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這個政治溝通的角色不管是陸委會還是海基會現在第一看不出有什麼明確的分工第二重點是看不出成果如果今天兩岸的管道相對暢通有序今天省博安委員會不會發生因為有一個管道在為總體的風險進行降溫但現在是因為局勢不好"},{"start":393.573,"end":414.967,"text":"能了解委員講的管道我們過去跟對岸的各種溝通聯繫其實我們持續在維持維護著但是中國大陸他基於要我們先接受他的政治前提這個政治前提的框架裡面沒有中華民國生存的空間所以我們不會去答應他的政治前提"},{"start":415.487,"end":432.69,"text":"我們每次的民調主流民意也告訴我們不贊成我們接受中共的政治前提去跟中國大陸進行官方互動如果是這樣我今天沒有在談你官方互動是什麼因為中華民國的外交處境本來就很困難兩岸關係也非常複雜所以你手段要靈活所以我才問"},{"start":433.371,"end":448.045,"text":"你跟海基會怎麼分工有沒有跑位對不對是因為基於靈活嘛那靈活最後的結果我們都還是要看具體成果嘛那現在具體成果是我沒有講你一定什麼官式的互動或什麼東西你各式各樣的方法都可以但各式各樣的方法要降低兩岸的總體風險嘛"},{"start":449.947,"end":476.401,"text":"這當然也不純然是你們的責任啦畢竟這是路線的問題啊但客觀的現實我要在最後的時間我提醒一下邱主委羅秘書長吳董事長也都在聽沒有關係總體的風險升高代表的是雙邊溝通的失靈也代表中國大陸單邊主義的機會會增加他不會再管我們島內在想什麼不會再管我們國民的情感跟立場啦他會搞他自己的政治進程這件事是很危險的"},{"start":477.381,"end":490.039,"text":"像沈博洋委員的事情可能會越來越多所以我剛才花時間問你這個清單準備好了沒風險控管好了沒 相關名單準備好了沒國人要看到的是這個請陸委會 海基會都好好加油謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}