧陪伴家庭等勞動力再生產的時間將大幅下降出現壓力惡性循環"},{"start":2229.6,"end":2245.252,"text":"基於全面降低我國工時的精神本席提案國定假日法草案除現有12天因返還過去為了配合雙週84小時改為單週40小時的工時政策而砍掉的7天國定假日以外"},{"start":2246.311,"end":2268.797,"text":"本期更強調降低法定工時跟砍價是兩件事情因此工時降低單週四十小時之後其實並不需要拿七天假去補週休二日增訂國定假日帶來的效益除了是跟進國際的趨勢還能提升國民投入家庭照護的時間進而帶動家庭分工促進社"},{"start":2269.637,"end":2287.087,"text":"性別平等跟改善少子化的狀況同時更能夠帶動整體經濟的正向發展因此紀念民主發展尊重多元文化以及傳統民俗價值落實國民對休息權的保障本席樂見此次的排審"},{"start":2287.907,"end":2310.537,"text":"即便各委員目前各自版本對於天數、放假名稱有不同的意見跟想法我們都希望草野的委員能夠針對提案來好好的實質進行討論認真地看待本次的修法讓過去排審多次但是卻無疾而終的國定假日法能夠真真正正在本會期有實際的進展"},{"start":2312.358,"end":2336.394,"text":"對國人 對台灣 對中華民國都是可長可久的修法方向以上 謝謝好 謝謝侯孟愷委員接下來我們請張志倫委員進行提案說明主席 各位委員 各位官員 大家早"},{"start":2338.127,"end":2363.842,"text":"非常感謝我們招委今天安排這樣的主題有關於紀念日及節日實施條例草案台灣人一年工時破2000小時根據民調顯示有過半數的民眾支持還勞工7天假也希望在辛勤工作之餘多一些喘息的時間正如本席的紀念日及節日實施條例草案"},{"start":2364.562,"end":2393.048,"text":"包括原住民日、國家防災日、行縣紀念日等應放假一天並針對警消朋友推動警察節、消防節亦可依主管機關規定放假紀念日代表國家的歷史與價值觀如228紀念日、國慶日、解嚴紀念日等這些日子提醒我們過去的重大事件也讓社會能銘記歷史並從中學習原住民日、警察節"},{"start":2394.992,"end":2409.274,"text":"消防節也能體現出我們對每一位國民的重視如果沒有法律保障未來節日可能會因為政府更迭或不同政黨的立場造成更動刪減甚至影響到放假的制度"},{"start":2409.815,"end":2431.747,"text":"立法可以讓這些紀念日更具法律的基礎而確保他們不會被隨意的修改例如勞工放假的安排如果沒有明確規範可能會發生公司與員工認知不一致的情形影響工作與休假的平衡因此透過法律來明定哪些假日應該放假"},{"start":2432.347,"end":2457.069,"text":"如何调整放假能让劳工更安心也让企业有更明确的依据来安排工作此外台湾是个多元包容的社会不同的族群都有自己的传统节日例如各原住民族的岁时忌遗各家传统节日等但这些日子如果没有法律的保障可能不容易被重视透过立法"},{"start":2457.509,"end":2477.331,"text":"能確保這些文化傳統被尊重及傳承讓不同的族群都能在重要日子好好慶祝自己的文化也能促進社會的團結與和諧謝謝好 謝謝張志倫委員提案說明接下來我們請陳玉珍委員進行提案說明"},{"start":2483.275,"end":2509.806,"text":"謝謝主席 各位委員本期提出中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法主要是因為目前我國各項紀念日及節日之名稱日期與放假方法應涉及人民的權利義務關係依照中央法規標準法第五條之規定關於人民之權利義務者應以法律定制但長年以來我們卻一直用實施辦法來規範是有未接過的之餘其次在本期所提出版本之中"},{"start":2510.606,"end":2532.303,"text":"特別增訂823紀念日在當前大家看到現在在戰爭與和平的抉擇關口民心動盪不安之際更顯重要我們可以拿俄烏戰爭當作借鏡這一場戰爭已經打了三年多至今仍未結束但是烏克蘭人民曾經美麗的家園現在已經都變成了斷緣殘壁這段痛苦的歷史記憶"},{"start":2538.948,"end":2553.844,"text":"當年也是有同樣深刻的體驗1958年就是民國47年的8月23日一共有超過47萬發的炮彈落在金門的島上造成金門的軍民死傷無數防射損毀家人"},{"start":2556.787,"end":2582.138,"text":"家園殘破 流離失所最後即便最後是在金門的全國居民一心上下一心共同守衛國家獲得了最後的勝利但這個和平的代價是相當相當可怕而且是可貴的這個歷史不應該被遺忘我們常說只有在經歷過戰爭的可怕才能夠深刻了解到和平的彌足珍貴尤其在這個時候"},{"start":2583.719,"end":2603.098,"text":"臺灣面臨準戰爭的這個邊緣臺澎金馬的這個和平與安全是當年金門全縣居民用生命用家園拼死所務所換來的因此和平紀念日的訂定不僅可以讓全國人民記得當年慘痛的戰爭記憶更重要的是要喚醒大家對於和平的這個珍惜"},{"start":2605.063,"end":2631.833,"text":"我們也了解到這個假日的多寡牽涉到勞資雙方與國家的整體競爭力因此今天感謝召委排審此案一方面將國定假日的方價依據提升至法律位階二方面則期盼是朝野各黨團能夠正視823這段血淚歷史教訓用這場居民同心拼死捍衛家園的歷史團結民心共同捍衛中華民國以上 謝謝各位支持"},{"start":2633.394,"end":2636.467,"text":"好 謝謝陳玉珍委員接下來我們請賴世保委員提案說明"},{"start":2646.623,"end":2656.529,"text":"謝謝主席及格行進那麼謝謝主席派今天這個案子今天這個案子非常重要在過去我們政府的規定有關於國定假日都是行政部門在訂每次我去問人事總處的人事長的時候他一定提給內政部他都說這個內政部決定的內政部長決定的所以今天內政部長來這裡"},{"start":2671.517,"end":2674.04,"text":"這是第一點我要強調的就是今天這麼多的提案這麼多的委員就希望把國定假日法治化可見得這是代表多數的民意我們希望行政部門能夠傾聽這樣的民意那麼第二點我看了一下這個內政部啊回應我的提案啊這裡面講得不清不楚啊"},{"start":2696.181,"end":2698.142,"text":"他這裡面也不敢說絕對的反對我當然就不會贊成我主要還是說要更多的社會的共識整個社會的共識是什麼各位我分兩點來說明第一點"},{"start":2710.148,"end":2732.117,"text":"我們的台灣人的這個每年的工時去年為主2020小時2020個小時在整個來講全世界排第五名在新加坡在亞洲排第二名僅次於新加坡所以台灣是一個過老的地方"},{"start":2733.24,"end":2748.386,"text":"我們的過勞而且看得到過去有過勞死的案子比比皆是都常常看得到有過勞死的現象所以適度的一個增加的放假日其實是有必要當然這個放假日一定是有根據的比如說勞工的訴求勞工一直講還我七天假七天假怎麼來的砍了七天假怎麼砍的因為我們週休二日就砍了七天假"},{"start":2761.487,"end":2774.111,"text":"這個帳很好算這個帳很好算所以恢復勞工的七天假是有必要的另外我第二點要說明的特別要說明的我的草案裡面提了幾個假日但是我特別提一個12月25日的行限紀念日現在的政府只要立法院通過案子一不喜歡呼籲實現暫時處分"},{"start":2787.902,"end":2795.006,"text":"然後賴總統也好卓院長也好開口閉口都是合乎憲法合乎憲法合乎憲法各位我們的大長官最大的兩號人物都在強調這部憲法要合乎這部憲法因此行憲紀念日是何等的重要因為它是國家的大法我們的總統我們的行政院長現在幾乎每天都在處理而且"},{"start":2816.383,"end":2818.124,"text":"行政院長卓榮泰這幾天下相還講了自己講了他是復議的一個院長他根據什麼復議根據中華民國的憲法給他的憲政上的權力所以這個行憲是多麼重要因此本席在我的體驗裡面對這個"},{"start":2837.301,"end":2842.865,"text":"我這個就是請了我們的行政長官特別是內政部長其他的假日可能你有些不同看法但是我希望我們大家一致來支持12月25日的行縣紀念日要定成國家的一個假日這是非常非常的重要另外"},{"start":2862.386,"end":2878.055,"text":"那最後一點我們希望五月一號從今年開始就全國放假吧現在五月一號一國兩制只有勞工放假他的家屬如果公務員不放假如果其他的行業服務業也不放假"},{"start":2879.469,"end":2882.692,"text":"這個東西啊這個造成這個其實社會是滿困擾的啦我們所以在此啦我特別是這個拜託內政部長等一下在審查的時候真的體恤民意體恤民意第一台灣人的工時太長第二個"},{"start":2897.424,"end":2904.491,"text":"行縣紀念日絕對有必要恢復第三個這個勞動節五月一號絕對有必要全國放假不分職業不分這個所有的地方謝謝也請各位指教請各位支持謝謝好謝謝賴世寶委員的說明下一位我們請高金素美委員提案說明"},{"start":2928.989,"end":2957.085,"text":"今天是紀念日和節日實施條例草案的提案說明首先增訂國定假日保障勞工的基本權益這是從2000年開始勞工就一直在爭取更好的工時跟休息日但是我們的政府拖延了15年才將工時縮短到每週40個小時卻在同時也取消了7天的國定假日"},{"start":2957.805,"end":2981.039,"text":"劳工成为唯一的牺牲者现在我们大家都在为劳工的基本休息权在发声所以我强烈的要求要恢复七天的假期让劳工得到应该要有的尊重和他们的权利第二个我要谈的是原住民族的岁时计议"},{"start":2982.06,"end":3000.465,"text":"原住民的睡食既以促进全国人民对原住民的文化的尊重还有学习原住民族各族都有各自独特的文化的伴俗还有方式像是阿美族的一粒性大概是五到七天"},{"start":3001.565,"end":3021.101,"text":"還有賽夏族的巴斯達艾艾琳紀大概要30天所以我們從這幾個例子來看它呈現出的是各族不同的文化還有族群關係而這些文化不僅僅要受到保護當然更重要的是要予以傳承"},{"start":3022.242,"end":3035.436,"text":"所以我們在提案當中我們希望各族的歲時祭儀能夠有三天的假期讓我們的族人可以回去來接受文化的傳承"},{"start":3037.498,"end":3056.848,"text":"第三个透过纪念日还有节日我们希望能够让国人了解原住民族的历史还有尊严我大概提两个节日第一个就是在1895年的10月31号我们认为他是原住民族的历史上通日"},{"start":3058.088,"end":3076.681,"text":"當時日本政府發布了日令26號強行的沒收了原住民族的土地這讓非常多的族人流離失所雖然戰後這個命令被廢止了可是土地到現在都還沒有歸還"},{"start":3078.642,"end":3090.617,"text":"這也是原住民族的還我土地運動的根源因此我們認為透過立法將這一天定定為原住民族的轉型正義紀念日讓大家來正視這段歷史"},{"start":3096.064,"end":3112.444,"text":"同时在1914年的6月26号泰鲁格族成功的击退了日军这也是抗争精神的象征所以我们希望也透过这一次的立法定为"},{"start":3113.626,"end":3127.408,"text":"6月26号为原住民族的抵抗日让原住民族继续来为我们自己的土地的正义继续的奋斗最后我提的转型正义"},{"start":3128.632,"end":3132.634,"text":"紀念日還有傷痛日因為還沒有過復育期所以在逐條審查的時候我希望請在場的各委員們還有機關能夠支持我的提案尤其園民會"},{"start":3145.66,"end":3159.885,"text":"能夠讓法案順利的出委員會並且在三讀通過後來實質的保障憲法賦予每一名勞工還有原住民族的權益以及尊嚴謝謝謝謝高金素美委員現在我們請翁曉琳委員進行提案說明"},{"start":3177.356,"end":3203.751,"text":"主席在座的各位官員各位委員各位媒體先進大家好到底哪些節日該紀念哪些節日該放假是影響人民生活的重要議題然而呢在過去紀念日跟假日都沒有經過代表民意的立法院來討論而是由執政的政府呢來"},{"start":3204.992,"end":3229.098,"text":"进行自行决定导致与人民的期待产生落差目前纪念日及节日的实施办法是早在民国43年就已经制定了那么期间虽然经过多次的修正但是每逢要增修或是删减假日和纪念日常常会引起社会的讨论以及纷扰"},{"start":3229.838,"end":3248.606,"text":"因此多年来国定假日法制化的呼声向来没有停过而是积极的诉求必须要将这个实施办法法制化那么这个就是攸关所以这次我们诸多的委员"},{"start":3250.023,"end":3264.166,"text":"希望能够将这个攸关国家重要历史文化纪念族群职业尊严和大众权益的重要事项予以法治化来确保国定假日能够有效的稳定的实施"},{"start":3265.543,"end":3294.002,"text":"那么将本来是属于行政命令未接的纪念日及节日的实施办法提升它的法律未接来制定条例那么让制定纪念日及节日的相关标准可以更加一致因此本席在这里就提出了纪念日及节日的实施条例草案除了维持既有的纪念日及放假日的规定之外本席又提出台湾光复纪念日和行限纪念日"},{"start":3295.123,"end":3297.948,"text":"必須要回復為國定的放假日"},{"start":3299.986,"end":3328.619,"text":"我們知道其實光復節是台灣結束被日本殖民時期被日本的殖民來重回中華民國的懷抱而行限紀念日更是慶祝中華民國進入一個自由民主法治的重要時刻所以光復節與行限紀念日可以說是台灣人民所自豪的民主憲政價值那麼同時也是與台灣緊密連結的一個重要的時刻"},{"start":3329.119,"end":3339.901,"text":"那么民调也显示有超过六成四六成五以上的民众是支持台湾光复节和行县纪念日定定为国定假日的"},{"start":3341.294,"end":3365.943,"text":"那麼在此呢我們也期待所有的委員都能夠支持我們一起來制定紀念日及假日的實施條例一同支持讓光復節與行限紀念日回歸到國定的放假日的行列來讓我們一同紀念進入民主與法治的時代謝謝好謝謝翁曉琳委員下一位我們請林建啟委員提案說明"},{"start":3375.118,"end":3402.475,"text":"主席 各位部會同仁 立院同仁還有在座的媒體朋友們 大家好本席在這邊針對國家紀念日及節日實施法草案來做這樣一個提案說明長期以來我國紀念日跟節日的制度僅依照行政命令在執行缺乏法律的慰藉與制度的穩定導致假期的安排非常的混亂這個調整的一個頻繁讓政策也很容易受到干擾"},{"start":3403.215,"end":3430.223,"text":"那引發社會的不滿跟制度正義的一個質疑因此我們在這邊希望能夠將紀念日及節日實施辦法提升為法律正式的法律已經是一個客戶融款應該要改革的這個方向那這不僅是一個立法技術的問題更關乎我們整個國家公共治理的態度那也就是我們現在要從一個行政便利的狀況邁向法治的保障"},{"start":3431.363,"end":3448.814,"text":"我們必須正視當前假期制度的諸多不公平及不便彈性放假造成了補班的困擾勞動節僅限於特定的職業在放假教師節以及原住民相關的節日沒有受到正式的保障"},{"start":3449.914,"end":3473.394,"text":"顯示制度設計缺乏全面性與公平性國民對於假期的預期應該要建立在比較穩定的法制制度上而不是綿綿依賴行政上的調整內政部應該明確地表態來支持這個法案的立法並說明是不是已經有初步法案規劃以及基本制度設計的原則讓民眾對假期制度討論這麼久"},{"start":3478.516,"end":3499.236,"text":"政府如果還一直停留在這個嚴密的階段很難以回應社會的期待本席主張應該重構一套比較公平也具有文化包容性的假日制度各黨團的版本已經增列出原住民日、823紀念日、教師節、國防日等假期"},{"start":3500.517,"end":3521.393,"text":"顯示社會對於多元價值的一個重視那我們如果只是一味增加假日而沒有整體的評估也會陷於民粹化所以本席在這邊建議內政部應該考慮建立跨部會的一個審議的機制然後比較明確的來評估以平衡文化意義跟社會經濟的影響"},{"start":3523.55,"end":3536.808,"text":"作為原住民族籍的立法委員本席特別強調原住民族日應該納入制度保障這不僅是休假問題而已也是對原住民族的文化與歷史地位的肯定與認同"},{"start":3538.51,"end":3556.777,"text":"根據憲法增修條文國家肯定多元文化假日的制度因為長期被忽略所以原住民族的傳統節令政府應該藉這個機會來正面回應制度化原民遂時忌遺的假期來落實憲政的精神"},{"start":3557.717,"end":3579.915,"text":"此外本席建議增設民族平等紀念日為國定假日象徵族群和平與歷史的反思讓全民共同理解台灣多元族群與歷史文化深化轉型正義的內涵假期不應該淪為只是放假也是我們整體國家的記憶跟社會教育的具體"},{"start":3582.502,"end":3598.249,"text":"體現應承認歷史脈絡與價值傳遞的功能最後彈性放假制度常年引發民怨與勞動困境以及也不是單純行政調整可以解決的所以補班制度的效能低落造成學民的困擾也造成企業的困擾"},{"start":3598.889,"end":3619.595,"text":"所以我們應該把它納入法律架構中來統整設計明確的規範彈性放假與補班的機制使假期的制度比較能夠符合預期與公平內政部不知道是不是可以支持這樣一個法制的方向然後提出比較具體的配套模型才是我們制度改革的一個關鍵"},{"start":3622.096,"end":3650.864,"text":"周上而論紀念日及假日的實施法應該不僅是只有技術立法更應該體現公平文化包容與歷史記憶的整個制度工程期盼內政部能夠正面回應我們一起共同來推動一部真正符合多元社會期待的法案以上 謝謝好 謝謝林倩琦委員下一位我們請台灣民眾黨黨團代表麥玉珍委員進行提案說明"},{"start":3660.049,"end":3681.545,"text":"主席 各位委員及各位嘉賓們 大家早安各國近年來持續調整法定假日制度以符合社會需求與勞工權益保障我國目前的假期規範僅依行政命令"},{"start":3683.305,"end":3706.033,"text":"纪念日及节日实施办法缺杂法律保障保持放假标准不一致例如劳动节为全国统一放假公务人员与劳工适用不同的标准补班制度增加劳工负担削弱"},{"start":3707.293,"end":3724.752,"text":"休假的意義 全球七四朝向增加休假天數 提升休假的彈性各國政府與企業開始關注勞工身心健康與工作的效力"},{"start":3726.368,"end":3739.685,"text":"推動更友善休假的制度良好的休假安排不僅能減少壓力提升工作效率與安全性更能讓勞工"},{"start":3741.607,"end":3762.816,"text":"有更多时间陪伴我们的家人参与社会活动提高生活品质此外休假也能促进观光及消费带动经济发展正地企业离职率吸引人才形成双赢的局面因此"},{"start":3764.497,"end":3770.1,"text":"我們提出紀念日及節日實施條例提升假期制度及法律層級統一國定假日的標準取消補班機制建立彈性休假的制度讓假期更符合社會的需求請各位委員共同支持紀念日及"},{"start":3794.49,"end":3808.458,"text":"節日實施條例草案確保國人享有更公平合理放假的制度提升勞工副職與社會和諧以上 謝謝好 謝謝麥玉珍委員的提案說明繼續我們請牛喜廷召委做提案說明謝謝主席"},{"start":3822.61,"end":3846.391,"text":"這個現行有關於紀念日跟節日的名稱日期紀念或者是慶祝的方式以及放假的規定辦理等等事宜主要是按照內政部訂定的紀念日及節日實施辦法的規定來做辦理但是考量紀念日節日跟實施放假對於國家的發展歷史對於傳統民俗對於社會文化的紀念傳承肯定"},{"start":3847.572,"end":3865.743,"text":"還有放假也關乎全國工商經濟發展以及人民的日常生活其實影響是非常大的也涉及了人民的權利跟義務當然就應該要依照中央法規標準法第五條二款規定以法律的位階來定制也應該經過立法院嚴謹而且充分的審查"},{"start":3866.824,"end":3867.064,"text":"因此本席提案"},{"start":3886.847,"end":3914.546,"text":"透過紀念日及節日實施條例的修法將這個七天假還給勞工新增的七天假國定假日分別為7月15號簡言紀念日8月1號原住民族日9月21號國家防災日9月28號孔子誕辰紀念日也就是教師節農曆的9月9號是我們敬老的崇洋節以及12月25號的行縣紀念日最後是農曆12月28號的小年夜"},{"start":3915.627,"end":3942.663,"text":"這些放假大部分集中在下半年當然就是考量我們的勞工朋友上半年假比較多下半年假比較少的一個狀況當然在這個價別的選擇過程中我們也考量了這個社會的接受度以及政治的爭議不要太高主要我們的初衷很單純讓勞工的朋友有更多時間休息或者是服務業的朋友如果真的要加班你至少要有兩倍工資的這樣子相對好的待遇"},{"start":3943.303,"end":3957.512,"text":"這樣子其實也可以促進服務業的消費經濟發展我們希望整個大院用開放的心態來面對還給勞工七天假的議題這個議案最早被拋出來的時候很多人馬上就扣上了政治意識形態的大帽子"},{"start":3958.493,"end":3985.685,"text":"宣稱什麼威權復辟但我想聽了剛剛的提案說明我想這樣子的指控是多慮的我們不應該用政治的立場跟語言影響勞工休息的機會希望大家可以理性而且秉於事實來做討論我剛剛聽到林倩琪委員的提案說明非常非常她提到一點是非常好的她說要注重公平以及文化包容性今天有非常多的委員提出版本我們會在接下來的討論過程中"},{"start":3987.126,"end":3994.709,"text":"讓大家充分提出意見並且進行討論審核期待這部法案可以順利修正還給勞工朋友應有公道謝謝"},{"start":4011.107,"end":4030.538,"text":"好那麼有關提案說明的部分大概在場的委員都說明完畢那麼我們現在請這個政府相關的部會來做簡單的說明因為兼顧議事的審查我們時間大概抓五分鐘好不好首先先請內政部劉部長事方進行報告"},{"start":4037.659,"end":4056.453,"text":"主席各位委員女士先生大家早今天內政委員會召開會議就大院委員所提案的紀念日及節日實施條例草案進行審議那代表內政部向貴委員會提出報告那請各位能夠多多指教也謝謝各位關心我們夜館的相關議題"},{"start":4057.774,"end":4085.206,"text":"现行有关于纪念日及节日的实施办法系规范纪念日及节日的名称日期纪念或庆祝方式及放假规定整事宜对于相关法律完成立法之前为全国所应遵守的方向那目前各位委员所研提的提案呢共有26个版本那内政部的意见如下第一法案名称有七种立法的主轴有两个"},{"start":4085.546,"end":4100.881,"text":"一個是以國定假日為主軸另外一個是以紀念日及節日為主軸後者將能凸顯紀念日及節日的重要意涵那關於紀念日的節日這名稱定定或刪減、減減都有不同經過我們針對上述的26個版本的一個統計紀念日一共有33種節日則多達8種"},{"start":4111.291,"end":4136.207,"text":"那委員所提的應增加的放假日從一天到九天都有第二在放假日的日數部分現行全國紀念性的放假全國性的紀念日及節日的放假日有11日並繼週休二日全年總放假日數已經達到115天到116天符合立法院在"},{"start":4136.787,"end":4159.384,"text":"民國89年公務員服務法修正的附帶決議且為歷年來本部會同相關行政單位及各界的共識各個委員對於紀念日及節日放假日數的提案少者12日多者達20日考量紀念日及節日的放假為全國一體適用調整與否應該總體來評估另外對於部分委員提案"},{"start":4163.607,"end":4190.334,"text":"将上班日配合放假日调整纳入草案中规范但是考量上班日涉及各行各业的运作要求公司部门分别由行政院人事行政总处及劳动部依各该主管规定来办理目前除了劳动节、军人节及援助民族岁时祭仪之外全国纪念日及节日放假日已经趋于一致"},{"start":4190.934,"end":4217.386,"text":"纪念日及节日的实施所涉层面甚广如果各位委员提案可以充分讨论的话才会解决现在意见分层要拟据共识会有规划上面的困难在结语方面现行的纪念日及节日实施办法系规范纪念日及节日的名称日期纪念或庆祝方式及放假规定等六种事宜对于相关法律完成立法前"},{"start":4218.306,"end":4245.186,"text":"為了全國人民應該遵守的狀況之下除了勞動節、軍人節及援助民族碎食祭儀全國紀念日跟節日放假趨於一致紀念日及節日實施辦法所定之放假日為全國一體適用有關公務員與勞工權益所涉工時休息等勞動條件公務員繫衣公務員服務法以及相關人事法令的規定辦理"},{"start":4246.267,"end":4262.658,"text":"勞工則依勞動基準法即其施行細則及相關規定來辦理其中與紀念日及節日全國一致的性質並不相同但是放假日多寡影響甚巨那在上個會期的時候呢大院的委員會也曾經舉行公聽會"},{"start":4264.599,"end":4285.407,"text":"當時的學者還有各個不同層面的代表也是一樣沒有共識所以我們應該從國家的整體利益綜合評估做最適當的規範以上的說明有關紀念日及節日的實施因為所設層面甚廣各個委員的提案意見分層希望能夠凝聚共識之後再討回規劃簡單報告 謝謝好 謝謝劉部長接下來我們請"},{"start":4293.396,"end":4300.652,"text":"原住民委員會曾祖偉志勇進行報告針對遂時記憶的部分可以說明一下謝謝"},{"start":4303.402,"end":4323.652,"text":"主席各位委員那嚴明會就針對碎石記憶的部分跟各位委員報告那本次有20個委員提案將原住民族日提升為國定紀念日那我們本會是樂觀齊成那還有一個是修正原住民的碎石記憶放假三天那我們"},{"start":4327.899,"end":4348.829,"text":"這陣子都有提到那麼有三點很重要就是說我們很多的原住民他的另外一半他沒有原住民的身份所以這個難以就是說這個同行來參加我們原住民日還有就是說後假的日數太少就只有一天那我們大部分的這個歲時計"},{"start":4350.51,"end":4370.918,"text":"都大概是要超過三天所以主委回去很難以參與部落的這個完整的這個祭典程序不利這個文化傳承的發展最後如果能夠全民統一放假更有助於整體社會落實文化平衡還有促進多元的共融"},{"start":4371.818,"end":4396.152,"text":"那還有一點就是順時計由各部落決定之後報請主管機關來公告這點因為我們現在整個原住民的部落超過700多個我們是建議應該要橫走實際部落的情形我們是不是可以考慮以族情為提報的單位那以上是我簡單的報告 謝謝"},{"start":4399.226,"end":4406.243,"text":"好 謝謝我們曾志勇主委再來我們請勞動部李政事見諷報告"},{"start":4415.481,"end":4441.614,"text":"是 主席 各位委員 大家早老闆部在這邊應邀來委員會來提供本部的一些法制意見第一點 這個紀念日跟節日的就國定假日訂定是考量整個國家文化跟歷史傳承這是一個全國一致性的事務所以那現在已經是統籌由內政部所管的紀念日和節日的這個辦法來管理那"},{"start":4443.055,"end":4459.653,"text":"有关劳工的部分劳基法37条有规定内政部要锁定应该放假的纪念日节日劳动节还有其他中央住宅机关指定放假的国定假都应该放假这是第一点第二点劳动部认为"},{"start":4460.774,"end":4478.484,"text":"台灣的各行各業營運模式都很不一樣有的行業沒有辦法中斷它的營運特別是在假日時間人來要服務譬如說運輸業或者有一些醫療院所甚至一些公用事業還有部分輪班制的製造業他們都是要"},{"start":4479.204,"end":4505.417,"text":"通常要長時間輪班來工作那要全年的保持運作來符合公眾大眾的需求可是相對有一些行業呢他在一般民眾在例假日或假日休息的時候有一些行業他卻必須要持續工作比如說觀光旅宿業或百貨業所以呢在不同各行各業不同的營運模式的情況下呢如果要訂"},{"start":4506.317,"end":4526.3,"text":"全國一致性的國定價要更多的國定價的話呢這時候就會出現某些行業的特別是輪班勞工他在試用上的問題那照現在勞基法39條規定呢如果雇主在休假日還要求勞工來出勤工作勞工也同意的話那麼這時候勞工"},{"start":4527.661,"end":4553.646,"text":"可以獲得雇主支付的雙倍工資那麼另外勞基法細則23條之一也規定勞基法37條所定的國定假日還有勞動節等休假日如果遇到勞工原本排班就是例假或休息日的話就應該補假但是呢細則裡面特別規定這個補假日應該由勞資雙方協商決定所以呢如果"},{"start":4554.306,"end":4573.719,"text":"如果未來這個我們訂了這個國定假日還有紀念日的一個法制化的條例那規定了一致性的全國一致性的這個補假日或補班日恐怕會導致有部分行業在適用上勞工部分行業適用上的困難這第二點意見第三點呢我們很多"},{"start":4575.04,"end":4602.063,"text":"各委員所提的各種版本都希望把內政部現在所管的紀念日節日時辦法法制化雖然這一個主管機關是內政部勞工部原則上是尊重內政部的職權但是勞工部基於勞工的需求和期待所以勞工部近期也都持續和內政部還有相關部會甚至行政院來交換意見反映勞工的一些團體的意見"},{"start":4603.604,"end":4625.539,"text":"那有關要不要調整國定假日呢我們勞動部建議應該通盤考量各種行業各種職類的一個各種領域工作的需求特別是勞工的一些團體的期待那麼兼顧一致性跟公平性的原則下來通盤檢討討論我們最後還是尊重主管機關內政部意見謝謝好謝謝次長"},{"start":4630.646,"end":4660.046,"text":"那其他單位的報告我們就請委員自行參閱然後我們刊登公報做記錄來現在進行詢答委員在詢答諮詢前遠離做幾點宣告第一個本會委員發言時間6分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員發言時間5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記第二今天因為法案處理本次會議就不處理臨時提案請問各位有沒有意見"},{"start":4661.667,"end":4667.571,"text":"沒有沒有好謝謝那我們現在進行詢問請登記第一位的蘇巧慧委員發言好謝謝主席我們請內政部劉部長劉部長有請"},{"start":4688.361,"end":4704.639,"text":"蘇媛早部長好那我們今天是要來審查紀念日及節日的這個實施條例那希望能夠看是不是大家都有共識要把它從辦法調升為法治化那其實在這個排案審查之前社會上已經討論很久部長這個案子大概討論"},{"start":4706.055,"end":4721.471,"text":"多早年多久非常久民國90年之前那時候內政部曾經提過有總共三次那也沒有共識然後在立法委員已經經歷過五屆所以您當時也參與過討論也有參與過討論但是也都是沒有共識所以那個時候的困難點是什麼"},{"start":4725.695,"end":4744.344,"text":"我想困難點是這樣子大家都知道說假日或是國定假日或是節日它是綜合在一起的它裡面討論說有比較嚴肅性的假日譬如說228但是也有百公百業但是也有性別譬如說三八婦女節那有人跟我提到在網路上面有提到說那1111光棍節要不要放假"},{"start":4744.704,"end":4753.451,"text":"所以大家的版本都不一樣大家的提案的理由都不一樣都不一樣現在也是這樣嗎也是這個樣子因為我們剛剛其實上個會期也開過公聽會嘛所以從90年開始我們就討論這件事情但是一直到現在包括上個會期我們才剛剛開完公聽會也還是這樣沒有辦法有共識說哇我們就是有幾天已經得到全社會的支持大家都同意放假了是這樣的狀況嗎還是目前其實我非常想要說"},{"start":4773.908,"end":4798.758,"text":"我想委員非常的清楚假日節日這個部分要怎麼放假其實我們都會尊重不管是族群性別或是其他的百工百業但是要不要放假這個事情就事涉多元如果是屬於公務員放假的話是我們行政院的人事行政總處在每一年的年底的時候公佈下一年度的放假日但是事涉到私人的比如說公司行號的放假的部分的話"},{"start":4799.258,"end":4814.59,"text":"它就必須要符合勞動部的這些勞基法或是放假日所以其實是兩個層次現在是所有的把它都放在一起的時候就會變成有點混亂也就是造成學者所說的沒有辦法凝聚共識也就是說其實這個議題來講雖然我們講的是紀念日和節日但是其實回過頭來我們要處理的是當我們能夠確認紀念日和節日的意義能夠得到共識就這個意義價值得到共識之後"},{"start":4827.74,"end":4841.657,"text":"那我們再去處理要怎麼來紀念或放假放假只是形式之一而已可以這麼說嗎對 它是一種放假是一種形式之一所以應該是寓意的重要性要先能夠凝聚共識這是第一個層次大家先討論好是不是"},{"start":4843.479,"end":4866.887,"text":"都同意有這一些紀念日成為國家制定的然後再來決定它的形式到底是要放假還是不放假或有其他的紀念方式我看現在的辦法也有我們就是要升旗啊或者是什麼啊有些紀念日是單純這樣所以紀念日的紀念形式有多種不同的狀況然後才是有這個放假只是其中之一兩種不同的層次好那我們就來所以這件事情"},{"start":4871.789,"end":4897.806,"text":"被處理的狀況其實最重要就是剛剛說的第一層次共識的部分那我們來看其實我們以亞洲好了我們就先侷限在我們的歷史脈絡比較相近的文化風俗比較相近的亞洲來看好了其實不管是日本、韓國、新加坡都會有不同的假日我發現他們其實都是依照自己的歷史背景或文化去制定那我以我們比較接近的新加坡好了"},{"start":4898.126,"end":4900.907,"text":"為什麼新加坡我會說它比較接近呢因為新加坡也是華人馬來人印度人及其他歐亞裔的血統這樣組成的一個國家所以它的文化非常多元以至於它的假日就非常多元它的假日裡面你看看它有這個以宗教為放假日的狀況"},{"start":4917.375,"end":4935.888,"text":"也有因為是種族族群的不同而產生不同的狀況但綜合起來它其實是平均分布這樣的狀況部長這個新加坡的您應該在處理這個案件的時候法案的時候也有看過吧有但是宗教為主的部分也有人做報告是"},{"start":4936.368,"end":4945.716,"text":"但是他宗教其實等於是配合了族群的不同嘛因為他的不同族群產生的不同的宗教這樣的狀況好那如果回到我們的狀態來講的話呢其實剛剛也聽到非常多偉文的說明你就可以看出有些人是從宗教出發有些人是從族群出發有些人是從歷史來出發部長你有統計過這一次大家所有的提案狀況上面我們總共"},{"start":4962.27,"end":4989.675,"text":"如果全部都採納的話我們要增加多少的假日紀念日嗎有26個提案你有沒有剛剛提到了最少是增加一天那最多是增加9天這個是紀念日的部分沒有所有的提案所有的提案就是紀念日跟節日就是剛剛所說的有族群的方面的也有百公百業的也有宗教方面的也有因為是歲時祭儀譬如說這個農曆新年等等這些所以加在一起就是最多有達到9天好"},{"start":4991.295,"end":4998.397,"text":"所以部長其實這個數字是遠超過現在的狀況那如果把這個九天的假期全部都開始放進去了的話對我們的社會現在的狀況你覺得影響是不是也應該一併提出來讓大家能夠了解之後我們才決定說是不是這一些假期都有辦法去處理"},{"start":5012.06,"end":5032.134,"text":"是 謝謝委員的垂詢有關於那個各個委員所提出放假日的部分因為很難就說做他們如果多放假九天的話會造成什麼的影響但是就我所了解應該就是說在勞動方面像我剛剛說的如果放假日的話全國的軍公教大概都會是一樣譬如說多放九天"},{"start":5032.654,"end":5053.243,"text":"但是對於在私部門裡面尤其是在勞工勞動或者是公司行號企業文化裡面他們能不能承受說多放9天的時候有一些什麼樣子的影響那這個部分因為委員的提案因為26個委員提案裡面他們也沒有提到這方面的評估所以我們就很難去評估到後續的影響在哪裡"},{"start":5053.843,"end":5069.676,"text":"我想這樣今天各個委員從剛剛提案說明就已經這麼多人等一下每個人也都會問我想問的核心價值不外乎是剛剛提到兩個第一個就是我們對這些節日紀念日的價值意義是不是有共識才不會出現像這一次我們雖然在放228紀念日但是你看坊間這個出現在電視媒體上面的或者是我們的社群網路上面是什麼是歡慶228228是用來這樣歡慶的嗎"},{"start":5083.728,"end":5106.166,"text":"228可以放假228可以去做休閒的活動這沒有問題但是在這之前社會是不是對228的這個意義放假紀念日的意義能夠有理解這就等同於是剛剛我聽到比如說823紀念日我也覺得這個紀念日很好啊但我想823紀念日真正的精神應該是在反共是在守護民主這個有沒有能夠提到"},{"start":5108.408,"end":5117.032,"text":"行限紀念日 對啊 行限很重要啊但你是不是能夠在國會裡面作為一個堅守憲法的立法委員能夠堅守我們目前的中華民國憲法五權憲法體制這樣子的一個政黨那我就覺得這是不是也才是行限的真諦是不是應該搞清楚這個我們這些假日"},{"start":5131.838,"end":5142.304,"text":"它的意義再來提出我們要怎麼樣去實行這個假日這個節日紀念日這樣的方式所以我認為其實今天我們會花非常多的時間在處理這些意義的部分我相信我期待我們能夠有共識不過我認為在這個部分來講"},{"start":5151.65,"end":5171.542,"text":"可能從90年到現在大家都必須要把所有的台灣的歷史脈絡做深刻的檢視之後才有辦法決定哪一些是真正的共識否則那只是造成各行各業更大的困擾而已我認為部長今天在這裡麻煩你在後面的委員追尋的時候能夠一一的說明這樣子的部分是謝謝委員謝謝主席好謝謝蘇巧惠委員的質詢下一位我們請"},{"start":5181.771,"end":5198.047,"text":"張志倫委員質詢好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員各位媒體先進大家早是有請劉世芳劉部長劉部長有請"},{"start":5203.875,"end":5214.1,"text":"委員早部長早部長新的會期第一次質詢希望未來大家一起加油首先我還是要請教部長有關於時事題根據賴總統3月12號的記者會"},{"start":5220.424,"end":5243.425,"text":"跟部長請教其實兩岸宗教團體交流應該要建立揭露的制度這樣子的一個做法是否多此一舉會變成變相鎖國的一個問題要跟部長請教其實宗教交流原本是很單純的活動那宗教也是憲法賦予人民的基本權利可是賴總統的記者會有提到"},{"start":5243.965,"end":5269.742,"text":"他說中國藉由兩岸交流對社會統戰威脅的 滲透的威脅只是內政部 就就是方部長您要建立宗教團體等公益組織赴中國交流之揭露制度以防渡中國的干預及統戰那其實宗教團體在賴總統的這個新聞記者會之後其實就已經提出嚴重的這個反彈他認為說其實這樣子"},{"start":5272.404,"end":5300.151,"text":"是變相的鎖國那教育界也是還是鼓勵這個學子要多多交流那我想請教就是說部長你在1月17號在宗教私務諮詢委員會的會議中也表示兩岸宗教交流要秉持對等尊嚴的原則那請問現在您的對等原則的定義是什麼有沒有現在的交流真的有像賴總統講的有需要有受到中國的甘雨局統戰嗎"},{"start":5302.792,"end":5322.183,"text":"謝謝謝謝委員的垂詢我想我的立場都沒有改變對等尊嚴還要加上健康有序那目前內政部在處理兩岸的宗教團體的交流的時候呢如果他是團體性的交流那當然他是要登記要申請為原則我想張委員非常清楚我們上個月我們中國佛教會的這個理事長才剛剛原籍"},{"start":5328.607,"end":5352.387,"text":"那個時候呢他們有邀請這個中國的大山裡面的很多長老到台灣來參加這樣子的原籍的法會的時候所申請的每一位我們都讓他通過到台灣來沒有問題所以健康有序的部分只要他是屬於宗教團體而且是正信不是正信不是邪教的話我們都會完全的尊重而且都沒有問題"},{"start":5353.107,"end":5357.753,"text":"但是重要您聽我再給我幾秒鐘的時間但是重要的部分是我們台灣有一些團體也是宗教團體到中國大陸去的時候到目前為止在安全上面仍然出了狀況譬如說台灣有一貫道還有統一教的幾個教友"},{"start":5371.249,"end":5394.698,"text":"到目前為止呢仍然是屬於這個沒有自由跟關押的狀態所以我們所說的對等尊嚴跟健康有序我們很希望說兩邊的宗教團體基於宗教交流的原則我們都是開放的而且沒有任何的限制好那部長那我請教一下初步您這邊內政部有提出相關的揭露制度大概會什麼時候公佈嗎"},{"start":5395.518,"end":5424.02,"text":"那現在宗教團體我想他們最緊張的因為其實就像部長講的現在的交流往來是很順暢的那當然會有一些個案我也希望政府單位要積極的去處理讓保證我們國人的安全那其實宗教團體現在出國其實大家國人出國大概都會經過大概都政府都知道出國的人那到底要怎樣的揭露制度那揭露之後是不是人民現在最擔心的台灣是自由民主國家未來是不是要核准"},{"start":5425.101,"end":5439.258,"text":"才能與大陸交流還是未來以後未來是不是還是只有報備才可以完全沒有所謂的你說說這樣的部分我剛說過了要兩岸要有對等跟尊嚴我們對他們要來的宗教團體其實都是採取開放的態度"},{"start":5440.799,"end":5458.886,"text":"但是我們過去的團體的時候呢到那個地方就完全轉了向就是基於安全的理由所以我們初步呢我們要先清查一下其實以目前我們現在的這個不管是輔導啦或者是其他的服務辦法都是按照現行的這個制度在走"},{"start":5459.633,"end":5481.779,"text":"好所以你的意思是說其實還是按照現行的辦法那如果就是說未來的街鬥制度你剛剛沒有提說現在還在演繹當中有沒有預計公佈的時間我們現在是鼓勵他們是登錄鼓勵登錄用鼓勵的方式登錄的方式鼓勵登錄的方式那街鬥跟鼓勵登錄的方式讓人家知道說你到中國大陸去紅磅正向的法律的時候那有沒有未來要修"},{"start":5485.34,"end":5508.854,"text":"什麼任何的法律跟條例嗎目前沒有任何的法律需要修正好謝謝好那下一個問題今天討論的是有關於政府還給勞動七天假及國定假日的修改的部分然後跟部長說明台灣勞工工時這個一年工時破2000根據民調顯示過半的民宿過半的民眾需要回復七天假那請教部長"},{"start":5509.494,"end":5530.539,"text":"台灣的國定假日相對較亞洲的鄰國較少公使也是在世界排名前段班現在世界第五那根據各委員提案的版本將國定假日提高請問內政部現在有規劃要提高哪一些的假日嗎比如說像之前五一勞動節要統一放假嗎請問內政部的看法是什麼"},{"start":5531.039,"end":5551.569,"text":"報告委員我剛提過了我們在內政部所主導的是紀念日跟假日的實施辦法那是否放假的部分的話還是一樣對於勞工他們自己勞工的權益的問題我認為說勞工的權益的問題應該是由勞動部來主責會比較好好所以現在內政部沒有考慮要增加任何一天的放假日報告"},{"start":5551.957,"end":5563.244,"text":"報告委員那個勞動節5月1號本來就是勞工團體都放假勞工都放假好所以目前沒有好那下一個問題我要請教勞動部的黃師長李師長李師長好謝謝勞動部次長好謝謝次長有請好謝謝部長請休息"},{"start":5583.148,"end":5605.341,"text":"好 請教勞動部次長 就今天討論了很多的這個國定假日的修改主要還是因為台灣的這個勞工的工時增加的太多了而且是亞洲第五名 亞洲前兩名 國際第五名那請教一下勞動部針對降低勞工的工時有沒有規劃的任何的進度跟規劃的任何的報告"},{"start":5606.735,"end":5619.492,"text":"跟委員說明第一那個媒體引用的那個都是所謂台灣勞工的工時全球第五我覺得這個是有點跟事實不一樣跟事實不一樣OECD跟OECD39個國家來比"},{"start":5623.217,"end":5639.903,"text":"那全世界有200個所以你認為台灣勞工的工時沒有太長2030個小時沒有太長全國第六亞洲第二我認為我們當然我們台灣勞工的工時確實還有讓他讓勞工有更多休息時間的那個努力空間那你們有沒有相對應的辦法跟政策嗎"},{"start":5640.816,"end":5665.805,"text":"我們現在就是第一我們勞動部的福祉是多年來都有推動讓企業來申請員工與工作與生活平衡的一些補助計劃那每年都有大概500多件的企業來申請第二就是說在工時政策方面我們也希望能夠透過這個最低工資每年的調整因為很多勞工他是希望能夠多加班然後來多賺錢如果我們把"},{"start":5666.345,"end":5691.953,"text":"所以我們過去這幾年最低工資每年都調整讓勞工的底薪能夠持續提高事實上這個我們認為我們的調查也是有效的事實上在過去在2021年台灣勞工我們的調查大概有46%的勞工還要加班但到去年已經降到36%事實上這一個狀況就我們認為是有它一定的效果是好 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以上好 謝謝張志倫委員下一位我們請麥玉珍委員質詢"},{"start":5907.506,"end":5933.395,"text":"主席好 有請我們內部部長劉思邦部長有請麥委員好部長好請教部長一下我們台灣目前我們的國定假日是有可以放多少天國定假日可以放多少天對啊 目前我們台灣是放多少天目前的台灣的國定假日可以放多少天"},{"start":5938.709,"end":5943.657,"text":"如果週末不算就6日不算的話是11天國定假日就11天覺得這樣子"},{"start":5949.406,"end":5965.838,"text":"會不會太少因為國定假日有很多我們的紀念日還有就是其他的節日所以我們只有11天但是我看是12天但是不知道是不是說錯了勞動節5月1號是針對全國的勞工"},{"start":5970.261,"end":5989.149,"text":"所以如果算上去的话是12天但是我们看到的是说我们邻居的国家就像日本 韩国 泰国他们的放假日我们部长知道是比我们更多吗有多少你知道吗"},{"start":5990.212,"end":6007.017,"text":"因為麥委員所放在你的PowerPoint上面的很多國家我想就是按照上面所寫的部分對 因為日本 韓國 泰國這個都是放假日是鄰近的國家比我們多對 答案就是說日本是16天我們韓國15天 泰國是20天所以 但是我們台灣的工時又長"},{"start":6016.3,"end":6029.728,"text":"假日又少 國定假日數量 鄰居的國家又比較低所以我們內政部這邊是否這樣的政策方向你覺得符合我們勞工的需求嗎"},{"start":6031.435,"end":6050.557,"text":"報告委員內政部所主管的方向就是紀念日跟節日那但是紀念日跟節日要不要放假的問題跟某一些特殊的假日是不是符合勞動的標準那可能還是勞動部來做這個法律上的解釋會比較好"},{"start":6052.619,"end":6065.027,"text":"我剛有跟委員報告過他有兩種不同的層次紀念日跟假日是一個層次放假是一個層次所以我們才要提出嘛所以問你有沒有認同或者你有沒有參考別的國家我們再來提出說"},{"start":6068.649,"end":6075.977,"text":"但是你講的國家就是日本跟韓國但是你所爐裂的部分也是比我們更少的所以我事實上還是一樣我們國家有我們國家的整體的規則所以我們是有少也有多所以我們是要往上不是要看少的所以我們希望說你要做一個比例要來去看來去做一個修法"},{"start":6091.673,"end":6098.454,"text":"是的不是只有說我們看好沒看壞的對不對看壞的怎麼進定啊我們還沒有訂完法律案所以不是修法而是要不要立法的問題對所以我們現在我們要問你這些問題就是說我們台灣民眾黨要提出來的就是主張我們教師節勞動節應列為國定假日希望我們全國統一放假這不僅尊重我們的"},{"start":6120.518,"end":6133.353,"text":"专业与劳动的价值也是提升劳工与教育工作者的保障所以我们希望说刚才问你这些就是希望说我们要来去参考"},{"start":6135.495,"end":6143.72,"text":"也是各國的我們要來去做修法所以希望我們內政部這邊要支持所以此外我們勞動部目前就是非全國統一放假剛才你有講導致我們的公務人員還有勞工適用的標準又不同"},{"start":6156.167,"end":6161.208,"text":"所以甚至同一家人可能就出現一人放假一人上班這樣的狀況就影響我們整個社會的公平性與勞動權利所以我希望我們內政部這邊同意說用我們的版本統一放假的標準讓我們勞動節還有真正成為全國的放假日也確保勞動是我們享受同樣的休假權"},{"start":6184.372,"end":6188.373,"text":"這個就是我們提出的主張所以也部長你覺得要修這樣子是不是符合我們的勞動的權利謝謝麥委員的關心我剛有提到有關於紀念日跟節日的實施辦法是內政部的行政命令那現在我們要討論的是說我們有26個委員的版本希望把這個執法"},{"start":6212.397,"end":6237.017,"text":"行政命令變成是一個法律案是那變成這個法律案在去年的10月下旬的時候內政部委員會邀請的學者專家還有很多工商團體在那邊呢我們非常仔細的拜讀之後仍然是沒有共識那今天呢如果委員有26個委員的提案想把這個實施辦法變成是一個實施法律的法律案的時候"},{"start":6237.677,"end":6246.642,"text":"就必須要在內政委員會的所有的委員或者是大院的其他委員有共識那我們有共識的話呢 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其實關於這個放假其實每個會期 每一屆幾乎都有討論過吧 對不對對那為什麼沒有辦法做成決定因為牽扯的太多了 是不是"},{"start":6699.624,"end":6724.121,"text":"對 因為加入太多不同的因素不是只有純粹訂定這個節日跟紀念日而已如果純粹訂定節日跟紀念日的話站在內政部的權責方向的話會比較單純但是因為牽涉到哪一個部門或是哪一個企業或是哪一個職業哪一種身份要放假那放假的問題就是一個很大需要大家有不同的爭點 需要有泥鋸共識"},{"start":6725.522,"end":6748.437,"text":"對嘛 所以部長其實剛剛那個遊委員在問的時候有說什麼這個放假日要不要增加其實我覺得部長整個內政部目前應該也是持開放的態度但是大家要討論嘛 是的沒錯是不是開放的討論 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那次長你解答"},{"start":7201.478,"end":7226.423,"text":"勞動部主張就是說必須要通盤檢討各行各業的營運模式還有工作狀況那還有我們特別關心勞工的期待跟需求讓勞工能夠更好的休息對啦所以啦其實以現有的辦法也可以解決然後各部會其實也都持開放的態度要來解決這個問題只是我們應該要多討論那其實啦有一個重點啦"},{"start":7227.714,"end":7253.688,"text":"今年的放假人事行政總局他都已經公布了啦你要也很難去修改去增加啦所以我們還有半年的時間可以好好來討論這個問題明年把它解決啦我覺得這才是我們應該要去解決的方案那我們也不一定說要拖到半年但是就是時間充裕我認為應該要多多的討論這因為畢竟影響各行各業太多了啦好 謝謝"},{"start":7256.499,"end":7257.48,"text":"好 謝謝張宏祿委員 休息三分鐘"},{"start":7289.485,"end":7289.766,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":7303.334,"end":7316.558,"text":"沒有 我覺得是在罵說什麼跟職員的關係其實會有性感的而且到底在哪邊的安排是不是應該保留他的沒有 他在職員的關係因為他這個遊戲是最有 最光榮的我估計就是要 要 要 要"},{"start":7331.532,"end":7350.819,"text":"三倍四倍五倍四倍三倍五倍四倍三倍四倍五倍四倍三倍四倍五倍四倍"},{"start":7354.883,"end":7364.152,"text":"不是美的,它不該是長的它是長的它是長的它是長的它是長的它是長的"},{"start":7374.2,"end":7375.541,"text":"這裏有個大廈,有個大廈"},{"start":7392.928,"end":7398.49,"text":"這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的餐廳,例如餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳,餐廳餐廳餐廳"},{"start":7422.237,"end":7427.861,"text":"這裏有很多不同的雕像。這裏有很多不同的雕像。"},{"start":7443.394,"end":7450.338,"text":"這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的中間餐廳"},{"start":7466.008,"end":7466.368,"text":"鮮奶油"},{"start":7495.12,"end":7495.922,"text":"這不知道是按照哪一方"},{"start":7529.48,"end":7537.005,"text":"謝謝觀賞"},{"start":7597.066,"end":7600.267,"text":"報告各位同仁我們繼續開會下一位我們請高金素美委員資訊"},{"start":7607.233,"end":7609.416,"text":"謝謝召委 我們有請部長還有這個勞動部的政務次長好 劉部長 李次長有請"},{"start":7618.763,"end":7642.984,"text":"今天我們在內政委員會要討論的是增訂國定假日的議題其實是工會還有包括三十萬原住民勞工在內的所有勞工八年來他們一直說還我七天假運動的延續我們回憶一下他們是從兩千年開始就訴求了希望縮短工時也就是週休二日"},{"start":7644.024,"end":7670.716,"text":"15年之後政府才把法定的工時縮短到每週40個小時勞動部次長你應該很清楚但是這一次以來為了要怕得罪大老闆們我們的政府又把週休二日定成了一例一休勞工是這當中的唯一輸家而這八年來我們看一下工會還有勞工他們透過了集會抗議你看一下照片讓你回憶一下"},{"start":7671.596,"end":7699.382,"text":"工會集會抗議遊行寫寫書絕食非常多的活動就是要希望政府能夠還給勞工七天的假期然而這當中我們的政府每一次的說法工會和勞工他們也都非常理直氣壯的反駁廣大的勞工朋友都非常支持恢復這些被刪除的國家這才是"},{"start":7700.421,"end":7718.257,"text":"沒有打折的明確的落實人權兩公約裡面的勞動人權條款所以我認為有為的政府負責任的政府應該要把三除七天的國定假日要全數恢復放假請問部長跟次長的意見簡短好嗎"},{"start":7721.834,"end":7748.112,"text":"謝謝高靜雯的吹詢我想我們尊重高靜雯對於所謂的勞工所要放假的議題但是我所了解蔡總統她所謂的還勞工十天假的前言跟後語應該要一起來看因為當時並沒有修所謂的週休二日的部分那目前為止我們累計的週休二日加在一起全國的放假日是有115天到116天跟當時只有不到90天或100天的時間差非常的多"},{"start":7749.464,"end":7760.287,"text":"所以我現在要求的就是因為今天召委有牌嘛所以大家好好的來討論嘛唯一的重點剛剛那個次長您說了希望還給勞工的權益嘛對不對那既然是還給勞工的權益的話我就希望我們能夠來討論可以嗎然後真正的把權益還給勞工真正的要恢復人權兩公約裡面的勞動人權可以嗎我不要花太多的時間您說好不好我們來討論"},{"start":7778.952,"end":7794.497,"text":"我們認為這個案子本來就有討論的空間好 可以討論 好 謝謝那請兩位先回然後請園民會主委曾主委有請主委你對於我們幾個原住民所提的碎石記憶要放假這件事情你有什麼看法"},{"start":7795.93,"end":7813.883,"text":"碎石祭儀放假我覺得我們是很樂觀希望因為原住民的這個碎石祭儀他們尤其是還要回到自己的部落大家都希望能夠三天這是有原因的因為這個部落整個的祭儀不會是只有一天有時候三天有時候一個禮拜甚至有的一個月"},{"start":7815.264,"end":7841.313,"text":"這個是我們認為是應該是要這樣子來體諒我們自己的族人好所以曾主委您是跟族人站在一起的所以希望您把這個聲音好好的跟我們的內政部我們的部長來討論一下讓他清楚到部落的狀況第二個我在這個也有提到援助民族歷史轉型正義日還有援助民族抵抗日您的看法"},{"start":7842.635,"end":7860.372,"text":"這個我想因為這個是一個值得紀念的一個時間那我們也可以建議就是說是不是我們就是尊重委員的這個建議那我們是不是跟內政部跟相關部會 你知道我提這兩個有什麼意義嗎一個是10月31號一個是6月26號"},{"start":7864.229,"end":7880.066,"text":"一個是強制就是沒說我們原住民土地的那個很好我完整的講一下10月31號這一天對於我們原住民是非常重要的因為在1895年的10月31號殖民的日本總督府他片面"},{"start":7880.746,"end":7901.383,"text":"發布了翻地等於無阻地等於關有地的日令第26號這項命令呢它強制沒收了台灣原住民族數千年來賴以生存的土地跟領域這使我們原住民流離失所淪為邊緣的群體而這個殖民命令一直到1945年台灣光復之後才被廢止"},{"start":7902.023,"end":7923.519,"text":"但是儘管這樣你很清楚原住民當初被沒收的土地還有領域沒有全副輝煌給我們1947年國民政府直接沿襲了日本殖民者的番人所要地歸地改名為三地保留地所以我講的原住民的這兩個日子是跟"},{"start":7924.46,"end":7945.418,"text":"政權沒有關係跟誰執政沒有關係跟政黨沒有關係它是原住民的轉型正義好我們看1994年又改名為現在的原住民保留地所以呢當時這個翻人索要地的24萬多公頃它是按照當時殖民普查原住民人口多少8萬人"},{"start":7946.899,"end":7963.306,"text":"這八萬人一個人是三萬公頃的基準算出來的可是呢現在原住民人口有多少主委你很清楚將近六十萬人但是我們的保留地可以讓我們維生的還停留在二十四萬多公頃"},{"start":7964.346,"end":7992.776,"text":"所以這就是1980年代原住民族發動還我土地運動最重要的原因這是殖民和威權體制為了經濟掠奪還有節省統治的成本對原住民的土地還有領域不正義的剝奪所以我認為10月31號應該要定為台灣原住民族的歷史轉型正義日以上我提的這段歷史正不正確"},{"start":7993.656,"end":8007.243,"text":"是我們尊重委員的所以你也同意不管他放不放假但是這一天一定要作為歷史轉型這一日另外為什麼要有援助民主抵抗日您知道嗎我還提6月26號沒關係因為今天時間有限"},{"start":8016.567,"end":8036.543,"text":"主委您看您都不知道更何況我們全國人民更何況我們的族人為什麼現在我們的民進黨政府一直在講反威權一直在講轉型正義就是要切割原住民的正義所以這一天非常的重要這一天6月26號我們看一下1910年"},{"start":8041.627,"end":8059.538,"text":"日本殖民總督佐久堅佐馬太他對台灣原住民發動了五年的里番戰爭他企圖由北到南全面要殲滅原住民族的抵抗者為了什麼 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它會有訂定的辦法但是假日跟節日到底要不要放假那就是由目的事業主管機關跟相關的機關會同來實施現在是現行的辦法是這樣子"},{"start":8419.302,"end":8442.674,"text":"那目前我們在執行的過程當中呢當然會碰到一些困擾就是剛剛大家所說的如果你的連假很長那補班的時候要不要補班那我們就是擔心補班會造成困擾所以會在前一年度人事行政總局就會對外公佈像譬如說今年的整個的放假天數跟包括要補班或者是要連假的部分在去年的11月左右就會對外來公佈那這個呢只能規範到就是公務系統的軍公教"},{"start":8447.777,"end":8469.469,"text":"但是因為我們台灣的很多企業界他是跟著公務部門一起放假的所以就變成行政院的人事行政總署發出去那個針對全國的軍公教放假補班留班日等等這些他們就跟著一起來執行那當然這有方便跟不方便的地方那所以現在呢把它立法以後呢會變成會比較共識會比較難會變成"},{"start":8472.35,"end":8496.83,"text":"今年有今年的法律明年有明年的法律那我們變得年年都要修法才能夠定定那一年什麼時候放假什麼時候不放假這是我們認為說倉促入法會比較沒有共識的原因之一對所以沒有人說這個應該放這個不應該放但是其實現在的法律就可以讓大家的上班日跟放假日會比較有彈性一點的去讓我講最簡單的"},{"start":8498.471,"end":8523.711,"text":"接下來是勞動部來部長你先請回座接下來是勞動部的執行一對夫妻啊那現在一個先生可能是公務員那太太可能是勞工那遇到強制要放假的時候勞工還是要輪班嘛那輪班對企業主來講剛剛講的企業主來講他可能就是付兩倍的薪水"},{"start":8524.295,"end":8540.602,"text":"但是對更多的這些庶民經濟來講我講的是比如說咖啡店比如說這些很小的餐飲我在高雄有一家很有名的牛肉麵店他曾經就貼出來了那一天讓我非常扼腕那一天就是一個連假嘛"},{"start":8542.313,"end":8566.608,"text":"連假休息很正常通常他都外面都會貼說4月3號到5號這個清明連假放假沒有他是貼說我請不到人休假但是不知道什麼時候可以請到人那什麼什麼時候遇到這種狀況當這個我們強制他要這個國定假日休假到你如果說到現在的版本32天的話那會產生什麼什麼什麼狀況"},{"start":8571.485,"end":8598.467,"text":"先生可能公務員他就放假了嘛那太太他可能必須也跟著先生放假他有他的選擇他不要領兩倍的薪水他有他的選擇他也放假他也放假的話這一個可能咖啡店或可能這一個小餐廳他就出現剛剛我講的這個狀況貼了貼紙出來說我沒有辦法營業因為我們假日沒有人營業另外一種狀況就是這個僱主"},{"start":8602.592,"end":8631.483,"text":"當這個僱主每次遇到這些連假的時候都找不到人的時候都沒有人可以輪班的時候這家店其實他不只面臨這些這些固定假日他要休息這家店很有可能他會走向關門他會因為找不到找不到這個員工關門那我們也不是反對我們是覺得這32天的提出來的這些不管是紀念日或者是假日跟台灣現在目前"},{"start":8632.139,"end":8660.451,"text":"所這樣運行的這些狀況加上一例一休執行以來的這些狀況必須要切合現在台灣社會的狀況那次長我想請教你從一例一休以來目前台灣所有勞工的這些一例一休的比例有做多大的提升是謝謝委員跟委員報告那個我們勞動部有調查2015年就一例一休修法之前"},{"start":8661.434,"end":8689.562,"text":"有事業單位規定勞工每週工作五天的那個事業單位的比例大概是76%可是到接下來一例修法之後就逐年的增加到2021年事業單位規定勞工每週工作只要五天的事業單位比例已經提升到87%87%等於少了增加了12%那同樣的勞工的部分也一樣就是說"},{"start":8691.282,"end":8703.914,"text":"2016年是勞工在世界單位規定下勞工每週工作5天的那個比例其實是86%可是到2021年已經增加到94%其實依你這個數字來講"},{"start":8708.058,"end":8733.727,"text":"增加到90幾%的話其實現在所有我剛剛講的很多的這些實體的小店面其實他已經是事情這個最容易發生問題的就是在10人以下的你做這個改變的時候他必須要做快速的因應所以我覺得還是需要社會廣泛的多討論接下來我們這個討論到底要讓台灣社會放多少價那社會這些小店家是可以承受的是謝謝同意委員謝謝"},{"start":8735.97,"end":8738.831,"text":"好 謝謝李柏毅委員 接下來我們請王美惠委員質詢主席我們要報到劉部長有請"},{"start":8754.976,"end":8760.059,"text":"有的好,有的沒有部長,在剛才我們討論當中,就是說到要如何休眠可以補完工,我們現在就工了是在剛才你所工作報告裡面也說,我們的國庭假日已經十一工了如果實際,週休二日,我們也已經一天當中休十八十五工,到十八十六工了"},{"start":8784.375,"end":8785.256,"text":"在365天的一天,在你做3天多,還可以休息一天啊但是現在就是說,面臨我們六天的問題啦因為六天說實在的啦,如果說那麼實在的"},{"start":8802.532,"end":8805.975,"text":"老公就是說 你的假日 你的國庭假日要休息跟公司叫我不能休息 跟我要上班的時候是不是有那個加班實績 捏到兩倍的錢啦這才是重要啦"},{"start":8821.03,"end":8826.151,"text":"因為我覺得這是最危險的因為我們今天要想辦法如何能夠包括我們的勞工也好包括我們的公務人員也好都是拿出來探討因為我覺得你未來大家會更加協商會更看如何比較我們可以更好"},{"start":8846.255,"end":8850.84,"text":"在這個過程當中,說實在,陸軍也有非常辛苦像有的,有提起說,他的族群像台灣,我們的人民會,我們提出,他覺得陸軍一天不夠要再三天,再過天假日,這是一對英官主義"},{"start":8871.585,"end":8881.179,"text":"會關心要怎麼去控制,讓他們的關注民,會完全知道,他們的封面製,他們的活動,讓他們聽聽順順,都知道這個規定"},{"start":8886.707,"end":8887.928,"text":"在這個當中 像有警察 我也覺得警察罪很辛苦消防罪 消防罪也很辛苦每一個說出來的單位都非常辛苦"},{"start":8902.58,"end":8910.523,"text":"他們說要如何依你的轉抑,要如何讓大家知道這個局面的情況,這個局面要多久我們不是說有時要求和平日,日日末,日日末對我們來說"},{"start":8922.168,"end":8934.071,"text":"是非常心疼的日子不是發音不末像保安公司說我們要請求打幾次這是要讓我們中華民國的台灣不可以忘記這間所發生的事所以在這個過程我剛才也聽到我們的董事會說823反共的日子"},{"start":8950.253,"end":8954.315,"text":"沒有要反抗喔,他不說要紀念要休息喔這樣說實在,我們這個紀念跟休息的定義是什麼?像北京剛才本席從北海講到現在跟你們有什麼好好的意見嗎?包括剛才我們的延命會也說出"},{"start":8975.764,"end":8980.007,"text":"我相信我們內政部所講的紀念日的部分我是認為說有很多人不關心紀念日是在紀念什麼東西"},{"start":8992.654,"end":8998.659,"text":"這就是我剛才說的,好評人有很多紀念的時候,我們還知道,我們今天的效盤是紀念什麼事情,這是最要求的所以我們可能對一些歷史或是文化或是一些教育有斷層所以很多人覺得了解日日白天可以放假"},{"start":9015.512,"end":9021.256,"text":"不是在紀念 至於公家機關顧問這個二禮拜和平紀念日會有很多不同意外其他人覺得那天就是放假那天就是要看報會公司有沒有派接那天就是要去釋放事實上這就是違反了我們原來希望說紀念日讓大家了解比如說我以二禮拜來說二禮拜到底是發生什麼事情是不是違反對抗民主所發生的一些歷史的一些意義沒有人講得清楚"},{"start":9045.712,"end":9049.994,"text":"所以我剛才有跟各位說過包括有勞動節我認為很多勞工在5月初一那天勞動節本來就是放假但是現在有人就是用勞動節要轉個放假我剛才有說到勞動節轉個放假是什麼人要放假呢就是軍公告放假然後勞動節那天放假的時候本來公司企業就是要讓"},{"start":9069.522,"end":9076.948,"text":"那天出來露洞 露洞的兄弟姊妹本來就是要加班費所以我們要用兩個戰俱來看那天如果是全國放假的時候 要加班費是不是按照露洞基準法裡面所通過 要有兩倍的薪水對 不然的話 這是說 這個是最要緊的就是那天的國務委員會他休息嘛 是跟北省大家都休息的時候"},{"start":9093.502,"end":9098.488,"text":"他們一定會 他們今天這天休息沒什麼意義 因為你還要一天加班給他不讓他報告 要是特休還是加班所以變成是六黨部門的問題 跟另外今天要想說紀念日的實施辦法比較不完全的關係"},{"start":9114.325,"end":9123.177,"text":"在這裡我剛才有說,因為我認為高進數美委員他為了我們的官署名,我相信他如果好,有你也好,都為了他們的族群的發表的紀念,剛才他們說的,我也覺得說"},{"start":9132.108,"end":9138.052,"text":"這既然讓他知道,他們的過程會過去,日出不能買一件,也不能重演啦所以說,普通人在這裡,我也覺得說,大家像這樣好好討論別說沒討論,真的沒討論,也不好,我們互相的討論,提出我們的大名是什麼,歡樂的是什麼尤其,我們要去更改,就是剛才我說的"},{"start":9162.148,"end":9165.332,"text":"每年因為今年已經暑假了,沒辦法再過一兩個月就夠了,跟我們的年薪也已經發佈了,是未來每年的時候,要怎麼下去處理,那個多一天"},{"start":9177.885,"end":9188.114,"text":"會加班費嗎?所以在這裏面,我也願望部長和所有的單位都要去邀請,因為說實在的,我們的勞工也非常辛苦。剛才本席說的,做不做,加班也加班。他也願望,他可以在大家都休息,他出來加班的時候,是可以捏到加班。"},{"start":9205.849,"end":9217.616,"text":"要一人來探一人,最主要的就是這樣嘛不然他怎麼跟人家去上班,上班的時候像現在我們做修二日,是怎麼他要出來做所以我們運馬,我們的勞動部次長,等於也要演藝,可以補充我們的感覺"},{"start":9227.982,"end":9233.145,"text":"因為說實在的,小英也好,我相信大家坐在這裡的民運代表,我們都是勞工界最好的後盾,但是我們也是企業界最好的後盾"},{"start":9243.951,"end":9251.76,"text":"因為企業界,你一定要讓他想準確的,不說一句話不說一句話,要努力多天,大家都要去努力要去,但是兩方的平衡的時候,我們要怎樣去找到最好的"},{"start":9260.949,"end":9265.591,"text":"好,感謝我們王美惠委員下一位我們請黃婕委員質詢"},{"start":9298.834,"end":9319.687,"text":"好謝謝主席我們先請內政部長劉部長有請黃委員好好部長好今天這個題目其實像剛剛部長已經有提到說要不要紀念跟要不要放假其實是兩個層次那我希望部長可以在這邊跟大家再說明一次就是為什麼有的紀念日"},{"start":9320.467,"end":9343.486,"text":"跟要不要放假是兩件事呢是根據我們現在的一個實施辦法我們認為說有12個紀念日6個民俗節日跟9個特定節日其中是規定全國放假日那就是中華民國的開國紀念日還有和平紀念日國慶日春節民主掃墓節端午節中秋節農曆除夕跟兒童節一共有11天是"},{"start":9344.947,"end":9372.847,"text":"這是我們認為說第一個符合國際的潮流譬如說裡面的這個我們的那個民俗節日裡面還有另外一個我們自己台灣在過去的歷史裡面包括和平紀念日或者是國慶日等等這些都是我們值得紀念的所以既然它是紀念節日的話我們認為全國放假剛好是全國居民同胞都應該把這個重要的節日當成是我們歷史傳承裡面非常重要的一環"},{"start":9373.53,"end":9397.044,"text":"好謝謝部長的說明所以其實啊因為今天總共有26個委員的版本那我看了一下其實大家的提的方向也非常的分歧包括說名目很分歧要不要放假也很分歧變成說有的是認為這個要設紀念日但有的認為說這個要設紀念日而且要放假那有的是說有些設紀念日但是不用放假那導致說這26個版本下去討論"},{"start":9399.205,"end":9407.212,"text":"沒完沒了因為太分歧了包括剛剛其實有一些提案委員有說到說他認為說行限紀念日要來放假那我聽了也覺得蠻諷刺的一個被大法官判違憲的一個立法委員然後來說要倡議這個行限紀念日那我當然會覺得是不是有討論空間"},{"start":9420.302,"end":9443.788,"text":"那包括說有一個委員也提到說他希望823應該要來紀念那我認為說823的精神就是反共那這個委員本身也不反共那他來提823是不是也很諷刺呢那所以包括說這一些名目到底哪一些節日應該要被紀念是不是一項一項該來討論那也包括說如果是我個人的立場我也認為說4月7號的言論自由日是不是應該要來放假"},{"start":9446.789,"end":9476.088,"text":"那5月24號是不是應該作為婚姻平權紀念日是不是也應該來放假如此這樣子名目分歧討論下去可能會沒完沒了所以我也認為這件事情必須要有更多的共識包括哪一些節日值得被全國的人民來紀念包括哪一些的名目是應該要真的全國來放假的都有非常多的討論空間因為其實剛剛也有提到說有一些委員是希望說特定的"},{"start":9476.848,"end":9502.608,"text":"職業別來放假包括警察節消防節那可能也有的委員覺得說那是不是醫師節護理師節所有的職業別當天都要來爭取放假呢那我覺得都沒有不好但是如果要討論變成是非常需要所有全民的共識才能最後凝聚出一個共識那最後呢我還是要請教一下部長"},{"start":9503.388,"end":9511.858,"text":"那到底是這些剛剛所說的這一大堆的國定假日要放在辦法比較好還是應該要立法來處理比較好呢"},{"start":9512.698,"end":9539.372,"text":"其實如果以委員的高度來看待這件事情的話我認為說立法也我們不敢排斥因為已經有26個委員立法不能夠一竿子就打翻一條船但是我剛提到了立法下去以後會變成沒有彈性所謂的沒有彈性譬如說剛剛委員提到我們認為台灣的言論自由日4月7號應該現在有紀念但是沒有放假"},{"start":9539.912,"end":9554.107,"text":"但是也許過兩年以後人家會覺得要紀念又要放假那你要不要修法或者是說這個行限紀念日我們認為它是行限紀念日12月25號可是對於很多年輕族群它這個叫做聖誕節"},{"start":9556.049,"end":9581.099,"text":"那既然你是聖誕節的話呢假設台灣是尊重很多不同的這個宗教那道教節要不要放假那佛誕升天節要不要放假那就變成會沒完沒了那這樣子呢會變成是說會以大眾的一個想法為想法的話那幾乎每一天都放假日那如果幾乎每一天都放假日的話呢或者是有三分之一以上都在放假的話那"},{"start":9582.259,"end":9593.212,"text":"所影響到的我想軍公教還是按照法令應該怎麼執行就怎麼走但是很多企業界很多人會認為說你多放假那個少放假是為了大財團不是我們在討論的過程當中其實最大沒有辦法達到共識的就是"},{"start":9599.179,"end":9623.252,"text":"中小企業界或者像我們現在所了解像小吃攤咖啡廳等等它一個餐廳裡面呢可能是老闆老闆娘然後只有請一個跟兩個那你因為要放假它要合乎我們的法令的規範的話它要給兩倍甚至說如果是過年期間又碰到所謂的放假日的話說不定比兩倍還要更多否則你沒辦法留住這些勞動人口反而是造成"},{"start":9623.932,"end":9633.016,"text":"好者越好然後越壞者他越糟糕所以才會造成剛剛有五人提到明明是放假日應該很多人潮可以去賺錢賺一點小的生意錢的部分他要關門因為沒有人手或者會變成這個"},{"start":9639.119,"end":9642.3,"text":"譬如說我們現在在長期照顧長期照顧是一年365天每天24小時的哪有放假日你把放假日增加的結果是造成很多需要有人長期照顧的家庭"},{"start":9659.946,"end":9665.091,"text":"支付更多的長期照護的工作者的負擔那這些呢其實我們在勞動部門或者是衛福部門或者是軍公教部門都沒有一個很好的共識可是我們還是保持一個開放的態度認為說是不是在"},{"start":9675.68,"end":9697.986,"text":"放假天數上面大家來考量一下可不可以大家都會有覺得是否有討論的空間但是你現在硬把它放在這個框架裡面的話呢就像我剛剛所講的每一年我們要到立法院來報告一次這個假日的辦法明年要怎麼放假要不然就沒辦法修法那如果沒辦法修法的話呢那這個法律案呢其實它就沒有彈性"},{"start":9698.936,"end":9720.77,"text":"好謝謝部長非常完整而且詳細的說明那我認為接下來當然要不要放假放哪一些假其實都是大家可以持開放態度來討論但是如果要把它變成是放在立法裡面的話可能變成每一年都要重新修法反而失去了這個彈性大概是這樣的意思是的好非常謝謝部長那最後一點時間我們是不是請勞動部次長"},{"start":9729.005,"end":9754.338,"text":"好最後的一分鐘我還是要請次長來說明一下因為其實最後啊這個還是要回歸到說一年到底要不要要多放幾天假那這個其實還是可以討論的因為我也還是必須要老實的說台灣的這個工時的政策還是不盡滿意啦還是有非常多的進步空間那我希望勞動部還是要在這邊承諾可以做勞工的後盾"},{"start":9754.858,"end":9781.619,"text":"那如何更照顧到勞工的權益包括如何降低工時提高工資這件事情還是非常重要的那是不是最後請次長來說明一下是謝委當然勞動部一貫的立場長期來就是要維護勞工的權益那特別在工時方面確實我們還有努力空間那工資方面我們也都有一些新的工資政策在陸續推動例如說包括過去這八年來每一年都調高稅率工資那"},{"start":9782.179,"end":9794.735,"text":"最近這個行政院的經濟發展委員會也有做出了這個決議就希望未來在這個薪資透明化的措施方面要更進一步來推動我們農部在跟經管會一起來討論中"},{"start":9796.601,"end":9817.719,"text":"好 謝謝次長的說明那我覺得照顧勞工還是最重要的雖然我認為過去八年每年都調高最低工資了而且其實我們的工時每年也都在降低當中這也都是過去八年民進黨政府的努力那我認為接下來還是有很多進步的空間那這個真的要拜託勞動部繼續努力好嗎應該的好 謝謝好 謝謝黃建斌委員下一位我們請黃建斌委員質詢"},{"start":9834.211,"end":9835.873,"text":"好 謝謝主席 我們請劉部長部長有請來 文委也好部長早安 部長"},{"start":9845.543,"end":9863.743,"text":"部長應該很多人會拿起以前擔任立法委員期間面對勞基法二修時的作為來做這一次還給勞工七天假的修法評斷本席認為觀察一個政治任務需要長時間本席發現您在擔任內政部長期間"},{"start":9864.984,"end":9889.292,"text":"內政部從2025年開始要率先落實提升內政部所屬機關以勞務承攬進駐員工的薪資標準包括約僱約聘漁農人員及勞務承攬進駐員工像是國家公園以及所屬所屬轄區的清潔人員維護人員等等他的月薪要提高最低工資的1.1倍也就是3.1萬元起對吧"},{"start":9892.571,"end":9902.625,"text":"部長這個是您響應的政府作為加薪引擎的政策這可以代表部長您是相當重視勞工的權益所以請部長您回想一下您當初針對這個加薪的行為你說過什麼樣的話"},{"start":9905.716,"end":9932.928,"text":"我 我有一點忘記 但是知道這件事情柏定 你當時說的是說保障基層員工的權益是政府義不容辭的責任當然 適用中國的標準薪資的提升是一項基本的尊重這個精神非常重要我們可以把勞基法修二的那一塊翻頁既然內政部你很重視我們勞工的權益我們來談談為什麼要放這七天假我想這個絕對不是勞動部或經濟部的事情內政部也可以有自己的態度"},{"start":9934.943,"end":9954.462,"text":"我們從去年2024年12月開始我們勞動部揭露這個國際工時比較中台灣2023年的人均工時達到了2020個小時是全球第五高亞洲第二高我們亞洲僅次於新加坡我們從法定的工時來看台灣跟日韓一樣都是單週40個小時新加坡是單週44個小時"},{"start":9957.745,"end":9978.778,"text":"看起來我們台灣的法定工時沒有比別人差但差別出在哪裡就是在有薪假的規定上面群部長我們國家的國定假日是幾天然後另外我們最喜歡比較的日本跟韓國他們又是幾天國定假日我們的國定假日的放假日是幾天"},{"start":9980.857,"end":9999.197,"text":"不想提醒 台灣是12天如果是勞工的話是12天 抱歉台灣是12天 韓國日本是16跟15天我先提醒我想這個就是在起點相當不同因為除了跨國間的國定價值不同以外還有特休的差異像在年資滿15年之前台灣的特休價基本都少於日韓"},{"start":10000.67,"end":10026.627,"text":"年資只有在滿三年或滿四年大概是贏日本兩天有些人會認為說只要年資夠高我們台灣的特休就高到三十天就明顯勝於日韓了對不對但關鍵因素是什麼我想我們的勞工可不可以在一個工作從一個中這是第一個第二個 不然你擔任過立委嘛不然你的幕僚也就是國會的助理請問他們換了新老闆之後他特休的年假可以累積嗎"},{"start":10027.711,"end":10035.48,"text":"另外 台灣又是中小企業為主台灣中小企業 你知道中小企業的平均壽命是多長嗎國會助理的部分"},{"start":10040.435,"end":10065.232,"text":"我是不是可以請勞動部來回應一下因為有關於勞工放假的部分我們都按照這個規矩不過黃委員所提到說我們內政部在去年年底的時候為了提高我們有一些基層的工作人員的一個費用很抱歉我已經跟他們道歉過了因為我們的114年的預算是把它編在業務費裡面已經被刪跟凍掉了我們今天就我們的學姐來討論"},{"start":10071.256,"end":10093.352,"text":"國會助理的特休假累積並沒有這個規定就是說要看立委本人他要不要讓他休同樣依據我們經濟部中小企業處來統計台灣中小企業的平均壽命是13年你怎麼做滿15年所以這不可能所以我們將法定工時國定假日特別休假轉換成年總工時的時候而且並依照我們年資來計算的話"},{"start":10097.346,"end":10121.938,"text":"韓國他入職的第一年他的總工時是1840個小時為什麼他會低於平均因為他第一年就給15天的特休假然後而後是逐步下降那日本入職第一年是平均是1872個小時因為他第一年的年休假只有10天但是隨即快速下降所以在年資滿了7年之後他的年總工時就低於1800個小時"},{"start":10124.145,"end":10147.977,"text":"因為國定假日少然後我們初入職的特休低於日韓所以台灣勞工入職前兩年的年總工時是在1900小時以上所以年資三到九年之間甚至停滯在1860個小時以上所以你要等到年資滿了九年之後才會逐步下降所以台灣的次度工時在入職前十年"},{"start":10148.817,"end":10172.382,"text":"每年的平均是比日本多出52個小時比韓國多出51.2個小時那這50多個小時代表什麼概念就是說如果我們把七天假加進來台灣的低年資工者的這個制度工時才能夠真正的跟日韓並駕齊驅所以部長你之前也提過說你要保障基層員工的權益是政府"},{"start":10172.862,"end":10196.779,"text":"義不容辭的責任所以我想要請教部長就回答您是否支持讓勞工朋友們多做七天假那改善我們台灣勞工過勞跟這些剝削的情況我剛跟委員報告過了有關於我支持的那個勞動的條件的部分在這次114年預算的業務費已經被煽動掉了我已經跟他們道歉過部長我覺得請問你是否支持就好其實就是要回歸現在的五一勞動節的勞動的勞動門口已經有放假"},{"start":10203.064,"end":10217.616,"text":"是否支持老公朋友能夠有多的假來休息是否支持這樣子就好好另外因為時間的關係主席我再用一點點的時間我想要請教一下我們的那個人事總署今天剛好拉立法院嘛人事總署人事總署有請"},{"start":10223.53,"end":10241.807,"text":"我也好李署長你好署長抱歉因為美式人事總署來到立法院本席就把握機會來跟你們反映有關我們東台佳績的這個問題因為這真的是很多東部公教人員的共同心聲本席絕對會一直爭取把握美式的機會希望中央能夠把基層的聲音能夠聽進去"},{"start":10243.849,"end":10271.507,"text":"我想在年金改革之後 年輕人報考公職的意願越來越低花東地區的公教機構跟學校承受越來越大的壓力那在資源匱乏 還有家鄉補貨的情況之下偏鄉公務人員 教職人員的工作都負擔沉重造成什麼 人員流動頻率越來越高行政效率變低 學生受教的品質也受到影響那現在我們針對公教人員 東台家籍的部分每個月是多少錢"},{"start":10275.289,"end":10293.445,"text":"630塊跟委員抱歉因為那個是另外一個處沒有關係本席要反映給你聽我們都在加息一個月只有630塊這個630塊連台北台東的自強號都買不起都買不起這個誘因政策不足造成公務人員的流動性高我們偏鄉的教師也不願意留下來"},{"start":10294.386,"end":10306.48,"text":"那本席擔任過鄉長我非常了解這樣的工人員的高流動率會讓地方特別是在偏鄉會淪為基層工人員的訓練班等到他訓練完了 年資滿了他可能就回西部 回北部"},{"start":10308.186,"end":10334.611,"text":"所以我們現在建行我們必須要呼籲說你要討論現在現行的制度我們怎麼樣提高花東地區以及偏鄉離島的家籍減少這些因為地區造成不公平的現象增加我們公務員留下來的誘因有效能夠提升我們地方智能的量能我這邊要請處長將相關的信息帶回去人總這邊來討論來改善這個情況很抱歉今天的情況其實我們討論的這個事情是額外"},{"start":10337.131,"end":10347.696,"text":"但是本席很少有機會可以遇到人種所以這要請人種來幫幫忙可以嗎是謝謝組長 這個太麻煩了 組長是 我們會帶回去研究謝謝組長 謝謝部長 謝謝組長 謝謝好 謝謝黃金兵委員下一位我們請徐益臻委員質詢謝謝主席 我們請劉部長 謝謝劉部長有請"},{"start":10371.653,"end":10377.876,"text":"我想請教部長民進黨執政後取消國定的七天假也象徵勞工工時過長政府在制定政策時漠視勞工權益勞工休假削減並不會減少"},{"start":10397.612,"end":10418.761,"text":"並不會真正的促進經濟的發展而是代表的反而會減少這些國人出門消費的一個時間那我們根據勞動部的統計在112年的台灣受僱勞工的總工時是2019.6個小時跟OECD的39個主要國家相比的話我們是大概排名第五"},{"start":10419.341,"end":10438.209,"text":"那鄰近國家不管是日本的1637個小時韓國的1874個小時還有OECD國家的平均的1742個小時我們台灣的勞工特休假大概跟國定假日加起來大概有20天也遠低於日本的26天韓國的30天"},{"start":10441.172,"end":10454.65,"text":"還有歐美的28至60天以及伊朗的53天所以我想部長這些數據都告訴我們勞工的工時明顯過長而休假的權益也明顯不足您是否認同"},{"start":10455.765,"end":10472.943,"text":"報告委員有關工時過長的部分不是由我業務主管單位的部分我們是在關紀念日跟節日的部分要不要放假的問題那我剛剛有特別提到五一勞動節現在就是我們的放假日只是針對全國勞工好我們是不是要不然請李政次來回答這個部分謝謝委員 委好你好"},{"start":10480.322,"end":10508.796,"text":"正式對 您認不認同我們現在我剛剛所講的現在的勞工的工時明顯的過長因為跟其他的OECD的主要國家比我們其實39個國家我們排名第五那這個部分的話請問你認不認同我們的這個勞工的工時過長而且為什麼勞工要爭取這個收國定假日是 謝謝委員吹噓那個如果跟OECD39個國家來比的話確實台灣勞工的年總工時是比較長的我們還是有很大的努力空間 對"},{"start":10510.426,"end":10537.802,"text":"對 那所以您也贊成我們應該要增加勞工的恢復他們七天假的國定假日嗎我認為國定假日的調整它涉及各行各業的營運模式工作型態都不一樣所以要通盤的討論事實上我們認為根據我們保安部的調查國定假日的調整可能是一種途徑可是最重要是加班工時我們必須要有一些行業它的加班工時是比較長的"},{"start":10539.744,"end":10566.223,"text":"這個應該已經討論很久了那如果再這樣無止境的討論下去這個議題當然不會有共識我是覺得勞動部是不是應該有更積極的作為去看哪些行業他們的這個部分可以用什麼方式來解決重點是要解決勞工工時過場的問題那增加他們休假我想這個應該是只是恢復我們過去的國家的七天假對於勞動部來說應該是極力贊成才對我們認為那個通盤考量之後是確實有討論的空間確實"},{"start":10567.984,"end":10592.455,"text":"可是討論多久了還要討論多久這個因為是我們大院的這個討論我們一定會那我覺得勞動部應該要有積極的態度提出相關的數據來去證明說我們的勞工的工時確實過長否則的話說實在您站在這邊我有點搞不清楚你到底是勞動部的政策還是經濟部的政策我們勞動部不是應該站在勞工的立場為他們爭取相關的權益嗎"},{"start":10594.076,"end":10614.735,"text":"我們勞動部一定是站在勞工的權利之下所以我覺得不要再用這種說我們還要再討論沒有共識相關的這個說法應該是要積極的去處理積極的提出相關的政治那為什麼你知道為什麼這個勞工希望能夠再恢復起點價嗎雖然我們有特休假可是像我們的特休假依據我們勞動部的113年勞工生活跟就業狀況的調查報告"},{"start":10619.119,"end":10647.293,"text":"企業對於未休完的特休假有40.5%採取折發工資也就是說他們根本沒辦法休息然後台灣平均勞工的這個有14.7天的特休可是實際平均休假才8.3天尤其是25到34歲的青年勞工特休假只有10.4天但真正休的只有5.4天所以特休假對於很多勞工來說其實是看得到 休不到"},{"start":10647.913,"end":10676.787,"text":"所以只有國定假日呢才有辦法讓他們真正的休假這也是為什麼我們今天在這邊要探討要恢復這七天甚至我想到底幾天大家都還可以來探討啦但重點是恢復國定假日我覺得這個是對現在勞工的權益很有必要來增加的各位說明勞基法它的修正之後特休假排駕權是在勞工手上所以呢勞工可以自己來決定要不要特休或特休幾天那我們勞務部一場"},{"start":10677.327,"end":10699.778,"text":"甚至你應該不會沒有聽過說很多勞工來投訴說事實上他們這些特休假有時候想休的時候是僱主不同意甚至有時候是用情熱的方式告訴你說因為你們部門人數少如果你休可能會造成其他員工的這樣子的一個工作的負擔增加所以用這種情熱的方式也不讓他們休假你應該有聽過吧有聽過那就是說"},{"start":10702.279,"end":10725.225,"text":"這個就是勞基法的但書就如果雇主認為有營運困難那就要徵求勞工的協商跟同意但是基本上排價權還是在勞工手上當然還是在勞工手上可是我剛剛跟你講的那個數據是你們統計的為什麼實際上14.7天只有8.3天的休假絕對我想不是勞工大家都我一定要來加班絕對不是這樣一定是被要求的"},{"start":10725.805,"end":10741.782,"text":"所以我覺得唯有增加國定假日才會讓他們能夠真正能夠休假這是今天我想我們排案主要來審核這個法案的主要原因還是希望勞動部能夠站在我們這個所有廣大勞工的立場那接下來我是不是再請一下劉部長 謝謝劉部長有請"},{"start":10751.48,"end":10771.412,"text":"剛剛我們有提到我們針對特休的部分事實上勞工真的很多是看得到休不到所以卓院長已經特別有講過說假日的調整去符合國家意義符合全國的自信請問一下內政部有沒有研究如果要增加國定假日可以增加在哪幾天"},{"start":10772.941,"end":10794.075,"text":"很抱歉,那個院長他在行政院的質詢的時候是有特別提到第一個我們保持開放的態度那要增加放假的天數是怎麼樣的增加法那我剛在很多委員的垂詢的時候就有特別提到因為我們26個委員所提到的部分我們累計出來有31種不同的假日"},{"start":10794.855,"end":10808.325,"text":"那所以很難做一個統合性不可能每一天都放假不可能提高到說我們放假31天那到底哪一個才是最好其實我們也必須要凝聚有朝野的共識還有我認為公司部門也必須要有共識上個會期我們已經開過公聽會了"},{"start":10813.188,"end":10827.899,"text":"那請問一下內政部針對剛剛你講我們的委員大概目前有31個希望放假的天數那基本上內政部有沒有研究說大概有哪幾天是一定可放或者是大家基本上的共識有沒有哪幾天"},{"start":10828.859,"end":10855.499,"text":"我們要尊重相關部門現在我們兩個諮詢的對象或是研議的對象一個當然就是行政院的人事總署一個當然就是勞動部目前看起來這兩個部會裡面跟內政部要達到一個共識但是裡面還有差一步就是各個委員之間也必須要有一個共識的版本出來我們才能夠講否則後面的版本我想今天做完這個諮詢之後大家一定"},{"start":10855.959,"end":10859.063,"text":"所以我想請教一下這個部長就是為了肯定教師節為教育事業所做的貢獻跟努力請問您贊不贊成教師節要恢復為國定假日"},{"start":10876.061,"end":10892.789,"text":"包括委員教師節要恢復成國定假日是放假日那包括那個委員也提到說可能叫孔子誕辰紀念日那另外一個是民進黨的黨慶那我是覺得說這樣子放下去的話人家會好像是我們為了自己在做放假可是我沒有考慮到"},{"start":10895.151,"end":10904.041,"text":"9月28日我們各種不同的聲音請問你知道國民黨黨慶是幾號嗎不知道一般人不知道對啊 所以我們也不知道不是 我是說我們從不會覺得你們自卑啦但是這裡面會影響到偏鄉教師跟學校的授教權"},{"start":10910.167,"end":10931.464,"text":"如果沒有好好去解決這塊問題的話你要全國放假也是有個困難我想每一個法案或是每一個政策提出一定有很多需要去溝通去努力執行的地方那我相信以劉部長您是來自於這個民意代表的這樣的身份應該有很多的相關的這個"},{"start":10933.005,"end":10948.53,"text":"這個陳情也都讓您知道有很多解決的方法這方面我是對你有信心的你一定有辦法能夠解決另外就是根據今年的就是2025的民生議題的調查我們有個民調顯示就是支持還給勞工7天假有56.7%不支持的只有19.3%"},{"start":10952.832,"end":10969.549,"text":"24%是沒有意見其中支持勞工節全民放假有66.3支持教師節成為國定假日的有64.3支持光復節的有64.1支持行限紀念日的恢復國定假日有65.4所以部長您可以看到"},{"start":10970.049,"end":10984.352,"text":"都有近三分之二的國人支持要放假那我是覺得針對這個部分是不是我們可以大家一起來討論不一定一次就放棄天價我們要到底放幾天價我覺得這個可以討論而且當然現在有講到說對經濟的層面影響很大影響勝據剛剛在您的報告裡可是事實上所謂的影響勝據是多少就四個字而已並沒有真正的數據也是希望說我們大家如果真的會影響的話影響的數據是多少大家再提出來討論"},{"start":10999.775,"end":11013.847,"text":"那因為今天的時間的關係可能要麻煩劉部長針對這個部分尤其是我不好意思我看一下最後一個表格您看一下因為這是我們針對歐洲國家跟亞洲國家各位您可以看到的不管是歐洲國家"},{"start":11015.029,"end":11033.356,"text":"他的這個年假有30天以上可是他的這個GDP來說也比我們高很多然後另外呢這個我們看到日本的法定假日比台灣多8天那他GDP是台灣的5.23倍那韓國也比台灣多12天的假期他的GDP也是台灣的2.13倍"},{"start":11034.916,"end":11050.982,"text":"所以由此可見假期的多寡並不是影響經濟表現的關鍵因素所以這個部分可能要請我們的內政部我們大家再來想好好的想辦法怎麼來增加國定假日讓我們的勞工不會產生過勞這樣子一個狀況那請問一下部長您認同這個"},{"start":11055.506,"end":11074.891,"text":"這個收價並不會真正影響經濟成長的這個說法嗎我們剛剛已經有提過了你所謂的總體經濟還是部分的我剛剛講過就是說小規模的尤其是中小企業界以下他們對於放假日增加出來會增加出的勞動成本是一個比較難估算的部分那這些人數也不少"},{"start":11075.151,"end":11095.259,"text":"因為我們知道說中小企業在台灣大概也是有好幾十萬以上那這些人的聲音反而我們不容易聽到所以我們從上一次10月23在內政委員會裡面所提到的這些中小企業界的聲音我們也要把它考量在內當然支持勞動部但是我們全國勞工有845萬人所以我覺得但是我剛有提到5月1號本來全國勞工都放假只是軍公教沒有放假"},{"start":11103.522,"end":11116.012,"text":"所以我們要解決的是基金公教跟勞工要一起放假的問題不只討論勞工節我們現在是討論七天假所以還是要麻煩部長我們大家共同用智慧來去解決這個問題謝謝謝謝委員好 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按照行政程序我們是按照行政程序法來執行所有的相關規定你要回答我的問題就是剛剛很多委員都講說我們要有社會共識請問你覺得到底什麼樣的程度叫做社會有共識"},{"start":11610.096,"end":11633.644,"text":"這個放假的這件事情不曉得委員所提的是哪一項沒有就放假比如說天數也好或是哪幾天要放假到底什麼樣的程度叫社會有共識全台灣所有2300萬人一次同意叫有共識還是說其實只要大部分人可以接受他就叫有共識大部分人能夠接受但是我要提一下但是大部分人能夠接受不是完全用這個民粹的想法所謂的民粹的想法我放假越多天越好"},{"start":11634.204,"end":11651.962,"text":"我今天講你講說怕變成流於民粹這個本席不反對但問題就是因為這樣所以我今天要問你一個標準我們也不希望為了特定團體也不希望為了特定團體然後講還我勞工七天假然後綁架勞工說五月一號要全國放假我們已經講過了五月一號本來全國勞工就放假"},{"start":11652.583,"end":11664.65,"text":"部長這對這一段時間一直每一次在街頭上大聲疾呼希望可以減少工時讓勞工休息的團體而言你這樣講話實在對他們實在非常傷心老師我剛剛有提到了不要為了特定團體來處理全國放假的事情所以你認為這個事情"},{"start":11669.793,"end":11673.595,"text":"我們願意跟他們溝通但是不是用這樣的方式放假多少天不要說勞動團體都這樣想應該是說全國的人認為放假的天數這樣可能不夠我們希望多放假幾天那放什麼節日或放什麼假日我們再來講所以我剛剛有特別提到這是一個層次的問題不要用假日、節日、紀念日然後說一定要放假因為這個差太遠"},{"start":11698.411,"end":11723.721,"text":"反正委員的版本的話 我們現在就要多放31天假部長 你不希望用 只是用勞工團體的聲音所以剛剛旭貞委員其實就已經提出了全國的民意調查嘛都還是有六成多人支持啦所以我不是說我們保持開放的態度啊我沒有說現在不可以放假啊但是今年已經來不及了今天大家用開放的態度討論其實慢慢慢慢有共識法條還會有後續的審議啦好 大家也會做版本的整合請你做好準備好 部長休息一下我請勞動部次長"},{"start":11730.017,"end":11759.157,"text":"請勞動部次長這個有人曾經說過七天假不應該跟週休二日這個議題掛鉤這兩者掛鉤在一起是政黨政治下的權力操作你認同這句話嗎我覺得我們的那個週休二日的問題實際上我剛剛前面已經講在修法2017年修法之後事實上週休二日的企業家數跟勞工人數都有提升了"},{"start":11760.186,"end":11786.98,"text":"所以你覺得這兩件事要不要掛鉤?週休二日跟七天假,這兩件事要不要掛鉤在一起?這話誰講的你知道嗎?誰說?這話是你的長官講的,今天沒有來所以派你代理啊這是我們洪山安部長講的他以前做立法委員的時候,幫勞工講話的時候他說七天假的議題不應該跟週休二日掛鉤啊你不應該因為為了推動週休二日就砍掉七天假嘛這其實就是勞工朋友,也是現在工時很長的勞工朋友們心中的痛嘛對不對?所以他當初有這樣子的一個初衷,我都很肯定他"},{"start":11787.64,"end":11816.014,"text":"所以過去我在勞動部在未完委員會質詢他的時候我也跟他討論過這個問題他說他願意有開放心態來面對至少今天次長你今天的心態也是用開放心態來面對我認為這都是往前走的一個方法所以我蠻贊成這個概念這不應該掛鉤但我要再問也有人講說從來就沒有所謂七天假要不要還的問題因為七天假是沒有落實週休二日的時候馬總統那個時候提出的所以落實的時候就要取消請問這是不是掛鉤這是不是把週休二日跟七天假兩件事掛在一起"},{"start":11817.054,"end":11831.465,"text":"這要看怎麼看啊我剛剛已經講了我們在修法以後其實週休日的企業家數跟勞工人數都有提升了所以到底這句話是不是代表要掛在一起看對不對他說沒有砍七天價的問題因為這個本來就是週休日的配套這是不是就是掛鉤"},{"start":11833.203,"end":11848.351,"text":"那這句話誰講的你知道嗎請說是你長官的長官叫卓榮泰院長講的好現在問題來我就請你所以我就委屈你一點啦但是現在我們的勞動部部長曾經主張這件事情不要掛鉤行政院長又把這件事情要掛鉤那請問到底是要掛鉤還是不要掛鉤"},{"start":11849.363,"end":11871.813,"text":"我們覺得還是要站在勞工的實際的工時狀況來考慮而且各行各業的營運模式還有工作狀況都不一樣要通盤檢討所以要站在實際的工時的狀況來考慮回到全民到底台灣的勞工有沒有過勞的狀況我們的上班族需不需要多一點喘息的時間是不是回到這個問題的核心來做處理很好這個其實就是我們排審的原因"},{"start":11872.093,"end":11892.365,"text":"我們認為就是要因為剛剛不管這個數字是OECD的也好或者是怎麼樣或者是來自人民的感受也好或者是來自民意調查的數據支持也好其實我要透過這場質詢強調的就是大部分台灣的民意是希望增加國定假日的天數的對不對國定假日的強度一定高過於特休啦我本來想要問你你支持週休三日"},{"start":11893.499,"end":11921.962,"text":"有些歐洲國家在實驗中其實每次有這個話題的時候台灣的勞工有些都蠻高興的為什麼因為累嘛希望多一點時間休息所以週休三日出來的時候大家說我們會不會試用政府說沒有辦法試用對不對因為畢竟是一個很大膽的嘗試對不對很多人就講說那你真的要特休啊可是就很多人跳出來講我特休年資的問題我有看得到吃不到的這樣一個問題所以說為什麼我們如果要讓勞工立刻的可以享受到工時減少多一點喘息的時間我們要從國定價值下手嘛"},{"start":11923.023,"end":11950.163,"text":"市長你應該不會反對這樣的看法我剛剛已經有回答過就是讓勞工的工時適度的縮減讓勞工休息增加國定假日之外其實還有就是他的加班工時如何適度的減少那這個就我們的調查有一些特定行業像製造業 運輸倉儲業他的加班工時是在各行業裡面比較長的那這跟他的營運模式有很大關係那這個部分我們也透過各種方式希望能夠把它削減一點"},{"start":11950.914,"end":11971.759,"text":"這本席在這邊表達一下我們的立場就是說各種方式只要能夠讓台灣的勞工不要再過勞我們都會支持然後你也可以互相搭配沒有問題但我們希望政府有態度如果政府沒有態度那只好立法院先走其實不外乎就是如此而已好不好希望次長也好部長也好好好準備謝謝好謝謝謝謝牛徐廷召委謝謝李政次接下來我們請吳啟明委員"},{"start":11983.547,"end":11986.657,"text":"好 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感謝丁議員的關心對於丁議員所講的部分包括很多26個委員提出31件"},{"start":12528.596,"end":12533.737,"text":"跟不一樣的風格之下我們認為是不是要有共識再來推測這第一項第二項就是說是不是我們在推測共識的時候可以跟很多不一樣的團體包括勞動團體、教書團體甚至中小企業的代表跟學者專家把他們的想法想出來之後因為看起來世界上最沒有最完美的版本百分之百的人都同意"},{"start":12556.241,"end":12567.786,"text":"但是呢 能夠代表他們這裡的人的聲音 我們能夠把他們找來 把他們問一問你能夠接受的上限是什麼 下限是什麼這樣才能夠選舉共識不然每一個人都覺得自己的最重要這樣就是變成 如果我們大家都重要 都加進去之後未來啊 我們的婚嫁日會變成超過31天啦超過31天喔 我相信各行各業 百家百業 絕對會受到很大的衝擊和影響"},{"start":12584.394,"end":12588.236,"text":"我們的勞工金融是比較辛苦,我們當全世界的管理員,勞工的洗手超過兩成,在世界的管理員超過一成"},{"start":12601.021,"end":12602.603,"text":"很多我們的社會都可以說已經過勞了我們說到更新世界世界主要的經濟國家更加落後了還有一項就是我們希望說"},{"start":12618.084,"end":12619.925,"text":"大人的時間,未來一定可以做到,不要說教師節,我們剛才說教師節,教師節,他如果尷尬,大人沒有尷尬,剛才孩子要拜託人家,那如果下班,勞動節,"},{"start":12635.616,"end":12637.759,"text":"四大人關閘,孩子要繼續討債,四大人也是在家的,他們沒辦法跟孩子一起處理妥協,還是有什麼互動的關係。這個過分可能要請內政部有一個理定方式。"},{"start":12651.235,"end":12655,"text":"我相信很多朋友也站在告示節是不是要放假的日程提出跟委員要求但是告示節有告示節的時刻我剛才有說過 如果告示節放假之後其實現在最大的影響是影響在偏鄉地區的孩子的收購款"},{"start":12668.117,"end":12686.681,"text":"偏鄉地區的學童的受教權會受到影響然後再加上目前以台灣的教育學制來講我們本來就有寒暑假所以委員所提到的問題就是說寒假期間小孩子放假的時候家長怎麼樣處理小孩子放假時候他們的教養教育的問題那跟"},{"start":12689.182,"end":12706.903,"text":"只有單一提出9月28那一天因為老師放假所以小孩子在家沒有人看顧其實會有不同的看法因為人數或天數真的很多譬如說我們的暑假可能有一兩個月那我們總不能一兩個月教師都放假然後全國就跟著一起放假我想這樣子太極端的想法"},{"start":12709.005,"end":12736.969,"text":"所以我剛剛有提到這裡面要解決就是教師的權益的問題或是勞工權益的問題的話目的失業主管機關的教育部或者是這個勞動部他們要提出一個有效的辦法來抑止譬如說工時過長然後勞動條件過苛或者是教師時數過長的問題而不是全部把它放到要不要放假變成國定假日然後全國一起放假然後就一次解決所有的問題這樣子也未免太草率"},{"start":12737.469,"end":12745.374,"text":"對 感謝我們國中的用心剛才你說 都總共有三十一種冠軍三十一個冠軍 三十一的冠軍二十六個委員提案 每天都要報告 都總共三十一天三十一天 這樣要整合也很辛苦整合 如果林法醫可以整合 才能完全配合我們是希望說"},{"start":12765.247,"end":12769.511,"text":"當然我們隔天不能有無限的日數但是我們政府在一日一宵的修法的時候它那七天到晚有提掉的這是事實但是委員 我覺得這樣剛好一半對一半不對"},{"start":12783.102,"end":12799.596,"text":"雖然在一例一休只能所謂七天假拿掉但是未來我們週休二日的部分現在全台灣各地的放假全台灣加上週休二日已經是一百一十五天或者是一百一十六天跟原來不到一百天是差很多的是所以現在剛才說的還他七天假還他七天假這個理由是什麼"},{"start":12811.772,"end":12817.859,"text":"不好意思 還他七天假是不是可以請盧董博來跟議員解說因為這不是來敬博主觀的 我還有一些問題"},{"start":12835.234,"end":12839.201,"text":"市長感謝你 現在我們旁邊的旅行朋友都有在說希望可以還他7點價 這個原因是什麼"},{"start":12846.172,"end":12867.228,"text":"那就是一百五千二十二個月前那些人修改希望可以比這個週休二日週休二日那些人之前那些委員就討論說那週休日要放假天數的增加所以就希望說可以來修改這個勞動勞基法裡面的事業細則跟本甲勞工有19天兼7天比這個12天"},{"start":12875.394,"end":12903.089,"text":"但是當時在修改的時候也同時把一些特效價來增加譬如說本價下跌是一年年資以下半年年資的本價是沒有特效的但是修改以後配合半年年資的有三天的特效一年以上到兩年特效價也增加兩年以上也能增加所以特效價也有適度增加"},{"start":12903.974,"end":12909.401,"text":"聽說勞工節,我們這裡勞工平均都是較高階級才有辦法關卡,較低階級也有辦法關卡全台灣勞工,有益勞動者都太棒架有益勞動者勞工都有棒希望說"},{"start":12921.995,"end":12949.152,"text":"我們這邊跟我們來賓國家可以將對我們這個勞工朋友觀感的這個過分可以好好去討論讓我們勞工朋友有一個好的一個管理是感謝 感謝我們市長 感謝主席謝謝好 謝謝丁薛忠委員我們今天開會中午就不休息我們把質詢把它走完但我們待會在這個徐信委員質詢完之後我們休息五分鐘讓大家上上廁所好 先來請徐信委員質詢"},{"start":12960.577,"end":12963.82,"text":"好 謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長劉部長有請徐委員好那個勞動部的次長李次長有請一起 謝謝"},{"start":12984.771,"end":13007.167,"text":"請教部長還有次長去年也就上個會期我們有辦紀念日及假日的公聽會我不知道那天都是次長來還是部長您有在嗎?我沒有在您沒有在?我們內政部是一位次長來代表是吳長次嗎?不是那勞動部那一天是誰?"},{"start":13010.001,"end":13036.261,"text":"那是我們勞工部長賜是長賜 好 OK那沒關係這個但是機關代表都有到嘛這個我們今天討論這個紀念日跟假日當然前面很多委員很多相關議題都討論了那本席想要請教部長還有次長的就是說我們都看到台灣的總工時當然剛剛針對什麼勞工還我七天假這個假設我們先撇開不講"},{"start":13037.389,"end":13062.515,"text":"整個台灣的總工時跟OECD國家的總工時差距了多少這個就去年2023已經變前年了去年還沒有出來這是勞動部還有OECD官網的數字你們知道差距多少嗎 部長你知道嗎部長不知道 那次長你知道嗎"},{"start":13064.69,"end":13083.706,"text":"我也是說那個就是我們平均一年的總工時台灣在2023年供OECD國家的總工時差距多少是你直接回答我時間不多你知道嗎不知道OECD各國的連總工時也不一樣平均總工時"},{"start":13086.414,"end":13092.522,"text":"好 沒關係那我來講OECD國家它一年就是1742個小時這是平均對那台灣是202020202020所以這樣差起來是278個小時"},{"start":13101.574,"end":13110.961,"text":"所以站在這樣的一個立場但是呢OECD平均它人均所得在2023年是46724美元那我們台灣是32442美元所以我想請教劉部長跟我們這個"},{"start":13122.047,"end":13146.464,"text":"李次長那你們是不是認同就是說其實即便勞工應該說我們勞動人口我們如果台灣價多其實對整個的GDP或是影響是不是一個有直接性的就是說不會放假多我們的GDP就弱吧這點你們認同吧"},{"start":13148.921,"end":13172.546,"text":"我們認為各行業的狀況確實不一樣對對對我沒有再跟你進入細節因為各行業有差別嘛那OECD國家他難道沒有各行業嗎也有嘛那我剛剛也聽到就是說部長也回那個劉部長也回答很多委員就是說好那有一些大企業歸大企業但中小企業要照顧我們都認同那但是"},{"start":13173.931,"end":13193.202,"text":"世界各國還有很多先進國家他也都有很多中小企業啊所以我想這個應該不是主要的原因應該是在於剛剛部長你也有講現在要整合嘛對不對我們要整合現在大家有這樣的一個共識包含民調也"},{"start":13194.382,"end":13220.812,"text":"這個有60幾%將近七成的民眾都希望我們應該可以當然剛剛部長講說這個有很多版本加起來有二三十天的假其實我相信大家一定不是希望這樣而是說在現有的基礎上我們是不是可以增加嘛我們可以增加一天兩天三天所以這個部分部長你認同吧雖然你們還在凝聚共識吧"},{"start":13222.571,"end":13238.713,"text":"那個委員你提的版本是五天不是啦不是啦我是說那五天都是大家期望我們民意代表嘛我不是說要放五天我們可以漸進式嘛你看先放一天兩天也可以啊"},{"start":13239.233,"end":13263.604,"text":"我想委員的想法非常的好你都還記得每個委員提幾天你們有做表格因為這樣子所以如果說我們的立法院的各個提案的版本能夠針對剛剛委員所提到的不堅持自己要提案的多少天數為主慢慢就會有共識出來但是目前我所聽到的很多人都很堅持自己的部分我想說"},{"start":13266.365,"end":13292.085,"text":"也就是我刚所说的如果说立法院跟行政系统这边有一定共识的话那我们就很快可以去拟定出来未来的方向那我们会按照这样子的方向来去对很好所以我们其实应该就说大家朝向说我们现在的工时比OECD国家这个平均真的多太多了所以我们其实可以"},{"start":13292.845,"end":13322.025,"text":"朝向譬如說多放一天兩天我們先這樣逐步來推進所以本席馬上看到的就是說民調最高的就是勞動節那勞動節現在勞工已經放假只剩下軍公教那剛剛劉部長也說這個目的事業主管機關其實現在就這個執政黨就是我們民進黨所以從行政院到人事行政總署到內政部到勞動部其實你們可以盡快有共識"},{"start":13323.205,"end":13351.132,"text":"五一而且现在就是只剩军工架你要不要给他放那这个应该可以尽快的来拟定共识那再来就是我们现在针对这个我不知道我拿到的数据也许有很多人做但都差不多至少前四名好像大家都差不多那我这边第二名是行限纪念日第三名是教师节再来第四名台湾光复节所以在这样的情况下"},{"start":13352.012,"end":13380.309,"text":"是不是我们也可以朝向这个比如像教师节我们对老师的这个理解跟尊重还有尊师重道那当然很多人会讲其实每个节日大家都有一个理由嘛那但是呢其实现在的社会其实老师真的是很辛苦这个时代的变化再加上我们也发现其实教育对台湾来说真的非常非常重要那教育工作者"},{"start":13380.769,"end":13402.217,"text":"我們怎麼樣來對他的尊重所以是不是可以考慮教師節至於行獻紀念日跟光復節這就是對我們歷史的意義還有歷史的尊重這個部分所以本席希望我們勞動部還有內政部這邊是不是像剛剛部長也有講"},{"start":13403.157,"end":13430.986,"text":"我們不要說哦對啊這個大家都堅持但是我們可以就最有共識的還有民調這個其實勞動部跟內政部都可以這個去做一下民調你們自己做的也許你更相信然後你看看民眾的這個需求那再來就是其實我們剛剛一開始提出來的那我們要跟世界先進國家我們要一起努力嘛所以民眾台灣"},{"start":13432.787,"end":13459.208,"text":"這個經濟奇蹟就是我們所有民眾還有甚至我們勞工朋友大家共同努力的但是更好的生活品質更多的休閒我相信會讓他們在工作上願意付出更多所以從這個角度出發所以我們希望內政部勞動部這裡跟我們行政院這裡可以朝向這個方向來給我們這個紀念日跟假日呢我們逐步的來推進一天兩天三天"},{"start":13460.73,"end":13484.972,"text":"希望我們今年可以有一個共識那明年呢大家可以歡喜的放假那我們更希望我們因為有了很好的假期休閒那我們的整個的產值我們整個的GDP可以更高好不好可以嗎部長今年可以努力吧現在已經在努力了報告委員我們現在努力可是您剛講的一天兩天三天可以討論可是你剛講就四天了啊"},{"start":13485.572,"end":13510.874,"text":"不是啦 那我四天我沒有堅持我一定四天我都很努力在聽你講的部分對 我說四天是說民調有這四天嘛那但是你看一天兩天 你們就開始有一些作為出來民眾就會感受到 對 你有重視到我們台灣的工時過長我們開始逐步的減少推進 增加大家的放假休閒嘛部長可以嗎 可以吧"},{"start":13512.505,"end":13540.121,"text":"剛剛有提到我們盡量趕快有共識出來那不好意思最後我再佔用一分鐘的時間請次長回座部長我們現在有一個問題在102年的時候那時候第八屆本席當第八屆立委的時候那時候陳其邁委員他提案刪除了當時中央行政單位從行政院到各部會首長副首長的特別費"},{"start":13541.041,"end":13563.623,"text":"三減 他提案三一半 最後立法院決議是三二十五趴這樣一三就是十幾年那在隔年一百零三年的時候那個主計總署他就發了一個公文就要求地方行政單位行政機關的首長副首長要比照那這個"},{"start":13564.964,"end":13586.191,"text":"我們會覺得不合理因為中央行政單位的經費是立法院在監督制衡但實際上縣市政府或者是鄉鎮市公所他們是有代表會跟縣市議會在監督所以用一個什麼共同性費用編列基準"},{"start":13587.011,"end":13605.88,"text":"好像不是那麼恰當所以這樣一山就十一年現在地方鄉鎮市長有這個聲音是不是就是可以恢復鄉鎮市長的可以恢復但我知道這個足跡總署還有內政部所以這一塊是不是可以請部長"},{"start":13607.24,"end":13629.067,"text":"因為我們已經有問過主席總書 主席總書希望內政部可以主動提出來所以本席不好意思 用一點點時間 部長您認為呢就是說我們鄉鎮市長他的特別費 你給代表會他去決議就好你沒有必要說我現在立法院三中央部會的你就拉地方首長來 你一起跟我一樣"},{"start":13630.527,"end":13639.374,"text":"這一塊您的看法我對當時的提案不是那麼了解但是行政院大概人事行政總署跟主計總署那時候國民黨執政嘛國民黨官方執政陳其邁委員就刪嘛一般共同性的這個包括這個預算的處理原則那地方製度法裡面當然是內政部由負責來督導"},{"start":13650.362,"end":13657.325,"text":"那是不是讓我們有一點時間來瞭解一下這個狀況因為目前一個月內可以回覆我先來瞭解一下那個狀況因為目前我們114年很多特資費也都被刪掉了我現在講的是公則嘛我在為地方講話啦我知道"},{"start":13669.19,"end":13694.536,"text":"所以我現在先按照行政院的主計總處跟我們人總裡面的共通性的刪減原則特別針對地方不要把地方拉上來現在中央歸中央是不是有漢格的地方我來瞭解一下然後我會盡快跟委員來做回覆好 謝謝好 謝謝徐欽委員我們休息五分鐘大家上個廁所對 我剛剛有宣告"},{"start":13922.076,"end":13922.548,"text":"i know"},{"start":14072.449,"end":14088.5,"text":"報告委員會我們繼續開會接下來我們請洪孟楷委員質詢主席謝謝好主席謝謝麻煩請劉世芳部長跟我們勞動部次長劉部長理事長有請"},{"start":14093.077,"end":14113.516,"text":"本席今天早上提案說明其實也開宗明義講得非常清楚我相信您一定都有聽到我想在針對今天召委所排定的這個不管是國定假日相關的一個修法其實我們要的是兩個部分第一法制化我們的一個修法第二我們也希望是能夠來符合國情以及符合照顧"},{"start":14114.256,"end":14133.395,"text":"全體同仁的一個權益來努力那您剛也提到很多的委員的這個答詢裡面就行政部門跟立法部門這邊要取得共識嘛 對不對是的好 共識非常重要所以我相信共識絕對不是說是鐵板一塊或是說絕對不是說著是而今非這一點你認同吧"},{"start":14135.929,"end":14158.362,"text":"當然啊認同嗎好來我先請教剛剛有提到是說勞動部這邊有揭露的這個全國際工時比較裡面OECD的這個比較勞動部次長您有提到你們這邊有列出來是說全國主要國家裡面我們台灣的人均工時是第五高亞洲主要國家第二高僅次於新加坡對吧是"},{"start":14159.13,"end":14188.164,"text":"所以說對於我們這邊來講的話給予勞工正向的一個支持並且來減輕勞工的一個工時條件這是不是應該是我們勞動部努力的方向是 我們勞動部一貫是希望這樣好 那請教一下勞動部今天我們針對我們的這個提案裡面勞動部你們的立場是什麼針對個別委員的一個版本裡面你們針對於不管是恢復勞工七天假或者是說現在勞工一年國定假日幾天"},{"start":14189.941,"end":14200.209,"text":"國定假日剛那個劉部長上午有講你不會勞動部如果是勞工的話12天是12天勞工的話11天對勞動部不要說還有勞工的國定假日還要問內政部好不好"},{"start":14201.837,"end":14227.972,"text":"要加一天好來那請教一下你們今天的一個報告裡面針對勞工剛剛已經開宗明義講了OECD裡面的國家裡面我們全台灣是平均人均工時第二高亞洲國家第二高那我們勞動部對於委員提案要幫勞工多爭取一些國定假日的立場你們今天的報告是什麼你們立場是什麼我們認為要通盤檢討各行業的工時狀況營運模式好"},{"start":14231.55,"end":14249.772,"text":"那減少加班工時我們認為是更重要的途徑那至於國定價的調整這個要通盤檢討通盤檢討這個今天部長沒有來但是在這個報告出來之前有沒有跟部長討論過當然有當然有嘛那你知道部長之前的態度跟立場是什麼嗎"},{"start":14251.018,"end":14266.98,"text":"部長在委員的時代可能因為那時候我是去年底才到廣東部服務的去年這不重要啊但是你說你今天報告來的時候你有跟部長討論過啊那部長的立場跟態度是什麼"},{"start":14268.062,"end":14285.639,"text":"總是他不會著是驚飛吧不會不會以前他當紅委員的時候他覺得是說要增加價結果現在當紅部長的時候他就覺得說不應該鐵板一塊早上我在一開始部會報告的時候我就有提我們中央部的立場就各行業的不是啊我在問的是部長的立場是什麼知不知道"},{"start":14286.34,"end":14311.894,"text":"你已經 你剛先講 你有討論過早上我們報告的內 我報告的內容就代表勞工部也代表那個洪部長他都已經看過了是 對那但是部長之前的立場 來我們看一下來 下一張來洪森漢委員在第十屆委員的時候他共同提案希望能夠增加勞工三天的國定假日啊他要增加哪三天 知道嗎"},{"start":14312.947,"end":14337.18,"text":"不知道嘛因為你剛剛講的是說勞動部的立場是跟紅部長討論過結果紅部長給出的這個勞動部的報告裡面是鐵板一塊不增加沒有增加任何一天其實本席本席早上開宗明義我早上就已經報告過了我們剛剛不認為這個是有討論空間的是嘛有討論空間嘛但是重點是為什麼之前的紅委員他提出來是說要增加三天假嘛"},{"start":14338.907,"end":14358.803,"text":"這沒有矛盾啊這哪裡沒有矛盾因為我們早上已經講我們不認為有討論空間市長說實在話有討論空間跟說要不要增加本席也支持啊本席也支持是說我們要減輕加班時數我們要增加勞工權益我們要增加不管是這個相關的薪資這不衝突嗎是這不衝突吧當然"},{"start":14361.085,"end":14384.227,"text":"對啊 好 當然你既然回答當然本席就事論事我很心平氣和 理直氣順跟你討論的是說我們不需要看到雙重標準本席今天早上提案說明也講了很多委員有版本但是到最後我們可以互相溝通討論但是如果說你不本於科學立場以及數據的話那我覺得說這樣子就變成是說行政部門只是在硬拗來 看一下"},{"start":14385.795,"end":14403.597,"text":"紅委員當時有提案一個版本連署三個版本其中他自己的提案裡面從原本勞工的國定假日12天要增加三天變成15天而其中增加的就是全國客家日、原住民族日跟國際移民日三天"},{"start":14404.96,"end":14425.752,"text":"他也有連署連署最多的版本是要增加6天到從12天變成18天增加的有包括全國客家日、原住民族日、國際移民日消防節、警察節跟軍人節等6天所以換言之過去洪森翰委員部長在擔任委員的時候他認為說應該調整那個時候民進黨獨大"},{"start":14431.408,"end":14447.12,"text":"國會過半了民進黨如果說想推的話早就推過了 碾壓沒有推但至少這是歷史的紀錄留下來代表說他那個時候說認為可以幫勞工爭取一些應有的權益"},{"start":14448.411,"end":14471.298,"text":"結果到現在當了部長之後今天拿出來的報告勞動部的報告請大家齊文共賞一下去看一下勞動部的報告是先開中名義講各行各業不同那如果說各行各業不同業務沒有辦法多段的話那請到現在放假怎麼辦那結果鐵板一塊到最後沒有要增加任何一天"},{"start":14473.576,"end":14487.084,"text":"黃委員早上我已經多次口頭報告市長你多次口頭報告但是又沒有回答到本席現在的問題嘛所以你早上的報告不管你講一百遍你的答案沒有辦法跟本席的問題連結在一起你就是一個無效的溝通啊來 部長是學姊啦學姊所以"},{"start":14491.087,"end":14513.652,"text":"不苛責但是部長我覺得說剛剛因為你跟劉雪婷召委也有針對說五一勞動節的部分其實我覺得我們最有共識各委員版本以及過去民進黨委員也提出的版本裡面針對五一勞動節是希望是全國一致性的放假那也會讓整個社會比較平穩的能夠推動運行順暢"},{"start":14516.325,"end":14544.221,"text":"那部長現在我們有很多委員提出的版本是說是不是五一勞動節能夠一致全國一致適用放假您怎麼看我剛已經回答過了就是說第一個他要分不同的層次五一勞動節本來勞動者就放假那你變成是全國的軍公教要不要一起放假的話呢這個必須要讓行政院跟行政人士總署還有勞動部因為討論滿久了全國一致性你怎麼看但是如果今天就定案的話就表示我們都沒有共識"},{"start":14544.821,"end":14555.605,"text":"因為沒有人會認為只有五一勞動節是全國放假很多人就是剛剛所說的大家都舉出OECD大家都舉出工時過長所以勞動部他現在解決是相當多是勞動工時的問題但是五一勞動節對於勞動部來講他已經解決了勞動節有沒有放假的問題所以我說如果今天就定案的話是表示沒有共識不是"},{"start":14574.738,"end":14595.417,"text":"部長您沒有聽清楚本席的問題我再問一次我講的是說勞工現在已經12天有包含五一勞動節放假但是軍公教以及其他的人員沒有放五一勞動節但是很多人會覺得說五一勞動節其實因為全國沒有一致放假而造成說可能各行各業有不同的一些困擾"},{"start":14596.198,"end":14624.362,"text":"那很多從第九屆第十屆到現在第十一屆都有討論是說是不是要全國一致性我想過去有一些民進黨的委員或者是官員也都對於這件事情其實是正向看待那我們現在只是討論說就全國一致性您認為有沒有這個空間我們也是正向看待但是過去五屆的立法委員都沒有做成共識是表示有很多議題還沒有討論到定案您自己的想法呢我們保持開放的態度可以來討論您自己的想法呢"},{"start":14624.662,"end":14635.637,"text":"各位委員所提出來的從一天到九天都有我們沒有提出我們自己我們沒有提出行政院的版本我只是講五一勞動節全國一致您自己的想法怎麼看"},{"start":14636.38,"end":14662.762,"text":"我們支持現在的五一勞動節是勞工放假因為這個是勞動部他們自己根據他們自己在我們的假日實施辦法裡面所提出來的那全國一致的部分全國一致就是全國軍公教要不要放假不是內政部來做決定我剛提到了要有人事行政總書跟勞動部跟相關的部會讓行政院來做決定部長這樣講完來看一下部長在第九屆的時候他連署的提案"},{"start":14664.188,"end":14688.479,"text":"劉士芳委員當時還在立法院的時候認為要全國國定假日一致因為這是蔡英文總統的決策協調會議裡面的才是而劉士芳委員就有連署她認為應該要全體一體適用包括五一勞動節但現在剛剛部長的回答很顯然跟第九屆劉士芳委員的想法不一致謝謝"},{"start":14689.039,"end":14700.052,"text":"那時候的提案是可討論,但是因為沒有過,所以藉其不續審可討論,但是你的立場是這樣嗎?藉其不續審你的立場是這樣嗎?是的好,謝謝好,謝謝洪孟楷委員下一位我們請黃國昌委員質詢"},{"start":14717.673,"end":14745.262,"text":"謝謝主席,事事麻煩有請我們原民會的主委曾主委有請也請內政部的部長,劉部長有請主委好,部長好,先請教主委之前原民會辦一個原住民族人口基礎資料庫規劃還有建制研究這個研究執行到什麼時候?"},{"start":14748.558,"end":14751.899,"text":"112年你們在112年的時候執行到112年那113年的預算為什麼還有這個建制研究因為這個還要做一些收尾的工作所以有收尾嗎?有執行嗎?"},{"start":14777.662,"end":14791.945,"text":"後來就是有弄到我們的智慧治理的這個部分來做什麼來你先針對問題回答我們在編預算的原則你有計畫所以要有經費我現在的問題是這個計畫早就終止了為什麼這個計畫終止後面還有編預算剛剛你說到112年來我們來看一下"},{"start":14806.087,"end":14823.871,"text":"112年就沒有再執行這是白紙黑字審計部的調查報告出來現在我非常的困惑我們的園民會預算到底是怎麼編的從112年就沒這個計畫這個計畫到111年就結束了我們再回去看一下"},{"start":14831.226,"end":14843.749,"text":"你們園民會的預算書啊112年113年每一年都還有這個計畫執行每一年都在編經費那現在出現的問題是什麼現在出現的問題是你們在虛編預算執行幽靈計畫嗎"},{"start":14851.425,"end":14853.249,"text":"這個計畫111年就終止了為什麼112年113年的預算數還出現這個計畫主委可不可以說明一下"},{"start":14864.765,"end":14880.274,"text":"這怎麼回事啊我們還有一些維運的計畫 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譬如說本來是申請制然後變成一部分的報備制那其實是朝著這個方向在處理我們希望是審慎的處理而不是斷崖式的處理所以那時候賴清德的主張是斷崖式的處理嗎"},{"start":15370.942,"end":15387.1,"text":"沒有 它是它的主張主張跟處理的方式是牽涉到在行政部門的執行的方式那行政部門的執行方式就是剛剛我跟委員報告的部分因為你在司法區域或是相關的司法單位的話不是行政部門 而是司法部門"},{"start":15388.081,"end":15408.392,"text":"然後行政部門包括醫院等等這些一受到騷擾會干擾到病患或是干擾到去司法院處理一些他們的司法的業務的部分的話那這個必須要比較多的時間跟他們溝通所以你剛剛講的那些考慮賴清德當初在主張廢除禁制區的時候都沒有想到就對了"},{"start":15409.116,"end":15425.477,"text":"他是一個原則我們根據這個原則在處理他當初提的原則不就是要廢除經濟區嗎來來來紅色的字啊你要念一下嗎白紙黑字啊寫得這麼清楚的東西啊立場有改變就改變嘛有轉彎就轉彎嘛來"},{"start":15429.368,"end":15454.143,"text":"這個是當初2008年一路到現在2016年那個時候結果到現在就沒有然後了部長說要研議某個程度上我並不反對但是一個法案從2016年都是民進黨政府主政行政部門全部都是民進黨政府研議到現在2025年"},{"start":15456.664,"end":15461.115,"text":"請問部長還要再研議多久?還是一樣沒有時間表,有可能一路研議到2028年"},{"start":15464.349,"end":15484.916,"text":"我無法在這個地方跟委員會明確的回答所以當初在提證件的時候,怎麼提都可以嗎?真的要實現證件的時候,開始問題一堆啊、藉口一堆啊,說要延續大家也都同意嘛重點是什麼?從2016年延續到2025年啊,接下來還要再延續多久?"},{"start":15488.337,"end":15516.997,"text":"仍然會在研議當中我知道 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有請劉部長劉部長有請"},{"start":15592.46,"end":15609.692,"text":"部長好現行的紀念日及節日實施辦法裡面在第四條這麼寫著就是這些民俗節日除了春節放假三日之外其餘均放假一日那我們可以看到像春節"},{"start":15610.792,"end":15627.986,"text":"民族扫墓节端午节中秋节农历除夕这些对原住民来讲都是属于汉人的碎石记忆但是呢在第六条有一个原住民族的碎石记忆特别提到就是圆明会"},{"start":15629.366,"end":15645.876,"text":"關於到底要放假哪一天可以參酌各個原住民族的習俗然後公告刊登在政府公報那我今天我特別就是要提到我的訴求那這訴求不是源自於我而是多年來"},{"start":15646.917,"end":15674.537,"text":"各地族人不同的一個呼求就是希望說政府呢這個美意為德不足啊希望可以把碎石計一架可以從一天可以增加到三天那為什麼我這樣說因為當時園民會也做了懶人包那發給大家告訴大家說架要怎麼放那他說具備原住民身份的可以從自己或他的配偶"},{"start":15675.037,"end":15699.217,"text":"父母呢来择一日来放假那可是我们遇到的困境就是说请假很难为什么呢因为我们这个叫做行政命令的规定嘛那么这个原住民族碎石记忆呢可以放一天可是很多人他们会提到说雇主不给假甚至"},{"start":15699.978,"end":15716.607,"text":"我們會不敢請因為雇主會說請假之後就不要再回來所以這個部分勞動部當時也有提就是說不行啊這個雇主如果不給假的話依法可以採取新台幣兩萬至一百元"},{"start":15718.368,"end":15737.437,"text":"所以100萬元所以這個部分勞工不知道其實也很多的老闆不知道所以整個感覺上就是整個社會還有部會的一個溝通是很不足的那我就想要請教一下就是部長如果我們的春節只放一天假您會不會返鄉"},{"start":15742.423,"end":15758.033,"text":"春節只放一天假我會不會返鄉事實上就不存在啊因為農曆除夕也放假所以事實上不存在我不回答如果的問題那如果說清明掃墓節放一天你會不會回去"},{"start":15760.18,"end":15775.442,"text":"請問要回去哪裡我就住在這裡老家呢老家對我來講移動都不是困難那如果是要清明掃墓的話我們會擇期只要家人同意就可以了所以比較不會是因為那如果是中秋節呢"},{"start":15778.886,"end":15800.563,"text":"報告委員我想我們以前擔任民意代表都知道放假日越多只是讓民意代表越累而已跟哪一天放假其實沒有太大的差別現在我要講的就是政府一直以來這些年特別我們從陳水扁政府以來我們制定了很多關於原住民族的權益"},{"start":15801.664,"end":15821.442,"text":"不論是在語言的復振、文化的復振我們打的口號就是說過去政府剝奪拿走的尤其是民進黨政府我們非常的鼓勵要重新做語言文化的復振但是我剛剛有講您剛剛講的應該是說民進黨政府並沒有剝奪也沒有拿走那是過去國民黨政府"},{"start":15825.525,"end":15842.471,"text":"党政时期的时候对但是在民进党政府时期我们可以看到包括很多我们的原住民身份法等等原基法等等都得到很多权益跟转型正义的回复现在我就是要讲"},{"start":15843.371,"end":15870.605,"text":"以我們原住民族散落在山巔水崖像蘭嶼我們現在都知道原住民族尤其是內政部的人口統計超過50%都已經移居到渡惠地區所以呢當要去做這種所謂的文化復政的時候很辛苦像蘭嶼的達物族人他有祭典政府告訴他可以放一天假"},{"start":15871.405,"end":15885.429,"text":"但是他要花很多的時間跟交通工具要回到他的家鄉去放這個假我們可以講他根本沒有辦法我剛剛談的是雇主有很多的刁難現在我講的是時間上有很多的困難"},{"start":15890.45,"end":15893.173,"text":"那像這樣的一個狀況就會造成說他還需要返鄉嗎他還要去過他的碎死記憶嗎所以我常常說觀念決定一切也許我們的全民原教我們的社會溝通還不足像很多人放假碎死記憶以排灣族的五年紀來講Malva"},{"start":15911.371,"end":15927.759,"text":"他其實前前後後需要15天那以阿賴族一律信他也是要從前一個月就要集合訓練學習技能才有辦法參加他們所謂的一個豐年祭一律信"},{"start":15928.479,"end":15951.198,"text":"那這個部分其實我們也不過只放一天所以呢對很多人來講他的交通時間成本他很難放假第二個他的雇主也很難給假因為不理解有那麼重要嗎你有需要嗎所以我很高興的是說我們有看到全民原教的一環就是有一個叫做多元文化假"},{"start":15952.138,"end":15955.382,"text":"現在有一些大學 像是台大、政大 每學期可以請兩天像政大是每學年可以請兩天 但是這是大學自治 不是每個大學都會有這樣的規定"},{"start":15971.46,"end":15994.913,"text":"所以呢我們總希望說政府總是要有個規念像我們現在的這個紀念日及節日的實施辦法它就是一個規念那我想要請教部長的就是說我不是問同意你是否認同像這種原住民的碎石記憶架可以增加到三天這是大多數原住民族人的呼求"},{"start":15996.074,"end":16022.225,"text":"報告委員我想你講的放假的部分齁如果用這樣的方式是治標不治本在內政部所主導的裡面原住民族的遂時寄宜他本來就可以放假但是你告訴我說因為他交通的關係因為他沒有辦法回去的關係所以增加變成三天那增加三天的勞動成本有沒有社會共識就是跟我們今天所討論的一樣有沒有社會共識所以我所以"},{"start":16023.706,"end":16044.305,"text":"同時的問題的話就要回歸到原來的每個部會裡面在討論我們這樣的做法對不對部長我現在要談的就是這樣我希望說不要治標不治本我們用標的方式要治本這件事情的話呢包括增加一天那剛剛我聽原民會的主委在提有些部落他們可能做這個"},{"start":16047.761,"end":16072.366,"text":"長達一個月的這個時間那我們怎麼樣去回覆這個原民的同胞對於遂時祭儀的認同對於我們來講它是一個紀念它是一個尊重原住民族但是原住民族太多不同的族群有不同的遂時祭儀的狀況之下我們也只能夠說放假一天那包括委員所提案的部分的話你提到的你還幫客家人提案"},{"start":16073.186,"end":16094.14,"text":"有客家人談我的提案我只講說是記憶因為這是我最低微的最低的訴求但是你提到的都只有一天你今天突然提到變成三天那這樣子是不是可以獲得所有的全國的人的認同然後把它放到這個假日裡面我覺得還是要回復到原來內政部所制定的全國的版本那部長我跟您說剛才你提到治標 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好 那我先問到這邊好 謝謝主席 謝謝部長好 謝謝李昆城委員 下一位我們請黃建豪委員質詢黃建豪委員 黃建豪委員不在下一位我們請賴世保委員質詢賴世保委員 賴世保委員好 不在下一位我們請林俊憲委員質詢林俊憲委員 林俊憲委員不在下一位我們請林倩琦委員質詢林倩琦委員 林倩琦委員不在好 下一位我們請葉元之委員質詢"},{"start":17834.144,"end":17834.624,"text":"我們今天要討論"},{"start":17847.403,"end":17863.736,"text":"有關於放假的問題因為這個放假問題有幾個層次第一個層次是到底要不要不應該要放第二個是如果要的話放幾天第三個是要放如果可以放的話放什麼假我想問一下部長你現在態度是什麼"},{"start":17864.316,"end":17883.447,"text":"是說都不能放我想我在上次在立法院院會跟院長陪同的時候有特別提到我們是希望維持現狀也就是按照現在我們的一個實施辦法來處理那因為我們有詢問過法務部法務部認為說我們並沒有侵犯到人民限制他的權利"},{"start":17884.568,"end":17897.963,"text":"沒有侵犯到限制他的權利事項所以按照現在的辦法按照行政命令來講是可以的那但是公佈每一年的放假日的話是由行政院的人事行政總處他們是依照公務員服務法的相關規定來公佈的"},{"start":17899.805,"end":17916.198,"text":"是 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世界母女日 2月21日四 和平纪念日 2月28日五 言论自由日 4月7日六 劳动权益日 5月1日七 环境日 6月5日八 解严纪念日 7月15日九 原住民族日 8月1日十 国庆日 10月10日十一 台湾女权日 11月30日十二 世界人权日 12月10日十三 国际移民日 12月18日"},{"start":19231.736,"end":19249.758,"text":"委员刘许婷等提案委员张志伦等提案委员罗廷伟等提案第三条纪念日之名成几日起如下一中华民国开国纪念日一月一日二和平纪念日二月二十八日三国赋试纪念日三月十二日四革命先烈纪念日三月二十九日五言论自由日四月七日六解业纪念日七月十五日"},{"start":19250.599,"end":19265.938,"text":"7.原住民族日8月1日8.中战纪念日8月15日9.国家防灾日9月21日10.孔子诞辰纪念日9月28日11.国庆日10月10日12.联合国日10月24日13.台湾光复纪念日10月25日14.国父诞辰纪念日11月12日"},{"start":19267.159,"end":19294.607,"text":"十五行宪纪念日十二月二十五日委员陈玉珍等提案第三条本法制纪念日如下一中华民国开国纪念日一月一日二和平纪念日二月二十八日三国父逝世纪念日三月十二日四革命先烈纪念日三月二十九日五佛陀诞辰纪念日农历四月八日六解严纪念日七月十五日七八二三纪念日八月二十三日八孔子诞辰纪念日九月二十八日九国庆日十月十日十国父诞辰纪念日十一月十二日"},{"start":19295.727,"end":19321.959,"text":"11.行宪纪念日12月25日台湾民众党党团提案第三条纪念日如下1.中华民国开国纪念日1月1日2.全国客家日农历1月20日3.和平纪念日2月28日4.国父事实纪念日3月12日5.反侵略日3月14日6.革命先烈纪念日3月29日7.言论自由日4月7日8.佛陀诞辰纪念日农历4月8日9.节言纪念日7月15日8.原住民族日8月1日"},{"start":19323.678,"end":19352.125,"text":"十一孔子诞辰纪念日九月二十八日十二国庆日十月十日十三台湾联合国日十月二十四日十四国父诞辰纪念日十一月十二日十五国际移民日十二月十八日十六行性纪念日十二月二十五日委员郑天才等提案第三条国家纪念日证明称及日期如下一中华民国开国纪念日一月一日二和平纪念日二月二十八日三反侵略日三月十四日四革命先烈纪念日三月二十九日五佛陀诞辰纪念日农历四月八日"},{"start":19353.005,"end":19379.828,"text":"6.解延纪念日7月15日7.援助民族纪念日8月1日8.孔子诞辰纪念日9月28日9.国庆日10月10日10.台湾联合国日10月24日11.国父诞辰纪念日11月12日12.行宪纪念日12月25日13.民族平等纪念日由政府征许援助民族明定日期委员王洪威等提案第一项第一款至第六款第八款至第十二款同委员郑天才等提案并着作文字修整"},{"start":19380.768,"end":19398.264,"text":"第七款为七八二三纪念日八月二十三日第二项为国父逝世纪念日在三月十二日植树节举行委员徐玉珍等提案第三条纪念日之名称及日期如下一中华民国开国纪念日一月一日二和平纪念日二月二十八日三国父逝世纪念日三月十二日"},{"start":19398.724,"end":19416.393,"text":"四反侵略日3月14日五革命先烈纪念日3月29日六佛陀诞辰纪念日农历4月8日七抗战纪念日7月7日八解严纪念日7月15日九孔子诞辰纪念日9月28日十国庆日10月10日十一台湾联合国日10月24日十二台湾光复纪念日10月25日"},{"start":19417.794,"end":19438.1,"text":"十三国赋诞产纪念日十一月十二日十四行限纪念日十二月二十五日委员杨琼云等提案第三条纪念日如下一中华民国开国纪念日一月一日二全国客家日农历一月二十日三和平纪念日二月二十八日四国赋试纪念日三月十二日五言论自由日四月七日六解研纪念日七月十五日七元驻民族日八月一日"},{"start":19438.94,"end":19456.53,"text":"8.中战纪念日8月15日9.国家防灾日9月21日10.孔子弹厂纪念日9月28日11.国庆日10月10日12.台湾联合国日10月24日13.台湾关户纪念日10月25日14.国库弹厂纪念日11月12日15.国际移民日12月18日16.行进纪念日12月25日"},{"start":19458.271,"end":19476.423,"text":"委員林思明等提案第一項第十三款為十三台灣光復紀念日十月二十五日第十六款為十六全國客家日十二月二十八日其餘同委員鄭天才等提案第二項同委員王宏威等提案第二項委員翁曉林等提案第三條紀念日之名稱及日期如下"},{"start":19476.863,"end":19492.98,"text":"一中华民国开国纪念日1月1日二全国客家日农历1月20日三和平纪念日2月28日四革命先烈纪念日3月29日五国父逝世纪念日3月12日六佛陀诞辰纪念日农历4月8日七解延纪念日7月15日八元祝民族日8月1日"},{"start":19493.641,"end":19517.457,"text":"九八二三纪念日八月二十三日十孔子诞辰纪念日九月二十八日十一国庆日十月十日十二台湾光复纪念日十月二十五日十三国赋诞辰纪念日十一月十二日十四行宪纪念日十二月二十五日委员叶炎之等提案第一项删除第三款第七款及第十二款其余同委员徐玉珍等提案第二项同委员王洪威等提案第二项"},{"start":19518.297,"end":19537.532,"text":"委员林庆起等提案第十三款修正为十三民族平等纪念日三月二十一日其余同委员郑天才等提案委员许志杰等提案第三条国定纪念日之名称计日期如下一元诞一月一日二和平纪念日二月二十八日三革命先烈纪念日三月二十九日四佛陀诞辰纪念日农历四月八日"},{"start":19538.232,"end":19559.173,"text":"5.解研纪念日7月15日6.言论自由日4月7日7.原住民族日8月1日8.国庆日10月10日9.国父诞辰纪念日11月12日10.国家棒球日11月24日11.国际移民日12月18日12.全国客家日12月28日13.行宪纪念日12月25日国父试试纪念日在3月12日指数节举行"},{"start":19560.374,"end":19584.044,"text":"委員魯明哲等提案第二款為全國客家日農曆一月二十日增加第五款五革命先烈紀念日三月二十九日刪除第十五款其餘同委員楊瓊英等提案並調整款次委員洪孟凱等提案第三條國定假日之名稱及日期如下一中華民國開國紀念日一月一日二除夕農曆十二月之末日"},{"start":19584.464,"end":19613.626,"text":"三春节农历一月一日至一月三日四和平纪念日二月二十八日五儿童节四月四日六清明节四月五日或前后一日七言论自由日四月七日八劳动节五月一日九端午节农历五月五日十解研纪念日七月十五日十一原住民族日八月一日十二中秋节农历八月十五日十三国民体育日九月九日十四国家房债日九月二十一日十五孔子诞辰纪念日九月二十八日十六国庆日十月十日"},{"start":19614.306,"end":19637.029,"text":"十七行限紀念日十二月二十五日前項鎖定國定假日為放假日但兒童節與親民節為同一日時由主管機關依第五條規定公告調整兒童節放假之日除第一項規定外為尊重原住民族碎石記憶舉行之必要各原住民族部落得責定碎石記憶三日為放假日於前一年十月三四一日前報請主管機關公告之"},{"start":19640.816,"end":19659.466,"text":"委員高金素梅等提案第四條前條所列紀念日放假以下列規定辦理一元旦放假一日二全國客家日放假一日三和平紀念日放假一日四元住民族日放假一日五國慶日放假一日六國紀念日放假一日前項以外至紀念日均不放假"},{"start":19661.345,"end":19679.925,"text":"委员吴丽华等提案第四条前条所列之国定假日纪念日放假以下列规定办理一元旦放假一日二全国客家日放假一日和平纪念日三和平纪念日放假一日四劳动权一日放假一日五原住民族日放假一日六国亲日放假一日七国亲移民日放假一日"},{"start":19680.706,"end":19708.727,"text":"委员刘许婷等提案第四条委员张志伦等提案第四条下列纪念日均放假一日其余均不放假一中华民国开国纪念日二和平纪念日三解严纪念日四原住民族日五国家防灾日六孔子诞辰纪念日七国庆日八行宪纪念日委员徐玉珍等提案第四条下列纪念日均放假一日其余均不放假一中华民国开国纪念日二和平纪念日三国庆日四台湾光复纪念日五行宪纪念日"},{"start":19709.648,"end":19738.206,"text":"委員楊瓊英等提案第四條前條所列紀念日放假以下列規定辦理一中華民國開國紀念日二全國客家日三和平紀念日四原住民族日五國慶日前下以外之紀念日均不放假委員林思敏等提案第四條前條以下紀念日均放假一日一中華民國開國紀念日二和平紀念日三國慶日四臺灣光復紀念日五行縣紀念日其他紀念日之紀念活動與方式由中央及地方政府分別明定"},{"start":19739.207,"end":19752.76,"text":"委员翁晓琳等提案第四条下列纪念日时是放假一中华民国开国纪念日放假一日二和平纪念日放假一日三国庆日放假一日四台湾光复纪念日放假一日五行宪纪念日放假一日"},{"start":19753.888,"end":19769.298,"text":"委員賴世保等提案第四條前條各紀念日期紀念方式如下依中華民國開國紀念日國慶日行限紀念日全國應懸掛國旗中央及地方政府分別舉行紀念活動各機關團體學校亦得分別舉行紀念活動放假一日"},{"start":19770.218,"end":19775.723,"text":"2.和平纪念日全国的巡挂国旗有有关机关团体举行纪念活动放假一日3."},{"start":19775.723,"end":19780.908,"text":"国父逝世纪念日全国的巡挂国旗在植树节植树纪念4."},{"start":19780.908,"end":19788.815,"text":"反侵略日且解研纪念日中华民国台湾联合国日全国的巡挂国旗有关机关团体得分别举行纪念活动5."},{"start":19788.815,"end":19789.816,"text":"革命先烈纪念日"},{"start":19790.416,"end":19808.587,"text":"全国得选挂国旗中央及地方政府分别春季国殇六佛陀诞辰纪念日有有关机关团体举行纪念活动七夏列个纪念日中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动各机关团体学校亦得分别举行纪念活动一孔子诞辰纪念日二国父纪念日诞辰纪念日"},{"start":19809.548,"end":19836.358,"text":"委員明旭廷等提案第七條委員徐宇貞等提案第七條委員魯明哲等提案第七條委員張志倫等提案第七條紀念日中央及地方政府應懸掛國旗並依下列規定辦理一中華民國開國紀念日孔子誕辰紀念日及國慶日舉行紀念活動二革命先烈紀念日舉行春季國殤三其他紀念日得依其性質舉行紀念活動各機關團體及學校得依紀念日及節日之性質舉行"},{"start":19837.418,"end":19865.608,"text":"纪念庆祝或民俗等相关活动委员陈玉珍等提案第四条前条各纪念日全国悬挂国旗其纪念方式如下一中华民国开国纪念日国庆日行宪纪念日中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动各机关团体学校亦得分别举行纪念活动放假一日二和平纪念日八二三纪念日有有关机关团体举行纪念活动放假一日三国赋试纪念日在三月十二日植树节植树纪念"},{"start":19866.688,"end":19886.364,"text":"4.解研纪念日,有有关机关团体举行纪念活动5.革命先烈纪念日,中央及地方政府分别春季国殇6.佛陀诞辰纪念日,有有关机关团体举行纪念活动7.夏列哥纪念日,中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动,各机关团体学校议的分别举行纪念活动1.孔子诞辰纪念日,2.国父诞辰纪念日"},{"start":19887.225,"end":19907.097,"text":"台湾民众党党团提案第四条,续文修正为前条各纪念日放假以下列规定办理,第一至第四款前段删除全国悬挂国旗等文字,第七款增加第三幕三行线纪念日,其余同委员赖世保等提案第四条,委员郑天才等提案第四条,委员林倩琪等提案第四条。"},{"start":19908.158,"end":19936.757,"text":"请调各纪念日全国悬挂国旗其纪念方式如下一中华民国开国纪念日国庆日中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动各机关团体学校亦得分别举行纪念活动放假一日二和平纪念日由有关机关团体举行纪念活动放假一日三国父师事纪念日在植树节植树纪念四反侵略日佛头诞辰纪念日解研纪念日援助民族纪念日台湾联合国日由有关机关团体举行纪念活动五革命先烈纪念日中央及地方政府分别春季国殇"},{"start":19937.857,"end":19947.328,"text":"6 夏孽各纪念日中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动各机关团体学校亦得分别举行纪念活动1 孔子诞辰纪念日2 古夫诞辰纪念日3 行县纪念日"},{"start":19954.04,"end":19981.821,"text":"7.民族平等纪念日由有关机关团体举行纪念活动放假一日委员王洪威等提案第四条第一款至第三款及第五款同委员郑天才等提案第四条之第一款至第三款及第五款第四款为4.反侵略日节约纪念日台湾联合国日由有关机关团体举行纪念活动第六款为6.佛陀诞辰纪念日由有关机关团体举行纪念活动第七款同委员郑天才等提案第四条之第七款"},{"start":19982.762,"end":20011.843,"text":"委員葉延之等提案第四條第一項同源王宏偉等提案第四條第二項為下列紀念日均放假一日其餘均不放假一中華民國開國紀念日二和平紀念日三國慶日委員許志傑等提案第四條前條各紀念日除本條第一款規定全國懸掛國旗其他紀念方式如下一元旦和平紀念日國慶日中央及地方政府分別舉行紀念活動各機關團體學校藝德分別舉行紀念活動放假一日"},{"start":20012.663,"end":20035.791,"text":"2.国父逝世纪念日,在植树节植树纪念。3.佛陀诞辰纪念日,解缘纪念日,国父诞辰纪念日,由有关机关团体举行纪念活动。4.革命先烈纪念日,中央及地方政府分别春季国殇。5.言论自由日,原住民族日,国家棒球日,国际移民日,全国客家日,行先纪念日,由中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动。各机关团体学校亦得分别举行纪念活动。"},{"start":20036.451,"end":20061.348,"text":"委员罗廷伟等提案第四条前条各纪念日全国悬挂国旗其纪念方式如下一中华民国开国纪念日国庆日孔子诞辰纪念日台湾光复纪念日行宪纪念日中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动各机关团体学校亦得分别举行纪念活动放假一日二和平纪念日有有关机关团体举行纪念活动放假一日三国父师是纪念日在植树节植树纪念四反七六月日节言纪念日"},{"start":20062.438,"end":20084.746,"text":"金门823炮战纪念日,台湾联合国日,有有关机关团体举行纪念活动。五,革命先烈纪念日,中央及地方政府分别春季国殇。六,佛陀诞辰纪念日,有有关机关团体举行纪念活动。七,国父诞辰纪念日,原住民族日,国家放球日,全国客家日,国家防灾日,由中央及地方政府分别举行纪念活动。各机关团体、学校、义德分别举行纪念活动。"},{"start":20085.606,"end":20101.808,"text":"五元高金素美等提案第五条节日之名称及日期如下一民俗节日一春节农历一月一日二元宵节农历一月十五日三清明节定于清明日四端午节农历五月五日五中秋节农历八月十五日六重阳敬老节农历九月九日"},{"start":20102.629,"end":20129.612,"text":"7.除夕农历12月至末日8.援助民族税时计议由各援助民族部落自行责定报请主管机关公告之9.其他民族及宗教税时计议由各民族及宗教群体自行责定报请各该主管机关公告之2.消防节1月19日3.农民节历春日4.妇女节3月8日5.国际医师节3月30日6.儿童节4月4日7.世界地球日4月22日8.劳动节5月1日9.国际护士节"},{"start":20130.593,"end":20140.286,"text":"5月12日是母亲节5月第二个周日是一警察节6月15日是父亲节8月8日是三祖父母节8月第四个周日14军人节9月3日15教师节9月28日"},{"start":20143.717,"end":20171.853,"text":"委员陈寅等提案第三条国家纪文化节日之名称与日期如下一元旦一月一日二出兴农历十二月之末日三春节农历正月初一至初三四和平纪念日二月十八日五儿童节四月四日五六清明节四月五日或前后一日七端午节农历五月五日八元祝民族日八月一日九中秋节农历八月十五日十国庆日十月十日前向锁定国家纪文化节日为全国放假日"},{"start":20174.5,"end":20197.972,"text":"委员吴丽华等提案第五条第一款第三幕为清明节四月五日或前后一日第三款为农民节农民历至历春日第八款至第十七款分别为八国际护理师节五月十二日九母亲节五月第二个周日是国家海洋日六月八日十一警察节六月十五日十二旷工日七一月十日"},{"start":20198.832,"end":20228.24,"text":"十三父亲节八月八日十四国际青年日八月十二日十五祖父母节八月第四个周日十六军人节九月三日十七教师节九月二十八日其余同委员高金素美等提案第五条委员刘许婷等提案第五条委员鲁明哲等提案第五条委员张志伦等提案第五条节日之名称其日期如下一明暑节日一春节农历一月一日二元宵节农历一月十五日三清明节定于清明日四端午节农历五月五日五中元节农历七月十五日六"},{"start":20228.801,"end":20234.301,"text":"中秋節農曆八月十五日七床牙節農曆九月九日八除夕農曆十二月之末日"},{"start":20235.906,"end":20264.73,"text":"9.原住民族遂时祭仪各该原住民族放假日期有原住民族委员会参着各该原住民族习俗及征询各该原住民族部落意见后公告并刊登政府公报2.消防节1月19日3.农民节定于立春日4.妇女节3月8日5.植树节3月12日6.青年节3月29日7.儿童节4月4日8.劳动节5月1日9.母亲节5月2个星期日10.环境日6月5日11.国家海洋日6月8日"},{"start":20265.83,"end":20291.89,"text":"12.警察节6月15日13.父亲节8月8日14.祖父母节8月第4个星期日15.军人节9月3日16.教师节9月28日17.台湾光复节10月25日18.中华文化复兴节11月12日19.身心障碍者日12月3日20.人权日12月10日21.移民日12月18日22.全国客家日由客家委员会订定后公告并刊登政府公报"},{"start":20292.97,"end":20316.592,"text":"委员需预争等提案第五条节日之名称及日期如下一民俗节日一春节农历一月一日二清明节定于清明日三端午节农历五月五日四中秋节农历八月十五日五除夕农历十二月至末日六原住民族岁时记忆各该原住民族放假日期有原住民族委员会参佐各该原住民族习俗及征询各该原住民族部落意见后公告并刊登政府公报"},{"start":20317.711,"end":20333.509,"text":"二 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