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未結案件卻增加了卻增加了你看看我上面這個表"},{"start":632.955,"end":653.665,"text":"所以現在我們是不是這個事實上包括這個角色混淆我剛所講的調查官跟保護官的角色混淆以及人力的不足啦其實很主要是人力不足啦那這樣你們是不是有什麼樣的改善計畫有沒有提出評估要需要補強的人力那這個在什麼時候能夠提出這個補強的方案"},{"start":657.665,"end":674.713,"text":"謝謝委員我報告一下那因應這些保護管束的效能本院已經做了三大的一個方向改革了那麼第一個就是我們增加人力的部分委員的資料我這邊有比較新的"},{"start":675.573,"end":695.106,"text":"我們在113年增加16位少年調保官114就今年我們特別增加到54位所以總增加到70位這兩年113 114已經都到各地院去服務了"},{"start":695.626,"end":723.413,"text":"有70位同時呢我們將這個剛剛高風險高風險絕對不可以在遠古的調保官因為他很忙他又要調查又要保護所以我們要選出專來做這種高風險的保護官他叫保護官那他就停止去辦理調查案這是我們第二改革這是要分流嘛對 這個叫部分逐步分流這個是就篩選出來的高風險"},{"start":724.113,"end":742.38,"text":"好 現在時間關係 你是不是能夠把我們這樣子的相關的分工還有人力改善的計畫跟成果交一個書面報告給我們可以 那最後我跟委員補充一下我們委外人力的社工師 心理師 佐理研我們總共用這樣PIN82來密集"},{"start":744.361,"end":769.759,"text":"好 這個整個在書面報告跟我報告因為我最後再一點點時間齁 這個要請問副秘書長 這個我上一次會議也提過啦齁我們有關刑事案件的妥適良刑法齁這個之前有送進立法院來但是因為屆期不連續 現在就沒有再送了那這個 我看這個會議也就沒有了齁這有關刑事案件妥適良刑法那這個那時候我有我在我在這個"},{"start":771.98,"end":792.761,"text":"六月的時候有提 說希望你們半年的時間能夠提出報告 半年還沒到但是在今天的主題我要講的是說就算我們現在刑事案件妥適量刑法這是司法國事會議的共識這部分就算沒有通過 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